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Guaranteed Human.
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Guess what? It's the holiday season. And you know what that means. Holiday parties. Woe.
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Holiday parties. They're the best. But there's always the stress of what to wear, what to bring.
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Easy solution. Okay, bring a bottle of Casamigos.
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And as the saying goes, anything goes with my Casamigos. On second thought, a holiday party might be in order.
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That's a great idea.
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Where?
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Oh, I see my eye. Oh my. Bowen, look over there.
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Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Goodness.
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Wow.
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Las Culturistas Ding Dong Lost Culturista's calling.
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We have reconnected with someone from, I'm gonna say past, present and future.
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Four dimensional tapestry of talent, beauty, brains, impact, all of impact. This bitch.
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This bitch.
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This bitch right here.
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We're proud of this girl and we've known her when. So basically we were discussing before the episode began, a moment kind of in history.
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Yes.
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If you would go back with us to I guess like 2018, 2019, I think 2018, 2019. Around there it was, the Bell house. I don't think so, honey. And this was a time when we would like corral like 50 people together. Bowen and I would sit on stage. We would do I don't think so honey live. Five people would come up. They would do I don't think so honey. After I don't think so honey. They'd filter it out. We'd call it like Gay Bonnaroo.
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Gay Bonnaroo. Now we would call it Gay Kill Tony or something. Yeah.
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Now there's like the references would change but like we would like be before the show, like saying hello to every single person that we had booked. And we were so excited because Rachel Sennett was coming on the show. Who may be the guest on this episode. You'll have to find out in like a minute and a half. But I remember going over and you only have so much time to say hello to everyone because it's 50 people. And I'm just like saying, hi, hi, hi. And then I see Rachel and I go, hi. Oh, no, oh, no. Oh, no.
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Because she's sobbing. She says, this is one of the worst days of my life. And we'll get into why.
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She's like, I'm so excited to be here. This is one of the worst days of my life. And we'll get into why on this episode. Starring I love LA Creator, Star, EP Star, et cetera. All the sort of titles this one holds.
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This is one of, I would imagine. I'm not gonna speak on your behalf, but one of the best weeks of your life. And it's only getting better from here. We'll bring her in. She can confirm or deny. This is. Is it all, it seems, former guest of the show. But we've had. This is our first time in person.
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With her, which feels so insane, wild and more.
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Everyone, please. Let's go, let's go.
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Welcome Rachel Senna. High and a half.
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God, thank God.
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Clink, clink, clink, clink, clink.
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Fucking clink.
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And it's all the kinds of Diet Coke. We have the ones in the can. We have the ones in the bottle.
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In the bottle. I wish I had can, but of course, I went bottle. Because that was what was available, of course, at the bodega, but on the streets, they do bottle it. And it's totally fine.
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Straw it. Now tell us what was so fucked about that day.
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Oh, my God. So the other thing that's crazy is it's like at that time, I was such a disaster. I was going through. It was a tumultuous time.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, I'm 23.
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Yeah.
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And in my head, I was like, no one else knows that this is tumultuous for me. I thought what I was presenting on the outside was, like, normal, grounded, had it together. And now it's like, I see people who have known me.
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Yes.
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And they're like, you've really matured you. Wow. You've really, like. No. You feel you're a lot more grounded.
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And is that offensive?
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No.
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Yes. But I think it's, like, it's good because now looking back, I'm like, that was really scary. Not only was I crying, I was, like, ripping poppers.
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Yeah.
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Addicted to poppers.
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In the back room, I was addicted to poppers. And I was just sitting in the back room open, sobbing. It's like people were coming in and out. I remember Sydney Washington coming over and being like, it's okay, love. All right. Get it together. Get it together. Get it.
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Because you gotta go on stage and rip a minute.
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So rip a minute.
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Just.
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Just wait. Rip A minute, then rip a popper, and then we'll put you in the Uber home. Let's go.
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Wow.
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See, that's community care. Because Matt was saying it was like it was 50 people in the community just descending on you to show support. But also they were like, but we also have to get ready for our baby.
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But you do what? We do have to do our best.
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We do have to do our best.
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So please, get it together, do your bit, and then either go home or just, you know, keep the crying to a minimum. But it was like three days after, and I was. I was raw. I was really, really raw.
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And my.
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I don't think so, honey was. I don't think so, honey. Breakups.
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Yeah.
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And say that.
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And I did it with tears in my eyes and poppers in my throat. I was like. I was. Yeah. That's how de. They were going.
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Yeah. No, they were getting.
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I was. It was crazy.
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Yeah. How did the pot.
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What was the first hit? Who was your fucking Sherpa?
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So this is what happened is basically I did. It was around my birthday.
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Yeah.
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And this is also around the time. No, one year before was when I accosted you guys.
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Yeah.
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But we'll get to that in a second. And because we all had raw, vulnerable moments. We all. And that's, again, what the community is. Is full. That's why we have each other's backs. Because we saw each other at the highest and the lowest.
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100 tears everywhere I walk.
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And I got family. Because you've seen it all.
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Yes.
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Thank God.
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But basically, it was like, I had a small birthday party or whatever a couple days before the breakup. And Moss Periconi.
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Yes.
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Who we know and we love. Genius writer writing at SNL a couple buildings away.
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Let's go.
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I'm gonna go say hi later today.
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Moss.
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Moss was like, I just heard about paupers. To get. By the way, to get introduced to boppers by a straight man. Come on.
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It's one of our best straights.
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One of our best straight men.
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Very of that time, too.
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Very of that time. Very of that time.
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Because things were mixing. It was like everyone was a little bit.
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Everyone was dabbling into each other. We were going, what have you got going on over there?
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And the answer was paupers.
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So Moss was like, I just did poppers one time. We should buy them and, like, do them once tonight on your birthday for fun.
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Okay. Oh, no.
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Huge mistake.
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Oh, God.
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He brings the poppers to the party. We all do poppers. Whatever. I'm like, that's Kind of fun.
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Yeah.
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Then the next day, do the breakup.
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Yep. Oh, do the breakup.
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Do the breakup. And I immediately fall apart. And I start looking for something. Something. I go, what's here? At this point, I'm living with my dad in Hell's Kitchen. Me and my dad are roommates in Hell's Kitchen.
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And Hell's Kitchen is what? The capital of Poppers.
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The capital of poppers.
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It's actually real culture number 26. Hell's Kitchen is what? The capital of poppers. You can get them anywhere.
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You can get them at the pet store for $4. Yeah.
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Not bad for $4.
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And by the way, impossible to get in LA. Something New York has over L. A poppers.
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This is really true. And I know a spot. I know a where you can get them. And I'll tell you after. Although I don't think it would be good for you.
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I moved on. I moved on.
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You're in Rico.
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I've matured. But I will say, when I first moved to la, I went to get poppers somewhere. And I did. I had to drive to, like, four places. And I was like. I ended up in, like, a sex shop at, like, 2 in the morning. And they were like, we have one bottle left.
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It was like.
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It was crazy. It was crazy. So I. So, okay, I'm searching through my dad's apartment. It's like, there's nothing there except for the poppers. Boom. I just start. I just start taking them. And I'm taking them, like, in the morning. I'm taking them like, ten times a day. I do think there's a piece of my brain missing from that time. It's like I'm taking them raw. I remember Catherine Cohen.
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Yes.
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We went to, like, breakfast the next day. Cause she was being an amazing friend. She was being there for me. And I was, like, ripping poppers at Cafe Clooney. And she was like, my love, you gotta stop. My love, you gotta put those down. Save it for right after. She also poured me a glass of vodka and watered it down at, like, 10 in the morning.
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I love Catherine. I literally can picture this. I can see the coat she's wearing.
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Yes.
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Yeah. You know it.
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We got the coat. We know the coat.
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We know the coat. It's fabulous. And so then it was just from there, I just had them on me. And that was like my thing. I was just like, I can always do a popper in five minutes.
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Sure.
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And can I ask, what was the feeling? Were you chasing a feeling or was it just, like, the pacifier like, let me just do my thing.
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It was a little pacifier. I'm total pacifier girl.
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Of course.
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It's like I need a pacifier at any moment right now.
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How many vapes on set on any given day? On the set of I Love la.
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You know what was crazy is they gave us fake vapes. Non nicotine vapes. And then we all started doing. And I was like, it's really just about having a butt pop.
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Yeah, it's the placebo.
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It's a toy.
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It's a toy. It's like a. Yep. I just want something to hold and suck on and play. Okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That is getting a little buggy.
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Don't we all? Don't we all? And.
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But so then I just had them. I think what it was is that when I would take the boppers, I would start laughing so hard and then I would start crying. And it was sort of my entryway into crying.
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Wow. Ok. So you were able to.
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Was able to access how I was feeling.
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Did you lose that access once you got off the poppers?
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You know what's crazy is. No, I didn't, but I. I entered a period of my life. I would say the mid-20s. I was like, I'm healed.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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I'm so healed. I. Cause it was Covid. I moved to LA and I was like. I became like a hermit, honestly.
