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Don't Bury the Lede
Hosted by Events Make News. People Make Journalism. · EN
Don’t Bury the Lede takes you inside journalism: the decisions, the pressures, and the people behind the stories shaping what you see every day.
Hosted by award-winning journalists Jenna Flanagan and Domenic Camia, the show pulls back the curtain on how the news really works, why public trust has fractured, and what’s at stake for democracy when facts are harder to agree on.
Through candid, insightful, and often funny conversations with journalists, editors, creators, and media thinkers, Don’t Bury the Lede explores the future of news in a rapidly changing digital world.
Events make news. People make journalism.
New episodes every week.
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Who Makes the News?
Dec 800:56:52Tap to summarizeEver wonder who really decides what becomes “news”? In this episode of Laid Off and Looking, we go inside the assignment desk, the nerve center of every newsroom with Professor Benjamin Davis, award-winning journalist and Chair of Multimedia Journalism at Morgan State University. Davis has worked at ABC News, MSNBC.com, and NPR, and he’s here to break down the uncomfortable truth: 👉 The stories you see (and the ones you don’t) are shaped by business pressures, predictability, executive preferences, trending topics, and now… AI. 🔍 In This Episode, We Explore: 00:00 - Start 00:37 - Intro 01:46 - “Yellow Journalism” History Lesson 05:56 - Interview Begins 08:14 - Stacking the Rundown 11:12 - Selling a Story 14:02 - How to Know When You’re Show is Bad 16:30 - How to Do Local News 18:04 - Harsh Truths 20:23 - Citizen Journalists 32:51 - Follow the Technology 36:40 - What We’re Missing 40:00 - Oh Lord These People 42:56 - The Risks of Freelancing 46:01 - AI in the Newsroom 51:58 - Why Did You Become a Journalist? 🎧 Professor Benjamin Davis Professor Davis is a veteran journalist, educator, newsroom leader, and soon-to-be founder of a citizen-journalism app designed to empower the public ethically to tell stories newsrooms can’t or won’t. 💬 Why this episode matters The public often believes “the media refuses to cover certain stories.” This conversation explains why newsrooms make the decisions they make, what’s missing, and how journalism must evolve if it wants to survive the era of distrust and digital chaos.
Transcribe →Can TV News Be Fixed?
Nov 2200:53:05Tap to summarizeEver wonder why the news, especially TV news is the way it is? This week on Laid Off and Looking, veteran TV news director and journalism educator turned media critic, Jennifer Schulze shares some frank words on how broadcast journalism went off track. From shrinking newsrooms and corporate pressure to the obsession with “going viral,” Schulze explains how decades of cutbacks and bad incentives turned a public service into a ratings race. She also reflects on what it takes to rebuild trust and why the next generation of journalists might still be our best hope. 🎙️ In this episode: 00:00 - Start 01:00 - Intro 02:10 - No More Breaking News @Brodmop on TikTok 06:38 - Ratings Or Information? 09:24 - The Billionaire Influence 10:30 - What Really Broke TV News 17:44 - What It Takes to Stay Employed 19:39 - Fake News Catastrophe 23:08 - Trusting Local News 25:57 - The Op-Ed Albatross 35:58 - Information Curation is Still Needed 46:08 - Paywalls Were A Mistake 47:46 - Is This Still A Safe Career? 52:33 - Credits If you’ve ever worked in a newsroom, watched one fall apart, or wondered who still believes in journalism, this conversation is for you.
