Episode 636: Aaron Hernandez Part III - Fourth & Forever

Summary

Last Podcast on the Left

Episode 636: Aaron Hernandez Part III - Fourth & Forever
Release Date: September 26, 2025
Podcast Description: The Last Podcast on the Left dives into real and imagined horrors, exploring demons, cults, serial killers, and more, blending dark humor with thorough research.

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Overview

The final installment of the Aaron Hernandez trilogy brings the story to its tragic close, examining the unraveling of Hernandez’s life after his football success, culminating in murder, trial, and shocking aftermath. The hosts (Marcus Parks, Henry Zebrowski, and Ed Larson) navigate the personal, social, and systemic factors behind Hernandez's downfall, focusing particularly on the murder of Odin Lloyd, the investigation and trials, Hernandez's life and death in prison, and the broader cultural context of football violence and American sports hero culture.

Tone throughout is darkly comic, irreverent, and empathetic for the victims, with pointed barbs at institutions that enabled Hernandez and football culture at large.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Leadup: Paranoia, Drugs, and Impulse (04:44 – 13:00)

• Recap: Aaron Hernandez is deep in a spiral of violence, drug abuse, and paranoia after escaping charges for multiple alleged crimes, most recently the attempted murder of his friend Alexander Bradley.
• Paranoia: After shooting Bradley, Hernandez descends into hypervigilance — installing security, buying an arsenal, contemplating armored cars — but "nobody has stepped to Aaron Hernandez at this point. This is all in his own making." (07:36, Edwin)
• Consequences-Free Life: The hosts highlight how from high school on, Hernandez was shielded from consequences, whether by school officials, coaches, or handlers. “He had never experienced a single set of consequences.” (08:44, Henry)
• Drug Use and Escalating Behavior: He begins openly abusing drugs and living recklessly — “Openly making calls to buy drugs in the Patriots locker.” (08:07, Marcus)

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2. The Relationship with Odin Lloyd and Manipulation (10:33 – 13:50)

• Odin Lloyd: Introduced as the partner of Hernandez’s fiancée’s sister, described universally as a good, calm man. “Everyone liked him. That is the one thing . . . a parade of people talking about how good of a dude Odin Lloyd was.” (10:53, Edwin)
• Aaron as Manipulator: Odin is drawn into Aaron’s world via generosity mixed with dominance. “Everything’s transactional . . . he throws money and lavish things at him all the time while treating him like he’s less than him.” (11:35, Henry)
• Toxic Personality: The hosts discuss “learned helplessness” and tantrums controlling those around Aaron, with his “king baby” behavior. (11:44, Henry)

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3. The Night of the Murder: Breakdown and Motives (13:08 – 28:11)

• Club Rumor Incident: June 14, 2013, a fight breaks out between Aaron and Odin at a Boston nightclub; the cause is unclear, but Aaron is spiraling, seemingly seeing enemies and threats everywhere.
• Hernandez’s Delusions: "He doesn't know how to process the feelings of being guilty," (15:02, Henry) — his brain is “made out of Wagyu.”
• Drug Cocktail: The group is using “hard drugs . . . Molly, GHB, whatever the team gives him for his pain.” (16:20, Marcus)
• Morning After: After a wild night, Aaron uses Odin’s phone to send a strange, guilt-ridden text to his fiancée, indicating paranoia and possible confession.
• Motive Speculation: The hosts theorize that Lloyd likely knew too much — whether about Hernandez’s crimes or personal secrets — and that Aaron’s lethal paranoia, fueled by CTE and drugs, sealed Lloyd’s fate. “If you’re right next to Aaron Hernandez, bad shit's gonna happen to you.” (12:50, Edwin)

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4. The Murder of Odin Lloyd: Evidence and Arrest (26:45 – 41:14)

• Bungled Cover-Up: The hosts note how sloppily Hernandez covers his tracks:
  • Lloyd is killed in an industrial park a mile from Aaron’s house, shot six times (28:19, Marcus).
  • Key evidence includes DNA on a “last blunt,” rental car keys in Lloyd’s pocket under Hernandez’s name, and bullet casings. “It’s like cops can’t even place evidence that well.” (28:42, Henry)
• Text Messages as Smoking Gun: The volume of texts incriminates Aaron. “Thousands of Aaron Hernandez texts. They were just delivered to them.” (26:17, Henry)
• Police Investigation: A storm almost washes away the crime scene; police work quickly, using rental car evidence and a sequence of tips and betrayals to build their case.