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Yeah, well, I was.
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I went all the other way. I was just like. I'm like barely drinking. I'm not doing anything else.
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Hopper's on the east side west side Highway.
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No, none of that. I'm like, I'm very. I'm very locked in. Locked in. And I think it was almost like I overcorrected. Do you know what I mean? And then came the Saturn return, of course.
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Damn it.
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Which is when you ran into us on the street, by the way.
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Which is. Oh, my God. Wait, no, you guys on the street, this. I'm backpedaling.
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Let's go.
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We need to back up.
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Okay.
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This is still messiera. This is probably like the year before my full crush out. This is like 2017.
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Yes, yes.
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And I'm having a birthday. It's my birthday and I was on Kat's show. I'm like, yes, birthday. I come out of there wasted. I see Matt and Bowen outside on the street. I don't realize they're having a deep discussion that involves a tearful discussion.
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Was this at Union Hall?
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I think it was at Clubcoming. I think it was the club coming show.
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Okay, okay. So if it was 2017 clubcoming, it was one thing.
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If it was 2018 club coming, it was another thing.
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Union hall, it was another thing. Cause I can remember two times, but.
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2018 clubcoming also sounds viable.
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It sounds all, like, within the realm.
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I'm willing to bet it was about both of us going through the SNL audition process and only one of us getting hired. That's my suspicion. It might not be correct.
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Saying it's about that, I feel like, makes it seem like I was heartbroken about not getting the job. There's so many emotional things within that, like, in the friendship that it could have been about. But so I'll just say that it wasn't like me sobbing like, you got snl. No, no, no.
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And I don't mean to misrepresent that.
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The vibe was literally like, sweet, beautiful moment between friends talking through something.
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We have those.
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It was. I need those. Do you know what I mean?
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I came over like, let's go. Yeah.
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I literally was like, it's my birthday. How awesome was the show? Who wants to do shots? You guys both turned to me, tears in your eyes, and you're like, could we just have a minute? Just one minute.
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Because the fact is, we do want to do shots. We do want to do shots.
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But it was just. It was just like my vibe was so, so insane. And you guys were like. It was like I was interrupting, like, a beautiful moment. That was the vibe. It was like a beautiful moment of you guys connecting, talking through something, and me being like, shots, bitches. One or two. Let's go get inside.
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I love this girl, too. I love this girl, though. I think she's obviously still there. She's in the show. She's Maya. And there's a throwaway reference to, like. Remember when Maya was addicted to Poppy?
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I talked that. Jordan's saying that to you in the show. Like, Maya, this is like when you were addicted to poppers. I was like. I was there for that.
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You were like, yep. Well, I remember. Well, so basically, okay, so. Because what. What I tried to do with the characters is because, like I was saying, I moved to LA and then I sort of, like, locked down and was sort of like Herman. And I think that's when I started to feel really isolated. I felt like I. Yeah, I had trouble, like, driving and, like, seeing friends in la, and I felt really alone, and I was, like, really gripping to control.
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It's so different from New York, too, where it's like, you can go to a fucking Bell house show with 50 people and make it look your friends and they can all gonna be there for you and they get it. Whereas then you go to LA and it's like, that's not how it is.
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No. And then it's at 3pm and you're alone in your apartment and you're like, who am I? What's going on? So then basically my Saturn return came and I felt like my Saturn return was basically like all the lessons from my early 20s coming back, punching me in the face. And I got like Messi again in a more elevated way, in a more fun, adult, mature way. Elevated Messi front runner for title but elevated. Messy, but I think so. What I kind of tried to do with Maya and Tallulah is. Tallulah is sort of a representation of like me in my early 20s in New York. Maya is kind of that like control freak tendency. Me like mid like 26, 27 in LA. And then together they are better because I. What I'm hoping, what I'm hoping is that now I'm a more evolved person where I have a little bit more balance, a little bit more freedom, intuition and I can have fun. But I'm. But I'm not completely out of control. Disaster. Mess.
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Yeah, you are. You are representing in these two characters Apollo. Dionysus. Yeah, that's it. Oh, Apollo wants order. Dionysus wants hedonism and fun.
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He wants poppers. Dionysus wants poppers desperately. It's actually roller code number two.
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Dionysus wants poppers desperately.
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I have to connect with you about the poppers thing because I too was addicted to them.
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Right.
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Because I'm thinking of like, imagine a world where not only was all those things true, but also it was tied to sex.
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I couldn't even. That would be crazy.
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I don't think you'd be here.
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I don't think I'd be here.
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I'm almost not here. It's crazy when you are like a bottom and you need them to take dick. Like it becomes a thing where I was in a relationship one time. We were having sex all the time. It was short lived, but I was using poppers all the time.
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Yes.
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And so when we broke up, it was not only a thing of like, I enjoy them and they get me off, but also it's sort of like me a little bit. And I didn't realize that I had grown dependent.
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Oh.
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And when I tell you like never been, it was a thing I talked to my therapist about for like almost a year and she would actually ask at the top of Sessions like, how are you doing with this? And I was like, oh, my God. And it was the only thing I would have the urge to Sabrina Carpenter, lie to my therapist about, because I was like, this is humiliating.
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Yeah.
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Because what it literally is, is you're huffing. You're huffing. You're huffing nail polish.
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I know.
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It's literally when you're, like a kid and you're in DARE and they're teaching you about the things you can get addicted to, you're like, well, that's the lamest one.
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Yeah.
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You're like, that.
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That's not gonna be me huffing. Huffing. Huffing glue. And then there you are with amyl nitrate, trying to get dilated or go to a Robin concert and enjoy dancing on my own more.
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Oh, my God.
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Which we also did.
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We also did.
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But there was a time when it got dangerously in the fabric of, like, social stuff.
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Yes. Once you connect it, that's with any addiction. As soon as you've connected it, you form the little wire in your brain. It's like, well, we're not coming back from this. It's like, now I'm remembering my ex. Now it's connected to sex. It's like, what?
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It's very, very, very connected to sex and the gay community. And also, like, it's just a little social.
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Yes.
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Like, I remember one time we had Trixie Mattel on the show and she was like, do you guys use poppers recreationally? And we were like, yeah. And she was like, what? And now I'm kind of, like, seeing that perspective because it is a little bit like. Like, get off, do your thing. Or go off, get off and go.
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Off and get off.
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But, like, it is a little bit, like, to have it around all the time. It's like there are holes in your brain.
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There's holes in my brain for sure.
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But it hasn't held you back?
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Hasn't held me back or you. The air. I can feel the wind going through the holes. They're like.
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It's like Swiss cheese.
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That's how I get all my gut ideas. Yeah. I have the holes in my brain.
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Wait, was this the frequencies?
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The frequencies are. They're thrumming. Was you moving to LA permanently? Was that the same time as Come on, it's la or was that before?
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That was before.
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Come on, it's la. Was just a trip that you took.
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Come on, it's la. Was a trip that I took and I did a little water bottle tour. This is pre Covid. And I felt completely Lost there. I was sort of like, what are these meetings? What's going on? And everyone was like, you're not supposed to pitch anything hard. You just are supposed to give people a sense of who you are. So then I would show up to these meetings, and you would see the person that I was meeting with, read the email about who I was, and.
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They would go like, yes, Rachel, so.
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You'Re a slut on Twitter. What's going on? And then I would just go into all these meetings and talk about how, like, mess my life was. And everyone's like, oh, my God, girl, that is so funny. Okay, call us when you want to do a show about a sentence or something. No, this is what they would do. I would talk for, like, 45 minutes, and then they would be like, okay, so on our slate, what we have is we are doing a remake of Bratz. And we. But whatever. And they're like. And just come to us with one sentence. And that's how we like to develop. Then I leave. I never hear from any of them again.
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No, never.
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Never again. So I was just coming back from, like, a week of that being like, I feel crazy and stupid and everyone there, like, hates me, whatever, And I feel like I. I just. I was just joking around with my boyfriend at the time and being silly, and then we made that video.
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But, like, I mean, I'm sure you've been asked this, and I want to ask what you're sick of being asked on this fucking press run.
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So far, nothing.
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Really? That's great.
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I can't think of. Let me think a little bit. Nothing so far.
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I came into it being like, I'm gonna ask her about Kimonatelle. Just, like, briefly, but I feel like. I mean, gag you. That. That's prophetic. That, like, that.
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That ended up being like, yeah, no.
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It was kind of crazy. I was like, I didn't real. But do you know how they say time is always happening at the same time?
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Yeah, they do.
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Like, right now, we're at the Bell.
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House, Flat Circle Vibes.
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We're at the Bauhaus right now. And I feel that also 90 in the nursing home.
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Yeah. Oh, my God. That's going to be a good conversation, too.
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I can't wait. Potting for no one.
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Wait, we have to be at the same.
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They need to put us in the same nursing home.
