A (2:41)

Wow.

B (2:42)

Is that culture?

A (2:43)

Yes. Goodness.

B (2:44)

Wow.

A (2:44)

Las culturistas. Ding dong.

B (2:48)

Las culturistas.

A (2:51)

Why are we giggling?

B (2:52)

I said okay, me rolling. Oh yeah.

A (2:55)

You know, I always say I'm rolling. And then Matt goes, okay, me rolling.

B (2:59)

I don't ever say that though. But this time I said me rolling.

A (3:03)

I'm saying, I usually say, ok, I'm rolling. Or you say I'm rolling. One of us says I'm rolling and the other one says me too. And that's.

B (3:09)

Maybe I meant to say me too and I accidentally said me rolling. Which is literally a front runner for title event. Me rolling.

A (3:17)

Well, I, I think that's a great new hashtag too.

B (3:22)

Hashtag me rolling. Really, really, really good. When we're out at the club, at the party, you know, nightlife in New York City, it's never been better.

A (3:30)

It's never been better. I mean, you know, there's much written discourse about it.

B (3:37)

We're getting right into it. We're speaking about Stephen Phillips Horst wrote a piece on, I guess gay partying and gay sex for New York magazine.

A (3:46)

The headline was have we reached peak gay sluttiness. And in an age when, you know, supposedly we're, you know, young people are having less sex than ever, seems like CIS gay guys are doing plenty of it based on these advances in drug. Party. Drug technology.

B (4:03)

Party drug technology. Also a front runner. Frontrunner for title of up. Yeah, it was really fascinating because I was reading this and I was seeing all the discourse about it online, which, you know, all credit to the piece, which I did feel was well written and accurate to a. To an extent. We'll talk about it. But the most interesting thing about the whole thing to me was the variety and intensity of reactions in the discourse about the piece.

A (4:27)

I guess that's a six. That makes it a successful piece in, in terms of what it's trying to accomplish. Sorry, keep going.

B (4:32)

I cut you. No, no, no. But it was fascinating because at the same time I was, you know, observing all of this and reading all this and internalizing all this. It feels like it hit the news extra hard just how little sex Gen Z and Gen Alpha is having. Like I was watching this. The young turks and Gen Alpha, we.

A (4:52)

Can give them a little bit with.

B (4:54)

Gen Alpha, they're too young to fuck. Right? Like, I actually don't know which is.

A (4:57)

Which I'm going to say just to, just to air on this air on safety, like maybe, maybe, maybe we shouldn't think about Gen Alpha fucking.

B (5:05)

Okay, no, I, I guess let, let me just come out and say. I don't know how old that is. Like so, so Gen Z, how old, how young is the youngest Gen Z? Let's start there.

A (5:14)

So Gen Alpha, the, the cutoff for Gen Alpha is the current day, either 2010 to 2024 or 2013 to 2025. So, so the oldest gen alpha person supposedly is 15 years old.

B (5:25)

Okay, so never mind. Take it out, take it out. No, I, I don't even know if it needs to be edited out. But like, no, like I'm just saying, like I said, take it out record, please. But I was, I was watching something on the Young Turks about how people across the board aged 18 to 21, like 48% of them had not had sex in the last year or something like, or it was like three months to a year. There was like some metric, people can look it up, but suffice it to say the big headline was. And this is something I observed, you know, they were also, they were talking about it because they were talking about on msnbc, young people and people in general are having way less sex.

A (6:10)

Yeah.

B (6:11)

And then when I read this piece that Steven wrote, it was all about, I mean the literal aim to get people talking was gay community. Everyone is having more sex than you and partying more than you and like going for it more. We've reached peak. And it was just fascinating the reactions that not only that headline generated, but then the specifics of the article generated.

A (6:32)

Sure. I mean that thesis is. I'm sort of the counter. Thetical person because I'm literally in that article because I saw him at a party, who's writing this? And he asked me and I was like. And I'm quoted as saying I've never had less sex than now, but I'm also not a G queen, I guess, tying it to the drug culture. So for people who don't know ghb, a drug that must be taken in specific doses at specific times, cannot be mixed with alcohol, more commonly known in the past as the date rape drug. Not a roofie, but lethal when combined with alcohol. Potentially lethal. And it kind of gets you in a fucked up place, quote unquote. That's the qualitative, I guess, way to describe it so that you can feel a certain kind of feeling without drinking A certain amount of alcohol like you, it's, it's a, you know, kind of takes away the caloric aspect of it.

B (7:32)

Yeah, the caloric aspect goes away. You also don't feel drunk the next day people come over.

A (7:38)

Yeah.

B (7:38)

And just transparently bone and I don't use G. But obviously if you read this article and you know, people in the gay community, it is quite popular and people have their reasons for doing it and I think that those reasons being explored in the article also made people feel a certain way.

A (7:57)

Yes.

B (7:58)

It also Darkle also touches a bit on like, you know, different variants of like, you know, cocaine and ketamine etc. Just like really kind of exhaustively goes through the behaviors and activities related to and regarding gay partying and gay sex. Because obviously these types of party drugs do open the door to more sex, more partying, more energy, etc, everything in that regard. So what I thought was fascinating about it, like I said, was it felt like, like I actually wrote, I was taking notes on what people were kind of saying because there was also a lot of close friends going off.

A (8:36)

I love picturing you at a notepad. I just want to say, look, my notes.

B (8:42)

Bowen knows I take notes. I'm taking field notes.

A (8:45)

One of your collectibles, which is something that I collect. But for your new apartment you should, you should strew about the house strewn whatever little notepads you collect from like hotels and stuff. Anyway, I keep going.

B (8:56)

These are some things I wrote down and. And then afterwards I think we can talk about how it made us feel. But one feeling like as a result of reading the article, they're doing gay wrong for not engaging in this type of partying or feeling uncomfortable about this type of partying and this type of sex being this loose. Like I saw a lot of people and I talked to some people who were expressing discomfort with the idea that yeah, I'm insecure in my place in the community because I don't do this. So that was one. Another was feeling unfairly exposed by the specifics in the article or like it was betraying something to people who this wasn't for. So somebody to say, you know, seeing themselves in the article feeling like perhaps it was not for the eyes of people that were not in these rooms and they felt a certain way about that.

A (9:47)

Sure.

B (9:48)

Then there is feeling like it's an accurate depiction of the culture and validates why you're not in this type of scene. So basically it's like, yeah, that's. I'm not that type of person. I see this I'm happy this was written because it just makes me feel like I'm doing the right thing by not being in that part of atmosphere. And then finally, at least this is what I saw. Feeling like it's accurate and potentially are, you know, not feeling sad about that behavior and not being like regretful about behavior, but being ornery about what it reveals at a time when judgment, violence, negative action towards our community is at an all time high. So those were so. And then you know, general being like, yep, that's it. Haha. Like well written. This piece capture something. So it was the intensity of all that and the surprising places where those reactions came from that to me was the most compelling. And I'm wondering if you identified with any of those subsects of reaction or if you have a different take.

A (10:50)

I was gonna say most of those I think are valid. Certainly the insecurity and doing gay wrong. I feel like that is something that I think you and I constantly bump up against, especially in the moment, even, which I think is a good thing to understand it presently. While we are present in those situations, while we're adjacent to those, we'll say. Cause again, we've never speaking as people who have never partaken in those drugs. I think there's a limited scope in that maybe, but also. But suffice it to say, which you have been using a lot recently in our interpersonal communications. I love.

B (11:26)

Damn.

A (11:26)

Keep going with that.

B (11:27)

I will suffice it to say, I'll keep going.

A (11:30)

It's like roaches sort of like fleeing the light. It's like there's something. The light should not be on this. There's a reason why this is underground. And I don't think it has. I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with shame. I think it more has to do with like, oh no, this is not meant for exposure. Like this is not meant to be. I don't know, like, it certainly merits intellectualization, which everything does. But I think like there's something about the fact that there's something to protect. There is. And there's nothing wrong with protecting this facet of queer life. And especially in these times when like, you know, you want to have some sort of like outlet. Like I, I understand that. I think I don't quite know where I fall on like demonizing gay people, queer people in general, but I.

B (12:24)

You're not sure if you want to demonize them. Maybe they should be demonized a little bit.

A (12:29)

Every day I wake up and I go, is this the Day that I demonize, it changes.

B (12:34)

I got my finger wavering over the demonize button at all times.

A (12:38)

But then I was going to say something else. Like my take is if it's fraying the community in any way, then that I sort of go, well. And I don't know if that was like the intention. I don't think so. But I think because. Because the discourse is so split. Like I'm like, oh, well, then I don't know if, I don't know if this is like healthy for us to all disagree.

B (13:00)

I think it is healthy for us to disagree. I actually think this is one of the healthiest conversations that we've had in a while. I'm really grateful about the piece because I think we do need to talk about the way in which our community has changed. And also, you know, Steven, you know, makes a note of saying several times, I'm 37, I'm 37, I'm37. And I think that something that maybe, maybe this is intentional or maybe not. But he's specifically talking about an age.

A (13:26)

Yes.

B (13:26)

And he's revealing a self consciousness about that age. And I think, I think that I applaud him for writing it because everyone's talking about it and I.

