← Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
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Band tee, not just a tea, the band tee.
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Shop ebay for millions of finds, each with a story. EBay. Things people love. Look, man, there. Oh, I see my eye. Oh, my Bowen.
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Look over there.
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Wow.
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Is that culture? Yes. Goodness.
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Wow.
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Las Culturistas.
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Ding Dong Lost. Culturist is calling.
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Talk about. Oh, Yeah. What do you call that?
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I call it a flourish.
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A flourish.
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I call it a flourish. Is it flourish or flourish?
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I guess it's regional. I would say American flourish.
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American flourish. Title of it. American flourish. Oh, shit.
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I don't know that that those words go together well.
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Okay, the headline is, we just got back from the Olympics. Thank you. To NBC and YouTube for sending us. And yeah, if you want to hear specifically about them, you can listen to two guys, five rings, which sort of bookend this by coming out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But we talked a lot about it there. But being American nowadays, in a word.
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In a word. Hmm. Does your name show up in the Epstein files?
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It does not. I can confirm my name does not show up in the Epstein files. And if it does, I have to say it's the other Matt Rogers. And I'm pointing all my fingers everywhere else because as you know, I am like millions of Americans. My name is Matt Rogers, but if I'm. If there's one in there, it ain't me. Are you in the E Files?
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I don't think so. But I will also blame the other Matt Rogers of the world if I am.
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Are you the only Bowen Yang?
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No, no, There are certainly others. You know, it was very like Broad City, the episode with Alana and Alia Shawkat. Like there was once. I was once friends with another Bowen Yang on Facebook. Remember that era of social media where it was like you're handle on a site like Facebook was your real name and you could search via other names like government, Christian, religious names, like what your like other people.
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You can find community this way.
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And so I tried that with another Bo Ning and he seemed to be very weirded out by like my outreach.
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He was like, I don't want to just on the basis of name connect with you. He's like, that won't be enough for me.
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And I understand now he's. He was, he was way ahead in emotional intelligence.
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I could shout out one other Matt Rogers who is actually a Grammy winning country songwriter.
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Mm. Not the one with the Christmas album. Different Matt Rogers.
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Okay, so there's one that's a Grammy winning country songwriter that's separate from the like sort of, I'm just gonna say raunchy, more conservative comedian.
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American Idol. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And that's different from the American Idol.
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It's a fourth one.
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Yes. Which is also different from me.
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This is into the spider verse. This is literally. I think there is like a multiverse sort of action comedy. I think you could write a Christmas, a multiverse Christmas special with all four plus of you.
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Yeah. This guy Matt Rogers is a sports podcaster, but his handle is Politido, which made me think he was like a political person.
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But he's a dope fiend.
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Oh, yeah. Just to. To go back to the Epstein files of it all for a second I have been wanting to say something, which is that I feel, in a real way, what's kind of getting lost in all of this is the fact that, yes, it's kind of becoming this, like, political game of, like, can we get Trump and all these horrible, awful men? But. And then people have said before me, obviously, that, like, there's real victims here. I feel like I just want to put out there and just reach out to everyone that it's not just the victims in this case. This is, like, when things like this come out, it's, like, incredibly triggering for anyone out there that has any history or experience with being abused, whether. Whenever that happened in your life. And so I have just, like, really been wanting to say to everyone, like, because it feels like an incredibly rough, dark, awful time. Obviously, I know we're all feeling it, but I just wanted to show love to anyone that is feeling, like, really harmed or triggered by this being casually in the news every day. And I feel like we sort of get so numb to every single moment, feeling like we have to be on high alert when we watch the news or, you know, receive any information about what's happening in the world. But I did just want to stop and say, this is not normal. This should not be in our lives every minute of the day. This. Will they or won't they, about whether or not there's going to be accountability in this awful thing, which is. I would. I would go out there and say the biggest scandal maybe ever. And even that feels like diminishing what it. What it is, which is just sheer pain. And so I just wanted to reach out to all of our listeners and say, I'm sorry if this is hurting you and if this is triggering something in you, because I really think it's starting to become very cavalier, actually, the way people just kind of, like, throws around and it's not okay. And I'm at the point now where I'm just like, we need to burn the whole fucking thing down at this point because we need to start creating and living in a better world than the one we're living in where. Where we're still protecting these people.
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That's what's coming out, though, is the casualness. Like, it is the way that, like, these people, like, were joking about openly calling themselves pedophiles monsters, but it's like they're not even, like, hiding behind. It's like, no, there's. There's not even, like, an irony behind it. It's like they're like, yeah, this is what we do. Anyway, what a great note to start this podcast.
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No, but I mean, like. No, no, no.
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I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just popping the bubble. I don't. I'm not, like, defending what you're saying.
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We were talking about this. It's been a time when the dark stuff is so beyond anything. I think we've. We've taken in direct succession again and again and again and again. It's not just like, oh, that thing happened. That sad. It's, oh, that thing happened that's, like, devastating and would never have been in our purview in other eras, like, where we were out here consuming, you know, news and media. And it's, like, bizarre to comment on pop culture sometimes. Like, I don't know if you feel.
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Like this lately, but, like, I haven't consumed it.
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I guess what I'm saying is, like, well, I don't know, algorithmically, like, maybe I just pushed the wrong buttons because now it's just all this, like, conspiracy stuff about, like, the Epstein of it all, and I'm just like, I have to put my phone away and back. Back off and, like, give myself a hug because it's all so crazy. But I think that in a time when we're, like, commenting on pop culture and stuff, and it feels, like, so blended in with our political reality and the dark reality, I just feel like we have to say out loud, like, this is, like, it's. It's been unbelievably bleak. And I just want to show love to our listeners and the readers and everybody. Everyone under the umbrella. Because I know I've been feeling like shit. Like shit.
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Yeah. I have sort of done the thing that I do, which is I sort of ensconce myself in, like. Which is, I think what everybody's doing. It's like, oh, let me just fully burrow in, like, comfort. And, like, I've been very, like. Everyone's like, let's, hey, like, we're going out to this place. And I'm like, no, thanks. Everyone's being Kristen Wiig at me being like, hey, come over here. And I'm like, no, no.
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Well, you did go to that Lunar New Year New Year party.
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That was fun. Yeah, that was very fun. Which I didn't know until after the fact that it was Hudson Williams Birfday party.
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Wow.
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This is where I go. I've fully aged out of things. It was like.
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Did it seem like a young vibe? No, no, no, no.
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It wasn't even that. It was just. It's not that I've aged out. It's just that I am fully in my introvert agoraphobia bag. Like, oh. I was like, oh, right, it's Fashion Week and it's Lunar New Year and it's like just all these things are happening. I felt like I was just in the thick of things in like the, the main event of the thing, which was the Olympics.
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And.
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Okay, so, like, this is just taking stock of, like, what this year has been for us. We did Oscars, we did. I guess you could say we did Coachella, which also felt like another, like, energetic, like Nexus energetically, like a thing that, like, people like, talk about go to, like just a meeting place, a thing. I don't know. And then, like, stuff over the summer, right? Like U.S. open. Like, we've gotten to like, go to these great, I would say, like, fun things and then, like, Olympics and then like SNL50 and then just like, just like we've like. It's just been a very overstimulating year.
