NFL Cover Zero: Radio Row Day 1- Terrell Davis, Mike Golic Sr., Shaun Alexander

Summary

NFL Cover Zero: Radio Row Day 1 – Terrell Davis, Mike Golic Sr., Shaun Alexander

Podcast: KSR (iHeartPodcasts & Sports Talk 790)
Date: February 5, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones, Drew Franklin, Billy
Special Guests: Terrell Davis, Mike Golic Sr., Stevie Johnson (impromptu), Shaun Alexander (mentioned)

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Episode Overview

Day one of NFL Cover Zero's live broadcast from Radio Row at Super Bowl 60 in San Francisco brings infectious energy and behind-the-scenes fun as Matt Jones, Drew Franklin, and Billy navigate their first experience in the media circus. The episode highlights chance celebrity encounters, Kentucky football nostalgia, and in-depth interviews with NFL legends Terrell Davis and Mike Golic Sr., along with surprise hijinks and reflections on life in sports media.

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Key Segments, Guests & Highlights

1. Arrival at Radio Row: Setting the Scene

Timestamps: 00:00–03:00

• Matt, Drew, and Billy soak in the buzz of Radio Row, sharing awe at the sheer scope: “Every major network, work every major person.” (Matt, 01:02)
• Immediate celebrity encounter: Drew nearly collides with Joe Flacco, setting the tone for constant star sightings.
  • “You were looking right. Joe was looking left. Neither one of you saw each other. And before we were 10 steps in the building, we almost had a collision with you and Joe Flacco.” (Drew, 01:39)
• Playful banter about “owning” their space: “He may be a Super Bowl champion, but we are on the podcast, walking around.” (Matt, 02:08)

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2. Unexpected Kentucky Glory: Stevie Johnson Drops In

Timestamps: 02:34–07:15

• NFL and UK legend Stevie Johnson spontaneously joins the show, reigniting memories of his iconic “Stevie Got Loose” moment in Kentucky football history.
• Emotional retelling of the play:
  • “It sparked everything for the Lexington community... The year before, we got dominated by Louisville... we had a chip on our shoulder.” (Stevie, 03:35)
  • Drew: “They asked me, ‘What’s your favorite UK game?’ ... I replied, stevie got loose as my number one.” (03:19)
• Stevie breaks into his legendary locker room rap, with the crew enthusiastically joining in:
  • “If you ain’t got that part, then your soul is weak meat for Wildcats. We about to get it popping like Joker from way back...” (Stevie, 05:27)
• Heartfelt appreciation from the hosts, with Drew calling it a bucket-list moment: “I'm not going to have a bucket list after this. We're just checking stuff off. Doing that halftime rap with Stevie Johnson...” (Drew, 07:31)

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3. Radio Row’s Electric Atmosphere & Star Power

Timestamps: 07:15–11:38

• Musings on seeing media names like Stephen A. Smith, and random encounters with celebrities and former players.
• Jokes about confusing Adam Devine and Adam Levine ("Kelvin Gemstone") and playfully imagining interactions with TV characters.
• Teaser of the guest lineup:
  • “Today on the show, we have a massive list of superstars coming on... Terrell Davis, Mike Golick senior and then Sean Alexander all joining.” (Matt, 09:33)

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4. Main Event – Interview with Terrell Davis (Pro Football Hall of Famer, Super Bowl MVP)

Timestamps: 14:37–23:22

On Football’s Toll and Super Bowl Memories

• Terrell candidly discusses the lingering pain from his playing days:
  • “I am feeling... a lot of the impact. I am paying my dues now.” (14:58)
• Comic takes on thrift and minimalism:
  • “Clothes is the number one. Food and clothes are the two biggest waste of money items.” (Terrell, 15:46)
  • Hosts riff about Terrell traveling “naked and not eating.”
• On Super Bowl nerves:
  • “The minute you go out in pregame, you realize quickly this is not a normal game... try to remind yourself, alright, man, we've done this... let's just stay in the moment.” (Terrell, 17:22, 18:11)

Life After Football & Identity

• “My kids don’t care [that I was Super Bowl MVP]...” (Terrell, 18:45)
• “I walk in them doors... I have to build some credibility amongst them in the house, which is weird.” (Terrell, 19:15)

On the NFL’s Changing Offenses

• Candid acknowledgment: “It wouldn’t have benefited me today... They don't— the run game is in a very expensive place [in the modern game].” (Terrell, 20:18)

Advocacy Work

• Raises awareness for Tardive Dyskinesia, a condition linked to some mental health medications:
  • “You're trying to treat one thing and you're getting this condition... just want to raise awareness.” (Terrell, 21:37)
  • TheOtherTD.com for more information.

Notable Terrell Davis Quotes

• “You eat right now. In two hours, you’re gonna be... what? You’re gonna have to eat again.” (16:12)
• “My kids don’t care. They don’t do things in the house that you ask them to do. They don’t care that you have a gold jacket.” (18:49)
• “The run game is... a very expensive thing to have - time wise, commitment, resources...” (20:20)

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5. Radio Legend Mike Golic Sr. Talks Mornings, Legacy, and Diabetes Innovation

Timestamps: 24:01–35:16

On Sports Radio and Family

• Classic Golic self-deprecation: “Is that a nice way of saying I’m old?” (Mike, 24:01)
• Matt shares first-day nerves at ESPN: “I broke Mike Golic’s chair on the Mike & Mike set.” (24:21)
• Morning show grind: “Alarm went off at 4:15 and I said a bad word...” (Mike, 25:12)
• The silver lining: “I was done for the day at 11 o’clock ... it did give me the opportunity to be a lunch dad...” (Mike, 25:52)
• Reflects on working with his son: “I try not to take it for granted... when the mic goes on, it's my kid there and we’re doing the show together.” (26:56)

Broadcasting Chemistry & Challenges

• Insights on on-air relationships: “If you disagree with something on air, you never take it off air.” (Mike, 27:44)
• Surviving tough show days: “That's when you start to do Mount Rushmore lists!” (Mike, 32:02)
• “You have to have chemistry... Greenie and I had it right out of the gate.” (Mike, 32:39)

Football Talk: Super Bowl 60

• Comments on Sam Darnold’s resurgence: “When you’re a high pick... you’re always going to get a chance somewhere.” (Mike, 28:43)
• Gives context to Patriots’ chances: “They have the ability to score, but they need a rock fight here. Their defense needs to step up...” (Mike, 30:29)

Diabetes & Tech Advocacy

• Mike discusses living with type 2 diabetes and new continuous glucose monitoring tech:
  • “Stello... a glucose biosensor you put on your arm... an app gives you real-time numbers on how you're doing...” (Mike, 33:25)
  • On eating habits post-NFL: “And I did eat the same for a while and I ballooned up to almost 320...” (Mike, 34:42)

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6. Post-Interview Reflections and Radio Row Hijinks

Timestamps: 35:35–44:43

• Hosts express surprise at how approachable and kind the NFL legends were. “Not that I expect anyone to be jerks, but everyone was, like, so nice...” (Drew, 36:02)
• Hilarious run-ins:
  • Drew mistaken for Jeff Saturday by Tony Dungy (“Tugging Tony” story): “Tony Dungy grabbed you by the jacket... the look of disappointment on his face.” (Matt, 37:08)
  • Awkward bathroom experience with Derrick Henry at the urinals: “I saw Derrick Henry walk through the restroom. The only three people at the urinals were me, Drew, and Derrick Henry.” (Matt, 39:00)
  • Drew: “Not down at an angle, up at an angle, and say, ‘oh my god, this is Derrick Henry’ - and just straight down, stare at the wall, don’t move.” (Drew, 41:06)
• Observations about the mix of celebrities, media types, and fans hoping for interviews; banter about “digital business cards” and Billy’s ambitious networking.

