Episode 630: The Kentucky Teenage Vampire Clan Murders Part II - Blood & Beef

Summary

Summary of "The Kentucky Teenage Vampire Clan Murders Part II - Blood & Beef" (Episode 630) – Last Podcast on the Left

Release Date: August 15, 2025
Host/Author: The Last Podcast Network

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1. Introduction and Recording Setup [02:00 – 03:25]

The episode begins with hosts Marcus Parks, Henry Zabrowski, and Ben Kissel recording remotely from Asheville, North Carolina, utilizing a home studio provided by Moog at Round Table Studios. The team celebrates Kevin's birthday, highlighting the camaraderie among the hosts.

Notable Quote:
Ben Kissel [02:03]: "He would love these Vampire homes."

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2. Recap of Part I and Overview of Part II [03:25 – 05:00]

Marcus introduces the ongoing investigation into the "Kentucky Teenage Vampire Clan Murders," now entering Part II of a three-part series. The focus shifts to Rod Ferrell, a 16-year-old who convinced teens in Kentucky and Florida that he was a 500-year-old vampire named Vassago. While many viewed the vampire persona as mere role-play, Rod deeply believed in his vampiric identity, setting the stage for escalating tensions.

Notable Quote:
Marcus Parks [05:00]: "This story just ended up unfolding and becoming a fascinating look into the lives of these weird small-town goths."

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3. The Dynamics of the Vampire Clan [05:00 – 12:00]

The hosts delve into the social structure of the "vampire" group at Murray State, Kentucky. Rod's intense belief in his vampire persona caused friction within the group, leading to the formation of separate factions. Rod’s manipulation skills, honed through playing Vampire: The Masquerade, allowed him to exploit the vulnerabilities of his peers, turning what was initially a harmless role-playing game into a dangerous reality.

Notable Quote:
Henry Zabrowski [07:00]: "Things run high wherever the children of darkness gather."

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4. Rod Ferrell’s Manipulation and Personal Relationships [12:00 – 25:00]

Rod's charisma attracted several members to his cause, including April Dodin ("Shy") and Charity Kesey. April, despite being three years older, fell deeply for Rod, but their relationship deteriorated after a public altercation at J.C. Penney where Rod threatened to kill her unborn child to justify his commitment to creating an army of vampires. Charity Kesey became another key figure, manipulated by Rod through fabricated traumatic experiences to secure her loyalty.

Notable Quotes:
Ben Kissel [19:00]: "Does this trigger you from your childhood, Henry?"
Henry Zabrowski [19:09]: "It was nice to be cared enough to be held hostage."

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5. The Escalation to Violence [25:00 – 40:00]

As internal conflicts intensified, Rod's descent into actual violence became evident. His aggressive behavior included animal cruelty and threats against peers, which eventually led to his expulsion from the vampire group. Rod's inability to separate fantasy from reality resulted in him committing murders under the guise of his vampire persona, targeting Heather Windorf’s parents in Florida.

Notable Quote:
Marcus Parks [40:20]: "Rod developed the social skills to lure people into his circle by finding and engaging their true desires."

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6. The Breakdown of the Vampire Clan [40:00 – 60:00]

The narrative explores the aftermath of Rod's actions, including his strained relationship with Steven Murphy and the broader fallout within the group. Steven's eventual rejection of Rod and his subsequent legal troubles mark a turning point, leading Rod to form a new, more isolated faction with Matt Goodman and Scott Anderson. Rod’s unyielding belief in his vampire identity fueled further acts of violence, culminating in the planned murders at Heather's parents' home.

Notable Quotes:
Marcus Parks [52:38]: "Now, since Rod was so heartbroken, he devolved into a puddle of tears in front of the whole group..."
Ben Kissel [54:38]: "You got to bring your casket to the Hardee's to order."

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7. The Final Phase and Lead-Up to Murders [60:00 – 89:00]

Rod's newfound crew, including Matt and Scott, became increasingly radicalized, engaging in ritualistic behaviors and preparing for violent acts. Their actions blurred the lines between fantasy and reality, with Rod orchestrating real violence under the pretense of vampire lore. The group's aggressive stance and Rod's determination set the stage for the tragic murders that would follow.

Notable Quote:
Marcus Parks [77:11]: "Scott also wrote that his likes were traveling and bagpipe music."

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8. Conclusion and Tease for Part III [89:00 – 93:09]

The episode concludes with a buildup towards the scheduled murders planned by Rod's vampire clan. The hosts emphasize the tragic outcome of Rod's inability to detach himself from his vampire fantasy, leading to irreversible violence and loss. They set the anticipation for Part III, which will detail the culmination of these dark events.

Notable Quote:
Marcus Parks [87:37]: "But Rod was about to become so insufferable that even a small town improv group would find his attitude to be a bit much."

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Insights and Reflections

Throughout the episode, the hosts analyze the psychological manipulation and the thin veneer between role-playing and reality. They highlight how Rod's deep immersion in his vampire persona catalyzed real-world violence, serving as a cautionary tale about the dangers of blurred lines between fantasy and reality.

Notable Quote:
Henry Zabrowski [26:45]: "We saw these types of things where if you're looking for something to change your whole paradigm and give you meaning, no matter what it is, if you're desperate for meaning and belonging, that thing's gonna show up."

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Closing Remarks

The hosts reiterate the importance of understanding the nuanced dynamics within subcultures and warn against taking role-playing scenarios too seriously. They express their anticipation for the final installment of the series, promising an in-depth exploration of the ultimate consequences of Rod Ferrell's actions.

Notable Quote:
Marcus Parks [93:03]: "Now, Rod Ferrell is starting to ramp up towards committing violence against actual humans."

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Transcript

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[Marcus Parks]

There's no place to escape to. This is the last podcast on the left.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's when the cannibalism started. What was that?

[Marcus Parks]

Now that you're here, this entire thing has just been a ruse to bring you into my class.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I do feel like I'm in your haven. I'm inside of where your casket would be. For those of you that don't know, we are recording remotely this episode in Asheville, North Carolina, in a very wonderful home studio given to us by the wonderful people over at Moog.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we got this through our Moog connections. We're here at Round Table Studios in Asheville, North Carolina.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So perfect.

[Marcus Parks]

It's so cool. Round Table.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, it's amazing.

[Ben Kissel]

Makes me so happy. Also, I have to say, it is Kevin's birthday today.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yes.

[Ben Kissel]

Yes, it is. Yeah. So it's all kind of beautiful in a way.

[Marcus Parks]

It really is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is a great way to celebrate Kevin.

[Ben Kissel]

He would love these Vampire home.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Nothing would make him happier than him ragging on Rod Frell. Like, he would hate this vampire lifestyle. He wasn't a vampire. He was the opposite of vampires.

[Ben Kissel]

Like to dress up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He did.

[Marcus Parks]

He did.

[Ben Kissel]

And I'll say. But he did also love messing with gutter punks. And so this would have been a good one for him. Now, Henry, I have to say, I know this is. You know, your camera angle is horrible.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

You gotta, like, move, like, the thing at all.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think this is it.

[Ben Kissel]

You are the one that people like to see the most.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think this is how we're. We're in a basement. For those of you that don't know if you can see, see this on the Patreon. We're in a basement where the crimes of today happened. Yes, it was here. This is. I mean, we're in the location. We're in an old house in Asheville. This is where you beat an older couple to death with a crowbar.

[Marcus Parks]

That fucking. That wood paneling is made to be splattered with blood.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It should be. It should be written. Pigs should be written on that.

[Ben Kissel]

Riley, get some fucking blood down here.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Come on.

[Ben Kissel]

That are. Just open up your fans.

[Marcus Parks]

Welcome to Last podcast on the Left, ladies and gentlemen. We are of course recording live from Asheville, North Carolina. Thank you so much to everybody who's come out to our shows here in North Carolina over the next few days. And you can go to Last podcast on the left.com to check out and see where we're coming to play live shows in the rest of the country. But today we are going to be getting on to the Kentucky Teenage Vampire Clan Murders part two. But before that, my name is Marcus Parks and I'm here with. With the newly died Henry Zabrowski.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm dead. You know what I thought, though, is that. I thought that your hair.

[Marcus Parks]

Dye your hair.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Dy. No. Oh, that's what you mean. Oh, I thought that you meant I'm dead. No, and I feel if I.

[Marcus Parks]

If I would have said that you were dead, like you were newly died, that would mean I'm having a stroke.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Y.

[Ben Kissel]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

Your hair looks great. Show the people. Take off the hat.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, you got to see. You got to wait. You got to wait until the live show. That's when you can really see the wind blowing through the last four hairs.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah, you look like a Hulk Hogan themed bal bun.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Thank you. Save it. If we could. Save it.

[Marcus Parks]

So what was it like getting struck by lightning?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I was 66. 66 times. Remember that?

[Marcus Parks]

For the greater doors.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah, I do.

[Marcus Parks]

And we have the very comfortable Ed Larson.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah, no, this is actually very nice. I hope I'm still funny. So relaxed.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, you're on the night. You're on this nice leather couch.

[Ben Kissel]

It's very nice. I hear I got another one. Henry, congrats on the new horror movie. You booked the adults of the corn.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Why they can't see. They don't know. His hair is dyed white. Thank you. Yes. It's blonde. I asked for Hulk Hogan. They said it will fade into. Into something like that.

[Marcus Parks]

So did you ghost your hair before it ghosted you?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, that's the goal.

[Ben Kissel]

The not so macho man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I wanted to look like shit to talk about Kentucky Hefty.

[Ben Kissel]

Plemons over here.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Save it. We got a lot of show. I gotta do it all weekend.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh my God, Henry, we wrote so many.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I know. Wait until we get to the show.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, as I said, we're here at the Kentucky Teenage Vampire Clan Murders, Part 2. Part 2 of 3. Because this story just ended up unfolding and becoming a fascinating look into the lives of these weird small town goths. It really like it. I almost feel like Studs Turkel.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, now that we're in Asheville, you can really feel like a small town has got the two sides right. It seems. It seems like the truly, like I'm looking for a peaceful experience. I like a slow breakfast. I like an even slower Uber ride. And then there's the other side of it that is, for some reason more dramatic than anybody you've ever met before in your life. And they're at the 711 and they're looking to start shit and they're going to decapitate somebody.