Transcribe →The Emotional Toll of Journalism
Nov 1700:58:27Tap to summarizeMost people think journalists are trained to stay detached, to report the story, and not feel it. But what happens when the story breaks you? In this episode we talk with journalist and researcher Luisa Ortiz Pérez, founder of the Media Resilience Network, who launched a groundbreaking survey exploring the emotional toll of journalism during the era of layoffs, audience distrust, and constant crisis coverage. Louisa reveals what her data shows about: 🧠 Burnout, anxiety, and “moral injury” in the newsroom 💔 How layoffs and social media toxicity are reshaping reporters’ sense of purpose 🎙️ Why many journalists feel silenced, even in organizations built to tell the truth 🌍 And what needs to change to make journalism sustainable again This conversation is candid, compassionate, and deeply human: a look at what it really means to do the work of journalism when the industry itself is falling apart. How do we rebuild trust, without breaking the journalists who keep us informed? 00:00 - Start 02:11 - Jenna Remembers the Trauma of Sandy Hook 08:05 - Technology Changed the Game 11:08 - When You Are the Story 14:31 - You Shouldn’t Have to Shrug It Off 17:04 - Journalism Can Make You Sick 18:26 - Put Your Foot Down 22:37 - A Human Condition: A Play About Journalism 25:06 - Take the Veneer Off 27:28 - We Can’t Be Unseen 35:35 - Journalists Need 2 Things to Heal 44:49 - The Algorithm IS NOT Your Friend 48:08 - Only People Not Bots Can Do Journalism 52:29 - PTSD Should Be Recognized 55:15 - Why Did You Become a Journalist? Media Resilience Network https://mdrnet.org/ Take the Survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdAXBQMP8wgy_ecx2dh4WeqAb3fSUyIh8fndSkZrYBGR22yNg/viewform
Transcribe →Public Media vs Commercial News
Nov 700:55:12Tap to summarizeEver wonder why your local NPR station or PBS News sounds so different from your local TV news? It’s not just tone, it’s money, mission, and mindset. In this episode of Laid Off and Looking, Domenic and Jenna talk with Stan Jastrzebski, longtime public radio news director for KBIA in Columbia Missouri. He's also a journalism researcher and breaks down why there is a divide between public media and commercial newsrooms. He covers how funding models can shape coverage, who journalists are actually serving, and why both systems are struggling to survive the digital age. Stan also explains how public media’s civic mission of serving communities and uplifting marginalized voices often clashes with shrinking budgets and burnout, while in commercial newsrooms journalists find themselves chasing clicks, ratings, and advertisers just to stay alive. He also dives into the “snowcap effect” inside news organizations, the diversity gap between leadership and staff, and what happens when communities stop trusting the people who tell their stories. 🎙️ In this episode, we get into: 00:00 - Start 04:08 - Public Media Shortcomings 05:33 - Stan Jastrzebski Interview 07:50 - What Makes Public Media Different 11:54 - Why Be In Public Media? 15:39 - But You Can’t Eat Awards 16:30 - Diversity In Public Media 22:03 - We Need More Stories from Member Stations 23:39 - Can Public Media Grow Your Career? 27:47 - What About the Fundraising Model 34:07 - Be In the Community 39:42 - Is The Most Trusted News Enough? 44:01 - State House Reporting 47:55 - The Public Media Sound 50:01 - Why Did You Become a Journalist? If you care about who controls the story and what happens when the people disappear but the algorithms stay, this episode is for you. 👇 Tell us in the comments: Do you trust public media more than commercial news? Why or why not? 🎧 Subscribe to Laid Off and Looking for more honest conversations about the future of journalism, AI, and the people keeping truth alive.
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Data Journalism Isn’t Boring - You're Just Doing It Wrong
Oct 2600:58:00Tap to summarizeThink “data journalism” sounds dry? Think again. In this smart (and surprisingly funny) episode of Laid Off and Looking, we talk with Jess Awtry, Vice President of Digital Strategy and Communications at the Pew Research Center, about how numbers, charts, and audience analytics are shaping the future of news. Jess breaks down why data is more than spreadsheets, it’s storytelling, accountability, and the best defense we’ve got against misinformation and AI slop. From newsroom gut instincts to “clicks vs. credibility,” she explains how journalists can use data without losing their humanity (or their sense of humor). 🎙️ In this episode: 00:00 - Start 05:15 - Jess Awtry Interview 06:36 - What is Data Journalism 14:36 - Time Decay Attribution Model 36:41 - Will AI Impact Data Journalism? 41:33 - Polling Manipulation 45:28 - Longreads v TLDR 50:10 - Creator Model Journalism 54:39 - Why Did You Become a Journalist 💡 Whether you’re a data skeptic, a newsroom veteran, or just curious about how information really works, this one’s for you. 📈 Subscribe to Laid Off and Looking, where we talk about how journalism is changing, and the people trying to make sure the truth keeps up.