A (13:34)

Yes, we're fans of Stephen, by the way. Fantastic writer, fantastic comedian.

B (13:38)

Yeah, totally. And I think if it's missing something, because I do think it's, it's accurate and I do, by the way, and I say that also acknowledging I think it's accurate for a part of the gay community. This clearly is not everyone. I will cop to. I've never used G. I have used K. I've done cocaine like Bowen and I. Like, we, we've not done G, but we do, you know, we are like in the community and have used these types of drugs. Some of them like the MMC3, I didn't even really know what that was. So that's like a spectrum in and of itself. Like you can be a part of the gay community and be on some spectrum here in terms of like, you're not a G queen, but you have recreationally like used Academy and done these things and like, you know, or, or unaware of what that is or I may not even have called it the right thing right now. Like, I just know it's a bunch of letters and numbers. But I think if something is missing from the article and again, I think it's accurate, I think it's funny. I think compassion is missing because I think that something that I will peel back the curtain on for people who maybe aren't in the queer community, but especially in your mid-30s and you approach 40, you're sad because the fact is when you're in the queer community, you don't get to start being yourself and enjoying community until you find community and until you understand who you are. And that happens at really different rates for a lot of people. And what is something that helps drugs and alcohol and historically, I mean, this is going all the way back. Like, people convene and they imbibe and it helps them loosen up and it helps them open doors, it helps them express themselves all sorts of ways. Do I think that some of this drug use is getting out of hand? Has it changed relationships that I have had in my life in all different facets? Have I seen like, you know, rationalizations for drug use, increase on unhealthy relationships? You know, personally and exterior? I've seen that happen. And I do associate it with getting older. And I think that issues become more glaring as you get older. So, yes, I think this is all true, but I do think that it would have maybe been helpful and maybe been a good supplement to the article to just explore like, why these behaviors may be happening. Because there is a little bit of a panic and a sadness when you realize you're getting older and started late.

A (16:21)

Yes. And also having that coincide with a time when there is this ambient political malaise and like a loss of will and power and all this stuff.

B (16:32)

Totally. Let's party. Etc. Because why the not. Because it doesn't look good.

A (16:38)

Right. I totally agree. And there's also just like, I don't know, like a synthetic scientific aspect to this where it's like it's.

B (16:47)

Yeah, it's.

A (16:48)

It's being tweaked in a way that is meant to like, optimize. And that's why like a lot of like science workers. That's not the right term, but a lot of like people who work science workers, a lot of people who work in tech science, medical field, a lot of gay men who have those jobs tend to, not to generalize, but they are the ones who tend to have knowledge, are literate in it, have access to it, and you know, with that knowledge and access kind of can regulate it for themselves in the short term. In the short term. I'm gonna go as far so far as to say that, like, we don't know long term how you regulate this, because we don't. Not that much time has passed.

B (17:25)

Oh no. I worry about the bladders of people who I see Doing ketamine all the time. And it's not a judgment. It's the farthest thing from a judgment. But when something becomes regular in a community, like, it's. It's worth looking at and we don't have the answers to all of it.

A (17:45)

Gay UTI skyrocketing. I think. You think that's what it is.

B (17:49)

I don't even know. Like, I mean, and I think the thing too is just like, I see it get rationalized a lot in terms of like, oh, I'm not just using it for partying. I'm using it for my depression. And then suddenly everyone's their own physician in a way where I'm like, eh, I don't know. Maybe it is worth looking at. I don't think that anyone likes it when. And this is where the defensive reaction comes in for me. I don't think anyone likes it when A, it's pointed out that they may have an unhealthy relationship with something.

A (18:21)

Of course.

B (18:22)

And B, vanity is pointed out. And I think it's dishonest to say that it's not about that for a lot of people.

A (18:29)

Does Steven make this connection in the article that, like, a big reason for the popularity of G and a reason why people rationalize it is because there's like an aesthetic thing there. Like, of course it plays into like, the body fascism of the gay community, which is objectively present. Like, there's no.

B (18:47)

And it didn't. It never went away. In fact, it got, it got worse. I mean, it's, it's. It's the same as it's always been. Like, now we have the language for it and we're able to express that it's a thing, you know, because we're, we're. We've all been emboldened over the past 10, 15 years. It feels like now that we've gotten to a certain place to be, like, hey, we all feel a certain way in these spaces, but that doesn't mean those spaces don't still have a stronghold.

A (19:12)

Right. I was gonna say, I think New York magazine, I think in like 2017, 2018, I remember reading there was an article about how ketamine is the drug of this time. Because of this, these similar reasons, it feels more pronounced now, obviously, of like, losing your political will, losing power, only feeling empowered to make decisions in your consumer life, in your, in literally what you ingest or what you put into your body. Like ketamine is the dissociative thing, is the representative thing in terms of like, this very dissociative time, right? I feel like we're not necessarily in a dissociative time now. I don't think we are in a time when people just, just want pure. It's cynical and it's disconnected and therefore like drugs that kind of push you all the way to one extreme seem appealing.

B (20:05)

Yeah.

A (20:07)

Hey everyone, we know many of you probably have a watch list with all the streaming shows you want to see. Well, if you haven't seen Platonic on Apple TV plus you need to add it to yours now. It's hilarious. Seth Rogen and Rose Byrne play a pair of platonic besties like Matt and I who are as likely to cause trouble for each other as they are too support each other.

B (20:26)

If you have seen it, you already know that, but you might not know that. Season two of Platonic is out now.

A (20:32)

This season, Rogan and Burn deal with uncomfortably hilarious midlife hurdles, including new business ventures, weddings, and partners in crises. And as best friends do, they try to help each other but sometimes just make things worse. These two are just so funny together.

B (20:50)

Love them. Luke McFarlane and Carla Gallo are so back this season alongside new guest stars, including some seriously fun SNL alums AD Bryant, Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennett, and the fabulous Milo Manheim.

A (21:04)

If you haven't seen season one, catch up immediately. And if you have second season of Platonic is now streaming on Apple tv. Plus don't miss it.

B (21:11)

This message is brought to you by Apple Card.

A (21:13)

Does this sound familiar? You're in line at checkout cart full of items, your toddler screaming for a treat, and you left your wallet in the car. Or was it at home?

B (21:23)

No need to panic. With your iPhone in hand, you can tap to pay using Apple Card with Apple Pay and you'll earn daily cash back when you do so. If your credit card is an Apple.

A (21:32)

Card, maybe it should be subject to credit approval. Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs bank usa, Salt Lake City Ranch Terms and more at Apple Car I don't think so, honey.

B (21:40)

Heat damage K18 heat bounce conditioning heat protectant delivers deeper heat protection than ever before.

A (21:46)

This is a girl with everything going for her. She detangles and fortifies hair from the inside out. So whether you're getting a bouncy blowout or diffusing to get some big pop Princess curls, she's the one.

B (21:58)

You'll get up to 85% less breakage after blow drying and smooth, shiny, vibrant hair every time. And here's the real gag. The more you use it, the stronger your hair gets.

A (22:07)

So Go ahead, turn on the heat, shop heat bounce at Sephora or use code culturistas for 10% off your first order at k18hair.com k18hair.com that's called culturistas. At k18hair.com cooler temps are rolling in and as always, Quince is where I'm turning to for fall staples that actually last. From cashmere to denim to boots, the quality holds up and the price still blows me away.

B (22:34)

Quint has the kind of fall staples you'll wear non stop, like super soft, 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters starting at just $60.

A (22:42)

Their denim is durable and fits right and their real leather jackets bring that clean, classic edge without the elevated price tag.

B (22:50)

What makes quints different? They partner directly with ethical factories and skip the middlemen. So you get top tier fabrics and craftsmanship at half the price of similar brands.

A (22:59)

You know, beyond the fall staples in my wardrobe, I have been loving the quince candles. Yes, candles. Very, very reasonably priced candles that smell. Elevated cookware, bedding, towels and my new dopp kit.

B (23:14)

Sometimes I just whip out my Mongolian cashmere sweater from Quince and I sit by my quince candle and I won't tell you what happens next, but it's very spiritual. Keep it classic and cool this fall with long lasting staples from quince. Go to quince.com culturistas for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns.

A (23:34)

That's Q U I N C E.com culturistas free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com culturistas fine.

B (23:44)

I'll tell you, it's prayer. Have you watched South Park?

A (23:51)

I watched the first episode this season, but not the recent ones.

B (23:53)

In this last episode, it's one of the fathers, like the lead of the show. That's the father with the mustache. Stan.

A (23:58)

Dad.

B (23:58)

Yeah, yeah, Stan's dad. They get addicted to ketamine and because he becomes like a tech, he becomes like a tech, like impresario. Because what happens is he's got a weed farm and then ice shows up and arrests everyone that works at the weed farm. So then he, he makes his weed form more of like a front facing, like, you know, like tech center for. And he gets the kind of meat. I really, I finally caught up on south park and I was like, wow, they really do. Like, they find a way for it to be like completely. They still tell an incredible story at the end of it. Like the emotions that are. Yes.

A (24:37)

Oh yeah.

