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Drew Franklin
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Matt Jones
Company NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin, is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. All right, it is now time for episode 12 of NFL Cover Zero. Drew I actually thought today was a very compelling day of NFL action. I I enjoyed it. I watched all the red zone, even watched some actual games, like flipped it off red zone and watched the games sometimes. I actually thought it was a really, really good day to be a fan.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, thanks a lot, Billy. Ruined a great NFL day with your bucks. But today had a lot of games where I completely thought I knew the result in the third quarter and they flipped the script. So some exciting comebacks we'll get to really fun.
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Matt Jones
I think the last two or three weeks had kind of been not, not, not the most exciting finishes, et cetera, but you had that today. So the game of the day and maybe the game of the season in terms of importance is the Chiefs coming back and winning at home against the Colts. There's a part of me that wonders Chiefs win 23:20 in overtime. There's a part of me that wonders if the rest of the AFC was watching the end of that game and they're really, really mad at the Colts because I think the Colts had a chance to put the nail in the and essentially I think if the Chiefs lose today, they, their, their shot of making the playoffs is low and now they win, their schedule gets favorable after next week and I actually, you know, we may look back and say that into fourth quarter had a huge. Was a turning point of the season.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah. When I just said, you know, I wrote some teams off today thinking it was over. I had the Chiefs in mind about that third quarter. I'm thinking the dynasty is dead. They're going to miss the playoff this year. And I'm watching that game unfold even my homes in the fourth quarter with the ball. I just thought times have changed and that they're on the wrong end of that dynasty. But now the Chiefs, they're still chief in and having that fourth quarter magic.
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Matt Jones
Well, he didn't look like Mahomes until the fourth quarter. Like he, he, he just, he was off. There was that one play they were, you know, so they're down 11. They're driving to try to get it down to you know, at least cut it to a one score game. He has Kelsey wide open and he overthrows him by like 10 yards. And I saw that play and you. Because I don't question Patrick Mahomes, I'm, I'm picking Patrick Mahomes over anybody. And I saw that throw and that was like the first time that I've kind of gone wait a minute, maybe this isn't Patrick moments because Kelsey's actually looked really good this year. And, and I'm like you're miss you. You missed him and you missed him by a lot. They punt, hold Indianapolis, get it back and then they do what they do there at the end. But still there were a lot of chances for, for them to blow it you. They're first and goal from the two in regulation. They don't get in for a. They manage the clock perfectly, but they don't get in for a touchdown. And then they win it in overtime. But I do, I think the AFC is going to rue the day they didn't put the stake in them today.
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Drew Franklin
That's right. And you know, it's. It's still Mahomes, even though they have a great game. I don't think at a td had an interception, but you're thinking they're getting old and it might be the back end, but they still have some youth like Rasheed Rice. Had such a big game. I thought it was unfair.
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Matt Jones
And that saved a worthy catch. Yeah, that's the play of the year for the Chiefs. It's third and seven. You know, Mahomes gets pressured, he makes a good throw, but not a great throw. And Worthy has to adjust. And that catch, I think it'll be that. That could end up being the play of the year.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, it's two of the young guys that stepped up, helped him out. I thought it was unfair when the Chiefs were able to get both of those players. Kind of give Mahomes new younger weapons as Kelsey gets older, but also their defense stepped up. There was like several, maybe three or four straight three and outs for the Colts there as the chief.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, well, let me give you some stats here. Cause think this is, you know, it's easy to look at this game and go, well, the Colts blew it. But I actually think it's the opposite. I mean, I think the Chiefs dominated the game statistically. They ran 91 plays compared to 50 for. For, for Indianapolis in the second half. I think it was something like 45 to 12 in terms of a play differential. But they just couldn't convert in the red zone. So this would have been a game if the Chiefs had lost that. They really would have said we were the better team and we lost.
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Drew Franklin
I.
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Matt Jones
They could, you know, they had a terrible homes, had a terrible interception that they ran back. But the big stat for me is what you said about the defense. Last four possessions for the Colts. Three and out. All four possessions, only 12 plays. That's as good as mom's was. That's the difference in the game.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, those three and outs. And then just in total, Jonathan Taylor was a non factor. That's a guy we've been talking about. Could maybe be a running back that finally gets one good run.
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Matt Jones
Really? One good run.
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Drew Franklin
The whole game had 50 something yards. And as the game went on, I mean he was. They didn't really go to him they kind of left in Daniel Jones hands. I mean you've got a guy who's absolutely dominated this year. Last week he had like 250 yards on the ground and the Chiefs held him to 50, whatever today. So great all around performance by the Chiefs. Even though it was a little slow start, they turned it on both sides.
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Matt Jones
This was also only their second 1pm game all year. I mean they have had the most bizarre schedule in terms of the NFL. I mean they're showcasing them, put them on Netflix, put them on YouTube, you know, have Billy do a half naked dance before the game. I mean like they've done whatever they could do to make them the showcase event. They're playing on Thanksgiving at Dallas on Thursday, which is a crow now becomes a huge game and they're going to be going to Dallas on four days rest after a hard game. But I'd be interested if, if they keep this going and like you were to get one more. With this era of the Chiefs, people are just going to be so mad at stichting for some those play calls in the fourth quarter.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, big opportunity to put the nail in the coffin today. I think, you know, they don't win today. I don't think they make the playoffs.
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Matt Jones
No, I don't either.
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Drew Franklin
I was even thinking in that third quarter because I'd written them off. I was thinking back like, man, I wonder if Travis Kelsey, if they could have just won the super bowl last year, he steps away on top now they're going to limp out and not make the playoffs and what could be his last year. But then they flip the script and who knows, they might, they could go and do it again.
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Matt Jones
I loved it. It was, it also felt like a big game. You know, Tony Romo was doing Romo things, making sounds, trying to predict plays. He, he also, he was the master of hyperbole. He said the worthy catch was one of the best he'd ever seen. He also called a pass, offensive pass interference on Kelsey. I think he said it's the worst call in a decade, which is a strong, strong thing. It was a bad call. They, they called offensive pass interference and he didn't even touch the guy. He used the phra a little tushy which I thought was. Didn't know was a thing you could say, but they were, you know, Romo, it felt like a big game and the fact that it was at one o' clock was weird, but I'm, I really enjoyed it. For me, in terms of games I haven't attended, it was probably the most enjoyable game of the year.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, it's a lot of fun. And you're right about the one o' clock thing that should have been in the 4:30 window with all the chaos of witching hour because we had so many great ones in the one o' clock slot. But still a great game. And I, again, I, I think I wrote the Chiefs off earlier in the year. A few weeks after that third quarter today, I'm just done writing them off.
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Matt Jones
The chief prediction, you're going to see a headline like tomorrow or Tuesday that is going to say that the ratings for today, those two early games, are some of the best ever. The combination of. You get that Chiefs, Colts game in the early and then the fact that the Eagles and the Cowboys, which we'll get to, was so compelling at the end. I think this is going to end up being like a record ratings day for the, for the NFL. My Bears were probably in the, I don't know, the second most compelling game of the day against the Steelers. They end up winning 31, 28. They have. It's the exact opposite of last year. Last year they lost every way they could possibly lose, and now this year they're winning these games. I don't know. Masterful performance. Mason Rudolph had a chance at the end, had two chances because the Bears weren't able to get a first down and even though he played pretty well, wasn't able to do it. And my bears, bears are eight and three, which is crazy to me.
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Drew Franklin
18 out of nine, right?
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Matt Jones
Yeah. 18 out of nine and winning games that give me a heart attack. But they're winning. They usually don't.
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Drew Franklin
And you know, I don't know how Bears fans feel eternally, but Caleb Williams has been really great in this last stretch month, whatever. It's been three touchdowns today. I saw they're calling him Cardiac Caleb. I mean, he's very stupid.