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We've been relentlessly plugged in, that's for sure.
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And like, something about going to. Going from like, Olympics right into like another concentrated burst of activity just made me go like, okay, this is like, more than anyone is, like, meant to handle. And I actually. And my heart goes out to people who like, work on this schedule of, like, having to be at these, like, high concentration, like, biomassy events where like, people gather and people like. Because I'm like, this is. This is a lot. And you just see like the billboard of the world everywhere. It's like you see every fucking brand and thing. And then it makes you. It makes us kind of go like, wait, I guess like, everyone's job now is just to like, say how much they love, like, this. This brand or that brand, including us. Like, I did a freaking super bowl ad, for goodness sakes. Like, it's just. I'm dealing with like. Like, I thought I had done like, the post mortem of like, the big, like, flashpoint of my life in January, and now I'm like, oh, it's still ongoing. There are still things that we. That, like, I'm about to go to Antarctica tomorrow.
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Like, there's.
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There's just like, I am done being stimulated, to be honest.
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I think you need to make an active choice to just. I have said this to you. You need to learn how to be bored.
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I love being bored. Oh, my God. So what I've been doing, this is all to say I have been like a million things came out this weekend that I, like, wanted to see or, like, wanted to engage with. And I just haven't, like, I still, still haven't pressed play on the Wuthering Heights album.
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Oh, my God, you haven't. I also saw the movie. I am, like, I'm bursting to talk about.
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So you're, as usual, like. And I'm grateful for you. Like, you are, like, going out into the field, in the words of Wendy Williams, like, you are in the field, frightened of Cornova. Like, you.
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I just did that. I mean, like, there's so many things to talk about. I guess. I think that what I'm delineating from what you're saying, which I think actually is a pretty universal thing right now. It's hard to show up. Yeah, showing up is hard right now. Like, showing up is weird. Showing up takes a lot of energy. I think everyone in their life right now, it's also a weird fucking time of year. People are not doing well. Things are not great. And so everyone's dealing with their own saturation at a certain level. Level. And that's, I guess, why I just wanted to get on here and just like, try and show love to people and. Because it's been really hard. Like, it's. It's been a really weird, dark start to the year. Because it's one system. Our one soul, like our one cultural soul right now is not happy. And maybe that sounds woo woo or.
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Like, bizarre, but the present condition is like, extremely, extremely depleting. That's it.
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And I think that means that we can't or it's very hard for us to show each other empathy. And I think that it's just important that we do that for each other and that we do that for all of you. And so with all that being said, I did see Wuthering Heights, which was devastating.
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Oh, in what way? So sad, huh?
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But felt right for the moment because it felt a little cathartic for the moment. Like this bleak fucking portrait of tragic, like, romance. I think I loved it. Okay. And you know, Emerald Fennell is a. Is a controversial figure on this podcast because it actually was Saltburn. And our reviews of Saltburn, which caused Tina Fey to come in here and do her. Authenticity is dangerous and expensive. I don't think so, honey. Because we've had. I think because when you go see a movie of hers, there is a lot to talk about.
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Yeah.
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Like you. You therefore leave with a lot of strong reactions. And I've realized that that is good and Maybe makes her one of my favorites because I am leaving now with a ton to say and feel and more. And I think at least that in the picture of everything that's going on right now has been kind of a good thing because I did go to the theater and for 2 hours and 16 minutes I didn't think about anything else than what was truly happening on screen. You know what I mean? Like as it gave escape. And I think that artistically, creatively, culturally that is what we need because of what we're talking about right now. It being incredibly hard to even show up in the bleak ass fucking reality. I need more of this gushy type of movie, like fantastical reality stuff. I, and, and you know, I've even been thinking more and more about getting into video games.
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What has, what is, what's, what's piqued your interest?
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I think just exactly what I'm saying, just like what's a way I can occupy myself in another reality, in another dimension that has nothing to do with really with social media and with reality?
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Yeah. So to me like it's no like there's, there's something intellectually logically great about anytime someone's like oh, that person is really into video games and they like. And with that connotation it's like they are a shut in or they don't socialize much or whatever. Right. And all my life I've like kind of reckoned with that and I like I'm a little bit confused and I push back on that notion a bit where I'm like, I'm a social person and I love video games and I've balanced, I've balanced those two loves like all my life. And then as we're like, as you and I are talking about stuff where we're like oh like we're working on things that are about like people trying to get in somewhere and get into places or like who are very aware of the way that things are stratified in this world. Just even you talking about like going to a movie and escaping for two and a half hours. I know this is like well trod stuff where it's like this cinema is an escape. But either there's like a really interesting binary now of like people are either staying home and isolating and like that's like loneliness epidemic, blah blah, blah, blah blah. Or it's like people are ravenous about going to the, the right party, the right fashion show, the right movie, the right concert, whatever.
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Yeah.
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Like it's either about like complete curation of your own, like, internal space, or it's about, like, aggressively needing access to something that's outside of that.
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Yeah. It's a higher anxiety around all of it, I think, as a result of the world being the way it is. And also post pandemic, like, us coming out of the first couple years of that, which were, like, a frenzy, and now we're settled into just like, okay, this is now fully post Covid. Movie theaters are really struggling. Like, it's hard to get people out, you know? And then I go see this one. I can't believe you haven't even listened to the Charlie album.
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I've listened to the singles that have been put out. I have not listened to the full. Like, the full album. Yeah.
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I laugh as these words even come out of my mouth, you guys, because I. I get what it sounds like. So I'm not gonna say it's my favorite Charli XCX album. I am gonna say I am blown away by her a fucking again. And I don't understand how she did this, doing everything else. She was doing the just impenetrable brat machine that's been going for two years. She somehow found time to not only do this companion album to Wuthering Heights, but to completely crush it and push herself forward in a way that she clearly, like, finds acceleration in being busy. Because the strings in Charli xcx, we had heard that this was gonna be what she was gonna explore musically, that there was gonna be orchestral, you know, elements, the push and pull of the strings on some of these songs to create tension, to ride the waves of what these characters are going through in the movie. I had already loved it before I saw the movie, and then I saw the movie, and I enjoyed it even more. She has real talent in terms of what she can do cinematically with her music. She's got a huge future, probably. And she didn't score this movie, but she did the music for it. But I would wager to guess she scored other things.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That she is going to have a huge future. She already has a presence in. Obviously, in film. Yeah. Well, in culture, obviously. But in film culture, yes.
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Yes.
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What she's capable of is so good in terms of atmosphere, cinematic atmosphere. She clearly got this rendition of Wuthering Heights. Because it isn't Wuthering Heights. It's like a bizarre sort of salt version. It's a slant version of Wuthering Heights, but, my God. And it's like her lyrics are more poetic than they've been yet. It's pure pop, but it feels like it's for the movie theater. It's. She's on one.