B (24:37)

By the end of all those Episodes, you're like, oh, my heart is broken. And I think I had forgotten that about how effective south park is. I just thought, oh, they're railing against Trump. They're ripping Trump a new asshole. They're saying he is a small dick, whatever, and fucks the devil, which is all in there. But then south park is so much more than that. It tells really simple, heartbreaking stories about what it would feel like to lose people in that way to, you know, it's just every episode has been outstanding.

A (25:09)

I think my main takeaway from that first episode with, you know, Trump fucking Satan is not even the Trump stuff. It is Cartman's response to, like, being horribly offensive and bigoted about, like, that. About that taking something away from him in terms of the way he stands out and feels special and feels individualized in the world. Because if everyone's saying the arsler and, like, everyone's saying faggot, it's like, well, what does that make him? You know? That's a profound thing. And this is a character that we've been with for 20 plus years, for, like, 25 years now. Yeah, no, it's an incredible show. There's never been any doubt about that. I've. I've been, you know, whatever we. I think you and I have both kind of, like, at different times, just checked in with South Park. Like, it's. It's. I don't know. There was a time when Billy and I, Billy Domino, my old roommate, our dear friend and I would watch south park as it was airing, like, right after college and, like, Cartman, like, ingesting Vagisil, like, in order to get ahead in, like, women's sports. Like, it's. It's all. It's all really profound, sublime story and comedy, obviously.

B (26:17)

Well, a lot of. A lot of Cartman's, like, storyline line now is, like, people that are, like, capitalizing on hateful rhetoric. That. That being his thing, him being really, really, really, like, aggravated that, like, people are able to, like, you know, grandstand and say this, like, like, horrid, horrible, wretched stuff. Because he's like, that's my thing. And it's like, it's sort of a race to be the spokesperson that says the nasty, gnarly stuff. Which you're right. When that becomes a rat race and everyone is doing it, it loses. It just becomes, you know, blanket awful and loses its individual power, which is crazy.

A (26:57)

It is crazy. But for, like, Trey Parker and Matt Stone to, like, be able to kind of, like, wink and say, like, I mean, we were doing. We've been doing this forever. We have never backed. Like, this has been, like, a strand or strain, whatever, in the show for as long as it's been around. And for us to say, like, this is fucked up. It's crazy that everyone feels like it's okay to say these words again, but we've been saying it this whole time. But also, we're gonna. If that's the case, then we're gonna say it. We're gonna have every single character say this on the show. Like, it's. I don't know. There's something really, in terms of, like, a media sort of, like, story. Like, it's pretty incredible. I don't know. I'm not saying anything. I'm not adding anything to the conversation.

B (27:34)

No, I think it's all a comment. It's all a comment.

A (27:37)

Yeah.

B (27:37)

It's interesting, though, like, just speaking of, like, people being called certain things and having a reaction. You can tell in this article. Just to return to this for a second, Stephen's sort of referring to people who aren't engaging in this type of drug behavior and wearing, like, black mesh shorts and a white tank and a gold chain and, like, going to these certain things. Referring to anyone who's not like that, which he kind of does as like, a Buddha judge is also meant to poke at people because it's like. It's like, what exactly are you saying when you call someone a Buddha judge? You're like, like. And this is. This has nothing to do with what Pete Buddha judge is actually like, because we don't really know him. But there's this idea that in order to get under people's skins reading it, which I think made people in column one, which I was saying earlier, like, feeling like they're doing gay wrong. Like, if you're reading this and. And get the sense that you're Buddha judge, you're kind of like, oh, am I basic? Like, am I? Am I sexless? Am I? Yeah, boring. Am I? And it's. It. It is a way to, like, flick the FOMO of people reading this, which causes, you know, obviously a panic and an anxiety towards other people. Like, and I. I don't know, it's just. Which I don't think he needed to do necessarily. But, like, I think was effective in getting people to discuss this because that's almost like, the worst thing you could walk away feeling is, like, uncool for a lot of people. That's might be where I fall. I had a little bit of panic reading this, like, because it is a little bit different now when we go in these spaces. Sure, sure. We can't really show up and be acting up. No. Like, it's like, even if we're with people that are super duper duper up, I feel like a self consciousness, you know, it's. It's just I. I feel like I missed out on something or like, like, you read this kind of debauchery. Read this kind of like, like, like it's been a year since I've been in the dark room. I think I went in dark room once at Pegasus and like years ago in la after we shot Fire island, because I thought I looked good and you know what I mean? Like, I, whatever that shoot had, like, messed with me a little bit. So I went and like, went off in the dark room and I had fun. And now it feels like that would be harder to do so for lots of reasons. And so that was like, it made me read it and be like, oh, man. Like this, this, this culture, this like, bacchanal type vibe. Like, maybe there is something to it that I'm not a part of. And it did. It hit on something in. In me.

A (30:05)

Was the bacchanal episode of looking also something that really made you look inward?

B (30:10)

I don't really think about looking anymore. Maybe I should. Maybe. Maybe it would be a good. Maybe that would be a good time. Like, it might be a good rewatch.

A (30:18)

Looking is a great rewatch.

B (30:20)

I. I started it. Did you do it?

A (30:21)

I've not finished it, but I, I did it about like six months ago and I was like, great show. Like, again, like, this is not. This is not the gay life that I live, but interesting little anthropological study and, and in terms of like, Steven using or coining this Buddha judge thing.

B (30:40)

Like, because you felt that way too, right?

A (30:43)

Sure, sure. But I'm not like. And like there is something that agitates in that sense that, like, I think on purpose is. Sure. And so. But this is also a thing where, like, these distinctions and this kind of like these separations have existed in the community for like, it's already. It's already there. He's just kind of labeling this phenomenon that's already happening that's happened since the beginning of like, gay tribalism and like this, like the 70s, like, like, I, I do wonder, like, what life like, right. Like, as like the man society started or whatever. Like the time when, like, queer people were really together, it seemed. Or. No, that's not even true because when we were Marsha's biography Written by Tourmaline. It's like Marsha P. Johnson's biography. It's like, oh, no, I guess back then there's still this like class divides and racial divides in the gay community. So I'm like, I was just, I was about to like wax fictional nostalgic on like, oh, there must have been a time when like we were all on the same level and No, I mean that's just, that's just the human condition. It's like we can't ever totally congeal and coalesce. It's like these ways of like differentiating ourselves from each other are just gonna exist no matter what. But like, I don't know, I think I'm. I'm really cheesy and mushy lately where I'm like, other people are all we've got. Not to be all fleabag, but it's like communities like the ale to like the nihilism that we feel these days. It's like other people are all we've got, period.

B (32:08)

Yeah, 100. And I guess in terms of this idea that maybe there was a time when the queer community was more whole and could, you know, directly collaborate with each other, I think we can. But it is through discourse like this, it's less like we all can acknowledge that there's a problem and we're all going to move to fix it in a certain way. I think the way that, and why I think this piece is net good, the way that we stay connected to each other and understand each other is by communicating. And so in that way, I think the, the piece is a big win because we're talking about this thing that we can all agree exists. And I think when people can start getting real about the way not only the article makes them feel, because the article is a symptom of, of what's going on in the culture. But actually asking yourself how you feel about this type of thing and why it makes you feel that way, maybe that's like an over therapized way of going about it. No, no, lately I'm in, in my efforts to become a better communicator, which I'm actively trying to do this year. I'm always thinking like, okay, if I feel angry about something, it probably means I feel like threatened, sad, like, like there's, there's another emotion here. And so some of the angrier responses I saw, one of which was like, I didn't even understand one word of what this said. It's like you did, you did understand what it was like and so instead of dismissing it and acting like it's something, like, how does it make you feel? And that's. There's something useful in that.

A (33:49)

I absolutely agree. Sorry, I'm laneiging on my lips. But anyway, give it a read. Have we reached peak Gay Sluttiness by Stephen Phillips Horst.

B (34:01)

How did Man's Best Friend by Serena Carpenter make you feel?

A (34:04)

It made me feel again, like, ambiently interesting. Like, I just put on the Blood Orange album. This is. This is my general take with just music right now.

B (34:17)

Yeah.

A (34:17)

Where are the hooks? I know who can save us. Demetria Devon Lovato.

B (34:23)

We know she's gonna come save us. No, honestly, I do agree with you. Like, when I was listening to the album and I love Sabrina and this. And this is. This is a Sabrina House. I love Man Child. I love the Man Child video. Was super excited for this album, and I enjoy the album.

A (34:42)

I think it's a great album.

B (34:43)

It felt to me like the creation of this was something different than the creation of short and sweet. Like, short. Okay. Feels to me engineered for pop domination like that to me feels like we created an album all bangers. Like, you know, there was something about Espresso that announced her and then Please, please, please coming. And it was just. To me, that album was. Had the goal of making her the pop superstar that she is.

A (35:19)

And then I did.

B (35:20)

Yeah, absolutely. And then I feel Man's Best Friend coming so soon on the heels of it did surprise me. But I think that she is similar to Taylor Swift and that she comes from a school of thought which is feed your audience, and she's got a hungry audience. And she was able to keep creating. And so she did. And she made what I feel is a very, like, sonically cohesive piece of work with, you know, only a few people. She said that it felt like they were writing it as a band. I almost feel like it would have been cool for her to do, like, Sabrina Carpenter and the Blank Blank Blanks and release it as an album, like, as a band, because it does feel like it was made, like, in. In a different capsule. In, like a capsule in, like, a different way. And so when I'm listening to it, I don't hear a lot of hits, but I do hear something that. That feels like a sonic step forward and a vocal step forward. Lyrically, I think maybe I'm interested to see the next thing she wants to say, but I enjoy the album.