[Ben Kissel]

I like this fucking place. Place, man.

[Marcus Parks]

I love this place.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah. No, it reminds me, it's like, it's. I know it's Eastern standard, but it is mountain time, you know, like everyone's just taking their time.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, they really are. Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

No, it's crazy.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And Harvest Records is absolutely incredible, I'll say that right now. So when we last left the Kentucky teenage vampire clan, 16 year old Rod Ferell had successfully convinced a number of teens in both Kentucky and Florida that he was a 500-year-old vampire named Vassago who was merely inhabiting the body of a teenage boy. Got it? Now, Rod's claims of being a vampire were taken far more seriously down in Eustis, Florida, where teenagers Heather Windorf and Janine leclaire had fallen for Rod's line of vampire bullshit in a big way, but from a different perspective. I think it would be fair to say that Heather and Janine pretended to fall for it hard. Because the specific way that all of these kids blurred the lines between fantasy and reality is extremely important to this story.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What these kids needed was glam rock. Yeah. They needed to start a band. That's how you do it. That's how you get out of a small town. That's how you dress like a lady and. And freak people out and show your nipples and get laid across the country. That's what you do, folks.

[Ben Kissel]

That's right. That's right. And you know Eustace, Florida, not many people know this, but it got its name because it used to be nice.

[Marcus Parks]

I don't know eddie.com. see, one of the things to keep in mind for the rest of this series is that despite all the shit we talked last time about the Kentucky vampires or wampy rs, it seems like during the time that Rod Farrell actually killed two people, 1996, almost everyone but Rod knew that the whole vampire thing was basically kayfabe. In other words, saying that you were a vampire and acting like you were a vampire, you. It was all an act for most of these kids because guess what? They weren't vampires.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. It made them feel more powerful than they really were. And it gave them something to while away the hours in their respective small southern towns until the day they could finally leave or they were saddled with a kid or they died.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's their jobs.

[Marcus Parks]

That's what they're supposed to do as Americans.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Those got. These people, unfortunately, are supposed to die first up in trench warfare. Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

That is their level of success.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. But in contrast to those just looking for something to do, Rod Ferrell had come to believe in his own story so thoroughly by the summer of 1996 that he was beginning to worry the other so called Murray vampires. And just to be clear, Rod had only met his fellow vampire buddies a few months before this, because he'd only been quote unquote, sired by his friend Stephen Murphy in January of that year. At this point, I think we're talking about like May, like April. But Rod was about to become so insufferable that even a small town improv group would find his attitude to be a bit much. And Rod was therefore about to fracture the Murray vampire community in twain.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And if you've never met a small town improv group, but you know. Cause they're always named like, you know, Epstein's, Ms. Steens or whatever. You mean, like it's like they are. The idea of your attitude's too much.

[Ben Kissel]

Also the Murray vampire. I just can't help but think of my uncle Murray every time. And it's just like how much he would hate these.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It was everybody walk around dressed in black. Some kind of fury was. We'll see what happened. All the tolls. Tolls are killing me. Congested pricing. I was supposed to see Phantom bring.

[Marcus Parks]

These vampires up to Jersey. Then we'll show them a thing or two.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, Newark. See what Newark's how they sort out some vampires.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, God. Vampires of Newark.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I have a life.

[Marcus Parks]

I kind of want that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's legit though, if you're a vampire. Newark, then if you're. You've you have to be legit. You have to be murdered.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah. Now, Rod returned to Murray, Kentucky in the spring of 1996, when his grandfather was called back for work. If you'll remember, his grandfather was a traveling salesman and moved between Murray, Kentucky, and Eustis, Florida, every few months. And he always brought along Rod and Rod's mother, Sandra, because said he could keep an eye on him better that way. But while in Florida, Rod had spent months convincing teenagers Heather windorf and Janice Leclair that he was indeed a 500-year-old vampire named Vassago. But when Rod returned, most of the older Murray State students from the Victorian Age Masquerade Performing Society, AKA Vamps, they had decided that they didn't want to play the masquerade with Rod anymore because he sucked all. All the fun out of the game due to how seriously he was taking his Vago Persona.

[Henry Zabrowski]

For anybody who's been in a nerd enclave, this is. This does happen.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There does need to be a natural readjustment when things go too far. Like how my family disallowed risk from being played within the family home because of my missteps at the end of a family bout of risk missteps. My missteps, which were. I flipped the table because Jackie cheated because she didn't know what the hell she was doing, and she was winning, and she did. It was all just by luck, pure luck. And I didn't understand at the time.

[Marcus Parks]

That's not cheating.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's called light. That's life.

[Ben Kissel]

That's not.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah, it's called life. That's what happened.

[Ben Kissel]

Sometimes it's like they were risking their happiness playing it with you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly. And that's what I brought to the table. Brinkmanship amongst the family.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, separate vampire camps had already begun to form in Murray, and much of the tension was centered around Murray's ancient vampire meeting grounds, where clans would discuss magical spells and astral projection amongst other arcane topics.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, the forbidden arts.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes, tensions often run high wherever the children of darkness gather. And in the hallowed vampiric center that was Murray, Kentucky, the bloodthirsty clans of the night spawn congregated at the local hard.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Does I normally keep a casket filled with my. The dirt of my home country deep inside the fryer section of the Hardy.

[Ben Kissel]

Yes, I am here to find my happy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. One vanilla milkshake, please.

[Ben Kissel]

No, I cannot afford this $6 burger. I must have this $3 burger.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Time for the dead to rest here in the drive through.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, if y' all ain't gonna buy nothing. Y' all gonna have to leave. You.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You are right. Time to move on to the haunted Greyhound station.

[Ben Kissel]

What do you mean?

[Henry Zabrowski]

You do not have mayonnaise.

[Ben Kissel]

Make sure you get your orders to Cisco incorrectly.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, at this point, Rod was not yet totally on the outs with the other vampires, so he was allowed to hang out at Hardee's whenever he wanted. But even though some of the college students from Vamps had started to sour on their 16 year old playmate, there was one 19 year old who still enjoyed Rod enough to actually date him. That girl, three years older than Rod, was named April Dodin, but her chosen vampire name was Shy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

April was either a freshman or a sophomore at Murray State who'd met Rod through the college improv group. And Shy or April, like Heather and Janine, she'd been pulled in by Rod's raw goth charisma.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So much gets done for a man if he's skinny. In Kentucky. I feel like it's mostly just that when she said he had raw goth charisma, she meant skinny.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And I think that a lot of the other vamps might not have had the BMI that she was looking for.

[Marcus Parks]

I will say that, yeah, being a skinny boy from the south who's always been skinny up, I was definitely a rarity.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And it definitely. And it certainly gets beat up, and it definitely gets you fucked with quite a bit because there's just something about the weakness that they really, like, zero in on. They don't realize I'm stringy, I'm ropey.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But they. They know that girls like it. That's why they get angry.

[Marcus Parks]

Y. Well, not all the girls like it. I've definitely. I heard quite a few ews in my time.

[Ben Kissel]

Well, I heard a couple ews. Yeah, it happens.

[Marcus Parks]

It happens.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know, I get. All I got was ooze. Ah.

[Ben Kissel]

Ooze was what was coming out of your pants.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I was excited. I had been soaking for hours.

[Marcus Parks]

As far as Rod's charisma went, he certainly had an instinct for it. But like many other charismatic sociopaths, Rod used whatever was at his disposal to learn how to more effectively manipulate people. In Rod's case, the thing that taught him manipulation was Vampire the Masquerade, because.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It'S one of the skill sets that you could have in Vampire the Masquerade. It's easy to have that skill set when you're just rolling dice, but still.

[Marcus Parks]

There has to be a lot of interaction.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, there's favorable beginnings depending on Whether or not you have proficiency in persuasion or intimidation. Intimidations, actually. Sometimes a lot more. Even power. More powerful than persuasion.

[Ben Kissel]

So you've played this before?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I am begun. I. Well, I might even let people on to the fact that LPN is working on a bit of a thing alongside of the creators of Vampires the Masquerade. So this is huge.

[Ben Kissel]

You're also inspired by Rod.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. Because he's skinny. That's what I like. As I like I can ride them hip bones. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And it's actually this. Is it just a promo. Like we just. We the Vampire the Masquerade thing and us coming upon this story. Total coincidence.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's how it works.

[Marcus Parks]

But through playing Vampire the Masquerade, Rod developed the social skills to lure people into his circle by finding and engaging their true desires. In other words, while everyone else was playing Vampire the Masquerade to have fun, Rod was searching for vulnerabilities and weaknesses.

[Ben Kissel]

It's like the guy who tries too hard at poker night.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

You know, you're just.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You guys away from my family.

[Marcus Parks]

He shows up wearing sunglasses.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, no, we. We have very good friends that used to do that. When they keep buying back in and buying back in, you're like, you gotta go home. You're bad at this.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, when Rod got together with April Doden through the Victorian Age Masquerade Performing Society, she was actually pregnant with another man's baby.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Caught a seed. Yeah, I caught a seed earlier this month.

[Marcus Parks]

It's just. I mean, I'm just going to say, like, for those of you like Lubbock, people will understand this. And people like Murray State very much reminds me of South Plains College in Levelland, Texas, which is like about 30 miles from Lubbock.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

It's the type of people. I used to hang out with some South Plains people because they also had a recording program out there. The people that are involved in this story, they're. They're level end people. They're South Plains people. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And they're.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Oh, they're. They're getting pregnant. They're spreading STDs all over this town.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The only thing that ain't shy about me is me. A. Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

And this is for my Tallahassee people. These are my sop. Choppy folk.

[Marcus Parks]

Gotcha.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

The worm grunters.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, it's true. They go out and they could put.

[Ben Kissel]

These like big tubes in the ground and they grunt a bunch and the worms come up and they keep the worms. Well, they give the worms to the.

[Marcus Parks]

I know what worm grunting Is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

What was. Some people at home might not.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, they might educate the. The more elite members of our audience.

