“Kinsey Is A Feeling” (w/ Lucy Dacus)

Summary

Las Culturistas: “Kinsey Is A Feeling” (w/ Lucy Dacus)

Podcast: Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Episode: Kinsey Is A Feeling
Guest: Lucy Dacus
Date: December 10, 2025
Network: Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this vibrant, often hilarious episode, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang welcome indie songwriter Lucy Dacus for a wide-ranging, deeply personal conversation at the intersection of queer identity, pop culture, formative art, and the power of connection. They delve into essential questions — from self-perception and the meaning of queerness ("Kinsey Is A Feeling") to childhood fascinations and the cultural resonance of the Muppets. Laced with banter, bits, and bursts of heartfelt sincerity, the episode tackles vulnerability, artistic expression, the sublime, and why you shouldn’t judge a boy by his dangly earring.

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Table of Contents

• Cultural Chemistry and Guest Welcome (03:04–06:14)
• Kinsey Scales & Sexuality as Feeling (06:36–08:32)
• Fart Confessions, Bowling Alone & Self-Perception (08:32–14:21)
• Hotness, Ego & Affirmation (14:21–15:46)
• Meeting Lucy: Shyness, Missed Connections, and Approaching Others (15:47–17:01)
• Cover Songs & Culture Awards (17:02–18:07)
• Movie Night, Paddington 2, and Joy in Art (18:19–19:10)
• The Muppets, Miss Piggy, and Culture’s First Love (20:39–24:55)
• Gender, Queer Readings, and Interanimal Romance (24:57–27:02)
• Touring Asia, Australia & Cultural Curiosity (27:02–28:28)
• The Uber Therapy Effect (28:29–34:31)
• Boundaries on Planes & Uncomfortable Connections (34:31–38:02)
• Knowing Yourself vs. Being Known (20:10–20:28, 38:02–43:02)
• Awe, the Sublime, and Niagara Falls (48:37–50:05)
• Koalas, Kangaroos, and the Animal Experience (59:12–62:49)
• Tour Life & Food Chat (65:06–67:10)
• “I Don’t Think So, Honey!”: Ick Polemics (72:47–89:10)
• Cultural Snapshots, Dangly Earrings, and Expression (84:02–88:54)
• Surprises, Vulnerability, and Closing Notes (89:10–End)

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Detailed Summary

Cultural Chemistry & Warm Welcome

[03:04–06:14]

• Matt and Bowen riff about their bond, with running jokes about coming “from the dirt” and mutual support:

  “I’m so fucking proud of you, bitch. How far you’ve come from nothing to everything.” — Matt Rogers [04:43]

• They introduce Lucy Dacus with adulation, teasing about a fictional “collab” single and fondly recalling sharing the stage and cultural awards.

Kinsey Scales & Sexuality as Feeling

[06:36–08:32]

• The crew dives into queerness, the Kinsey scale, and the idea that sexuality is an evolving feeling more than a fixed number:

  “I think forever is a feeling. I think it’s a feeling. Kinsey is a feeling.” — Celeste [07:16]

• Lucy notes the anxiety of being “found out” as uncool by a crush and reflects on self-consciousness in attraction:

  “I’m intimidated that you have a crush on me because you’re going to find out something about me and just think I’m lame. That’s the thing about having a crush, right?” — Lucy Dacus [08:03]

Fart Confessions, Bowling Alone & Self-Perception

[08:32–14:21]

• Confessions about personal icks (Celeste is a “far-ter”), using humor to talk about intimacy and vulnerability.
• Playful debates about attractiveness to oneself versus in photos.
• Bowen’s mantra:

  “In the mirror, I’m a supermodel to myself. I’m so hot to myself...In all pictures? Gremlified, truly. Burn the person in the picture.” — Bowen Yang [13:05]

Hotness, Ego & Affirmation

[14:21–15:46]

• Lucy discusses mood variability and self-worth, crediting the Culturistas’ “So Fucking Hot” award for a boost:

  “That day, I thought maybe I am hot. So thanks for that day.” — Lucy Dacus [14:39]

Meeting Lucy: Shyness, Missed Connections, and Approaching Others

[15:47–17:01]

• Bowen shares on getting “starstruck” by specific icons (“Meredith Marks from Housewives” and Lucy).
• Lucy encourages reaching out:

  “I like to go up and talk to people because everyone actually does like that... So you might as well just fall on the sword and be wrong occasionally and just, like, bounce back.” — Lucy Dacus [16:19]

Cover Songs & Culture Awards

[17:02–18:07]

• Reflecting on recording their cover of Aerosmith’s “I Don’t Want to Miss a Thing” as a highlight.
• Lucy distinguishes between “researching” and simply loving songs; if it’s good, it does its job.

Movie Night, Paddington 2, and Joy in Art

[18:19–19:10]

• Paddington 2 emerges as a group comfort ritual and beloved, “weird joy”:

  “It’s a joy, but it also is so weird. Paddington goes to jail...” — Lucy Dacus [18:35]

The Muppets, Miss Piggy, and Culture’s First Love

[20:39–24:55]

• Lucy reveals “the Muppets” as her first big cultural touchstone:

  “There’s early loves in childhood. But I think the thing that really, like, got my spark going is the Muppets.” — Lucy Dacus [20:44]

• The conversation turns to Miss Piggy, gender, and queer archetypes in pop culture.

  "Miss Piggy is one of those examples in pop culture...she’s clearly the amalgamation of all these old Hollywood tropes, and yet she transcends them." — Celeste [22:46]

Gender, Queer Readings, and Interanimal Romance

[24:57–27:02]

• The idea that Miss Piggy & Kermit’s romance is inherently queer and subversive.
• Discussion on sexuality, self-knowledge, and comfort in one’s number (“I feel good about myself.” — Lucy Dacus [20:08])

Touring Asia, Australia & Cultural Curiosity

[27:02–28:28]

• Lucy discusses her excitement for touring Australia and Asia, especially the phenomenon of musicians holding koalas in Australia:

  “There’s this huge thing where musicians go and hold koalas when they tour Australia.” — Lucy Dacus [59:12]

The Uber Therapy Effect

[28:29–34:31]

• Everyone relates to being confided in during rideshares, with drivers telling their entire life story:

  “It really is crazy. I wish I was that tapped in.” — Celeste [28:28]

Boundaries on Planes & Uncomfortable Connections

[34:31–38:02]

• Lucy recounts a harrowing encounter with a military worker on a plane who takes pride in loading bombs:

  “He told me some of the worst stuff I’ve ever heard...I want you to answer this: How do you sleep at night?” — Lucy Dacus [35:36]

• Everyone grapples with the limits of empathy and the necessity of boundaries.

Knowing Yourself vs. Being Known

[20:10–20:28, 38:02–43:02]

• “You can know yourself and other people don’t have to.” — Lucy Dacus [20:12]
• The difference between presenting an image and the experience of being truly seen.

Awe, the Sublime, and Niagara Falls

[48:37–50:05]

• The trio discusses experiencing awe as adults, struggling to find the sublime, and the changing conditions of psychological safety, technology, and self-perception:

  “The sublime is harder and harder to reach.” — Bowen Yang [49:07]

• Lucy on touring, awe:

  "It’s very sublime...My whole band came out kind of changed and awed by it." — Lucy Dacus [48:38]

Koalas, Kangaroos, and the Animal Experience

[59:12–62:49]

• Behind the scenes of the koala photo op for artists in Australia.
• The overlooked appeal of kangaroos—treated “like rodents” in Australia.

Tour Life & Food Chat

[65:06–67:10]

• Differences in eating and drinking on tour; Lucy now limits drinking and reminisces about tour catering and favorite LA restaurants.

“I Don’t Think So, Honey!”: Ick Polemics

[72:47–89:10]

• The recurring Las Culturistas segment, each host and Lucy deliver a one-minute rant.
• Bowen rails against the Avatar trailer’s lack of clarity; Celeste dunks on poinsettias as the “80s flower.”
• Lucy’s “I Don’t Think So, Honey” is a moving, thoughtful defense of boys with dangly earrings:

  “Sometimes people are the ally at the pride parade for years before they figure out why they keep showing up. Why are we gatekeeping a gate that all of us had to walk through?...The threat of being made fun of at the front is intimidating people out of being creative and playful with their presentation, which could lead them down a path to a life that would be more tolerable and fun.” — Lucy Dacus [84:02-85:01]

Cultural Snapshots, Dangly Earrings, and Expression

[84:02–88:54]

• Respecting self-expression as an act of courage and playfulness.
• The difference between a performative aesthetic and genuine personal exploration.

Surprises, Vulnerability, and Closing Notes

[89:10–End]

• Lucy reflects that their live awards show performance together was genuinely meaningful:

  “I showed up and you put on a real...award show. I did not know what I was walking into. And it was so funny — way more interesting than most award shows.” — Lucy Dacus [89:43]

• Affectionate promises to have dinner together, reminiscences about their collaborative performances, and a final chorus of “I Don’t Want to Miss a Thing” to close.

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Notable Quotes

• “Kinsey is a feeling.” — Episode Title and repeated motif (07:16, 19:21)
• “I think the thing that really...got my spark going is the Muppets.” — Lucy Dacus [20:44]
• “You can know yourself, and other people don’t have to.” — Lucy Dacus [20:12]
• “The sublime is harder and harder to reach.” — Bowen Yang [49:07]
• “Why are we gatekeeping a gate that all of us had to walk through at one point?” — Lucy Dacus [84:09]
• “Sometimes people are the ally at the pride parade for years before they figure out why they keep showing up.” — Lucy Dacus [84:13]
• "Aesthetic is the bridge to the person or the idea or the political notion…The dangly earring is the bridge to something else." — Celeste [87:19]

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Memorable & Funny Moments

• The mutual “crush” confessions and jokingly competitive pride: “You came from nothing. When I met you, you were in the dirt. You took me to the dirt.” [04:50]
• Poetic musings on the “ephemerality of forever” and “eternity being momentary.”
• Culturally loaded confessionals about farts, bowling alone, and sex appeal: “I’m hot to myself...In all pictures? Gremlified, truly.” — Bowen Yang [13:05]
• Lucy’s hilarious tale of meeting a military bomb loader on a plane and confronting his worldview.
• The running thread on the pain and awkwardness of meeting heroes and missing a moment.
• Animated debate about whether Miss Piggy has had her “queer moment.”
• Deep philosophy on why the sublime is so elusive and awe so rare in adult life.
• The rich, witty, but earnest “I Don’t Think So, Honey!” segment, especially Lucy’s mic-drop defense of authenticity.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:36] — Sexuality, Kinsey scale, “Kinsey is a feeling”
• [08:32] — Fart confession, intimacy
• [13:05] — Self-perception, “I’m a supermodel to myself”
• [20:39] — What made Lucy say “culture is for me?” (The Muppets)
• [24:57] — Gender, Miss Piggy & queer romance
• [34:31] — Boundaries & uncomfortable connection
• [48:37] — Awe & the sublime at Niagara Falls
• [59:12] — Koala & kangaroo tourism experience
• [72:47] — “I Don’t Think So, Honey!” begins
• [84:02] — Lucy’s defense of dangly earrings

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Tone

The episode is irreverent, effusive, honest, and warm — blending sharp pop culture wit with moments of surprising depth and vulnerability. The hosts and Lucy effortlessly pivot between camp, candor, confession, and intellectual curiosity, punctuated by inside jokes, “culture rules,” and soulful asides on queer life and art.

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For fans of Las Culturistas or Lucy Dacus, this episode is an exuberant, moving celebration of self-acceptance, fluid identity, and the lifelong magic of connecting to culture and to each other.

Transcript

[Lucy Dacus]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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Look man, there. Oh, I see my eye. Oh my. Oh, and look over there.