A (36:28)

I think releasing this so soon after Short and Sweet, and even Short and Sweet had, like, A re up with the extended version of it. I think this is just part of the play where she is adding another dimension to her as an artist. Because I think because this, like, ascent to pop superstardom was so quickly achieved even before Short and sweet came out, it was. It was done like espresso, like catapult.

B (37:00)

Yeah.

A (37:01)

I think man's best friend, I think, is just like adding another, like I said, dimension to this, to the way, like, the public sees Sabrina Carpenter, which is just like, okay, like. Like really complex songwriter, not always chasing the hook. And when I was saying, where are the hooks? Earlier, I'm just saying, like, that's. This is what I miss currently. I feel like we've been in a desert of hooks. But I think I agree with you. I think it's a great album. I think I. My favorite right now is don't worry, I'll make you worry because it sounds like this Father John Misty song. I think she's doing the thing that she was even doing in Short and Sweet, where it's like, let me put on different genre hats, inspiration, influence hats. And I think.

B (37:40)

I think.

A (37:40)

I don't think she was setting out to do a Short and Sweet follow up in the sense of like, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop pop.

B (37:46)

Yeah. No, I think what, like, the positive reaction to Coincidence on the first album seemed to open a door here for her. Because I remember she said Coincidence almost didn't make the first album. And then I think she said her mom liked it a lot and really fought for it. And she had people on her team that were, like, fans of it. And so it made it and then became such a fan favorite that I think it's like a super exciting direction for her to go. And also, Slim Pickens seems to be an impulse that she was following, which is this sort of like 70s sort of pop Dolly Parton with a little ABBA throne in there. Very retro. I think my favorite track is track five. We almost broke up again last night. Like, I just love her melody on this song. And I do think her singing is the best it's ever been. I also like nobody's son and never getting laid. There's like, moments in this where I'm like, really blown away by what. What she's done. And then there's moments where I'm like, okay, this feels just a little bit redundant from the first album. And usually those moments are when we're making sex jokes. That. That's usually when I feel like that.

A (38:56)

I. I keep going back and forth on the Innuendo, double entendre thing with her. Because at the end of the day, if you go back to the earliest comedy, like, earliest comedy, like Aristophany, like Greek old comedy, 5 BC. They were just making sex jokes. It's like, this is just a time. Like, there's no. There's no such thing as, like, oh. Like, we're culturally derelict if we're. All we're doing is, like, you know, innuendo. It's like, that's not. I. I need to, like. I think people should also maybe, I don't know, like, figure that out. Is this another article about PK Sluttiness? It's like, what. Like, what is this? I don't know. Sex makes us feel very specific, complicated things. And I think this is just a Rorschach test. I'm gonna say Sabrina Carpenter making little. Little jokes about, like, tears Stream down my Thighs is a Rorschach test. It's an inkblot.

B (39:50)

I guess that's my thing, too, is I'm, like, the intense reaction towards it this time, which does. And by the way, like, it's crazy how quickly people can react to music. I thought this about tortured poets. I'm like, wow, people are really sure they don't like this.

A (40:06)

And it just immediately happened before it even came out on TikTok, when it, like, kind of leaked, like, an hour before. Like, the. The response from Stan accounts, like, Sabrina. Stan accounts were like, we don't like it. It's like, well, wait a minute. This is your girl. And also, give it a. Give it a day or two. Yeah.

B (40:23)

You haven't listened to it. It probably. I mean, I even see it because we know some of these people who react quickly and they'll listen to 30 seconds of a song and be like, right, it's the flop era. And I'm like, you have to stop. Like. And so I do think that a lot of that is, like, unfairly informing a lot of people's reactions and also the way they feel defensive about it. Like, this is a great album. It really is. Like, I don't think that. That Sabrina and company, particularly this company, are capable of, like, bad work. I will say I do understand the reaction to some of the innuendos because I just don't think a lot of the innuendo here is as effective as. As it was on the first album. Like, I'm. I'm gonna let you make me. Juno is one thing. It's. It makes. It makes me laugh. It makes me think. I mean, it Surprises me. Whereas Tears Run Down My Thighs is just a little bit more of a reach, you know? So I also think it's like people reacted to that element of her album in a really enthusiastic, positive way the first time. Because it's possible that just, you know, maybe Tears run down my thighs, it doesn't work as well as. As the other one.

A (41:41)

I'm not saying Tears Run down my thighs doesn't work. I'm saying maybe the response to this is as we can relate to, like, this theory of the abject, like, revulsion to, like, don't talk about liquids and holes.

B (41:53)

Absolutely.

A (41:53)

I think that's what it. I think that is maybe what it also comes down to. It's like, okay, people don't want to hear about butt sex when gay men allude to it.

B (42:01)

Got it.

A (42:01)

And I guess people don't want to hear about juice or come or whatever.

B (42:04)

You know, like, yeah, for me, I can't get enough of quality juice talk. I just love this stuff. I don't think either of us are shy at all. When she gets super vulgar or, you know, she's making, like, these types of jokes, I think it's funny. People are allowed to think. Of course, the quality of this one just doesn't match the first one. That can be their opinion. For me, tears, it might just be lean a little too hard on the. The irony.

A (42:36)

Sure. In terms of the quality, though, and, like, whether or not people are allowed to think that. Yes, I agree. I think also, and I. Someone on TikTok, and this is not me making the comparison. Someone on TikTok was making a comparison between man's best friend and tortured poets about how these are albums that didn't need to necessarily be good because they are, as you said earlier, feeding the audience. Right. And she was contrasting that with Conan Gray's album and with Audrey Hobert's album, where this is. These are two songwriters who. I think Conan wrote 300 songs for the album, and it got pared down to 12. And I think Audrey no doubt wrote some crazy. She's a songwriter.

B (43:17)

Thirst Trap is the moment of that album for me.

A (43:19)

Okay. Are you. Have you finally gotten down?

B (43:22)

I think it's amazing. And it's just like, I'm also. So I'm realizing now more and more she is, like, a pioneer of a certain, like, style and songwriting. And I. I'm super happy that she put out a solo record because she should get to be a part of this discussion.

A (43:41)

That caliber of songwriter and singer and performer and pop star. Her videos are really good, I think. Like, we're not. We're not talking enough about, like, talk about a cohesive vocabulary. Visually, like, the clown is so. Is so great. The clown being everywhere. Who's the clown? Like, you're like, I'm the clown. I guess. Like, all. All of these songs on this album are about her speaking and externalizing these thoughts that we all have but can never really put to words, much less to music. The way that she talks about, like, this feeling of, should I go to the party? Oh, I'm at the party, and I don't really like it, but what if I did something like, you know, like. Or, like, the uber ride home from the party, or, like, the feeling of, like, bumping into your. Like, it's all these specific yet somewhat universal things that, like, I don't know. She does what all great songwriters and writers do, which is just to, like, capture it and, like, let the muse kind of move through her. But it thematically, it's all so sharp and, like, I think this person on Tick Tock was making the distinction between those albums and an album like Man's Best Friend and Tortured Poets. Again, their comparison, not mine, where it's like, it gets to be they have earned the privilege after the imperial phase. I guess you could say the same for artpop, maybe, where it's like, you get to, you know, an artist like that wants to be a little chaotic and a little. A little, like, just frayed a little bit. Like, I'm just throwing everything against the wall, and it doesn't really matter if it sticks or not, because guess what? This is. This is just. I've done the thing where I've put out all killer, no filler.

B (45:18)

Yeah. I think that's a little bit what it is. And. Or at least I think. And it would make sense to me. Like, Sabrina earned an album where it feels like you put it on front to back, and it feels like it had the goal of, like, moving her forward musically, really indulging in this genre also. Did you see. Do you think it was a response to that idea when Taylor said on the New Heights podcast my goals with Tortured Poets were strictly lyrical.

A (45:47)

Oh, I don't know. Like, do you think, like, she's. That's her way of.

B (45:51)

First of all, I think Tortured Poets is what I said it was, which was a fantastic album at the beginning. I do think people reacted to it quickly. I do think that. And you're now. You're now seeing people come around to it. Like. I mean. Yeah. And so. And by the way, like, we've done this. Like, we. We do this a lot. But I'm trying to be a little bit more patient in my first listens and not listen to the chorus of people 30 seconds into Fortnite being like, this is a flop. It's like, it's just not. It's just not that kind of song that's maybe going to hit for you right away. And I do think we could have more patience when we first hear this stuff, but I don't know. It was just interesting to me that she went out of her way in teeing up the life of a showgirl to be like, my goals with Tortured Poets were lyrical. Whereas this album is 12 tracks. You're not getting anymore. It is 12 bangers. And she literally goes, it's like that. You know, she listed her songs that she's done with Max Martin. It. It made tears run down my thighs. Oh. And I basically was like, yeah, this is gonna be a bang fest. Whereas Tortured Poets. She seems to call out her own indulgence in the songwriting, which I. I don't know if it's like, she's not.

