NFL Cover Zero: The Playoff Hunt Begins!

Summary

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NFL Cover Zero: The Playoff Hunt Begins!

Podcast: KSR — iHeartPodcasts & Sports Talk 790
Date: November 20, 2025
Hosts: Matt Jones, Drew Franklin, Billy Van Dyke

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Episode Overview

With Week 12 approaching, Matt Jones and the KSR crew dive into the emerging playoff picture, analyze the latest player news, and provide their trademark humorous takes and banter. Set against the backdrop of a gloomy Kentucky day, the discussion is sharp and lighthearted, moving from the NFL’s biggest stories and stranger sideplots to game picks and playoff scenarios. The hosts also reflect on quirky stats, player drama, and what really matters to fans as the postseason hunt heats up.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Buffalo Trip Recap (02:09–06:23)

• The team returns from a lively trip to Buffalo, sharing laughs at Drew's conflicted loyalties between his Titans and the Bills.
  • Matt: “…at some point, I think you’re gonna…you’re either out of the house and go live with your new girlfriend or you’re gonna have to make a decision.” (02:13)
  • Drew confesses: “The house that I’m trying to stay in is on fire.” (03:23)
• Billy gets mocked for his generic NFL logo hat—dubbed “Rob Lowe style”—sparking jokes about corporate fandom.

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2. Reactions to Last Week’s Games (07:03–08:53)

• Analysis of the dull Eagles-Lions game (“atrocious,” “boring to tears"), with their defense praised for shutting teams down.
  • Drew: "They do seem like they’re just a defensive team now...but that was a big win for the Eagles." (07:52)
• Quick review of the Cowboys’ blowout, emphasizing the impact of Pickens and Lamb, and poking fun at casino card games like War and Pai Gow as metaphors for NFL unpredictability.
  • Matt: “Is that just to attract the stupidest people?...Hey, look, eight’s higher than five.” (09:53)

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3. Top NFL News & Stories

Jamar Chase Suspension — The Spitting Incident (11:01–13:36)

• Jamar Chase suspended after spitting on Jalen Ramsey; his defense “If I would have spit on him, it would have been in his face, not his jersey.”
  • Matt: “So his argument was, I don’t miss when I spit.” (11:23)
  • Drew: “You can see his lips come together and spit…he can’t deny that he spit.” (11:39)
  • The crew debates if a one-game suspension fits (all agree — yes).
  • Mike Tomlin’s response gets praise: “If someone spits on you, do whatever feels natural.” (12:42)

Aaron Rodgers Injury & The Steelers QB Carousel (14:23–18:55)

• Rodgers avoids surgery on his wrist, tries to play through it—skepticism and jokes about his “differences” with medical science.
  • Matt: “Who am I to say that modern medicine applies to him? He was awful last week.” (15:27)
• Extended riff on Mason Rudolph’s seemingly permanent backup role in Pittsburgh.
  • Matt: “Mason Rudolph…he just keeps coming back. Like Mason Rudolph is like…it’s like a girlfriend, you just can’t quit her.” (16:41)
• Conspiracy chatter around Rodgers’ secretive marital status: “Do you believe he’s married?... He doesn’t wear a wedding ring.” (18:55–19:08)

The “Break-In” and Shedeur Sanders’ Trial by Fire (24:48–28:32)

• Cleveland lets Shedeur Sanders start after his house was burglarized mid-game.
  • Matt: “What do you do about people breaking in your house when you’re playing?” (25:09)
  • Drew: “It’s crazy that they’ve targeted athletes knowing they’re busy.” (25:13)
• The crew debates if Shedeur ever got a fair shake—Drew: “I just think they know what they have and don’t have any confidence in him.” (27:09)
• Billy shares Shedeur’s quote on the break-in: “I didn’t get robbed. My house did.” (27:28)

Falcons’ Michael Penix Out & Panthers’ Coin Toss Oddity (29:40–31:14)

• Penix injury leaves Atlanta uncertain about their future.
• Panthers are “6–0 when they win the coin toss, 0–5 when they lose”—hosts discuss if coin toss outcomes matter.
  • Matt: "What a fascinating statistic. What do you make of that?" (31:03)

Receiving vs. Deferring at the Coin Toss (31:20–35:15)

• Extended analysis of whether deferring is statistically smarter—historical note: pre-2008, 99% of teams received first.
  • Billy: “…strategy has drastically changed since then.” (34:10)

Scandals & Social Media — Cam Scatterboo at Monday Night Raw (38:45–43:39)

• Giants’ Scatterboo, out injured, gets heat for interacting with WWE stars at a live event.
  • Matt: “Normally, I would not care. I'm with you...But he gets pushed and falls backwards.” (42:15–42:26)
  • Drew: "If he plants on that and furthers the injury, what do the Giants have to say?" (42:26)

Josh Allen Nears Rushing TD Record for QBs (45:18–47:53)

• Allen ties Cam Newton (75) for all-time QB rushing TDs; expectations that he’ll shatter the record.
  • Matt: "He's going to obliterate that record, right? ... He's going to set it where nobody ever gets it." (45:38)
  • Quick debate: Will mobile QBs age well? Consensus: probably not as well as pocket passers.

Cursed Fans—Ted Cruz as the New “Drake Curse” (49:29–50:29)

• The hosts joke about Ted Cruz's attendance record bringing bad luck to Texas teams.

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4. Playoff Picture Breakdown (54:05–59:41)

• AFC: Chiefs outside looking in; Bills, KC, Jags, Houston, Chargers, Pittsburgh, Baltimore—crew debates who actually sneaks in.
  • Matt: "Buffalo makes it, Kansas City makes it...Kansas City and Jacksonville and Buffalo are the three that make it." (56:12–56:43)
• NFC North: Bears, Packers, Lions all have hard schedules. Detroit’s rough stretch makes them a possible playoff miss despite preseason hype.
• New England’s easy schedule ("New England patsies") sees them in the mix despite lackluster performances.

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5. International Expansion: Saints in Paris (60:10–62:28)

• Saints expected to play in Paris by 2026, the NFL’s eighth international market.
  • Matt: “They do not care about football in Paris at all…” (60:54)
• The hosts poke fun at the likely “French-themed” Saints uniforms, joke about players running plays with easels and berets.

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6. Picks and Predictions (63:05–68:38)

• "Liberty Mutual Bundle" picks:
  • Texans +6
  • Bears +2.5
  • Eagles -3.5
• Survivor League strategy: Billy rides the “pick against the Titans” formula.
• Touchdown parlay: JSN (Seahawks), Josh Allen (Bills), Derrick Henry (Titans).
  • Drew: “This is the week we are all hitting it. Think so. I like all three of those picks.” (67:41)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On conflict of fandoms:
  • “It’s the kind of thing that happens when somebody, you know, has a new girlfriend. But is she gonna be there for you? To quote Chris Rock, is she gonna be there for you when it gets cold?” — Matt Jones, 03:36
• On Mason Rudolph:
  • “He just keeps coming back. Like Mason Rudolph is like…a girlfriend, you just can’t quit her.” — Matt Jones, 16:41
• On the spitting punishment:
  • “If someone spits on you, do whatever feels natural.” — Mike Tomlin, relayed by Drew Franklin, 12:42
• On fan curses:
  • “If I knew the president was my fan and he was causing me to lose, I would say, stay away, sir.” — Matt Jones, 49:48
• On Paris NFL game:
  • “They do not care about football in Paris at all…I don’t know that having the Saints will. Will matter...” — Matt Jones, 60:54
• On Drew’s Bills enthusiasm:
  • “You picked against the Bills, though. I thought this was a Bills podcast now.” — Billy Van Dyke, 68:19

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Opening Banter & Buffalo Trip – 02:09–06:23
• NFL Weekly Game Recap – 07:03–08:53
• Jamar Chase Suspension: 11:01–13:36
• Aaron Rodgers/Pittsburgh QB Talk: 14:23–18:55
• Shedeur Sanders & Home Burglary: 24:48–28:32
• Penix Injury & Panthers Coin Toss: 29:40–31:14
• Coin Toss Philosophy: 31:20–35:15
• Scatterboo WWE Incident: 38:45–43:39
• Josh Allen Rushing TD Record: 45:18–47:53
• Ted Cruz Curse: 49:29–50:29
• Playoff Picture Breakdown: 54:05–59:41
• Saints in Paris: 60:10–62:28
• Liberty Mutual Bundle / Picks: 63:05–68:38

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Tone & Style

Informal, quick-witted, playful ribbing among friends who love football and refuse to take themselves too seriously. Deep NFL analysis is peppered with personal stories, pop culture jokes, and cheeky asides (e.g., about coin toss luck, fan curses, and player fashion).

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For Those Who Missed It:

This episode of NFL Cover Zero delivers a sharp, irreverent look at the NFL’s tightening playoff race, with recurring jabs on player drama, fan juju, and the quirks of football culture. Especially strong are the segments questioning traditions (coin tosses, backup QBs, playoff odds), as well as their lighthearted take on international games and the blurred lines between fanhood and "football tourism."

You’ll finish feeling smarter about the NFL’s playoff outlook—and a lot more entertained.