[Ben Kissel]

The UN Grunting folk.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, Rod, he got a little domestic when he moved in with April, at least for a bit. April even gave him a pet name. She called him Bunny Foot. And Rod made plans to adopt April's baby after it was born.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It'll be good to eat. Can't wait to eat your baby.

[Ben Kissel]

With my family, Bunny Foot is like the worst luck dude in the world.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, exactly.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, even though Rod was just 16, April was deeply in love with him. In fact, as far as she was concerned, the only thing wrong with Rod Ferrell was that his mother, Sandra, called their apartment every night, begging him to return home. But it did not take long for Rod to get bored with the whole situation. And shit got real weird and real aggressive real fast. See, sometime in July 1996, Rod and April went to J.C. penney together to look for a wedding dress. But in true got fashion, April put a dog collar on Rod to freak out the squares.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That was also for the engagement pictures. That's the thing. That's key.

[Marcus Parks]

She led him around the mall on a leash and tied him to clothes racks and such when she tried on dresses.

[Ben Kissel]

Does this trigger you from your childhood, Henry?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. Honestly, it brings me a sense of comfort. It was nice to be cared enough to be held hostage.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah, they didn't want to lose you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the thing. It would have.

[Ben Kissel]

All their problems would have been over.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, if I just went, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And you had a harness, not a collar.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Why? The. The. When you have two leashes, that's when it starts getting into the. I'm a captive.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, while this sounds like April and Rod were having fun that day, the whole game collapsed after April didn't buy a dress. The two of them got into a fight in the parking lot, where Rod escalated things by calling April a and threatening to kill her unborn baby.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is again, just to point out, often they are idly threatening to kill each other. Kill infants. Kill, kill, kill. They just say it, no matter what. It's like a knee jerk reaction.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, and it sounds dangerous. But again, it was hard to take these people seriously because Rod followed up his threat to kill her baby by saying that he had better things to do than helping her raise her baby, because he was totally about to start recruiting and training an army of vampires.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, tell me that's why my niece won't get a job. I keep telling her, like, you need to really, like, listen this. If you want to train and recruit vampires, it's not going to happen in the living room. You got to get out there. You got to go to the graveyard. You got to go to Romania.

[Ben Kissel]

I mean, if you're recruiting vampires, there is a baby inside this woman.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Make it from that.

[Marcus Parks]

From the git too long, man. The Dark Army's coming, like, before the new millennium. This is 1996. He ain't got a four year old. By that time, that baby ain't doing shit.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But how powerful would it be if you turned a toddler and then everybody thinks that toddler's an innocent little toddler? And then around the streets at night looking for blood instead of milk, some big breasted, full milked woman could show up and try to feed that toddler real easy, lickety splickey. Because that's what women do. Especially if they're filled with milk. And then that toddler's just going to bite the hell out of your tits. Ultimate surprise indeed.

[Marcus Parks]

Isn't that kind of. Yeah. Like a Southern version of Let the right one in?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Pitching all over the place.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that's Tammy. That's my. That's my toddler Tammy. Tammy Jewelry junior.

[Marcus Parks]

But this year, this also tells you how seriously other people took Rod's threats. Because when Rod said, I'm not gonna raise you, baby. I gotta raise an army of vampires, April joined in on the game. Even in this extraordinarily serious moment. She begged Rod to let her help raise the army of vampires. Because she said that she could give Rod access to her fairies and her Fae magic.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Women know your worth.

[Marcus Parks]

And I can only imagine. Can you fucking imagine? Sitting. You're at the fucking mall. You're waiting for your wife or your husband to go in and get something. You got the windows down because it's cool. And you hear this argument happening two cars away in a full Kentucky accent.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think the key is you walk over there and be like, hi, name's Anthony Van Helsing. Yes, I am the great, great, great grandson of Vladimir Van Helsing. Helsing. The. The cousin to the original Van Helsing. And I'm here to piss all over the side of your car because that's what I do. Because I am just released for the afternoon from the local insane asylum.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, April eventually wised up and left Murray State when Rod told her soon after this fight that he had a fantasy of slicing her quote from ear to ear. Because that's going to be one of the things that you'll notice, like coming up, is that when the threats start getting spec, the vampires start getting scared. So April was already gone by the time the murders occurred. But even so, April told author Aphrodite Jones that she and Rod had stayed in contact in the years since the murders. And April even half joked that the two of them were set to meet up again in 300 years at the ancient vampire grounds of Hardee's.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, the hollowed ground, the Hardy's still stands.

[Marcus Parks]

What she told Aphrodite Jones, she said, our souls are forever connected.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now that's really interesting to hear me, Aphrodite Jones. Yeah, and that's really interesting to be here. Now tell me, oh, do you set that up with a Google Calendar invite? How do you keep. How do you hold a vampire to his word? Let the people know.

[Marcus Parks]

April was by no means Rod's only girlfriend in Kentucky. And his other local vampire, Boo, would be one of the unlucky members of his clan to accompany him on his journey to Eustace, Florida to kill Heather Windorf's parents. In Murray, Rod's main vampire squeeze was a 15 year old girl named Charity Kesey, who fell for the vampire routine just like everyone else. Rod, however, told her that while she was his so called undying love, he needed to remain devoted to all of his vampires, which meant that he could fuck pretty much whoever he wanted.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Absolutely. Dude, I fucking my iguana farm, man. I gotta fuck my iguana.

[Marcus Parks]

Your iguana farm? Is that your name for like your phone book of old ladies you fuck?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep. Yeah, I gotta spread it around, you know, it takes a. It takes a real fine gulch to catch a king seed. That's what I'm. That's what I'm looking for.

[Marcus Parks]

But with Charity, Rod found another form of manipulation. Tragically, this girl had been sexually molested by a relative when she was a child. So Rod discovered the magic of trauma bonding by telling her that he had been sexually molested. Molested by his grandfather, Harold. Now, Rod very well may have been molested by his grandfather. The evidence is certainly there. But when Rod told the story to Charity Kisi, he made sure that he had the most metal molestation ever by using all the classic satanic panic tropes of the day. Rod told Charity that when he was very young, his grandfather brought him to a group of four or five men who sodomized Rod as a part of a ritual to fertilize the demon spirit within.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You have an idea how many kids you got to Go through till you can get one to fertilize. These little boys just won't take it, you know, Be a mother.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, this, of course, never happened, but. But Charity believed that it did, and it somehow gave the rest of Rod's claims more validity.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This whole thing is very similar to what? Well, we've covered it in Kruger's Dorp before. We've covered this. The. This style of.

[Marcus Parks]

By the way, this whole story makes Kruegerdorp those people. It makes them even dumber.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's so much dumb because. So much dumb because they were adults. Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

And these are. At the. At the end of the day, these are all teenagers except for one person.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But again, I watched another documentary on the vampire murders. Like this story. We're blowing this story up in a very specific way, because the other coverages of this story only, like, everybody's obsessed with the vampire angle.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But they take it deadly serious, even to this day. Yes. And.

[Marcus Parks]

And they should not.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because you know what it is, is it's an important American belief structure system. We saw it with QAnon. We see these types of things where if you're looking for something to change your whole paradigm and give you meaning, no matter what it is, if you're desperate for meaning and belonging, that thing's gonna show up. It just shows up. So these not only are the vampire people looking to belong to something. That's where the vampire stuff works for them, but the whole town loves the vampire stuff because it gives them something to push against.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And it makes them feel like they actually matter. This idea that these ancient vampires and satanic cults have arrived to take over Murray, Kentucky, when it's like, if they have it, like, if they feel the vampires let the billionaires have San Francisco, it's not gonna happen in Murray. You know, it's just like, the vampires got beat by Twitter. Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah. They were almost a fun part of the community.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Almost.

[Ben Kissel]

But then everyone realized, like, oh, okay, they're. They're animals.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

And also, Rod is a piece of. In like, a million different ways.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes, he is.

[Ben Kissel]

But this chick confessing her trauma to him and then him having to one up this insane trauma that she dealt with is like a special kind of hell.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. I was molested, too, but it was like, five times that.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, it was like five guys. And it was my grandfather, and. And also it was satanic.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It was like a whole thing. They were going to set me on fire unless I made Bill Clinton come. And it was so hard because he was tired from the red eye and.

[Ben Kissel]

They put me in an iron maiden, but I was just too thin so that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

None of that. He never poked me. I was just in a. I was just in a big metal cow.

[Marcus Parks]

So anyway, tell me about your trauma again or whatever.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I guess that sounds interesting.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Ben Kissel]

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[Ben Kissel]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Ben Kissel]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Marcus Parks]

The other thing about the media coverage of this case is that really it reminds me a lot of the Manson family because one of the things that we talked about when we talked about the Manson family was how you can tell when somebody covers the Manson family murders. You can tell if that author has done drugs or not.

[Ben Kissel]

Sure.

[Marcus Parks]

And you can tell if they've done drugs with other people or done drugs in a group. And this story is so niche and this subculture is so niche. And we, of course, you know, the three of us, we've you know, we're not goth kids, but we definitely were friends with a lot of goth kids over the years and we're involved in that community. So we have a perspective on this that I think most journalists and most people on the out, like, they just see it as this impenetrable, strange thing that they couldn't possibly understand. And it really is. The only thing you have to understand is that they're playing pretend.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And that's it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And it went out of control. And this country has an issue with that.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, this country has had an issue with people playing pretend, making it real since its fucking founding.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Honestly, it's kind of magical and awesome in a way.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, it's what makes America amazing and it's what makes us innovators and it's what makes us who we are. But it's also going to kill us all. Yeah. Now, concerning Rod's family, what's interesting about the dynamic is that his mother, Sandra, she'd spent years warning her son about the dangers of Satanism. And she'd even maintained that the handbook for vampire, the Masquerade, was itself a satanic tome.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's so nerdy.

[Marcus Parks]

It's so nerdy. But in the summer of 1996, Sandra, at the age of 35. Well, I think it's 35, it's. It's unclear. She's between 33 and 35. She changed her perspective completely when she decided she wanted in on the game as well. See, as we said in the last episode, Rod's mother, Sandra had the emotional intelligence of a 12 year old girl. So I think that when she saw how much attention her son was getting for his vampire story and when she saw how much sex he was having because of it, because Sandra was also hypersexual, she wanted in. So Sandra began encouraging Rod to decorate their home with spray painted pentagrams and satanic altars. While Sandra herself began dyeing her hair black and wearing goth clothes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

God, all of the boners are withering.