[Celeste]

Wow. Is that culture?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Celeste]

Goodness.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow. Las culturistas Ding dong. Las culturistas calling. So I bet you're wondering why I'm.

[Celeste]

Wearing no sleeves in December even.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, peek behind the curtain, but I've decided that I want to break you and the guest up. I want to be the Most Wanted man.

[Celeste]

Well, get ready, get ready. Your face is going to be in that frame for the entirety of the.

[Bowen Yang]

Song All I Want. Oh, is that. Is that really your face in there?

[Celeste]

The entire time Celeste and I were having a ball because it was just my dumb little face in that gorgeous frame during this amazing song. Most Wanted man for the entirety of the song. And I. And we were. I was looking at myself in the third person, staring at myself going, that's.

[Bowen Yang]

What I look like as an object.

[Celeste]

As an object, no. And do not change the way you've done it.

[Bowen Yang]

She would never.

[Celeste]

Our guest is so polite. I hug my guest on the way in. She's going to the bathroom. I'm leaving. She goes, is this the thing where we're not allowed to talk to each.

[Bowen Yang]

Other Before I'm toying with the idea of every time a new guest comes into Las Cloudresas, Bowen and I are just on our phones like this. Hey, hey, nice to meet you.

[Celeste]

Imagine. I cannot. One of the highlights of my year slash life was singing with our guest on television on celluloid.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, that's. Our guest is here to promote our single. I don't want to miss a thing. Live from the Culture Awards.

[Celeste]

Just kidding.

[Bowen Yang]

This is a major Grammy winning artist that we have a collab with. High five. High five on you, motherfucker. I'm so fucking proud of you, bitch.

[Celeste]

I'm so fucking proud of you, bitch.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm so fucking proud of you. How far you've come from nothing to everything. You came from nothing. When I met you, you were in the dirt.

[Celeste]

You were in the dirt.

[Bowen Yang]

You were in the dirt.

[Celeste]

You took Me to the dirt.

[Bowen Yang]

You took me to the dirt.

[Celeste]

We're in our Mary Cosby era. Era. No, our guest is obviously here. She's promoting the Australian Asian legs of her amazing. Forever is a feeling.

[Bowen Yang]

Touristian Asian legs.

[Celeste]

Like you. Like me. My Australian Asian legs. And she's ending.

[Bowen Yang]

Born in Brisbane and Asian.

[Celeste]

The last tour, technically May 2026. The Asia of America, which is Vancouver.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that geographically?

[Celeste]

I think so.

[Bowen Yang]

Or is that more tonally?

[Celeste]

Tonally, I think there is. I think there is a huge neighborhood in Vancouver called Richmond, I believe.

[Bowen Yang]

She knows not to speak.

[Celeste]

All of the Asians.

[Lucy Dacus]

No.

[Celeste]

As if all of our other guests haven't broken in during this moment.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, but that's how you know they're not for real.

[Celeste]

Forever's a feeling. The archives, the bonus tracks, including a Jim Croce cover.

[Bowen Yang]

The Jim Croce cover. The Time in a Bottle cover is one of the great covers. But that's. Our guest is just, like, one of the great talents.

[Celeste]

One of the great talents. One of the most beautiful people I've ever seen.

[Bowen Yang]

Your crush.

[Celeste]

My crush.

[Bowen Yang]

I was so fucking proud of you when you shot your shot. You came from nothing. When I met you, you would have never spoken to a man, woman, or more. You never would have.

[Celeste]

I never. Well, I literally didn't speak to this person when I first met them. When I. We've talked about this to each other, but we need to talk about it on the podcast. Okay, everyone, please welcome to your ears.

[Bowen Yang]

Lucy Dacus.

[Celeste]

Welcome.

[Lucy Dacus]

Doing everything not to talk and laugh. I don't need to. I just want to watch.

[Celeste]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

This is like, the best seat for just watching you guys talk.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, you are right there. This is a great seat, but we are. We're watching and talking with you, the object of BO And Yes. Affection. I know. What do you think? How am I doing?

[Lucy Dacus]

Great.

[Bowen Yang]

No, actually, I'm sort of useless when it comes to sexuality with women, though. Like, he's more of a Kinsey.

[Celeste]

Are you kidding me? What do you make of this? This is a conventionally attractive man.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, no. I guess what I mean is, like, if it. If it really got down to it, and you and I were to date. I'm not saying that, like, I know that you're otherwise gay. Spoken for. Spoken for. But I'm just saying, like, I do think that Bowen could do more for you.

[Celeste]

Wow.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Celeste]

I have nothing to add to that.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think he's a Kinsey. What? Four?

[Celeste]

I would say four or five.

[Lucy Dacus]

You can actually Find out your number. I think it's. Or you just feel.

[Celeste]

I think it's just a. I think forever is a feeling. I think it's a feeling. Kenzie is a feeling.

[Lucy Dacus]

We're so linked. I'm like, how am I gonna keep up?

[Bowen Yang]

Kenzie is a feeling. Might be titled.

[Celeste]

About.

[Bowen Yang]

Kenzie is a feeling. Yeah.

[Celeste]

You know what I mean?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

Firm is a feeling, I think. When you were saying this to Janelle, does that mean eternity is ephemeral?

[Lucy Dacus]

Sure.

[Celeste]

Okay.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. I feel like when you feel forever, it's momentary.

[Celeste]

Oh, beautiful.

[Lucy Dacus]

You said it actually better. I don't know why I repeated it in worse terms.

[Celeste]

No, I wanted you to confirm it.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'm confirming.

[Celeste]

That was a leading question, though.

[Bowen Yang]

Eternity is ephemeral. That's other alliteration.

[Celeste]

Other alliteration. Or that's. Is that assonance when it's vowels? No.

[Bowen Yang]

No, that's a really. That's a you question.

[Celeste]

Y' all were humanities majors, right?

[Lucy Dacus]

I dropped out of college.

[Bowen Yang]

That's hot.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Very queer just to hit the rope with your music.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'm intimidated that you have a crush on me because you're going to find out something about me and just think that I'm lame. That's the thing about having a crush, right? Is that it's like this place within which you find out something that crashes the whole.

[Bowen Yang]

No. What do you think is the thing about you that we're going to find out that makes us go, oh, I.

[Celeste]

Don'T know about it.

[Lucy Dacus]

So early.

[Bowen Yang]

Got the.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'll think about that. And I'll just interrupt what I'm talking about. Talking about to tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you know yours?

[Celeste]

Sure. This is the reason why I haven't been in a relationship longer than six months is I'm a farter. Oh, I fart a lot. And it's not. It's not good.

[Lucy Dacus]

You know, this. Oh, that's intimacy, honey.

[Bowen Yang]

Into me. You see? Remember that Katy Perry song? It exists.

[Lucy Dacus]

I don't either.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh. Anyway, yeah, I've heard the farts. Our bit since college is that it's like an angry Egyptian king.

[Celeste]

Not a pharaoh, a king.

[Lucy Dacus]

I don't know what the distinction entails.

[Celeste]

It'll make sense.

[Bowen Yang]

It's sort of like this.

Like, it's as if.

[Celeste]

It is as if it's a very wide sound. It is a wide sound.

[Bowen Yang]

And it's also. It's really more like this.

You know what I mean?

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Remember the popular.

Remember that?

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

That culture just did it. You remember? Blah Blah, blah. Guys, white guys who were trying to be other races were often doing like.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that.

[Bowen Yang]

I guess it's sort of like wazza culture, but more recent.

[Celeste]

Were these guys out here in Richmond in high school?

[Lucy Dacus]

Sure.

I went to like a nerd high school, so I'm sure that was happening.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, so you thought you were somebody?

[Lucy Dacus]

It was Maggie L. Walker, Governor School for Government and International Studies.

[Bowen Yang]

Excuse me. Why are you president by now?

[Lucy Dacus]

Nobody who wants to be president is.

[Celeste]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow, you ate that.

[Celeste]

I'm going to say something. I'm going to say something controversial to me.

[Bowen Yang]

Do not leave.

[Lucy Dacus]

I thought you were raising your hand to say something controversial.

[Celeste]

I was doing that.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm going to Bowen. The thing and no one knows is that he's always raising his hand.

[Celeste]

I'm always raising my hand to speak. Okay, you're right. I. Celeste and I have talked about this a lot and I think you and I have talked about this. Anyone who aspires to political office is. Is. Is sick in the head. I'm sorry. And anyone who wants to be us being show business is sick in the fucking head.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, in a different way.

[Celeste]

In a more benign way.

[Bowen Yang]

I think it's so beautiful.

[Celeste]

We'll cut this out.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, no, it's good.

[Bowen Yang]

First of all, I don't think it depends largely. Yes, I do think that people who want who. And this is going to come out after all elections.

[Celeste]

So we're safe. It's the last election ever.

[Bowen Yang]

Well. Oh, my God.

[Celeste]

Hey. Sorry. Hey.

[Lucy Dacus]

Hey.

[Bowen Yang]

But like, you can be an egomaniac that does want to do Good.

[Celeste]

Sure.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, 100%. That's deeply. A lot of.

[Celeste]

Still an egomaniac at the end of the day, which is a neutral thing.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Politically minded. You can tell. She went to high school for government because she knows not to collaborate.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

What's your sort of major in high school?

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, you did. To graduate, you had to take five government courses and you had to take minimum two languages, but they had like 12 languages or something.

[Celeste]

So then what were your two and five?

[Lucy Dacus]

I took French and Russian. I am not fluent in Russian and I am okay at French.

[Celeste]

You can. You can speak a little French, no problem.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's kind of like going bowling. Like, sometimes I'm on and sometimes I'm off.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. And that is. Bowling is.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. And pool.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Oh, pool is.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

When you're good at pool. When you're having a good pool night. Sort of very powerful. And I really mean very sexy.

[Lucy Dacus]

Powerful. Yeah. No, I was just gonna say just.

[Celeste]

In an ungendered way. I think being good at pool is sexy.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yes. Anybody who can make that happen, what is it? What's it connected to in, like, our biology?

[Celeste]

Like, draping yourself over a surface. Like, it is, like, different position. Like, it is, like the body orienting itself in different ways.

[Lucy Dacus]

Precision.

[Celeste]

Precision.

[Bowen Yang]

Coordination and power, I think.

[Lucy Dacus]

And power. Coordination and power.

[Celeste]

Gliding. Lighting.

[Bowen Yang]

Power.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, yeah. The lighting is huge.

[Celeste]

Lighting is huge.

[Bowen Yang]

There is also the. Yeah, it's like very, very overhead. Lucy, you. What's that moment when someone cracks. Cracks a thing, and they know they did well, and they sort of. They sort of come up, they've done it, and then they go, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, they survey it. They're like, yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what I mean?

[Lucy Dacus]

Even alone. I think people that play pool alone are hotter than people that bowl alone. But who are they?

[Celeste]

Hot to themselves. That's just interesting.

[Bowen Yang]

Having a moment bowling alone is.

[Lucy Dacus]

If you're hot in a forest alone, are you hot? Is that kind of a question?

[Celeste]

Exactly. That's what I'm asking. Are you? I think we should all. Let's all go around, okay. And ask yourself this. Are you hot to yourself? I don't think. I think. I think, actually, yes, I'm hot to myself in the quiet of my own space.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be vulnerable in the mirror. I'm a supermodel to myself. I'm so hot to myself. I look in mirrors and I'm like, this is really good. Lucky me. Another day like this. In all pictures, gremlified truly. Burn the. Burn the person in the picture. Get out of the picture.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Get this picture away from me. But in mirrors, it sort of balances out the ego because it's like, I want to destroy myself. Or I'm like, well, I'm amazing. I can't believe it.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, you are different. Every day people don't realize this. Talk more about that water distribution. Like, for some people, a monthly cycle is involved. Your brain also and is changing all the time. What you ate will change what you think.