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That's why I said past, present, and future. That is exactly what I meant. Us in the nursing home.
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Nursing home. But mptf, like, this fundraiser thing that, like, they throw every year around the Emmys. That is literally a nursing home for actors.
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I can't wait for us to be there.
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We have to go there.
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We have to go.
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Lena Dunham told us about it, and it's like, they do, like, Pottery Hour. They literally do, like, for old actors.
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Oh, I love it.
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People in TV and film like, Pottery Hour.
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Poetry.
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That's so beautiful.
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I can't wait till it's our whole friend group there. Catherine in the same coat doing at the pottery wheel.
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You reaching for the poppers. Catherine, like, no, put this away.
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Slapping my hand away.
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I love.
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I'm like, it's almost over. Just let me have one.
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It's almost over. Oh, no. When we're 90. Forget.
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Forget about it.
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I'm ripping again.
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Yeah, we're done.
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We're done, we're done. Wait, so, okay, time is a flat circle. No, no, no. You were.
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Oh, no, no, it was. But yes, it felt almost prophetic. Yes, yes, but that was before I moved to la, and then I moved.
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During COVID Yeah, but, bitch, now look at you. This is a show that is, like, on hbo, and it's not a fucking sentence premise. You know what I mean? It's like that's gagging.
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At least three sentences. It is at least three sentences.
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At least a paragraph.
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Get to do it with your friends. They kept saying, give me one log line. That's one sentence. I was like, I can't. It's minimum four also.
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They wouldn't want that anyway.
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Yeah, you got. You got to have a lot of that.
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An exact. Being told. That's what you ask.
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What you ask. They say, give me one sentence. I go, I can't. I talk. I ramble. Yeah, I can't talk that short.
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I can't talk.
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I can't talk that short.
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No, a sentence can be, like, infinitely long.
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Yes, comma, comma, comma.
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People forget about how many commas actually are permissible in a sentence. The answer would shock you. 12. 13.
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Wow. 15.
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Yeah, I can comma.
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If you're doing a list in the sentence.
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Fine, fine.
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Get away with it.
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Em Dash. What is it?
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Parentheses?
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Yeah.
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Are you a moon person?
B
I dabble. I'm like, sort of dabbling. I. I'm definitely astrology. I'm definitely. Cause Saturn return Psychic. Yes.
A
Yes.
B
I wanna ask you guys, do you like, what was your Saturn return?
C
Oh, well, that was part of what you were coming upon. Okay, so our Saturn return was. I would call mine brutal.
B
Okay.
C
I would call mine brutal. And it also made me go to la, but. Cause I think when you're like a New York fixture, it's kind of like, oh, when I'm running up against something at this age where it feels like my whole world is crashing and. And your whole world is New York. Makes sense to leave New York.
B
Yeah.
A
Yeah.
C
You know, and so then I went to la and it was making me feel better about everything. And so like when I was watching the first episode of I Love la and it was like flashing around. Like, I saw like, you know, the little flash at Akbar. The little like, is it leaves of grass that you shot in, in that one bar?
A
Turn to the trees.
C
To no trees.
B
Yeah.
C
Why did I say leaves of grass? That's so different. I saw Tenants of the Trees. I was like, oh, my God, this is one of the bars that I went to when I first got there. Like, it reminded me of, like, not to be like this, but like LA pre Covid.
B
Yeah.
C
And. Cause now there's a lot about LA that's like, kind of lost that thing that I felt like were so fun for me when I first got there. But I am happy to say there have been permits filed to save the arclight. Did you see this? Like, the arclight might come back.
A
Yeah. I love that.
C
And even just that is like, I remember they closed fucking Oil Can Harry. And I was just like, ugh. Like these little things that I. You know, not in totality. It's like it feels like maybe. Oh, yeah, that place left, like, but when you lose a bunch of those things, it hurts. And so it feels like watching your show, I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. There's like so much to love about la. There's like, there's that spot. That spot. Like, this energy.
A
Yeah.
C
And so that's what I, like, really liked about it is it was like taking me back to like a time that I was like, oh. Even though it's like when you're making a show about it in la, you're inherently dragging LA a little bit because that's what you do when you love something.
B
Yes.
C
It was like. It felt like the really positive, like, beautiful parts of it were so present in that first.
B
Yeah. And I think, like, it's. I also feel like. Cause I moved to LA during COVID so I was never there for that pre part. And I feel like I. When I first moved there, I had such a hard time and it was like everything was closed and whatever. But I feel like it's felt. It's been so special to like, put down roots and feel more and more at home there as, like, I think new things pop up and like, things like reopen or things like the Arc Light or whatever, or the Vista. I love going to the Vista. And it's like, that's such a little community spot now. It's like people are waiting outside to go see movies there. Like, it's really, really cool.
C
In this show, Jordan lives in WeHo, right?
B
In the show. He lives.
C
He goes out in WeHo a lot.
B
He lives in Silver Lake, but he used. You'll see later, he used to live in WeHo.
C
Okay. So that comes up. So the WeHo of it all is like, whenever friends come and they're like, decide to move to WeHo, I'm like, okay, okay. Because I'm just thinking, like, what do you think it is?
B
What do you think it is?
C
Because it's kind of like a gay theme park there for a second.
B
Yeah.
A
But then, like, housing options, though. There's a lot of, like, units.
C
Yes. And I'm not gonna say Talk shit about WeHo because it's so boring, but I will say that, like, what was great?
A
It's boring to talk shit about it.
C
What was great about it? Yeah, it's boring to talk shit about what was great about it. When I got there, I was like, going out to, like, high tops and like, on Santa Monica Boulevard. And this was back when we had Pump. Not that I was, like, going to Pump, but it was fun to see Pump.
B
You just wanted the option to go to Pump. You could say it even as a joke.
A
Totally.
C
I want the option to go to Pump. It's rollercoaster number 10. I want the option to go to Pump. And it was just like. I don't know, there was something really fun about it. And then Covid happened and that also kind of like changed it. And now it's like, a lot of short girls stealing phones. We've never caught them.
A
Never.
B
I'm a short girl and you know I'm gonna steal a phone. I'll take it.
C
It's alleged that it's like some short girl stealing phones. Cause the phone theft there is, like, really crazy. Oh, my God. But yeah, even like the weho of it all, like, that was what I did when I first got there.
B
Yeah.
C
I was, like, interested to see what you guys explore in terms of WeHo in the show.
B
We get there. We get to WeHo. Yeah, there's a WeHo moment.
A
I feel like this is the first LA show in a while or maybe ever that's like, actually honest about. It's even a throwaway line in the pilot where you're just like. It's really isolating here. Yeah. And I think that's just. That's the sentence. Not for there to be a sentence for the show, but that is the sentence.
B
It is, it is. I think, like, you can feel it's very easy. And this is something that I actually have come to love about LA in New York. Like, you go outside stuff, like it's happening, it's happening, stuff comes to you. And I think I'm someone who in my life, like. Not to say I was ever like a passive person, but I sort of sometimes felt like life was like taking me and making things happen and I was out of control of it. And I Think in la, it forces you to be a little bit more of an active member in your own life and, like, not make yourself, like, the victim of, like, for a while, I was like, no one wants to hang out with me. No one's my friend. Like, everybody hates me. It's like, bitch, text and make a plan. Make a fucking plan. Get in your car even though you hate driving, get in the RAV4 and go and make a plan and find your friends and build your community here.
A
Yeah.
B
And, like, I think that changed me in, like, a really positive way because I was so committed to, like. I think I was just so stubborn and, like. Well, like, I had. I had all these rules of, like, I can't go out at night because I have a dinner three days from now, and I. If I eat, if I drink, like, so controlling of myself. And I was, like, never having any fun. And I think I also was like, if I want to be successful, I can't enjoy life. Like, enjoyment is what happens after I achieve something, and then I get to enjoy life for two days, and then I have to achieve something else. And that was sort of like my mindset. And then I think, like, honestly, making the show changed my mindset a lot, too, because I was like, wait a second. I'm gonna be working hard on this. On this for a long time. And I remember the Sweat tour was happening in la, and it was like, one of my first couple of weeks, like, in the room, and I was on a walk with Molly and. And she was like, we have to go to Sweat tour. And I was like, I know, but I just. I have to be taken seriously. And I can't, like, I just can't go out until, like. And she was like, till when? I was like, until the show comes out. And she was like, in a year. She literally goes, my love, you need to experience life if you're gonna be able to write stuff. You're coming to Sweateour. Best night of my life.
C
Yeah, 100% of my life. See, you were working and didn't come to Sweat Tour, and you should have gone home.
A
I had the mirror version in New York.
B
Yeah.
A
Cause it was, like, the first day of work last season, and I was like, I can't.
C
He texted and he was like, I don't think I can come. I was like, no, do you. Your energy is important. And literally that night, I remember it was, like, one of those things. It was like, something about, like, Charlie and Troy and that show in particular, which was one of the best concerts I've been to Unlocked and I did. It was like a weekday, and I did stay out till three, slept with somebody, woke up at his home. And in the morning, I woke up and I saw him, and I was like, you were wrong not to come. But you were also right not to come.