Transcript

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Ends on 2826 open to legal residents of the 50 United States and D.C. and 18 and over. For complete details, how to enter prizes and official rules, Visit toyotas gameday giveaways.com NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. It is week 12, NFL cover 0 returned from Buffalo and ready for yet another week. We are about to hit the 2/3 mark the season. The playoff hunt is starting to materialize and it is a gloomy day where we are in Kentucky, but hopefully wherever you are around the country, it is a happy time. Drew still wearing his bills mafia hat. I think it's starting to get a little. I don't know, it feels like you're kind of cheating on the Titans. And at some point, I think you're gonna. She's gonna make you decide, like you're either out of the house and go live with your new girlfriend or you're gonna have to make a decision.

[Drew Franklin]

You're right. I'm struggling with it. But right now, the house that I'm trying to stay in is on fire. So it's kind of hard to stay in my house right now. But, yeah, I'm still. I'm. You all been with me since we got back. I haven't stopped smiling from that trip.

[Matt Jones]

And it's. It's. Yeah, I mean, it's the kind of thing that happens when somebody, you know, has a new girlfriend. But is she gonna be there for you? To quote Chris Rock, is she gonna be there for you when it gets cold? Can she do all the things for you that the Titans used to do?

[Drew Franklin]

Part of me wonders if those bed pan meatballs are always going to be there or did I just get caught up in the excitement of being there once?

[Matt Jones]

Well, you definitely got caught up in the excitement.

[Drew Franklin]

That's fair.

[Matt Jones]

Now whether or not it's. It's staying. We had a great time, though, and thanks to everybody. Huge amount of listeners. One of our most listened to episodes. People keep telling your friends, your family or strangers about NFL Cover zero and. And shout out to our social media guy Mario for all he put out and to Billy for providing good entertainment. Dick van Dyke turns 100 years old tomorrow. In honor of your feet.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Look good, feel good. We were dressing for success in Buffalo and had a great time going to the tailgates with Drew and then post game interviews with you guys. So a lot of fun.

[Drew Franklin]

Before we go on, can we note Billy bought an NFL logo hat. He's now just an NFL fan. That's new. He robbed.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you're Rob Lowe. I'm not going to say anything to you, but. But, But I am. When you, when you got online, you were asking me if clothing looked good and it was NFL clothing. It was like the NFL hat. It was an NFL shirt. And you were like, do these. How do these colors look? I was like, they look good. I was under the mistaken assumption, though, you were going to then put a team logo on. I did not assume that you would Just go with the NFL logo. And then I looked the rest of your clothing. Like, you wear Apple hats, you wear Burger King hats. Like, you're.

[Drew Franklin]

You're. I love a Toyota sweater.

[Matt Jones]

You're kind of a corporate man.

[Billy Van Dyke]

I guess I'm a man behind the shield right now. Got to support the. The logo here.

[Matt Jones]

I do like that hat, but, I mean, you don't see a lot. It's just you and. And Rob Lowe are people I've ever seen wear an NFL hat.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah, I'm here to carry that flag. So me and Rob.

[Matt Jones]

Well, good. Well, it fits in with your Dick Van Dyke shoes. It was interesting the. Our contact at the NFL wrote and specifically took up for your shoes. So there might be an. There might be a place for you if this whole entertainment thing doesn't work out in the NFL head office.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah, I think that's just real recognizing real there and excited to keep up the. The attire next time we go on a trip.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Real recognizing real.

[Matt Jones]

That's exactly right. Do you have any. Have you learned anything about Dick Van Dyke since. Since now? All right, well, 100 years old tomorrow, so. Happy birthday, Dick. He has a book coming out.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, nice.

[Matt Jones]

It's like how to live to be 100. So you just got to get to tomorrow. The book will not sell well if he doesn't get to see, like, you have to wrap him in protective bubble between now and tomorrow. Right.

[Drew Franklin]

I actually saw, you know, because he's a comedian, he jokes, he's like, wouldn't it be funny if I didn't make it to the book release? No, to his 100th birthday. He, like, he openly joked about because there's so much around him.

[Matt Jones]

I think it would be. It would be sad, but also kind of funny if he did. Like, he has a book coming out about longevity and he doesn't make it to the book release. But I think he's going to make it.

[Drew Franklin]

I think he will, too.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And I hope his career continues to resurge because he seems like a nice fellow.

[Drew Franklin]

What a great run.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so we always like to talk about what happened since our last show. We did the Sunday podcast in Buffalo before Eagles Lions. It was an atrocious game that. That I couldn't even pay attention to. I tried. The Eagles continue to bore everyone to tears, but when sort of like Iowa football over the years, Wisconsin basketball. Would you like to be a fan of a team that wins but is just hideously boring to watch?

[Drew Franklin]

No. And I actually was going to bring up Iowa football for Comparison. You just did it. That's what that game reminded me of. Those were two marquee opponents, a game I was really looking forward to watching. And what was it, like 16 to 9?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, yeah. And it wasn't. It wasn't even as exciting as that. No, it was like six to three.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, one takeaway is, you know, we earlier we were talking about, are the Eagles running too much? Do they need to get A.J. brown the ball? What's their identity? They do seem like they're just a defensive team now. They flipped a switch on the defense. It's always been good, but they're really shutting teams down. So obviously that was part of the style while I was boring. But that was a big win for the Eagles to play the Lions like that. Now the Lions are kind of backed up against the wall.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I wish I had thoughts about it. I just didn't. And then the same thing with the Monday Night Football game. I mean, I, you know, I'm a fan of the Manning cast and I was a little busy Monday, so I turned the game on and it was 31 to nine Cowboys and Guy Fieri was on the Manning cast. And I don't like Guy Fieri and I don't like games that are 31 to 9. So I didn't see one minute of it. You are a Cowboys fan or your wife is. You probably watched it. Anything I need to know?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, the big story, a Pickens and Lamb had huge games. Pickens specifically. He's been amazing. That might go down as the worst trade ever. Cowboys completely made out. Good on that.

[Matt Jones]

You would think that would get a lot more attention being the Cowboys, but I guess it shows that when you're 4 or 5 and 1, people just won't follow it as much. What. What game do you think they were playing?

[Drew Franklin]

Hopefully it was a game, maybe not a nightclub. You know, I've been out there. Sometimes you can leave a nightclub and the sun's up. It really throws you off. I don't know what they were doing, but it was weird seeing the Cowboys in big game like that. And those two on the sideline for the first series looking on.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, well. But it didn't seem to matter, pal.

[Drew Franklin]

Gal, is that a game pack? Pago pai gow. Did I make out pie Gal, I bet they were playing that.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know how to play that. I know that, like, that's a big game in Asia. People really like to play that.

[Drew Franklin]

The Bellagio has war. It's unbelievable. I've played it.

[Matt Jones]

What's what's war?

[Drew Franklin]

You just flip over a card and hire a card. I mean, it's just. It's so fast. You and the dealer flip over a card.

[Matt Jones]

It's. You just flip over a card?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Oh, I got a nine. You got an ace. I lose. They have an advantage. I think the advantage is on a tie. I believe that's it. Because, you know, the house has to have a little advantage. But maybe they were doing that.

[Matt Jones]

Is that just to attract the stupidest people like any. If you can't understand even. If you can't even understand Blackjack. Hey, look, eight's higher than five.

[Drew Franklin]

That's a game I played on, like, church trips, on a bus growing up. I didn't know that you could go to one of the nicer resorts in Vegas and play it, but I saw it there a couple years ago.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Huh.

[Matt Jones]

I had no idea.

[Drew Franklin]

So they were doing that.

[Matt Jones]

We. I went to a casino recently, and there was a game, and they were like, here, play this. Because it was only a $5 limit, and my friends didn't want to play higher than that. And we realized that we didn't know the rules of the game. I don't recommend that. I don't recommend playing a game where you have to ask the dealer, did we win? I mean, I don't think they're cheating, but it's not a good feeling to go, okay, how'd that work out for me?

[Drew Franklin]

It's probably not the best way to invest your money if you don't even know what you're playing.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but. Well, I'm glad Pickens and Lamb, they ended up both scoring touchdowns, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, both of them.

[Matt Jones]

Even after not. Not being their start. So we might as well go through the stories and the news of the week, and as always, we bring in Billy Van Dyke to get started. Billy, what's first?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah, let's start with another wide receiver, Jamar Chase. His suspension was upheld after spitting on Jalen Ramsey last week. He will miss the game versus the Patri Patriots this week. When he tried to appeal, his argument was, if I would have spit on him, I would have spit on him in his face, not on his jersey.

[Matt Jones]

That's interesting.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Jamar will lose $507,000 in lost wages.

[Matt Jones]

So his argument was, I don't miss when I spit.

[Billy Van Dyke]

It was, I would spit in your face if I was going to spit on you. Was his.

[Matt Jones]

So what is he arguing came out of his mouth?

[Billy Van Dyke]

I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

He says initially that we saw saliva come out of his Mouth. I don't think that's controversial.

[Drew Franklin]

There's no mistaking that. Even, like, you see him kind of swish it, and, you know, you see his lips come together and spit it. And then you even. You even see, like, Ramsey kind of make the turn that you would make if someone spit on you. Like, you see his reaction.

[Matt Jones]

So you think he actually did hit his face?

[Drew Franklin]

No, no. It lands short. But he can't deny that he spit. You, like, watch his mouth.