[Celeste]

This is your friend who's studying public health at Hopkins?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yes.

[Celeste]

This is what they're telling you.

[Lucy Dacus]

Shout out. Elena.

[Bowen Yang]

Elena, Come on, Elena.

[Lucy Dacus]

Listen to this.

[Bowen Yang]

What? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

So thank you, legend. Elena is a legend.

[Bowen Yang]

Whenever I find out someone smart listens to the podcast.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, all my smartest, coolest friends. Listen to this.

[Celeste]

No, we're telling y', all, I will stop now.

[Lucy Dacus]

What? No, this is delightful. I'm feeling delight now.

I want to say, though.

[Bowen Yang]

What?

[Lucy Dacus]

I. I am very inconsistent person. Sometimes I wake up, I'm like, hell, yeah. Yeah, this rocks. Other times I'm like, I should die. But getting your award for me at lostculturasia's Awards was a real boon.

[Bowen Yang]

I was like, how did it feel to receive the Sun Award for so fucking hot?

[Celeste]

For so fucking hot.

[Lucy Dacus]

It felt amazing. That day. I thought maybe. Maybe I am hot. So thanks for that day.

[Celeste]

No maybes about it.

[Bowen Yang]

Confirmed.

[Lucy Dacus]

Thank you so much.

[Celeste]

Can I just briefly, quickly mention our first meeting, which was seeing Lucy at Forest Hills? Cause that was a great bill. It was Lucy. It was former guest of the show Waxahachie, Katie Crutchfield and Connor Oberst. And you had just played. And then Celeste and I just, like, got into, like, the little back area where you were just chilling. And then I turn around and I. It was like staring at the sun. I was like, oh. And I got really shy. You know me, I get shy.

[Bowen Yang]

A lumineer's song played in his heart.

[Celeste]

Yes. I got so shy. But if it's someone that I love, I shut down. I can't speak.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, it's true. Like, he. Certain people occupy a space for him where he's completely. He sees, like, some of the most intimidating people in the world. And then certain people. I can list you. Real Housewife of Salt Lake City, Meredith Marks.

[Lucy Dacus]

Whoa.

[Bowen Yang]

These are people that have stopped Bowen in his tracks.

[Celeste]

Company have muted. Muted me.

[Lucy Dacus]

Wow.

[Celeste]

Have muted, my ass.

[Bowen Yang]

You have muted me.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, my God. Anyway, I just want my experience of that.

[Celeste]

Was that. Was that you. You thought I didn't.

[Lucy Dacus]

Like, I'm going to do what I saw.

[Celeste]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

And you do it. Do it.

[Lucy Dacus]

Because I remember this, too, because I kind of lit up and I was about to be like, hey, we had a moment. You're not wrong.

[Bowen Yang]

But he turned away.

[Celeste]

But I turned away.

[Lucy Dacus]

This is what it was. It was Bowen.

[Bowen Yang]

You can't do that because you have to accept your Bowen yang. Because you can't.

[Lucy Dacus]

Which I thought distinctly was like, don't fucking talk to me.

[Celeste]

No, it was me going full catatonia, nonverbal, non verballia.

[Lucy Dacus]

I probably. I like to go up and talk to people because everyone actually does like that. To not have to be the first one to do it. So you might as well just fall on the sword and be wrong occasionally and just, like, bounce back. Just, like, grow up.

[Bowen Yang]

Because it's not the end of the world if. If that doesn't if someone doesn't want.

[Lucy Dacus]

To talk to you. And also that might have to do again with their mood. And you just be like, cool, you didn't sleep well or you just got bad news. I'm going to walk away.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

But most of the time, people go from that face to smiling and they have this front because everyone is in their own head about, of course, who they are and what they're doing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

But I was like, I'm gonna leave it be.

[Celeste]

And now look at us.

[Lucy Dacus]

And now look at us.

[Bowen Yang]

Everything worked out. And it literally worked out in a song you guys have on Spotify.

[Lucy Dacus]

True.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Lucy Dacus]

Think about that highlight.

[Bowen Yang]

Think there's no greater expression of love than uploading something on covering Aerosmith. Covering Aerosmith together. Did you know the song beforehand?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. How do you know? How? I don't remember.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm not knowing the song. I'm just saying it's like not everyone knows every song song. But that is a quite a famous song.

[Lucy Dacus]

It is.

[Bowen Yang]

It is, I think the most wonderful song.

[Celeste]

It's a really good song.

[Lucy Dacus]

Good song. So fun. I love that I was the low harmony.

[Bowen Yang]

Y' all got me too, actually.

[Celeste]

I love that. But. Yeah, but Lucy Deus on a Diane Warren song is. Is so powerful.

[Lucy Dacus]

I think I'm not doing research that often on which I like because if I like it, it just completed what it was meant to do 100%.

[Bowen Yang]

It exists in its own in.

[Lucy Dacus]

In a way that's like antithetical to Yalls podcast because I feel like culture.

[Celeste]

Loving people we don't know.

Were very, very bad, very illiterate with when it comes to.

[Lucy Dacus]

That's like, I know some things.

[Bowen Yang]

I. I mean, I think sometimes my. I actually feel the opposite sometimes. I know a lot of things about things and I'll realize like, oh, I haven't seen that movie. Like, I guess we can reveal now. You know what movie we still haven't watched? The Godfather.

[Celeste]

Right?

[Bowen Yang]

We said. We said months ago on the podcast there was one of the most famous movies in American history and we were teasing what what it was. We didn't say. Can confirm now it's the Godfather and we've still not seen it.

[Lucy Dacus]

Have a movie night we should.

[Celeste]

Sure.

[Bowen Yang]

When's the last movie night we had.

[Lucy Dacus]

Paddington 2 movie night after. We kept it as a reward. After the year of doing stuff together, we were like, and once the Grammys are over, we will watch Paddington 2.

[Celeste]

Why Paddington 2?

[Lucy Dacus]

Why not?

[Celeste]

Why not?

[Bowen Yang]

I hear it's such a joy.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's a joy, but it Also is so weird.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

Paddington Goes to Jail.

They have, like, a banner that is like a embroidered banner that says prison suite. Prison.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Well, that seems misleading.

[Lucy Dacus]

Who. Who's coming up with this?

[Bowen Yang]

The justice system.

[Lucy Dacus]

But, I mean, it's like a delightful little time. And they're like, what is going on?

[Bowen Yang]

Does he get out of prison?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. I guess.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, he's still there. Yeah. I'm sorry. Spoilers on Paddington 2. I haven't seen Paddington 1 or 3.

[Bowen Yang]

Is there a 3?

[Celeste]

Paddington goes to Peru.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Jail, then Peru.

[Lucy Dacus]

Jail, then Peru.

[Celeste]

The Jail to Peru pipeline.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

That could be titled that, but it's. What is it? Kinsey is a feeling.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Kinsey is a feeling, which I do really like.

[Lucy Dacus]

That is good.

[Celeste]

This is not a test you take. I think we were to go back to that conversation. It is a feeling. And I'm landing myself at a four. Between a four and a five. So between zero and six. Zero being full hat, six being full homo.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh.

[Celeste]

So, like, I mean, what would you say? Where would you say you are a six?

[Bowen Yang]

I'm a six.

[Celeste]

Okay.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm just a gay guy. You know what I mean? Like, I'm one of the gay guys.

[Celeste]

I don't want you to tell us the number. I want you to just think about it, and then once you've confirmed it, just let us know.

[Bowen Yang]

Cause this would be huge news.

[Celeste]

No, we're not gonna. This isn't the scoop.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that your thinking position?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

Galaxy brain. Lucy.

[Bowen Yang]

Galaxy brain. We were top. Did you decide the number?

[Celeste]

Yeah. You look content with the number.

[Lucy Dacus]

I feel good about myself.

[Bowen Yang]

You know yourself.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

What's so cool is you can know yourself and other people don't have to.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, I don't know what that's like.

[Celeste]

That's the opposite of my experience. I don't know myself. And other people seem to seem to know everything about me.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Celeste]

Which is not true.

[Bowen Yang]

Dang.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

So, speaking of knowing things about you and sharing that information, we hope that you, you know, keep anything to yourself you want. But there's a question that's the central question of our podcast. We must ask it.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Lucy Dacus. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

[Lucy Dacus]

I thought way back.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

And there's early loves in childhood. But I think the thing that really, like, got my spark going is the Muppets.

[Bowen Yang]

The hermit came to my mind this morning.

[Lucy Dacus]

How did he do that?

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know, actually, you know what I was talking about. The. The new Ryan Murphy Show. All's Fair, which is this Kim Kardashian legal drama that has Glenn Close and Sarah Paulson and Teyana Taylor, and I was like the cast of a Ryan Murphy show. You would not be surprised to hear it. Be like, it's Kermit and Meryl Streep. Kermit and Meryl Streep play each other's sex slaves, and that's by night and by day, they're elementary school teachers. That's like a Ryan Murphy show. It's Kermit and Meryl, and it's very raw, it's very sexual.

But it's emotional and very funny.

[Celeste]

Why am I so seated?

[Bowen Yang]

You. Of course you'd be seated. And that's the power of Ryan Murphy. I know.

[Lucy Dacus]

And we're talking Meryl today.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course, Meryl today. You can't get her from before.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay, sure. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

She's not getting any younger, and I hate saying that to everyone.

[Lucy Dacus]

She is getting more fabulous all the time.

[Bowen Yang]

100%.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's just exponential.

[Celeste]

Of course.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. I love it.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

What was your first exposure to the Muppets?

[Lucy Dacus]

I feel like my grandma's house. My grandma would tape things, and she had a bunch of Muppet show tapes. Or maybe before being able to tape things, you just bought the VHS of them and that. And then the Christmas Muppets. What offerings are great.

[Bowen Yang]

Muppet Treasure Island.

[Lucy Dacus]

Muppet Treasure Island.

[Bowen Yang]

We got Cavan Fever. Oh, my. The fit. The fit. I love that you said the villains.

[Lucy Dacus]

I. You did acknowledge Miss Piggy in one of your awards, which I'm glad, because. Whose mood board does not include Miss Piggy?

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know. A person.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. There's no one who's not referencing and bowing down to no one I respect. No one I respect. Yeah. No, no, no. There's probably people who. It's not in mind, but their minds are uninteresting.

[Bowen Yang]

I would agree.

[Celeste]

Oh, my God. Yes. Well, Miss Piggy is one of those examples in pop culture where she's clearly the amalgamation of, like, all of these old Hollywood tropes, and yet she transcends them. Do you know what I mean? It's like, oh, the sum is greater than the parts.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

I'm sorry. Like, I'm sorry to whatever the, you know, the Bette Davises or whatever. Like the old Marlena Dietrich. Marlena's. Or it's. Although Miss Piggy hasn't really had, like, a queer moment like Marlena. I feel like Miss Piggy should go full.

[Lucy Dacus]

That we know Of.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, that's the thing. Miss Piggy, like, she knows so much more about herself than we know. It's actually really good. You're number eight, Miss Piggy, she knows so much more about herself than we know.

[Celeste]

I just think Miss Piggy. Miss Piggy is. Miss Piggy is allowed to be violent. Would you say this?

[Bowen Yang]

Hiya.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. There's a lot. 100% that is.

[Celeste]

I'm not putting you on the same.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm not.

[Celeste]

Gotcha.

[Lucy Dacus]

No, I think. No, I think a lot of. I think violence has a very important place in everyone's life.

[Bowen Yang]

That's the pull quote.

[Lucy Dacus]

Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

Violence has a very important place. Radical queer artist Lucy Dacus champions violence.

[Celeste]

And Miss Piggy on.

[Bowen Yang]

On Lost Culture. Oh, my God.

[Lucy Dacus]

Some people deserve it.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

It's so true.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, every time Miss Piggy said hiya, it was warranted. And I think that was the thing that, like, was really important in the establishment of her is, like, she was not a violent woman.