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7. Celebrity and Media People-Watching

Timestamps: 44:15–45:39

• Spotting random celebrities and famous media personalities, including the Workaholics crew and Dan Patrick show alumni.
• Jokes about sponsorships, “Bounty wingman” sweaters, and the oddity of big NFL partnerships.

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Notable Quotes

On the Super Bowl Atmosphere:
“You try to convince yourself it’s a normal game. The minute you go out in pregame, you realize quickly this is not a normal game.” — Terrell Davis (17:22)

On Football Life After Fame:
“They don’t care that you have a gold jacket.” — Terrell Davis (18:49)

On Radio Chemistry:
“If you disagree with something on air, you never take it off air. That's the same thing with my son.” — Mike Golic (27:44)

On Kentucky Football Lore:
“That sparked everything for the Lexington community... we had a chip on our shoulder.” — Stevie Johnson (03:35)

Bathroom Encounters:
“I did not think we would be touching elbows at the urinal would be...the moment I could see Drew’s face, him being like: I want to talk to Derrick Henry, but I'm not sure I can with urinal things happening.” — Matt Jones (39:00)

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Key Timestamps for Main Segments

• Arrival, First Impressions, Flacco encounter: 00:00–03:00
• Stevie Johnson drops by, Kentucky nostalgia & rap: 02:34–07:15
• Atmosphere: Media & celebrity sightings, set descriptions: 07:15–11:38
• Terrell Davis interview: 14:37–23:22
• Mike Golic Sr. interview: 24:01–35:16
• Wrap-up & Radio Row stories (Tony Dungy, Derrick Henry, media antics): 35:35–45:39

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Tone & Style

The episode is joyful, irreverent, and unfiltered, full of “fanboy” moments but also sharply insightful about football, broadcasting, and the surreal nature of Super Bowl week. The hosts’ Kentucky pride and genuine awe at the NFL spectacle bring a relatable, humorous edge.

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For Listeners

If you crave a dose of unvarnished Super Bowl atmosphere—celebrity collisions, old-school UK football memories, radio industry tales, and candid moments from gridiron legends—this episode is a fun, heartfelt, and star-studded listen.

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Recommended Segment:
Start at [14:37] for the full Terrell Davis interview—funny, deep, and illuminating on both the past and present NFL. Don’t miss the Stevie Johnson impromptu reunion and rap at [05:27].

Transcript

[Drew Franklin]

This is an iheart podcast. Guaranteed human.

[Matt Jones]

NFL cover zero with matt jones and drew franklin is a production of the NFL and iheart podcast. Welcome, everybody. It is NFL Cover 0, and we are live from Radio Roll at the super bowl, Super Bowl 60 in San Francisco. To tell you, I never thought that I would be at the Super Bowl. And not only are we here, we are here with the NFL, and it is a surreal scene. If you've never been to Radio Row, basically every media outlet you can think of is here with the biggest names in the sport all over the country, all over the world. I'm looking right now at something called the Irish NFL show, which is a group of people from Ireland that do a show.

[Drew Franklin]

Nice.

[Matt Jones]

Every major network, work every major person. And Drew, me, you, and Billy as well. What a cool day. And really looking forward to what's to come.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, we're just getting started, and I've already had the time of my life. I mean, we haven't even been here 24 hours, and if we just got on a plane right now and went home, I would be like, that trip was amazing. That was awesome. And we haven't even scratched the surface of what we're going to be doing yet.

[Matt Jones]

We.

[Drew Franklin]

We haven't even been in the building that long.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, it has been. Well, let's just start with when we walked in the door. We walked in the door immediately, and you said, I almost knocked out Joe Flacco.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't think so. You were looking right. Joe was looking left. Neither one of you saw each other. And before we were 10 steps in the building, we almost had a collision with you and Joe Flacco. But it set the tone for the celebrity sightings we'd see every couple.

[Matt Jones]

Joe Flacco needs to watch himself.

[Drew Franklin]

You would have lost. He was a lot taller than I.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I knew he is a lot tall.

[Drew Franklin]

That's a big dude.

[Matt Jones]

Nice, handsome jawline. Yeah. His kids with him.

[Drew Franklin]

So you almost trampled one.

[Matt Jones]

The boys trample the kids. But Joe Flacco has to learn. This is NFL Cover Zero, right?

[Terrell Davis]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

You're locked in.

[Matt Jones]

He may be a Super bowl champion, but we are on the podcast, walking around.

[Drew Franklin]

Have you seen a Joe Flacco set? No, but I've seen a Cover Zero set. So you're in our world, Joe.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. Right now we're sitting here and we're kind of looking out onto the.

[Mike Golic]

To the world.

[Matt Jones]

You just said just to give an example of what you might see.

[Mike Golic]

See here.

[Matt Jones]

Like you were just saying. That was Sean Merriman.

[Mike Golic]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Lights out. I hit him with the dance.

[Matt Jones]

There's a Buffalo Bills. That. That's probably a Bills player, I would assume.

[Drew Franklin]

Stevie Johnson.

[Matt Jones]

Stevie got loose. Stevie got loose in the building. He's here. He got loose. Can you gotta pop off for a second, Stevie. Wildcats. Go Cats. What's up, bud? Joining us out of nowhere, the man, the myth, the Kentucky and the Buffalo Bills legend, Stevie Johnson. My man. Stevie got loose. How you doing, guys?

[Stevie Johnson]

My guys. Hey.

[Mike Golic]

I love it.

[Stevie Johnson]

I love. I saw the wings up, I saw the blue cap, and I was like, nah, it's got to be family. So I love it that we got to connect right here.

[Matt Jones]

You have to understand, Drew. Drew knows this. This dude. Is it the most famous catch in modern UK football history?

[Drew Franklin]

Stevie, just 24 hours ago, someone asked me, what's your favorite UK game of all time? They didn't say basketball, football. They said game. And I replied, stevie got loose as my number one.

[Matt Jones]

I think it's the best. I think it's the most exciting UK football moment of my lifetime.

[Stevie Johnson]

And mine's also. I mean, that sparked everything, you know, that sparked everything for the Lexington community, I would say, because as you know, the year before, we got dominated by Louisville. Yes, they dominated.

[Matt Jones]

And they were big favorites coming into that game.

[Stevie Johnson]

Huge. Yeah, they were huge favorites. So we had a chip on our shoulder. You know, we had the community and Commonwealth at our back. And yeah, we. Stevie got loose.

[Matt Jones]

How did you get loose?

[Stevie Johnson]

Well, I actually seen it the play before, so the play before that, it was a penalty, I believe, and the guys wasn't covering me. The safety stayed on Jacob, Tammy, and we ran four verts, and I went back to her. I said, dre is there. Just look at me. I'm telling you, it's there. So we got the penalty. Nobody was worried about the penalty.