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Of course. She. I think she was saying in interviews for this project that during the chaos of Brat era, that she was like, you know, Emerald texts her and is like, will you do a song? And she's like, I'll do you one better. I'll write. Write a whole album. And then she escapes into, like, the Bronte Sisters. Or I think she, like, at least read Wuthering Heights. And that was, like, the escape that she needed from this. Like, I think, like, again, we're not saying anything new about escapism as a. As if. As it, like, functions or as we, like, need it, like, on a sort of, like, psychological level. But, like, I think that is thematically, like, obviously, like, running throughout all of these things in the current moment as, like, you and I are talking about all of these things kind of wearing us down. Like, the world being, like, things politically, being completely helpless and powerless. Anytime we try to think of things in terms of politics, in terms of. At the end of the day, it should just be about making sure people are better off that materially. Like, even our Laura Dern episode that made me come away from things being like, wow, even she has an awareness of the fact that people do not have the things they need to survive in this world is what is true. That is universal, basically, except for, like, a very small group of, like, let's say Epsteiny people. But, like, otherwise, like, everyone needs this. Everyone is tapping into, like, escape. That's all. Yeah, I don't know. I'm. I'm saying things that are, like, so.
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No, I mean, generally true. The opportunity to get this as an artist for her was clearly leapt at. You know what I mean? Like, she. I feel like I don't like talking about them in the same sentence because so much has been made about it already. But it felt like what folklore felt like for me when I listened to it in terms of Taylor. Whereas this is like an experience outside of herself, AKA the novel and this film. But it's still all the things that Charlie does best. Like, it's incredibly emotional, emotional pop on this landscape. It's just. The landscape is different from what we had come to find from her. Did you ever read this book?
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No, never.
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Okay. I had never read it in high school either. But people talk about it like it's one of the ones people ride hard for. For Brontes, it's so dark and fucked. And Charlie was the perfect person to ask to do it. Because there is this like pouty fatalism the entire time. Especially watching it and knowing it's gonna end incredibly badly. I just. John August said on Instagram, he posted like a picture of the poster. And this is when I had just left the film and I was like, huh? And I'm sitting with it thinking about it. And then John August said, emerald Fennell makes the movies she wants to see. I fucking love it. And I was like, you know what? In that regard, I'm actually thinking about all three of her films differently. Because you can even watch the three of them. I haven't done this yet. I think I will. But you could even think of them as operating in the same timeline, like in the same universe. Like, she has a color palette. I really like watching again. Her departments are on 10 Charlie now being one of them. She clearly has people that want to give everything to what she does. I think if I have an issue with this movie, it's just the fact that because it is not actually Wuthering Heights, like therefore the story's not. Doesn't feel like it's completely on the screen. Like, it's just maybe not enough happens in Act 3 for me to be like really taken over the top with it. But what I love about this movie far outweighs what I don't like about it. Like, I just love choices. I think what I needed right now is what we're talking about, which is like this big Victorian cartoon with huge emotions and like sex and like blood. And I just really heavy handed sound design and like I just loved again how gushy it was. It felt like it felt like an entree sized dessert.
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Whoa. Dessert for dinner.
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Felt like ice cream for dinner. Felt like too much pie for dinner. And I love that. Yeah, it was indulgent in all the best ways. Like someone said that it's their favorite movie out of the three she's done because it feels like at least has to be about something. Whereas, you know, like Promising Young Woman is obviously about SA and about the patriarchy and the poison that that is. And then this is kind of just like, yeah, here's a tragic fucking romance blown all the way out. You can tell it's probably, you know, her favorite novel. So much so that she didn't try to remake it. She just said, I'm gonna make. Yeah something in this image because I fucking love it.
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Well, because romance, you can do. Forgive the term. Like at scale you can like, you can blow out romance all the fucking way.
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Yes. And we appreciate it.
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And we appreciate it. And it works. It can be. You know, romance can either be super small and intimate or it can be. It can horseshoe around to being like the grandest fucking overture thing ever. And it works on whatever scale. Like, I think if you're gonna do, like, a class parable or like, something about wealth. About wealth. And if you're gonna do something about sexual assault, like, that is. Those are. Those are big swings that I think people really wanna see, like the landing stick.
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And they have intense reactions to those. Like, I mean, both. Both those movies garnered intense reactions. And it's because what she does is incredibly bold. So she brought that boldness to so much of this movie. But it didn't feel like even the moments that felt like, sensational and that we've come to expect from her, they felt balanced now because. Because they. Across the board, we were just living in a heightened reality that. And not to say that it wasn't about anything because obviously it's about so many things. It's obviously about trauma. It's about.
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It's about trauma. Jamie Lee Curtis.
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Yeah, but it was funny because, like, you're just like, isn't everything. But in a real way. But I guess what I'm saying is this. I was excited to see her adapt an existing work because I was like, now she can just focus on putting all of her onto it. And I really liked seeing all of her onto it. And Jacob Elordi, I think his Oscar chances increased. I don't know if he'll win, but he's fucking great in this.
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He's amazing.
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Yeah.
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Oh, well, I can't speak to this movie, but I generally find him to be unbelievably talented and great at every, like, at what he's done. Like, almost pound for pound, like, roll for roll. I'm always like, well, yeah, I think.
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I didn't really know because, to be honest with you, I'm kind of. I'm kind of a neophyte when it comes to being exposed to his gifts. Because I'm not a Euphoria girly and I'm not a Euphoria girl. It kind of makes me dizzy.
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Of course, I understand. I. It took me. I think I watched the first episode of Euphoria and then waited, like, a full two years later to watch the rest of the show. And he, from the beginning is like, well, who's that guy?
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Right, right, right. Exactly.
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You know what I mean?
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I feel like watching Euphoria in the very beginning when, like, it reminded me of being in, like, in, like, seventh grade when. When, like, you were in health class and you were seeing, like. Like the day in health class when. I'll never forget this one day. Maybe everyone had a version of this, but there was a day in, like, seventh or eighth grade was in health class where they were talking about STI and they were showing pictures of stuff that could. Maybe this was, like, a Scared Straight tactic, but there was pictures on the board of, like, what happens to your body when you get this sti or that one or that one. And it just.
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I modeled all of those pics, so.
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It spun me out so much that I remember one day, all the blood left my face and I had to lay down on the table. And then I was sent to the nurse's office for two hours because I couldn't. Like, I just. I don't know what happened to me, but I get that feeling when I watch Euphoria. Like, I'm just like, oh, my God, this is so overwhelming. Like, I don't know what it is. It takes over the systems of my body and shuts them down.
- [30:35]
A
It's body horror. It's body horror, but yet it's not.
- [30:38]
B
But it kind of is. You know what I mean? Because it's teens in these kind of situations, and it's so stylized and, like I said, casual. I'm just like, oh, like, right.
- [30:47]
A
What do you think of this sentence? Sarah Sherman, like, broke this open for me. We are, all of us, human bodies that all have. Are governed by the same processes that are, at the end of the day, disgusting.