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Matt Jones
Plays he had been. I mean, last year was characterized by. He would do something great, but then he would do something stupid. He's. He's cut those down.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, the, the. Ben Johnson has been great for him and all the pieces around him. And I, I gotta admit, I've never been a Bears guy. Not that I've been a hater. You know, they're just, they're just there. They're the Bears. They're your team. I've had a lot of fun watching them this year too, if I can. I've already bandwagon too many teams after our trip to Buffalo, but if you all get in the playoffs I'll be pulling for the Bears.
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Matt Jones
Well, I'm gonna go, I've decided if they make playoffs, especially if they're at home, but even if they don't, I think I'm gonna go just because I, I, I, I'm not going to go crazy and say like this is the start of an era. But it does feel like when you watch Caleb Williams, when you watch quarterbacks sort of build to be really good. This is kind of where they are in year two. Jaden Daniels, like fast forward last year, but then has taken a step back. But you know, last year the Bears were better than they were the year before. But you saw a lot of rookie pains and then this year they've started to. I mean the fact they're leading the division is nuts. I love that we beat Aaron Rodgers. I'm counting it as a victory over Aaron Rodgers. Even though he didn't play. I'm going to argue he was chicken for not playing because he knew the Bears were going to break that 13 game winning streak.
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Drew Franklin
I was about to ask you, did you enjoy. There's a few sideline shots. You know, Mason Rudolph wasn't that bad. He was fine.
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Matt Jones
He's fine. He's exactly like a guy named Mason Rudolph would play.
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Drew Franklin
But I know you had to feel something knowing Rogers had your number for a decade and would brag about it saying he owned Chicago and then he had to sit there and watch watch his Steelers take a loss. It's a big hit to them. Big win for the Bears and their standings and big hits of the Steelers.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean he, in my opinion, he's Owen1 as a quarterback against the Bears, you know, yeah, it's a different team and yeah, he didn't play but those are details. Right now he walks away with the L. Caleb Williams said that he admired Aaron Rodgers a lot and wanted to play against him and wanted to meet him and I guess didn't even get to meet him. But you know what, all the more reason Aaron Rodgers stinks. Caleb's the future. I just want Aaron Rodgers to go get his podcast on the Blaze network and go away.
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Drew Franklin
Is there anything on Rogers coming back or is that old man wrist is.
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Matt Jones
It just too much? I would think he plays next week. I mean next week. Now this sets up they'll play the Ravens. They're tied for first. That'll be for the north lead. I'm guessing he set out this week so that he could play next week. That would make a lot of sense.
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Drew Franklin
Well, I thought about you every time they showed him or talked about him because you had to deal with that guy for many years. Taking L's to the packers. And I want a big one today.
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Matt Jones
I mean, there's nobody I want. I mean, as much as I enjoyed winning, watching him lose, I think made me. Made me even. Even happier. So the. The big. The one story not about the game TJ Watt broke. I love how they characterized this. They said he. He broke the Watt record for sacks, which I feel like is an odd way to characterize that you passed your brother in sax. I mean, it's not like there's a tradition. I don't think there's somewhere I go the Watt sack record. I don't know how many his dad had or his. His cousins, but it is cool.
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Colin Coward
Bro.
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Matt Jones
He beat his brother's record with JJ on the call. I thought that was kind of nice.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, it's a little silly to frame it that way, but it also just shows how good the Wad brothers are that they can even paint the stat that way. I mean, they. They have been incredible. Both of them, not really highly recruited out of high school, kind of slid into the NFL and have been two of the best.
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Matt Jones
So let's. That made me. That had me thinking, okay, so what are the best brothers in sports? All right, so let's start with the NFL. Since this is ultimately an NFL podcast, I think you have to say the Mannings, obviously. Of course, with Peyton and Eli. Now you have the Watts. What other ones? Billy, you should google this because I'm sure we're not going to remember everybody. Okay.
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Drew Franklin
There's going to be. There's going to be much better than this group, but.
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Matt Jones
Izzy and Ozzy Dean or something is probably gonna be on the list. That's Devin.
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Drew Franklin
Devin and Jason McCourty. The core.
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Matt Jones
The.
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Drew Franklin
A great announcer. Why am I completely blanking on the running back from the Giants with Eli back in the. Oh, Barbers.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, yeah.
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Drew Franklin
Tiki and Ronde. Those two come to mind.
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Colin Coward
Sterling and Shannon Sharp was another one.
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Matt Jones
That's a good one. I don't think you're allowed to act like Shannon Sharp still is around. But. But yes, they. That is actually. Those are two hall of Famers. I mean, you got.
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Drew Franklin
There's two guys that have a. Podcasts. They're all right.
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Matt Jones
That's right. The Kelsey's are pretty good. That's a good point. Well, that's a good. I mean, think about you. We've just mentioned a bunch where both brothers are going to be in the hall of Fame. I mean, the Sharps are both in the hall of Fame. The Mannings are both in the hall of Fame. Are going to be the. The Watts are the. Are. I don't know. Are the McCourties? One of them will be. What about the other one?
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Drew Franklin
Unlikely.
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Matt Jones
No. Yeah. And then the Barbers, I would think. Which ones? Are either of them in? Are they both in? I never know who's in the NFL hall of Fame, to be honest with you.
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Colin Coward
I think Ronde got the honor, but I'm gonna. The Bosa brothers. You want to throw another one in?
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Drew Franklin
I've got a deep cut, too.
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Matt Jones
No, I mean, they definitely should be in there. Yes. The Bosa brothers. Who else?
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Drew Franklin
How many grammaticas were there?
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Matt Jones
I'm going back.
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Drew Franklin
I know there's a Bill and a Martin. Was there other grammaticas?
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Matt Jones
I think there was a Bill, wasn't there?
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, Bill and Martin, for sure. There might have been another one.
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Matt Jones
I like. I like Bill as. As the name. My name's Bill Gramatica. I like that we're naming these so easily.
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Drew Franklin
You know, there's a lot to be. So hard to make it the NFL. It seems like it's. It might be in the bloodline, a little bit of. One guy gets in. There's. We've named a lot of brothers.
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Colin Coward
We have.
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Matt Jones
Okay. And then I was thinking, all right, so baseball. You have. I feel like in baseball, one brother is a lot better than the other one. The other one kind of like gets dragged along. Joe and Dom DiMaggio. Dom is along for the ride. Cal and Billy Ripken. Billy's just known for having a cuss word on his bat.
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Drew Franklin
Oh, I have that card, like, right here.
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Matt Jones
Yes, I could present that. Jose and Ozzy Canseco again along for the ride. There are two long relievers named Rogers, Taylor and something. But do you. Can you think of others?
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, the Giambi brothers. One was a little better than the other.
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Matt Jones
That's right, The Gian. There you go. Jason. And what was the other one's name exactly?
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Drew Franklin
I remember Jason, but there was another one.
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Matt Jones
Jeremy. Jeremy was the other one's name.
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Drew Franklin
The best example for this in pro sports. I'm going to switch sports on you. But Giannis's brother just bounced around.
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Matt Jones
I love the nepotism of Giannis's brother. He got two brothers in the league. Like, that's pretty impressive when you go, listen, there are more Antimakos coming, and you're going to have to decide all of them, Every one of them.
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Drew Franklin
That's when you know you're good. I'm just bringing my whole family to.
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Matt Jones
The league trying to think. All right, so baseball, back to you got the Deans. Did Greg Maddox, his brother pitch? I think his name was like, I don't know. That may be right. Maybe. I just think everyone named Maddox is related to Greg. Basketball, you, I'm not counting the Ontoma Kupos. You had the two Collins twins. Right.
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Colin Coward
The Curry brothers.