A
No, I was ultimately wrong. Because guess what? Guess what I was doing. Literally writing an impression of Charli XCX that was totally mid.
B
And you're like, it was great that you did that.
A
But it was like. That was the irony of it. But I was gonna say when we were announcing Oscar Noms together, oh, my God, at 4 in the morning.
C
You guys were so fun. I loved you two together. That was such, like, a love letter to, like, all of our friends.
B
Sleepover Mice, me and Bowen. Call time, 3:00am 3:00am call time.
A
I just got off a plane.
B
Midnight call time. Bowen had just flown in. And we're, like, there with the teleprompter trying to say. What was the name that I couldn't say? Oh, wait, maybe.
A
We don't know. It was a French one. No, we can say it.
C
French was the hardest.
B
It was the film. It was that film.
C
Une Prophet. No, it was said Une Prophet. And I was like, she rocks.
B
What was the movie?
C
It was like something.
A
It was like a Portuguese movie.
B
No, it was Emilia Perez.
C
Yes, Emilia.
A
Because they were telling Rachel it has to be.
B
And then as soon as they said it. Do you know as soon as someone, like, corrects you, Then every single time, I was like, Amelia Paris.
C
Emily in Paris, Emilia Paris.
B
And so then now when I'm at the teleprompter, I'm going. It's like, you'll see it in the video. I'm like, amelia Perris.
A
You saw it.
C
I remember we were watching it at home. Like, me and the group chat. Were the gay group chat watching the Oscars, we're like, wow, they're slaying the pronunciation. And I remember because we were all like, how many times are we gonna hear Emilio Perez?
B
A lot.
C
And we heard it a lot. And you had to say it a lot.
A
And you said it every time.
C
I was like, can we give one to Bowen, please?
B
Bowen is saying it seamlessly. Please let Bug. Can we trade?
C
Can we please trade, Please?
B
I'm begging you.
A
And they wouldn't, like, change it on the prompter.
B
No, no. And every time, it was like, I would look to you before I said it. I would be like, and.
C
And you'll be like, time is.
A
Because I feel like we're there Right now.
B
We're there right now.
A
What I was gonna say is you were in the room. You were in the room for I love la. Like, smack dab in the middle. And I was gonna say I was like. You were so relaxed and like, it.
C
Felt like I was beta blocker.
A
I just assumed. Oh, is it that?
B
No, I actually didn't. That night. That night I was just tired, but I felt. I actually genuine. I felt calm being with you. Because I do think sometimes, like, things get crazy and then you see people that you knew when you were like 20, and you're like, exactly. I'm okay.
A
I'm okay.
B
Yeah, I'm okay. Yeah.
A
But I was gonna say that, like, I was gonna assume. And this is just my bad. It's like post bottoms. It's like, you would never need to prove yourself again. Cause that is something that you fucking did. But of course, it's this thing where we have. Where it's like, well, like, we gotta do it.
B
Like, here we go.
A
We've proved ourselves, quote unquote in ways before, but now we're like, oh, gotta do it again to the next level.
B
It never feels like enough. We need to find. We need to find self worth at God. And also, I think this year I was also like, you need to find value in the making of the thing.
C
Yes.
B
And your friends and your family and your relationship. Because I worked on this for so long and I felt like a lot of pressure because this is the first thing that I made where it was like, every step of the way is announced. And that's the way that TV works. You know, you get a pilot order. Just the fact that you're writing something is announced, that's announced, then that gets picked up. Announced again. Then you go make that. You edit that. Then if that doesn't get picked up, people know it does get picked up. People know the casting gets announced, then you go make the show. And by the time, like, you're actually getting to make the show, it's like, I'm posting a TikTok of me, like drinking a coffee and everyone's like, go work on your show, mama.
A
Ew.
B
And I'm like, no, they were right. They're 12 and they're right.
C
What I also love was like, they kept announcing, like, Untied Rachel, Sinner Project, Untitled Rachel. To the point where I was like, is it called that? Because for a second I was like, I think it's called Untitled Rachel Center Project. And I think it kind of rocks.
B
Call it, call it whatever you want. To call it. Because honestly, it's like, at this point, I'm like, it is. We still in the office will be like, yeah. For the Untitled Rachel Senate show. Untitled Rachel Senate, Joe. But it's. It was just. I felt really vulnerable, and so I think I had to change my mindset a little of. I can't punish myself.
C
No.
B
The entire time that I'm doing this and not live life and whatever and see my friends and. And I also need to, like, enjoy the process of making this because it was one of the most, like, rewarding, creatively fulfilling things to get to do. And I was like, and I can't freak out about the pressure. I'm freaking out about the pressure now. Or like, at least one week ago. But then I was like, it's okay to freak out now. Cause it's too late. I already made it, so I can't change it, unfortunately. Picture's locked.
C
Picture's locked.
B
It's too late.
A
Yeah.
B
But it's like, I think it helped hopefully shift my mindset a little where I was like, I have to be able to. You have to find balance while you're working.
A
Because guess what? Now I'm gonna make the argument that time is linear. Because now going forward, you will always have had the experience of writing and starring and making your own movie and also writing and starring, making your own TV show. Like, that is something that no one can take away from you. And, like, just. Just go forth with that. You know what I mean?
B
Yeah. I'll text you. Being like, can you say that again?
C
I think it's so. It's good, though, to, I think, admit that you are caring that much about every detail and that you are, like, low key, punishing yourself. Because sometimes it can feel like whenever we're on the Internet or whatever. Perception is not always reality. You know who fucking is one of the hardest working people ever is Charli.
B
Yes.
A
Yeah.
C
But her image is, I'm partying like Dua Lipa. Always on vacation. You go to her show, she's working so hard. So it's not like I think people can get caught up in the image of things and not understand how much is going into it. And there is. You can clearly find a balance because there are people that are doing it. Those people are exhausted. But it can be done.
B
Yeah. Yeah.
C
The Sweat tour was literally created by someone who's like, sauvignon Bullock in the air, fucking cigarette sunglasses at night. Let's fucking go. But the thing is, like, so, so, so, so, so, so, so many Hours.
A
Of work day in and day out.
B
Yeah, it's both things. Yeah, it's holding both things.
A
It's holding both things. You know what stuck with me? I was on shrooms when I was watching Gaga do Mayhem Tour. Bihan Bal.
B
She goes, incredible. Incredible.
C
Just the best.
B
I wish I could go, I missed it.
C
Come to Tokyo.
A
Come to Tokyo with us.
C
Come to Tokyo with us.
A
Come to Tokyo. She goes, I just want to say I care so much that you guys have a good time tonight.
B
Love that.
A
That is like entertainership.
B
Yes, that's it. Yes, exactly. And that's what it's about. It's like, I want you to. Depending on who. What? Who the performer is. But it's like, I want you to laugh, I want you to get horny. I want you to cry a little bit. I want you to feel shit, and I want you to have fun. I want you to have a good fucking time.
A
Yeah.
C
It's kind of fascinating, too, because tell me how you feel about this. But coming from where we came from, very much like, I don't know if you would identify with this, but I'll just say the three words. Brooklyn, alt comedy. You know what I mean?
B
Identify.
C
Yeah, I think that's identify.
A
We said so on the Oscars announcement.
B
We did. We've gone public with it.
C
We had to call it out.
A
So.
C
But I feel like the thing that is encouraged when we were all developing was like, be yourself. Be authentic. Share the story. Go out there and say. And do whatever the fuck. Say that, like, dangerous thing, et cetera. And then you do get to a certain point where it becomes, ooh, are you gonna say that? Are you sure?
B
Yeah.
C
And you're like, but that's the basis.
A
Of why I did.
B
Why? Well, we did. Yeah, totally.
C
And so it becomes this rub between and authenticity and going for it. And also it's this thing of. I know what makes me. Is the messiness. And then suddenly, there I am on a red carpet, and you're like, huh? And I think we all have varying degrees of that.
B
Yes.
C
But that is, like, an interesting place to find yourself.
A
Yeah.
C
Cause then you walk into the room where you once had a general. And they're like, yeah, one sentence. Or else we're forgetting about you. Now you go to that same place. Here's the keys to your own fucking nice car. And we're not giving out a lot of cars.
B
Yeah.
C
In fact, we're giving out one car.
B
One car.
C
And you can drive it and drive it however you want.
B
Yeah. Crash it.
A
Crash it.
C
But, like, that's a crazy change in expectation and responsibility.
B
Yeah, totally. Totally.
C
It's like. It's a wild thing.
A
But I had an inadvertent, like, Shiva Baby night reunion on Sunday, watching I Love la, and then I was just stoned out of my mind. I was like, I didn't get to watch Ojai. And so I put on Ojai. I fucking loved it.
C
Yeah, well, she's.
B
Holly is amazing. Yeah.