[Matt Jones]

So are you arguing that Ramsay flopped on the spit? Because if it hit his chest, he shouldn't have jerked back.

[Drew Franklin]

It did look like it's hit his chest. Regard spit on someone. But Chase doubled down saying, you didn't do it. When we've all seen it, the camera angle gets it perfectly. I think this is really bad for his brand. You did? Yeah. When you're just blatantly lying, like, do we see it? And then I know he's seen it, and he's still doubling down. He should have just said, you know, caught up in the moment. Should have done it.

[Matt Jones]

Well, so it's now. I mean, we have. The president has been set. Set. Now, in multiple games, if you spit on someone, one game suspension, do you feel like that's the right amount of time for a. For a rogue spitter?

[Drew Franklin]

I do.

[Billy Van Dyke]

It's pretty disrespectful to do that. You can't have people going around spitting.

[Drew Franklin]

I liked what Mike Tomlin said. Did you see that? They asked him what he thought about Ramsey punching him, and he said, I have no message. If someone spits on you, do whatever feels natural.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I think we've had this conversation on other forums about why people feel spitting is so disrespectful. I would much rather be spit on than punched, but it seems like most people think the opposite. They would rather you punch them then. I mean, a spit doesn't hurt. I can wipe it off. A punch can hurt. But yet most people see it the other way around.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And then for Tomlin in a press conference to be like, you know what? I got Ramsey's back. Whatever he felt he needed to do in that circumstances, all rules are off.

[Matt Jones]

Do you agree with him?

[Drew Franklin]

Kind of. It's more for me not Ramsey's reaction. It's Chase, what are you doing?

[Matt Jones]

Still denying disrespect.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. You shouldn't have done it. Especially when the first game of the NFL season, a guy gets ejected for doing that exact thing. It's a pretty big story. And then you're doing it and Denying it when everyone knows you did it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And if the Bengals were in a playoff hunt, that would be bad. $500,000. I mean, we. We sort of say that like it's nothing. That's a half million dollars that he's missing for spit. Sometimes it's funny. People will say, oh, the NFL players don't care. They don't. They'll say that about athletes. If you're willing to give up $500,000 to spit, I would argue you care quite a bit. Right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And Billy, didn't you say the number was 500 7,000? The 7,000. I almost need an explanation for.

[Matt Jones]

Well, no, no, it's. It's a game.

[Drew Franklin]

I didn't know if we had. I didn't know if we had a fee on spitting.

[Matt Jones]

Extra seven thousand dollars. Five hundred thousand dollar spit plus seven because it was egregious.

[Drew Franklin]

Even though he's. Even though he's stupid rich, he'll fill that one a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I think that makes perfect sense is what they. It's what they should have done. And you know, I guess what. While we're on the Steelers, you want to do Aaron Rodgers here. I assume that's one of your stories.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah, it is. We can stay there. Aaron Rodgers doesn't need surgery on his left wrist. He has not yet been ruled out of Sunday's game versus the Bears. So I guess disaster averted for Pittsburgh.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but he's going to have a broken wrist. Have you ever had a broken wrist?

[Drew Franklin]

I think I currently have one. I've been meaning to go get it checked out for a while.

[Matt Jones]

What do you mean you currently.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, it was bad. My whole arm was.

[Matt Jones]

Was brute.

[Drew Franklin]

My whole arm was purple.

[Matt Jones]

I should go get this.

[Drew Franklin]

I did it about a year ago and I just haven't got it checked out.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think you have a broken. I've had a broken wrist and you know it. Like it's not. Oh, that could be broken. It's broken and it hurts. Which is how. I don't know how he's going to play. Well, yours.

[Drew Franklin]

He's a health expert. He's been taking good care of his body for all these years. If we're not dealing with a normal specimen here.

[Matt Jones]

You know what? He's done his own research. He knows.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He.

[Matt Jones]

That's a great point. I don't know. Who am I to say that modern medicine applies to him? He was awful last week. Like, like truly awful. And he's been awful now for a couple of weeks. Are you. Are you kind of of the opinion that maybe the ayahuasca is worn off and sort of. That it's now. I mean, there's some people say maybe you go with mate. At least with Mason Rudolph, you know, you get some consistency.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And part of, you know, we all know how old he is. He had a great start. You know, old people. He's just old man. The season's long. He had a great first few weeks and then Tom caught up to him.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, that can be real.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Old people. I know for me, I ain't as good as I once was, but I could be good for like six games. But then after that, you know, I. So I don't think that's. It's unreasonable. I am fascinated by Mason Rudolph. That man has been Pittsburgh's backup quarterback since Terry Bradshaw play. And. And they keep bringing in new guys, but they can't get rid of him.

[Drew Franklin]

He watches a Titan. Last year, and we gave him back. He stepped away for one year.

[Matt Jones]

Even more to the point. Even more to the point. He just keeps coming back. Like. Like Mason Rudolph is like. It's like a girlfriend. It's. You just can't quit her. You've got to keep bringing her back in your life. And they. And he is probably. I would be fascinated to see how many quarterbacks he has replaced in his Pittsburgh career. Going back to Roethlisberg, I think he's probably replaced five or six quarterbacks through the course of his career.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he got drafted. What?

[Cam Jordan]

He's probably.

[Drew Franklin]

There was that six, seven years ago he got drafted. I know he.

[Matt Jones]

He dipped him. If that's it.

[Drew Franklin]

It feels like 2018, 2019. Before 2020 for sure. Yeah. When he went to the Titans, I kind of thought, what are we doing taking this guy with no future. Lasted a year and then the Steelers picked him right back up. And now he's going to probably be playing in a big game against your Bears.

[Matt Jones]

And he didn't look terrible when he got in there. I feel like he's always been solid. Well, give me some mates.

[Drew Franklin]

His numbers were pretty good.

[Matt Jones]

When did he come into the league?

[Billy Van Dyke]

2018, third round pick, 76 overall. Went to Oklahoma State before that.

[Matt Jones]

I remember that.

[Billy Van Dyke]

And was a Pittsburgh Steeler Tennessee Titan for one year. And now back with the Steelers.

[Matt Jones]

How many games has he started?

[Billy Van Dyke]

I don't have a start earring here. Okay, let's see.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, Pittsburgh does this. I feel like Charlie Batch was there for a long time. And then the same thing with Mason Rudolph. I think when you get that job as backup quarterback for the Steelers. You're a lifer.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. He played a lot for the Titans last year. I thought in the. In the last game he came in, his numbers were pretty good through a touchdown. I think his completion percentage was pretty good. But I think they're going to get used to having to see that.

[Matt Jones]

As a Bears fan, I want. I want Aaron Rodgers to play because we need to. You know, he. Well, he takes extra pride in beating us like he. He is. He is an absolute jerk when it comes to, well, everything, but specifically when it comes to the Bears. And so I don't want to beat them and him not be there because then he'll say, we'll see. So I actually, actually want him to.

[Drew Franklin]

What's it. Didn't he win like 13 straight or some crazy stat of how many times he beat the bears? So he's 13. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Like that.

[Drew Franklin]

Some wild in his head. He thinks he has ownership, even if it is a different uniform.

[Matt Jones]

Do you believe he's married?

[Drew Franklin]

Aaron Rodgers?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, because there's this whole thing about they don't know if his wife is real because he's never said the person's name and they've never been seen. And he doesn't wear a wedding ring.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, he's been open about taking some hallucinogenics.

[Matt Jones]

You think he hallucinated a wife?

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, if anyone. Anyone in the league would.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know that position. You don't think he's lying? You think he believes he has a wife?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I mean, it's Aaron Rodgers. He's got all kinds of beliefs that I don't believe.

[Matt Jones]

Interesting.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Could be an AI. Wife.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

That's a great. That's. I have to tell you, that's something I hadn't even considered the fact that he does not have a wife, but thinks he does. Yeah. What. What. What is the basis for he doesn't have a wife? There's like a whole conspiracy theory thing, right.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Not that I know specifically. It's just that he has.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not making this up.

[Drew Franklin]

A bunch of the Steelers wives. So that said, like, we want to meet her. I guess she's not around.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, so, like, it's. Yeah, I've been through that, though. I know what Aaron's talking about. You date somebody. Like, when are you gonna bring her? Like, I don't know. I don't know if you'd like her.

[Billy Van Dyke]

A lot of pressure, meeting the friends.

[Matt Jones]

By the way, that's. Is that. That'll be a sequel to The Hunting Wives. Steelers wives. I hope the same stuff happens. Have you seen Hunting Wives?

[Drew Franklin]

I'm familiar with it. My wife watched it and she told me about it. No, I haven't actually laid eye, but I've heard how crazy it is.

[Matt Jones]

No, no, no. Know, it's like, like it's wild. Like, I wouldn't let Mario watch it.

[Drew Franklin]

He's too innocent, too young.

[Matt Jones]

And I would say he's, you know, he's what, 25? He's too young to see it. That's. That's how bad it is. But it's good, but in a bad way.

[Drew Franklin]

Let's check that out next time we get a 13 to 6 game we're not interested in.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. All right. So Aaron Rodgers likely to. What did they say? Likely to play or just not having served?

[Billy Van Dyke]

He said today he's going to give it a go.