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Matt Jones
I feel like basketball, there's not as many.
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Colin Coward
The Curry's, Steph Curry, Seth Curry.
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Drew Franklin
Oh yeah, that's another one. Seth. Seth was good but he got a little bit of a step again though in all these.
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Matt Jones
It feels like in football what your brother is, you kind of are too. You, you have like equal strength. But in these other sports, one brother is clearly carrying the other and the other's kind of like, like, well hello there brother. Like it feels like that doesn't happen in the NFL.
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Drew Franklin
How about, how about the ball family? One of them became a rapper but two of them made it. I don't know and I don't think.
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Matt Jones
Any of them are good enough that.
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Colin Coward
They count Jim and John Harbaugh in the league.
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Matt Jones
That's a good one. Jim and John Harbaugh. I'm trying. Robin Lopez, John and Patrick McEnroe. There you go again though. The Lopez's are kind of equal. That's that. Well no, Brooke was better than Robin. I just am impressed in the NFL that the. Until I get proof otherwise, brothers are equally good. So I would say if you were watch if you have an NFL player and he's good and his brother comes in the draft, if you like the one you have drew, go ahead and pick the other one because they're going to be equal.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, I mean we could do a whole list of NBA players where one's much better than the other. But you think about the Kelsey's hall of Famers, the Barbers. About the same. Accords are about the same. I would actually consider this. If I'm scouting a player, I want to look around the family tree and maybe add the brother too.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. So when Bill Mahomes enters the draft, I'm taking him at some point during it.
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Drew Franklin
Wait, so Pat Mahomes has a brother? Did you know, did nobody want to.
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Matt Jones
Draft Pat Mahomes brother?
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Drew Franklin
The Tick Tock.
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Matt Jones
Oh he does. Oh, the Tick Tocker. Yeah. Well now that in terms of talent, he is a notch below his brother.
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Drew Franklin
Foreign.
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Matt Jones
The Ravens beat We just said are going to play the the Steelers. The Ravens beat the Jets 23 to 10. They started very poorly, only 72 first half yards, but then came on the second half. They played against Tyrod Taylor, who I'm always overjoyed to be reminded is in the league. Ravens now five straight. They were odds on favorites to win the NFC north when they were one and five and now it looks like that ended up being the right decision.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, they just needed to hang on when they were so beaten and bruised a few weeks ago. As long as they can stay healthy. I mean they still have holes in their defense and problems here and there, but they can be a contender if they can just get through the regular season healthy.
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Matt Jones
Yeah Billy, I I have nothing on this game because I tried to stay away from it. You are always good at having information. Do you have anything I should care about about the Ravens and the Jets?
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Colin Coward
Well, Derek Henry scored a touchdown which helped our touchdown parlay at least for Drew.
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Matt Jones
Let's talk about you being the weak link on the touchdown parlay. Derrick Henry hit hits early so that's good. Jackson, Smith and Jigba hits early so that's good. But you had Josh Allen. We were out before we even started.
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Colin Coward
Yeah, that was a tough miss. I was hoping he'd break the all time record, but I'm glad Drew finally got his second one. He's starting to catch back up now.
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Matt Jones
So I have five, you have four.
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Drew Franklin
I don't want to pile on Billy, but Derek Henry had two and in jig bad too. We didn't just get in the end zone, we got in the end zone multiple times.
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Colin Coward
Well, you don't get double points for that, so you can just enjoy that.
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Matt Jones
By the way, we should note that loss by the Bills, the Texans. One person on this show called it. That was me calling the six point underdog money line. I was sweating it a little bit at the end, but that's a big win for the Texans and a big loss for the Bills, who by the way, at this point are, you know, could easily lose the wild card as well. They're, they're fighting with the Ravens, the Chiefs and three other teams for those wild cards.
- [26:24]
Drew Franklin
But I gotta admit, I think it's me. All of my football teams are so bad, I commit to the Bills and buy a hat and they lose to the Texans four days later. I, I think that one's on me. I'm sorry, Bill's mafia. Every, I mean, Kentucky, Titans, Bill, you name it. I can't have fun with football. So I felt partially responsible for that Thursday night. But that was a good call by you. And shout out to our boy Ray Davis, the reverse KSR curse on that scoring a touchdown.
- [26:50]
Matt Jones
Can we just, since we talked about Kentucky, can we just have just a second about, about Diego Pavi's mom during the game the other day? Like, I mean, if you haven't seen it, like if you're not, if you're an NFL fan and you haven't seen the college Diego Pavia's mom, I mean, first of all, they showed her a lot. That's, that's a different conversation. But in the second half, she seemed to be straddling a poll during the game and they put her on camera and I, I just, I just was thinking about my mother and the unlikeliness that that would happen with my mom versus Diego Pavia's mom. What did you, what did you make of that?
- [27:39]
Drew Franklin
Well, what I have to correct you, it didn't seem she was straddling a pole. She was straddling a pole by definition. I actually had a thought. Thank God this get game in close because if it goes to overtime enough to switch her to HBO time, they showed her, it was getting more and more provocative. Like at first she's just waving and then she's hiking a leg up. And then she was on that railing.
- [28:01]
Matt Jones
She was on it. Like she was on it.
- [28:04]
Drew Franklin
I noticed this. I think a call came in because after she was on the rail, they didn't show her again. Even when they honored him, brought him off for his ovation and he had broken the record. They didn't show her again after the poll. I think someone phoned him, was like, hey, we're done on. On Mama Pavia for the day.
- [28:19]
Matt Jones
Well, there was a security guard. If you go watch the video, there's a security guard standing behind her who has a look on his face that I need everybody to go see. It's like he thinks he got the best assignment at the game. Like he is. He is very, very happy. But that is a good point. They did not show her again. I am shocked that video has not gotten more attention. Like, that is one of the. I guess it was just because the game was 45, 10 and people weren't watching it. But that. But Diego Palme's mom, if he were an NFL prospect, that would be an interesting part of his draft highlight package. I just think that's. I just think that's worth noting. Salute to mom. That outfit too. Not something I could see my mom wearing. Knee high boots with short shorts and a jersey. I don't, I don't think my mom would ever wear that in public.
- [29:13]
Drew Franklin
And you know, the whole Theo Vaughan thing, he walked with her out for his scene.
- [29:17]
Matt Jones
For what. What is happening now. Like, it started as a joke and now I think he actually is part of the family.
- [29:26]
Drew Franklin
Like, they get the frame jersey in the photo. He. He's going to be in that family photo forever.
- [29:31]
Matt Jones
Yeah. I mean, that would be like, can you imagine if it was my senior day and I just walked out with Dana Carvey.
- [29:41]
Drew Franklin
And your mom with her high boots on.
- [29:43]
Matt Jones
It would be my mom, Larry and Dana Carvey. And like I would have that later in my life. People go, why is Dana Carvey at your senior day? And I go, I don't know.
- [29:54]
Drew Franklin
Poppy's brother wore a tuxedo. I mean, they were just.
- [29:57]
Matt Jones
I mean, did the family not coordinate their outfits? Tuxedo. I said knee high. I think they were tha high. You don't see those a lot. Certainly not. I mean, she's my age. I'm going to start wearing for Billy's wedding. All right. Patriots, Bengals, 26, 20. Joe. The Bengals, you could argue, outplayed the Patriots. Flacco with two interceptions, one of which was brutal. They were about to score. 14 point swing. Let me ask you, Flacco, after the game, seemed to be talking like his Bengals time and maybe even his career was over. He was talking about how grateful he was to have gotten to do this. Would you bring Burrow back? Probably.
- [30:47]
Drew Franklin
I know they don't have a lot. I know the risk.
- [30:52]
Matt Jones
Today. If they'd won today, I think there would be an argument because they'd be 4 and 7. And you could say, well, if you went out. But like, why, why now?