[Ben Kissel]

Except one.

[Marcus Parks]

Once established as a gothic, as they call them in Murray, Kentucky, Sandra officially asked her 16 year old son to, quote, unquote, sire her to embrace her into the world of wimpires. This request, I can even imagine the number that this did on Rod's head.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah, dude. Because it's not making you more like sexually attracted to your mom. Super lame. Yeah. If your mom really wanted you to her, right. If you're, she'd buy you drugs and buy you food and stuff like that.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, it's not just don't be a.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Vampire, don't come in on my fucking society, just fucking teach me how to come, I guess, because I have broken legs.

[Marcus Parks]

But it's not just that, but like, think about it. He, you know, he is a 16 year old boy who has created a fantasy world that is so alluring and so real that his own mother is begging him to be a part of it. Begging him. Oh yeah, you know, which can only inflate the sense of power that he has. And not only that, but like when you're 16 years old, like your parent is not supposed to be your friend, they're not supposed to be your peer, they're not supposed to be talking to you on the same level.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, the problem is, is that what? You know how many of our listeners have dealt with this as young people that you did not realize that the 30 year old that you were hanging out with when you were 16, who was buying you alcohol and shit, wasn't the coolest person you've ever met? At the time they were awesome. And it's not until you yourself become 30 and just look at a 16 year old and you realize how brutally annoying they are and how much they smell and how awful they are. You're not going to spend.

[Marcus Parks]

Some of them can be nice, but.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You'Re not going to spend time with. Yeah, I'm not hanging out with a 16 year old.

[Marcus Parks]

No, not hanging out with them, but they're not all like horribly smelly monsters.

[Henry Zabrowski]

When's the last time you've been around a bunch of 16 year olds?

[Ben Kissel]

Careful how you answer.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Shut up, Eddie. I'm going to. This is my time. It's called leverage.

[Marcus Parks]

When was the last flight? God, I can't remember.

[Henry Zabrowski]

God, man.

[Ben Kissel]

Also, I got to say, like, you know, sucking blood is gross enough, but sucking your mom's blood, there's something worse about it. It should be better because you're family, but some somehow it's gross.

[Marcus Parks]

It's far worse.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And you're born in it. Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

Only child, Rod.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, surprisingly enough.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Makes sense.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Well, and that's the thing is Rod was smart enough to know that nothing would kill the vampire vibe faster than bringing his mother into the mix. So he responded to her request to be sired by calling his mother a poser.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, this poser shot you out of her fucking uterus. So we gotta think about whose pose is what.

[Ben Kissel]

You like this pose?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Bam. Bam. Hey, Bam, check this one out. My knees are apart. Wow, look at that. My light bees don't touch.

[Ben Kissel]

Also did not know this is how poser is spelled.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Poser spelled U E R French. Yeah, posear. So after Rod rejected Sandra, she looked for other vampires to sire her by throwing herself at Rod's teenage male friends. Which was brutally embarrassing for Rod's Vassago Persona. But while most of Rod's friends fended Sandra off, this 35 year old woman zeroed in on 14 year old Jamie Murphy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I have found my nine point buck.

[Marcus Parks]

Jamie Murphy was actually the younger brother of Stephen Murphy, who was of course the so called vampire who had sired Rod Ferrell the January before. Now it seems like vampirism became the family business because Jamie Murphy was into the vampire story off just as much as Steven. And his dedication actually only grew more intense as he got older. In fact, Jamie was the vampir that we talked about last episode, speaking in the Eastern European accent. So suffice to say, this whole incident with Rod's mother did not put him off vampires at all.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's like of course the yes. The what? They say the riper the bearer, the thicker the juice.

[Ben Kissel]

I mean, is she 30? It doesn't matter if she's 35 if you're a thousand.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly, Eddie.

[Marcus Parks]

Well actually it does in court of law. Yes. Well no, no, even in their game.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like that's the thing, neonates don't, shouldn't mix with the elders.

[Marcus Parks]

But yeah, even in their game they couldn't put that together. Like they couldn't say that like, oh yeah, I'm 500 years older, I'm a thousand years old or whatever, she's 35, it's whatever. They just didn't want anything to do with her. She was creepy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, she's creepy.

[Marcus Parks]

She's really creepy creepy. But Jamie was the youngest boy hanging out with this vampire clan. So Rod's mother did what predators often do and chose the weakest one of the pack to target. After building a bizarre shrine to this 14 year old boy, Sandra began a courtship of sorts by writing Jamie a series of filthy pornographic letters. In her first letter, Sandra wrote, amongst many satanic references meant to excite Jamie's goth brain, that Rod was going to make her a vampire soon and that she wanted to be Jamie's vampire bride. Once Sandra and Jaime were joined in vampirism, they could then have wild vampire sex every night because Sandra thought about being, quote, French kissed and fucked by this 14 year old boy all the time.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, and I was thinking, alright, so you come down the stony steps of my mausoleum and then you push that sarcophagus lid off to the side and you're like, hot damn, is that a lady in there? And then you put your little. Your gummy hands on my boobs and then you mush them down a lot, feeling them. And then you go down to my butt and you start feeling it.

[Ben Kissel]

I imagine it wasn't far from that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, no, it wasn't.

[Marcus Parks]

Actually.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're haunted by the sounds and sights of my Dracula butt. My Dracula boobs. That's the sound that my pussy hole makes searching for blood.

[Marcus Parks]

Actually, we're about to hear some actual excerpts from the letter, or at least the second letter, because Jamie did not write back to Sandra nor acknowledge her first letter in any way. So Sandra kept press. This is what she wrote in her follow up, quote, I long to be.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Near you for your embrace. Yes, Jamie, to become a vampire, a part of the vampire family, immortal and truly yours forever.

[Marcus Parks]

Sandra continued writing that Jamie should not be afraid of her, quote, vast sexual experience.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It is as vast as the Pacific Ocean and as deep as a well. Yes, please have sex with my vast hole. Please. The bigger the better because less I feel it.

[Marcus Parks]

She said she now only had eyes for him. She did not have to worry about her. He did not have to worry about her previous sexual partners.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You don't got to worry about all the train I got run on me.

[Marcus Parks]

She then invited him over for the fourth of July.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, the most, the most historic vampire holiday of all time. Have a hot dog.

[Marcus Parks]

And at this fourth of July celebration, she wrote, quote, I'll unzip your pants.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And go down and I'll lick you and I'll suck you until you're just about to get off in my mouth. And then I pull my dress up and then move my panties over and guide you inside me.

[Marcus Parks]

It's very much, I mean, it's Penthouse Forum style writing. It's not the worst.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not that. It's the delivery. Yeah, that's what it really is.

[Marcus Parks]

It's really the delivery.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hustle my panties on over order to get to the Gap. Yeah, if you're going to want to get to my Gap, you're going to need to push over my phone letters. All right, Come on, you know, come on, release the bush.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, if this started with, I never thought it would happen to me. And it was, you know, written about like a woman who went to, I don't know, like she went to go buy a used car, but instead of buying a used car, I suck dick.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Instead of buying that used car sucks as Dick, long story short, just kind of wrap that up there. I know we're all trying to move on today.

[Ben Kissel]

God damn.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, when Stephen Murphy saw these letters from Rod's mother written to his little brother, Stephen convinced Jamie to report them to their mother.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because the only thing that beats a bad mommy is a good mommy. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So their mother could hopefully help fend off this 35 year old sexual beast. But instead of just making an irate phone call to Sandra demanding that she leave her son alone, Steven and Jamie's mother filed charges for sexual abuse.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Finally, somebody arrived doing a single thing. Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

So Sandra was charged with soliciting, rape and sodomy. Although the thing is, we couldn't. I think the charges were dropped because our researchers couldn't find any court cases or anything like that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's difficult to put all together, especially if it's just written words. And then when it comes down to it, you know, she should have left a voicemail.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

And Rod was still living at home.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

They would have taken him from her probably. If he's 16 at this point.

[Marcus Parks]

Maybe. I don't know. It's Kentucky, dude. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They would have just gotten them married.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And then he would have become a senator.

[Marcus Parks]

NORAD was, of course, mortified that his mother had inserted herself into his game. So he went to Stephen to smooth things over. They agreed that the whole situation was, in their words, quote, not good.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not good. Things are not good for the meeting first. If you put that on the notes right at the very top, new business things, not good.

[Marcus Parks]

But Rod couldn't help but escalate. He blurted out that he was gonna kill his mother and kill his grandfather. Hell, he's gonna kill everyone in his fucking family. Because they all deserved it. Now, Steven just sort of waved that off. Like they all waved off idle death threats. So Rod changed tack and tried to convince Stephen to move with him back down to Eustis, Florida, where Rod's vampiric concubines, Heather and Janine were waiting. Stephen, however, declined because as he told Rod, he was planning to attend Murray State University the next year to pursue. What else but a drama degree.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. Another actor. Thank God. Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Although from the documentary, it's. It does not seem like that became a reality.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. Is that he? Is he the one that went to Los Angeles?

[Marcus Parks]

No, he went to Chicago, actually. No, he is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He.

[Marcus Parks]

Steven is the one who went to Los Angeles. Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's the one that was like, we spoke to Gothics in Los Angeles and some had heard of us.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Stephen, he was also the ones like, man, I fucking. Nobody's gonna hire me around here, man. Nobody's hiring me because I'm a vampire, bro. So I'm gonna go to Los Angeles, all kinds of industry, and out there, nobody cares if you're a vampire.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, sir, it's cuz you don't have a ged.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, Jamie was the one who went to Chicago, and God help him. God, I hope everything worked out with that kid because he's like, yes, I'm going to Chicago now, where I will probably live under bridge.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The true lifestyle under a bridge in Chicago.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah, they got bridges in Kentucky.

[Marcus Parks]

Actually, you said I believed in the bridges in Kentucky before, but I imagine the bridges in Chicago are much nicer.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, they are not, buddy. They are not.