[Matt Jones]

Gonna give it a go because it' Bears.

[Drew Franklin]

It's not the Bears.

[Matt Jones]

I want to hear you when we beat a mayor and say. I want to hear you say we're breaking the street because we are this week.

[Drew Franklin]

I believe in your Bears. I mean, they've been hot, they got a bad loss. But that offense has been a lot of fun to watch. And John said it earlier in the week, that's my coach of the year.

[Matt Jones]

You just said you needed Nvidia earnings. They just came out. Apparently they were good.

[Drew Franklin]

Doesn't make sense, though. They could be good and it could go down. Nothing that seriously could happen. Foreign.

[Colin Coward]

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[Marcus Grant]

Hey, y', all, it's me, your man, M.G. marcus Grant.

[Billy Van Dyke]

And I'm Michael F. Florio. And I'm Laquan Jones.

[Marcus Grant]

If you're looking to win your fantasy football league, you need to tune in to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast. It's right there in the name. Every week, Florio, LQ and I bring you the latest news from around the league. We break down every matchup, give you our analysis and advice so you know who to start, sit, drop and trade to bring that championship trophy home.

[Drew Franklin]

I just want to remind everyone how good Rasheed Rice was last season and there's three healthy games. He was the wide receiver two in fantasy I think Rasheed Rice just goes off this week.

[Matt Jones]

The Chiefs come on.

[Drew Franklin]

A flip pass to Rice near side.

[Matt Jones]

Touchdown.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Ramandre Stevens is my sleeper this week. This is a matchup where I think I can slide in Stevenson in my flex position and he could deliver double digit points this week.

[Marcus Grant]

Week.

[Matt Jones]

Drake takes the snap, hands it off for moderate running it right and running into the end zone. Touchdown.

[Marcus Grant]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, what's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks. If you love breaking down football from every angle, you're in the right place. Every week on Move the six, Bucky Brooks and I dive deep into the game from the X's and O's to the front office moves shaping the league.

[Matt Jones]

League we kick things off with Brian.

[Drew Franklin]

Baldinger breaking down what really went down on Sunday.

[Matt Jones]

It is as good a timing rhythm offense as there is in the league right now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Then Rhett Lewis joins us for our rookie draft and Coordinator of the week where we highlight the rising stars and the masterminds calling the shots. DJ talked me into a Ronde Gadsden Jr.

[Drew Franklin]

He had a monster game.

[Matt Jones]

Monster.

[Drew Franklin]

A monster game.

[Matt Jones]

And you hear from the voices who.

[Drew Franklin]

Actually build the game.

[Matt Jones]

GMs, coaches and players who give you.

[Drew Franklin]

Insight you won't get anywhere else.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

High standards and high care. That's the right combination. So whether you're studying tape or just love great football talk, subscribe to Move the sticks on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Jones]

What's up?

[Cam Jordan]

It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars from the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment about anything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season. The season of More on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Billy Van Dyke]

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[Matt Jones]

What's next?

[Billy Van Dyke]

One more news note out of the AFC North. The Cleveland Browns announced that Shedeur Sanders will start on Sunday versus the Raiders. He was 4 of 16 for 47 yards and an interception in his debut game last week. And during the game his house was broken into, in which he lost over $200,000 in things. But Shadur Sanders will start on Sunday.

[Matt Jones]

This whole, I mean, I. What do you do about people breaking in your house when you're playing?

[Drew Franklin]

It's crazy that they've targeted athletes knowing they're busy.

[Matt Jones]

But I mean, I can see why they do.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, they're on my tv. I know they're not home.

[Matt Jones]

You're not home.

[Drew Franklin]

You are currently in Las Vegas.

[Matt Jones]

You know, my mom used to always do that. She still does it. Like my mom doesn't want me to say on the radio when she and Larry go somewhere. She'll be like, we're going to. We're going to see the Gaithers sing. You know the Gaithers, they're like a gospel. We're going to go see the Gaithers in Asheville. Don't say that on the radio. And to be fair, there goes my content. I don't know that that's a topic that I'm going to lead a lot of shows with. My mom went to see the Gaithers. Let's rank their songs under his feet. That's the McKamey's anyway. But. But she's always worried that people are going to break into the house because they know she's gone. And I've always found that to be ridiculous. But that's now happening in the NFL.

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, what can you do about it?

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, you have to pay more for security, but you shouldn't have to amp your security up just because you're going to do your job.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you would think. Do you think, I mean, could the league do. I mean, I guess there's every single player's house.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I guess they're just going to have to.

[Matt Jones]

So what do you think about the Shador Truthers? So there are, there are people out there who are saying Shador. They didn't let him. Well, first of all, start with this. Stefanski said they gave him no first team reps going into the week and he was the backup. Is that weird?

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, maybe it should have been. No, I don't think it's that weird.

[Matt Jones]

It's a little weird, though. Like, I heard somebody on television say that most teams give the second string guy at least a few reps. Is it weird they didn't give Shador any?

[Drew Franklin]

I just feel like they've never believed in from the beginning.

[Matt Jones]

Like they weren't sounding like a truther. Because there are people who are saying but the truth do not want him to succeed.

[Drew Franklin]

No, no. I'm saying they haven't given him a chance because they know he's not good. I'm not saying he's been held back and he deserves better. I think they got him in camp and we're like, oh boy, this is way behind and just haven't felt the need to push him up the jeopardy. Give him more chances. I'm not the truthers that are like, oh, he's great, but they're holding him back. I just think they know what they have and don't have any confidence in him.

[Billy Van Dyke]

One more thing about Sanders, his quote about his house was interesting. He said, too many people are texting me. Are you okay? Yes, I'm fine. I didn't get robbed. My house did.

[Matt Jones]

I mean that's just. He. I think he's just trying to make sure everybody's all right. Right. I mean, that's a natural inclination though, for people that they hear something. Are you okay?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Right. So I, I know. I don't find that.

[Billy Van Dyke]

I would say technically he.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think he will play? Who does who they play this week.

[Billy Van Dyke]

They played the Raiders, so this is a good chance.

[Drew Franklin]

It's also the team he thought. Kind of thought he was going to early in the draft process. There's a lot of talk.

[Matt Jones]

I did hear somebody say he'll want to beat them because they passed over him. But isn't that true of every team? Giants passed over five times early in.

[Drew Franklin]

The process when he thought he might be in that top tier. The Giants and Raiders were two teams he, he seemed to really be interested in going to and then we know how that played out.

[Matt Jones]

So go on record. Good game for Shador. Bad game for Shador. Coming.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm not a Shador hater. I wish him the best. It's a bad game. Incoming. Sorry. I'd love to be surprised.

[Matt Jones]

Well, then I'm going to take the. I'm going to be a truther.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

I'm going to say Stefanski, he has no choice but to give him first team reps. I will say if they give all the reps to the second team guy this week, that would be a bad sign. I think he goes and plays. All right. I Think he's getting the perfect team for it.

[Drew Franklin]

They do stink.

[Matt Jones]

They stink. It'll be a late game. Probably a Chris Meyers or, you know, Adam Archuleta game.

[Drew Franklin]

They were just on Monday night. Short rest. Dak lit them up.

[Matt Jones]

That's exactly right. I think he plays well and then I think there are people who will say, see he should be playing and they will be wrong. But I think he has a good game.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I would love to see it. Big game. I don't want to come off as a hater. I just don't have much faith in him.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not sure it's good for the Browns, though, for him to be good. They need to pick another quarterback, probably.

[Drew Franklin]

And it would show if he really is good.

[Matt Jones]

Why?

[Drew Franklin]

Why did you have him in the back of the room?

[Matt Jones]

But Dylan Gables played okay.

[Drew Franklin]

He's been perfectly fine. I mean, he's not doing anything great stink. He's just getting by like a rookie should, so.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we'll see. It is a shame, though, that, like, clearly players like to mock him. I mean, every time they would stop him, they would do his little watch his. That's not going away like that. That's not going anywhere. That's going to keep happening. What's next?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Two pieces of news out of the NFC South. First, Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Penck is now out for the season.

[Matt Jones]

He's Kirk Cousins, for your money.

[Billy Van Dyke]

That's right. Get your money up. Kirk, he had a knee injury. He's going to require surgery. So Michael Penck is out. Kirk Cousins starting against the Saints this week. And the Carolina Panthers, big week for Bryce Young, who had a career passing day franchise record in passing yards. The Panthers are six. And oh, when they win the coin toss this year. And oh, and when they lose the toss.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Matt Jones]

Wait a minute. Okay, those are two. I don't know why you connected those.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, you slid right into that fact.

[Matt Jones]

You went from Michael Pinnock's is out for the year to the coin toss.

[Billy Van Dyke]

NFC South, NFC South.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, let's at least start with Pinnock's. That's it's bad news for the Falcons because again, they have another situation where you need to figure out if that guy's good in his second year. And they're not going to know. So they're going to have to probably bring him back to start for the third year. And I don't know if they know if he's good or not. Right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And if he's out, you know where they like three and seven probably going to finish the bottom of division. You're going to be in a great spot for a good draft pick most likely, but you got a very high paid quarterback. Uncertainty still out on.