- [31:02]
Drew Franklin
I guess, I mean, you don't want to risk him. I know that. But I guess to throw the fans a bone. They're so upset with you. Like, all right, fine. Here he is. Let's go have some fun. That's the only reason. I'm just to get him back out there.
- [31:13]
Matt Jones
But if you get. But. But by the way, some breaking news. The Raiders have fired Chip Kelly as offensive coordinator. I didn't know he wasn't their offensive coordinator. So it'll be. I'm not really sad to see him go, but good luck to him.
- [31:27]
Drew Franklin
Added to our list of brothers, both getting fired. The Kelly boys getting fired how?
- [31:33]
Matt Jones
I don't think I ever realized Chip and Brian were brothers.
- [31:36]
Drew Franklin
Aren't they brothers? I make that up.
- [31:39]
Matt Jones
I think you just made that up.
- [31:40]
Drew Franklin
I always thought they were brothers or related somehow.
- [31:43]
Matt Jones
I mean, I don't think Jim Kelly's their brother too.
- [31:46]
Drew Franklin
Are you kidding me?
- [31:49]
Ryan Seacrest
I'm sorry.
- [31:50]
Drew Franklin
I'm thinking of R. Kelly and Brian. Kelly, Kelly.
- [31:54]
Matt Jones
Kelly from the wwe.
- [31:55]
Drew Franklin
I've always assumed Brian and Chip were related in something. Are they not related?
- [31:59]
Colin Coward
No, they're not at all.
- [32:00]
Matt Jones
We're related.
- [32:04]
Drew Franklin
They even look alike. I. I've honestly lived my whole life assuming they're related in something.
- [32:09]
Matt Jones
Oh, yeah, I like. I'm glad we got to correct that for you.
- [32:13]
Drew Franklin
You really believe that and not Jim either? Or are Jim or R or. Or Brian?
- [32:19]
Matt Jones
Well, there were a lot of injuries in this game. Bengals had three players hurt in three plays. Their season has been a complete disaster. I mean, everything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong. They lost a lot. You know, by the end of the game, Jamar Chase had been suspended. T. Higgins gets a concussion. There were just random guys playing wide receiver. They still had a shot. I mean, they still had a shot at the end of win. Drake May was awful. I'm sure it was weird. He was awful against like the worst defense in the league.
- [32:47]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, no, it would have helped if Jamar Chase hadn't been spitting on people last week and could have helped out in this game a little bit. Seeing your high paid receiver over there serving a suspension didn't help matters.
- [32:56]
Matt Jones
They're hanging there for the Patriots, by the way, because they also lose two offensive linemen, including Will Campbell. And Campbell's at least look like he won't be back this year.
- [33:03]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, that looked bad. And he's been great this year in his rookie season. This game also had those pick sixes not really back to back, but both very, very early each team. So it's kind of wild game to start. McPherson had a set of record for 63 yard field goal, but didn't even.
- [33:18]
Matt Jones
Look like he tried continuing my team up. We've got to do something about these balls they get. A guy should not be able to kick a 63 yard and it doesn't even look like he's given effort.
- [33:30]
Drew Franklin
Oh, not at all. But I mean that's Bengals fans have that to brag about. If they're gonna let it almost hit a 67 yard earlier this season.
- [33:37]
Matt Jones
If they're gonna let it be where they can kick it so far, then it needs to be like that one year in the World cup where the balls like all just would go crazy. They'd like move left and right. I don't remember why it was, but it was made out of like polyurethane or something and the balls like no one could figure out where they were going and they complained. But it actually made it really entertaining because sometimes they would be able to bend it. I think we got to make it to where these footballs have like super putty or something in them because they're not. The kicks are too easy.
- [34:07]
Drew Franklin
I'm just ready to accept it. Let's just start kicking 80 yarders, fire them up from the other side of the 50.
- [34:14]
Matt Jones
I don't think that's what the game is supposed to be, but you know, and at the same time though, in this era where you can kick them for so far, when they get up close, they refuse to kick. Like no one kicks ever, no matter what. Including like we'll talk about in the Cowboys game when a kick wins and they just don't. That's, it's, it's weird how that's worked. Seahawks beat the Titans. You said you didn't even watch it as a Titans fan.
- [34:39]
Drew Franklin
So ever since I've been able to get Sunday ticket, which has been a while since they've had it on YouTube TV, I have watched every Titans game, even when they stink. I'll put Red Zone on another tv, but I will make sure about Titans are in front of me in some form today. I didn't even bother. I can't remember the last time I've done that. Didn't even see a minute of it. I mean I kept up with it and when Red Zone would go to it, I'd see it. But as far as me watching my own team with a service I paid my hard earned money for, I didn't even bother to go to the channel.
- [35:08]
Matt Jones
Yeah, well, you saw it as actually one of their better games. They ran a punt. They had a chance. I mean they had, they had a shot at the end. They did cover. The story, I think, is your guy Jackson Smith and Jigba. He has now broken the Seahawks single season record for receiving yards and we still have six games left. I mean, include Steve Largemouth, who I think I told you one of my good friends in law school, just as a kid, decided he loved Steve Largent. So he like wore Steve Largent gear to Duke Law School all the time. He would wear a Steve Largent jersey to class like once a week. And I go, what? Why? Who loves Steve Large at this much? So I always think of him, that record's already broken and he is on pace to do 2,000 yards, which has never happened. Happened.
- [35:56]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, he was insane. I knew he'd have a good game playing the Titans, but I mean he does this every week. It's just not my tight. Not just against my Titans. He had like 1:75 today at two touchdowns. I have been hard on my Titan saying we don't have any pieces. The rookie who ran the punt back Chimera, dk, he's been pretty awesome this year and Cam Cam Ward's kind of gone to him as a reliable target all season. So I've been hating on my, on my team all year. But DK's punt return was pretty exciting to today.
- [36:23]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean Seahawks are. What are they? Eight and three, I think and, and, and, and playing really well. And if you look at their eight. I mentioned this stat on my ESPN show today. If you look at their three losses, they're by combined eight points. So I mean, and all three to teams that are going to make the playoffs. So I think the Seahawks are better than people realize. When you, when you have three losses, I think they're to the Rams, the 49ers and the BU. It's. That's a really good team.
- [36:56]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, very good to all by like a total of eight points in those losses.
- [37:02]
Matt Jones
I know I just said that. Listen, I think he tuned me out there, Billy. That's all right. You know, I mean, this is a long podcast.
- [37:09]
Colin Coward
I also survived.
- [37:11]
Drew Franklin
I'm still, I'm still accepting that the Kelly brothers are not brothers. I've lived my whole life thinking that they were related in some form.
- [37:18]
Matt Jones
Yeah, well, I mean, when you find, find things. When you find out things that hurt your. Hurt your soul, it'll. It'll.
- [37:23]
Drew Franklin
While you listen to cover zero you can.
- [37:25]
Matt Jones
That's exactly right. Now we know. Now you know they're not related.
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- [41:13]
Matt Jones
The packers beat the Vikings 23 6. The game J.J. mcCarthy was awful. That's. There are two things I care about this game. Only two. One is that Billy told me that J.J. mcCarthy has an alter ego. I did not know this until that today. What is his alter ego?
- [41:33]
Colin Coward
It's called nine.
- [41:35]
Matt Jones
And he. What does that mean?
- [41:36]
Colin Coward
It's a flip or a switch that he flips before the game starts to keep his intense competitive stamina up.
- [41:44]
Matt Jones
Is this widely known?
- [41:45]
Colin Coward
Yes. He spoke to the media a couple weeks ago and told them about his alter ego, Nine.
- [41:49]
Matt Jones
I'm in the media. He didn't tell me. He.