A (47:07)

Calling out her indulgence. She's just making the distinction that songwriters have where either I'm gonna focus it purely on the melodies and the hooks or. And not that, like, these two things can't coincide, or I get to. As a songwriter, as someone who's put out great work, I get to have. I get to write 31 songs that.

B (47:25)

Are meandering, and I don't even. That. And. Exactly. And I don't even say indulgence in a negative way. I guess I'm just saying, like, she's like. She's calling out. There were 31 songs on that project. She's like, I had a lot to say. I was feeling a lot because of a situation where I was, you know, very aggressively love bombed. And, you know, at a time when I was already feeling a lot, I had to get out what I wanted to say. And so my goals were that album, which I feel I achieved were lyrical because, as you know, there were a lot of lyrics. Whereas this. She seems to contrast the brevity. And I don't think it's dissimilar to Sabrina, who I think was like. Like, yeah, I was this pop hit girl on Short and Sweet, and I proved that. And now here's me and my, like, cool project that I did in a short period of time because I felt like I was on a roll.

A (48:19)

It's classic thing. One for you one for them. And guess what? On the tortured poets note, guess what? I'm still waking up humming to myself. The Alchemist.

B (48:31)

I love the Alchemist.

A (48:33)

People still sleep on the Alchemist, I'm telling you.

B (48:35)

So don't be around me when I look through people's windows. Comes on. Don't be around me. Don't be around me. It's not safe. I'll be looking through people's windows.

A (48:46)

You be looking and you know it. Wait, you know and you know. You know you just occurred to me what? To go back to the Alchemist. First of all, great hook on. So when I touch down, call the amateurs and cut them from the team. But then these blokes warm the benches. We've been on a winning street. She jokes that it's heroin. But then calling them blokes. Oh, my God. She. She just cleared. She just cleared all of these British boys.

B (49:13)

She cleared all of them.

A (49:16)

All of them.

B (49:16)

And Australia too. You're not safe as well.

A (49:19)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, everyone. We know many of you probably have a watch list with all the streaming shows you want to see. Well, if you haven't seen Platonic on Apple tv, plus, you need to add it to yours. Hilarious. Seth Rogen and Rose Byrne play a pair of platonic besties like Matt and I who are as likely to cause trouble for each other as they are to support each other.

B (49:41)

If you have seen it, you already know that, but you might not know that. Season two of Platonic is out now.

A (49:47)

This season, Rogan and Byrne deal with uncomfortably hilarious midlife hurdles, including new business ventures, weddings, and partners in crises. And as best friends do, they try to help each other, but sometimes just make things worse. These two are just so funny together.

B (50:04)

Love them. Luke McFarlane and Carla Gallo are so back this season alongside new guest stars, including some seriously funny SNL alums. AD Bryant, Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennett, and the fabulous Milo Manheim.

A (50:18)

If you haven't seen season one, catch up immediately. And if you have, second season of Platonic is now streaming on Apple tv. Don't miss it.

B (50:25)

I don't think so, honey. Heat damage K18 heat bounce conditioning. Heat protectant delivers de deeper heat protection than ever before.

A (50:32)

This is a girl with everything going for her. She detangles and fortifies hair from the inside out. So whether you're getting a bouncy blowout or diffusing to get some big pop princess curls, she's the one.

B (50:43)

Mmm. You'll get up to 85% less breakage after blow drying and smooth shiny, vibrant hair every time. And here's the real gag. The more you use it, the stronger your hair gets.

A (50:53)

So go ahead, turn on the heat, shop Heat Bounce at Sephora or use code kulturistas for 10% off your first order at k18hair.com k18 that's called culturistas@k18hair.com. You know, a good wedding is like an amazing symphony. From the food to the music to the fashion, honey to the style.

B (51:16)

Oh, when it all comes together, all these things, you can expect love to grow. And that's good because the wedding should all be about that. Creating an atmosphere and an environment where love can. What's the word? Flourish.

A (51:28)

Flourish. You know, a wedding is all about achieving the vision. And with Zola, you can plan your entire wedding in one convenient place. From the day you get engaged and search for the venue. The day you send out your save the dates, make your registry, and even taste your cake, Zola has literally everything you need to make the whole process super easy.

B (51:48)

The first and only stop you need to make on your wedding planning journey is Zola. They've thought of everything you'll need and have built every tool to get you to I do.

A (51:57)

Zola will give you expert guidance and unparalleled support. Their wedding pros are on call to walk couples from question to answer anytime.

B (52:03)

Every Zola wedding is as unique as the couple planning it.

A (52:06)

Start planning@zola.com that's zola.com youm know what doesn't belong in your epic summer plans? Getting burned by your old wireless bill. While you're planning beach trips, BBQs and three day weekends, your wireless bill should be the last thing holding you back.

B (52:20)

With Mint, you can get the coverage and speed you're used to, but for way less money and for a limited time, Mint mobile is offering three months of unlimited premium wireless service for 15 bucks a month. So while your friends are sweating over data, overages and surprise charges, you'll be chilling. Literally and financially.

A (52:38)

Say bye bye to your overpriced wireless plans. Jaw dropping monthly bills and unexpected overages, Mint Mobile is here to rescue you.

B (52:45)

All plans come with high speed data and unlimited talk and text delivered on the nation's largest 5G network.

A (52:51)

Use your own phone with any Mint Mobile plan and bring your phone number along with all your existing contacts.

B (52:56)

Ditch overpriced Wireless and get three months of unlimited service from Mint Mobile for.

A (53:01)

15 bucks a month this year. Skip breaking a sweat and breaking the bank bank get this new customer offer and your three month unlimited wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month at mintmobile.com coldturistas that's mintmobile.com coldturistas upfront payment.

B (53:14)

Of $45 required equivalent to $15 a month limited time. New customer offer for first three months only. Speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Taxes and fees extra. See Mint Mobile for details. Speaking of Australia, are you talking about Survivor babe? When I saw the gameplay last night. Wait, what?

A (53:37)

I hear the gameplay is great. I have not watched this season.

B (53:39)

I'm gonna send you away. You can watch it.

A (53:42)

Okay.

B (53:43)

What people are not understanding right now is that you, if you want, you can fully watch Parvati and siree on Survivor on a new season that you've never seen and it is just as good as you want. It is, is wish fulfillment. Peak imperial phase Survivor. This is so for the fans and it's extra good if you did watch the Australian Survivor, which is phenomenal. I hate to say it. They're just, they're producing a much better show than they do here in America. Much better.

A (54:19)

Less. I hear. Less advantages. Less.

B (54:22)

Way less.

A (54:23)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just Idols and, and that's it, basically.

B (54:26)

First of all, can I say, say two tribes, seven on each tribe. So you're kind of immediately getting into it. Way less advantages. Certainly there's idols there. There are an advantage here and there. But you don't have to like. Oh, you don't have to like. It's not an arduous mental process to watch the show and you really care because this social gameplay is forefront.

A (54:52)

Yeah.

B (54:53)

And this is the way you do an All Star season. You don't overwhelm from the top.

A (54:58)

You.

B (54:59)

I don't. It's just, it's also the episodes are a little, the thing is they're not longer, though. They just feel longer but in a good way. Like, it just feels. You're just, I don't know, you're just able to marinate into more and the challenges don't feel as repetitive like you recognize them. But I don't know, it just feels like we're, we're too by the numbers in American Survivor right now and too careful.

A (55:24)

Well, there's just more numbers on survived every season. There's a. They just keep adding more numbers. Maybe in terms of the, shall I say, gimmicks of the show when it does become perfect word you used arduous to watch Now. I really enjoyed the last season, by the way.

B (55:40)

I always have fun. I, I. Because I always have fun. It can be arduous. Because if I'm gonna watch a show that's arduous, like, that can be the one. I like it. It's just.

A (55:49)

Yes.

B (55:49)

You know, it's borderline.

A (55:51)

Right. You're describing this, and it sounds so refreshing. I must watch the fact that Parvati Shallow and Siri Fields are on TV together at the same time. Together is world news. And why are we not talking about this?

B (56:05)

And I also have to say, what's extra? Like, I. I don't think jarring is the word. It's more just. It's surreal. They look. Look the same. Oh, they look the same as they did in Micronesia. I'm like, neither of them have aged, and they're also competing at the challenges at a really high level. Beasts. Yes. They're so good at it. The mix of characters is great. It's shaping up to be. And I'm not alone in this. Like, a lot of people in the die hard, like, international Survivor community are watching this and feeling really excited because suffice it to say, without. Without spoiling, you're not facing the problem that you face with, like, winners at war or other All Star seasons where the obvious targets are out first. That is happening. But in a season where everyone is clearly an obvious target, it kind of falls away. And I'm just happy. Last night, it felt like. Like, it felt like the pandemic again, because I'm sitting on this couch in.

A (57:16)

LA eating like, I ain't leaving.

B (57:18)

Oh, I am a lump. I ordered Postmates three times. You know how high I was, like, watching Parvy and siree, like, negotiate what the next move. Like, I'm like, is it 2020?