[Celeste]

No, she was driven to violence.

[Lucy Dacus]

No, no. She has priorities, which are her hair and her shoes. And the violence is getting in the way of these things.

[Celeste]

Of course.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's, like, very much important to her. Obviously, if it's superseding her excellence in how she looks.

[Celeste]

Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

Her number one thing, when she wakes up in the morning, Miss Piggy opens her eyes. Do her eyes ever close?

[Celeste]

Yes, I've seen her eyes closed.

[Lucy Dacus]

Blinking is.

[Bowen Yang]

You're right.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

So she, she. She does open her eyes and then she thinks, how can I entertain the world? So anything that's going to come between her and her purpose, is that canon.

[Lucy Dacus]

Or is that your feeling?

[Bowen Yang]

She famously wants to do a show.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, yeah. She doesn't want to do a show.

[Celeste]

She's at the Vanity.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, she's at the Vanity. She's beating her face. She's ready to go on.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what I mean? I feel like common refrain set around her is like, almost time for places.

[Celeste]

Places, mister.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

Lauren.

[Lucy Dacus]

I do also feel like the high femme of it all is like. And with Kermit, there's something just. Maybe Miss Piggy hasn't had her queer moment. But I'm like, maybe she is.

[Celeste]

It's already kind of. There is a queer ring of the romance there. Right? Like, it's. It's interspecies.

[Bowen Yang]

It is.

[Lucy Dacus]

Wait, it's. Pigs are queer.

[Celeste]

If a pig was a frog, I think that's. That's queer moment.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. I think if you saw that, I.

[Lucy Dacus]

Thought you were saying, like, reading, like, Science Daily or Something and telling me like, oh, pigs are gay now. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I would love to find.

[Celeste]

I'd love to find that there's very smart animals.

[Bowen Yang]

I think it would have written a pig. That was one of the big famous celebrity facts from the 90s. George Clooney has a pig.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay, sweet.

[Celeste]

Are you gonna visit the pig cafes in Japan when you're there?

[Lucy Dacus]

I don't even know those exist, but yeah. Now.

Just text me recommendations. I'm starring everything on my map.

[Bowen Yang]

When are you gonna be there?

[Celeste]

February.

[Lucy Dacus]

February 18th. And then a whole week after.

[Celeste]

You're gonna be there for sumo season, I think for, like, the sumo. I've never been. I want to go so badly.

[Bowen Yang]

We're gonna just miss it, I guess.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

You're going to be there before January.

[Bowen Yang]

We're there the second half of January.

[Lucy Dacus]

Fun.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Bowen's birthday trip.

[Celeste]

Very excited.

[Lucy Dacus]

Cute.

[Bowen Yang]

Cute. He, Kawaii, even. What? Don't give me a dirty look. What if I make my whole thing Japan when I come back? Like I'm Gwen Stefani. Like I'm Kawaii.

[Celeste]

You wouldn't be Gwen Stefani. You would be, like, respectful. Well, not.

[Bowen Yang]

No. No, I wouldn't. Just kidding. Can you imagine? You imagine. Make a cultural appropriation announcement.

[Celeste]

That's how they even do it back in the day.

[Lucy Dacus]

That'd be better than what other people are doing. Yeah, People are just embodying it. No thoughts?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Truly.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Have you been there before?

[Lucy Dacus]

No. I'm very excited.

[Celeste]

And then. And. And the group is going.

Friends.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, yeah. We have some friends that are gonna meet us there. The whole band is staying because we're getting over there, so. Why not?

[Bowen Yang]

Why not?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

New tour bus there or no one show. I thought it was multiple.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, Australia is all part of lanewayfest, which is like a traveling festival. So they. I think they fly you from city to city. What I really hope is that it's a big plane and all of the artists get to be on the same plane and hang out on the plane.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

But I. I don't know if that's what happens.

[Celeste]

You can request that.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. For everyone to change their plans. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

On a plane. Are you, like, very social?

[Lucy Dacus]

No, but people want me to be.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

I just feel in an Uber, like everyone is talking to me. Everyone turns and is like, oh, my God. My childhood trauma is this. My dreams are.

[Celeste]

We just had this. We were. We were. We were finishing with a swamp tour where it was pouring rain. We were all wet rat, drowned rat. We get an unprompted this man. Lovely man. I'm not saying drivers can't speak, obviously. I don't want that to be the implication here.

[Bowen Yang]

The life story, though.

[Celeste]

But it was unprompted, like, well, September of 1978, my family moved from Shreveport to New Orleans. And it was. I was. It was. It was astounding. And we somehow I was hanging on to everywhere. I was like, okay, well, I'm invested now.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. How long was the drive?

[Celeste]

45 minutes.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, it was up there.

[Celeste]

And it didn't stop.

[Bowen Yang]

In the last five minutes? It stopped, but only because I think he had exhausted himself. He had given us every date and event of his life. It really. It really is crazy.

[Celeste]

I wish. I wish I was that tapped in.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

I am so excited to see Jane Grikowski in Omar. I'm excited to see Tom Hanks and Kelli o' Hara in this world of tomorrow ragtime, which I know Matt just saw it opening night.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Lucy Dacus]

What?

[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Celeste]

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I have a question for you because I've been thinking about this conversation that you've had with Janelle a lot, especially in this like, go to the party sense, like self care culture is sort of insulating us in a way that maybe is not. That is precluding like actual connection with other people. Like, so let's say people are talking at you or on the plane. Everyone wants to talk to you. At what point do you go, I should reach out and connect. I should put out my own feelers. At what point are you doing that versus Well, I just want to be in my own space.

[Lucy Dacus]

I think as a rule, I have the over the headphone noise canceling headphones on with nothing happening in there at a point until I am seated. And I do most of my listening to music for the first time on a plane because I'm super focused. Or like, movies always make me cry on a plane. But I have had people, like, tap me on the shoulder, talk to me. I put it back. Tap me on the shoulder. There was this guy that tapped me on my shoulder and I was like, yeah. And he was like, people don't connect enough these days.

[Celeste]

Which he's not wrong.

[Lucy Dacus]

And I was just like, yeah. And it was like, I really was looking forward to and planning on listening to something. So I hope you have a great flight, but I'm gonna go back. You know, I tried to be like, polite. And then he did it again.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Lucy Dacus]

And I was like, okay, here we go. Six hours. And he told me some of the worst stuff I've ever heard. He. He, like, he works for the military and he loads bombs onto planes. And he's like, I love my job because I can see the effect of my work in the paper the next day.

[Bowen Yang]

What?

[Lucy Dacus]

And I was like, I want you to answer this. How do you sleep at night?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

I want you to tell me this isn't rhetorical. How do you sleep at night?

[Celeste]

What did he say?

[Lucy Dacus]

And he was just like, I'm just proud of defending my country. And I was just like, I think that what you're contributing to is morally reprehensible. And I hope that the weight of people's lives weighs you down at some point, and all I can hope for you is change. But also, like, he had. He's like, look at my phone background. And it was a like, big chested, topless woman in Daisy Dukes fishing. And I was like, oh, is that your girlfriend? He's like, no, that. I'm aspiring to that. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

He's mad at that.

[Lucy Dacus]

Like, he was just at me, like, trying to get something, like, from me. And I. But what he got was like, I think that you are a terrible person. Yeah. And I think that you're a source.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

I don't know if. Do people with sour hearts want to be seen?

[Bowen Yang]

Or like, do they think that there is something to people like that being like, yeah, get into it. Let's get into a back and forth with me. I want to be, like, challenged. You know what I mean? Like, it's it.

[Lucy Dacus]

And in a way, I'm like, I would like, if you Want to be challenged? Are you opening a door? Because, like, if you are, if you have to put words to what you're doing, or is that going to change something for you? I don't know. We don't. We don't get to change people. Right.

[Celeste]

But I don't think he. I don't think he wanted to be challenged. I think people like that I'm going to project and surmise people who like murder. Well, yeah. Are people who like something is like, a little bit. Their internal sense of morals are kind of all over the fucking.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

Let's just say.

[Lucy Dacus]

And so what he, He. He works out every day. And the funniest thing he said was, I feel my muscles atrophy as I'm sitting here.

[Bowen Yang]

Because he wasn't actively working out.

[Lucy Dacus]

He had me, like, he loves to.

[Bowen Yang]

Do it that much. Oh, he had you touch his arm?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, He. He takes whatever that thing is that helps you keep water weight.

[Celeste]

Creatine.

[Lucy Dacus]

Creatine. Oh, okay.

[Celeste]

Or whatever.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

We take it from behind the table and start putting it into our body.

[Lucy Dacus]

Everyone, like a bunch of hot girls I know are taking creatine.

[Bowen Yang]

Creatine's a thing.

[Celeste]

It's a thing. And I've started taking it a little bit and it has helped with, like, some. Some bulk or some muscle.

[Lucy Dacus]

Amazing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. You would love this guy. It sounds like you love this guy.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, yeah.

[Celeste]

He's on my phone. Background.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm inspiring you there.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you think when he looks in the mirror, he thinks he's hot?

[Celeste]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, so then that's an example of, like, you're putting your own sort of mechanisms at work in terms of connection. And this is someone that you're like, I've learned what I should know about you, and I've made an assessment that, like, this is. These are the limits of my connection.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, even, like, it is still connecting when you are learning someone that you dislike and that's informative, too, it can be like a homing device for your own values.

[Celeste]

Totally.

[Lucy Dacus]

Or just like, wow, I guess I do know who I am because there are people like that, you know? Yeah. Like. And also, it's just, like, heartbreaking.

[Celeste]

I know.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'm like your life.

One day, hopefully, you will find that it was for nothing and meaningless. This is supposed to be fun. I'm sorry. We can talk about culture.

[Bowen Yang]

This is culture, unfortunately.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. Pardon?

[Celeste]

No, this guy, like, is direct. Like, this guy's day is so directly linked to people's, like, mass death.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, those people are on planes. I will say, like, I don't know if you thought we were on a plane.

[Celeste]

Those people are on planes.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm always fascinated by just how many people are watching Fox News on the plane. Like, there was a guy in front of us on the plane yesterday who was watching Fox News, and then he watched the film Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day, which I can say, I know the title of the movie just by seeing the actresses on screen. It was Frances McDormand and Amy Adams. I am again, a Kinsey Six. Gay Kinsey is a feeling I feel strongly gay.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

And I was watching it and I was like, wow, what is the fox news to Ms. Pettigrew lives for a Day pipeline? But then a lot of gay guys are Republicans. You hear about Grindr crashing out at the conventions. These guys are gay. They love Ms. Pettigrew lives for a day. They live for Frances McDormand and they're gay and they're voting against us. They're going home, they're having sex in the butt, and they're coming to work and they're sending out bombs.

[Celeste]

Like, for that guy to be into Big titted Fisher Girl.

It's horseshoe theory to something.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's a little suspicious that you really had to show me that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Celeste]

It's like gender maxing in a way that is like, huh. You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. It has to be rooted in, like, look how much of a man I am. Feel my arm. Look at my bombs. Wanna see what I wanna fuck. Ain't nothing more CIS than this. Like, it's just like, it's. It's. It's a. It's an Olympic feat. And to do this on a plane when someone is captive.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Is also very.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I'm like.

[Lucy Dacus]

That's also like, like pussy behavior to have a captive audience.

[Celeste]

Of course.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, yeah. I can say whatever. I'm like, you just. You just. You are. I'm powerless in the situation. And that's what's fun.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. But then. But then what's. What's great is here you are telling. Telling the story, and now we all actually intrinsically know exactly what this guy looks like. I love when people just don't know who they're talking to or dealing with or they forget. Like, for. Have you. Have you listened to the Lily Allen album yet?

[Lucy Dacus]

No, I would really like to.