[Matt Jones]

Penalty was on Jar. No, not Jeremy Scott.

[Terrell Davis]

Yes.

[Stevie Johnson]

And nobody was up, was upset at East Scott either, because he was protecting Drake.

[Matt Jones]

I was upset. Yeah. Yeah.

[Stevie Johnson]

I know everybody else, but I mean, like, us on the team in that huddle, we knew. We was like, oh, it's all good. And the playmakers, we knew. So then I, like I told you, I told Dre, we went back out there, and they did the exact same coverage, and it was. It was money.

[Matt Jones]

That is the loudest I ever remember Commonwealth Stadium being.

[Stevie Johnson]

Stadium was shaking. I, I, I felt like it was. It was shaking. And the only time I felt that was my first 100 yard game against Arkansas with McFadden.

[Matt Jones]

And that was a great Game, too. That was a great game. Now when you scored, we win the game, and then it has become like your thing in Lexington. Stevie got loose. It started from us because one of my drunk friends was in the parking lot, and he goes, man, Jones, Stevie got loose. And then we just went with it.

[Stevie Johnson]

Yo, that's. That's amazing to hear that story and to be here with you all today, you know? Yeah, it's pretty special.

[Drew Franklin]

There's one more thing you left behind, Alexa. Not just Stevie got loose before big games, I still turn on the locker room rap. It's about hustle and heart.

[Stevie Johnson]

Power, respect.

[Terrell Davis]

There it is.

[Stevie Johnson]

Hustle and heart. Dedication is a must. If you ain't got that part, then your soul is weak. Meet for Wildcats. We about to get it popping like Joker from way back. It's way more than touchdown sacks and field goals, y'.

[Drew Franklin]

All.

[Stevie Johnson]

We gotta study, do our work and live strong. UK will live on. But, yeah, we here. It's our turn. We about to take over for this year. Yeah, we got the whole town yelling, big blue. It's true. I've heard baby yelling, this, too. Oh, boy. Uk, let's make some noise. Let's break these boys and have our crowd jump for joy. It ain't just about putting on this white and blue. If one fight, then we all start fighting, too. We like a crew. Better yet, call us a fam. There's no eyes on this team because we all the man now. Let's go.

[Terrell Davis]

Let's play mobile right now.

[Matt Jones]

Let's play mobile down 20 years, the world.

[Stevie Johnson]

It's ingrained. It's ingrained.

[Matt Jones]

Before you get out of here, I know you got to go. I also got to say, you got the ball. The catch in the LSU game, too. Yeah.

[Stevie Johnson]

We don't even think about that.

[Matt Jones]

People don't think about over time.

[Stevie Johnson]

Yeah, and something interesting about that. So I had that same play the year before again in Death Valley, and Xenon stopped it, and he said, you.

[Matt Jones]

Ain'T getting inch, inch.

[Stevie Johnson]

And I couldn't say nothing. I can't say nothing like respect. Y' all blowing us out. Ball thrown out of bounds. Year after, I remembered that maybe that.

[Matt Jones]

Dickey lines got that game. He knocked. Dicky said hello to his friend, right?

[Stevie Johnson]

Shout out to 12. That's my guy. I'll be seeing him in a couple of weeks. He's coming out to San Diego, and I'mma let him hear this.

[Matt Jones]

Man.

[Stevie Johnson]

Big shout out to that Stevie.

[Matt Jones]

It's great to see you, man. Great to see you. You're looking great. Stevie Johnson just randomly popping in.

[Stevie Johnson]

Wings up. Stevie got loose Wings BBN for life. Hey, shout out. Ray Davis, Dion W. And Mad Max out there in the Buffalo Bills. Let's go.

[Matt Jones]

Let's go. Well, that was completely raising. See, that's what happens on. On Radio Row. You can just see Stevie Johnson and he can rap like it was 2007. For those of you that are not Kentucky fans, you're going to be like, what in the world was that? Who cares?

[Drew Franklin]

That was happy.

[Terrell Davis]

I am.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm not going to have a bucket list after this. We're just checking stuff off. Doing that halftime rap with Stevie Johnson, that.

[Matt Jones]

That's how you remember those words.

[Drew Franklin]

I sing it regularly. Like, to this day, I still sing it. That's why that was so cool, him doing it. Also, not to be weird, I have a framed picture of him in my office. You know, just a big Stevie Johnson fan. Let me look at a picture of.

[Stevie Johnson]

Him in the office.

[Drew Franklin]

That game is number one on my every. They played at night. Saturday night. I started tailgating Friday at noon in the parking lot and went straight through tailgating all the way to that game. We get the ending we got against Louisville. For a Kentucky fan, Stevie getting loose, it doesn't get better than that.

[Matt Jones]

I hope people who are not UK fans enjoyed that. But if you didn't, I'm sorry. I don't care because that made me so happy to see Steve. But our point was what Radio Row is. That's it right there. You got to hear it. Naturally.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Bill's legend. I'm sure a lot of NFL people know him, but we know him twofold with the Kentucky connection. You're wearing the UK hat, and from a distance, I saw him kind of glancing and I hit him with his touchdown celebration, and he just sprinted over here.

[Matt Jones]

He knew we were legit. I don't think. I don't think he had time, Billy, to be here. But it didn't matter. He did it anyway.

[Billy]

He ripped off the buffalo hat and then he had a Kentucky State hat, like, on already to ready to go.

[Matt Jones]

That was great. So this is an awesome, awesome environment. Awesome place. You there are. Literally everyone's there. Stephen A. Smith's doing his radio show right down there where we should probably pop in and say hello to him. I'm sure he'd want that.

[Terrell Davis]

Well, he.

[Drew Franklin]

I think he's waiting for us to get over there. We'll get there in a minute. Stephen A.

[Matt Jones]

We had the other Stevie. He's a lot better. No offense to You, Stephen A. So, so we're here for the next three days. We're going to be doing a Super bowl preview. Yeah, kind of. I mean we're, we're excited about the super bowl, but we're gonna be talking to people today. Just today on the show we have a massive list of superstars coming on.

[Drew Franklin]

Incredible. The fact that we're leading off with a two time super bowl winner with a Super bowl mvp, a Hall of Famer, gold jacket.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Then Mike Golick senior and then Sean Alexander all joining the show today. That's a pretty good guess.

[Drew Franklin]

That's not small time names. I thought us being new, kind of, not kind of. The rookies around here still getting our feet underneath this. I thought they would just send us like the third string kicker from the Vikings.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, no.

[Drew Franklin]

Terrell Davis right out of the game.

[Matt Jones]

Big time players, Terrell Davis, Mike Golic and Sean Alexander. And so people understand, they come through. Now you're gonna hear because we're gonna leave this set we're on. And by this set, this table that we're sitting at, that Billy put together. Billy, did you put this table together?

[Billy]

I, I got the equipment working on.

[Matt Jones]

The table and this equipment Billy has is from I think 2006. Okay. So you're going to hear this and you're going to be like, that sounds like 2006. But then we're going to be moving here in just a moment to another set, which is the official NFL set, where I'm going to guess the microphones sound better and the interviews sound crisper. But just so you know, it's almost like a metaphorical transition in life from us as podcasters to us as NFL hosts.