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5. The Trial: Damning Evidence and Defense Theater (47:51 – 61:00)

• Trial Highlights:
  • Footage from Aaron's own home security system links him to returning with the murder weapon. "He didn't delete the footage properly." (50:44, Marcus)
  • Cell phone destruction video and 2,000 pages of texts are presented as evidence. (51:30, Marcus / 52:00, Henry)
• Defense Strategy: The defense, forced to admit Aaron was present, makes a bizarre last-ditch pivot, blaming the murder on Aaron’s friends and using a “PCP expert” (56:47, Henry hilariously lampoons this).
• Outcome: After six days of jury deliberation, Hernandez is found guilty. “They might have just spent six full days going, holy shit, can you believe how bad Aaron Hernandez is at murder?” (60:38, Marcus)

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6. Life in Prison and the Final Days (61:01 – 85:00)

• Prison Life: Aaron adapts shockingly well: joining the Bloods, making friends, getting special treatment from Patriots-fan guards, maintaining his “king baby” persona with honey buns and stoner food creations.
• Notable Anecdote: Aaron’s love for reading Harry Potter in jail is repeatedly mocked. “He’s reading his Harry Potters . . . What the f---, I hope hell Hermione gonna kiss the other guy.” (48:07, Henry)
• The Abatement Loophole and Suicide:
  • In a complicated legal twist, Aaron hangs himself on April 19, 2017, possibly to void his conviction so his family could pursue Patriots contract money via "abatement."
  • He leaves cryptic messages: John 3:16 in blood, and "Illuminati" in his cell. “He did it the hardest way possible. . . . That’s the dumbest way to commit suicide I’ve ever heard.” (82:46, Henry)
• Quotes:
  • “Just those words (John 3:16), not the full verse.” (82:05, Marcus)
  • “Once he set his mind to something, he did it.” (82:46, Marcus)

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7. The Question of Hernandez’s Sexuality (87:02 – 90:26)

• Media Frenzy: Posthumous stories about Aaron’s relationships with men explode. High school friend Dennis San Susie and cellmate Kyle Kennedy both claim intimacy; Ryan Murphy’s “forbidden love” stories are dismissed as unsubstantiated.
• Host Analysis: They agree that any closeted behavior may have contributed to internal turmoil, but “I really don’t think that him being closeted was what led to any of this. No, I don’t think it had any bearing. . . probably increased the pressure and it. . . may have definitely had something to do with the suicide, but I don’t think it had anything to do with his crimes.” (90:11, Edwin)

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8. Broader Reflections: Football, CTE, and Consequences (95:19 – 102:14)

• CTE and Football Culture: The hosts link the violence to CTE and institutional permissiveness, tying in the similarly violent fates of Hernandez’s high school teammates and the toxic, traumatic environment of high-stakes football in America.
• Personal Connection: Marcus Park contextualizes with his own violent and traumatizing football experience, showing how football culture can foster dangerous behavior and “teach” the wrong lessons through lack of consequences.

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9. Aftermath: The NFL and America’s Football Problem (102:14 – End)

• The NFL’s Response: The Patriots, EA Sports, and other sponsors move quickly to erase Hernandez from memory. But the underlying issues — player exploitation, violence, cultural enablement — remain.
• Ticket Price Rant: Marcus rails against the NFL’s increasing exclusivity, political posturing, and hypocrisy, noting the league’s treatment of player protests and rapidly rising ticket prices.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Hernandez’s consequence-free rise:
  “He had never experienced a single set of consequences. . . he failed a test, and they just let him retake it.” (08:44, Henry)
• On Motive and Paranoia:
  “If you’re right next to Aaron Hernandez, bad shit's gonna happen to you. Like, he's gonna turn on you eventually.” (12:50, Edwin)
• On crime scene evidence:
  “God, it’s like cops can’t even place evidence that well.” (28:39, Henry)
• On his jail adaptation:
  “He even referred to his cell as cozy.” (48:01, Marcus)
• On sexuality myths:
  “Was he gay? Was he bisexual? Truth is, we'll never really know for sure because the only person that could tell us, Aaron, is dead.” (88:22, Marcus)
• On posthumous legal maneuvering:
  “As long as you kill yourself before you’re guilty, it doesn’t count.” (86:31, Henry)
• A final commentary on football’s culture:
  “I got better things to do than get hammered and yell at a television in my own home like Yosemite Sam.” (106:27, Marcus)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Topic | Timestamp (MM:SS) | |--------------------------------------------|-----------------------| | Aaron’s paranoia and lack of consequences | 04:44 – 09:33 | | Manipulation of Odin Lloyd | 10:33 – 13:50 | | Night of the murder, paranoia escalating | 13:08 – 28:11 | | Evidence, police investigation, arrest | 26:45 – 41:14 | | Trial highlights & defense tactics | 47:51 – 61:00 | | Hernandez in prison and suicide | 61:01 – 85:00 | | Sexuality and media narratives | 87:02 – 90:26 | | NFL aftermath and CTE reflection | 95:19 – 102:14 | | Closing thoughts on football culture | 102:14 – end |