- [41:52]
Drew Franklin
We are the media right here.
- [41:54]
Matt Jones
This is. If he didn't tell us, it's not true. So he calls himself nine?
- [41:59]
Colin Coward
Yes. And McCarthy has.
- [42:00]
Matt Jones
And where does that come from?
- [42:01]
Colin Coward
From that I don't know. I'm not sure the origin of why it's called nine.
- [42:06]
Drew Franklin
Well, he is number nine. Has he just called himself by his number.
- [42:13]
Matt Jones
That's an interesting. That's interesting. So he just says like when I. When it's time to play, I'm not J.J. anymore. I'm not.
- [42:20]
Colin Coward
He talks about the war paint that he puts on his face to get himself ready.
- [42:24]
Matt Jones
Hate it, hate it, hate it. First of all, he's a dork. I can tell. I don't, you know, I don't know anything about him. I can see him. He gets his haircut at Great Clips. He went to Michigan. It's fine. But like you're not. Don't put on war paint. That would be like me putting on war paint. It's not. That's not your Personality.
- [42:42]
Drew Franklin
He has three straight games with two interceptions. And Billy called him trash at the beginning of this. Take your victory lap, Billy.
- [42:49]
Matt Jones
You did, you did call that a couple weeks ago.
- [42:51]
Colin Coward
Well, McCarthy has nine interceptions through six games. So if that's his alter ego, then he's, he's on pace.
- [42:58]
Matt Jones
He needs to switch it to six or two so that he can clip script a little bit. All right. Second thing is, before the game, the Minnesota Vikings tweeted out from their account. Today is a continuation of the fiercest rivalry in the NFL. Same, Vikings, Packers. And I. It kind of offends me. I'm kind of mad at the Vikings for saying it. First of all, notice the packers didn't say the Vikings said it. I don't think that's anywhere close to true. I wouldn't even. First of all, it's not the packers biggest rivals. I think even they would say it's the Bears. And I would argue they're not even in the top 10. I mean, just off the top of my head, I would say Cowboys, Eagles, Cowboys Commanders ahead of them. I would say Ravens, Steelers. To me, when I think of modern rivalries, honestly, Raven Steelers is, is maybe at the top in terms of the games being good. You know, what else would you put in there?
- [44:06]
Drew Franklin
There's some that have kind of worn off, but I mean, Colts, Patriots was hot for a while.
- [44:09]
Matt Jones
You Bills, I feel like is a rivalry.
- [44:13]
Drew Franklin
You could go Back to Cowboys, 49ers. At no point does Bears Vikings enter my brain.
- [44:19]
Matt Jones
Like if the other Vikings, he said, excuse me, packers.
- [44:21]
Drew Franklin
Like if the other team doesn't know they're in a rivalry.
- [44:24]
Matt Jones
You're not allowed to even like Bengals. Browns is bigger. They're in the same state. I mean, I, I, the Packers, I would think would put both the Bears and the Lions ahead of the Vikings because they're closer. So I, I think it's kind of a desperate and sad tweet, and I think the Vikings ought to apologize to everyone for it.
- [44:49]
Drew Franklin
And really, if you had just asked me on the street, hey, what's one of the best rivalries in the NFL? I might have said, packers be Bears. That's like the longest standing.
- [44:58]
Matt Jones
It's probably number one. It's probably number one. I mean, the packers have dominated it in the last decade, but it's probably number one. I mean, just come and go. Broncos, Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders was a big one for a long time.
- [45:13]
Drew Franklin
I used to go to Chiefs, Raiders. I've been to it twice. And that used to be nasty.
- [45:19]
Matt Jones
49Ers Rams is another one that I, I just think, when I think historically, I would say Bears, packers. And then when I think in the last 20 years, I would probably say Steelers, Ravens in terms of. But I would never say Packers, Vikings. And it offends me, Billy. I'm angry.
- [45:36]
Colin Coward
I don't blame you. I mean, Cowboys 49ers had some good ones back in the day.
- [45:41]
Matt Jones
You. Thank you for listening as well. Lions twice, both of you. Mine's another twice. It's okay. They got. They got other things going on. Lions and James giants. Lions win 3427 in overtime. Even though the Lions won. I feel like the Giants are the story. Specifically Jamis. He had such a great Jameis game. He had a touchdown catch where he broke a tackle. He had a moon ball. That's the highest pass I've ever seen thrown in my life. And somehow it was completed. It was only a 30 yard pass, but he threw it 30 yards in the air as well. I love the Jamis experience, even though it ended up in a loss.
- [46:26]
Drew Franklin
I had so much fun watching James today, and it just makes me mad that Russell Wilson was ever the quarterback. All right, sure. Jackson dart your future. He's been good. He's hurt now. It should have been Jackson, Darton, James, Winston and that's it. Jamis that the, the touchdown reception he had. He catches in the flat, like breaks a tackle, does a little dance in the end zone.
- [46:45]
Matt Jones
It's just.
- [46:46]
Drew Franklin
It was such a great Jamis game. It felt like also, I don't know, maybe there's a stat for this Billy, the next Jim stuff. It felt like every pass he threw was a deep ball. Like anytime he was dropping back, he was. He was throwing long. It was just the full.
- [46:59]
Matt Jones
This would have been a signature Jameis win if they could have gotten it on the road in Detroit in a game that they didn't. Shouldn't have won. But actually, you know, Giants were up 10 again, Billy. They've had four games this year where they were up 10 on the road and have lost all four of them. That's crazy.
- [47:18]
Drew Franklin
Crazy. It is.
- [47:19]
Colin Coward
Jameer Gibbs just went off 264 scrimmage yards for him. Did you guys see James's pregame speech? Cause he's really good.
- [47:26]
Matt Jones
Don't Skip over that. 264 yards rushing from scrimmage is an. Excuse me. Jameer Gibbs, by the way, is an absolutely obscene number, but go ahead.
- [47:35]
Colin Coward
Yeah, he's been incredible these last couple of games. But James said we outside, but we inside. On his pre game.
- [47:43]
Matt Jones
I like that. So I guess, I guess that's his thing is he says we outside, but then the game was indoors. I appreciate, appreciate it that he recognized that yes, he was indoors, but metaphorically, in his mind, he was outdoors.
- [47:56]
Colin Coward
Yeah, he's had some great ones in the past eating W's. There's James. The James brand is strong right now in the NFL.
- [48:04]
Drew Franklin
How about when it went to overtime? Why did Russell Wilson go out for the coin flip with his helmet on? Why was he the team's captain and he wore his helmet like, dude, we know you're not playing. James has been officer this game.
- [48:15]
Matt Jones
Don't understand that. Didn't understand that call at all. Plus no one likes Russell.
- [48:22]
Drew Franklin
You mentioned teams don't kick field goals anymore.
- [48:24]
Matt Jones
Well, let's talk about. There were three games today where teams needed points and chose not to them. One of them was here where the Lions had a chance, I believe to or no, shoot me. The Giants had a chance to go up six chose not to. They probably win if they do it. You had the Cowboys game where the Cowboys had a chance to take the lead at the end of the fourth quarter. Didn't. Chose not to. And then you had the Jaguars game where they too were up three, had a chance to go up six, shows not to in all three situations. They don't make it. Is this like a. A plague of going for it a little too much on 4th and goal?
- [49:02]
Drew Franklin
Yeah. The Giants, I guess I get it. You want to put the game away. You're an interim coach. You're done. You got James Winston at quarterback and Russell Wilson wearing his helmet over on the sideline. So I get you want to try to go up 10, but it was 4th and 6. I would have taken the points there and just tried to keep Detroit out of the end zone. They went the other route and they go on to lose overtime. So at least on that one, what else we have to play for is their mindset, I guess.