[Matt Jones]

So that, that, that does not work out well for the Falcons who have kind of been really fraudulent this year. So the Panthers have won the coin toss and they're six and oh when they win and oh and five when they don't.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

What a fascinating statistic. What do you make of that? Anything.

[Drew Franklin]

Just.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it can't be. I mean that's. The odds of it being random are way too high. So what is it?

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know. But I'm going to be watching their game and if they win the toss, I'm live betting immediately on them for them to win.

[Matt Jones]

Has anyone ever studied whether or not deferring and getting the ball in the second half? How much of a statistical advantage is that? Because I am of the argument that it has to be a statistical advantage that's at least somewhat significant because you are going to at worst get the same amount of possessions and at best you're going to get one more possession. So I've always believed that getting the ball in the second half is an advantage. But has it ever been studied?

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know the number. I would think there's got to be something out there because that's been a.

[Matt Jones]

Talking point forever and see if it has been studied because I tend to think. Because the thing about if you play on the first half, team gets first ball. If it comes out that they end up with one more possession, then that'll be made up in the second half. But if they end up with equal possessions, then in the second half the team is going to get one more possession.

[Drew Franklin]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

And then you also have the chance to double up, right? You got that chance which there's always a momentum thing.

[Drew Franklin]

How many times we see a team down 10 or something, get a little score right for half and you're getting the ball right back. The only time you know, if you got a high powered offense and you know it's going to be a shootout and you just want to go in and make a statement right away, you might consider it. But now you should always play.

[Matt Jones]

Teams should do in overtime now with the new rules. Cause it's always been the case that like you would take the ball in overtime, but now that you're guaranteed a possession in college you always want to go second. Do you want to go second in the NFL there is the 10 minute clock that's that, that's a variable which is the first, the first team could use up most of the clock and.

[Drew Franklin]

A lot of times they are, if they're, they're able, they start slowing it down.

[Matt Jones]

So if you're a coach, what are you doing there in NFL?

[Drew Franklin]

Give me the ball. And as we've seen just a couple weeks ago, if, even if I'm fourth down on the goal line, I'm trying to punch in a touchdown because then they have to go 90 something wherever I am, they have to go the length of the field, go for two.

[Matt Jones]

On you, the other team. So if you go first, you're opening up the possibility that they go for two and just try to beat you and that you can't answer.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just trying to get that first strike. And like you said and teams are doing this, once you get in range, you are milking that clock as, as best you can.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I don't like the 10 minute clock. I have to tell you. I think they should go to feel too short. I think if you went, I think if you went to 15, then you don't worry about the milk in the clock. And then I think teams would always take the ball second. Probably.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. We've had a couple ties this year where the team just needed a few more minutes to be a field position.

[Matt Jones]

Issue with going second because you could get pinned on like the one.

[Drew Franklin]

That's right. What were the teams just recently had a fourth down. They could have easily kicked the field goal, but they went for it because that was their logic. Like, okay, you're gonna have to go 99 yards if you stop me. And there's only a couple minutes left in this game.

[Matt Jones]

Have you found anything on this?

[Billy Van Dyke]

No, but I did find an interesting stat that prior to 2008, 99% of teams would select receive. So the strategy has drastically changed since then.

[Matt Jones]

Prior to 98, 2008, 99%.

[Drew Franklin]

99%.

[Matt Jones]

And then what's the number now?

[Billy Van Dyke]

I don't have that still.

[Matt Jones]

Well, what if it's still 99? That wouldn't be very good statistic.

[Billy Van Dyke]

But I mean obviously it's not because most teams defer.

[Drew Franklin]

Interesting.

[Matt Jones]

That is interesting.

[Drew Franklin]

I would have guessed that high.

[Matt Jones]

I wouldn't have either. So you're just saying like somebody in 2008 figured it out and everybody was like, why didn't we think of that?

[Drew Franklin]

Is there like an email that went.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Out to everyone.

[Matt Jones]

We should do first? Well, that's crazy.

[Drew Franklin]

Which coach was that? I Try to learn all your accents. That sounded like Mike McCarthy.

[Matt Jones]

It was Mike McCarthy.

[Drew Franklin]

He was like, no, that's Tim Allen.

[Matt Jones]

Similar sound. All right, well, maybe somebody can send us a message about the statistics. I have to think there's some advantage to deferring at this point.

[Marcus Grant]

Foreign.

[Colin Coward]

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[Marcus Grant]

Hey y', all, it's me, your man, M.G. marcus Grant.

[Billy Van Dyke]

And I'm Michael F. Florio. And I'm Laquan Jones.

[Marcus Grant]

If you're looking to win your fantasy football league, you need to tune in to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. It's right there in the name. Every week, Florio, LQ and I bring you the latest news from around the league league. We break down every matchup, give you our analysis and advice so you know who to start, sit, drop and trade to bring that championship trophy home.

[Drew Franklin]

I just want to remind everyone how good Rasheed Rice was last season. In these three healthy games he was the wide receiver.

[Matt Jones]

Two in fantasy I think Rasheed Rice.

[Drew Franklin]

Just goes off this week. The Chiefs come on a flip pass.

[Matt Jones]

To Rice near side. Touchdown.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Ramandre Stevens is my sleeper this week. This is a matchup where I think I can see slide in Stevenson in my flex position and he could deliver double digit points this week.

[Matt Jones]

Drake takes the snap, hands it off, Ray running it right and running into the end zone. Touchdown.

[Marcus Grant]

It's never too late to turn your fantasy season around. Subscribe to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Hey, what's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks. If you love breaking down football from every angle, you're in the right place. Every week on Move the six, Bucky Brooks and I dive deep into the game from X's and O's to the front office moves shaping the league.

[Drew Franklin]

We kick things off with Brian Baldinger breaking down what really went down on Sunday.

[Matt Jones]

It is as good a timing, rhythm offense as there is in the league right now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Then Rhett Lewis joins us for our rookie draft and Coordinator of the Week, where we highlight the rising stars and the masterminds calling the shots. DJ talked me into a Ronde Gadsden Jr.

[Drew Franklin]

He had a monster game.

[Matt Jones]

Monster.

[Drew Franklin]

A monster game.

[Matt Jones]

And you hear from the voices who actually build the game game, GMs, coaches and players who give you insight you.

[Drew Franklin]

Won'T get anywhere else.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

High standards and high care. That's the right combination. So whether you're studying tape or just love great football talk, subscribe to Move the sticks on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Cam Jordan]

What's up? It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars from the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment about anything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season. The season of More on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Billy Van Dyke]

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[Matt Jones]

Do more with your day.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Try them for [e-mail].

[Matt Jones]

What's next?

[Billy Van Dyke]

New York Giants running back Cam Scatterboo is under some criticism recently. He is obviously out for the season with a severe ankle injury, but he was spotted at Monday Night Raw. Monday night recovering from a major. Excuse me. He was at Monday Night Raw and he was doing a scripted bit where he was pushing around one of the wrestlers.

[Matt Jones]

Do not say wrestling is scripted. That's the kind of thing they'll get you smacked across the face by a wrestler. It is not scripted. All right. He was with. He was not doing a bit. He was a fan of the wrestling.

[Drew Franklin]

And got caught up in the moment.

[Matt Jones]

Got caught up in the moment. And yeah, they didn't arrest him like they would most fans who entered the fray, but nevertheless, keep going.

[Billy Van Dyke]

He became a part of the spectacle.

[Matt Jones]

There we go. I like that.

[Billy Van Dyke]

That's a better way to put it, he said afterwards. If you don't like that I'm having a good time while I'm dealing with a tough time, then just go ahead and unfollow and casually move on.

[Matt Jones]

He wants me to casually move on. Well, I'm going to move on, but not casually. All right. 2 thoughts about this he was with. You said a comedian. He was with Andrew Schultz. When did that guy. How did that guy get famous? Andrew Schultz was not someone that was in my life until about two years ago and now I see him all the time and his podcast is huge. How did he get famous?

[Drew Franklin]

I'm with you. I know he's famous. He like sells out the Garden for his show, which is pretty hard to do for comedian, but I don't know famous. I don't know what the. What flipped it for him.

[Matt Jones]

I know he has the podcast and it's called like Raw Face or something, but. But I don't know. And it's. And he just looks to have like. He looks like he just picked a bunch of stoners off the street in New York and they sit with him. But what made. How did his podcast become a thing?

[Drew Franklin]

This seems like something you would know, Billy. Do you listen to him?

[Matt Jones]

I feel like you feels like to me this would be someone you follow.

[Drew Franklin]

Really.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Just clips. But I mean you see a lot of stand up comedians doing the podcast game.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but he though like almost everyone else. That's big. I think they had a career before the podcast. I don't know what he did. Was he on a show?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Numerous MTV and MTV2 shows.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, if he's on MTV2, including Guy Code. Never heard of it.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Guy Court.

[Matt Jones]

Big on the Guy things.

[Drew Franklin]

Girl Code. There's no way this is his start.

[Matt Jones]

He was on Guy Code and Girl Code.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Guy Code, Guy Court and Girl Code. And Jobs that Don't Suck.

[Matt Jones]

I've never heard of any that Singled Out. We could show him that.

[Billy Van Dyke]

No, I don't see it.

[Drew Franklin]

Chris Hardwick. Was that that guy's name?