[Bowen Yang]

What's so shocking is so, you know, I won't name names, but it's ostensibly about her very famous ex husband and this guy marries Lily Allen.

[Celeste]

Right.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, some of these people will fully marry or start dating these, like, really, like, evocative singer songwriters. And then at some point, they'll forget and they'll do the craziest shit to them. And then you get this album written about you and your choices, and it's like, yeah, I guess you just forgot who you married.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, what is. And then people will be like, ooh, the whole she wrote a song about me thing. Da, da, da. Like, that happens in culture. It's like, you. But you knew who you were dealing with in the beginning. An artist.

[Celeste]

It wasn't a reveal. It wasn't a job.

[Bowen Yang]

No, it wasn't a reveal. And if it is a reveal, then, wow, you really didn't value the relationship that you were in or see the person.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. It's a fucking. You really got to get right with yourself before dating an artist. I think you're going to get depicted, and you should have a life that you would be proud of being depicted 100%.

[Bowen Yang]

So here, and then here you are, like, with another artist. How do you feel about being depicted? Like, have you guys talked about that?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, we like it.

[Bowen Yang]

We like it.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, we like it.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

Because we like each other. Right. And I would say, for the most part, we are right with ourselves. But I. If I write something, I'll show it and be like, are you cool with this? And then usually answer is yes. And if the answer is like, ah, this detail feels a little like something or other, like, we'll just talk about it.

[Celeste]

Guess what? That's a relationship.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. You can just talk about it.

[Celeste]

You can just talk about it.

[Bowen Yang]

Valuing the other person for holistically who they are, because probably one of the big reasons you fell in love is because of that talent and that gift and that access to your emotions and being able to channel that and funnel that into your work, which connects with so many people.

[Lucy Dacus]

I love your brain. Like, if you're feeding me through your brain, like, what? That's such a privilege.

[Celeste]

Favorite Muppet.

[Lucy Dacus]

Favorite Muppet. I mean, it is Miss Piggy.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

Gonzo rocks, obviously. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

What do you think of Fozzie Bear?

[Lucy Dacus]

I love Fozzie Bear. Do you not like Fozzie Bear?

[Celeste]

I think you're a Fozzie Bear.

[Bowen Yang]

Maybe that's what it is. Like, I know I am Fozzie Bear.

[Lucy Dacus]

So you see yourself.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you think I'm Fozzie Bear?

[Celeste]

You're a little bit Fozzie, a little bit Gonzo. A little.

[Bowen Yang]

A little bit.

[Celeste]

A little bit piggy, for sure.

[Lucy Dacus]

Also, Pepe the King Prawn. Do you know?

[Celeste]

Yeah, of course.

[Lucy Dacus]

The little hair going everywhere.

[Celeste]

Just the eye, the mouth.

[Lucy Dacus]

Swedish Chef.

[Bowen Yang]

Swedish Chef is great. I like Beaker.

[Lucy Dacus]

Beaker.

[Celeste]

So, yeah, I'm Bunsen. He's Beaker for sure.

[Lucy Dacus]

How are y' all?

[Celeste]

Not Peggy and Kermie.

[Lucy Dacus]

No, no.

[Celeste]

Bertnerie.

[Lucy Dacus]

No, the guy. The Hecklers.

[Celeste]

Oh, yes. Statler and Waldorf.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that your position?

[Lucy Dacus]

Like, is this not your box at.

[Bowen Yang]

The theater, by the way? You want to know my favorite joke of all time?

[Lucy Dacus]

No. Please tell you.

[Bowen Yang]

It's at the end of and Rest in peace, the Muppets 3D show in Disney World. And the Statler and Waldorf are in their little. I call them the Lincoln seats. They're up. They're up in the box.

And the show is over. And they're like, we gotta go. And then the other one goes, we can't. We're bolted to the seats. Ho, ho, ho, ho. And I was just like, I loved that they really broke the fourth wall there, because they are puppets. They are bolted to the seats. They're never leaving. And then the horror crept in because I realized they're never leaving.

[Celeste]

They're never leaving.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, now they are, because they demolished the building.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, that's why, Rip. Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

I was like, they're making a new Monsters, Inc.

[Lucy Dacus]

The dream died.

[Celeste]

The dream died, Rip.

[Lucy Dacus]

The dream.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, the dream lives on with the Monsters, Inc.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Also, don't worry about the Muppets. They're moving to Rock and Roller Coaster. I hate a lot of what I know.

[Celeste]

You know what I mean?

[Lucy Dacus]

That was real.

[Celeste]

That was real.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, my God. Well, this is. This is a news outlet, frankly.

[Bowen Yang]

He keeps up with it.

[Celeste]

Yeah, I don't. I say that with no judgment.

[Bowen Yang]

I know. Sometimes I'll come on here and I'll just use an opportunity for the podcast to, like, break news and theme parks to the readers.

[Lucy Dacus]

Are you theme park. You love theme parks?

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I love them in, like, an. It. It didn't start out ironically. Now it's kind of ironic. It's just one of those industries that I keep up with. It's like. It's like one of my synapse fires when I'm finding out what's being built.

[Lucy Dacus]

Do you know anything about Kings Dominion in Virginia? Yeah, because that was. That was my haunt.

[Bowen Yang]

Was it?

[Lucy Dacus]

That was like some of my early moments without parents.

[Bowen Yang]

Was going to Kings.

[Lucy Dacus]

Was going to Kings Dominion. That. That's a Whole culture in and of itself.

[Bowen Yang]

Talk to us about that.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, like, the parents think, oh, they'll be safe because it's all. We're in the parking lot and they can't get out. And there. Drugs at the park. Not to sound like a conservative.

[Celeste]

No, no, no.

[Lucy Dacus]

Talking head, but, like, there's drugs in the park. Everybody's like. Like, first people, like, smoking weed. Like, people are hooking up at the park. All of the regular childhood meannesses that have to come out are happening at the theme park. Yeah, the wave pool. Never touch a wave.

[Celeste]

No. Never get into the wave pool.

[Lucy Dacus]

Never get in the wave pool.

[Celeste]

Why is there a wave pool at King's Dominion at a medieval themed park?

[Lucy Dacus]

It's not medieval, but kings. You would think so that it's King's Dominion.

[Celeste]

What's the.

[Lucy Dacus]

Why have I never. There's nothing general. There's sections. There's like the kids area. That was Peanuts.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

There's like a Nickelodeon area. Maybe there's not any more. There's like kind of a jungle area. The anaconda and the volcano.

[Bowen Yang]

That one has a couple good roller coasters.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

King's Dominion.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

And then there's like the section of, like, just new. Like, oh, this is the tallest. Whatever. This is the fastest fall. And yeah, that's just. There's no theme. It's just. Yeah, I guess.

[Bowen Yang]

Chaos.

[Celeste]

Chaos.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

Now you would. It was your haunt. Like, you would be skipping Russian to go to King's Dominion during the day or this is like summer hang. Like, where. Like, how would you. How would you find yourself there?

[Lucy Dacus]

It was mostly middle school and definitely, like, kids had birthday parties. Weirdly, the pizza at Kings Dominion.

[Celeste]

Amazing.

[Lucy Dacus]

Was different than all the other pizza I've ever had. It's like kind of puffy. Puffy people, like, kind of puffy. Like, it was good. Like, I wish.

[Bowen Yang]

It's kind of slutty.

[Lucy Dacus]

Like, it sounds really bad, but it's kind of good.

[Bowen Yang]

So puffy in terms of, like, the cheese was rich or puffy?

Glutenous.

[Lucy Dacus]

As glutenous as.

[Celeste]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

And yeah, the cheese was probably bad, but I probably liked it. God, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Remember being that age and being like, I'm gonna go eat some puffy pizza right off these rides and treat my.

[Lucy Dacus]

Body like ice cream. Isn't that their tag?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, because they turned out to not really be the future of ice cream. Huh. Oh, because where is Dip and Dots now?

[Lucy Dacus]

I mean, I did have Dip and Dippin Dots at Niagara Falls recently, and that was Cool. I recommend this entire experience, but you have to go on the Canadian side. Maiden of the Mist, lady of the Mist. Made of the Mist.

[Celeste]

Made of the Mist. Which is. Have you done this as a child? I've not. I've not done this in my adult.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's actually.

So cool.

[Celeste]

It's an incredible.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's like one of the wonders of the world. But to look at it, it's great. But made of the mist. Like you're in the water. Like your whole vision whites out. Like there you. It's very sublime. Like it's. My whole band were like, we'll do this because we're on tour. And then everyone came out like kind of changed and odd by it.

[Celeste]

Which you don't have anymore. Awe is harder. The sublime is harder and harder to reach.

[Bowen Yang]

The sublime is harder to. And harder to reach. Yes. Which one is that?

[Celeste]

That's real culture number number two.

[Bowen Yang]

The sublime is harder and harder to reach. He defined awe the other day. Can you do it now?

[Celeste]

Aw.

The things that you. The ingredients you need for awe. Our psychological safety, which of course we don't have anymore because we are constantly surveilled. We're watching ourselves in the third person. That leads to more self judgment and self whatever. Just like. Just like self modulation of like behavior. Right. Like I. I never want to be perceived. I. Over the years I've wanted to be perceived less and less because I'm perceiving myself all the time every week and I'm like, I less of that please. Anyway, you need psychological safety. You need.

Connection and Oz. Best experience with other people.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

And I forget the third thing, but it's these things that like are fraying at the edges with the advancement of certain technologies.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

And so I'm so going to Niagara Falls. Made in the Mist. Sounds about right. Sounds like with your bandmates there's a.

[Lucy Dacus]

Bit of awe there.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Lucy Dacus]

What?

[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

Bottom line, Xfinity WI Fi isn't just smart, it's brilliant. And during the holidays, that brilliance, that's a gift. Xfinity. Imagine that.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, so you know how the world is a chaotic, swirling ball of total stress right now? Well, we have a new Hulu show from Ryan Murphy that will give you the much needed break from reality. And whether you know it or not, you are already completely obsessed. It's called all's fair. And Ms. Kardashian plays Allora Grant, the most in demand divorce attorney in Los Angeles. Get it? It's All's Fair. As in all's fair in love and war. And she's a divorce attorney. Love it. Now, let's talk ensemble, because Alora does not go it alone. She breaks off from a crusty male dominated law firm to start her own legal coven with some absolute forces of nature. Naomi Watts, Niecy Nash, Betts, Tiana Taylor, and Glenn Close. Yeah. Hello, Glenn Close. And of course, you need a villain, so say hello to Sarah Paulson as the nemesis. And these ladies are brilliant, complicated, fearless. And when they all come together, nothing can stop them. I'm talking about the lawyers on the show and the actresses playing them, by the way. But hey, if you're thinking this will be all courtroom drama and no drama drama. Relax, Elora. That's Kim's character has plenty of twists and turns in her personal life. Her professional life crashes into her personal one. And oh, so how does this super lawyer fix her own mess? With a little help from her besties, of course. So this series has it all. Scandalous secrets, high stakes courtroom drama, more shifting alliances than Kim's other shows, some OMG twists and friendships that rise above it all. And of course, everything is gonna look amazing. It's got some unapologetic glam. A work hard, play harder lifestyle. Every scene just sparkles. Everybody makes compromises in their lives. Lame men underpaying jobs. Well, stop. Just stop. And never settle for anything less than fabulous when it comes to your next streaming obsession. All's fair now. Streaming on Hulu and on Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers terms apply. Drama guaranteed. Okay, so you want your master's degree. You know you can earn it.

[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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Maybe this is even why this came up. We recently went on an Alligator Swamp tour. Now where?

[Lucy Dacus]

Florida.

[Bowen Yang]

We were in New Orleans. So before you ask, no, it was not with Lana Del Rey's husband.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

We thought about it.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

But we would have had to travel an extra hour. An extra hour to get.