A
Everyone.
B
And the range that she has, like. Yeah.
A
But that is a tough movie for both her and Logan to pull off where they both have the same. Logan's amazing.
C
I never met him, but he's, like, such a star. A darling.
A
Darling as fuck.
B
Yeah.
A
What a nice young man.
B
I know. I love when people are nice, too.
A
Me too.
B
Wait, I. I also feel our group. Our, like, whole group, whatever. Like, I feel like we all graduated. I feel like there was, like, maybe a mental illness period of speaking on behalf of myself or it felt like, oh, my God, what are we doing? I'm telling it and now. But I do feel there's, like. I don't know. I feel like everyone. A lot more grounded and, like, we have balance, and everyone's, like, doing their thing, and it's really cool.
C
Well, you were right, though, about the crying. Because I remember, like. Like how it's like, you see, like, people that it's just easier to cry with them because you just are reminded of a more emotionally rounded thing. I remember I went to George Severis wedding, and I hadn't seen IO in a long time.
B
Oh, my God.
C
Yeah. And IO and I ended up crying together on the street. And I was just, like, about. For different things.
B
George is like, for me. And you're like, no.
C
And then we were. Are you crying? Cause you're happy. I was like. I think earlier, yes, I did shed some tears. Cause I was happy for George. But, like, now it's about something else now.
B
Something else.
C
But it's like, when you reconnect with people that, like, you know, you saw in a different way. It's like, a lot of it is pride. A lot of it is like, wow, you know, it's crazy to think of how much has passed. A lot of it is filling people in on what's gone on. But, like, there is a safety and comfort there in doing it with people that, like, you know, are good people. Cause you've seen them, and they've had a lot of the same friends for a long time, which is a huge indicator of someone being, like, really genuine. And not having actually changed.
B
Yes, definitely. You keep your core crew.
A
You keep your core crew.
B
You keep your core crew.
C
Must on a hell.
A
And seeing like Jordan at the premiere and Benny and like just every mom, like, it was just. It was a perfect, like, Sunday was so amazing. Cause it was like. Like Charlie posting about, like, the show.
B
I was just like, yeah, I felt so. I felt so much support from friends in the community where I was like, I don't know. I think. I think, like, I know other generations have done this, but I do feel like what I really feel like our generation, our grade. Our grade has done really well. We were all in high school together. Is like. Is like actually genuinely supporting each other and like having each other's backs, which I think is, like, not rare, but I think it's really nice.
A
Not a given.
B
It's not a given.
C
No, it's not. And I was just telling before we started that I was back in one of the theaters that we used to hang out in a lot. And you can tell it's different. Things are more expensive. Like, certain venues are owned by corporations. It's harder to just book things. Tickets to shows are way more expensive. It's not as easy to community. And I was actually, like, sort of mourning that the other night after the show, having a drink with our friend Amanda, who just moved back to New York and is like, you know, it's interesting. Cause I moved back here, part of me was like, oh, I wanna, like, connect to that community again. And it's harder. And we were sort of like, mourning that. And then we were like, I guess it's up to us to reignite. Cause we could all just sit back and say, like, oh, isn't it a shame?
B
Yeah.
C
But meanwhile, that had been the one show I was at all like. And it does take a certain amount of energy that you, you know, of course, have less of as you get older and, like, can stay in and, like, are told by the phone to stay in or, you know, things just get easier. But if you want to change something, you do have to be the one that changes it.
B
Yes, totally. Like, it's not. It's. You can be like, ugh, I wish there was more stuff, or blah, blah, blah. Or you could be like, let's do it and make it happen. Like, I also feel like whenever I push myself to go out or do something or try something like that, I never regret it.
C
No.
B
Except for sometimes. But when you're like, I should have stayed home today. But for the most part, you're like, okay, I need to. Especially too when you haven't seen people in a second or whatever. Were you doing the show that you went to or you were just.
C
I hosted it. I hosted it. And so it was game show. It was like a show that I used to do all the time and now I do it like twice a year. But like it's. And it is like a community driven show and it's like people were there and it felt great. But I was just saying it just doesn't happen that much. And then not that you feel old, but you sort of feel like, ugh, did I just grow out of what that was or did I in some way. I don't know why the guilt creeps in, but abandon that or like, did I not do a good enough job of staying connected? But then it's like what you're saying we were just in high school and graduated.
B
Yes.
A
We're at that age now where we're like, oh yeah, back in my day.
B
Back in my day. But the other thing too is I'm like, we show up to the open mics and we scare the kids.
C
I know, right?
B
It's like, can I do three minutes? Like it's like. Cuz I also feel like there must. There is definitely like a, like union hall is still happening. I feel like I see cool shows and stuff.
C
Yeah.
B
Which is cool. Probably the like the 20 year olds right now are listening to this and they're like, haha. They don't know about like, yeah, beeboobees, Underground Squad. It's so good. And they're. They're so old and they don't know.
C
Like we were at over the eight. We were at fucking much mores. Like giving much, much more. I think much more is just like a nice restaurant now. I walked by and there were candles on the table and I was like, this doesn't feel right at all.
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I'm so.
C
It needs a dirty couch.
A
It needs five dirty couc.
B
Here is the well liquor.
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We need the bad shit in my cup.
B
Yes.
C
It's not a flat Brooklyn lager.
B
Yes.
C
It's a not Brooklyn comedy.
A
It's a chop. It's a chop.
C
Like literally. Oh God. The Brooklyn. If I could describe the taste of my 20s, it is a flat Brooklyn lager. Hundred percent.
B
Mine's a vodka crayon.
C
Vodka crayon.
A
Mine's. You're gonna kill me. Whiskey sour.
C
Whiskey sour.
A
Who the fuck was I? I love that we were just coming off as mad. I was a bourbon guy and it made me sad.
C
Hey, hey.
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20S.
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20S.
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Quince.com culturistas you're one of my loved ones, too. I'm wondering what are you going to wait?
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Go, go.
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No, no. I was going to take us in a one place. I was going to say we still didn't do. You did your Saturn return of moving to. What was your Saturn return?
A
I think this is my Saturn return. Imagine large, big, huge pizza. My Saturn return was like big dollop. And it's still being spread out. I feel like my Saturn return started at 28 and it's kind of still going.
B
Okay.
C
It lasts longer than people realize.
B
I think it also varies person to person. Do you know what I mean?
A
I've had, like, beats of it.
B
Okay.
A
Like, I think shooting Wicked going back and forth, like, having a full mental breakdown was like, that was one during.
B
During the filming.
A
During the filming.
B
Because you were filming and doing SNL at the same time.
A
Because I was filming and doing SNL at the same time.
B
And like, psychotic, but worth it.
A
Worth it.
B
But also one in the movie. Great on the show.
C
Oh, you should see the little girl.
A
But even, like, even that was just like, oh, my God, like, I'm basically like flying back because I'm like furniture in this movie. You know what I mean? It's like they need me in the shop because what we shot. Oh, we saw your elbow last month. So you need to come back. That was the locus of it. I think starting SNL was truly dissociative. And now as it's slowly petering out, settling. Oh, now like reflecting all of it and it's all coming back to me now.
B
You're processing and processing.
A
I think, like, no, like, I'll tell you, like, I'm like, it's still happening.
B
It's still happening.
C
It's crazy.
A
No, no. 35.
C
Not at all.
A
Still.
B
Not at all. I think also, like, I think that, like, it could. The main events could have happened, but the waves of things.
C
The ramifications. My new favorite word, Ramifications. I love ramifications.
B
The ramifications.
C
I want to release an album called the Ramifications of Just the letter U. And it's Me, like, it's like late 90s R&B and it's me just like this. And it's called the Ramifications of youf.
B
Oh, my God.
C
Wow. I love the word ramifications.
B
I'm buying it. I'm buying, I'm buying.
C
But continue.
B
But I do one. I have to say, it is crazy hearing you say that about Wicked, because it's like, I feel like you're such an important character, but when a movie is that cinematic and big and there's so many characters. I've been in stuff, anything with like an ensemble cast, it is so crazy because it's like you do your scenes, but so much of it is like. It's like you walked backwards in through this. You're in the back of the frame and you're texting and so then you're there for like a 15 hour day in the background. Like this.
C
Yeah. And it doesn't matter who you are.
A
Wait. You're so good.
B
It's like it happens where you're in.
A
That's part of the job.
B
It's part of the job. So they Part of the job. And by the way, it's like, like it's not. It's. It's like there are way harder things to do. But I think it's like when you get into the world of making something and then especially when you're flying back and forth, it just messes with your head a little where you're like, wait, but what should I be doing? And then there's days where you think they need you and then they don't, and then you just start to feel a little kooky.
A
Kooky?
B
Kooky. Yeah.
A
Yeah. I am also wondering, like, what excuse are we gonna have as we go into like our late 30s when bad shit happens to us and we're going through it like, well, this isn't my son in Returns. You know what I mean?
B
So this is just life.