- [49:26]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I, I think the most egregious one was actually Dallas, and we'll get to that in a second because that Dallas could have won the game. They end up winning it. It didn't matter. But let's, let's just go to that one. The afternoon game. Philadelphia. Philadelphia scores. First three possessions. It's 21 nothing. It's looking like games over. And then Dallas reels off 24 straight. Philadelphia makes some stupid decisions, big turnover. Pretty much an amazing win for the Cowboys. I watched this at a, at a sports bar in Louisville and there were three really drunk Cowboys fans. And I just need to. They were sitting at the table next to me and I was, as you do on an NFL Sunday. I. I was eating food and I was reading the New Yorker with the games on around me. That's a good Sunday for me. Games everywhere. New Yorker during the breaks. And it's 217 and this guy just is yelling so loud for every Dallas play. And I wanted to look at him and say, sir, it's over. You're not going to win. You all stink. I'm trying to read the New Yorker. Can you please keep it down? But I give him credit because he kept yelling and he yelled every play and he was in it and he was screaming and he was yelling and it ended up working out. But the best moment was towards the end of the game when the other games had ended. You know how they'll switch to the game. The TVs that had been on the other game were like 10 seconds ahead of the Cowboys feet, right? So the sound and a lot of the TVs were playing the game, but there were. Most TVs were now ahead. My man that was screaming never realized it. Okay. He was so drunk, he never realized it. So as the, as it would go, the Cowboys fans would cheer and then 10 seconds later he would cheer, cheer when he saw it. And I was wondering, what is his. In his mind, why does he think all these other people are cheering 10 seconds before him? So I think the whole restaurant collectively decided the joy in the game would be seeing the Cowboys do something successful, waiting 10 seconds for him to find out and then watching him celebrate. And so he went from someone I didn't enjoy to my favorite person ten second later, Gary, who would celebrate all of Cowboy's success.
- [52:10]
Drew Franklin
It sounds like a man that's just locked into his team. He doesn't even know his surroundings. He probably know there are other people there in the restaurant in that tv. This is one.
- [52:20]
Matt Jones
Seconds later.
- [52:22]
Drew Franklin
This is one I mentioned. I just wrote Games off at 21. Nothing. I checked out. I was in the other room talking to people, having a good time, and then come back in and it's 2114. Thought, oh, I need to take a seat and kind of lock into what's happening here.
- [52:34]
Matt Jones
This would have been an epic Cowboys loss. By the way, CD Lamb had a drop in the end zone that was absolutely brutal. They go for it. On fourth down, Aubrey misses only his second field goal of the year. I mean, this would have been an epic loss. But you are Kind of. Your wife's a Cowboys fan. This ends up being one of their more exciting wins. The last couple years it was.
- [52:55]
Drew Franklin
My brother in law's an Eagles fan. There's like a family dynamic. They bet on every game. So there was trash talking all day for this. I could not believe that they did not kick that field goal in a tight game. I mean, I mean, I think the.
- [53:07]
Matt Jones
Argument was if we, if we kick this, they'll still get the ball at the 30, they're gonna tie. I mean, that's that whole thing we've talked about. Give it. If you kick it off, they're gonna get the ball at the 30, probably anyway. So you would have kicked it though.
- [53:21]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, I, I mean, the Eagles hadn't scored since early in the second quarter. Your defense had been stopping them. I mean, there was only a little over 2 minutes left. Tie game. The other scenarios we brought up, we're talking about a team up three, three, trying not to, you know, go up six or go up 10. This is a tie game with under three minutes left. Get the points and go up. Luckily it ended up working. But I was at a party, about 15 people all shouted at once, what are you all doing? We were just in shock that they weren't taking the field goal.
- [53:47]
Matt Jones
Yeah. This morning when I did espn, I had a guest house with me. Myron was gone. Andrew Salchunas, I guess he's like a talk radio guy in Philly. So he was my guest host. And I. And I was like, dude, you won the super bowl last year and you're eight and two. Like, why are you so negative? And he was. And he said, our offense stinks. Wait and see. Wait and see. And then today they get up 21 nothing. I barely know this man. And I text him and I'm like, see, what were you complaining about? And then I got an hour straight of told you, told you they stink. Told you. And he was proven.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, they. They've gone the wrong way. Offensively. Their defense is still stout even though they gave this up. But on the Cowboys end, that offense, Pickens, that's gonna end up being one of the best trades ever. Pickens has had 150 yards in back to back games. Touchdowns. CD had the horrible drop that you mentioned. I don't know that Pickens is ever going to steal like CD spot as wide receiver one there. But they have been incredible combo. And Pickens is having a sensational year. That's kind of unexpected.
- [54:51]
Matt Jones
When people wrote him off, what'd you think of the guy? On the punt return who is becoming like hero of the film room. He gets knocked down twice. Just like Chumbawamba. He gets up again and comes down and makes the hit that causes the fumble that he ends up becoming a hero.
- [55:10]
Drew Franklin
Yeah. Elijah Clark, a rookie. I'm going to make you a prediction. We're going to get some kind of video out of Cowboys marketing where they show that in the in the film room tomorrow. Cause that's one of those plays even if he did that and it's not a game flipping moment like that just to stay with it, get knocked down twice, maybe even a third time and go make that play. That's something the coaches love in practice.
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It's already been everywhere and like everybody who likes football is like yeah, it's a football guy play. Get him, get him. Never give up. That's how you make roster like they like. And that's this is it's such a football dude thing, you know. But he was getting beat up downhill. I like his break. I just every person went online to be more manly in trying to talk about how great that play was. It was a great play though.
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Drew Franklin
Save the game.
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Matt Jones
Shador is. Yeah, they win against the raider 24:10. I mean, he wasn't, like, good, but he wasn't bad. But they won, so you got to give him credit for that. He had one, I thought, really good pass, a deep pass early in the game. That was a really great look. He throw it on the run, rest the game. It was. It was whatever. They didn't have him doing a whole lot, but they did win. And after the game, what was it you said he said?
- [60:43]
Drew Franklin
He said, this is what I did after a week of practice. Give me a whole off season, and it'll be dangerous. Dangerous. You know, he ain't.
- [60:53]
Matt Jones
He ain't. He ain't stopping. He's gonna be what he's gonna be. I saw Emmanuel Acho, who just on a personal level, I just find the cheesiest human being on earth, unless he works for the NFL, at which point I think he's wonderful. He. He. He did one of those videos where he, like, just holds the phone right next to his face, and he's, like, holding his finger, and he was like, if this is Shadows floor, wait till you see what his ceiling is. I don't know why I sounded like Jimmy swaggered, but that's what he did. And I thought, well, how do you know it's his floor? That may be his peak. I mean, they didn't have any film on him. That might be the best he ever does. Play the worst team in the league.
- [61:36]
Drew Franklin
Yeah. I think he went like, 10 for 20. I'm not trying to downplay the day. I will say that.
- [61:41]
Matt Jones
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Drew Franklin
52 yard throw. I. I had some feelings for Shadow. I feel happy for him. They showed Miles Garrett. He looked like a proud parent.
- [61:49]
Matt Jones
Dion shocked. Miles Garrett looked like, what? How did you do that? I've never seen that before. That was his look, to be honest.
- [61:57]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, well, Dion and his cowboy hat. I. I did have a big smile, for sure.
- [62:01]
Matt Jones
You like the cowboy hat, by the way. What do you think about Neon's like. Like he's now. I mean, when I go to Vegas, I wear a cowboy hat, but that's just because ladies like like it. Maybe that's why Dion does it too. I don't know. But do you like the cowboy hat?
- [62:15]
Drew Franklin
I do. I'm not a huge deal.
- [62:17]
Matt Jones
I'm not.