[Marcus Parks]

They are not. And there is a lot more competition.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, soon after Stephen rejected Rod's suggestion to kill his mother and or move down to Florida with the rest of Rod's vampire clan, the relationship between Murray, Kentucky's two original vampires began to come to an end. With all the drama you'd imagine, but quite a bit more violence than you'd expect. Now, the story of Rod and Steven's big blow up has been told a few different ways. But the way that it was reported to the police was that In August of 1996, Steven accused Rod of, quote, messing with a mutual friend's girlfriend. Rod denied this. In response to Rod's denial, Stephen allegedly grabbed Rod's throat and slammed his head into a brick wall before serious choking out Rod. But just as Rod was about to pass out, Steven let go and allegedly.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Told him, quote, now you know I'm superior and you're under me.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, that was the story that Rod told the police after he lost the fight and ran off to his mother to tell her that his friend Steven was being mean to him.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's a vampire competition bastard.

[Marcus Parks]

Steven's girlfriend at the time, however, had an entirely different and far more believable tale to tell about how the fight went down. Down. She said that Rod had tried to beat up Steven with the baseball bat and had even tried to stab Steven after Rod had threatened to spill Steven's girlfriend's guts.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Whoa.

[Marcus Parks]

But Rod was such a weakling that Steven was able to easily disarm him and choke him out. He has peewee arms and Steven's actually like, he's a thick dude. He's like ed size.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah, he's a big guy.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Like, here's Steven telling the story in a very Typical goth kid manner. This is what you'd call the goth kid cadence. And he made some kind of insinuation towards that effect of the. Of killing me and like that. And that's just when I went from laughing. I looked at him, I ran over, I grabbed him by his throat, picked him up and slammed him into the brick wall and held him there. And his face turned like four different shades of purple. I was like, well, fuck, I think I'm gonna kill him, so I'll let him go. You know, after I told him, you know, not to with me because I'd beat his ass, my friend that was with me freaked out because I went from. And then it was, like, instantaneous, you know.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. And this is why we're doing it in this way, is because I just can't help after the third documentary I watched, and they're all like, satanic cults are taking over middle America. And it's like you. It is instant.

[Marcus Parks]

Steve, you know this guy?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, Steven, you went to high school with him. You maybe went to college with him. He might be your next door neighbor right now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's working with you right now?

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Ben Kissel]

This is probably Steven's only fight. And he loves telling the story.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah, no, no. The goth kids like this. Yeah. Have like, that one fight that they won because they did sucker punch someone.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Technically, it is goth cred in this way because Rod Farrell killed people. So he did beat up a guy who killed people.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Then that's a big. And that's a big deal.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're right.

[Ben Kissel]

I would keep telling that story.

[Marcus Parks]

But Rod, he of course disputed that version of events and gave his own version of the story.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I turned into smoke. And what he didn't understand. Well, I guess, you know, what we all didn't understand is that the smoke me inhaled and the smoke didn't be blown out. So then I became a guy again, and he had me unawares.

[Marcus Parks]

But even though Rod is telling this story from death row itself, he still sounds like a little. Talking a big game.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There was no fight to it. He just slammed me up against the wall and that was that. I told him, you know, leave, go. Because that night I would have killed him. Love him or not, I would have killed him that night. He's such a loser.

[Marcus Parks]

I would have killed him that night.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I would have killed him that night. He just beat the out of you.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You had the very, very much opportunity to kill him right then.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And you also had opportunities to kill him for, like, months afterwards.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah. And he took your knife and your baseball bat.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a little hard to kill somebody.

[Ben Kissel]

After they take all your weapons.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, give those back. I was going to kill you with those.

[Marcus Parks]

But no matter how it all went down, Steven was still charged with assault and was Therefore sentenced to 6 months in jail for beating up Rod. And the vampire community was none too pleased that Rod had gone to the cops.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Whoa. Bitch ass went to the fucking popo, huh?

[Marcus Parks]

He went to the cut. He went to his mom first, and then his mom took him to the cops. And then Rod told him all about the console. Stephen, it beat me up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, well, we better. Let me get my holy water.

[Ben Kissel]

Six months for beating him up.

[Marcus Parks]

Six months? Yeah, man.

[Ben Kissel]

Dude, if he was a normal kid, nothing would have happened.

[Henry Zabrowski]

None.

[Marcus Parks]

Absolutely not. No. If he was a football player who would have beaten up Rod Ferell? He would have gotten a pat on the back.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. They would have given him a beer.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

It would have been like, oh, there. Had to go. Leave him alone.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Now, that brawl was only the beginning of the altercations that occurred between Steven and Rod prior to the murders that Rod committed. And they very much threatened to escalate in a big way, because when he was sentenced to six months in jail, he didn't go to jail right away. He had a little bit of time before he had to do his time in county. See, Ste.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See, that's a dangerous time.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, it is. Now, Steven had gone back to saying that his character was 2000 years old, because, remember, Rod was pissed off in the beginning because he. Now Steven's changed his character back. Oh, actually, I'm 2,000 years old.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I am actually 2,000.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah, because they made up, and they kind of started to create a shared lore, and that this happens a lot in this story where these people will. Will get together, they'll build their own lore, and then they'll merge that lore with one of their vampire friends. And in their shared lore, that's literally.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The game of vampire, the masquerade. That's like what you're supposed to do in the game.

[Ben Kissel]

Also, what's months when you're 2,000, baby?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly.

[Marcus Parks]

That's right. In their shared lore. Steve and Rod had known each other in their dreams for centuries before they finally met in person in Murray, Kentucky.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. The height of evil, the capital of.

[Marcus Parks]

Decadence, as Rod put it. He'd been calling to Stephen through the land of dreams for 500 years.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I still.

[Marcus Parks]

Steve and. Hey, Steve, where you at?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, Steve.

[Marcus Parks]

Hey, Steve. I'M over here.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, Steve.

[Marcus Parks]

500 years of that. And it had taken 500 years for Rod to walk from Steve's dreams into his physical life in Kentucky. Now, all this fussing and a feuding that Rod and Stephen were going through.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah, all this tugging in and rustling, all this sucking Ana fighting, it.

[Marcus Parks]

Had broken Rod's heart. Especially because it happened. I mean, it only happened eight months after they had spent 500 years trying to find each other in the land of nightmares.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I wish we had done some sort of conflict resolution in our dreams or something. That seemed more like, I don't know, some kind of getting along thing because, well, it seemed to work out. The dreams were nice. Hey, Steve.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, since Rod was so heartbroken, he devolved into a puddle of tears in front of the whole group during a Vampire the Masquerade session one night, he shrieked for Steven to kill me.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Kill me.

[Marcus Parks]

I can't stand it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Kill me.

[Marcus Parks]

But Steven tired of Rod's bullshit. At long last, he rejected him completely, declaring that Rod had betrayed them all by going to the fucking cops.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He did.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And Rod was therefore banned forever from these gatherings.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

And in response, Rod made a bunch of threats about invading Steven's dreams.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I'm gonna show you my dick and my dreams.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, no, wait.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You wanna see my butt?

[Marcus Parks]

I already showed you my dick. And he loved it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Whoa. I guess I'll show you evil Helen Mirren. What else can I pull up?

[Ben Kissel]

That's also the name of my ass.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, look at it.

[Marcus Parks]

And he also said a lot of violent shit besides that. But at this point, Steven finally dropped the ass act. At long last, he yelled at Rod to get a grip because nobody here is actually a vampire, Rod, so you can't just kill people and expect to get away with it as if it all was real.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You saying that like I'm some kind of vampire.

[Ben Kissel]

I'm currently about to go to jail for just choking you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, it's very real. You fucked my life up because your dumb ass thinks you're a vampire.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, really, that six months since it might have derailed Steven's entire life?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, very much so.

[Marcus Parks]

It probably did at this point.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, as it often goes, this was not quite the end of Rod and Steven's relationship. Even though Rod was banned forever, he was more like banned for a week. And he showed up from time to time for masquerade games in the months.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Afterwards, which also showed that Rod had a foot outside the game, too. He definitely had a. He knew what was going on Too. He never actually thought he was a vampire. He's not a vampire. He doesn't actually believe in it, but he's just sticking to kayfabe because he's the most emotionally immature of a group of people that are some of the most emotionally immature people in the United States of America.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, well, I think you can. I mean, you can convince yourself of fucking anything. Sure. And I think he did convince himself. Himself that he was a vampire. And I think he did convince himself that it was real.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Sure.

[Marcus Parks]

But the relationship between Rod and Steven, and therefore Rod's relationship with the Victorian Age Masquerade Performing Society, all that finally came to an end when Rod began engaging in casual animal cruelty. One night, as Rod, Steven, and some of the other Murray State kids were hanging out in the woods playing a game, a stray cat happened upon the group. According to Steven, Rod grabbed the cat, and after putting a quote, evil grin on his face, Rod slammed the cat against a tree over and over again until the cat died. Now, goth kids will accept a lot of shit, but one of the things that this community will not countenance is cruelty towards a cat. These are cat people.

[Henry Zabrowski]

These are cat. This is a cat society. Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

So that night, Rod was kicked out of the group for good. Good. And his bond with Stephen Murphy was permanently severed.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I will see you in hell.

[Ben Kissel]

Do you think that was the day before Stephen went to jail? They listened to Steven's Last night in town.

[Marcus Parks]

No way, dude. Ben Folds Five. That's for the. Like, those theater kids tried to get me to listen to Ben Folds Five. It's stupid. Except that song Brick made me cry. Because I remember. I remember that time that I took sh.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like, sanded to get a fucking abortion. And we didn't want to, but we had to.

[Ben Kissel]

That album fucking sucks. But if you want to put it on, I'll listen.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, the reason why Rod and Steven's relationship is important to the story is because I think that Steve, he sort of kept Rod in check. Because once Steven was out of the picture, Rod escalated his rhetoric, his lore, and his plans for the future. See, Rod Ferrell did not stop playing vampire just because Stephen Murphy and the Murray State kids didn't want him in their game anymore. Looking to form his own vampire clan, Rod reconnected with two childhood friends who'd also been dabbling in goth culture. These friends were Matt Goodman and Scott Anderson.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, Matt and Scott. The two most. I know. They will help me build my vampire empire.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, both of these kids, they're. I don't know they seem to be pretty much your run of the mill goth kids before Rod Ferrell supercharged their darkest impulses. Matt and Scott, they're the type of kids who hung out in graveyards while they tried to one up each other on who knew the goriest details about Jack the Ripper or Jeffrey Dahmer. They spent a lot of time talking about they could totally kill somebody if they wanted to. To. If they wanted to.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. That's how we all met.