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Memorable, Darkly Comic Exchanges

• On Aaron’s reading habits in jail:
  “He’s reading his Harry Potters . . . What the f---, I hope hell Hermione gonna kiss the other guy. I was rooting for Harry Potter.” (48:07, Henry)
• On the murder weapon “blob” on camera:
  “She played dumb as well, saying that it looked like a black blob.” (53:57, Marcus)
  “That’s some kind of black blob. He always had some . . . collection of black blobs.” (54:04, Henry)
• On Hernandez’s last days:
  “He jammed his cell door shut with cardboard, opened his Bible to John 3:16, wrote John 3:16 on his forehead with red ink . . . then he used his own blood to write John 3:16 on his cell wall and drew a crude pyramid with the word Illuminati written under it.” (82:01, Marcus)

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Conclusion

Episode 636: masterfully weaves together chilling true crime, forensic procedural, and searing cultural criticism — all with the irreverent, deeply researched style that defines Last Podcast on the Left. Through the lens of Aaron Hernandez, the trio indicts not just one disturbed athlete, but the American systems — football, celebrity, masculinity — that enable tragedy. The closing segments connect the story’s horror to their own lives and the broader phenomenon of football in America, inviting listeners to reflect on what we revere, support, and excuse.

Final Word:
Aaron Hernandez was both a uniquely troubled individual and a reflection of larger American failings. His story, the hosts agree, should serve as a warning — not just about one man’s fall, but the consequences of a culture that worships violence, covers for abusers, and treats young athletes as disposable gods.

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Summary prepared for those seeking a detailed, engaging breakdown of the entire episode, capturing its content, spirit, and unforgettable moments.

Transcript

[Henry Zebrowski]

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[Marcus Parks]

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[Edwin McCain]

There's no place to escape to.

[Henry Zebrowski]

This is the last on the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? It is to be. It is up to me. Got get in the character. It's me a Nando. I'm so. Oh, sad. I think it's cuz I did all the murder. At least I got all this time now in jail bleeding my Harry Potter's. Oh man. Was you my girlfriend? Serious. So serious. Thinking of reading stuff.

[Marcus Parks]

I love when you do all the research.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Did you actually. I didn't hear that one section from Aaron Hernandez. Did you hear that when he asked for the Harry Potters? Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Can you tell me the Harry Potters? He's just like. I was like if that isn't what the CTE shows, like if that doesn't come through, he's sitting on in jail. You know, I was kind of thinking I'd like to know what those redhead kids do, what kind of shenanigans they're up to. Different magic chicks.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm reading this James Patterson book which is, you know, it's pretty good.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's a.

[Marcus Parks]

It's.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You're reading James Patterson?

[Marcus Parks]

Well, he wrote the Aaron Hernandez book. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm reading, I'm reading this book and he's talking about what Aaron liked to read in jail. And then of course he's like, he loved Alex Cross and he's like listing the authors he liked and he listed his name like it was. And James Patterson like, it's like, you fucking piece of shit.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I like the. My favorite. My favorite movie in the world. It's good. You got the guy who played Shawshank. He's all serious. Catch the criminals and all eyes cross.

[Edwin McCain]

You to go to the last podcast on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the man that is deep into his character, Henry Zabrowski.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's me, Henry Zabowski. See, I practiced every day real hard.

[Edwin McCain]

I hated the voice when you first started doing it. It's grown on me now.

[Marcus Parks]

It's weird.

[Edwin McCain]

It really is weird how much it's grown on me.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. You're welcome.

[Edwin McCain]

And we have the man who has taken us on this journey through three parts, this journey through high school football, through college football, through the NFL and beyond. We have Ed Larson.

[Marcus Parks]

Man, I am ready for. For this to end. I hate your job, Marcus.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It sucks, right? It's the harvest of our job.

[Edwin McCain]

What's funny is that, like, I'm. I can't wait to get back to my job.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like.

[Edwin McCain]

Like, I. I really do miss it. I miss it. I can't wait to get back to writing next week because we got Goddamn. We're coming back next week with something huge.

[Marcus Parks]

Hell yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

Big. And I can't wait to get back to it. But you've been doing a fantastic job, and I've really been enjoy. I've been enjoying being on this side of it. But I do miss my writing.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, man. You know, I miss it too. And you know, I can't wait to smoke the biggest Aaron Hernandez size blunt when I get out of here. Celebration.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Nothing like a blunt that makes me a little bit more easier to do.