[Lucy Dacus]

He's. He's doing that job still.

[Celeste]

He's doing that job still.

[Lucy Dacus]

Wow. I can't imagine how his job has changed.

[Bowen Yang]

Lana must be big for you.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, she's a great songwriter.

[Celeste]

She.

[Lucy Dacus]

She DM'd me to open for her. I don't know if people realize this, but the, like, Norman Rockwell tour, a lot of those shows she booked herself. Yeah. Wow. Like diy. But she, like, emailed the venues and was like, hello, I'm Juana del Rey. I would like to come through this venue on this date. I feel nervous. I'm always nervous talking about other people.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, no.

[Celeste]

This is.

[Bowen Yang]

I think I feel like, documented people can know this. So this is documented.

[Lucy Dacus]

And she DMed a ton of people only days prior. And I ended a tour in Michigan, and she was like, do you want to open in Chicago in two days?

[Bowen Yang]

And sick.

[Lucy Dacus]

We were like, yeah, be there in a sec.

[Celeste]

And you happened.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

That's awesome.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I feel like that. That's a good one to one.

[Celeste]

But we. Do you think we experienced the sublime?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, because we did.

[Celeste]

Because, yes, we.

[Bowen Yang]

Again, it was not Mr. Del Rey, which actually was fine because I was like, you know, maybe we should just keep that lore separate. So we had this amazing man. His name was Captain Kelly. And we get out into the swamp, and just to see, like, a wild alligator sort of swim up like a dog. Like, literally, like, the airboat would stop and the alligator would swim up to us and know that it meant he was gonna get fed by Captain Kelly.

[Lucy Dacus]

Like, panting, tail wagging, like, and literally swimming up.

[Bowen Yang]

And then it was kind of adorable. Sweet and cute. Yeah. Because it would just sit there with its mouth open like this.

And the captain would feed it, and someone goes, well, he's so nice. How long have you known this alligator? And the guy was like, nah, he would get me. He would bite me and get me. If I'm lucky.

[Celeste]

I still have my fingers.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I'm still on my fingers. Because he was sort of saying, like, it seems like I have a relationship with this reptile, but it still.

[Celeste]

The alligator, it would kill him.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

This was awe for me, like, watching the alligator, that it was over 12ft long.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, my gosh. That's two long guys.

[Celeste]

That's two long.

[Lucy Dacus]

That's two really long guys.

[Celeste]

Or three.

[Bowen Yang]

Two tall or three short guys. And it was thick. And then Captain Kelly tapped the back of the carapace.

[Celeste]

Was that the carapace? Right.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that the word?

[Celeste]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Were you trying to define the skill?

[Celeste]

I think so.

[Bowen Yang]

I wanted to get out of the.

[Lucy Dacus]

First person in the room to ask what a carapace is.

[Celeste]

Anyway, it sounds like you nodded as. Just to confirm the appropriate terminology.

[Bowen Yang]

This is when you revealed that your high school was sort of like all reptile.

[Celeste]

High school alligator. High school alligators.

[Bowen Yang]

The back.

[Celeste]

Yeah, the back.

[Bowen Yang]

But he tapped on it, and it was hollow and hard. Incredibly hollow and hard. Of the boat? No, of the back of the alligator's barracked racket. The carapace. And then he tapped. So he tapped the. The boat. And it sounded the same as when he tapped the back of the alley.

[Celeste]

Like the hull of the. Yeah, yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

Wait, what?

[Celeste]

Basically, the alligator's back was really hard.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, okay.

[Celeste]

Okay. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

But then they had us hold the baby alligator, and I was so shook because it just felt like a little sack of meat.

[Lucy Dacus]

Was it kind of like.

[Celeste]

Yeah, it was Teehee.

[Bowen Yang]

It was Tehimo. It was Tee he Mode. And then Captain Kelly tried to scare me because I was scared. I was the most skittish around holding the alligator. That's, like, one thing about me. Like, I don't need to touch the animals.

[Lucy Dacus]

And yet you went out of your way to experience and experienced awe.

[Bowen Yang]

Having the experience of awe visually was one thing. But then, like, all right, everyone, now we're going to hold an alligator. Like, I don't know.

[Celeste]

You.

[Bowen Yang]

You sort of.

[Celeste]

I liked the alligator.

[Bowen Yang]

You liked it?

[Celeste]

It, yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

Would you hold a koala?

[Bowen Yang]

No, I don't think so.

[Lucy Dacus]

Really?

[Bowen Yang]

I don't need to hold any animals. I really don't.

[Lucy Dacus]

Would you pet an animal?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, I would. I. I would. I would say I'm pretty good with domestic animals, but, like, in terms of, like, animals at the zoo and stuff, like, I don't need to pet it. Like, I don't need to feel the scales. Like, you know.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Lucy Dacus]

The distance.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, totally.

[Celeste]

Right?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. You don't really get to ask because they can't really tell you yes or no.

[Celeste]

Right.

[Bowen Yang]

It also felt like everyone else did it. So then if I'm the one person who doesn't do it, it's like, I guess, like, yeah, give me the. Give me the alligator.

[Lucy Dacus]

There's this huge thing where musicians go and hold koalas when they tour Australia.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Lucy Dacus]

Have you done this?

[Celeste]

I've done this, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm not a musician.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay. But you are a great singer. Let's talk about this. Both of you have incredible voices.

[Bowen Yang]

That's kind of you.

[Lucy Dacus]

But you stand in line, and on either side of the line, our koalas asleep, because they sleep, like 20 hours a day, and they just wake up to eat bamboo and it makes them high and they go back to sleep.

[Bowen Yang]

It makes them high.

[Lucy Dacus]

Makes them high.

[Celeste]

Bamboo. The eucalyptus.

[Lucy Dacus]

Eucalyptus. That's what. Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

So they're drug addicts.

[Lucy Dacus]

They're drug addicts, yes. Yeah. They're just spouting out. Yeah. They all have chlamydia. So it's this, like, not hub sanctuary for the koalas. I guess. The sanctuary is a hub.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

But they're like the Aerosmith of animals because.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Because they're drug addicts and they fuck. It's actually really culture number 30.

[Celeste]

Koalas are the Aerosmith of animals because.

[Bowen Yang]

They'Re drug addicts and they fuck.

[Lucy Dacus]

How are you guys?

[Bowen Yang]

Like. Also, I want to tell you that Aerosmith used to be on Rock and Roller Coaster, and now they're getting replaced with the Muppets, which is probably why they were top of mind for that. Rule of culture. Yeah. So they are out of Rock and Roller Coaster, but they're in.

[Celeste]

The Rules of Threads are converging. Okay, but so then does this mean. Well, you've. You've gone.

[Lucy Dacus]

I held. I held a koala. And you're like, oh, it's gonna be cute and cuddly. But then you get there and their claws are like this, and they. They have heft to them. And I'm, like, holding this koala and it, like, looks at me like. Like in the eyes, and I'm like. I'm holding, like, a dinosaur or something. Like, I can't believe I'm touching. Touching history. Like, wow, koala, you're famous. Like, everyone know.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, you are. You're so significant.

[Lucy Dacus]

Right to me. And then they're like. And on the way out, if you want to go touch some kangaroos, go ahead and they just open a gate unsupervised. You can go touch a hundred kangaroos. You wait in line for the koala, and then as if they don't matter, they just are like, by the way, there's a bunch of kangaroos and they hand you food and you can go and, like, hug and touch and hang out with them for as long as you want. Which I'm like, I would. I would stand in line for you.

[Celeste]

You would stand in line for Karoos. But this is the reason why kangaroos are sort of in an open pen without supervision is because they are basically rodents in Australia. They want to get rid of them. They are selling kangaroo meat at the grocery store.

[Bowen Yang]

I can't stand the way they reproduce. Have you seen it?

[Lucy Dacus]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

Essentially, too little to eat.

[Lucy Dacus]

My stomach kind of hurts, though. You're gonna tell me something weird.

[Bowen Yang]

Go ahead first. And Lucy Dacus just pukes everywhere. Our first guest to throw up all over the white table. Oh, my God. Lucy Dacus dressed up. Lucy Dakis, you threw up all over the white table.

[Celeste]

Don't tell us about the kangaroos.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, look it up. I don't even want to get into it because here's one thing that will happen if you throw up. I will throw up. Should we like to stop talking about Rachel? Forget it.

[Lucy Dacus]

Forget it.

[Bowen Yang]

She takes the pictures and she's going to throw up. Bowen Yang is going to start farting.

[Celeste]

I start farting, shitting, someone breaks up with me again.

[Bowen Yang]

No one's broken up with you because I swear.

[Celeste]

Okay, fine, fine, fine. We're off.

[Bowen Yang]

No one's broken up with you because of the far.

[Celeste]

They've not said as much.

[Lucy Dacus]

Maybe it's hard to say.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, maybe it's hard to say.

[Celeste]

Maybe it's hard to say.

[Bowen Yang]

Although I would just.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make that.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I'm happy to talk about that anytime I get. Well, I've only been broken up with, like. Like hardcore, like, once.

[Celeste]

Oh.

[Bowen Yang]

But it was sort of, like, amorphous and, like. Well, that's being unclear, but it's fine. It's in the past.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Celeste]

I.

[Bowen Yang]

It is kind of nice to know a concrete reason. You know what I mean?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, because that. Because then you can deal with it. Whereas, like, if it's like, an amorphous thing, like, so you. If someone was like, sorry, Bo, it was the farts, I'd be like, great.

[Celeste]

Like, okay, yeah, I'll work on that.

[Bowen Yang]

It's better.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's better that also, like, is clear that it's the other person's problem. Like, if you're so shallow, like, then they're just. They're counting themselves out of the running.

[Bowen Yang]

If you can't have me at my farting, you can't have me at my vomits. Sure.

[Celeste]

You know, when was the last time you threw up? No, no, don't answer.

[Bowen Yang]

I thought I was gonna throw up last night, actually.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

I ate too fast.

[Lucy Dacus]

To me, you're like. You're nine years old right now.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm always nine years old.

[Lucy Dacus]

I almost threw up last night because I ate too fast.

[Bowen Yang]

I ordered lemon Chicken from the diner. Because I'm losing my battle every single night with smoking too much weed and eating food. Okay, so I spoke too much weed. And then I ordered a lemon chicken, mashed potatoes, zucchini.

[Celeste]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

And avalomegnon soup. How do you say this?

[Lucy Dacus]

You think it was the lemon chicken and not the.

[Bowen Yang]

It was. I think it was all of it together. I just got so excited about how good it was that. You ever eat too fast because of this reason, you know what I'm saying?

[Celeste]

You know what I'm saying?

[Bowen Yang]

Then I thought, am I gonna throw up for the first time in. And I couldn't even remember the last time I threw up.

[Celeste]

That's.

[Bowen Yang]

Didn't, though. But thought I would.

[Celeste]

Thought you would.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay, what's.

[Celeste]

What are. What are you and Katie Gavin, like, on the tour bus? Y'.

[Bowen Yang]

All.

[Lucy Dacus]

Y' all sure you'd like to know?

[Celeste]

My two crushes?

I don't want you to answer that.

[Bowen Yang]

So when did you tell.

She has it right now.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, I, I don't remember.

[Bowen Yang]

I can't.

[Celeste]

I couldn't tell.

[Lucy Dacus]

It probably was like a. I, I. I used to be able to drink, like, a lot and not feel anything.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Lucy Dacus]

And I didn't start drinking until I was, like, 21, like, after, because I was, like, afraid of it. I grew up kind of afraid of it. And then recently, it's like, I'll have, like, two glasses of wine, and I'll be like, I'm sick.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

So I just, like, don't really drink. Drink.

[Celeste]

That's good.

[Lucy Dacus]

And, yeah. This is happening to many people in my life.