C
Life.
A
This is just.
C
Oh, I'm going through my.
A
When we all go through our first divorces, we're gonna be like, well, this is just our first divorce.
C
No, you know, I'm saying, just in theory, I really don't wanna get it. I've never even. I've never even interacted with the idea.
A
An equivalent of it.
C
First divorce and now that head. I'm like, ugh, my first. You know what I mean?
B
I do know what you mean is that it's like life. I think when, when you're younger, it's sort of like glamorous, when things are like kind of a disaster. And then as you get older, you're like, okay, it's like, there's a disaster and now I have to go to my job. You know what I mean?
C
I think we might be less. As we get older, we may be less invested in the things that would have devastated us earlier.
B
That's true.
C
So, for example, like I was saying before we started, like, oh, like there was this event and I don't think I was invited to it. And I think maybe three years ago I would have been like, why didn't I get invited to this thing? Or I like, does it. Does it mean something about where I'm at? Or whatever. And then I'm kind of was just saying to myself, you know, Matt, you're invited to a lot of things. You probably didn't even.
A
Did you actually want to go to this thing?
C
The answer was no. And then I was like, also. So it is a choice to spin out about something like that, which actually does not matter.
B
Does not matter.
C
And then I do think that the Saturn return of it all is just really what it is, is it's like the settling into of adulthood, the realizing that you are an adult and there is no going back into and there's that few year period where you're filtering through what actually matters and then you land on the other side of that and that's actually the end of the Saturn. So we can talk about it being like planetary and whatever and astrological, but really what it is, is it's sort of like your first midlife crisis. Yeah, it's like an adulthood crisis. Adulthood crisis, which I think the millennial generation and the Gen Z generation all interacts with in a similar way because we're given similar responsibilities and we're given similar deterrence in terms of success. And we've all got the Internet in this way. Like they weren't. We started calling it the Saturn return. What it really is, is it's a way to say, hey, we're all engaging with becoming adults in a way that's been different from everyone else.
B
Yes, totally.
C
And suddenly we're 28 and you realize you're not 25 and then you're 33 and you're realizing you're not 30. And so that's. I think, you know what I mean, it's like a quarter life crisis.
B
Yes, totally.
A
You took.
C
Did I tear?
A
Yeah, well, occasionally.
B
Often you did. You did. Because also switching to water for the first time, by the way, I realized I chugged this Whole Diet Coke. And then I was like.
C
I did see you sort of, like, start sipping the water about 10 minutes ago, and I saw in your eyes how thirsty you had been.
B
I know. I was like, so way to go. I've been drinking. What is this called? Aspartame. Yes, I've been. Which I love. Aspartame.
C
Aspartame.
B
Thank you for inventing it.
C
Are you good at drinking water? Water, yeah.
A
Yeah.
B
Because I did Accutane, So when I did Accutane, I was drinking. I was, like, hooked up to an iv, basically. I was so dry I would have to drink water every second. I was reapplying Aquaphor, I was bleeding from my face. And since I did Accutane, I actually, like, can't really drink that much.
A
Yeah, you're still on it.
B
No, but it changed the. Like, I used to drink so much more before Accutane, and I don't know what. It did damage my liver, but I can't really drink the same.
C
Or what happens. You just get drunk pretty quickly or you feel sick.
B
I get drunk pretty quickly. I get buzzed off of one drink, and I also get hungover almost immediately.
A
Do you know what I mean?
B
It's like, if I have one cocktail, it's, like, drunk in 15 minutes, hungover in 30.
C
Yeah.
B
So I'm like, is this worth it?
C
Yeah.
B
But I think it just. I was. It did something to me. It really dried me out, and now I drink. I have to drink a lot of water, too. And I love peeing. Like, if I can pee, I'll pee whenever.
C
It feels incredible.
B
It feels good. It is like a free. I like any of those, like, like, free little things that your body does.
A
Free.
C
Oh, sneezing. There's nothing like it. It's so organic.
B
It's a free break.
C
Yeah. Do you.
A
Can I ask? Yeah, sometimes. Are you like. I wish I could just do this standing up.
B
Peeing standing up.
A
Yeah. Because I gotta tell you, it's really nice that we have the people with the option.
C
I sit all.
B
I love to sit down.
C
I sit down.
A
I sit down every.
C
At home. At home, I sit when I pee.
B
I guess I wish I could pee standing when I'm wearing, like, certain outfits. Certain outfits I have. Like, it's like. Like, it's so funny when you go to, like, a glam event or whatever, but ultimately the bathrooms are like, Porter potties.
C
Yeah.
B
And then you're in the Tyner Porter Potty, like, banging on the walls. And, like, the dress, there's like, three layers and you're like standing over it, trying to pee. And it's that I'm like. It's like you're slipping, sliding on the floor. Like, I'm like, standing could be fabulous right now.
C
Yeah. It's sometimes those fancy events that are the most bootleg. It's like truly being held up by standing. But the picture is like, fabulous. You would never imagine what's happening just 10ft away.
B
Porta potties.
A
We're gonna try to write a sketch this week called the Bathroom Awards.
C
The Bathroom Awards.
A
The Bathroom Awards, which I don't think Bathroom awards, like, best. Best sank.
C
I don't know. One thing about LA is there'll be certain restaurants where they're like. And there's no rules here. I have amazing time, but you can't take a photo in the bathroom. You know what I mean? Like, have you ever interacted with where it's just like, just no photos in the bathroom? What is that?
B
I don't know. But I'm like, if there's one place we should be able to take a photo, it's the bathroom, clearly. And then I'm like, photo time, photo time. Touch up time.
C
Yes.
A
It's a holy space. And a good interior decorator will say, the most important room to decorate in your house is the bathroom. Because it's where your guests will be alone. It's the only place where your guests will be alone.
C
Boom.
A
And they'll snoop around.
C
I wasn't gonna do. So I have an apartment in New York now and I wasn't gonna do. Gonna do my bathroom. But then I was like, you know what? We have to do the bathroom because of that reason. And also it's just like, okay, also I have a bathroom with a bathtub.
B
Yep.
C
I don't need it. I'm ripping it out and I'm doing a walk in shower. And I don't care if that decreases the value of it later. My thing is just like, I don't want a bathtub. I hate stepping over something. Cause let me tell you what can and has happened.
A
Yep.
C
Two people in my life. Sometimes the bathroom gets hot and sometimes you get a little bit, like, overheated. And then like, you don't want to have to step over the bath. No, like, you gotta, like, you need to be able to come right out. I'm gonna tell you a story after this. Bathrooms are hazardous.
B
They're dangerous. They need to be easy and they.
C
Need to be aesthetically appealing because people need to have their eyes open.
B
Yes.
A
Yes.
C
Bathrooms are dangerous.
B
Eyes.
A
Address.
B
I totally can have a hard time in a bathroom, like, shower. Like, especially, like, coming home from an event or something. You're, like, falling in the shower. No, you've hit the J.
C
You hit the J.
B
Yes. It's really. Basically. I agree. I will say, there's something so fun about, like, the. I'm sorry. Like, when I used to pass out at chorus concerts on purpose for attention.
A
At what concerts?
B
Chorus concerts in high school and. Oh, my God, every single one.
C
We're back in on this.
B
Back in on this. And they're picking you up. You go, like, I'm so embarrassed.
A
You're not.
B
I'm so embarrassed. Like, I love doing that. I love when I'm like. I'm trying to think of the last.
C
Time I was, like, at a concert probably, like.
B
Or crying or bow.
C
And on the plane.
B
Yes. And you're freaking out, and you're like, I just wish this wasn't happening right now.
C
I'm so embarrassed.
B
Everyone goes, no, no, no. Keep passing out. Pass out more like, that's the best thing. I feel like the.
A
I love that you passed out a chorus. I love Erin.
C
I'm seeing the rafters just like.
B
I do pass out. I did once pass out on a family vacation, and it was, like, so embarrassing. And it was like. The other thing I did once on a family vacation was throw up three times in the van on the way to the airport because I was hungover, and I threw up out the window, but then it blew back and blew back into my sister's window. And my whole whole family was like. My parents were like, everyone. Everyone wanted to, like, make fun of me. And my parents were like, everyone needs to be nice to Rachel for the next, like, hour until she feels better, and then we can all dunk on her.
A
That's really good.
B
But we need to just take a second before we dunk on her, because she's, like. She's shaking a little feeble and weak.
C
She's infirm.
A
Family management.
B
Yes.
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All right, listen up. Four words that will change your life.
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Okay, that's out in like seven words because you added so much drama. Thank you.
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B
Three.
C
It's our minute to rant and rail against something in Kulch, and I'm turning to Baheed and I'm asking him to do the thing we said we were going to do, because mine is a little bit different.
A
Here we go. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's crime starts now.
C
I don't think so, honey. Asmr. It's not that I don't like it. It's just that I don't get it. Is this sexual for you? Or is it like, sexual soothing? And I wonder, am I even allowed to? I don't think so. Any of this. Or are people that love ASMR like a protected class? Okay, so then if this is true, then I'm excited to do this.