[Marcus Parks]

Crime.

[Edwin McCain]

I was actually today, leading up to this recording, I was just kind of, like, sitting there in my house, like, listening to Jimmy Smith, like, listening to a jazz record. I was like, is this what life is like for them? Just waiting for me to be done?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, I'm really yelling doing other shit. All right, here we go. Come give it to us, Eddie. Lay it down.

[Marcus Parks]

All right, you piece of tubby. When we last left, our superstar, Aaron Hernandez, he just gotten himself mixed up in an old Jamarino of the highest.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Order after legal term.

[Edwin McCain]

Jamarino?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, Jino, you know, Jamarino, he's got liver disease now. He used to quarterback for the Dolphins. Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He taught me how to bottom.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, after presumably murdering two men for almost no reason in the middle of the streets of Boston, he had tried to kill Alexander Bradley, his best friend, by shooting him in the face in West Palm Beach, Florida, with two up dudes named Papu and Soldier. Somehow, Bradley Took a bullet to the head and came out alive but down an eye.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Hey, honestly, things to see out there. It's a rough news cycle.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't, don't approach him on the right. You might get shot.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

He is skittish.

[Marcus Parks]

He's now trying to figure out how to take his revenge through either murder or extortion. Him and Aaron got into some text battle exchanges for the ages with misspellings and punctuation galore.

[Henry Zebrowski]

My emotion. I love you. Good night. I love you. Hope you get some good sleep. I love you. So I shot you about you.

[Marcus Parks]

I give Bradley a pass. You know he's down an eye. You. What are you going to do now? Aaron's out in LA rehabbing his shoulder, but he is spiraling out of control. At home, at the bars and in his own mind. The only good thing that comes out of this time were a couple of stellar incubus tattoos and a Camry all full of guns.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Hey, do guns. Don't just get in them cameras accidentally. You got to fight for that.

[Marcus Parks]

Now let's get back to New England and get ready for the upcoming season. And Aaron is trying to pretend he's got nothing bad going on. But inside his own CTE pot riddled brain, he's prepping for the worst.

[Edwin McCain]

I mean, just think that this guy is. I mean we've all seen the pictures of his brain. I mean it is absolutely. And the guy smoking weed 24 hours a day, it is not good in any way whatsoever.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

At the time when they, when they checked on his brain after he died, he had stage three CTE and Dr. McKee said it was the strongest case of CTE she had ever seen in someone his age.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

How many stages are there?

[Marcus Parks]

Four.

[Edwin McCain]

Four. What happens with stage four?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Stage four, I do believe you turn into pure energy. You go Super Saiyan. I think once you go Super Saiyan and that's when you kill the entire football team.

[Marcus Parks]

Aaron dropped thousands on security cameras inside and outside his house. He's building an arsenal of guns and is even in the process of buying an armored car at this time.

[Edwin McCain]

And it's also safe to say like nobody has stepped to Aaron Hernandez at this point.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I've been threatened to buy anyone. This is all in his own making. He is a man did shoot a.

[Marcus Parks]

Gangster in the face.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

So I will say he is paranoid, but this is a time when.

[Edwin McCain]

But he, he shot a gangster in the face.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But he's having, but he's having text exchanges.

[Edwin McCain]

They like of you good Night.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Good night.

[Edwin McCain]

As far as like text exchanges between, you know, a guy who's been shot in the face by the other guy, it's pretty fucking cordial.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he's back in town and he's chilling with all the same characters at this point. TL and Tanya Singleton, Carlos Ortiz, and of course Bo Wallace, who seems to be his go to guy at this point when it comes to getting shady ass shit done. During this time, Aaron's drug use is at an all time high and he wasn't even hiding it anymore. Openly making calls to buy drugs in the Patriots locker.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Did you see all of the various letters we got from people that had experiences with Aaron Hernandez throughout high school?

[Marcus Parks]

No, I don't get the side stories. Email.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, I got it.

[Marcus Parks]

You got to send those to me before I write the script.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, it's just seems like that would be highly relevant information.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, a lot of it. The problem is a lot of it's hearsay. And I don't want to just say things that people say necessarily. But to be honest, it wasn't a heck of a lot of information. Other than the fact Aaron Hernandez was a total piece of shit that has always gotten away with every single thing. Yeah. No matter what it was. And stuff like this he was been doing since high school. Like he's been literally. They said that he failed a test. There was like some test he failed and they just let him retake it. You know, I mean, like, stuff like that. Yeah, they would do stuff where, if they knew there was one, where they knew he was going to fail a midterm. They sat him out. He went and sat in the administration office to not take the test so that he could prepare later on. Take like it took very. He's never, he had never experienced a single set of consequences.