[Drew Franklin]

In the emails we've been getting, they mentioned a set. One even said the chairs are comfy. I didn't know it was gonna be branded with our names on the stage.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't know that Adam Levine was gonna be sitting over there.

[Mike Golic]

That's.

[Matt Jones]

That's Kelvin gemstone.

[Billy]

They got two sets.

[Drew Franklin]

Adam Levine is Maroon 5, right?

[Matt Jones]

Did I say Adam Levine?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he could be here.

[Matt Jones]

Adam Devine.

[Drew Franklin]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

That's kind of like Adam Levine.

[Drew Franklin]

Maybe Adam Levine's here too.

[Matt Jones]

I call him Kelvin Gemstone.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, let's call him by his real name, Kelvin.

[Matt Jones]

I do think when I walked up to him and started and I said, I love your show is my favorite show. I, I'm not sure he thought.

[Mike Golic]

Knew.

[Matt Jones]

I think he thought I meant the.

[Drew Franklin]

Workaholics with the word.

[Matt Jones]

I was talking about the righteous gemstones. Because then I said, you know, Keith. And he looked at me like, but he still took a nice picture with us.

[Drew Franklin]

I thought for sure you were going to sing a baby Billy verse to him. And I was so excited. I didn't know in that moment if you were ready.

[Matt Jones]

I will tell you, if Walton Goggins walked up here, we'd be misbehaving. I'd be running around, I'd be running around the house with a pickle in my mouth.

[Drew Franklin]

That will get us kicked out of here.

[Matt Jones]

What? Terrell Davis and I are going to run around with the, with a pickle in our mouth. But so we are going to, we're going to do these interviews and then we will come back and sort of talk about the latest news and all that. So get ready. Terrell. David, there's, there's Sean Alexander. He's going to be coming back with us in just a few minutes. Terrell Davis, Mike Golick and Sean Alexander. And then more as we are live here in San Francisco. Live to us, not to you. Listening. This is the NFL Cover zero. Let's go ahead. Let's get started with td. You know, Super Bowl 60 deserves a sports book built for the moment, the Draft King Sportsbook. We are an official sports betting partner of Super Bowl 60 and we put you right in the center of the biggest game of the year. And when anything can happen during the Super Bowl, DraftKings has your back with the early exit player goes down the first half. Don't worry, you'll get paid out in cash immediately once your bet settles. No bonus bets, no waiting. Now, Drew at Seattle and New England. I'm feeling a big Darnold game in Seattle. Covering. Where are you? I ain't close. Game.

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[Drew Franklin]

We're ready to go.

[Matt Jones]

And how about starting with a hall of famer and a Super bowl champion. Terrell Davis, When I watched you run, I used to think, football seems to hurt. I don't want to play because if I had to hit that man, I would not be able to walk after. It is an honor to have you sitting here with us.

[Terrell Davis]

Well, I appreciate it. I don't know what I did. Football does hurt.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, does it hurt now?

[Terrell Davis]

It. Well, I am feeling a little. No, not a little bit. A lot of the. The impact. I am paying my dues now, but you look like you pay my dues.

[Matt Jones]

Still play.

[Terrell Davis]

I have to say no. I. I appreciate that. Thank you very much.

[Matt Jones]

And did you intentionally match there with the cord?

[Terrell Davis]

Look at this, my man. What? But I think you. He's got a nice. He has a nicer zipper on his.

[Matt Jones]

Well, his is reversible.

[Billy]

Reversible, too. His is reversible.

[Matt Jones]

We think that's kind of lame. Do you like the reversible thing, Terrell? You can decide.

[Billy]

You can say no, it's all right.

[Terrell Davis]

I mean, I like the two for one, brother. I like the. I like shoot. I mean, you think about his packing, right? His packing is a little lighter, man. That's exactly two for one.

[Mike Golic]

I like that.

[Matt Jones]

That's exactly what he thought.

[Terrell Davis]

I believe in, you know, buying clothes anyways. That's a waste of money, man.

[Matt Jones]

Waste of money. Oh, clothes.

[Terrell Davis]

Clothes is the number one. Food and clothes are the two biggest waste of money items.

[Matt Jones]

Food is a waste of money.

[Terrell Davis]

Big time.

[Matt Jones]

What would you use money for?

[Terrell Davis]

Not food and clothes. So what A travel. Okay, travel, Right?

[Matt Jones]

But when you get there, you're not gonna eat golf.

[Drew Franklin]

You're going naked, not eating.

[Matt Jones]

No no. Yeah. Terrell Davis travels naked and doesn't eat.

[Terrell Davis]

I don't need to eat. The problem with eating is you eat. So you eat right now. In two hours, you're gonna be. What?

[Matt Jones]

You're gonna have to eat again.

[Terrell Davis]

Exactly. So what you do, just waste $400 on a. On some. On some. On a steak.

[Matt Jones]

That's an interesting theory. I mean, that's also true.

[Terrell Davis]

You always have to keep feeding it.

[Matt Jones]

I know.

[Terrell Davis]

There is no content. It's like.

[Matt Jones]

But that is kind of how.

[Terrell Davis]

So you look up and you're like, man, I just spent $6,000. I'm still hungry, by the way, that.

[Matt Jones]

Is kind of how all forms of life have sustained themselves over the years.

[Terrell Davis]

I'm just saying, man, like, you really think about it. Food is the biggest waste of money.

[Drew Franklin]

I didn't have him go with the fasting take, but, you know, I support it.

[Matt Jones]

Terrell, it's great to see you here. Do you. What do you think of. I mean, you played in these Super Bowls when you see something like this, what do you think of this entire media radio row experience?

[Terrell Davis]

I love it. I love it, man. I see the Super Bowl 32 banner right there on the side. That brings back memories. I'm from San Diego in the plan. My first super bowl in San Diego. So that was. That was an experience that I just couldn't have dreamed of. And we won the game, which made.

[Matt Jones]

It even better field for that first game. I mean, there has to be a moment. Are you sitting there thinking about all the things that got you there, or are you just locked in totally on the game?

[Terrell Davis]

You tr. All right, they tell you that it's a normal game, or you try to convince yourself it's a normal game, but the minute you go out in pregame, you realize quickly this is not a normal game. And so you're. What you try to do is try to look for familiar things to bring your breathing down and just try to make yourself comfortable. So I was able to go out there and just like, hey, man, the field is still a hundred yards. Like, start looking for things that I was familiar with. You know, they only have 11 guys on defense. Nothing's different about those things.

[Matt Jones]

Once it starts, are you able to.

[Terrell Davis]

Block all that out then? Yeah, once it starts. But it's the pregame because you see all the media credentials. You see, you know, the. The blimp. You see, like, I mean, the colors, the different. I mean, the sidelines are packed with like 40, 50 different national, you know, nations and TVs so it's. It's.

[Mike Golic]

It's.

[Terrell Davis]

And then celebrities are all over the place. You see it. And so then once you. You come between the lines, you try to remind yourself, all right, man, we've done this for, I don't know, what, 18 weeks, man. It's the same thing. Let's just. Let's just stay. Let's just stay in the moment and just look at this thing play by play and then worry about situations as they come up.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, that moment worked out for you twice. And once you were the mvp. How much now, further on in life, does being a Super bowl champion and that honor kind of take on your identity and really be who you are?