- [62:18]
Drew Franklin
You know, people, they're like a polarizing thing. Like, you either hate them, you don't. I'm indifferent. I was happy for him in that moment. Enjoyed seeing Dion celebrate. I just wish, you know, The. The pass got stopped on the one. Couldn't get credit for a touchdown. I wish it had. One more yard would have gotten Shador's first td.
- [62:34]
Matt Jones
I. Yeah, his first TD ended up being like a dump off. The guy ran 65 yards. Um, it's weird because I really like Dion and I mean, I've liked him since I was a kid. I was doing the Dion dance when I was 10, when he was at Florida State. Right. Like, I love the guy. I don't know why it hasn't transferred to his son. I don't have that same affinity. But I do think, you know, he's good entertainment at least. Like, he's more. I think Dylan Gabriel's probably still better, but he's more fun to talk about.
- [63:08]
Drew Franklin
And if it had been Dylan Gabriel.
- [63:09]
Matt Jones
I would have watched zero minutes, zero of it.
- [63:12]
Drew Franklin
I mean, zero. If I could have found a way to get away from that game, if I were near it, I would have done it. But with Shador, you had to keep eyes on it.
- [63:19]
Colin Coward
Do you guys feel bad for Miles Garrett? He's had 14 sacks in five games. He has 18 and a half sacks and the record is 21 in a season. Or actually, I'm sorry, 22 set by Michael Strahan. I mean, he's going to break the.
- [63:31]
Matt Jones
Altar, end up having one of these career. We talked about this. Like Joe Thomas the other Browns got where he's like an all time great. And no one. I don't say, no one knows, but no one cares because the team's never good. He's amazing. I mean, he's amazing and like, no one of. If he played for a good team, he would be one of the faces of the league.
- [63:54]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, I mean, I thought there might be a chance he'd try to go get to a contender maybe in his career, like guys do. I think he's just going to retire Brown with sacks. Right. Records and nothing in his trophy case.
- [64:04]
Matt Jones
Yeah, it's actually, that's one of the sadder thoughts. He's going to retire a Brown.
- [64:10]
Colin Coward
He took the money. It's his choice.
- [64:12]
Matt Jones
I mean, I'm not, I'm not begrudging him. I'm just like, can you imagine just saying the phrase. I mean, it's. I'm retiring a Brown. It's not even a fun nickname.
- [64:22]
Drew Franklin
And then you got to think, do I want to just stay around Cleveland and be a legend or do I?
- [64:25]
Matt Jones
Yeah, no, I mean, he doesn't. I can answer that question. No, he doesn't. He'll fly in when they retire his jersey and he'll come once a year and like he does not want to stay there. I don't think Jaguars beat the Cardinals 27, 24. Trevor Lawrence, they won, but he put on and really epically bad his. He had four turnovers, the three interceptions. You want to talk about the opposite of the Cowboys guy covering the punt, go look at Trevor Lawrence's receptions and interception. They were awful. The ball would like do orbital spins and get intercepted. He made horrible decisions. He is Tom Brady one day and like Wayne Brady the next day. It is unbelievable how bad he can look.
- [65:18]
Drew Franklin
And I, we're starting to see more Wayne Brady than Tom Brady. I was thinking earlier in the year that Liam Cohen might fire him up and we might see his career take off. But I'm, I'm getting more Wayne Bradyish, especially today with the 4 turnover.
- [65:32]
Matt Jones
Yeah, well, I mean they won to their credit and Cardinals had a chance at the end. Were not able to do it. I don't know if you saw Liam Cohen. They went into overtime. I don't know if you saw Liam Cohen's post game speech. Liam Cohen goes. He was like, in Jacksonville, Florida, it is known we do not apologize for victories. And I was like, known by who? Who has an opinion about what they do in Jacksonville. Florid. He said it like it's pretty much, you know, San Francisco known for rain. New Orleans known for Cajun. Jacksonville known for not apologizing for victory.
- [66:16]
Drew Franklin
You know, we, we knew Liam when he was here at uk. I never expected we'd get as many locker room speeches. They're tweeting out.
- [66:22]
Matt Jones
Big locker room speech.
- [66:23]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, but he's also kind of corny. I mean, the Duval, that's more him than locker room speeches. But they keep putting them out.
- [66:30]
Matt Jones
Well, his, they're awkward. I mean, they can, they put him out, but he doesn't look like, you know, I mean, I like Liam.
- [66:37]
Drew Franklin
He's good.
- [66:38]
Matt Jones
Coach Liam would come to our bar and he would be one of the more awkward people in the bar. So you put him in an NFL locker room. I have to think. But it's, but look, he's done well. They're good. They would have a playoff spot if it started today.
- [66:54]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, I think we predicted they might be in. The Texans winning on Thursday was big in that division, but Jackson Bill still on track to get there.
- [67:03]
Matt Jones
Falcons and the Saints, I don't know. Who cares? I mean, I, I, they, I think the Falcons won, but I'm not sure they still play five more times. This season. So there'll be plenty of times for the Saints to get revenge. I can't. Who. Who are the people that watch these two teams play and why?
- [67:26]
Drew Franklin
Tyler Shucks Paris.
- [67:30]
Matt Jones
I saw, got taken out of the game, which reminded me that he's played for 47 years.
- [67:36]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, this was a pretty boring. I mean, you had Cousins at quarterback for Atlanta. Bijan Robinson didn't even have a big game. It was just kind of a dull game all the way around.
- [67:46]
Matt Jones
Is this one of the worst endings of a career for what Kirk Cousins is having? I mean, a lot of people, I'm trying to think what's a worse ending than you just ended up on Atlanta, got beat out by a rookie and come in and just, you know, bore people to death for the end of the season.
- [68:05]
Drew Franklin
And not just you got beat out by a rookie, they paid you to be the guy and then drafted a rookie right over the top of you. So, yeah, he's old.
- [68:14]
Matt Jones
He is old.
- [68:15]
Colin Coward
About Russell Wilson, I loves him, though.
- [68:18]
Matt Jones
Well, yeah, that's true. Russell Wilson, but yeah, I guess Russell Wilson's decline, I mean, there, there have been a few of these. I mean, Philip Rivers, I think, finished his career in Indianapolis for a year. Trying to think of other guys who had weird finishes.
- [68:37]
Drew Franklin
Well, the weirdest for me will always be Brett Favre in a Jets jersey. But then Aaron Rodgers kind of recreated it.
- [68:42]
Matt Jones
He did, but he's actually gotten a little bit of a bounce back with Pittsburgh. He doesn't. It's not. And Aaron Rodgers got hurt, so I. It was kind of a different. Different ending for their careers.
- [68:53]
Drew Franklin
But there are those players that'll go do it somewhere else. And it's just weird seeing in another jersey.
- [68:58]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I like those. I. Somebody should have a collection of just guys who went to other teams, like the Shaquille o' Neal Cleveland Cavaliers jersey. Those are the jerseys that I would like to. To have.
- [69:10]
Drew Franklin
Emmett Smith being a Cardinal is high on that list for me too.
- [69:13]
Matt Jones
Yeah, he had a good year for them, though. One year. Joe Montana was a chief, but like took him to the playoffs. I mean, like, I think took him maybe the AFC Championship. One year as a chief. People. People forget those Bucks Rams was tonight. Baker Mayfield got hurt, but the Rams were dominant. Are they the best team in the league?
- [69:35]
Drew Franklin
Yeah. And Stafford, I mean, I haven't seen his final stats because we've been yapping as it's been ending, but just know, seeing the final score, I'm gonna assume Stafford had another huge game.
- [69:44]
Matt Jones
Well, he scored the first four Possessions. Four touchdowns and four possessions.
- [69:48]
Drew Franklin
Amora and should. Billy, the year was so fun early. How we feel in the last two weeks? I know it was good competition, but taking a couple of L's for your team, that was looking like a contender there for a while.