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When the News Becomes a Joke
Oct 1801:16:12Tap to summarizeWhat happens when a journalist interviews a comedian who might secretly understand the media better than most journalists? In this episode, Paul Saylor, musician, comedian, and runner-up in the New York Queer Comedy Festival, joins Jenna Flanagan and Domenic Camia on Laid Off and Looking to unpack: Why news and comedy are basically dating each other now: How AI, algorithms, and outrage are reshaping both industries What it means to “punch up” when everyone’s already fighting online Why the “War on Christmas” might be the world’s longest inside joke And yes how ChatGPT became the most emotionally available man on the internet This is smart, funny, painfully honest and way too real for anyone who’s ever doomscrolled their way through the news. 00:00 Start 06:29 - How Ya Doing is a Hard Question 07:16 - What I Respect About Journalism 12:35 - Using Emotion to Sell the News 15:12 - What’s at the Heart of Funny 19:38 - Comedians Say What Everyone Is Thinking 24:12 - Punching Up vs Punching Down 33:29 - Cancel Culture 44:51 - If Everything Is Funny, What Is Serious? 49:20 - What About AI 1:08:36 - Why Did You Become a Comedian 🎙️ Subscribe to Laid Off and Looking for more conversations where journalism meets real life
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Why Culture Desks Still Matter
Oct 1201:00:33Tap to summarizeCulture reporting isn’t fluff. It covers music, film, reality TV, the arts, and so much more, showing why these things matter and what they reveal about us. Jenna and Dom talk with writer and scholar Kovie Biakolo about why cultural reporting is essential, what’s lost when newsrooms cut it, and how it’s different from influencer commentary. Kovie points to “Love Island USA” to show how desirability politics and identity play out on screen, connects reality TV to modern politics, and explains why AI can’t replace cultural analysis. 00:00 Start 09:53 - What is a Culture Desk? 13:18 - Pop culture is how Americans understand their identities 17:34 - The Importance of Love Island 28:08 - The Hierarchy of Relationships 31:04 - Cultural Reporters Help Us Understand Beauty 35:11 - Why We Are Where We Are Politically 39:40 - Why Culture Reporting Has to Matter 41:21 - Journalists Give More Than Hot Takes 47:20 - Should Journalists Be the New Social Media Stars? 53:29 - Can AI Do Culture Reporting?
Transcribe →Press Pass: The Paper and Why Journalism Is Our Kryptonite
Sep 2801:24:17Tap to summarizeWelcome to Press Pass, our new bonus series where Jenna and Dom go on tangents, share gossip, and get into everything shaping the news. For our first episode, we watched all ten episodes of Peacock's hit series “The Paper” (“The Office” spinoff) and compared it to our own newsroom days. We talk about what the show gets right, what it plays for laughs, and why local news deserves better. Plus, we swap experiences from the field, from road trips to office pranks to the emotional cost of covering big stories. Want to watch “The Paper”? You can stream all 10 episodes now on Peacock! *Also, no Jenna is not sick, she has terrible allergies and a stuffy nose! 00:00 – Start 00:31 – The Paper Clip 01:54 – Laid Off and Looking Intro 03:02 – What Did You Think of The Paper 09:29 – All Politics Are Local 11:11 – Journalism Is My Kryptonite 11:39 – Local News: Are We Working or Volunteering? 14:43 – It’s a Comedy Series 15:51 – Meet the Toledo Truth Teller Newsroom 36:54 – The Courage in Journalism 40:30 – I’m a Journalist NOT a Salesman 44:06 – News Influencers v Reporters 46:52 – Journalism is Expensive 54:04 – Awards Season 1:10:15 – It’s Not Glamorous Work 1:17:20 – What Did You Think of the Show?