[Marcus Parks]

Dude. One of my coaches, Coach Gambino, he was the driver's ed teacher and he's like, just sign up for driver's ed in summer school. Don't show up. I'll give you an A. We'll bring up your gpa.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes. Nice.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, man. But you see, at this point, there's like a hole in Aaron's life. Alexander. Bradley. Bradley, of course, had a new hole of his own. Hernandez needs a new bestie. Someone he could trust, someone he can relate to. Someone that can roll a sticky ass blunt and be just a little bit worse than him in Madden.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's why I met my new friend. Have you seen him? His name is Mr. Snuffinopicus. He's a magical Elephant. He says all types of stuff like stuff like kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill. Ha ha. You crazy. That's what I say.

[Marcus Parks]

He's so violent. That Snuffleup again, he's crazy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

His first part of his name is snuff.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, the dude who's gonna fill that hole is his future brother in law, Odin Lloyd. Odin was a landscaper by day and semi pro football player by night. These Jenkins girls certainly love their football players, I'll tell you that much.

[Edwin McCain]

They do. And Odin Lloyd, you by all accounts, good dude.

[Marcus Parks]

Everyone liked him like that.

[Edwin McCain]

That is the one thing that in every single documentary that you see about Aaron Hernandez, you just have a parade of people talking about how good of a dude Odin Lloyd was that just kind of dazzled by fame.

[Marcus Parks]

Unfortunately happens he was enamored with the fact that him and one of the best players in the NFL were potentially about to be in laws. Aaron used to refer to Odin as the blunt master. And the blunt master is down for whatever Aaron wants to. And just like everyone else that knew Hernandez, Odin starts putting Aaron's wants and needs ahead of his own. But Aaron's doing that classic manipulator thing. He's throwing money and lavish things at him all the time while treating him like he's less than him.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Everything's transactional.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, it's, it's, it's transactional. But Aaron Hernandez has that learned helplessness.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Edwin McCain]

That a lot of these guys end up having. Where people.

[Henry Zebrowski]

King, baby.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. King, baby. Where people just end up doing shit for him. There's no consequences and they just, they. Everyone just coalesces and does whatever the.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Fuck he wants because he's got a lot of resources. And every single time something doesn't get done for him, he throws a massive temper tantrum. And that makes everybody walk on eggshells around him. And that's when he's becoming more and more out of pocket. And everybody. Nobody wants to deal with it. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Also everyone lets him get away with because whenever he does up and he knows it, he'll buy you something. Of course he'll give you some money. You know, it's like, ah, you know, he's not that bad, but it's just like a way for him to get away with doing horrible things. Aaron rented Odin a Chevy Suburban. Odin. See, he's too broke to have his own ride. You know, he gives him all the weed he wants. And most important, certainly Shayana and Shanaya are happy. Their men are getting along so well. This should have worked perfectly. And other than Aaron's erratic, violent behavior, the real reason Odin couldn't fill Alexander Bradley's shoes is because he was just, by all accounts, a really calm, nice man.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, the normal guy.

[Marcus Parks]

It is really is a goddamn shame.

[Edwin McCain]

But what it shows you is that it doesn't matter if you're a good man or, you know, someone of questionable moral character like Bradley. If you're right next to Aaron Hernandez, bad shit's gonna happen to you. Like, he's gonna turn on you eventually.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He grinds through people.

[Edwin McCain]

That's just the way he does it.

[Marcus Parks]

Everyone in his life. Yeah, like, has to deal with some kind of bullshit, and he's usually the center of it. So we're looking at June 14, 2013. Aaron, Odin and a crew of friends are out partying. A club rumor in Boston. So, outside the club that night, Aaron and Odin were seen in a verbal altercation. No one really knows about what, but we all know it could have been about anything because of how unstable Hernandez was.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Everybody knows. The Purple Teletubby is the nicest part. Everybody knows, and I will have you tell me anything different. Okay? Purple Teletubby. Pen Teletubby.

[Marcus Parks]

Yo, there's apartments above us, bro. Calm down.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Homie.

[Marcus Parks]

Homie, it's okay. It's okay. He just lost the super bowl.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So.

[Marcus Parks]

But the rest of the night, Aaron and Odin stayed away from each other. The tension was thick in the club. It felt like the beginning of Belly up in that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Odin's trying not to let it ruin his night.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Green ass fucking Teletype.