A (57:35)

What an amazing feeling to be transported for a new thing to transport you in time. Like entertainment marketers. Take note. This is the feeling you that can accomplish. This is the thing that can accomplish that feeling. Rather than like a reboot of something it's like. Which is. I guess we're saying, like, a reboot. Like, bringing two alums back to Survivor in a different setting is kind of a reboot. But, like, this is all you need.

B (58:00)

I've got to tell you, Parvati is fascinating. Like when we met Parvi, like, all those years ago because we turned on the channel and she turned, by the way, you see that become a meme. Like her turning around on the boat, like, at the very first time she was ever on Survivor and she was asked about it, she was like, of course I knew I was on tv and I was gonna give that look, like of course. But when we met her as, like, you know, when she was on this podcast.

A (58:26)

Yes. Yes.

B (58:27)

It almost felt like a different total vibe of person now to see her, like, restored in, like, a mature way to, like, who. Who she was back then, it was thrilling.

A (58:37)

Well, can we say. So something happened, quote, unquote, between her being on Las Culturistas, where she acknowledged to us that we were. And I'm gonna give a lot of credit to you that we were the people to bring her back into gay culture. But I'm giving. I'm giving.

B (58:53)

You know, that.

A (58:55)

And I'm. But I'm saying something happened between that episode and when she came and shot this promo for the Culture Awards for us last year.

B (59:02)

Yep.

A (59:02)

Where we did a whole Traders tribute.

B (59:04)

Cute.

A (59:04)

And she showed up, and that was the first time I had met her in person. And I turned to you and I was like, oh, my God, I get it. Like, I get you do. I get why she is who she is and why she's so iconic. She just has that, like, oh, my God, like, what's your. Like, I'm obsessed with you.

B (59:21)

Which makes.

A (59:21)

You mutually obsessed with her. You're like, wait, I need her. It's like, it's not a red flag in terms of, like. And again, I'm not saying it's this. It's not like a narcissistic behavior. It's like a thing where it's like, someone who's just pleasantly magnetic. Like, that's all it is. And then she and I went to Roscoe's in LA the night of the Culture Awards airing, and surprise, and, like, we got to hang out. And I'm just like, her vibe is perfection.

B (59:43)

She's great.

A (59:44)

She's a good hang. She was there with, like, one girl from Dealer, no Deal island, and, oh, fun. Like, just. Just, like. Just, like, just a fun group of, like, hot lesbians. Like, just all there and just. We were all having a blast. And I was like, parvati shallow again. And not for nothing. Not that, like, whatever. Not to reinforce this, but it's just crazy that she does not look different from 20 years ago.

B (60:07)

She does not. She does not. And also, you see it happening. You, like, what's so great about the show is even, like, her and siree truly rarefied air, because even these people on the show that have, like, earned their spot on this international edition of Survivor, they are so gagged for Surrey and Parv. And you can see people who otherwise are playing good strategic games unencumbered and, you know, Untethered to other people. The second Siri and Parv come in, they're like, well, obviously, I want to play with Siri and Parv, so I'm going to do what they want to do. And I'm just like, you are giving away the agency immediately.

A (60:58)

They don't have to. They don't have to do anything.

B (61:00)

Nope. It's like years ago, when Boston Rob won the show. Boston Rob won the show. It was like. I think it was called Redemption island or something. Or whatever. Something. It was like season 20ish, 24, 23, whatever. He came back and the way he was brought in and the way he.

A (61:19)

Yeah.

B (61:20)

Just has this sort of gilded energy. They just rolled over and he won, and he won very handily.

A (61:31)

It is not unlike the thing. Even someone like Dylan Efron, who. That's someone who walks into a room and people are like, I'll do whatever that person wants.

B (61:40)

Literally for Dylan, some people have Gabby.

A (61:43)

But for Dylan to feel that way about Boston Rob on Traders was also like that. That tells you everything you need to know about Boston Rob. And I think was culture words the night that Dylan and Parvati were in the same space for the first time.

B (61:55)

Obviously. No. Were they. Was that. I don't know if I'm sure they met before, but certainly. Certainly there were a lot of people in that room where I was like, okay, if we. If we get. If we got Andy in a camera right now, we can make something happen.

A (62:09)

Look, not. Not. Not.

B (62:10)

Not to.

A (62:10)

Not to jerk ourselves off, but I'm still over here like a month later being like, I can't believe that happened, that we did that. And thank you to everyone who came and everyone who watched, period. Okay, let's. Let's go. Moving on.

B (62:22)

Okay, moving on.

A (62:23)

We attended the May Tony for Lady Gaga. Now let her cut the line. Not know, you know. You know, she's getting it eventually. Like, that was. I don't even mind the fact that it was like, okay, this is basically no whatever. No, that's the beauty of it. The fact that she turned shallow into an Andrew Lloyd Webber song just even in the arrangement and obviously in, like, the staging of it with where she's on, like, the. The gondola, the canoe, like, incredible.

B (62:53)

I mean, we're already going again. Already. We had. I had seen the Art of personal chaos twice at Coachella and from two different vantage points going again, the improvements that she made. It really feels like she sat down and she was like, okay, how can we even further clarify this story and what I'm trying to say. And she still was able to do some fan service with the songs that she brought in. I mean, justice for art pop, obviously.

A (63:20)

Obviously.

B (63:21)

Maybe one of my favorite moments is now. Applause even moving. How bad do youo Want me to the encore. That felt right. Like, all the change that she made from the original feels like it clarified what she was trying to say as a performer. I don't know if the changes that she made made it easier for her or more difficult for her as a performer, but I think it didn't matter because all she wanted to do do was find a way to tell this story. She's telling better this opera. And she did that. And just the way that she needn't had changed anything. No.

A (63:58)

And yet still wanted it to be better.

B (64:00)

Made this even better. Made it even better.

A (64:03)

How bad do you want me Rolling as the end credits, really good for a show that is about, like, the. Her own duality, her interior sort of, like, struggle, like, between, like, the mayhem in her mind, like, this chaos that she's been sort of. I don't know, like, maybe she's like, held her whole life, but now is finally, like, reckoning with, like, that versus the person that she is on the surface or to the public. This is something, I think, that is extremely relatable to everyone. Like, it makes you think about your own, let's say, mayhem. And then for her to, like, triumphantly do a victory lap to a song that still puts it to the audience or to a second person. Like, how bad do you want me? Not. Not, like, how badly do you want me, but how bad? How about how, like, how bad? How edgy, evil, whatever do you want me to be?

B (64:55)

That's such a fun play.

A (64:57)

She. She was supposed to, like. I mean, like, by the end of the show, not to spoil it, but, like, you know, these two things are reconciled in her. Right. And, like, they love each other. Like, the mayhem and like and herself are like, one.

B (65:08)

They're loud. My favorite part.

A (65:11)

We are monsters, and monsters never die.

B (65:16)

Iconic. She's my favorite girl.

A (65:21)

Yeah.

B (65:22)

100%.

A (65:22)

I love her.

B (65:23)

I would do anything for her. I know, honey.

A (65:26)

I love her so much.

B (65:28)

I know. Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga forever.

A (65:34)

She inspires me to this day. I wrote down things in my notes. I was like, okay, I want to do something at some point in my career where this happens. Where this happens. Where this happens. Look at how she's still implanting ideas and concepts into everyone's minds here, both in the room at Madison Square or across the world. Everyone's watching. I mean, this is. This is one of the best concerts I've ever been to, period. I'm sorry.

B (65:59)

Sorry. Without question. Top.

A (66:03)

Top three, top two, maybe number one.

B (66:05)

Without question. I mean, and so it's. It's. We've been so spoiled by the live experiences lately. Yes, and they're incomparable. But that being said, this is the pop music moment of the year. Like mayhem, etc. All of it 1,000%. You know, the Grammys voting window, not voting window, eligibility window just closed, in fact, two days ago. So August 30th was the last day. And looking at everything, it, you know, I don't think it's going to be as competitive and exciting a year as last year when you look at, like, the pop acts. But that doesn't matter, because even in a crowded year, Mayhem would stand out. This is a fully committed to no holds barred, look back and look forward for her. You know, it's brought everything that has made her special and put it into one show. It is the theatrics, it is the daring, it is the sheer excellence on stage when it comes to performance and execution. It is a nod to what an icon she is and what a hero she remains. Yes, it is. It is her in conversation with herself. The themes have remained not, you know, exclusively consistent, but, you know, enough to call them themes in her career. The, obviously, the darkness and the light, the dance as salvation, you know, it is all so beautifully realized, performed, executed, bus, another club, etc.

A (67:48)

Yes. Period. Beautifully said. And guess what? If the category is dance or die, and if monsters never die, I guess there's only one choice, isn't there?

B (67:59)

You have to dance. What you've been saying. What you've been saying. I just. Yes. She. She. She just.

A (68:09)

She. I say this literally. She rules.

B (68:13)

She rules.

A (68:13)

She rules.

B (68:14)

She does rule.

A (68:15)

She rules me. She rules. I'm gonna say she rules the culture. This is. Is. We needed this. We needed this.

B (68:23)

Can you imagine if this. If this year had been without the Mayhem era? Can you imagine? It would have really felt different. And also, you know, I. What I almost did. So Christmas is coming. I'm not doing this, so I feel like I can announce. I almost did the Christmas Ball, and I almost did it, like, in a. In a Mayhem style. I'm doing something else else, because I was like, no, I can't fully do that, because I heard.