[Mike Golic]

Does that carry with you?

[Drew Franklin]

Being a Super bowl champ add another. Another layer?

[Terrell Davis]

Nobody cares. My kids don't care. So. So here's.

[Matt Jones]

You're still a lame dad.

[Terrell Davis]

Exactly. So here's what I realized, that none of that stuff even matters, man. When you have kids and they get older.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Terrell Davis]

And they don't respect you. They don't do things in the house that you ask them to do. They don't care that you have a gold jacket.

[Matt Jones]

They don't care. So if they don't clean up after themselves, you're not like, look, I won a Super bowl mvp. I played with John Elway, and I won the mvp. They don't get.

[Terrell Davis]

They don't. They. They don't care.

[Matt Jones]

You still.

[Terrell Davis]

They don't care. I leave the house, man, I got people that, hey, great, super bowl, mvp, td. Can we do this? I walk in them doors and it's like, I have to try to establish myself as, you know, I have to build some credibility amongst them in the house, which is weird. The other thing, too, is this time of the year, which is cool. And so when they put a stat on tv, we're watching the super bowl or something, they might put up a stat that says, hey, most rushing yards since Terrell Davis. Or their short chart. And that's when I get a chance to be like, see, I told you guys. You see that right there? I was. I will pause it. You know, take a picture of it.

[Drew Franklin]

Start saluting them, teaching them the salute.

[Terrell Davis]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But then they go like, dad. Well, you were no Derek Henry. You know what? Derek Henry would have kicked your tail.

[Terrell Davis]

Yeah. Like when Saquon broke my record last year.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Terrell Davis]

They were giving me some trouble.

[Matt Jones]

NFL's changed since you were in the league, just in terms of how offensives, offenses run. Like, I mean, it is a lot more fast paced, a lot more throwing what do you think? A player like you, if you played today, how does that go?

[Terrell Davis]

It wouldn't have benefited me today.

[Matt Jones]

It would not.

[Terrell Davis]

No. I wouldn't have had a. I wouldn't have had an opportunity really to carve my niche in today's football. And let me explain. They don't. The run game is, is in a very, it's a, it is a very expensive thing to have time wise, you know, commitment, you know, resources to the running game. And you don't. You need to hit, you need to, you need to physically go out there and hit. You need to be able to see timing and mesh points and stuff. The league only you have a limited amount of practices, a limited amount of padded practices. You, you have to simulate things. You have to do a walk through when you have a run game. And that's not how we built a run game.

[Matt Jones]

I like that you though. I, I appreciate that about you, that you're actually like, honest and going, look, my style was for my era.

[Terrell Davis]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And this is a different era. I feel like you would have found a way to get yourself on the field though, and contribute.

[Terrell Davis]

Yeah, I'm a football player.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you were.

[Terrell Davis]

You would. I'm gonna find a way to. But it wouldn't have been as a scat back. I might have been, I don't know, safety. A definite Derrick Henry.

[Matt Jones]

Now let me ask you about the other td.com.

[Terrell Davis]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You always, when you were playing, people would say, td touchdown. Terrell Day. Terrell Davis. What about this? T. This is sort of a disorder, an issue that you have strong feelings about.

[Terrell Davis]

I do, man. It's. It's called tartar dyskinesia. And what it is, it's. It's basically a chronic condition that is caused by taking certain prescription mental health medications. And so normally it's like an antipsychotic or antidepressant that can cause really uncontrollable movements in your face, your hands, your toes and your torso. And so you're trying to treat one thing and you're getting this sort of condition that's coming and a lot of people don't even know it. And so for me, I've. I've experienced my own mental health and chronic conditions. I know for me medication was an option. And so I can imagine being there and having these movements and not knowing what to do. So I just want to raise awareness, use my platform and raise awareness to people who. Out there who are experiencing this condition while taking certain prescription mental health medication. If. And if that's the case, please go to theothertd.com or consult your healthcare. Healthcare professional.

[Matt Jones]

What's. How do I pronounce the td?

[Terrell Davis]

Tardive.

[Matt Jones]

Tardive.

[Terrell Davis]

Tardive. Dyskinesia.

[Matt Jones]

Dyskinesia. Well done.

[Terrell Davis]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Terrell, you've been a lot of fun. And I have to tell you, you're the first person I've ever met to take the position of, I want no food. I don't think we need it.

[Terrell Davis]

I said. Nobody said, I want food. I want food. What?

[Matt Jones]

You want to pay for free food?

[Terrell Davis]

No, no, no, that's not true. What I'm saying is, I'll take. All right, for example, I'll go to Chipotle and get a $13 bowl while you go across the street and pay $200 for a meal.

[Matt Jones]

So you want the Chipotle.

[Terrell Davis]

We are both gonna be full, and in two hours, we both are gonna be hungry. Right?

[Matt Jones]

Okay, it makes sense.

[Terrell Davis]

200 bucks.

[Matt Jones]

I spent $13, so you're gonna spend the 13. You damn right. That's my man spending the $13. Terrell Davis, thank you very much. All right. I'm a sucker for people who know radio. And when you think radio, this man is it. Mike Golic does shows, has done shows for years, and is a radio pro. Mike, thank you very much for joining us.

[Mike Golic]

Oh, my pleasure. Is that a nice way of saying I'm old?

[Matt Jones]

No. Well, let me tell you. And I have a history, so I've worked at ESPN radio for eight years. First day, they flew me up to Bristol. I do Sunday mornings, right, Dan? I used to do it with my. I do admire Metcalf used to do it. Dan Orlovsky.

[Mike Golic]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Jones]

They would put us in your old Mike and Mike studio.

[Mike Golic]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

First day I get there, I sit down, and as soon as I sit there, the chair breaks. Like as soon as I sit down and it's the chair you usually would sit in.

[Mike Golic]

I thought you were gonna say there was like a half eaten donut there or something.

[Matt Jones]

No. Although I did sometimes see your leftover food there. But I would sit in your chair on Sunday mornings. And when that chair kind of broke, they were like, mike's not gonna like that. And I was. I go, well, do you want me to? I got freaked out. Cause it was my first day at espn. I was like, I don't wanna upset Mike Gollick.

[Mike Golic]

What are they trying to put the.

[Matt Jones]

Fear of coming back. I think they were. I think they were messing with me. So I've always had that. I Broke Mike Golick's chair on the mic and Mike said, I won.

[Mike Golic]

I had never really worked after all.

[Drew Franklin]

Right, you can break that chair right there if you want to get even. Smash that on the ground.

[Matt Jones]

We were talking about this the other day. You did morning radio 6 to 10, is that right? How did you get up like that every day?

[Mike Golic]

I swore every morning the alarm went off at 4:15 and I said a bad word and then I would get to work by 5. And you know, you guys know the day just starts. You know, you're, you're looking at notes, you're, you're going over highlights, you're, you're getting ready for the. Especially when the show went on TV as well and you had to deal with highlights as well. You just start to get caught up in it. And the great thing was was I was done at the show, was done at 10. I was done for the day at 11 o'.

[Drew Franklin]

Clock.

[Matt Jones]

What time do you have to go to bed though?