[Celeste]

It is.

[Bowen Yang]

You realize it really is just poison.

[Lucy Dacus]

It is just poison. You feel the poison working on you. Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like a sick feeling. And not a fun feeling.

[Celeste]

No, for sure.

[Lucy Dacus]

No.

[Celeste]

But you and Katie, are you. What are y' all order? What are y' all eating? I want to know.

[Lucy Dacus]

What are we eating? Well, we have catering, which is nice, because there's so many people. That's like over 20 people that we. Everyone's so busy, and so you don't really have time to go out. And so we'll get, like, fruits and veggies. But caterers on the bus, not on the bus. Like, at the venues.

[Celeste]

Oh, great.

[Lucy Dacus]

But what is. What is Katie eating? I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

Chicken nuggets.

[Lucy Dacus]

We had separate buses, which maybe is, you know, sad.

[Celeste]

No.

[Lucy Dacus]

Because we would have been having such fun.

[Celeste]

Y' all are old pals.

[Lucy Dacus]

We are. We are going to dinner in la, which we should all go to dinner.

[Bowen Yang]

Where are you going all time? I know you're going to all time.

[Lucy Dacus]

I haven't gone there. We went to Spina, which is like Spina. Yeah, I like it too.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what? I go all the time. Superba.

[Lucy Dacus]

Superb. I've never been there.

[Bowen Yang]

Always at Superba.

[Lucy Dacus]

Superba. And I love Bakari and Bakari.

[Bowen Yang]

Bakari, Silverlake.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a good date spot.

[Lucy Dacus]

All right. I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

Bring your art about these things.

[Lucy Dacus]

Bring your artist. Bring your artist to Bakari.

[Bowen Yang]

No one knows who it is.

[Celeste]

We won't say.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. Secret, secret, secret, secrets.

[Celeste]

I would love dinner with y'.

[Lucy Dacus]

All.

[Celeste]

I would get all hot. And being back here gets me hot in the face.

[Bowen Yang]

When we were in Coachella and you guys FaceTimed, that was a big.

[Lucy Dacus]

I just. I. I forget that you can just use your phone. Yeah. You're just. At any point, just boom. Like someone can get into your life.

[Bowen Yang]

I just realized I have. I now have a song with Lucy and Katie.

[Celeste]

Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

Get on my level now.

[Celeste]

Oh, that's real. I'm really thinking about that.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'm really thinking about that.

[Celeste]

No, that's so amazing.

[Bowen Yang]

And I'll perform it at my tour Christmas in December. Get your [e-mail].

What if your wifi wasn't just WI fi, but the magic holding your whole holiday together?

[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

And if you're wondering what other parental instincts your WI Fi has during this busy season, Xfinity protects your kids when they're online, so you know they're safe, even if you're busy making cocoa or taste testing cookies.

[Lucy Dacus]

What?

[Bowen Yang]

Someone has to make sure there's exactly the same amount of chocolate chips in each cookie. And what if your WI Fi could proactively fix issues before they even happen? Well, that's exactly what Xfinity WI Fi does. Like the friend who shows up with extra wrapping paper, bows, and tape before you even realize you're out. Because, let's be honest, you never buy enough.

[Celeste]

Bottom line, Xfinity WI Fi isn't just smart, it's brilliant. And during the holidays, that brilliance, that's a gift. Xfinity. Imagine that.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

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[Celeste]

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Celeste]

This is, I don't think zoning. This is our segment where we take one minute to really go off on something. In culture, it's a polemic. It is really destructive. And that's what we need more of.

[Bowen Yang]

If we do our job. I have something.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay. Yeah, we're each gonna do it.

[Celeste]

We're gonna go first and you get to choose out of your options.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Cause you said you had five options for I don't think so many. But you feel strongly about one thing.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, I feel strongly about all of them, but not all of them. Am I willing to hear what other people have to say?

[Bowen Yang]

I understand. So what do you think about the idea of you just kind of telling us what they all are and we get to vote and then later. Okay, okay, okay.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'll do the whole. I'll do how many minutes you got later? We can do this.

[Bowen Yang]

We got minutes.

[Celeste]

Yeah, we got minutes.

[Bowen Yang]

But for first, one minute from me, then Beau, then Lucy Dagus. Okay, I'm ready.

[Celeste]

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, Honey's time starts now.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey. Avatar, Fire and Ash trailer. What is it about? What is the movie about? Because I know that is a lot is happening.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

I know there's a lot of screaming, explosions and more. But I do need to know the story of the film. I understand. Also, the trailer is very international. It being a very international movie. This will make billions of dollars, I'm sure. I'm so happy for everyone involved. But I do need to know what the movie is about. I understand that we don't really go for the story, but it would be nice to know, you know what I'm saying.

[Celeste]

What would you say Way of Water was about?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, the water. I guess the baby was strong.

[Celeste]

The baby was strong. See, this is what I'm saying.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like, what do you remember from Avatar? Way of Water, My baby is strong. She was a singer of songs, et cetera.

[Celeste]

15 seconds.

[Bowen Yang]

Give me some lines of dialogue that is not just like a Na' Vi screaming through the air, landing on a spacecraft. Like, I understand. The humans are definitely bad again, five times. We love that. I was once told I look like Jake Sully. Avatar version, not Sam Worthington.

[Celeste]

And that's one minute. And you wanna think it's a compliment?

[Bowen Yang]

No, no. That was just sort of an additional fact I wanted to throw on the end there.

[Celeste]

You feel connection.

[Lucy Dacus]

You do think so, honey, about that.

[Bowen Yang]

Actually, can I tell you something? When someone was like, you look like Jake Sully. You look like Jake Sully. I was like, okay. And then I saw him and I was like, not only do I kind of get it, but I'll take it.

[Celeste]

It's a gorgeous proportion.

[Bowen Yang]

Like I think it would. It's like the long nose and like, and the big eyes, eyebrows, and like, sort of like the, like Ectomorphic positioning.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, ectomorphic positioning.

[Bowen Yang]

There's ectomorphs and there's mesomorphs. Ectomorph is long and lean like Nicole Kidman.

[Lucy Dacus]

So everyone is either an ectomorph or a mesomorph.

[Celeste]

I think it's. I think it's plots on a. On a spectrum, perhaps.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

The morph spectrum.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm. I, I trust him with.

[Lucy Dacus]

Or an animal. No. Or an animorph.

[Bowen Yang]

Or an animal.

[Celeste]

What would your. Animorph animal be.

[Lucy Dacus]

That's a culture.

[Celeste]

That is absolutely a culture.

[Bowen Yang]

Huge culture.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, what would my animorph be?

I know, a bear maybe. But what. What is.

[Celeste]

My bear is really good.

[Lucy Dacus]

Is that it? Is that. No. What were you gonna say?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. I don't know. For some reason I saw you, and this has nothing to do with what you look like, but I saw you becoming an anteater.

[Celeste]

Taper.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, taper. Like for some reason.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Celeste]

Oh, those are really nice animals.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Are they nice?

[Lucy Dacus]

An ant eater.

[Celeste]

So they're eating the ants. I'm. I'm happy.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Thank God you don't like them.

[Celeste]

I really don't like ants.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

It's one of those things we probably should appreciate more because, you know, they have a function in society.

[Lucy Dacus]

Again.

[Celeste]

I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

There's got to be something with, like, the soil.

[Lucy Dacus]

There has got to be something. I. I like mosquitoes.

[Celeste]

I like the culture they worship. One woman. I like that.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, yeah. There's a queen aunt.

[Celeste]

There's a queen.

[Lucy Dacus]

Do you know how old old ants can get?

[Bowen Yang]

How old?

[Lucy Dacus]

The oldest aunt is 30 years old.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Flirty, really thriving.

[Celeste]

Really old.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

That is so old.

[Lucy Dacus]

That's one of my funnest facts.

[Bowen Yang]

We found out that the alligators we saw can live to 75 or 80.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

And the big one, seen things named Benjamin that I was discussing earlier was approximately 60 years old. The same age as Captain Carrie.

[Celeste]

Kelly.

[Bowen Yang]

Kelly. Captain Carrie is on Below deck.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Lucy Dacus]

Aw.

[Celeste]

What was I gonna say about.

[Bowen Yang]

Probably something amazing.

[Celeste]

Avatar.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah.

[Celeste]

I think most of the movies are about them jumping on planes or them roaring. She was a singer of songs. What is. What an interesting line.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, what. What's happening is. I think Avatar 1 was about, like, okay, we're seeing the planet. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we're getting accustomed to.

[Lucy Dacus]

It's supposed to be like, colonialism is bad.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Correct.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

I think Avatar 2 was obviously about our great oceans, or rather Pandora's great oceans. And then fire and ash, I think is gonna have to do with, I don't know, I guess, like, the skies or something. And apparently this is a lot of fire allegory.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, they're doing Earth, Earth, water, fire. Are they gonna do air?

[Bowen Yang]

Feels like the logical progression.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Celeste]

I feel like air has already been in the movies. They've been flying around.

[Bowen Yang]

They've been flying around so much.

[Lucy Dacus]

This is.

[Celeste]

This is my thought, and I might be wrong, but to put out movies that are like, colonialism Is bad. I'm like, right. But it's too late. You know what I mean? It's like, what are we gonna do about it? What's still happening? But you're right. Totally.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, so. Yeah.

[Celeste]

Have we stopped it? But maybe that's not the point.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, it's about responsibility. Once that is the case.

[Celeste]

By the mindset of colonialism. Yeah, of course.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Respect and responsibility. Once you've established a reality that is taken from something else, it's like you must now honor the fact that, like, it's, you know, it's essentially being like. Yeah, reparations.

[Lucy Dacus]

Also, it's like, maybe it's too late to have happen. It's not too late to try and correct.

[Celeste]

Correct.

[Lucy Dacus]

Give land back. Yes.

[Celeste]

Right.

[Bowen Yang]

You will never be one of the people. That's exactly what the line was.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And then.

[Lucy Dacus]

So that's from something.

[Celeste]

That's from Avatar.

[Bowen Yang]

You wouldn't ever be one of the people.

[Lucy Dacus]

Thank you for.

[Bowen Yang]

And she went out on there for a different movie.

[Celeste]

Explain that. I've got something.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay. Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Emilia Perez herself.

[Celeste]

This is coming out in December, as we know.

[Bowen Yang]

So this is gonna be seasonal.

[Celeste]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

All right. This is Bowen Yang's. I always, always open the wrong app when it comes to having to time something. Okay, this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[Celeste]

I don't think so. Any poinsettias? First of all, let's talk about the spelling. One extra I, one I too many after the T. After the two T's are the one. I'm not gonna look into it. All I know is there's an errant, errant silent eye.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, sure.

[Celeste]

You look like a damn weed. And for a flower to have to be in a pot that is wrapped in a specific kind of foil that is maybe going to be mistaken for the petal of the flower. I go, well, then you're leaning too much on the container. And the flower itself is not doing the right kind of work to aesthetically hold the center of this presentation and arrangement. I don't understand it. Why are they everywhere? We've got too many crystals. The tree, the fucking mistletoe. Don't even get me started on that.

[Bowen Yang]

Five seconds.

[Celeste]

And now I gotta figure out this flower that looks like shit. Get that out of my sight. I don't think so. Any poinsettias?

[Bowen Yang]

That's one minute. You know, it's the thing about. It's the thing about Christmas that I'm the most like, okay, well, sure, yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

It feels 80s why do they feel like it's an 80s flower? Flowers shouldn't evoke a decade.

[Bowen Yang]

You're so right.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Why does it feel 80s?

[Lucy Dacus]

It's 80s.

[Bowen Yang]

Because it does.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, the container is this, like, shiny. Yeah. The dress. Beautiful dresses. Beautiful dresses to those flowers.