[Marcus Parks]

Hell, yeah, man.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know that dude. I like that green ass Teletubby that, man that.

[Edwin McCain]

You know my favorite, the baby.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's why I like that. Like that grin and baby son, because that so sits gonna be all right. That's what I like. I like seeing that little smiling baby son. Because I know all that gonna work out.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, man. See, like, everyone got along with Odin. Everyone liked him. And he. He's like it. He just made some new friends and he starts hanging out with them at the club. And Hernandez, paranoid as ever, believes these men to be the friends of Daniel de Abreu and Sofrio Furtado. Those dudes he recently killed over a spilled drink at Club Cure, which, by the way, is one block away.

[Henry Zebrowski]

See, I could see him. His brain is porridge. He. He's filled with drugs and alcohol. He's legitimately now almost hallucinating. Yeah, I would say it's at this point where he is saying stuff like this because he's so. He doesn't know how to process the feelings of being guilty. Yeah. And so I think that he's just doing the very classic thing of seeing the people that you murdered everywhere, and you're haunted by it. Yeah. And you can't put the two together because your brain's made out of wagyu and you can't figure it out anymore. Like, you're literally like, all that stuff's get mismatched and you don't understand what's reality and what's not anymore.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

And I just. That, you know, but he's also dealing with, you know, that extreme ADHD that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Edwin McCain]

So he's hyper focused on this shit.

[Marcus Parks]

He's.

[Edwin McCain]

He's hyper focused on every. On his possible guilt, someone trying to catch him. You know, maybe the FBI is around, you know, all kinds of shit.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They should be.

[Edwin McCain]

They should be. But they're not.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, no, nobody. Nobody.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, he's.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He literally got away with it. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

And, you know, adhd.

[Marcus Parks]

And he would have to if he didn't keep fucking up, if it wasn't.

[Henry Zebrowski]

For those meddling kids.

[Edwin McCain]

And ADHD breeds paranoia. Yeah, it very much breeds paranoia. So it's just paranoia on top of paranoia on top of paranoia.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, it's not just weed anymore. It's drugs. It's like hard drugs. It's. It's Molly, all the party, they're just doing it all.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And they, like, they're casually using ghb, they're casually using stuff like that. That's just like.

[Marcus Parks]

Not to mention whatever the team gives him for his pain.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So it's time to leave the club at this point. Odin and Aaron, they make up enough to get in the car together. Yeah. Along with their barber, who they had out for a couple drinks. And they're sitting in the parking lot smoking a blunt as you do. And Hernandez spots his babysitt, Jennifer Fortier.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, she gonna tell my mom.

[Marcus Parks]

She's sitting there coming out of the club. She's got her hot friend Amanda with her. And he offers them a ride to their car and then basically kidnaps them. He ditches the barber and takes them back to his Franklin apartment that the Patriots rented him to keep him out of trouble.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Best part about this apartment being super close to all the trouble is that I could bring the trouble there. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

No, you. They rented him this right now next to the bars.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's gonna make him better. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

It's not right next to the bars. It's kind. I'm sure there's bars close by, but it's kind of far away. It's kind of sort of the stadium.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, but the weird thing is that it's like not a nice apartment. It's not a super nice apartment complex. It's a very like middle of the road, regular ass apartment complex. One of the documentaries, they talked to a woman who was his neighbor and she's like, yeah, I, I don't watch football, but there was a lot of weed being smoked in there.

[Henry Zebrowski]

A lot of marijuana.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, so much she thought there was a skunk in building at one point to explain to her what it was. So Jennifer, the babysitter, she's extremely uncomfortable in this situation. Her phone's dead and it's just not her scene. She don't like up apartment drug dens as much as the rest of us. To each their own, I guess.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. I mean, sadly. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

At one point, Hernandez disappears into one of the bedrooms and he calls her over there to makes her sit on the bed with him and then he kisses her.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Little kiss for you. Thank you.

[Marcus Parks]

She rejects his advances because she's his nanny and. But he doesn't push the issue and.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He just says I understand, no hard feelings that everybody could be into the oh, Hernandez.

[Marcus Parks]

And then he just passes the out. Odin's also passed out in the living room and Jennifer takes her friend's phone and calls a cab. Gets the hell out of there. In the morning, Aaron uses Odin's phone to text Shayana.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I up again. I didn't mean but got drunk I'm up and oh took care of me some how told him about the other spot. Not just woke up bugging and on.