[Mike Golic]

I. And you had to go to bed early and, and watching Monday Night Football was tough. I would get up the next morning and watch the compressed highlights.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Mike Golic]

Of it. To try and get caught up because you'd have to go to bed early. But it did give me the opportunity to be a lunch dad at my kids school and coach them and all their little league stuff which was like in the late afternoon and I was, I was home by 11 o' clock every day. So there were some pros, but the cons is I lost out on about 10 years of sleep.

[Matt Jones]

The thing we get this list, Mike, of all the people that are going to be here that we're going to be interviewing and our man Billy next there, he got the most excited when he saw Mike Gold. He really did.

[Mike Golic]

He was like, was it me or for my son Mike?

[Billy]

No, no, for you.

[Matt Jones]

For you.

[Billy]

It was you I was listening to in the mornings. I was working on golf courses.

[Matt Jones]

When you were a kid?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, when I was a kid, yeah.

[Billy]

You're doing Mike and Mike.

[Matt Jones]

See, I wasn't going to do that to you. He's doing it to you. How you, you were like, you were like seven, right?

[Billy]

No, no, I was like 15. 16 is my first job. I was mowing rough at a golf course and I'd listen to Mike and.

[Drew Franklin]

Mike because it was an early job so you had to get up.

[Billy]

So it's a pinch me moment to be here with you, Michael.

[Mike Golic]

Oh, I appreciate that.

[Billy]

But I want to ask you how rewarding was it to be to do this with your son for him to get in the industry. I mean, was that it mean a lot to you?

[Mike Golic]

It's very. Yes. Yeah. I probably would not be doing a show every day if unless it was with my son. I would probably do and be more, more part time stuff. Calling games for Westwood One, which I've been doing for a few years. But I, I, I try not to take it for granted that when the mic goes on, it's my kid there and we're doing the show together. I would like him to respect me a little more and bend at the knee.

[Matt Jones]

Do you all fight a lot?

[Mike Golic]

But we disagree more than I thought. He has, oddly enough, he has his own thoughts and he expresses them well.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you're used to that. No, I am. You and Greenberg sometimes did that as well.

[Mike Golic]

And I live by the same credo I did did with Greenie and actually Tony Bruno was the first co host I had is if you disagree with something on air, you never take it off air.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Mike Golic]

That's the same thing with my son. We could disagree with things on air, but there's no reason to take it off air.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't know you worked with Tony Bruno.

[Mike Golic]

Tony Bruno was actually the first one at ESPN Radio.

[Matt Jones]

You should tell that guy to have an opinion now. He doesn't.

[Mike Golic]

He struggles, doesn't he? I was working with him for a year. I showed up one day and he was gone. And I'm like, oh my God, what do I do now?

[Matt Jones]

He was just gone.

[Mike Golic]

He was gone.

[Matt Jones]

And they didn't tell you?

[Mike Golic]

No. Oh, he did.

[Matt Jones]

He didn't tell espn. Oh, he just left?

[Mike Golic]

No, he just left. He was gone. And that was in October of 99. It took three months of me working with, with potential new co host before it was Greeny.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. All right, so let's talk about this football game. You got Seahawks, Patriots. I've said that. You don't see stories like Sam Darnold in football. I wonder if Sam Darnold story says, hey, there's a lot of guys that could be good if they got with the right team out of, out of.

[Mike Golic]

College and if they got a chance. One of the reasons he is where he is because he was the number three pick overall. You are always going to get a chance somewhere. If he was a fifth rounder, he'd have been done. He'd have been out of the league once he failed at a couple of spots, he'd have been, he'd have had to have another job. But when you're a high pick because that money was invested in you. You're going to get a chance somewhere. And to his credit, he is, he has overcome and he is playing extremely good ball.

[Drew Franklin]

And on the other side with New England, there's another throwaway. I'm a Titans fan and seeing Mike Vrabel success is killing me. How bad did we mess up in Tennessee?

[Mike Golic]

Oh, you messed up.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I know.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm wearing Titan shirt right now.

[Matt Jones]

It hurts me. Just.

[Drew Franklin]

Mike Vrabel is my peloton name. It's Bike Vrabel. I love Mike Vrabel so much.

[Matt Jones]

Your peloton name is Bike Vrabel. I'm so conflicted.

[Mike Golic]

All right. I'm a little scared.

[Drew Franklin]

His happiness and my, my, and sadness because I, I mean I'm, I want him to do well, but I know we, we messed up bad.

[Mike Golic]

Yeah, yeah. There's var, you know, there's, I know. I'm a little worried about. All right.

[Drew Franklin]

People think I'm him actually. He's got terrible stats on there.

[Mike Golic]

Yeah. Yeah. A four minute ride. I, I, I'm amazed at the lack of patience. Obviously not like a Pittsburgh Steelers or Baltimore with the two coaches they lost at 19 and 18 years, but it, it does amaze me how quickly you give up and think the grass is going to be greener somewhere else. Sometimes it is, right? Sometimes guys get a head coaching job and they're not supposed to be head coaches.

[Matt Jones]

But he clearly is a head coach with this game. I mean, it seems like most people just assume the Seahawks are going to win. You know, the Patriots, I think they have a very good shot. And I think Drake May has not played well in the playoffs but had such a great season. I could totally see. I think people are too quick to dismiss their chances, don't you?

[Mike Golic]

Well, I mean, he just has to hang on to the ball. Too many fumbles. He had fumbles in the regular season as well. He runs the ball. Well. I called the Denver New England game where the second half became a muted offense because of the snow, and he did. He basically won it with his legs. Was very impressive with his legs as far as throwing the ball. He's got obviously Stefan Diggs, Hunter Henry, but I don't worry as much about him as I praise the Seattle defense. The Seattle defense is stifling. They are they. But now remember this New England offense averaged about 29 points a game during the regular season. They have the ability to score, but they need a rock fight here. They need it to be a low scoring game and their defense needs to Step up as well, which is a very good defense, by the way. In New England, they get shortchanged a little bit in the postseason because New England faced some more. Some of the top defenses in the postseason.

[Matt Jones]

We're obviously here on podcast, but I do want you to talk for a second about doing live radio four hours a day. In my opinion, that's the hardest thing to do in sports. To sit there because you can't, like, hide.

[Mike Golic]

No.

[Matt Jones]

You know what I mean? You can't, like, throw to graphics.

[Mike Golic]

No.

[Matt Jones]

Like, it is. You just have to go. And if there's nothing to talk about, you got to talk anyway.

[Mike Golic]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, there are. Especially out of the football season, as you guys would know, it gets a little more difficult. June, July can be a little difficult. That's when you start to do Mount Rushmore lists.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, my goodness. You know, you get a million of those.

[Mike Golic]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But miss Bristol.

[Mike Golic]

No, I don't really miss Bristol. I miss ESPN and the setup there, but I don't really miss Bristol. But to your point, it can be damning when you. When you have a guest and the guest flakes on you.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, my God. Or when you have a guest, they don't have anything to say.

[Mike Golic]

And they have nothing to say. It's exactly right. It could get. It can. Especially for four hours. You're looking. There are days. There are many days. Listen, I did it for so long where you look at your watch and you're going, oh, my God, I got three and a half hours.

[Matt Jones]

Is doing a show with one person four hours a day. Is it like a marriage?