- [30:59]
B
Oh, 100%. And I think that the media that we're talking about makes that extremely clear.
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- [33:19]
B
If you did a Sarah Sherman podcast, it would get listened to.
- [33:24]
A
Like, it would.
- [33:25]
B
It. It would be in the top 200 going. Yang Sarah Sherman podcast 100%.
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A
I'm. I'm gonna do it.
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B
But she's right. And she should say it. And she should keep saying it.
- [33:34]
A
And she should keep saying it. It's.
- [33:35]
B
It's like that in. In Saltburn. I mean, in Saltburn, it's like that in Wuthering Heights too. It's like there's so much, like, blood and gore. Well, not even blood and gore at the end. Like, you get, like, stylized stuff. I don't think I'm spoiling anything here to say that the film ends in significant death. And it is, you know, tragic and stylized and not to call it. Not to call it death. Romantic, but it is romantic. You know what I mean? Like, it's in that.
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A
In.
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B
In the definitive way. It's just grand and it's a statement. And I've said this about her other films too. Like, she has a fascination with the corpse.
- [34:18]
A
Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
Like in the first film, I'm not spoiling. Well, this is a spoiler alert for promising young woman. But at the end, when Carrie is.
- [34:28]
A
There's a moment.
- [34:28]
B
Yeah, there's like, a lot about her corpse and the way it moves and sounds and the way they have to break it down. And then that happens again in Saltburn when. Spoiler alert. Jacob Elordi is found in the. In the maze. And you hear the flies around his body and you see, I believe it's Richard E. Grant goes up to the body and tries to move it. And, like, the sounds it's make are very stiff. It's just. It's all very. I mean, the first scene of Wuthering Heights, I'll say a spoiler alert for 15 seconds is a man is being hung in the town square and the entire crowd is, like, ecstatically and euphorically looking at his erection while he takes his last breaths. And you're like, okay, we are at Emerald Fennel's Wuthering Heights. And then it just continues. But it is this fascination with corpse and like, like corporal function or lack thereof, that kind of does connect Sarah Sherman to Emerald Fennell. And I bet you didn't think that would happen there at the end of that thought.
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A
No, I. I love it. Any. Any. Anything that relates back to Sarah Sherman makes me happy.
- [35:41]
B
But it's. But it. It is there. Like, it. It is like, there is. I don't know. I would be interested in the perspective on that. Like, if we ever do have Sarah Sherman on this podcast and ask her a real question or Emerald Fennell, just, like, I would ask, like, where are you coming from when you tackle the human body this way? Like, I do think it's fascinating.
- [36:04]
A
Well, the thing that I would genuinely love to ask Sarah is she draws the line at what she will not was. It's boogers.
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B
Yeah. She goes.
- [36:16]
A
Because I'm like, sarah, why. Why don't you like to do booger stuff? Or why don't you like booger stuff? And all she's ever been able to say to me is, I mean, what are we?
- [36:26]
B
Like, we're grown.
- [36:27]
A
We're grown ups. Like, are we seven?
- [36:30]
B
So much of her humor is like. And then their head comes off. And yet boogers are like, what are we, children?
- [36:36]
A
She's. She's like, connect.
- [36:39]
B
I mean, that episode with her, it's rare we get blackout, but we didn't even drink that much.
- [36:45]
A
Can I say we had one Martina.
- [36:47]
B
Each, but we felt drunk. Well, it's kind of like that thing again. Warped reality, escapism. It's like we wanted to be drunk. And so we were.
- [36:56]
A
And so we were totally. Wait a minute. Back to you. Potentially. I feel like We've always been at the precipice of this, of you wanting to try video games and it never totally works well because I can't figure.
- [37:08]
B
Out how to plug it in really or get the games on the, on the thing. Once I figure out how to load games onto the Wii, it's over for you.
- [37:16]
A
Hose you can easily. I think there's plenty of resources out there. I think you have people in your, in sort of your, your network and your orbit who can help you with that.
- [37:28]
B
In the words of Charlie XCX I want to be Taken out of Myself, which is one of the new songs on the, on the album.
- [37:34]
A
You go take me out of myself.
- [37:37]
B
Someone and show me it' to become a little gamer because I, I really was one. Like when we were at the Super Nintendo Museum, I was like, I was this girl, I was. That little girl was me, was me.
- [37:52]
A
Can you talk about. I'm gonna give you like a little Helix sleep quiz.
- [37:58]
B
Okay.
- [37:59]
A
Do you want narrative or does the story not really matter?
- [38:06]
B
I think this is an annoying answer because I would get nowhere with Helix by saying something like this.
- [38:11]
A
It doesn't matter.
- [38:12]
B
It would depend on the type of narrative. Like if it's a compelling narrative. 100%. But you have. But also my entire history is in like achievement based, super Smash Brothers type Mario Kart type stuff. I one time played the Super Mario RGP on the Super Nintendo, which I.
- [38:31]
A
Thought was a great Mario rpg. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [38:34]
B
I thought that was amazing.
- [38:35]
A
Uh huh. They re released it. They remade it for Switch.
- [38:38]
B
Did they? With the same narrative?
- [38:40]
A
Same narrative. They just updated the graphics.
- [38:42]
B
Wow, cool.
- [38:43]
A
So when we played Split Fiction a few weeks ago.
- [38:46]
B
Right.
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A
What did you think?
- [38:48]
B
I loved it because you know what I loved about it? The fact that I felt like it was clear what I was supposed to do and how I was supposed to do it. Is that an example of a game for babies?
- [39:02]
A
No, I don't think you need to worry about for babies because there's, there's like a, there's like a running joke now among the gaming community that like games now. So this might surprise you. Games from when you were a video gamer as a child and in your younger years were harder than they are now. Really? Yes. And I know that might be hard to believe. There's obviously games that are. There is like a genre of games that are purely about difficulty and about like you are supposed to die and fail, like Roguelikes, Elden Ring, Dark Souls, fromsoftware games. So like Patty Friend of the Pod Patty Harrison loves those games. That's where she and I differ. Like, I do like a bit of hand holding. And I think you might as well. I think the perfect balance for you is. And I tried to get you on this is Breath of the Wild.
- [39:58]
B
Yeah. So there's something. Okay. And I'm just gonna say this and I'm gonna. It's. It's just my truth. Okay. There's something about Zelda to me, which is a shame, which is that there's no humor in it.
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A
I see what you're saying.
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B
I think I need things to be a little sillier and dumber or more.
- [40:22]
A
Final Fantasy is a great option. There's, like, a lot of weird shit. I think Dragon Quest is actually really a good option, which is what I've been playing the last 72 hours exclusively. Dragon Quest VII reimagined you, I think, and I think this will motivate you. I think Jared, our friend Jared loves the Spider man games.
- [40:42]
B
Yeah, he does love the Spider man games.
- [40:44]
A
And those are wonderful experiences. Yeah, I think you would really love those. Great storytelling, great voice acting, great gameplay. You really do feel like Peter Parker or Miles Morales as you swing around. Okay, so it's a run. It's a wonderful time, considering. And there's a great Asian villain.