[Marcus Parks]

My way home, you know, some people think Aaron became suspicious of Odin because he knew of his infidelities. But Shayana herself admits she knew and understood that Aaron was unfaithful. Maybe he told Odin about the murders outside Cure or about shooting Bradley in the face down in Florida. But one thing that was for sure at this point point, he did not trust Odin anymore.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Then you should change your name to Loki, God of Mr. He's the most untrustworthy of the Norse mythology.

[Marcus Parks]

It's also been theorized that Aaron may have made a pass at Odin as well that night. No one will ever know what happened after these ladies escaped Aaron's trap house. But the next evening, Odin Lloyd would be dead.

[Edwin McCain]

My theory as to how this went down is that, you know, we talk about the difference between Odin Lloyd and Alexander Bradley. So Alexander Bradley, you know, he's a gangster. He's, you know, he's very well acquainted with violence and living a morally gray lifestyle.

[Marcus Parks]

And Aaron kind of looks up to him too.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He kind of probably a little bit intimidated and kind of excited by him in a way.

[Edwin McCain]

Very much excited. But I mean, he, Aaron Hernandez purposefully surrounded himself with people like that to make himself feel tougher. But Odin Lloyd, by all accounts, like I said, he was a good dude. And I think that Aaron Hernandez may have misjudged how Odin Lloyd might respond to Aaron saying, like, yeah, I've killed two people and I shot my other friend in the face. Yeah, I would imagine Odin Lloyd did not respond very positively to that, if that's what happened.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, so here's my question. Do you pair? You got a new buddy, soon to be brother in law, the single most tenuous and suspicious relationship. Yeah. Right. Your brother in law and you are always going to get in some kind of trouble. Yeah, the brother.

[Edwin McCain]

I don't get into any trouble with my brother.

[Marcus Parks]

My brother in law is a heart surgeon, so he doesn't do anything.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But I'm just saying brother in laws are by far the most problematic relationship in any family.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm the problematic guy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Brother in laws are the hard ones, right?

[Edwin McCain]

They can be.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. See Odin, like do you. When you're gonna talk to your new, soon to be new brother in law and you lead with, I murdered two guys in an impulsive move because I thought they were casing me. And then also maybe what if we. You ever see that movie with the cowboys? And then if, and then like when did you layer those two together? Like, like, is it one, then one? It's like, what. What's the fastest way to move your brother in law out of the room? I'm not quite certain.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, also Odin Lloyd, nice guy that he is, this is something that I deal with a lot. He's a big crazy looking dude and.

[Henry Zebrowski]

People fight in you.

[Marcus Parks]

People say horrible shit to me all the time thinking I'm also horrible.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know how.

[Marcus Parks]

And I'm just like, hey, I don't appreciate that, you know, and you gotta let.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm a comedian. That has been an offensive comedian for so long. But it is so funny to meet people that when they hear you're a comedian and then they just. There was a Florida lawyer I once was talking to on behalf of my parents and as soon as he heard I was a comedian, he was going through my socials. He just started with the F words, like really getting great. And I kept Being like, I'm a comedian, not a homicide detective. Like, this is not like. You have to kind of think about this where, like, I just sometimes say inappropriate things. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

I look at the world and make observations.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

I. I don't think Aaron made a pass at Odin. I. I think that he tried to make him another Alexander Bradley, and Odin was. Well, just like, I'm not. That's not my scene. I don't like. And he probably looked very uncomfortable, and he may have even said, like, hey, that's up, man.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

And.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And now he's looking at you different.

[Edwin McCain]

Now he's looking at you different because Aaron Hernandez, very, very paranoid. He's thinking, this guy's gonna turn me in. Maybe this guy's gonna try to kill me before I kill him.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Edwin McCain]

Who knows where his fucking mind went?

[Marcus Parks]

He says something stupid. Odin Lloyd's like, I don't like this. And then he's like, fudge, you motherfucker. That's probably the argument.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

My opinion.

[Edwin McCain]

Oh, yeah. No, no. I've been around people like Aaron Hernandez in my life, and they turn on a dime, and it's very fucking dangerous. Got to get. You got to get out of there.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Don't hang out with scary people. No, Please.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Unless, of course, they bring you to fun things or give you stuff.

[Marcus Parks]

All right, so It's Father's Day, June 15, 2013. Aaron's on the phone with his agent, Brian Murphy, trying to figure out what to do with Alexander Bradley's $1.3 million extortion.

[Henry Zebrowski]

If I was Aaron Hernandez, I'd pay it. Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

He just got a shit ton of money.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I would pay that money, you know?

[Marcus Parks]

But he's like. He's like, you won't do it for some reason. And then Bradley just texted him.