A
Ooh, tingles.
C
I saw Lady Gaga and Catherine Zeta Jones do this, and I was like, for something that seems kind of niche, these are two huge stars, and they were promoting Wednesday, which feels very commercial. So I guess ASMR is commercial.
A
Commercial.
C
Are you obsessed? Like, I don't think so. Any that I necessarily get it. I'm willing to learn. But is this something that I could have a career in? Because it feels like people do this, like, exclusively for money. And I'm just really excited to explore and hear what you guys think. I just don't think so on either. I get it. Is this horny? Is it soothing? What is it? What is a S M R I D T S?
A
And that's one minute.
C
Boom. And we're back to normal volume.
B
Thank God.
C
How did you feel about it?
A
I feel like you, once you learn the conventions, once you learn the things to do. So you just did ASMR in a whisper. There's soft spoken.
C
Oh, so that I could have been what?
A
Soft spoke.
B
Like this.
A
Soft spoken is just you're phonating and you're not fully down here in the whisper.
B
Gaga.
C
Gaga was doing it like this.
A
A lot of people default to the whisper, but Cardi B, she kind of had a viral W magazine ASMR moment. She clearly knows her stuff. Okay, so she was kind of going from the whisper into the soft spoken. I feel autonomous sensory meriting response tingles.
C
You're into it.
A
I love.
C
Oh, so you love that. What I just did.
A
So I wouldn't say I loved it. I just want to inform you that there is a really beautiful community out there. Okay. Queen of Serene. I got a shout out. Queen of Serene, the mother of all. Asmr. Gentle whispering. Maria. She basically invented the form. There's the woman who does the Alexander technique, who inadvertently does asmr. That's an iconic form.
B
So you're pro asmr.
A
I'm not pro. I'm an enthusiast.
B
Okay.
C
Okay.
A
My gateway into this was Queen of Serene and Maria. Gentle whispering. Doing towel folds because she used to work as a housekeeper at a hotel. And also she does celebrity face tracing where she talks about. She traces, like, Natalie Portman's face and talks about what movies she likes. Oh, it's like. It's a very cute. It's not super. It is a little sexual because it has to be. Some people do, like, you know, gussy up a bit, I guess.
C
My thing is, like, when I'm hearing someone whisper to me, I can't help but make think it's a little sexual. You know what I mean? Are you with me on that?
A
Yeah, I agree. I see what you're saying.
B
Yeah. It feels like. It's like. They're like. They keep being like, it's not sexual. And I'm like, don't make me feel like a pervert.
A
Right.
B
Is it or not?
C
Cause my thing is, like, if they're a protected class, people who like asmr, I will respect it.
A
They're not.
C
My thing is just. They're not. But my thing is, like, I just want to understand.
B
They're protected class.
A
They're not.
B
They're not.
A
I'm here as, like, as an enthusiast.
C
So you're one of the people.
B
You're part of the community. And he's saying. And I'm saying, drag me.
A
It's fine. It's totally fine.
B
Yeah.
C
Okay.
A
Drag, drag, drag.
C
Well, I'm excited about getting into it. I don't think I could possibly get what you're getting out of it, because I get relaxed. It makes me go like this. When someone whispers in my ear, I'm.
A
Like, she does color analysis. That's the tingles.
C
Okay.
A
She does color analysis on celebrities. She does, like, has, like, you know, like, the thing. She's. She's really good.
C
I mean, that's my first foray into it. What was my Add on Think song?
A
That was a very good.
C
I hope that people like it. I hope people understand. Are you ready?
A
I'm ready.
C
Okay. This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
A
I don't think so, honey. We need to go back to buttons this. Ooh. This is so nice. Touchscreens are toast. They're chopped. Touch screens suck. I don't ever want to see an iPad ever again. I wanted to be a cash register on God as a child because they were pressing buttons, having a blast, beeping with the scanners. And now I'm buying four keyboards. Fawking, falking. Creamy, creamy. That's ASMR for you. My girl Maria also does keyboard asmr. She rolls slime on the keyboards. And then Thok, Thok, thok does that. That's called a thocky button. I'm talking to everybody behind the camera here. We all. We all my gamer guys in the room up in this piece, queens, we're going.
C
15 seconds.
A
IPhone, iPad, Gaming, Chopped. It's all about the button press on the controller. Because guess What? Kinect, whatever, PS5 seconds, whatever, all the other camera stuff, it's not the same thing. I need to press the button to feel something.
C
That's why I'm gonna get tapped on it. Certainly I can applaud for myself.
A
I'm sorry.
C
To press a button than it is to do us.
A
That's.
C
You know what I mean? I'm like, wife.
A
I'm. I'm over it.
B
Can I touch?
A
Yes.
B
Yeah. It does feel really good.
A
Feels so nice, right?
C
I was saying sometimes, like, sometimes you're like. You're so.
A
That is sexual for you.
B
That is.
C
This is the sound, touch and sounds episode. Yeah. You like that?
A
Yeah. Yeah.
C
It reminds you of some. Reminds something. Yeah.
A
Of force, which we don't do anymore. I. I feel like we've gotten worse at fucking because we don't do. We don't do that because we don't have buttons. We don't have buttons. Literally.
C
You think you're worse at fucking because.
B
You'Re not crazy tonight.
A
Light up the J and push.
B
And push.
C
Have you been lighting up the J?
B
I actually have. I stopped lighting up the J for a couple years because I was getting paranoid, but then I started bringing it back.
C
You're so back. You got it.
A
You got it.
B
I'm so back. As long as I do it with one person that I trust, I'm okay.
C
Just one person that you trust?
B
Yes. Because actually, if I do it alone. Scary. Two people. Scary. One person that I trust. Safe.
C
See? One person that I trust sometimes. Like. Like, it's a.
B
You don't trust them totally. You're like, who are you? Who are you?
C
Or like one. One time I didn't know the person that well, and he was like, come over. We'll smoke a J and we smoked a J. And I was like, are we going to fuck? I'm nervous about that. And I can't get out of my head about if we're gonna fuck.
B
No, it has to be someone that you either know you're gonna fuck and you fucked them before and you're in safe space or, or like best friend, family.
C
We know it'.
B
Here's the thing. Once I smoke a J, I start talking.
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
A
King.
B
And I don't hold back from the truth.
C
No.
B
And I don't know about any sort of. I am not someone who like tells gossip. I'm. I'm like a lockbox until. But if I'm off the J, off the J, on the J, on the J. If I'm on the J, I'm just so. It's like I need to be with someone. So there's like three people maybe that I can smoke weed around.
A
That's, that's, that's self aware.
B
Yeah. And if I'm alone, it's bad because I just start like. I just start like. I think maybe it's cause I still live in the place that I live with my ex boyfriend, but I start like picking up a fork and being like, who ate off this? Yeah, like what happened? I get freaked out by my.
C
You want the history of that?
B
It weirds me off.
C
So do we count as one person that you could smoke weed with?
B
I can smoke weed with you guys.
C
Yeah, I bet you can smoke weed.
B
But maybe I could only do you guys one on one.
A
Oh, you can't do three people.
B
I think it's just because then I start to be like, am I talking over everyone versus am I talking like. I would be like. I think I would. I think it needs to be a no, Rachel.
A
What I want, when I get stoned, I go full non verbal.
C
He wants someone else to talk.
A
I want someone else to talk.
C
Which is where I come in.
B
But we would crush together.
A
We would crush together.
C
You guys would crush together. You guys would just probably sit and watch something.
A
Oh, I would love that whole thing.
C
You would talk through.
B
Do you remember where the opening of Shrek. Oh my God, it's happening right now.
C
Wow.
B
I love it. Ah, it's so good.
C
I can't wait for the Duloc scene.
B
I love the Dulck.
C
The Duloc scene is one of the great moments in culture.
A
Here she is wiping her face.
C
It's literally. It's actually what made Shrek a global phenomenal. Dulock Is duloc Is Dulaq is a perfect place. Wow. I really did like their key.
B
Do you know what's crazy is that movies for children, I continually watch them back to and I'm like, this is reflecting in our culture right now.
A
Oh, yes.
B
Duloc is the government right now. And I'm like, it's haunting Fairy godmother.
C
What duloc is is the government.
A
Is the government.
B
Is the government.
C
Wait, what's that? Dula culture number 50. What DULOC is is the government. It is.
A
Rachel, it's time for your. I don't think so, honey. Oh, it feels like old times.
B
Ugh. We're back.
A
This is Rachel said it. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.
B
I don't think so, honey. Driving. Okay. I should not be behind the wheel or anytime ever. And you know what? I'm taking everybody off the road.
A
Yep.
B
Here's what I'm cool with. Walking, bikes, train. Totally fine. Here's something else. Waymos. Okay. Nope. Oh, they just found out a way for cars to drive themselves, and I think that's safer because I am in Los Angeles and nobody knows how to drive. And if you want to drive in la, the only way to drive in LA is to break the rules.