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B
Oh, really?
- [41:04]
A
Yeah.
- [41:05]
B
I'm looking for something else to fill my time with as I head on tackle the. Which I think we all must do. The social media addiction and social media reliance, like, just having the phone not be a thing. Got like the reality that. That me really needs to be more of my life. Like, got me on this. And so I'm just.
- [41:27]
A
Like I said, great cure. It's a great cure.
- [41:30]
B
Take me away Take me out of.
- [41:32]
A
Myself what is it? What's the Charlie lyric?
- [41:34]
B
Take me out of myself.
- [41:36]
A
Yeah, it's.
- [41:38]
B
It's so good. I'm excited for you to listen to it. It's. And every song is good. There's a song called Seeing Things, which is amazing. Always, everywhere. It's so good. There's. There's a wall of sound. This song, wall of sound. In the movie, it's like I said, the push and pull of the strings and Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi. Like, there's something about it where in the beginning I was like, is this. Do I like them together in this? And then by the end I was like, yes, I like them together in this. I think it's just part of the stylization. Again, like, I did not expect myself to go in and be like, fuck, yeah. But I'm leaving kind of being like, fuck, yeah.
- [42:15]
A
Okay, great. I love this.
- [42:17]
B
Did you watch Bad Bunny?
- [42:19]
A
I did. Of course.
- [42:23]
B
Of course I watched Bad Bunny featuring Estefania.
- [42:27]
A
Estefania and Enrique Martine. Is that. Is that his full first? Is that his, Like, I have no idea.
- [42:37]
B
He'll just be. Always be Ricky Martin to me. He's having a huge month, when you count the super bowl and the fact that almost all of the ice dancing routines were to some medley or version of Ricky Martin's greatest from the 90s.
- [42:54]
A
So in the round of Ice Dance that we saw, it was a 90s night. And so it was a lot of Ricky Martin, a lot of waiting for tonight. Not just J. Lo, not like the Broad J. Lo catalog, but it was like, waiting for tonight. Some of them mashed it up with if youf Had My Love. But it was really staggering. And you went, okay, okay, here's another version of this. And then. I mean, I loved UK doing a Spice Girls medley.
- [43:22]
B
There were so. There were so many great choices. Again, probably the best choice of song they would ultimately win was the French pair doing Vogue because it gave you something to latch onto.
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A
Sure.
- [43:36]
B
But I will say, every time you heard un do stres alle, you were never upset.
- [43:43]
A
No.
- [43:44]
B
And we were living la vida loca.
- [43:46]
A
Yeah.
- [43:47]
B
And I'm happy that Bunny brought on.
- [43:50]
A
Oh, my God.
- [43:51]
B
Of course.
- [43:51]
A
You have to.
- [43:52]
B
You have to.
- [43:53]
A
I'm still playing Where's Waldo on that shot. Of all the people at the house, still people partying. I just thought it was like what the Billboard was saying. It was like this gorgeous explosion of love. I was like, ugh.
- [44:10]
B
That was Benito giving everyone a hug.
- [44:13]
A
That was Benito giving everyone a hug.
- [44:15]
B
That's. I guess what it is is it's like showing up now in a way that's. That visible means, like, okay, here's your opportunity to send a message to the world. And the fact that he, as a person with a worldwide platform, said, my message is joy. My message is love. My message is togetherness. My message is positive. My message is hope. Like, my message is not, wow, this Olympian that's speaking out, like, in. In a way that is a loser. Like, whatever. Not to even bring out a given because they're all such fucking jokes. But Bad Bunny shows up with a worldwide platform, and his message is, hey, here's the most fun, most expressive, most passionate music of the year, fresh off my Album of the Year win. Here's everybody. Here's up a literal party on stage here. It is and received for sure.
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A
It's like the tight shot of him walking through Sugar Kane. It's like, it's intimate. It's like, it's like you're following someone through, like this like organic, natural thing. It's, it's. I don't know. I mean, like, we're already like two weeks after the fact because we've been bouncing around doing our various jobs. But like, I think it's, I think it's, it's truly one of the best, one of the most indelible, one of the best.
- [45:38]
B
It was up there for me with obviously Beyonce, obviously Gaga and the Shakira and J. Lo one. I always put respect on its name. And I do rewatch the Katy Perry one a lot. I actually love that Katy Perry halftime show.
- [45:54]
A
Someone. I think, I think there was a clip of it that went around of like when she said, I know a place, Sing it. And then the whole stadium did sing. Where the grass is really greener. You gotta hand it to her.
- [46:07]
B
You have to hand it to her. Like, a whole stadium doesn't lie. It's actually rule of culture number 20. A whole stadium doesn't lie.
- [46:13]
A
Doesn't lie. But you do go like, Katy Perry in the current day is tough. This is purely, purely us retrospectively being like that. What a, what a lovely moment in super bowl halftime show history. And that's, and that's really it.
- [46:31]
B
I mean, look, I, I am moving forward with arms wide open for everyone that is in an evil fucking hag. Like, that's, that's, that's the energy I'm moving forward with. And I think that's what Bad Bunny would want us to do. I just, I feel like all the little quibbles and quabbles, like, not to say that people shouldn't be, like, held to account for, like, things that they've done. But, like, I am mad at Katy Perry. Like, the world is too. The world is too much to hold to hold bad feelings in your heart against Katy Perry. I think, I think. Don't you think?
- [47:06]
A
I just think about the nun. I just think about the nun fair.
- [47:13]
B
But I'm saying the nun. If the nun was really walking in Christ, wouldn't the nun say, forgive her dying breath?
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A
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B
Speaking of forgiveness, what do you think is going to. How do you think this Tyra Top Model documentary is going to pan out?
- [49:11]
A
The fact that we're talking about it this much, as in, like you and I and like our friends next week.
- [49:16]
B
We have the highest anticipated event of the year for me, I cannot wait to see this shit.
- [49:21]
A
It legitimately feels that way. I feel like Netflix has not put this much pretty promotion into something like this in a long time.
- [49:29]
B
Well, they, they, they don't traditionally, I agree with you. It does feel like there's been lead up to this where you don't traditionally get that with Netflix, they kind of are like, hey, something's coming out in two weeks. Flop. Yeah, yeah, it'll. It'll because of the way they move through their content, but this does feel like it's being eventized. And then for her to come out and be like America's Next top model season 25. And she said, my work is not done. I said, I couldn't be more interested. Couldn't be this.
- [50:07]
A
Was this what we were saying last time, though? Cycle 20, the cycle that we were watching on VH1?
- [50:15]
B
I mean, we watched the last one that was on at all and by the way, I never told you this, but there was one contestant. I won't say who, but I remember watching it because we actually. We recapped it for Vulture, but I was watching it, and there was one girl who all of a sudden was just kind of gone. Like, she was like a. She was. She was like, maybe made it to, I don't know, top six or something, and then she just left. And it seemed like everything wasn't all the way well with her in cycle.
- [50:44]
A
24, in the end that we covered. Yes.