[Marcus Parks]

That is how we all met.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

But Rod Feral knew how to take these perfectly normal, violent teenage impulses and funnel them into the fantasy world he'd already created with all the other vampire kids in Murray. It's sort of like how militaries funnel violent teenage impulses through patriotism to create soldiers. It's the same principle. Now, Rod offered Matt and Scott the opportunity to feel a little bit of power. Power. And this was enticing because both Matt and Scott were lifelong outcasts with very real problems. Scott Anderson, for example, was a foster kid who'd been shuffled back and forth across the country multiple times before he'd finally landed in Murray, Kentucky. He was very much an awkward teen, 16 years old, with a mousy mustache, frizzy black hair, and thick glasses. This is your nerds. Nerd heard. But through Rod Ferrell, Scott found a way to feel both cool and powerful while also gaining a sense of family. In another life, I think Scott Anderson probably would have just been a Juggalo.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that would have. This is what these guys. This what this whole crew needed with ICP.

[Marcus Parks]

They really did. And this is, like 1996. So it's like right before Great. Malinko really hits.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, you. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Clowns. I'm like, no, no. Okay. I'm not gonna get into that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. But I do. They needed icp.

[Marcus Parks]

They did.

[Ben Kissel]

They had, like, ozone. They were, like, a year away from finding a community.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Limp Bizkit was almost there. Yeah, well, that would have even yet.

[Marcus Parks]

No. Limp. Limp Bizkit, I don't think would have been great for these kids. I think ICP would have been wonderful. They would all become lifestyle. It is no family. Go to the gathering. Have fun.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah, yeah. Plus, the drinks are cheap. Faygo.

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Now, Matt Goodman was much the same as Scott Anderson. He was also a total dork. So when Rod started talking to them about possibly being vampires, it didn't take much convincing to get them to buy into the narrative.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Anything but this. Anything but what I am. Okay.

[Marcus Parks]

Sirod had introduced Matt and Scott into the world of vampires by saying that he'd, quote, unquote, researched true vampiric lore at the library, which, according to Rod, was totally different from the bullshit you see in those lame fucking movies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They hide him in books because books are hard.

[Marcus Parks]

Once Rod convinced Matt and Scott to believe in the fasago Persona, Ron started teaching the them, quote, unquote, martial arts.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I would have paid hundreds and hundreds of dollars to see this sequence of events.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, teaching them martial arts.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Come on now. Now, this is how you. This is how you use a nunchuck. It's like this. The kick. The kick. The perch won't work. You'll make a fine vampire suck.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, this mostly involved the three of them hanging out in the woods, farting around with weapons they made themselves.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Themselves.

[Marcus Parks]

Because Rod told them that they had to be trained when the dark army finally came. Yeah, and I, I. You know, me and my friends used to do this. We would, yeah, we would clap. You know, we would make out of, like, scrap metal and, like, hit each Other with it, you know, clash. So it was a lot of fun.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

But from what it's.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I mean, they are getting kind of old for it though. Funny.

[Marcus Parks]

Funnily enough, I was not doing this at 16.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

This is something you do at like 12, 12, 13, 14 at the latest.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah, at 16 we had shitty boxing gloves. We're beating the crap out of each other, each other in garages.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it was like moving on to ladies at that point. Sure.

[Marcus Parks]

Now from what it seems like Rod was trying to create a bloodlust within Matt and Scott by having them pretend to do battle with the so called forces of evil in the woods.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Okay, look, the trees is a reanimated skeleton.

[Marcus Parks]

All right?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now kick it. Get it.

[Marcus Parks]

Kick it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Kick it.

[Marcus Parks]

Kick.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now punch it.

[Marcus Parks]

Which that makes no sense because it seems like the whole point was that they were the forces of evil.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, it's. But yeah, we are one of.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, cuz evil is cooler than good because good is dumb.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, evil's awesome because evil's evil.

[Ben Kissel]

We're Skeletor and they're the Horde.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Okay.

[Ben Kissel]

It's a different type of evil.

[Marcus Parks]

But regardless of the inconsistencies, Rod would have Matt and Scott imagine that they were battling demons and gods with their homemade swords all while Rod chanted from his so called books of magic in order to further blend fantasies, fantasy and reality.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Where are the guys in big cowboy hats to bully these people into breaking their dreams?

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, don't worry, they were there. Like, that's the thing is that these. I actually kind of respect these vampires because they were bullied so fucking hard all the time and they did not budge.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I agree. Honestly, I even take that back. I think that in normal circumstances this is awesome. Yeah, this is an awesome story.

[Marcus Parks]

No, the way, some ways, the way that it's supposed to go is that you get bullied. Bullied. You endure it and you leave because you get bullied. And then you grow up somewhere else.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And you glow up in another city. And it's an amazing time. You'll have an amazing time.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah. And they everyone else there, there's such bullies. The only stakes they have, they put them together and they set them on fire.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep. That's tasty though.

[Marcus Parks]

Very tasty. And so within months, if not weeks, Matt and Scott were sired into the vampire world and given their vampire names. Matt would become Dame's while Scott was henceforth known as Nosferatu.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Which shows that he didn't actually follow the manual because he knows that Nosferatu is just a clan.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, is that this is after Vampire the Masquerade.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Jumping off.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So he's just ripping it off in a. In a shitty way for them.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Well, I think. I don't know if Raw. It's unclear at this point. Like, after he left after Rob, I.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Don'T think he read the manual.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, after he left the group, I don't think he had the manual. Maybe he did, because I know he did because his mother said that it was a satanic tome.

[Henry Zabrowski]

She might have got it written if gotten rid of it. But it's like 20 bucks at the time. That was big money for him. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

But I think what Rod's doing with these new kids is. I think he's just kind of going off the cuff.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, definitely.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah. Now, while all this again, sounds innocent, if not just downright silly, Scott Anderson as Nosferatu. He would be standing next to Rod Ferell when Rod beat Heather Windor's parents to death with a crowbar. Meanwhile, Stephen Murphy had continued playing Vampire the Masquerade without Rod. Rod. And it even managed to replace Rod with a new kid.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, everybody. Just, you know, Rod's gone. Here's Eric.

[Marcus Parks]

Yep, his name was Eric. And together, Eric the. The bloody together Steven's clan continue to haunt ye old vampire hangout. Hardy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, it is difficult and hardy. Give me the Frisco breakfast sandwich. I literally looked over, and I. I now understand that you're looking at the Hardee's menu, because I was just looking it over while we're doing the show, and I just see burgers. Like, are you looking at hamburger porn while we're working?

[Ben Kissel]

I'm just trying to build a pun.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I just understood that it's tardies. I was just like, bro, we're gonna fucking get lunch.

[Ben Kissel]

I swear, they do have a hot ham and cheese. Now, what I don't understand about the hot ham and cheese, it's either 270 calories or 1430 calories.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That just depends if you want the ham or the cheese. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

With Stephen hanging out with Eric at Hardee's, this naturally caused Rod a lot of problems. For how powerful could he really be if he were to suddenly find himself not hanging out at Hardee's for that is where vampires in Murray, Kentucky, go. And if he is not at Hardee's, then is he really a vampire at all?

[Henry Zabrowski]

If I'm at the Dairy Queen, am I a vampire, or am I just some poser?

[Marcus Parks]

No, no, no, no. I'm a werewolf if at the Dairy Queen, if I'm at the McDonald's, I'm.

[Henry Zabrowski]

A ghoul yes, and if I met the Long John Silver's eyes From underneath the waters oh, man.

[Ben Kissel]

Poor Stephen. When he got to la, did he know where to go when Hardee's was.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Called Carl's Jr. What the fuck?

[Marcus Parks]

I bet it took, like, five years for him for someone to finally say, like, you know, that's Carl's Jr.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I miss. I'm here to meet Carl Senior. I want to ask him.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, because of this, whenever Rod and his new vampires would appear at Hardy Steven's vampire clan, they would go quiet. Apparently, Steven had made it very clear to Rod that Hardy's was his clan's territory, and the front door of Hardee's was a boundary that Rod was forbidden from breaking.

[Henry Zabrowski]

If I was this manager, I would put a fucking bullet in my head so fast just dealing with this every fucking day. Dealing with these fake vampires and Hardee's, the regular clientele, the Murray Carpenter. Hardee's is not gonna be fucking a batch of rays of sunshine, I imagine.

[Ben Kissel]

I imagine they were referred to as these motherfuckers many times.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, as far as Steven was concerned, by going to Hardee's, Rod had, quote, defiled the most ancient pact because Rod had forfeited his right to patronize Hardee's in a previous unrecorded battle.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh.

[Marcus Parks]

So when Rod continued to desecrate his vow to never return to Hardy, Rod and Steven declared vampiric war on one another.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The town will never be the same. He sent you to jail. How are you still playing pretend? I don't know. Yeah, beat this shit out of him. Beat the living fuck out of him. Just do it. Why are you around.

[Marcus Parks]

Now? I'm sure the college kids who were just playing Vampire the Masquerade to sharpen their improv skills became quite dismayed when they found themselves in the middle of a townie power struggle. Because as someone who went to school in the college town of Lubbock, Texas, I will say from experience that this sort of shit gets real. See, townies, no matter where they are, they take turf wars very seriously, even if it does involve just a bunch of poncy goth teenagers arguing about who gets to hang out at Hardee's. For example, after Rod declared vampiric war on Steven over the Hardee's beef, Rod actually made a fair amount of Molotov cocktails that he planned to use to blow up the cemetery while his rival vampires were playing the masquerade. This action was actually so serious that Sandra betrayed her vampire oath and actually reported it to the police. Said, I think Rod's planning on blowing up the town. And the cops actually staked out the cemetery where the college kids played for nights on end while waiting for Rod to strike.