A (68:49)

I heard about the concept, and I like it.

B (68:53)

I didn't want to do, but it was close because there's A part of me. And I feel like we did do this with the Cultural Awards, so I do feel like we've nodded to it enough. But there's a part of me. That's why I get Sabrina with her references and her passion for what inspires her, because there's a part of me that's just like, I want. And it's almost like in service to the artist. Just herself. It's like, you know that we're. We're this obsessed with you. Right? Like, but I feel like we've made it clear enough.

A (69:21)

She knows. She knows. I'm so excited for the tour.

B (69:26)

Well, I can't say much more yet, but, yeah, maybe. Maybe in a few weeks it'll start feeling a little chillier in here. Oh, we can. We can announce. We can announce more. Should we do. I don't think so. Honey, do you have any other things that you absolutely have to get off your chest or can we go quick?

A (69:44)

Things that I must address. Okay. Hey, great season in Miami. And skip this if you hate housewives. Great season in Miami. I do want to say publicly, Stephanie Sha, you are not for me. I kind of resent that you are center couch or center that you were sitting center that you have the Andy seat for the reunion. I don't think what you and Alexia have going on this season is that compelling. I think, like, for her to call you a chihuahua is not the same thing as you, like, dangling a around your private jet to girls. And you, you were more disrespectful to Alexia. We are a team Alexia house. We are also whatever team Larsa isn't on. Larsa commented on the little reel that watch what happens live posted of me. I don't think so. Hunting her, which I stand by, but she was like, whatever. She's just being a loser lame ass. She said she was like, I was watching Trump because I wanted to be in the know with the news. Also, I hate your shirt. I'm like, oh, you'll have to do better than that. That. So anyway, she's just. Okay, sure, Larsa.

B (70:48)

And then whatever. Okay, whatever.

A (70:51)

You.

B (70:51)

But I will say that center couch should have been Gertie and Julia.

A (70:55)

No, absolutely righty. And Julia 100. But also, I want to say that Potomac trailer. Fabulous trailer, by the way.

B (71:08)

Hey, you know who's out? Karen Huger. Karen Huger was actually released. Oh, wait, Early.

A (71:15)

Oh, I thought you meant out of. Out of the show.

B (71:17)

No, she was released early two hours ago.

A (71:20)

What?

B (71:21)

Yes, two hours ago she was released early. Karen Huger is out of prison.

A (71:26)

Okay.

B (71:27)

If you don't know, now, you know. Karen Huger committed several. She was driving under the influence. It got. Got bad. It got dark. She had a bad accident, and this was not her first infraction in that regard. And so she was sentenced to. I believe it was a year in prison with a year suspended license. She has served six months of that sentence and is now released, which we're thrilled for.

A (71:49)

Yes.

B (71:51)

Because, you know, obviously, you know, I. I don't play when it comes to no driving under the influence. But, you know Karen. Well, I think I was, like, watching some interviews, and the women were very concerned about how she would do in a sit in a setting like that. It's really sad. I'm happy that she's, you know, done her time and is free. And now hopefully we can get Karen back, because I need.

A (72:15)

I. I love to tell this story. We love Karen Huger, of course, and everyone in her family, but no. The Potomac season looks fabulous. Stacy Rush is finally, in her words. And still I rise.

B (72:28)

And still I rise. She looks like, like main antagonist.

A (72:32)

I love it, but I love it.

B (72:34)

No, please. And, like, Wendy looked amazing. Even Kjarna was giving something. And I. I tend to think Kieran never really gives right. But look at. She was giving in the trailer.

A (72:44)

Monique Samuels is back. My technical first Watch what Happens Lives on Zoom.

B (72:49)

You were. And I was with Candace.

A (72:52)

Oh, my God.

B (72:53)

Yeah.

A (72:54)

On Zoom.

B (72:55)

And I did. I did watch. My first Watch what Happens live was with Karen Hughes.

A (72:59)

That's right. Oh, my God.

B (73:00)

My first happens live with Karen. Then I did it again with Candace. You had done it with Monique. Bravo.

A (73:06)

Please, I beg you. Watch what Happens Live. Bookers. I would love to be booked with Stacy Rush on the show.

B (73:12)

Please, you have to. No, no. Bowen and Stacy. That has to happen. Oh, my God.

A (73:17)

I would be. I would be so happy. But also, you don't have to. I'm sure the calendar is full and no. Who knows what I have to promote.

B (73:24)

Listen, I. I got a Christmas tour. I'd love to come back, though I will say when I do go on Watch what Happens Live, I do find that the I don't think of my housewives opinions as being controversial. And then I like somehow that it gets interpreted that way or whatever. Like people think I have the worst opinions. I don't think I have bad opinions. I just. I'm not a Teresa fan. That's it. I'm entitled to that opinion.

A (73:51)

The Internet. We're not on this Internet.

B (73:53)

Internet.

A (73:53)

But the Internet. That certain. Whatever. Like the. The Bravo fans are a wide breadth of people, and you do get a lot of. A lot of interesting sunken souls.

B (74:10)

Sunken Souls is a really good way to put it. Like, what. What is so wrong about my opinions? I don't like Teresa and I don't like Giselle. Like, watch the shows.

A (74:19)

Watch the show.

B (74:19)

What shows are you watching?

A (74:21)

They're intolerable human beings first. It's like Clown Parade along with Stephanie Shojai. Sorry. Okay. I just had to bring that. Let's do. I don't think so, honey. Hey, everyone. We know many of you probably have a watch list with all the streaming shows you want to see. Well, if you haven't seen Platonic on Apple tv, you need to add it to yours now. It's hilarious. Seth Rogen and Rose Byrne play a pair of platonic besties like Matt and I who are as likely to cause trouble for each other as they are to. To support each other.

B (74:52)

If you have seen it, you already know that, but you might not know that. Season two of Platonic is out now.

A (74:58)

This season, Rogan and Byrne deal with uncomfortably hilarious midlife hurdles, including new business ventures, weddings, and partners in crises. And as best friends do, they try to help each other, but sometimes just make things worse. These two are just so funny together.

B (75:15)

Love them. Luke McFarlane and Carla Gallo are so back this season alongside new guest stars, including some seriously funny SNL alums, A.D. bryant, Kyle Mooney and Beck Bennett, and the fabulous Milo Manheim.

A (75:29)

If you haven't seen season one, catch up immediately. And if you have, second season of Platonic is now streaming on Apple tv. Don't miss it.

B (75:36)

I don't think so, honey. Heat damage K18 heat bounce conditioning heat protectant delivers deeper heat protection than ever before.

A (75:43)

This is a girl with everything going for her. She detangles and fortifies hair from the inside out. So whether you're getting a bouncy blowout or diffusing to get some big pop princess cur, she's the one.

B (75:54)

Mm. You'll get up to 85% less breakage after blow drying and smooth, shiny, vibrant hair every time. And here's the real gag. The more you use it, the stronger your hair gets.

A (76:03)

So go ahead, turn on the heat shop heat bounce at Sephora or use code kolturistas for 10% off your first order at k18hair.com k18hair.com that's called kolturistis@k18hair.com.

C (76:17)

What is it that makes the all new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid an incredible suv. Is it the spacious interior that's comfy for the whole crew or the capability to go off road? Maybe it's up to 600 plus miles of range. What if it's all of that and more? What is it then? The all new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. So much more than just another SUV. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details.

A (76:47)

JBL Tour Pro 3 earbuds are for those who are the first to try something unique.

B (76:51)

The first earbuds on the market with a touchscreen case which allows you to control your audio without reaching for your phone. They also have a touchscreen smart charging case for one touch control.

A (77:00)

I love being able to touch my buds and control the volume. Feels amazing on the skin.

B (77:06)

With a built in wireless transmitter that lets you plug and play with any device you want. The JBL Tour 3 connects you to all your favorite music, movies and games.

A (77:15)

The wireless transmitter also allows for JBL superior spatial sound that takes any audio and turns it into a 360 immersive experience.

B (77:22)

They've got a next gen smart charging case for a seamless listen experience. Leave your phone in your pocket. The smart charging case has all the features you need to fully control and customize your listening experience and the earbud settings in multiple languages right from the case.

A (77:36)

Use the bigger, clear 1.57-inch touchscreen to see what song is playing or who's calling you or personalize the tactile screen with your favorite photo.

B (77:44)

Check the dynamic lock screen to get info on battery life, status, time, messages, et cetera.

A (77:50)

First doesn't follow. Grab a pair@jbl.com come.

B (77:54)

All right, this is. I don't think so honey. This is a one minute segment where we take a little bit of time to enjoy the view. Yeah right. Yeah right. What we do is we knock something down in culture that's standing upright and we don't like it. So this. I guess I haven't. I don't think so honey.

A (78:15)

Okay, this is Matt Rogers. Not a thing. So honey, it's time start now.