- [50:46]
B
And last year.
- [50:48]
A
Oh, no.
- [50:49]
B
I walk into a coffee shop around where I used to live in Queens, and. And there's this girl talking to the barista, and I'm like, where do I recognize this girl from? And it was her. And so I had sort of a friendly relationship with the barista. And so I'm looking at her, and then I look at him, and I communicate with my eyes, like I think I recognize her. And the look that he shot me back was. Don't.
- [51:15]
A
No, don't. Don't bring it up.
- [51:17]
B
Don't. And I was like, Well, I wasn't going to, by the way, because once I clocked.
- [51:24]
A
You knew. Yeah. Yeah.
- [51:25]
B
Well, because I feel like, especially with Top Model, like, those girls, like, you don't. I would never want to get into it with one of them because it's so clear that it was not a healthy atmosphere. Like, it. That's the entire conversation around it now. That's why we have this documentary. So I would like. But I was thinking in that moment, like, it was so wild that his reaction to me was to shake his head with wide eyes because clearly people were affected by their experiences in, to put it mildly, adverse ways.
- [51:58]
A
Yeah.
- [51:58]
B
And so now it's. It's to see it occupy the news again, especially at a time when we're talking about how young women have been subjugated and treated and trafficked across the world. I don't know. If it were up to me, probably wouldn't be bringing it back, but, you know, I do.
- [52:17]
A
We think that Tyra is eager to return to it because she feels like there's something redemptive.
- [52:26]
B
I think she wants to do the right thing. I will say that.
- [52:30]
A
Of course. Yeah.
- [52:31]
B
I really do think that she probably thinks. You know what? I hate that this is the narrative around this. I, too, was once a young model. I know what it's like to be treated, you know, in ways that, again, to put it mildly, were unsavory. And, like, we can't even begin to know. And I'm sure she doesn't want her name and something that she, you know, brought into this world to be associated with destroying the psyches of young women trying to work in the very same industry that she made it in. I'm certain that she feels like there is an opportunity here, and I really don't believe and don't want to believe that it's just about her image. Like, I hope that she wants to restore what she broke here.
- [53:21]
A
Right. Because there was a time when that show was at the forefront of reality television.
- [53:28]
B
I mean, yeah, you could argue that it defined that we wouldn't have a.
- [53:33]
A
Drag race without Top Model, or. Yeah, because it was. Because Drag Race, there was a time when Drag Race was just. Was, like, very actively parodying Top Model.
- [53:44]
B
Well, yeah, the entire. The entire conceit is. Is based on that format that Ru.
- [53:53]
A
In drag was Tyra and Ru out of drag was Tim Gunn.
- [53:57]
B
Pretty much.
- [53:58]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [54:00]
B
The Project Runway meets. Meets Top Model. And you get Drag Race.
- [54:04]
A
You get Drag Race, totally. Which is to say that, like, image saving, like, I think is part of it for Tyra, but I don't think that's, like, a totally inadmirable. I don't think that's, like, a bad thing necessarily. Like, she. I don't know. I don't know.
- [54:23]
B
We don't know her. So it's hard to say, but it's like, at this point, I would just want to assume that with everything we know about how dark the world is and how fucked, like, at this point, it's like, you wouldn't. You wouldn't consciously bring back that television series to make things worse. You know, you're not gonna, like, line them up and be like, all right, which black girl? We turn in white? You know what I mean? Like, it's never going back there. But I would imagine, and I would hope that they just try to do an honest depiction of what it would be like for people to come and try and make it in the modeling industry and not sensationalize it for dramatic purpose, which is unreal and harmful, but also not sanitize and go all the way out of the way and make it toxically positive. Because, Loki, those are just not fun to watch. So make it competitive and make it. Make it edgy and make it relevant to what the industry is. But let's not chop a girl's ear off, because the challenge requires it.
- [55:31]
A
Sure. Underrated gem. I think people must watch. OMG Fashion, Hosted by Julia Fox with Law Roach Yep. And rotating judges. It's just. You're in and out. Julio put me on. I think he put us both on it. It's like Julio's favorite show. It's like every episode is 25 minutes. You see? It's like, three contestants per show.
- [55:54]
B
It's a breeze.
- [55:55]
A
It's a breeze. Oh, it's just delightful. And you see people, like, make fashions. It's so fun.
- [56:00]
B
It's really good.
- [56:00]
A
What would you want to do?
- [56:02]
B
So have you been exclusively on the video game Tip, or have you been watching any Bravo?
- [56:07]
A
I've not watched much Bravo at. I've not. No. You're watching Summer House. You want to talk about Summer House?
- [56:13]
B
I'm. I'm watching Summer House, and it's hard because I love Kyle and Amanda both.
- [56:19]
A
I know.
- [56:19]
B
And I. I feel like I. One thing I really don't like is when couples fight in front of people and their friends. Like, I. I.
- [56:28]
A
It was happening already.
- [56:29]
B
I'll never. For. Oh, God. It's just like. It's so thick. It's really. What it is is it's just two people who. And we can say this because we've been around them, we know them. They clearly love and adore each other. They just shouldn't be together, which we know is happening. But it's watching people in real time kind of realize, like, the anxiety is creeping up in different ways for both of them, which is like, oh, my God, this isn't working. And now I have to decide to extricate myself from the situation, and that is so stressful.
- [57:07]
A
Mm. Yeah. I mean, should we say that, like, when we were with them before they started shooting, that things seemed okay?
- [57:18]
B
They seem like they love each other. It's just that. That is. And we also were hanging out with them in, like, a heightened atmosphere, partying in camp. You know what I mean? Like, but then.
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A
But we were with. We spent time with them.
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B
Oh, yeah, no, definitely a lot of time. I was like, they. It was funny because, like, I had never really watched Summer House for years, and so I got into it in the last couple years, and when people were saying, like, oh, the whole, you know, Kyle and Amanda of it all, blah, blah, blah, I'm like, that feels, like, really blown out of proportion to me because I was just, like, around them, and, like, they're. They're. They seem great. And then you watch the show and you're like, oh, it's that thing of when. When the cameras are rolling and it's. Let's roll on reality. You Kind of have to be real. And it just feels like either they grew apart or.
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A
Yeah.
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Or it's just that thing of, you know, you're realizing who someone is growing into is someone that they can. They can no longer do anything right in your eyes. Like, it's. It's that thing of like when you're at the end of a relationship with someone and they kiss you and you're just like, ugh. Like it's the smallest thing. And I feel like they're there and it bums. It bums me out to watch.
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A
It's that thing where when the cameras are rolling, you are performing to them, but it's very hard to be dishonest. Do you know what I mean?
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B
Yes. And the thing too is like, you can tell they have two different responses to that. Where Amanda's kind of being like, fuck it, I don't care.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And she doesn't really care, the way she comes off. And Kyle is sort of like being a bit petulant and his, like, some of his behavior, I'm like, okay, well, that's not okay.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
But then some of the way she talks to him, I'm like, well, you know, you. We can understand. They're just in a cycle where it's like, you guys, it's never, it's. It's. Unless there's like a two week inpatient, like couples counseling, like, you're not gonna get to the bottom of this.