[Celeste]

Yes, it does.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

It has like a cocaine energy that.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'm like, well, you know, when you bend the leaf, like, white goo comes out. Stop.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, come on.

[Lucy Dacus]

I guess so.

[Celeste]

You're right. I think. I think. I think when I was growing up.

[Lucy Dacus]

As a kid in church, I would just go like, yep, with my nail and it would just.

[Bowen Yang]

And the white girl. That's what you were doing as a.

[Lucy Dacus]

Kid instead of listening about God one time on Christmas. Since this is apparently a Christmas episode. I am wearing red and green.

[Celeste]

You are.

[Bowen Yang]

You're dressed like Santa.

[Lucy Dacus]

I didn't realize, but our. The church I grew up in, everyone would. The lights would go down in the church and we'd pass a flame. Everyone would get a candle and you're not safe past the flame. And at the end, it would be beautiful. Everyone's singing Silent Night acapella.

[Celeste]

I love this.

[Lucy Dacus]

And I was five and holding the flame and looking up at the. The church and kind of going around. And then this woman starts hitting me in the head. And I don't know why. I'm just getting smacked in the head and people are screaming. And then the lights come on and I had lit my hair on fire.

And. But it was just like. And I do have this memory. The most potent memory from it is the pastor jokingly, I now know, saying, well, Christmas is canceled.

[Celeste]

That is humiliating.

[Bowen Yang]

At the time, you thought maybe.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, because it stopped Silent Night. And it was sort of this talk like, do we restart? It's like, no, let's just go home.

[Bowen Yang]

A kid almost immolated. We have to go.

[Lucy Dacus]

We have to go.

[Bowen Yang]

But why not?

[Celeste]

This. That's 90s culture is, let's embarrass the kid and. And have that be a trauma in her life.

[Lucy Dacus]

I do. I, like, really don't like Christmas. And I don't usually think of this story as why. But that.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you think it has something to do with it?

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, probably.

[Celeste]

That sounds like a Steven song.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah, it. Yes. That was the worst Christmas ever.

[Celeste]

That was the worst Christmas ever. I love that Christmas album.

[Lucy Dacus]

One of the best Christmas songs, maybe the best that I know of.

[Celeste]

Thank you.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

But you've.

[Lucy Dacus]

You've.

[Celeste]

You've. You've done Christmas songs. You've released some Christmas songs, haven't you making that up?

[Bowen Yang]

Which one would you release?

[Lucy Dacus]

That was the worst Christmas ever.

[Bowen Yang]

That was the one. Oh, that would be really, really good.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'm doing like a Christmas show with Rufus Wainwright, who I also sang with last night, which was amazing.

[Celeste]

So cool.

[Bowen Yang]

Where was that?

[Lucy Dacus]

Webster Hall. Part of, like, the New Yorker Festival.

[Celeste]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

But I was like, can we sing the Art Teacher together? It's just. I don't know. If you know the song, I'll send it you to you. But he's, you know, a legend. He's just like a history lesson within one person.

[Celeste]

Rufus. Yeah. Holds it all.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

Can do. Can. Can do Judy at Carnegie hall and can also do opera. Do opera and then rock with you.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Celeste]

That's rock star.

[Bowen Yang]

Speaking of rocking with you. It's time for. I don't think son of your opera.

[Lucy Dacus]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

Grammy winning rock artist.

[Celeste]

Also.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey. Superstar.

[Lucy Dacus]

We don't know that yet.

[Celeste]

We do.

[Bowen Yang]

I have faith.

[Lucy Dacus]

My heart is racing.

[Bowen Yang]

I can't wait to experience this awe. Don't be racing.

[Celeste]

Sublime.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay, I do need to. You have a screen protector, and I couldn't see the timer when you were faced that way.

[Bowen Yang]

Don't worry.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Celeste]

This.

[Lucy Dacus]

I'm scared.

[Bowen Yang]

Is Lucy Davis. I don't think. Sonny. Her time starts now.

[Lucy Dacus]

The boy with the dangly earring, is he a villain? I don't think so, honey. And here's why. First of all, sometimes you have to wear the costume before it becomes the clothes. Sometimes people are the ally at the pride parade for years before they figure out why they keep showing up. Why are we gatekeeping a gate that all of us had to walk through at one point or other. Specifically with the dangly earring. Sometimes we have a guy with a dangly earring. Then you wait five years, you have a. A beautiful woman on your hands, 30 seconds. In other situations, the guy takes out the earring. No one was hurt. If you don't like that guy, that has to do with that guy's personality. Unfortunately, it would be so easy if we actually knew who people were from what they're wearing. But we do have to do the hard work and take the time to find out if someone is actually disingenuous or cool with us. And I think that the threat of being made fun of or thought of as disingenuous at the front is intimidating people out of being creative and playful with their presentation, which could lead them down a path to a life that would be more tolerable and fun.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Celeste]

That. That pierced through all of my calloused.

[Bowen Yang]

Armor to my heart. New episode unlocked. Just like on all those themes. I have to say, when you started and the way that you. The way that you structured that. I don't think so, honey, was a misdirect. Because when you started by saying the boy with the dangly earring, here I am thinking you're gonna tear that guy.

[Lucy Dacus]

Up because it is easy to do, but I think it's lazy.

[Bowen Yang]

You're right, it is easy to do. And I was ready to do it. And then I had to assess based on your actual content. You queered the form 100%.

[Celeste]

You did, Lucy. That was innovative. That was the sublime.

[Bowen Yang]

That was all, oh, my God.

[Lucy Dacus]

So basically, are you currently having to be like, but I do hate the guy with the dangly ear.

[Celeste]

I don't hate the guy with the dangly ear.

[Bowen Yang]

Sometimes is the guy with the dangle earring.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, and sometimes the guy with the dangly earring is hateable sometimes. But hate people for who they are, you know, Give them the dignity of hating them for who they are.

[Bowen Yang]

Let me talk. Let me go up to the dangled and let me speak with them, you know what I mean? And then judge them based on them showing me what's on their phone. Be it the, you know, huge breasted manifestation of their sexual conquest, desirable abilities thing, or the bombs, you know, something like that. But I do agree with you that it's like you do have to let people look, maybe in. Maybe in a way that you think is silly. Like people should express themselves with clothes. I do feel and music and like art and stuff like that. And self expression. I feel like. Let's not judge.

[Celeste]

Yeah. Yes. I hope I have not judged you too many times in the past for the way you've looked.

[Lucy Dacus]

Whoa.

[Bowen Yang]

You don't really read me for the way I look. Unless I'm like mismatched colors. Cause I'm colorblind.

[Celeste]

You don't read me. I don't know why I bring this up, but I just hope I've never gate kept an aesthetic.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think we do that to each other.

[Celeste]

Because this is the thing. An aesthetic is the bridge to the person or the idea or the political notion or whatever it is. You know what I mean? It's like if you look the part.

That'S why fascism moves through the aesthetic of fascism. Whatever. I won't get into that. You know what I mean? That is the literal front line. And so dangly earring, it's like, we'll let the person do a dangly earring, and then that will be, like, the locus, the inflection point for something else. The dangly earring is the bridge to something else.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. Or if it's not, they're at least the type of person that would be willing to walk on the bridge and then walk back to the other side. I like people who are open to the idea that they could be different than how they are and then be like, no, I think I'm. I'm good.

[Celeste]

I think I'm good.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

No, it's interesting. Like, one time there was someone in my life who was then not in it anymore, and a friend of mine incommiserating about this person was like. And they wore those stupid turquoise earrings.

[Lucy Dacus]

Well, we can do that with our friends.

[Bowen Yang]

And I remember. And I remember afterwards, I was like, now I feel a little bad because I think the turquoise earring was kind of fun. There's so many things to talk shit about this person, about the way they act and about they are. But the turquoise earring actually made me pity that person because I was like, oh, but that. You know, sometimes people think, like, I know who I am, and so I'm dressing this way. But a lot of people are like, I'm gonna try dressing this way because hopefully I get encouragement and then I can be more who I am. And perhaps if that was encouraged in a specific type of person, then they wouldn't be horrible.

[Celeste]

This is very thought provoking, Lucy. Thank you for really.

[Lucy Dacus]

But then also, like, you can be dunking on nasty people with your friends about what they're wearing. But, like, clothes are. Let's remember. Yeah. Some clothes are ugly.

[Bowen Yang]

It's actually real culture.

[Lucy Dacus]

I do think so, honey.

[Bowen Yang]

Some clothes are ugly.

[Lucy Dacus]

Some clothes are ugly.

[Celeste]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, that was.

[Bowen Yang]

And I know. I'm. I'm so interested after we end, because not everyone gets to know everything about what your other idol thinks Mahoneys are. Because if they're structured like that, I'm.

[Lucy Dacus]

So excited to tell you. I hope that might be my ick, actually. You might hear this and be like. Like, no, no.

[Celeste]

What do you mean?

[Lucy Dacus]

So we'll find out. Yeah, they don't get to. I don't. I trust you.

[Celeste]

Oh, thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

And because we've established trust through.

[Lucy Dacus]

Through connection.

[Bowen Yang]

Through a Spotify song.

[Lucy Dacus]

Through a Spotify song and a live.

[Bowen Yang]

Performance that, by the way, yes. Was by far the highlight of that show for us.

[Lucy Dacus]

I mean, for me, too, since, I mean, you did the whole show. I only did that one moment. So it's my favorite.

[Celeste]

But you showed up for rehearsal the day before it happened. That meant a lot to us. That was a crazy week for. On a lot of levels.

[Lucy Dacus]

You did something amazing, by the way. I was like, oh, you asked me to do something. I like you. I'll do what you have asked. And then I showed up and you put on a real. Like, it was really an award show. I did not know what I was walking into. And it was like, so funny. Way more interesting than most award shows.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, thank you.

[Lucy Dacus]

Give an award to.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow. From a Grammy winner. Okay.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. From an award haver to an award deserver.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Thank you. You're the best. And honestly, that. That really, it was like from inception of that. Of that idea, the. Of the. Of the in absentia to then doing it. I just remember us being at the end and after you came out and like, that being like. I felt like we did it because that part went so well.

[Celeste]

Exactly.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, it was just like such a highlight for us.

[Lucy Dacus]

Funny.

[Celeste]

Well, damn. Forever's a feeling. The archives Buy stream. Watch the videos.

[Bowen Yang]

Get the vinyl. Get the vinyl. There is.

[Celeste]

Yeah, of course.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. It's coming out in December, actually.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, love, that's perfect.

[Lucy Dacus]

Here's something else. Like, I would have done this without promoting something. I love you guys.

[Celeste]

We would have obviously had you on without you promoting something. It was about.

[Bowen Yang]

It was a matter of time.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay. I love that.

[Celeste]

We love you.

[Lucy Dacus]

Yeah. We'll get dinner with Katie.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lucy Dacus]

If you can stand me after these.

[Bowen Yang]

Other Lucy, we're already obsessed. We don't have to go to separate bike.

[Celeste]

We can go. We can go wherever.

[Bowen Yang]

We do have to go to all time.

[Lucy Dacus]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Just kidding. We don't have to go to all the time. We end every episode with a song. Oh, don't wanna close my eyes.

[Lucy Dacus]

I don't wanna fall asleep.

[Bowen Yang]

Cause I miss you, baby And I.

[Lucy Dacus]

Don'T wanna miss a thing.

[Bowen Yang]

Cause even when I dream of you.

If you want to hear that, listen to all of our song on Spotify.

[Lucy Dacus]

If you had told me that was happening, I would have practiced.

Accessible.

[Celeste]

Las Coltristas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

[Bowen Yang]

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen. Yeah. Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced.

[Celeste]

By Becca Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Bain.

[Bowen Yang]

And our music is by Henry Kabirski.

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[Celeste]

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[Bowen Yang]

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