B (78:19)

I don't think so honey that I'm so late to enjoying the US Open. I feel like this is something in my culture that's been missing and lacking. I'm obsessed with the US Open this year. I got to go. I had between four and six honey juices. Who can remember so good. But just the attending U.S. open culture. The culture around tennis. Like I don't give it enough Year round. And suddenly I turn around and people are like, oh, we know who Yannick Sinner is. We knew that Venus was coming back in double 30 seconds. We have have like. We know the lore of like Taylor Townsend, etc. And I'm so into this cast of characters. It feels like tennis, like modern professional tennis gives us a cast of characters. And I had forgotten about that. So I don't think so, honey. Me and the way I've been. But going forward in the future, I'm gonna be like Lin Manuel. I'm gonna try to be at as much as of everything as I can be. I'm gonna. It's gonna be Lin Manuel, Anna Wintour and Matt Rogers at every match if they'll have me. Please. I suck dick for it. I don'. Funny.

A (79:22)

And that's one minute. You heard it here first. He'll suck dick to be at the Open.

B (79:27)

I was. I got to go. I took Melissa.

A (79:30)

Yes. Great reaction shots from you.

B (79:32)

Yeah. We were living.

A (79:34)

I need to ask you something.

B (79:36)

Sure.

A (79:36)

My biggest issue with going to Arthur Ashe during the Open. How was it leaving?

B (79:42)

Fine.

A (79:43)

Really? Oh, that's. That's been hell for me.

B (79:46)

I will say this. We were at the night match. Match. And we shut it down.

A (79:50)

Like you stayed.

B (79:51)

A lot of people leave. Which felt disrespectful to me during the second match.

A (79:56)

Like it was like for the whole thing.

B (79:58)

So we were watching Alcaraz 1 and by the way, he is a fine specimen of my man.

A (80:04)

My pee pee feel hard. Yeah.

B (80:06)

PP people feel good. Anyway. Yeah. Anyway, so then the second match was happening and everyone had left, so Melissa and I were just jamming. We were having honey juices. We were. We were vibing. And so then. Because I. We were last to leave, so maybe that's why. But I had such an amazing time there.

A (80:25)

No, it's so fun. My only complaint, and it's not a real one, is just leaving as hell. But with anything Arthur Ashe. The first time I had ever heard about the psyop, now known as the Viral Dubai Chocolate, it was. Matt Whitaker and I were there last year for, I think, women's semifinals and quarterfinals. And then someone comes over, someone, a lovely gentleman comes over and goes, have you tried the Viral Dubai Chocolate yet? And we're like, what's that? Well, here. And then we. And we're like, oh, this is pretty good. Well, it's the Viral Dubai Chocolate. Oh, okay. I hadn't heard that before. So it's. It's viral. Yes, it's the Viral Dubai Chocolate. And now it's like a fucking, like Internet punchline, right? It's like viral Dubai chocolate Labu boo bubble.

B (81:06)

It's like.

A (81:07)

It's like.

B (81:07)

I didn't know about this.

A (81:08)

The gibberish that is now. Now occupying all of our collective consciousness. Like, have you had the biology by chocolate?

B (81:15)

No.

A (81:16)

Have you ever had it by chocolate? Yes.

B (81:19)

Okay, I have to try that on air.

A (81:21)

You will have to try the Valley by chocolate on air.

B (81:23)

Are you going today?

A (81:25)

Going. No, tomorrow and Thursday.

B (81:27)

Greta's. You're going with Greta, right? She's going with.

A (81:29)

So excited. I'm so excited.

B (81:32)

Yeah. It was a total slay blast. I love loved going and I love tennis and I might take a lesson.

A (81:40)

Oh, I think you absolutely should.

B (81:44)

Let's move. Okay. This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. Is he ready?

A (81:53)

I think so. This. Yeah, I think.

B (81:56)

Okay. This is Bon Yang, so I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

A (81:59)

I don't think so, honey. Mother Goose, where are the geese in the stories and the rhymes? You are weird for making your whole thing. Goose, goose, goose. When I don't see a goose show up. Maybe there is the poem. Old Mother Goose, when she wanted to wander, would ride through the air on a very fine gander. That doesn't rhyme with wander. And also, if you're riding on a gander, does that mean you're the gander?

B (82:28)

30 seconds.

A (82:29)

This is. And this is getting weird, Mother Goose. Like, I don't know what your deal is and I don't know where you. You. I don't know what you smoked or what shrooms you embod you munched on to come up with three little pigs with Puss and Boo.

B (82:44)

15 seconds.

A (82:45)

Little Red Riding Hood. A wolf dressing up in grandma's clothing. Animal doing old woman drag. No. Ageist. I don't like any of this. I think he might be. I think if the story is you're actually a goose hiding and pretending to be a human, that's a scandal and you should be more honest about. About that.

B (83:01)

And that's one minute. I think we can all agree that Mother Goose. It's getting weird. Number 60, Mother Goose. It's getting weird.

A (83:11)

Weird. You know, I was today I just out of nowhere laughed at Sherwe Wakefield classic of Whatever happened to customer service?

B (83:19)

Service. Hi, My name is.

A (83:23)

Is whatever happened to you?

B (83:25)

Hello. How are you? How are you? My name is. My name is. What did you think of. Of. Of the song? Of the performance?

A (83:34)

I definitely thought it was fun.

B (83:36)

It was Fun. I like the beat.

A (83:37)

Like the beat.

B (83:38)

So she is not on the show.

A (83:43)

Not on the show. We miss her.

B (83:45)

I don't know. I'm excited. I'm really excited about the upcoming Salt Lake and Potomac era because I feel like at best, those are the best, and I'm just not, not. I'm not connecting with other.

A (83:58)

It's okay. It's okay. But we're, we, we, we all give them a chance and we love.

B (84:02)

We sure do.

A (84:03)

Okay, well, this is, this is a fabulous episode.

B (84:06)

I feel this was a fabulous episode. And we forgot to mention that your girl's going on tour.

A (84:13)

That's going to be fun. Is going on tour. I said come over before, after Barclays. I'm right over there.

B (84:20)

You'd be really low.

A (84:22)

No, she was like, I'm coming. I was like, great slay.

B (84:24)

I'm coming.

A (84:25)

I'm coming. Yeah, I think that'll be really fun.

B (84:31)

Well, in honor of that announcement, we end every episode with a song. Baby, I'm a needle seat belt When I ride it I leave it open like a door come inside it.

A (84:45)

Well, you went 3435.

B (84:47)

I've been obsessed with 3435. 5.

A (84:49)

It's a great song because I will.

B (84:51)

Say, like all the discourse about like Sabrina, like being like the funny pop star, I'm like, yes, it's true. But you didn't listen to 3435 because there's been jokes.

A (85:02)

Math class never was good neighbors.

B (85:05)

Earthquake when I make the bed.

A (85:08)

Also, that music video, she is doing like big comfy couch style, like splits choreography, shooting the legs, swinging it over one side, I'm like, go off bit catch.

B (85:19)

Yes. Such a dream come true. Okay, bye. I love Ariana. Bye.

A (85:27)

Las Coldas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

B (85:31)

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos, edited and.

A (85:38)

Mixed by Doug B.

B (85:39)

And our music is by Henry Komirsky. There's my at home voice and my podcast voice. My podcast voice is like a leveled up version of me. Kind of like the new Digiorno wood fired style craft pizza with a leveled up crispy yet perfectly airy crust. Now that Digiorno has new wood fired style crust pizzas, I might start doing the show from home. Digiorno is dropping a new crust in four topping varieties. Premium pepperoni supreme speciale, Italian meat trio and four cheese. I'll have all four. You've never had pizza like this at home. It's restaurant quality pizza without all the other restaurant stuff. The new digiorno wood fired style crust pizza. It's not delivery, it's digiorno.

A (86:27)

Hey, big news for all you platonic fans. Season two is officially out on Apple tv. If you missed season one, here's the gist. Seth Rogen and Rose Byrne legends play a pair of platonic besties just like Matt and I who are a total disaster together in the funniest way.

B (86:43)

I can't wait to see that Luke McFarl now. I'm really excited. Luke and Carla Gallo. Okay, get me to the theater. I mean the show, the tv. See, the thing is, Apple TV plus is like watching a movie in your own home. Everything on there is so excellent and you'll spot some familiar faces from SNL like A.D. bryant.

A (87:03)

I know her.

B (87:04)

Season two of Platonic is now streaming on Apple TV Plus. It's hilarious. Go check it out.

C (87:09)

What is it that makes the all new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid an incredible suv? Is it the spacious interior that's comfy for the whole crew or the capability to go off road? Maybe it's up to 600 plus miles of range. What if it's all of that and more? What is it then? The all new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. So much more than just another SUV. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details.

B (87:39)

You know that feeling when you want to buy something but also want to feel like an adult about it? Klarna gets it. Klarna has an app that helps you shop smarter, track your spending, compare prices, earn cash back. Which who doesn't want that? And if needed, split payments interest free.

A (87:55)

No drama, no guessing, no weird math.

B (87:59)

Ugh.

A (87:59)

Just a little more clarity when you click add to cart. Klarna is your smarter everyday spending partner. Download the Klarna app or learn more@klarna.com.

B (88:08)

California resident loans made or arranged pursuant to a California Finance Law License NMLS Number 1353190 Klarna A balance account required clone and may get a commission. Limitations, terms and conditions apply.

A (88:18)

This is an iHeart podcast.