[Mike Golic]

Well, I mean, you have to have a connection. You have to have chemistry. And Greenie and I had it right, right out of the gate. We had really good chemistry. Yeah, There has to be that. There. There has to be. It's kind of like. It's kind of like in the booth. Do a game, TV or radio. You got to kind of have chemistry with the play by play guy. And to make it more conversational, like. And not just you talk. You talk, you talk, you talk. Same in radio. It can't just be the one person talking, then the next person talk. You have to be in a.

[Matt Jones]

You have to be. I did my first play by play game this year for ESPN Radio.

[Mike Golic]

Dude, it's hard, isn't it? Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I thought you all. I thought all you all were idiots that did it. I'm like, how are these people?

[Mike Golic]

Oh, man.

[Matt Jones]

It's the hardest thing ever. Now you're here on behalf of Stello Tell me about that. Yes.

[Mike Golic]

So I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 20 years ago. And back then you basically ate your meal, pricked your finger with a blood test and decided, saw what your numbers were and tried to go from there. Now it's modern technology. Stello is a glucose bio sensor that you put on your arm. You can get it over the counter, you don't need a prescription for it, and get it off Amazon. And you have an app with it and it gives you real time numbers of how you're doing, you know, how, how sleep affects your glucose levels, how workouts do, how food does. And now in a couple of months, they're coming up with a, a smart food logging. You're going to be able to take a picture of your meal and it will give you all the info on your meal so you know how many carbs you have, how many sugar.

[Matt Jones]

Take a picture. Take a picture and it'll tell you how good or bad it is for you.

[Mike Golic]

It'll tell you, give.

[Matt Jones]

You can't do that. That would make me sad.

[Mike Golic]

I know.

[Matt Jones]

But for.

[Mike Golic]

I know. But it also may help you eat. Right.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. No.

[Mike Golic]

So again, Stello is for type 2 diabetics, prediabetes, and just those that are in the wellness center want to know, feel, want to know what their numbers are. And now you get up to the, up to the date numbers.

[Matt Jones]

You look great.

[Mike Golic]

I feel great.

[Matt Jones]

I know for football players sometimes it's hard because when you get done, you're used to all that working out. You can't eat the same.

[Mike Golic]

And I did eat the same for a while and I ballooned up to almost 320. I looked like a vanilla milkshake. It was horrible. And then a few years after I was done playing, I was diagnosed with type 2 and I knew I had to change my ways. My eating and Stello and.

[Matt Jones]

And now do you just like walk around with your shirt off like you look at me?

[Mike Golic]

Not, not yet. I'm. I would love to be able to walk around with no shirt on, but I can't do that just yet. I don't know if I'll ever be able to do that.

[Matt Jones]

Well, Billy just did it around here a few minutes ago.

[Mike Golic]

That's a little. That's a little.

[Drew Franklin]

Next year, Super Bowl 61, we'll be looking for it.

[Matt Jones]

Mike, thank you very much for your time and we appreciate it.

[Mike Golic]

You got it.

[Matt Jones]

So there you go. Three big time interviews. Drew. I'm kind of surprised, like, how easy it is to, to talk to Those guys. We're off the main set now. They've.

[Mike Golic]

They've.

[Terrell Davis]

They've.

[Matt Jones]

They've kicked us off for another show.

[Drew Franklin]

We're back to Billy Set.

[Matt Jones]

We're back to Billy Set. I don't know what the sound differential is, but you can. You can tell. We're now back to 2006, and I enjoyed it. I really like Sean Alexander a lot.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he was great.

[Matt Jones]

Really.

[Drew Franklin]

Not that I expect anyone to be jerks, but everyone was, like, so nice. Like, I didn't think anyone were going to be rude, but they're over the top nice. Like, even when we're done, they don't just run off and go to the next one. You know, they have a busy day. Everyone has stayed around, chat a little bit, even starting with T. TD in the beginning. I'll call him. I. I had a blast talking to all of them. Wish we could have had more time.

[Billy]

TD and the qz. I mean, that was the best way to start it for me.

[Matt Jones]

TD and the what?

[Billy]

The qz, the quarter zip.

[Matt Jones]

Don't try to be.

[Drew Franklin]

I will say it was pretty funny that we.

[Matt Jones]

Don't try. Don't try to start. Don't try to start. Hold on.

[Drew Franklin]

Are you serious?

[Billy]

There it is.

[Matt Jones]

Don't try to start. Slogans, Billy. Like TD with the qz.

[Billy]

I need to know what happened with td. Tony Dungy, Andrew Franklin.

[Matt Jones]

Well, okay, so there's a couple interactions we need to go over. First of all, I've had two that I'll remember forever. Let's start with. Let's start with Drew and Tony Dungey. So Tony Dungy grabbed you by the jacket and pulled on you and seemed to want your attention. And I watched this happen, and I thought, why does Tony Dungy want to talk to Drew?

[Drew Franklin]

And I was on an elevated surface. I was up on the stage.

[Matt Jones]

He pulled at his jacket like a little child asking for candy. He pulled in his jacket and was like. And then he didn't know who you were, because when you turned around, the look of disappointment on his face. That's my favorite part. That had to hurt.

[Terrell Davis]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I was actually talking to.

[Matt Jones]

Who's that person right there? He's famous. The guy with the face right there? Yeah. I think he's a reporter, but what's his name? He's famous. I need to stop looking at him. All right, go ahead.

[Drew Franklin]

No, well, I was. I was talking. I was already in a celebrity interaction with Will Compton, and he goes, tony Dungy wants your attention. And I was like, tony said that? Yeah, Tony.

[Matt Jones]

Tony.

[Drew Franklin]

John is pulling on my shirt. And when I turned around, Tony's face was mortified, Like, I do not know this human.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it was clear. He thought I was someone else. He thought you were someone else. And then he was like, but I've been tugging on this stranger.

[Terrell Davis]

Committed.

[Drew Franklin]

He committed.

[Matt Jones]

Tony Dudgeon was. Was shirt committed. At that point, I was like, get off me, Tony.

[Drew Franklin]

What can we possibly talk about? And then when we made eye contact, he was like, you'd seen a ghost.

[Matt Jones]

He's tugging Tony.

[Mike Golic]

He's never.

[Drew Franklin]

He's like, I've never seen this human ever. And I have nothing to say to him.

[Matt Jones]

Tugging. Tony will forever be known as the guy who tugged on Drew, hoping to get his attention.

[Drew Franklin]

You know what? You probably thought I was Jeff Saturday. I get it a lot. Former player.

[Matt Jones]

I should have gone with it. He did that. You know what?

[Billy]

That's what I was.

[Drew Franklin]

But you're not Jeff Lost a lot of weight. Well, no, no, not lineman big. But I was on an elevated surface.

[Matt Jones]

He thought you were Jeff Saturday. That's exactly who he thought he was. Tugging Tony thought you were Jeff Saturday.

[Drew Franklin]

The only thing I can come up with, because he was definitely wanting to have a conversation.

[Matt Jones]

Then the next thing that happened, I was there for this as well. We went to the restroom, as people do break here. And Drew.

[Mike Golic]

Drew.

[Matt Jones]

I saw Derek Henry walk through the restroom. So the only three people at the urinals were me, Drew, and Derek Henry. And I could see on Drew's face that he wanted to talk to Derek Henry. Derek Henry is like his. Yeah. Is he your favorite player of all time? It's McNaught Nair and then him, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, that'd probably be it. And I knew he was in the building, so I've been. Since we've walked in, I've been looking everywhere. I did not think we would be. Touching elbows at the urinal would be.