[Matt Jones]

What's the name of his podcast? It's like Rough Edge or something.

[Billy Van Dyke]

The Brilliant Idiots.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think that's what it's called.

[Billy Van Dyke]

With fellow MTV personality Charlemagne. Tha.

[Matt Jones]

God, no. I mean, I've seen him with him, but that's not the name of his show.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Schultz also hosts Flagrant.

[Matt Jones]

Flagrant. That's the name of it. Flagrant. And he had Trump on during the election. Well, anyway, point is he's there. Was there an explanation of why he and Scatterbow are hanging out?

[Drew Franklin]

No, it's all part of this new boys club that just seems to go to UFC in wrestling.

[Matt Jones]

That's true. They did. They do all that.

[Drew Franklin]

The Avon is always at one of them.

[Matt Jones]

The manosphere of which Billy wishes he would be invited, but they don't let him because of his shoes.

[Drew Franklin]

Scatter Booze. He's on like a quite the tour since getting injured. I will say, I don't you think.

[Matt Jones]

This was wrong of him to do?

[Drew Franklin]

Normally, I would say no, but when watching it, my brain was going, don't you have a bum ankle?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Because did they.

[Matt Jones]

Did they rep wrap?

[Drew Franklin]

We couldn't see it behind the thing.

[Matt Jones]

Normally, I would not care. I'm with you. Normally, I would say, let the man live. He doesn't have to just sit at home and crochet. But he gets pushed and falls backwards.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. If he plants on that and furthers the injury, what do the Giants have to say about that?

[Matt Jones]

And if he has a bum ankle, he's standing up. So I kind of. If I was a Giants fan or a Giants person, I might be a little bit frustrated by it.

[Drew Franklin]

He went to UFC at the Garden and almost looked like he was in costume, having a good time. Whatever. He stayed in his seat. But the.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The shoes.

[Drew Franklin]

In costume, he had on the, you know, the glasses that are cool now that we can never pull off and his hair slick back. And, you know, he.

[Matt Jones]

He was doing that whole thing.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't. I don't even know how I describe that look. You know, the glass, the big, like, triangle sunglasses. He's wearing them indoors.

[Matt Jones]

Like Elton John.

[Drew Franklin]

He looked exactly like Elton John. Okay, that's fine. But, I mean, when they got to shoving, my brain was like, where is your ankle right now? Is someone looking out for. If you have to, you know, backwards.

[Matt Jones]

The shoving surprised me. So I actually think it's legitimate for people to say he shouldn't have done this. Do you, Billy?

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah, he doesn't. I mean, he needs to be arrested out there.

[Drew Franklin]

He needs to be arrested.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, that feels a little strong.

[Billy Van Dyke]

No resting. Not arrested.

[Drew Franklin]

Said arrested.

[Matt Jones]

I thought you said arrested, too.

[Drew Franklin]

Abdel Carter should be arrested on record.

[Matt Jones]

To say he should not be arrested for it.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you see his teammate, Abdul Carter, the rookie that I wanted with the Titans? He shoved one of the wrestlers, and I think the wrestler landed 100 yards away.

[Matt Jones]

That was a Dominic Mysterious or. No, it was Finn Balor. And he literally, I think, flew up in the air and with it. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know if he was selling that or if Carter really just threw him across the room.

[Matt Jones]

Ballard drew a bad straw in that. Cause he's the littlest guy, and he got Abdul Carter. Give me Andrew Schultz. Yeah. When we're dividing who we're going to fight, I'm going to take Andrew Santino. Not. Not Abdul Carter.

[Drew Franklin]

So where does Scatter Pop up next.

[Matt Jones]

He's done you.

[Drew Franklin]

He's doing all kinds of side missions.

[Matt Jones]

He's done WWE cock fighting.

[Drew Franklin]

Do they have that up there? Was he at the Champions Classic last night fighting? Oh, he looks like the type that would go to the, the slap fight. I wouldn't want to get slapped by him.

[Matt Jones]

You know, one of some people who don't know from other places. I'm part owner of a wrestling company. We have. We have a woman who does the slap fighting. She says it takes a lot of practice.

[Drew Franklin]

It's weird when they just like there's out cold, like, yeah, I'm just gonna get up here and let you know.

[Matt Jones]

Why I want to watch it. I'll watch her because I'm. I'm pulling for. You may remember Haley J. From from Wrestlers on Netflix.

[Drew Franklin]

But.

[Matt Jones]

But I don't like it. It doesn't really appeal to me.

[Drew Franklin]

But I guess for where Campbell be.

[Matt Jones]

Next, I could see Scatterbo doing it, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Oh yeah. I really. If we were setting odds, I think that's where he pops up next.

[Matt Jones]

Or he might be appointed director of the FBI.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Just hope he doesn't get arrested now.

[Matt Jones]

Just. Just saying what's next.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah, let's keep it rolling with the Bills. Josh Allen had a heck of a game that we were at. He had six touchdowns, including three on the ground. That makes 75 career rushing touchdowns for Josh Allen. And with one more rushing touchdown, he will break the all time record for the most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in their career. Cam Newton is currently tied with him at 75.

[Matt Jones]

He's not. He's going to obliterate that record. Right? Like he's not only going to break it, I mean he's going to set it where like nobody ever gets it right.

[Drew Franklin]

Can be hard to touch.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, how many. If he's got what, 75 now? Now presumably he'll get less as he gets older because he won't want to run it quite as much. But how many think he ends up with 125, 140.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean he's getting at least 10 a season. I think he's got 10 right now with a lot of football left.

[Matt Jones]

How old is he? He's like 28.

[Drew Franklin]

He's pretty young. 29, as we saw just being there Sunday when he had three. I mean he just. When they get down in the red zone, he can just get in so easily. At three rushing touchdowns in that game.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think these guys like him and Mahomes and Lamar, are they going to Age like, I mean, Brady was unique, but even like a Matthew Stafford who's able to play very effectively to 37, 38. Or do you not think those guys will be able to do it? I mean, this is what future we have this idea of quarterbacks can now play to be really old. But can quarterbacks like that?

[Drew Franklin]

I would lean. No. But you mentioning Stafford going into this season, people question if Stafford still had it in and they're bringing up his back. He had a couple other run.

[Matt Jones]

I'm talking about guys who like run and take hit like those guys do.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I mean, I guess Allen's so big, I guess he is taking hits. Even though sometimes it looks like he's the one doing hitting of the group. Lamar, especially recently, he would be a little more injured prone and he's taking more of hits than Mahomes and Allen.

[Matt Jones]

Mahomes clearly wants to take no hits, although he'll slide.

[Drew Franklin]

Allen will run through you.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Allen's got to start. He'll have to stop doing that.

[Billy Van Dyke]

They also protect quarterbacks differently now. Roughing the passers a lot different. And despite them being running quarterbacks at times, you know, they are more protected on passing plays.

[Matt Jones]

They are. No, they are. But even just not just like getting hit, part of the skill that you have to be able to run like that is going to diminish as you age. The skill of throwing a ball. Presumably you keep longer than the skill of being able to run and outmaneuver a linebacker, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, especially the Lamar type where he's a little more quickness and elusive than the other two.

[Matt Jones]

But even, but even, I mean, even Josh Allen, I mean, how many guys 35. Do you see outmaneuvering a linebacker? That's 25.

[Drew Franklin]

Probably not a lot, not many.

[Matt Jones]

Still though, I think he'll end up with like, if you say he's got 75 now, just if you had to guess, I'm gonna say 125.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. I'm thinking like it's 15 a season.

[Matt Jones]

You know, I mean, but for how many years?

[Drew Franklin]

I'll say, say he's got five more years at 15 a season. Then we might start turning down. So add 75 more.

[Billy Van Dyke]

I would take the over on 125. So 140.

[Matt Jones]

All right, good deal. What's next?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Oh, by the way, it's Bills at Texans Thursday night. C.J. stroud ruled out Davis Mills 2 and.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, 2 and O. Davis Mills. I'm worried about my Bills and running.

[Matt Jones]

To Davis Mills, third best Stanford quarterback. Not Named Jim Plunkett.

[Drew Franklin]

Are we still saying third at some point? Number two. He can play his way into it.

[Matt Jones]

Got him go a beating Luck.

[Drew Franklin]

Luxor1. Is it Luck, Plunkett, or who was our three that we included? Okay, so is Elway. But we kicked Luck out.

[Matt Jones]

No, I had Elway, Luck, Plunkett.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

But we kicked Plunkett out for Mills. Okay. Are you ready to kick Luck out?

[Drew Franklin]

He's pushing for number two. Sorry, I forgot our original three. There's just so many Stanford quarterbacks, but it's hard to argue. He's won two games since we played this game with David Smith.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's our Thursday night game. I'm picking the Texans to win. I think Bill's. Bill's had a tough game. They're flying Thursday nights. Better for home teams. I'm going to take the Texans. What about you?

[Drew Franklin]

I did get a picture from the airport in Houston this morning, and there were bills f. Everywhere. A friend down in Texas is like, are you. Any of these people? Couldn't make it, but it looks like Mafia is going to show up.

[Matt Jones]

Do we know if Ted Cruz is coming?

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know if he is.

[Matt Jones]

I got the Bills.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm rolling with the Bills.