[Ben Kissel]

And they sent Steven to jail.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I love it. You know, honestly, watching them play, I just. You know, sometimes I wonder and I watch them go back and forth, and I think I understand. Understand it. I think I'm. I'm a Malkavian. Yeah. I think I most understand the idea of being both, you know, truly prophetic. But my bank, my bane being insanity is one of the hardest parts, is the fact that I just go completely schizophrenic, and it ruins my dice rolls.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, that's interesting because I had you pegged as a brujah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know, I thought at first I could be a brujah. And I thought. I looked on it and I wanted to be sort of like. My goal was to be a former of bigger chested kind of. It's like I wanted to be a sinewy lady.

[Marcus Parks]

Right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But I think now I want to be Malavian because I want the all specs ability.

[Marcus Parks]

All right. It's great. So does that mean that we can finally just admit that we love each other and get out, leave our wives and get out of here?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go to Cabo. Let's go. We could be gay in Mexico. I heard St. Louis. Here we go. Let's go. Filler up. Let's get on the highway.

[Marcus Parks]

Now. Molotov Cocktails is, of course, far more of a serious action than one would expect to be taken when you're talking about the inner squabblings of a college improv group. But it is something that might actually happen in a gang war, which is what Steven and Rod were actually planning. But thankfully for the college kids, Rod got distracted from trying to burn all of them alive because he was going through all kinds of drama with his vampire girlfriend, Charity, who was toying with the idea of trapping Rod with a pregnancy because they were constantly breaking up and getting back together.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The single vampire travels farther Old Easy Keezy. I'm catching siege like I'm a sparrow.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah. They got into all kinds. Like, there was one drama where she told him that he. She was pregnant. Bun. She actually wasn't. He said, no, you can't be pregnant, because I already, like, got this girl pregnant down in Florida, and she had the baby, but then the baby died in a car accident and it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So it sucks. The baby died in a car accident.

[Marcus Parks]

It didn't happen. Wow, he's lying.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, aside from his personal dramas, Rod decided that instead of making war on his rival vampire clan, he was going to focus what energies he had left on forming stronger bonds with his new crew. Whilst also engaging in more animal cruelty. As you can see, Rod Ferrell is starting to ramp up towards committing violence against actual humans. See, in mid October 1996, Rod and possibly one of his vampire friends is very unclear. They broke into a local animal shelter and badly mutilated two of the dogs. Reportedly rob, ripped or cut the lens from the animal animals and ostensibly use the parts and the blood in some sort of half assed ritual. And of course, the townspeople, when they talk about it today, they talk about it like they discovered like they talk holocaust. They talk about it like we would talk about like Bohemian Grove.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, like the most evil things in the world happened outside of this animal shelter.

[Ben Kissel]

I mean, it's pretty evil.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's evil, but you know, when it comes. But it didn't involve Satan.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, it didn't involve Satan and. Yeah, and it didn't involve. Involve like the sacrifice of children. But they do. It's their local lore. Definitely.

[Ben Kissel]

And that one doc trigger warning for that. They love showing the pictures of the dogs.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, and then the other dog. But then it's funny because they showed one doc showed all the pictures of the dead mutilated dogs. No pictures of the victims. The other one shows all the pictures of the victims, none of the dead dogs. So I got it all. Yeah, we got it all.

[Marcus Parks]

But what's interesting about the animal mutilation is that Rod did not involve his entire crew. Because it seems to me that Rod actually knew that the other kids would not likely participate in violence with the same glee as him. Even against animals.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Actually, especially against animals.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And I think he also learned with the cat incident. See, the crew that Rod had put together were all down for casually talking about killing this person or that or talking about violent things in the abstract. But they would start to get whopped when Rod would talk about specific fantasies to kill real people. For an example of how the clan liked to differentiate between reality and fantasy. They'd listen to Rod tell stories all day about how demons, man, demons. They would chop up my immortal body for a meal. They sawed off my head and they served my heart for dessert. But I came back from it because I'm immortal. And that was super cool.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, it's very violent.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Cool, Rod. Yeah, yeah, that sounds great, Rod.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, they'd hang on his every word and they're like, yeah, yeah, wow, that's awesome. Tell us more. But when Rod would say that he wanted to chop up actual people into bite sized bits and cook them up like they were animal meat, his fellow clan members would try to change the subject because that was just a little bit too real.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What do you think Charles Manson would have for lunch?

[Ben Kissel]

The crazy part is like, I know he killed two people, but like, I still don't believe that he would.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, of course.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, he did.

[Ben Kissel]

Like I still think he's that much.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Of a coward, but that's the key. Nobody did.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Now, By October of 1996, about a month before the murders, Rod's crew included his newer vampires, Matt and Scott, aka Damian and Nosferatu, along with his 14 year old girlfriend, Charity. Now, Aphrodite Jones takes a pretty sympathetic view of Charity because charity was a 14 year old girl. And Aphrodite makes it seems like all Rod had to do to bring Charity into the fold was tell her that he loved her.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I mean, I could see it a little bit, you know, she's just, that's not, let's just say she don't got a lot going on in the brains department. But that's the thing. And she's a child.

[Marcus Parks]

But that's the thing. So Rod used the same manipulative techniques on the kid who would stand right next to him as Rod murdered the Windorfs. That kid was Scott Anderson, who by this point was answering only to Nosferatu.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh God, I would just want to just beat the shit out of him so bad.

[Marcus Parks]

Sirod knew Scott's history as a foster kid and he absolutely took advantage of Scott's intense need to belong to someone. Something that felt like family. As such, it didn't take long for Scott to buy into the vampire story harder than anyone in the so called clan. Scott fully believed that Rod could cast death spells, that he could reanimate the dead so he could drink the so called blood of the damned. And that Rod had, quote, forbidden knowledge that led to eternity.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're stuck in Murray, Kentucky. If he had any power, you'd be anywhere else.

[Marcus Parks]

Ah, but that knowledge, sir, is forbidden also.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Why does he have it?

[Ben Kissel]

They embalm dead people so there's no blood.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, well, that's a long story.

[Marcus Parks]

They reanimate the dead. They're not just appears, they're not thinking that far ahead.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. They don't know what happens.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

Embalming fluid, though. You can get fucked up on that.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You can get real up on that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And so, within a relatively short period of time, Scott was made the number two vampire in Rod's class.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. You're the doo vampire. Yeah. Do vampire. You suck, not blood. Hey. No, no, I don't. I'm. No, sir. No. Yeah. No. Sp2 as a number two. No. No, that's not what he said. No. Yeah, that's you, bro. No, I'm vice president of the vampire. No, fat two.

[Ben Kissel]

That's you, man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm dangerous. Here's some beans, big boy. I'm a fucking immortal creature that needs to feed on the blood of the innocent.

[Marcus Parks]

The cracks in Rod's vampiric facade threatened to show when Scott would sometimes ask uncomfortable questions like why?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Why aren't you vampire now? Change the rule back.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Come on. Change the rule back. Change the rule, wolf.

[Ben Kissel]

Wear your teeth.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Come on.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. It was a logical question. Questions.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You got to bring your casket to the Hardee's to order.

[Ben Kissel]

Seems like there's a lot of garlic in that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

But Rod had all the skills necessary to come up with a reasonably satisfying answer on the spot every time.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Listen, I know how to talk to idiots.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. For example, when Scott asked Rod why Rod bled if he was an immortal, Rod would say that it was because he was born a human, but he had been possessed by a demon as a child in a satanic sacrificial ceremony. So while his physical body did indeed belong to Rod Ferrell, the immortal soul that inhabited it was Vassaga.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. To Bet Bet.

[Marcus Parks]

Taking it further.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No Cap. No Cap.

[Marcus Parks]

Taking it further. Rod said that he was actually many different people, in addition to being a descendant of the Egyptian God Osiris. And it was only a matter of time before Rod took over the whole universe anyway by turning off all the satellites and plunging the entire world into darkness. And all this really fucking matters in the end, bro.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, but Bet Bet. No cap, bro. No cap, bro. Yeah, bro.

[Marcus Parks]

In other words, Rod was unfortunately a lot smarter than Scott. And Rod knew how to say confusing things that sounded good in such a way that asking follow up questions would make Scott feel like an idiot. Or worse, like a novice for not knowing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So, like, when you take over the universe and stuff, like, I get a job, right? Like, what am I going to do?

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, Nosferatu. Jobs in the future, as in now, as in the past. Jobs are not jobs. Jobs are Merely prisons. They are merely these things, these constructs.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Sorry, I'm an idiot. I'm a fucking idiot.

[Marcus Parks]

You are. I prefer the term novice.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm just a neonate bitch.

[Ben Kissel]

This fake conversation between you I know is smarter than the conversation they had and it still angers me.

[Marcus Parks]

Since Scott was Rod's number two, Rod quickly brought him up to speed on his other vampire clan down in Eustis, Florida that if you'll remember, was made up entirely of two teenage girls named Heather and Janine. The girls, by the way, had since taken the vampire names of Zoe and Celeste respectively.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They could have chosen any names in the world and they chose two regular ass human names, Zoe and Celeste.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. Now in order to bond Scott to him closer, Rod gave him quote unquote possession of Heather, saying that Heather would become Scott's so called dark mate when Rod finally managed to get his whole clan together in one place.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But she's white, right?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah cuz like my mom's super.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Angry if I did, if I tried it one time I brought even a Hispanic girl home, she got flipped out. Crazy man.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah bro, cuz I'm like, I'm not real racist but like my mom is and it's going to cause like problems.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And bro, no, she's white. Go, go, go, go.

[Marcus Parks]

Cuz it's my mom.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not me. No, I know it's not me, it's my mom. I know, I know, I know. Oh, I made sure she's white translucent Now.

[Marcus Parks]

Scott had actually gotten into the vampire role playing just as hard, if not harder than Rod. So once Rod gave him permission to pursue Heather, Scott began writing her letter to flesh out his own character even more. Scott claimed that he was 10, 17 years old.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Why does that make him the dumbest of all of them?

[Marcus Parks]

It really does. 10:17, it's makes me angry.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm twice as old as you, plus my regular age.

[Marcus Parks]

Twice as old as you plus my regular age plus one. Because he was 16.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh my God.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he. But like Rod, he had chosen to reincarnate into the body of a 16 year old boy in small town Kentucky.