A
Yeah.
B
If you want to drive, you have to be turning off on reds. You got to be doing a left on a red. If you want to drive, you got to be speeding. If you don't want to get hit from behind 100, you got to be texting if you want to know where to go. So I just. You can't. You can't drive safely to drive at all. To drive safely, you have to drive dangerously. In la, I get in car accidents once a quarter, and I'm sick of it. No more driving.
A
I do want to ask you about that, because this is like. It is like. I think you were on the carpet being like, Yeah, I get into an accident, I'm like, rachel.
B
And not bad ones.
C
No, like a voter, bad ones.
B
But they always happen to me because I follow the rules. Yeah, I follow the rules. And because of that, I'm always getting infendable. I put on my blinker. I look, I turn, I go. I'm entering that lane. Can I get over there? By the way, I get stuck because people are breaking the rules. Like I said, it says don't take the a left from 11am to 4pm People don't care. They're taking the left and the right. So now I'm stuck behind you for 45 minutes. I need to get over to that lane because I'm late for work, because I have my job. So then I'm putting on the blinker, and then I go, okay, I'm going over there. And then someone speeds. Bam, they hit me.
C
No, the aggressive people get their way on the road. I'm one. I'm one of them.
B
That's technically my fault.
A
No, you just.
B
That happens to be on Valentine's Day.
C
Oh, God.
B
Yeah.
A
But you saying to drive safely is to drive dangerously. Wow. Wow. And to drive dangerously is to drive safely.
C
Well, people have different schools of thought about this. There's like the defensive drivers who are like, I'm super careful. I'll sometimes stop at like a green, like, you know what I mean?
B
Just in case.
C
But then I'm like, yeah, but like, those are not the rules of the world.
A
Those are not the rules of the world.
C
Defensive driving is not. And maybe I'm like, not necessarily getting the definition of defensive driving. Right. It's ultra careful. But which in theory should. Sure. But those are not the rules of the road. Because green means go, babe. Green does not mean slow down.
B
Yes.
C
Yellow means slow down.
B
There's sort of this, like, in between way to drive that. It's like we have the people over here and over there. It's like, look, at this point, if it's like a yellow, you need to, like, let the people. You need to stop if you're going straight. If it's a yellow, you need to stop so that the people who are doing the left turn can do their left turn. But they're doing it a little bit on race red. But are you guys going to speed through and take the. The yellow light?
C
Well, do you know about the. If you're making so b. It depends. So I'm a little bit speed up on yellow.
B
Well, I'm speed up on yellow, too. But at a certain point, you have to stop so that the people can do a left on rest.
C
I think we can all make a gauge.
B
They're going to take my license away, by the way. I've done a full press tour where every day I go, I can't drive.
C
I close my eyes in the car.
A
But they're taking it away because guess what? You just excavated the truth. But I have to ask you, if a waymo is driving, isn't a waymo driving safely? It is, but then that's dangerous.
B
No, but this is the thing.
C
If it's all waymos waymos, then there's no problems. Then there's no problem unless the grid goes down. You thought about that?
B
We should just walk more.
A
Yeah, I agree.
C
Well, you know, when I first moved to la, I was walking like from like Larchmont to weho, I walk. I was everywhere. Everywhere. But you really, you quickly run out of gas on that. And my friends that move to LA now, and they're like, I'm going out every night, I'm walking everywhere. I'm like, you've got three weeks on this. Yeah, but it's three weeks on this. But yeah, I mean, you're certainly gonna get your steps. Because it's not a walking city.
B
Yeah.
C
Like, you're not.
B
And something that looks like a normal distance that you would have done in New York.
C
Oh, forget it.
B
Two hours and you're going over an underpass and you're like, this is interesting.
A
Are you driving a lot on the show?
B
I am.
A
That's a lot. That's gotta be tough.
B
It's a dri. Yeah. To drive. To drive.
A
To drive.
B
But we do sometimes have that thing where they put the car on the other thing and they're dragging you.
A
Yeah.
B
So you're just pretending to drive. That's my favorite.
C
Yeah.
B
And I'm like, how do you.
C
My way. Do you feel good? Do you feel good at that? Like, are you just like, oh, I can totally. Do you give like spontaneously, like a this.
B
I give. I almost give. Not looking at the road at all. I'm so focused on checking the blinkers as an actor that it looks like I'm not looking at the road. I'm doing like way too much action. It's like, just sit there. Yeah, just sit and deliver. I can't. I'm like this.
A
No, you're being. No, you're being really professional about it.
B
Can I dig through? Dig through the box, the little. Whatever that thing is. The hole in the between.
A
The hole?
B
Yeah, the hole in between the two car seats that you put your stuff in.
A
The cup holder.
B
The cup holder.
A
But you. But you're doing the equivalent of like an actress going on set being like, be fun. If I was like opening in like a bottle or something. You know what I mean?
B
Yes. I'm guilty of that. Sometimes where I'm like, no, it's so helpful. Let me think of props. Could be making a plate of spaghetti.
C
What's my business?
B
They're like, say the lines. Say the lines. Cuz now you're making a tuna sandwich for six more hours and we're all smelling it. And props has to reset the tuna.
A
You're thinking. You're thinking like a producer. Damn.
B
Now I'm going in on multiple levels.
C
Well, you have to, being a Hollywood hotshot.
B
Yeah, you gotta think of everything.
C
Okay, Well, I love LA. It's Sundays at 10:30, by the way. We love racing Sunday show. Come on. Like, Chair Company.
A
I love la. Love. I was saying, like, this is the perfect time.
C
It's a great evening.
B
It's actually hilarious. Me and Tim Robinson next to each other. When they do the photos of me getting laser hair removal next to Tim Robinson, I'm like my sister. You guys are sisters, like, on the thing like this. And Tim Robinson, like, in a suit, like. And I'm like, yes.
A
Hbo.
C
Hbo. We would have it no other way. Oh, my gosh.
A
To say we're proud of you is patronizing, but, like, it's not at all.
B
It's exactly what I want to hear.
A
We're so, so proud of you.
C
We are so proud of you. You've been fucking killing it.
B
I love you guys so much. I. I literally. We need to, first of all, host the Oscars again. You need to join, guys. Bring us back and we'll pronounce the name of and just literally a joy to see you guys.
C
I know. This has been so great. I'm so happy.
A
It's three safe people. We can all get stoned with each other.
B
Yes.
A
And y'. All.
C
And y' all behind the scenes.
A
And y' all behind the scenes.
B
And everybody who I met this morning. But I trust they're trustworthy.
C
It'd be a vibe. All right, well, we end every episode with a song. I love Elaine. I wish. And here's the thing. Like, it was called that, and it is in the first episode, and I was like, I realized I don't know any of the other words to this.
A
I just know.
C
But I do love.
A
To listen to.
C
Kris Jenner's version of it.
A
Yes, yes, of course.
B
That's how I first knew about it.
C
To listen to that, stream the Kris Jenner version of I love la.
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Please stream Kris Jenner.
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Air date: December 3, 2025
Hosts: Matt Rogers & Bowen Yang
Guest: Rachel Sennott
This episode of Las Culturistas reunites comedians and real-life friends Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang with actor, comedian, and creator Rachel Sennott, just as her new HBO show "I Love LA" premieres. The conversation roams from their early New York comedy days to living and working in Los Angeles, personal growth, and the complicated, relatable beauty of being a little bit "elevated messy" in adulthood. It's a warm, hilarious, and self-reflective trip through formative moments, career milestones, and the cult(ure) of community in show business.
Rachel on Growth:
“What I’m hoping is that now I’m a more evolved person—where I have a little bit more balance, a little bit more freedom, intuition, and I can have fun. But I’m not completely out-of-control disaster mess.” (16:37)
Reflecting on Community:
“That’s community care—50 people in the community just descending on you to show support… but we also have to get ready for our baby.” — Bowen (07:17)
On LA’s Rule-Breaking Driving:
“If you want to drive in LA, the only way to drive is to break the rules... To drive safely, you have to drive dangerously." — Rachel (86:07, 87:51)
On Generational Support:
“What I really feel like our generation, our grade has done really well—we were all in high school together—is actually genuinely supporting each other and having each other's backs...” — Rachel (48:46)
On Adulthood Shifts:
“As we get older, we may be less invested in the things that would’ve devastated us earlier.” — Matt (62:50)
"Elevated Messy" blends nostalgia, vulnerability, candor about addiction and adulthood, and earnest celebration of growth. Through laughter and self-examination, Rachel, Matt, and Bowen reveal how evolving careers and locations have forced them to rewrite what it means to be “messy,” find joy in the process, keep their core crew, and confront adulthood—and how comedy, at its best, remains a communal act of care.
For newcomers, this episode is a spirited, relatable snapshot of artists growing up—but refusing to grow boring or lose their vital mess.