[Matt Jones]

He's got, like, a crazy curse record. I mean, have you seen his record?

[Billy Van Dyke]

No. Is he like Drake?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, it's worse. It's. It's like insane. Every time he shows up, the team loses.

[Drew Franklin]

So if. Even if you liked him, if. If you knew there was a celebrity kind of like, meow Mix, like, get out of here.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

No, like there's pressure on you. Yeah. Yes. No, for sure. I mean, if I knew the president was my fan and he was causing me to lose, I would say, stay away, sir.

[Drew Franklin]

I think every time I've gone to a Titans playoff game, it's the one they lost. So maybe I'm that for the Titans.

[Matt Jones]

You and Kenny Chesney are the. Are the Jinxins for the Titans. Who do you have in this one?

[Drew Franklin]

The Bills.

[Billy Van Dyke]

I think they get it done. I see a tweet where the Astros are 05 in home playoff games attended by 10 groups.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And then I think there was another one. Houston basketball. I think when they were number one, their first loss was. And he was there. So. Yeah, I would. I would tell him not to come.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

And he actually should feel that, like at some point you have to be self aware that I just keep. Maybe it's me. I keep walking into the stadium and then they lose.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I think that's I think that's an issue.

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[Billy Van Dyke]

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[Drew Franklin]

I just want to remind everyone how good Rasheed Rice was last season. In these three healthy games he was the wide receiver.

[Billy Van Dyke]

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[Drew Franklin]

We kick things off with Brian Binger breaking down what really went down on Sunday.

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What's next?

[Billy Van Dyke]

A quick look at the playoff picture. After the Chiefs lofts to the Broncos last week, they are now 5 and 5 and on the outside looking win. Which is interesting because the Chiefs have won nine straight AFC west titles. That is the second longest streak ever. The first longest streak is the New England Patriots from 2009 to 2019. That's 11 straight years of winning their division.

[Matt Jones]

Well, they're not winning their division. I think they're going to make the playoffs, but they're not winning the division. Wouldn't you agree?

[Drew Franklin]

No, they're not winning the division.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, right now they're, right now they're in ninth place. So here's the question. Buffalo is the five seed right now. Kansas City is ninth, Baltimore 10th. In between Buffalo and Kansas City and Baltimore are the Chargers, Jacksonville, Houston. Then There's Pittsburgh at 6 and 4. It is hard to imagine a playoff without both Buffalo, Kansas City and Baltimore. So Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore or Pittsburgh Chargers? Jacksonville. Of those six teams, what three are getting it? It.

[Drew Franklin]

Getting it. I'm. I'm starting to put the Chiefs on the out in Baltimore in. I think it's crazy to say the Chiefs could not be in the playoffs, but I think we might be heading that direction.

[Matt Jones]

Pittsburgh's going. Pittsburgh's ahead in the division, so Pitt. So for Baltimore to win, they need to. Yeah, they need to take out Pittsburgh. So chances are it'll either be Baltimore or Pittsburgh. So it's basically Chargers, Houston or Kansas City. And Buffalo. Buffalo. So two. Three of those five will make it. Which three Chiefs got an easy schedule. If you look at it, they play the Colts this week, but then it gets really easy the last few weeks. They play like your Titans. They play a lot of bad teams at home. So they got a tough game this week. But then I. Then it starts to get a little easier.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm leaning both AFC south teams, which sounds crazy.

[Matt Jones]

You're leaning Jacksonville and Houston.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Chargers looked really bad last week against Jacksonville.

[Drew Franklin]

Chargers are falling rapidly.

[Matt Jones]

I'm going to say Buffalo makes it, Kansas City makes it. And then, you know, let's look at Jacksonville schedule. Jacksonville plays Cardinals, Titans, Colts, Jets, Broncos, Colts, Titans gets tough at the end.

[Drew Franklin]

But I know they have two against the Titans. Those are automatic.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, they have two against the Titans and the jets, so that's three wins. You feel pretty good about them getting that gets them the.

[Drew Franklin]

That's why I was considering them, because the schedule that's left, I didn't. I didn't know they had the Broncos and a couple of tough games in there, but then they had a couple more against the Titans.

[Matt Jones]

They got the Colts twice, though.

[Drew Franklin]

That's tough.

[Matt Jones]

I'm going to say Jacksonville makes it, so I'm going to say Kansas City and Jacksonville and Buffalo are the three that make it now in the nfc, the Bears are seven and three. The, the, the. The division leaders are Philly, Rams, Bears, Tampa Bay. The wild card, Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco. Right now, Detroit would be out. And then there's Carolina to the Bears hold off. Green Bay and Detroit win the division. They're currently up a half a game.

[Drew Franklin]

I got Detroit out, and I might.

[Matt Jones]

Have out of the playoffs.

[Drew Franklin]

Might even pick them in the super bowl before the year started.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so here's who they play.

[Drew Franklin]

Bears and packers both get in.

[Matt Jones]

They play the Giants, the Packers, the Cowboys, the Rams, the Steelers, the Vikings and the Bears. They have a hard schedule. The Lions.

[Drew Franklin]

Is that Bears? The last game of the year.

[Matt Jones]

That could be for a playoff.

[Drew Franklin]

That's my pick. That's to get in.

[Matt Jones]

Green Bay plays Vikings, Lions, Bears, Broncos, Packers, Ravens, Packers. So they had pretty tough. They've got a hard. And then you look at the Bears, they go Steelers, Eagles, packers, browns, packers, 49ers lines. The Bears have a hard one, too. All those teams from the NFC north have a hard schedule.

[Drew Franklin]

And depending what you think of the Steelers, Bears might have an advantage if it's Mason Rudolph instead of Aaron Rodgers, and Rogers comes back playing with well.

[Matt Jones]

And the 49ers on the other hand, have Panthers, Browns, Titans. But then they finish Colts, Bear, Seahawks. They have a tough three, but they get the Titans and the Browns.

[Drew Franklin]

It's just so weird to be week 12 and we're debating will the Lions, Bills, Chiefs, Ravens be in the playoffs? Who would have had that to start the year?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, the Panthers schedule's tough, too, down the stretch. So really, any of those teams can make it. It. All of them kind of have hard schedules. You're going to. You're going to have to earn it in order to. To get in the one seed. You like Philadelphia or the Rams to get it.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Give me the Rams.

[Drew Franklin]

Philly.

[Matt Jones]

I'm going to go Philly. And then Denver, New England and the Colts are all tied.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, Philly. I'm trying to play out their schedule.

[Matt Jones]

England schedule. New England schedule is. Is Bengals, Giants, Bills, Ravens, Jets, Dolphins.

[Drew Franklin]

I said Philly because they still have two games against the Commanders. Think they have another against Dallas. Yeah, the Raiders, they. They have a pretty easy schedule. They've played their tough game, toughest games already.

[Matt Jones]

New England's going to be the one seed, and I don't even think they're good. I don't. I don't think they're good that they have had the easiest schedule. They're the New England patsies when it comes to their schedule.

[Drew Franklin]

Schedule beat the Bills.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Is it think. Is it because you think Drake May is Daniel Jones?

[Matt Jones]

No, I just don't think they've played. I mean, who have they beaten? Okay, you mentioned they did win that game at the Bills.

[Billy Van Dyke]

The Bucks beat the.

[Drew Franklin]

At the Bucks and at the Bills.

[Matt Jones]

But then their other wins are Jets, Falcons, Browns, Titans, Saints, Panthers. They lost to the Steelers and Dolphins.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, those aren't strong outside of the Bills.

[Matt Jones]

They beat the Bills and Bucks, but the Bills have a chance to beat them back. So really it's just your stinking Bucks who ended up screwing it up, right? Yeah.

[Billy Van Dyke]

And the Bucks have their own issues. The Panthers are only a half a game back, too, so.

[Matt Jones]

All right, what's next?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah, this is the final news note that I have. The Saints are expected to play a game in Paris as early as 2026. It'll be the eighth international market for the NFL.

[Matt Jones]

Are they picking that because of the sort of French?

[Colin Coward]

I think so.

[Drew Franklin]

Makes sense.

[Matt Jones]

Juma Pelle, New Orleans.

[Drew Franklin]

Fleur de Lis.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, the Fleur de Lis. That's exactly right. I think I saw they Were going to have special French uniforms.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Oh, nice.

[Matt Jones]

I think. Which means the players are going to have to wear berets.

[Drew Franklin]

That'd be great. Instead of guardian helmets, caps. Just put a big beret on top.

[Matt Jones]

Of their helmet and they're going to all have, like, an easel that they paint off of when they run their plays. When 20. What year?

[Billy Van Dyke]

It's as possibly as early as next year, but it has not been announced yet. Expecting an announcement in the coming weeks.

[Matt Jones]

They do not care about football in Paris at all. I mean, some of those. We talked about it. Some of these European spots, like in Germany and England, there are football fans in Paris. There are not. They've tried to put the European league teams in Paris and they just can't get by to care. I don't know that having the Saints will. Will matter, but maybe people in New Orleans who feel like a French connection, they'll want to come.

[Drew Franklin]

I get the French connection. But when we're going into these new countries to grow the game, sometimes I am like, why are we sending these teams? We should be sending our best to show off the product, not Tyler Shuck.