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A
And this is just overall like a comment. Not again, not a new one, but a comment on reality television or like documentary filmmaking, just non fictional, non narrative. There's cameras around for a long period of time. So on Traders, just to, just to rebut Sarah Sherman, it's like, yeah, people are gonna act crazy and say you're being evil because the cameras are rolling for like 14 hours a day. Like, you're going to start act. You're gonna start behaving within the world of the show in a very particular way. That's why Housewives act out on these, on these shows, on these trips. That's why Drag Race girls, like, start to like, you know, like, spin out when, like, things don't go their way. It's like the human behavior under observation like, that is bound to, like collapse. It wears itself out and erodes so quickly. You know what I mean? And I know that we kind of understand that culturally, but I don't think we fully realize, like, I have to be reminded of that. If you're watching Kyle and Amanda, like, sort of start to fray at the edges. I'm like. And I'm like, but they were so fun and can't. I'm like, oh, right.
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B
Because it's like, of course, yeah. Because we're not watching a documentation of this that's then edited for narrative. But it's just. I don't know, it's. There's the whole rest of the season and then they have the show in the city. So I'm like, wondering how that develops out. But it's funny because, like, I am watching the show and I'm like, I'm falling into the thing of, like, I'm like, oh, I could be friends with all them, like, in a way that I never really was. With Vanderpump Rules. With Vanderpump Rules, I was kind of just like, okay, these, you know, these people doing these things, these creatures acting like this towards each other. But with Summer House, I'm kind of like, I feel like a little parasocial towards it to the point where I'm like, okay, I got to watch this on vacation because. And also, like, there's like, it's even more voyeuristic. Like, I get it now in a way that I was like, oh, I don't know why I watch Bravo if it isn't like, you know, middle aged women plus. But now I do get it.
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A
But Vanderpump, it's like, oh, Jackson James. And like, no, these. I'm like, I would never be around these people.
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B
Whereas it's not the same with Kyle. And I feel like the popular thing with Kyle right now is to, like, totally dunk on Kyle. No, but I'm sorry, like, I do understand what Kyle is saying a lot of the time, like, talking about, like, you know, of course, on face value, like, him being out djing when Amanda has said for years, like, I don't want you out doing that. Like, I want you to prioritize being home with me, less drinking, et cetera. But then him giving the shade that, like, it's something he's had to do professionally because lover boy is having a tough moment and he gets paid to go do this stuff and it's easy money. Like, that does. That does create a new shade to it. However, by the same token, if she's asking for one thing and she's not getting her one thing, and then you're going to turn around on her and say she smokes too much weed, it's like, dude, you can't go there. It's like she's living her fucking life. The way she wants to.
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A
That's different from like James Kennedy, like, being violent, you know?
- [62:49]
B
Like, I would argue that Summer House is a bunch of complicated dynamics, but none of them are bad people. Like, on other shows, there are full blown bad people existing. And yeah, it's funny when. Cause now you see, like, they get one opportunity to cut someone from some of these shows and they're like, bye, because we don't want to deal with your.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Bullshit. But Summer House is like. I really do feel like one of the reasons why it's a great show is because I get where everyone is coming from in a way that I think is more interesting to watch because you can actually have a discussion. You can actually play devil's advocate here because there are no devils.
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A
Yeah, that's great.
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B
I love that man's advocate.
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A
Complicated person advocate. Yeah. Well, I think it's time.
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B
I think it's time. I'm looking down at my list. I did make a list of topics here. I just want to shout out, just because I haven't said it on the podcast yet. At the end of the Tokyo trip, we all just. We all discussed our highs of the trip and I just wanted to share my high with the readers, which is that I got to do the last ever Jaws ride in Universal Studios, Osaka, and I'm going to post pictures. Pictures from it. I haven't posted any pictures from Tokyo yet because it's honestly been so, like. I was like, there's so many pictures here. And also I'm trying to take the importance out of posting about it. I've just been enjoying the fact that I went on it. But I did want to share with everyone who's been following along from the beginning that I did reconnect with, in many ways, the culture that made me say culture was for me, which was the Jaws ride, which was done by.
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A
A legend, an amazing skipper. She was. You've. You've had female skippers before?
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B
We had a female skipper. I had never had a female skipper in all my years in Universal Orlando. So we go to Osaka. I'm like, oh, my God, we have a female skipper. I'm like, she's about to pull out a gun, she pulls out a fucking gun. She did the whole thing. She was giving acting. She was giving eye, small eye acting. She was screaming, firing, just feeling that. That fire on our face. No, they were doing the pyrotechnic effect still from my childhood. Going into the boathouse, hearing the score, watching that fish pop out of the water. I mean, it just Gave me everything. It was so healing and I needed it badly. And it gave me such joy. And so that happened. And I have to say, if you're a fan of this culture, it might not be over for us because there's light, light, light, light, light. Rumors that it could potentially be possible, like, I, I, this is wish fulfillment really. But that it could come back to Universal in Orlando because they're gonna knock down that horrible Fast and Furious supercharged, you know, that God awful Fast and Furious ride. And Universal in Orlando, it's like where.
- [65:42]
A
The, the bus, like lines up with.
- [65:44]
B
Yes, yes, it's terrible. So they're knocking it down because they're putting roller coaster in that's replacing the rip ride rocket. So now there's that whole area that they could do something with. And I was watching this video the other day. I'm back on Lexapro and on my bullshit on YouTube, which is like watching the theme park construction. And they were saying that there's a possibility they could knock it down and recreate the Jaws ride. But it's never gonna happen. But I'm just gonna continue to put it into the atmosphere because of what I just experienced at Universal in Japan. Like, it was so good and we all got off of it. And it was by far our favorite thing because it was like practical and fun and stupid and narrative. And it had a live actor, which rocked. Anyway.
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A
The live actor, I think, was the thing that really was the binding.
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B
Yes.
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A
Like, it just, she really, she made you go, oh, thank God that wasn't just a screen. Or thank God that wasn't like, you know, like.
- [66:48]
B
Because that's what Universal was like, that's what was so cool about that theme park, in contrast to all the Disney parks back in the day, was that you had a, you had like live participants in the attractions that interacted and interfaced with you. That made you feel. Again, the slogan was initially ride the movies. And so it put you in.
- [67:10]
A
Yes, because you had a proxy. Exactly.
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B
The actual environments. And that was a lot of the attractions. Whereas now, you know, it's different. But that was what I loved and appreciated about it so much. And I felt like a boy again.
- [67:22]
A
Oh, my God, I love that I enjoyed it. So I wouldn't say equally as much because it was, it just had a different emotional valence for you. But I really, I was like, oh, yeah, this is what I love about theme parks about.
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B
It was so fun.
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B
I do. I'm going to be returning to the Wuthering Heights of it all because there's an unsung part of it, and I believe she's an unsung part of culture. And I want to talk about this.