[Matt Jones]

The moment I could see Drew's face, him being like. Like, I want to talk to Derrick Henry, but I'm not sure I can with urinal things happening.

[Billy]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Matt Jones]

And you didn't. Do you regret it?

[Drew Franklin]

First of all, I gotta paint the scene. There were seven, eight urinals, most of them open. I still don't know why he was directly next to me. In hindsight, what made him walk to the one?

[Matt Jones]

I mean, because he wanted you to talk to.

[Drew Franklin]

But there wasn't a gap urinal between us. I mean, we were basically just stating.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we were being together. Eric Hendry wanted You. He was hoping to have a conversation.

[Drew Franklin]

I wish there had been a reaction or a camera on me because at first I was like, why is this guy up on me? And I kind of just glanced to my left just one second.

[Matt Jones]

Who are these two gentlemen in Bounty sweaters?

[Billy]

That is, I believe, Amon Ross St. Brown and Panay Sewell.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but why are they wearing. Why are they wearing Bounty Mr. Rogers sweaters?

[Drew Franklin]

Because when Bounty says wear this and pay you, I'm sure they'd wear whatever.

[Matt Jones]

So that's a Mon St. Brown and Panayu.

[Drew Franklin]

Definitely same brown. I believe it's Panay.

[Matt Jones]

How do you recognize Panay? Yeah, you. How many offensive linemen do you recognize by face?

[Billy]

Not a lot, but he's a very. I mean, he's. He was taken. I mean, they took Jamar Chase ahead of him, so it was like a big thing, wasn't it?

[Matt Jones]

And they're Bounty wingman, by the way. Bounty is the biggest sponsor here. There's. Bounty is the number one sponsor. I didn't know toilet paper had this level of sponsorship, but they do. I. I prefer Bounty, by the way.

[Drew Franklin]

I thought the NFL and bounties were past that, but they're brought them back. Cleaning up image.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, stop. All right, so back to. Back to the urinal.

[Mike Golic]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, it was really a moment where I'm like, why is this guy up on me? This is an empty bathroom and his, like, elbow is hitting my elbow. And, you know, I kind of just look to my left. Not down at an angle, up at an angle, and say, oh, my God, this is Derrick Henry. And just straight down, stare at the wall, don't move. I cannot have a conversation in that moment. You understand?

[Matt Jones]

I think this was the chance. It would have been weird, but I think it's sad that this is like your favorite player and you did not speak to him when you had a chance. But granted, it would have been weird. It is weird to have conversations in that country.

[Drew Franklin]

This is a gigantic convention center. There's about 5ft of area where I cannot speak to Derek Henry. And that's where we met. I can't change that.

[Matt Jones]

You could talk to him anywhere except the urinal.

[Drew Franklin]

I stared at the brick wall, wondering what life.

[Matt Jones]

Fair point. That's a really good point. That's probably the only place you can't talk to him. But this has been. Been lots of celebrity inner interaction. Who do you think has been the most random person you've run into here?

[Drew Franklin]

You know, I like seeing the. Because it's mostly athletes I'm not used to it yet because I'm still wide eyed looking around. But I like seeing some of the celebrities that I didn't expect. Like the workaholics crew that's across from us. So not that I'm not enjoying the athletes, but the random celebrities that I didn't expect to run into. It's been neat seeing them.

[Matt Jones]

I also enjoy, and I'm not going to mention I enjoy Billy. The people that are walking around hoping someone will ask them to, to come for an interview and then. And people don't. I get a little bit of. I find that interesting as well.

[Billy]

Like you feel bad for them.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I don't feel bad. It's just like, I don't know. There are levels of media so we're on the outside. This is like the national media. Then there's local media. I feel like a lot of this him should go in there because there are some people here. There are people from all over the country. There's like radio stations. I'm amazed at how many people make the trip and come out here.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, that sets up another story we have to tell your boy Bill over here. Oh yeah, Bill went and met the bucks guy.

[Billy]

Well, one of them, my hometown station WDAE is here. And so I went and said hi.

[Matt Jones]

Did you go ask for a job?

[Drew Franklin]

I did not because Even better though.

[Billy]

So I was like, yeah, let's exchange contact. Big fan, you know, whatever. And he pulled out his own digital.

[Matt Jones]

Card for people who are cover zero listeners only. You don't know that Billy has decided to be create a digital business card for this trip because I think he's trying to get other jobs and he gave you a digital business?

[Billy]

No, we both had one.

[Drew Franklin]

He reverse uno'd you with your, with your business.

[Billy]

He had his own and I mean he works for iHeart. And he was like, yeah, I heart's just been. Everybody has to have their own digital business card. I was like, that's.

[Matt Jones]

That is not the case. I heart requires that.

[Billy]

That's what he was saying.

[Matt Jones]

Well, they never.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm not going up to somebody saying scan this QR code. There's so many creepy things that could be done with that.

[Matt Jones]

So did you all share info?

[Billy]

We did, yes.

[Matt Jones]

I thought you said it didn't work.

[Drew Franklin]

It didn't work.

[Billy]

I had to go back over there.

[Stevie Johnson]

His.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, you went back.

[Mike Golic]

I went back.

[Matt Jones]

You went back for a second.

[Billy]

I was like, dude, it didn't work. Which is funny because they've been dogging me.

[Matt Jones]

You went back For a second scan.

[Mike Golic]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And this time it worked.

[Billy]

It worked this time.

[Matt Jones]

Well, good for you, Billy.

[Billy]

So we're gonna, you know, go meet some more people after this. I mean, I don't. Who knows who we're gonna see.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm with you. I'm starting to see a lot of media faces that I know, but I can't put a name.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, you laughed. There's a lot of staring at that guy.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, now this one with the glasses in the. In the.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I can see. Yeah, that's a.

[Mike Golic]

That's.

[Drew Franklin]

That's a person too.

[Billy]

Oh, that's Andrew from the Nan Patrick show.

[Matt Jones]

He's.

[Billy]

He's gone on and done his own. See, and it's Andrew and a chick. I forget her name.

[Drew Franklin]

I couldn't have produced that.

[Matt Jones]

But Andrew what?

[Billy]

Pearl Knoff Pernoff.

[Matt Jones]

What does he do?

[Billy]

He was on the Dan Patrick show. He's one of the danettes. And now he's got his own show.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, now he has his own show. Billy's dream right there. That's who he needs to come. Yeah, go give him your.

[Drew Franklin]

Go give him your QR code.

[Matt Jones]

That's his idol. The guy who leaves the day of the. And goes and does his own show. That's Billy's idol. You need to go meet him.

[Drew Franklin]

It's like the bad boy club over there.

[Matt Jones]

I actually think I follow that guy on Twitter. I see his face. I don't know why, but I think I do. Well, it has been an excellent first day here. I want to thank the folks at the NFL, not heart radio for setting it up for us. We still got two more days. We will be here tomorrow and Friday. So I hope all of you will continue to tune in and join us, share like all the things people do on the podcast and as we get you ready. We are just a few days away from Super Bowl 60 here in San Francisco. This has been NFL cover zero foreign. Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcast. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

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