[Matt Jones]

I. I don't like the controversy. I don't like Paris. You know, I like Europe. I'm not one of these people. I want you leaving this country in the world. Like, I mean, I like going places. I don't like Paris.

[Billy Van Dyke]

What was wrong with it?

[Matt Jones]

I like France. But Paris, first of all. So it's the most expensive city on earth and people just hate you for being there. Like, no one in Paris wants you there. Like, get out of here, all of you. And the food is foo foo. So, like, it's not for me. All they're doing is drinking coffee at all times.

[Drew Franklin]

That's pretty good.

[Matt Jones]

The art is the only. The art is great. I do like going to Lou and things like that.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Is it not the city of love? Could you not feel it in the air?

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I guess I've never been on a romantic genre when I was there. Maybe that would make a difference. I've been solo traveling usually, but I don't. It's. It's. Of the major cities, it's my least favorite.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, we're heading there. We're growing the game. You say it's eight now? Eight.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah. That'll be the eighth international market. They're also expecting Australia to be added.

[Drew Franklin]

That.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, we talked about that. Well, I mean, if they want to send us, I'll go.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Flower miles up and get my pass.

[Matt Jones]

The only. They do have Good. Like tariffs. Tart.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Tart.

[Drew Franklin]

Just tart.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, like French bread and, and, and tart. And what do you call them with the fruit, you know. You know what I'm talking about?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, Billy, you know, fruit trays. Veggie trays.

[Matt Jones]

No, like when you have pastry and it has fruit in it, it's like strudel.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Actually, never mind. But anyway, pop Tart back. Very fancy. Brown sugar arts. That's right. All right, so let's do our picks. It is time for the Liberty Mutual bundle. This is where we pick three games as our three picks. You know, Liberty. The Liberty Mutual victory bundle. So pick our three for victories. I'm sitting here looking at the schedule. We're going to go three. We're going to make it a little harder because we've been winning too much. It's actually not true. But we're. We're going to pick against the spread. I'm going to first. I'm my first one. I'm going to take the Texans plus six tomorrow night. You give me. I mean, I think they're going to win the game. So you give me plus six. That's a. That's a Liberty Mutual victory bundle if I've ever heard it. What about you?

[Drew Franklin]

I'm tempted to take the Titans plus 13 and a half.

[Matt Jones]

Stop.

[Drew Franklin]

You don't want to do that. Such a huge spread in the NFL.

[Matt Jones]

You don't want to do that.

[Drew Franklin]

But we almost beat Davis Miller.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, we. You can't.

[Drew Franklin]

This is Liberty Mutual, 13 and a half points.

[Matt Jones]

Liberty Mutual 13. I want you to imagine when we're going to talk this to the advertising director of Liberty Mutual and they're going to say to you, like, you know, did you pick the Titans at plus 13?

[Drew Franklin]

Okay, I'll change. I have another one I like. It's your team. Bears. I'm a believer.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Drew Franklin]

Quarterback uncertainty. I think it's two. Two and a half. Three. Yep, two and a half. Especially two and a half if it's not at three yet. I'm locking it in now because that'll be higher on Sunday.

[Matt Jones]

It's on two and a half. All right, so you're going to go Bears, Texas, and then for the third one. Let's make sure we agree on it because I don't want to. Do you like?

[Drew Franklin]

I have another. I like. I'll see if.

[Matt Jones]

What do you like? What is it?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I can't keep bringing up teams. We know Eagles are at the Cowboys. It's only three and a half. The Cowboys have no Defense. Sad how bad the Cowboys defenses.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so Eagles three and a half. Bears two and a half. It's. And then the. The Texans getting six. That's going to be your Liberty Mutual victory bundle. Start your quote@liberty mutual.com. all right, before we go, Billy, you need to try to keep your Survivor League thing going. You are now in week 12 and still in. Read to me off the teams you've used.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yeah, so we.

[Matt Jones]

We. We just.

[Drew Franklin]

You.

[Matt Jones]

We're out.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Me?

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Billy Van Dyke]

The Royal week. The Jags, Cardinals, Bills, Indy, Casey, New England, Houston, Lac. That is who I've picked so far.

[Matt Jones]

You picked more than that. That's only like eight, right?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Well, we haven't done every week.

[Matt Jones]

We only missed one week. This is week 12.

[Billy Van Dyke]

I think we missed three weeks, but I have an easy pick this week.

[Matt Jones]

All right, go ahead.

[Billy Van Dyke]

It is the Seattle Seahawks on the road against the Tennessee Titans.

[Matt Jones]

Pretty easy one, right? I think you. I mean, I think you're going to get that one.

[Billy Van Dyke]

We have a sound strategy.

[Drew Franklin]

I've noticed.

[Matt Jones]

You just keep doing the Titans. We did not miss three weeks. I know.

[Billy Van Dyke]

We missed at least two.

[Drew Franklin]

We missed two. And that was two of the biggest upsets. I remember well, because I was already out. And you all would have been out if we had a done podcast.

[Matt Jones]

You've forgotten one. I would not have been out.

[Drew Franklin]

Billy. You're just doing the Titans every week, aren't you? I'm on to you.

[Billy Van Dyke]

I am. I have a. That's how you win these leagues, is you pick losers. You don't pick winners.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, they're a loser.

[Matt Jones]

All right, now it's time to pick our. Our touchdown score. Who went first last week? It's now, Todd, you got one and I didn't. So it's four. Four. Does you just have one?

[Drew Franklin]

I'm still sitting on one. Well, I don't know how I did last week.

[Billy Van Dyke]

I had Josh Jacobs that did not hit.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh. He got hurt even worse.

[Billy Van Dyke]

And Matt had Stefan Diggs that did not hit. So it is 4, 4, 1.

[Matt Jones]

4, 4, 1.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Can I go first here?

[Matt Jones]

Is it your turn to go first?

[Billy Van Dyke]

I don't know, but it's like, I.

[Drew Franklin]

Haven'T gone first in months. I know. I.

[Matt Jones]

He's behind. Let's let him go first.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, obviously, I'm going to take a receiver from the Seattle Seahawks. I guess I haven't even done JSN yet this year, so I'll just take him.

[Matt Jones]

So you're going to take Jackson, Smith and Jigba?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

All right.

[Drew Franklin]

I love You Titans.

[Matt Jones]

All right. I mean, that's a good pick. I'm going to go. So I guess I'll go next. No, Billy, actually, you're next. Go ahead.

[Billy Van Dyke]

I want to go quarterback and I have not picked Josh Allen yet. I think he breaks the NFL record against the Houston Texans Thursday night.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, okay, I'll take that one. So you've taken a wide receiver, you've taken.

[Drew Franklin]

You got running back.

[Matt Jones]

So I got to take a running back. I'm going to take Derek Henry playing against the Jets, 13 1/2 point favorite. Feel like he runs one hand.

[Drew Franklin]

This is the week we are all hitting it.

[Matt Jones]

Think so.

[Drew Franklin]

I like all three of those picks.

[Matt Jones]

Josh Allen, Derek Henry, and Jackson Smith and Jigba. That would be your NFL Cover zero Touchdown parlay.

[Drew Franklin]

Love it.

[Matt Jones]

Well, guys, I think. I think we did it again. We did a wonderful show. I think we hit all the right notes.

[Drew Franklin]

I just can't believe I felt it, too. We hit all the right notes.

[Matt Jones]

You don't. You think there were notes we didn't hit?

[Drew Franklin]

I think I like our predictions.

[Matt Jones]

I had a B major.

[Drew Franklin]

Did a great impersonation of. I think it was Mike McCarthy. Still haven't confirmed that, but it's good.

[Matt Jones]

You want me to defer.

[Billy Van Dyke]

You picked against the Bills, though. I thought this was a Bills podcast now.

[Matt Jones]

No. And Drew's getting too excited. I loved it, but we need to slow down. Plus, I bought three pieces of paraphernalia. That's too many. I'm already like, okay. I don't. Paraphernalia.

[Drew Franklin]

I think they call it merchandise. Apparel. Apparel.

[Matt Jones]

No. Paraphernalia.

[Billy Van Dyke]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

You don't think that's a word?

[Billy Van Dyke]

No, I know it's a word, but.

[Drew Franklin]

I, you know, you say, let's all go to the game and get some paraphernalia.

[Matt Jones]

Well, just because you all don't know complicated words. I've got some clothes. No, I got some Bills paraphernalia. Again, he doesn't say a lot. That's intelligent. All right, well, thank you all very much. We will see you Sunday. What's the Sunday night game? Are we gonna. Is it gonna be.

[Drew Franklin]

How are we gonna talk about Sunday night?

[Billy Van Dyke]

Is Bucks right? Rams.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. I got to. Big time.

[Matt Jones]

We're going to stay up for that one, so we will see you then. This is NFL Cover Zero. NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcast. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast gas.

[Drew Franklin]

What do you think makes the perfect snack?

[Matt Jones]

Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

[Drew Franklin]

Could you be more specific when it's cravenient?

[Matt Jones]

Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. p.m. I'm seeing a pattern here. Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Drew Franklin]

Crave, which is anything from AM pm.

[Matt Jones]

What more could you want? Stop by AM PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience ampm Too much good stuff.

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[Matt Jones]

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