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A
Hung Chow. Oh, my gosh. This. Okay.
- [69:34]
B
No, it's not Hung Chow, but Hung Chow is great in this movie. But I feel like everyone already knows Hung Chow is great. Of course, Oscar nominee, etc. I'm going to call out someone else who I've mentioned before.
- [69:45]
A
Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so. Honey's time starts now.
- [69:48]
B
I don't think so, honey, that this name is not on the tip of tongues. Alison Oliver. So she is in this movie, Wuthering Heights. She's also in Saltburn. She's the sister, Venetia in Saltburn. And in this movie, in Wuthering Heights, she Plays Isabella, who's the ward of the dude that Margot Robbie marries for wealth. She is like. Imagine like Anna Paquin, but, like, cracked. Like, she's essentially doing clownery in this.
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A
Movie in many ways.
- [70:19]
B
She gets into a BDSM relationship with Jacob Elordi, which is really insane to watch. She barks like a dog and crawls on the floor. She has it right behind the eyes. She's a nut. And I love this actress. And she was so different and incredible in Saltburn. She had that bathtub scene in Saltburn that was so good. She's got. She eats this movie up. This is. I really liked this movie. She's my favorite thing about it. And I need her cast in more things because it's really just Emerald putting her in a lot of shit. More. More. More of this actress, Alison Oliver.
- [70:52]
A
That's one minute. I love it. I love that Emerald's muses are Jacob and this queen and Alison Oliver. No, she. She was great in Saltburn.
- [71:00]
B
I'm telling you. Her performance is my favorite in the movie because it's as crazy as everything else happening. And Anna Hosnier, our producer, says she's really good in the show. Task. I see. I didn't even know what that is like, and I didn't know much about her, but. But I saw that she was in this, and I'm like, oh, that's the actress that I really liked from Saltburn. And now I think I have to adopt her.
- [71:26]
A
Mm. How old is she?
- [71:31]
B
How old is she? No, you know what? I actually know she's 28. Alice Oliver. Let's see. She's 28. She's 28 and 5. 7. And her boyfriend is Josh O'.
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A
Connor. Oh. Oh, my God.
- [71:46]
B
How gagged are you for that?
- [71:48]
A
I love that, man.
- [71:50]
B
She was at the SNL after party. I did corner her. Oh, okay. So I'm not the only person on this train. So it does feel like there should be a moment to celebrate her.
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A
I can't believe she might even get.
- [72:01]
B
A Culture Award nomination.
- [72:02]
A
She might get a Culture Award. I. I might have even said hello to her as well. I spaced. What a great couple.
- [72:09]
B
You know what, though? She looks way different in person than she does in either of these roles, which is another reason why I really like her, because you look at a red carpet photo of her and you're like, that's not. But that is.
- [72:21]
A
That is. But that is. Well, you must adopt.
- [72:25]
B
I think I'm adopting this. This person seven years younger than me. Okay. Bone Yang, do you have An I don't think so, honey.
- [72:33]
A
I believe so, yes. Okay.
- [72:38]
B
This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. It's time. Starts now.
- [72:41]
A
I don't think so, honey. Gummies. I think we've gone too far with them as a vessel, as a delivery system. You're a grownup. Take the pill. You can swallow a pill. It doesn't have to come in gummies, okay? You can take the melatonin in a pill. You can take the vitamin in a pill. Because this is what happens when you put a bunch of crazy shit in a gummy. It starts to taste like shit. Leave gummies alone. Give them candy. Don't put a bunch of stuff in them. I'm even gonna. Gonna say, don't even put weed in them. Don't even put shrooms. Don't even put drugs in a gummy. Because you're grown up. You have to walk through the crucible of your choices. And you cannot infantilize yourself by making these things that are adult consumables and putting them in candy and in a childlike delivery system.
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B
And that's one minute. Peek behind the curtain.
- [73:45]
A
There's too many shapes. There's too many shapes. There's too many animals. That's good for candy. It's not okay for. For things that, like, we might need for our joints.
- [73:55]
B
All right, let's not play.
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A
Let's not play.
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B
And also, it's like, grow up and swallow the pill.
- [74:03]
A
Swallow the pill.
- [74:04]
B
And guess what? Cut it in half. Cut it in half.
- [74:07]
A
Go pour yourself a glass of water. I'm sure you can hydrate more as well.
- [74:12]
B
Yeah.
- [74:12]
A
And I'm sure. I'm sure that you don't need to keep so many. I don't know.
- [74:19]
B
It's just like, someone's gonna, like, send an Aaron dm. Be like, I have a disease where I can't swallow. So you guys need just. Please.
- [74:29]
A
It's okay.
- [74:30]
B
Then put it up your butt.
- [74:32]
A
That sounds.
- [74:32]
B
Put it up your butt. Kind of does. I did want to just peek behind the curtain. We have an episode coming out with Monet X Change next week that we already recorded, and I do. And I don't think so, honey. About something you mentioned.
- [74:45]
A
Oh, I spoiled. Well, can we. Can we bleep that out?
- [74:49]
B
Bleep it out, but don't cut it.
- [74:51]
A
Did you put that in a gummy? Did you take any.
- [74:53]
B
It was in a gummy. It was in a gummy. I don't think it would have been better if it was in a pill. In terms of my experience, but at least it wouldn't have offended you. But I did want to come out and say I had been using blank.
- [75:08]
A
I'm not blaming you.
- [75:09]
B
No, but I had a bad experience because it didn't taste good. It didn't feel good in the morning. And also another thing is when these things get hot, they will get all gushy.
- [75:19]
A
Ushi together said gushy so many times. I know.
- [75:22]
B
Gushy really has been like gushing out of me.
- [75:25]
A
Gushy. Is it the same as gushy?
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B
Gushy, gushy, gushy. Who knows? Gushy is the title of this episode. G U S H Y Gushy, gushy, gushy House of Gushy Things we didn't get to today. Harry Styles Aperture. I love it. Excited for this new era. Grammys best new artist goes to Olivia Dean and JFK and Carolyn America. Love Story. Did you see that viral clip of.
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A
His big dong you were telling me about?
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B
This I you've just been playing video games.
- [76:04]
A
I've been playing video games.
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B
We're gonna find out if that's a real dong. We're gonna find out. They want us asking the question.
- [76:10]
A
I think you would like Final Fantasy 10. Cause I think just hearing you talk about story, it's one of the best stories in all of. I didn't we talk about it with.
- [76:20]
B
Monet and I kind of sat there and like, let my sisters really rally. It's a great episode with Monet. X change.
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A
It's a great episode.
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B
And anyway, for now, by the way, I just want to end this by saying Oscar for Charli. XCX for Wuthering Heights. I'm not kidding. Give her the Oscar for Chains of Love.
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A
Love that support. Okay, we end every episode with a song.
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B
Chains of Love approval shouldn't feel like a prison.
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A
To hear more of that, listen to Wuthering Heights by Charli xcx. Chains of Love. Bye. Las Cold Races is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio.
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A
And mixed by Doug Bain.
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