[Ben Kissel]

Every vampire street.

[Marcus Parks]

Scott also wrote that his likes were traveling and bagpipe music.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What is he? What is this person? Yeah, I know.

[Ben Kissel]

That's because corn was popular.

[Marcus Parks]

Actually I thought about that. It's 1996, so I believe in 1996 the first corn album had just came out. And I don't know know if there is bagpipe on the first Corn album.

[Ben Kissel]

Isn't daddy the last song I Think that's on.

[Marcus Parks]

I think that's on the second one. I think that's on. Life is peachy.

[Ben Kissel]

Oh, okay. I could be wrong.

[Marcus Parks]

You probably are not. I. I probably am, but yes, it could very much be a corn thing. Yeah, but that's the Aphrodite Jones listed Scott's likes, didn't list his dislikes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, his dislikes were like reading, growing, knowing things.

[Ben Kissel]

Real friends.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Not being a vampire.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes, reality. Now, as opposed to Rod, Scott liked to get into the deep cuts of vampire lore. At times he would tell Heather that he was a psychic vampire who fed off souls without having to kill. While at other times he'd say that he was a half human, half vampire, like Blade, a creature known as a dhampir.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I've never heard of a dhampir.

[Marcus Parks]

I've heard of a dhampir.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The only dhampir I can think of is if you. If you turn Louie Anderson into a vampire. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

They're just describing those wettest underwear.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I am a vampire.

[Marcus Parks]

Besides letters, Rod and Scott would call Heather and Janine on the phone for sometimes eight hours.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, well, that's. That's something our. The. Our constituency. If you're too young, you might not understand what it's like talking to your interstate crush for eight hours and just leaving the phone off the hook. Just listen to them breathe. They'll do stuff in the background.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah, it happens. And you're doing it with your friends and their friends show up and it's just like a fun time. But the problem is that Rod ran up long distance bills so high that Rod's mother got her phone shut off.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Once again, reality comes crushing in.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, astral project that shit. During these calls, though, Rod would bind the four of them closer together by saying more outrageous shit. Like the time he told Heather that he was calling from New Orleans and he had just killed someone and ate the body and ground the bones into powder.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Sounds nice. That sounds fine. Nice. But I left the powder out and it's so moist down here, it just got soupy and now I'm all fucked. I'm so sorry you gone through that.

[Marcus Parks]

Rhodey would also tell Heather and Janine other ridiculous things. Like he told them that Scott was possessed by a female demon who had fucked Jesus during a seance, and Scott was therefore gonna give birth to the antiquarian Christ, presumably through his butt, someday soon.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's crazy. That's bad for Scott. I hope he's got butt insurance, but I guess it'll just being a wine Pire. I guess he'll just kind of. I guess, but will magically open up his butts.

[Marcus Parks]

Open up when you have. No, but I don't know if they.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I never took Jesus in my butt.

[Marcus Parks]

I have not either. And you know, I never. Do vampires defecate.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I did. I did earlier today because I do too.

[Marcus Parks]

And I was wondering about that because I still defecate too much.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I defecate quite a bit.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah, I shift blood. But I think I have a different problem.

[Marcus Parks]

I think you need to go to the doctor.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're losing blood. Honestly, you're gonna have a blood loss problem. So you need more blood.

[Marcus Parks]

But, you know, it's important to note that while Rod was talking about Antichrist butt, baby, you know, and they're also, you know, they're listening to Marilyn Manson, listen to Antichrist Superstar. All four of these kids are laughing about it just as much as any other group of teenage kids are gonna laugh about something when their friend is talking shit, when he's saying something stupid and just going off on things. But I think the laughter is key to what was about to come. See the ridiculous things that Rod was saying about killing people and demon possession and such. These were mixed in with everything else with conversations about Heather's day at school or how Rod's mom sucked. It's regular teenage shit. So none of these kids knew when to take Rod Ferrell seriously. Furthermore, I think that Rod mixing everything together, that also gave these other kids license to mix fantasy with their real life as well. Because after all, they're basically all engaged in an extended off book session of a vampire role playing game. For example, Rod told Heather about his black mass molestation story, which itself was a kayfabe, which itself was a story, a lie told off of another girl's molestation story. But Rod claimed that years later, Heather built on his molestation story. And she would talk about how her parents as if they were monsters as well.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because you want to get along. You're trying to join.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, you're trying to join in on the game. He would say that they were abusive. He would say that her father molested her. He would say that they were evil and that she needed to be raped, rescued. In reality, the Windorfs were a perfectly normal family. These, they were quintessential. It was a quintessential American Florida family. They got a mopey goth daughter and a popular cheerleader daughter. But I think that Heather liked pretending that her parents were evil.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Do you know how many goths I met in this way. Yeah, this is a very common stripe.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah. My parents. Oh, my God, my parents are so evil.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, it's like. It's very common because it's like. It's just kids because you don't understand your parents. Are they. They gotta be mean to you?

[Marcus Parks]

Well, kids are already dramatic like teenagers are already dramatic in the first place. But when you take that teenage drama and make it goth, it gets so much bigger than it already is. Basically, Heather Windor filtered the teenage emotions that everyone has about their parents through a dark goth fantasy lens, which she borrowed from Rod Ferrell's dark goth fantasy. But the problem is that while no one knew when to take Rod seriously, Rod took what Heather said about her parents seriously enough to murder them. Or at least that's what he claimed. And so it's with Rod's trip down to Florida with his vampire crew to finally commit the murders of Heather Windorf's parents that will return next week for the conclusion to the Kentucky Teenage Vampire Clan.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm just glad this is out like this because truly, every other piece of material I've read about this talks seriously about satanic grand groups running through Kentucky, and I can't handle it anymore.

[Marcus Parks]

I cannot either. They are not satanic. They are a bunch of poncy goth.

[Ben Kissel]

Kids just playing Pretend Daddy was the last song on the first Corn album, and it came out in 1994.

[Marcus Parks]

There you go.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, there you go.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So that's why he liked Bag.

[Ben Kissel]

That's exactly why he liked bagpipes, because it was on the child molestation song.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The Corn Man. So many things just snap together.

[Marcus Parks]

94. I thought the first corn album was 96, but I think 90. Yeah, I think Life is Peachy was 96.

[Ben Kissel]

I think it came out. Yeah, it was Life is peachy is 96.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And then Adidas came out after that.

[Marcus Parks]

Adidas was on Life is Peachy. And no, after that was Follow the Leader, which would have been. I think that's 97.

[Henry Zabrowski]

98.

[Marcus Parks]

98. Yes. And then issues was 99.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow.

[Ben Kissel]

I dropped out on Issues.

[Marcus Parks]

Issues was the last. Last good one. The issues falling away from me is actually I will consider. It's as I always say, corn's not good, but you should listen to corn.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Just guys just know that this is what happens when you grow up. This is goth growing up.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This guy's both talked endlessly about corn. Back in the day, you'd be destroyed. Destroyed for talking about corn. I was looking kindly upon Concord.

[Marcus Parks]

I just pulled into my 16 year old.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. That's very good. You would have been great with these kids.

[Marcus Parks]

I practiced that so much when I was a kid when I was alone in my car.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, I bet.

[Marcus Parks]

And sometimes. And sometimes with my brother. Because my brother also really loved corn. We, like, listen to it together. And my buddy Aaron, too, also.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Let's call your brother and have him do it.

[Marcus Parks]

I don't think he would want to because I did the voice.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh. Because he's got a family.

[Marcus Parks]

See this thing? I did the voice and it made him. Him laugh and he liked it. He thought it was funny, but, you know, but not in a bad way.

[Ben Kissel]

You know, it really is raspy. Steven Tyler.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow. That's amazing.

[Marcus Parks]

It's the same thing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He stole it from Steven. Yeah. Well, go to Patreon to watch this. Filmed inside of a basement. We want to say thank you again again to Round Table Studios here in Asheville, North Carolina. Thank you guys for the setup. It feels like home. Go to the Patreon. You can pay for all of our horseshord patriot.com Last podcast on the left. You can watch us do a bunch of stuff. We have new stuff coming out there all the time. And we're going to have. Just so you know, we have a lot of announcements that you're about to get slathered with. And go to last podcast on the left.com to see us live.

[Ben Kissel]

Yes. September 20th, St. Paul, Minnesota. October 11th 11th, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. October 25th, Oakland, California. November 29th, Cleveland, Ohio. And December 12th and 13th, Portland, Oregon. And keep your ears close because I heard that we're gonna start doing dates for next year soon.

[Marcus Parks]

Yep. Yep. We're working on our calendar for next year as we speak. So if there's a city out there that y' all think we should come to, you let us know.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Let us know. We're looking for smaller markets and we can't win.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah. We've done all the big cities and we want to start going to some smaller ones next year. We have not done Philly side stories.

[Ben Kissel]

Did Philly, but we haven't done. Philly's a lot of fun.

[Marcus Parks]

Philly's a lot of fun.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's on the list. We love you. Hell. Sweet. Wow. Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Right at the end.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm so close. Hell. Sweet. Satan. Satan doesn't want to kill dogs.

[Marcus Parks]

No. Hell again. Satan loves dogs.

[Ben Kissel]

Yeah. Yeah. He's got a three headed one.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

Most could be the most annoying dog possible.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He literally had a giant dog. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

And hail. I can't believe I'm gonna say this. Jonathan Davis.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

I think he's okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I think he's all right.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ben Kissel]

I haven't heard anything horrible.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. I heard no gations. No gations on him.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I think. I think corn's good. And, you know, hail Monkey as well.

[Ben Kissel]

Who's Monkey?

[Marcus Parks]

That's one of the other members of corn. Oh, yes. Yeah, exactly. I think. I think one of them became Christian. I think Head. Yeah, Christian.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's hard on the road, but if you different.

[Marcus Parks]

But if you really want, you know, they're from Bakersfield, California. If you really want some fun, go check out the furniture store that one of the members of CORN did for a local Bakersfield furniture company. And it's incredible.

[Ben Kissel]

That's amazing. All right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See you, fuckers. Peace. Bang.

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[Henry Zabrowski]

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