Transcribe →Diversity, Equity & AI in Journalism
Sep 1901:02:18Tap to summarizeCan artificial intelligence replace editors and producers in newsrooms? And how does journalism build a future rooted in equity and accountability? In this in-depth interview, Sisi Wei, Editor-in-Chief of The Markup, shares her insights on: ✅ The risks of over-reliance on AI in journalism ✅ Why diversity, equity, and inclusion are essential for credible reporting ✅ How newsrooms can rebuild trust with their audiences ✅ What leadership in media must look like in 2025 and beyond If you care about the future of journalism, newsroom culture, or the impact of artificial intelligence on media, this conversation is for you. 📌 Chapters: 00:00 - Start 02:47 - NewsCorp Australia 04:40 - Sisi Wei Interview 07:26 - Can Newsrooms Responsibly Use AI? 13:46 - Misinformation Farm 18:09 - The Environmental Cost of AI 22:53 - AI Cannot Do Quality Journalism 28:03 - Is Journalism Just More Content? 30:55 - Reporting v Opinion 36:08 - CalMatters 38:16 - Data Regulation 41:51 - Does AI Want Your Data? 42:59 - Is Political Violence Profitable? 46:24 - What Is Not Allowed on Social Media? 47:04 - The Digital Democracy Project Articles featured in the episode: News Corp bets big on AI tools but journalists voice concerns https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jun/20/news-corp-bets-big-on-ai-tools-but-journalists-voice-concerns?utm_source=chatgpt.com Business Insider will lay off 21% of staff amid AI disruption and “extreme traffic drops” https://www.niemanlab.org/2025/05/business-insider-will-lay-off-21-of-staff-amid-ai-disruption-and-extreme-traffic-drops-outside-of-our-control/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Bringing Digital Democracy to California and Beyond https://dicktofel.substack.com/p/bringing-digital-democracy-to-california How Meta Brings in Millions Off Political Violence https://themarkup.org/investigations/2024/10/04/how-meta-brings-in-millions-off-political-violence You have a right to delete your data. Some companies are making it extra difficult https://calmatters.org/economy/technology/2025/08/companies-make-it-hard-to-delete-personal-data/ 🔔 Subscribe to Laid Off and Looking for more conversations with leaders and innovators in journalism. #Journalism #AI #DiversityInMedia #SisiWei #FutureOfNews
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Who Counts as a Journalist Today?
Sep 1300:54:01Tap to summarizeThe news isn’t just in the hands of reporters anymore. Commentators and influencers cover the news too, and the lines between them get blurrier every day. So who even counts as a journalist today? For answers, Dom and Jenna sat down with Kelly McBride, senior vice president and chair of the Craig Newmark Center for Ethics and Leadership at the Poynter Institute. Kelly helps newsrooms navigate issues of trust, bias, and how to use generative AI responsibly. Kelly talks about how to spot real reporting, why it matters to know when something is opinion, and why newsrooms need to make that clear. She also gets into AI and the idea of a “human in the loop,” where a person checks and approves anything AI writes before it goes out. https://www.poynter.org/the-craig-newmark-center-for-ethics-and-leadership-at-poynter/ https://www.poynter.org/ai-ethics-journalism/ https://www.poynter.org/mediawise/ 00:00 - Show Intro 01:41 - Paul Saylor 04:47 - Kelly McBride Interview 16:49 - What Does Accountability Look Like? 20:29 - Story Choices 23:18 - Reporting v Opinion 31:10 - AI Code of Ethics 39:52 - Viral News v Quality News 51:11 - Why Did You Become a Journalist?
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