- [69:59]
Colin Coward
Yeah, it's all systems failure. They're lucky to have an easy schedule. They play Carolina two of the last three weeks, so maybe they can still win the division.
- [70:06]
Matt Jones
Easy. Wait a minute. We mean easy. That's not. They're six and five. That's not easy.
- [70:10]
Colin Coward
Although they're scheduled. They play all their NFC south teams here on the back, so it's going to be a little easier than what they've played. But, I mean, they don't have a corner, they don't have a pass rush. It's. It's disgusting out there. I enjoyed the brief moments of hope that we got in that Bills game that they played. Played in. But since then, it's been nothing but bad.
- [70:27]
Drew Franklin
It was cool seeing Teddy Bridgewater.
- [70:30]
Colin Coward
Teddy, Two gloves.
- [70:30]
Matt Jones
I didn't know when he was out. I didn't know who that was at first, like, when he came out. First of all, I haven't seen Teddy in a long time. I didn't realize his hair was like that. So I was like, who is this guy? It is nice to see Teddy Bridgewater, though. We've known him since he was in college. And obviously the fact that he was coaching a high school team earlier this year and ends up playing on Sunday Night Football is a crazy story.
- [70:55]
Drew Franklin
Yeah. When he came in, I had no idea he wasn't even coaching high school anymore. I didn't know he was back in the league. And here he is Sunday night, prime time for the Bucks. That was a nice plot twist there, Billy.
- [71:04]
Colin Coward
Yeah, he walked right by us when we were in Buffalo, too. So I guess we missed him in the hallway.
- [71:09]
Matt Jones
Yeah. Which is weird because I would like to have said hi to him. I mean, he probably doesn't remember me, but I would like to have. So maybe it's good I didn't, because it would have hurt my feelings if he didn't, if he didn't remember. But I. But it is. He's a very, like, bankable guy. Remember, he was the one who bought his mom, like, a pink Cadillac or something when he got drafted. And so I've always. I've always really liked Teddy Bridgewater.
- [71:30]
Drew Franklin
Then he got in trouble at his high school for just, like, making sure kids had food.
- [71:34]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [71:34]
Drew Franklin
Because they ended up being impermissible benefits. And he's like, I'm just trying to make sure that my kids don't starve.
- [71:40]
Matt Jones
Only in. Only in today's world are like, stop giving your kids food. Give them $2 million to go to college. That's what you're supposed to do. Do not give them food. Are you crazy? Yeah. So overall, good day of. Of NFL football. And Billy, you. You got your Chargers beating the Titans. So you are still alive in the challenger league. You got six more weeks. You think you're gonna be able to do it?
- [72:08]
Drew Franklin
Yeah.
- [72:08]
Colin Coward
Seahawks got the win today over the.
- [72:10]
Matt Jones
That's what I meant. I say Chargers. I meant Seahawks over the.
- [72:12]
Colin Coward
And if the Titans have another game with a team that I haven't picked, then I feel pretty confident about my chances.
- [72:18]
Matt Jones
It's pretty rude of you, actually, to always pick against.
- [72:23]
Colin Coward
I didn't even watch even he was giving up.
- [72:26]
Matt Jones
They got one in them before the year's over. I mean, they were. They were competitive today in that game.
- [72:32]
Colin Coward
They beat Arizona.
- [72:33]
Drew Franklin
They were. I was surprised that they covered, to be honest, and kept it within six. But I think Billy's strategy will continue for the rest of the year, and I hope it does because we have the number one one pick if we just continue to suck. And that's what I want.
- [72:45]
Matt Jones
Panthers 49ers Monday night. Who do you like?
- [72:51]
Drew Franklin
Don't. Don't make me do it. Do I. Do I want the Panthers?
- [72:55]
Matt Jones
I mean, they are on the road. Are you going to pick the Panthers on the road in San Francisco? Are you going with Bryce?
- [73:01]
Drew Franklin
I'll go Bryce. You know, last week you went out on a limb with Texans taking down the Bills. I'll be crazy and say that the Panthers pull off upset.
- [73:12]
Matt Jones
Yeah. I don't know if it's Matt Purdy or Bryce or Brock Jones quarterbacking. I'm not sure, but either way, I'll take San Francisco. As we've talked about, I think they're the same person. You're not going to convince me otherwise. I can't tell who's who, but I do think they'll win again. The 49ers have such an easy schedule coming down the stretch. I don't think they're going to catch the Rams, but they will probably be the top wild card seed. Unless they collapse down the stretch.
- [73:40]
Drew Franklin
Stretch. Yeah, I know that. I think they play. My Titans might have a game against Cleveland.
- [73:47]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I think they play. I think they play. It's either the Titans and the jets or the Titans and the Browns. They have two very easy games.
- [73:54]
Drew Franklin
Yeah. Count those as wins. And I believe you said this before the season started, we're going to look up at the end of the year and the 49ers just have a great record and no one's going to believe it.
- [74:01]
Matt Jones
Well, and the Patriots are like that, too. I mean, The Patriots are 10 and 2, but besides the Bills, like, everybody they've beaten stinks. So like, there's no way to know if they're really good or not. So. And they're gonna, they could be end up being the one seed in the, in the AFC as well.
- [74:21]
Drew Franklin
So what is impressive about the Patriots? I agree that the competition hadn't been good, but they're 60 on the road in the NFL. That's impressive no matter who you're playing. So even though it's not the top tier of what they'll see in the playoffs, winning road games has been a impressive.
- [74:34]
Matt Jones
I did like Drake May's answer to Stephen A. Smith. Like, I don't watch your show.
- [74:41]
Colin Coward
Liar.
- [74:42]
Drew Franklin
I did enjoy that very personally.
- [74:44]
Matt Jones
Yeah. Yeah. That was so. That was so presumptuous of Stephen A. To be like, you know, first take. You know, Cam Newton's on it. I mean, somebody pointed out First Take, which is a big sports show, but it has the Same ratings as HGTV's prime timeline. Can anyone name HGTV's prime time lineup? No one goes up to Patrick Mahomes and go, you know, Diana and her trees are on HGTV at night.
- [75:18]
Drew Franklin
I'll be honest, I probably like, what.
- [75:19]
Matt Jones
Are you talking about, Stephen A. I've.
- [75:22]
Drew Franklin
Probably seen more HGTV than First Take. I don't watch First Take. But my big thing was, you know, Stephen Drake May's probably pretty busy those hours that you're on tv. Probably in a, in a locker room. I'd be watching film. Could even be actually active in a practice at that time of day. So I want to watch.
- [75:38]
Matt Jones
Even embarrassed, Cam Newton was like, all right, man, you don't have to go this far. Like, we're good. I got this hat on. I'm fine. Just let me be.
- [75:46]
Drew Franklin
Also, if you go back, this didn't get enough attention and I know it's just a slip, but Stephen A. Said we've been the number one show for 20 plus decades. I thought that's not. He meant 20 plus years, but he said 20 plus decades.
- [75:57]
Matt Jones
Yeah, he took over for John Quincy Adams. And then after that they've been in charge. They've been number one ever since.
- [76:03]
Colin Coward
One thing on the Monday night game, remember Panthers are six zero when they win the coin toss. Oh and five when they don't. Maybe lives.
- [76:11]
Matt Jones
Will you text tweet out who wins the coin toss? Yeah, I know what to do Live.
- [76:16]
Colin Coward
Bet at Billy Our Sports.
- [76:18]
Matt Jones
All right. At Billy Our Sports. Well all right folks, thank you very much. Enjoy your week. We will be back Likes to be doing a Tuesday special Thanksgiving episode, so we'll be back in a couple days to get you ready for all the big games on Thursday. This has been cover 0. NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRA radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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