[Edwin McCain]

Don't understand why, if he was man enough to shoot me, you ain't man enough to compensate me. I guess I'm a bitch because when I think about you, I cry.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Wow. You. You make a me cry. Why are you saying stuff? I come. Sensitive stuff. You know, I'm with you no more.

[Edwin McCain]

No, you're not with me. But I still look to the stars, and your eyes stare back.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Whatever. Sometimes I think about the way. What we could have been and the path we could have taken, but we have diverged from that. And so I love you and good night. There is a whole series of other.

[Marcus Parks]

Sentimental pleas for money and through te. But, like, as sentimental as they were, there was a lot of words that we shouldn't say on the show.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like what?

[Marcus Parks]

So Aaron continued to deny that he had ever even shot him. And he refused to pay him anything. You see, two days earlier, Bradley had actually filed that civil lawsuit against Hernandez. And Aaron was doing whatever he could to get out of it quietly and without paying. And it seemed to be going well. The agent Murphy was talked Bradley's lawyer into voluntarily dropping the lawsuit.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's because literally, like, that dude's one of the most powerful sports agents in the world and knows how to scare the fuck out of some random ass lawyer.

[Marcus Parks]

Dude, Murphy is a fantastic agent.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Who you want you. Can you imagine? I. God, I just wish I could have committed a crime just so that I could have called Ken to get him to get us out of it. That idea, I can't even imagine how important you must be, dude.

[Marcus Parks]

To this day, Murphy's like, hernandez didn't do it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Like, to this day, he won't waver out.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's an agent's agent.

[Edwin McCain]

Even OJ's agent was eventually, he eventually had to say like, oh, we finally.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Get let go of his hurt stock. OG did it. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So Murphy's like, you know, if you put this lawsuit in the news, then we really have no reason to pay you, but if you withdraw it now, we can make a deal. And that bottom some time. He's good at what he does, man. Oh, yeah. So Aaron hit up Olden Lloyd to hang out that night. And right after he hung out with him. By the way, all of Aaron don't text anyone in a crime.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like, oh, like make the call.

[Marcus Parks]

You gotta call the talk.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You meet under a bridge.

[Marcus Parks]

They have thousands of Aaron Hernandez texts. They were just delivered to them.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Dumbest things I've ever heard.

[Edwin McCain]

It was like two days in the trial just reading his text messages.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And Sims go, damn. So who said that?

[Marcus Parks]

So he hits Odin. Lloyd up to hang out with him that night. And right after he hit him up, he hit a bow Wallace to get his ass over there because they got to take care of something. It's now after midnight. Odin's waiting for Aaron to come pick him up and he doesn't show up until 2:30am and he's got Wallace and Ortiz with him. See, I would have fallen asleep.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I've been like, sorry, Aaron, we'll play tomorrow.

[Marcus Parks]

He's excited, man.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I know.

[Marcus Parks]

I gave him a Suburban.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, also, now let's say maybe OD Lloyd knows he's a murderer. Yes.

[Edwin McCain]

Maybe.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And he's scared.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, of course.

[Edwin McCain]

I think he absolutely knows that he's A murderer get murdered at this point.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. So when Aaron's picking up Odin Lloyd in Dorchester, his sister Shaquilla spots him getting into the car. And Odin sees that, she sees him, and then he texts her, you see who I'm with? Aaron has gone full Eddie Nash at this point, all right? He's firing his gun out the window while he's driving. He's shooting at street signs, he's blowing through tolls, scraping the side of the car. It's bananas. All right, about, I don't know, 20 minutes go by. Something like that. Shaquilla finally texts back, sorry, my phone was dead.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Who was that?

[Marcus Parks]

Odin responds, NFL.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Just so you know.

[Edwin McCain]

And that's why I think that Odin Lloyd knew that he was a murderer.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He was. He knew that he was going to be in. He knew that he was about to go whacked.

[Edwin McCain]

He knew something bad was going to happen.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Definitely.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. That. And all he had to say was, NFL.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And that was his last text message of his life.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Odin Lloyd was then brought to an industrial park less than a mile from Hernandez's North Adelaide burrow home and smoked his last blunt with Aaron Hernandez.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, at least they have one last blunt together.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, my God. His DNA was on the blonde air. Both of them. It was like. It was like they. He handed them everything. Oh, he was such a bad killer.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's also this, like, because he's acting like he's in a movie. Yeah, he's in. He's not in reality anymore.

[Edwin McCain]

Oh, no. Well, he's. I mean, if he's ever been in reality.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Odin Lloyd's body was found by a high school student out for a jog there in that industrial lodge shot on Tuesday, June 18. He was dead, covered in flies, and shot six times. He had the suburban rental keys under Hernandez's name in his pocket.

[Henry Zebrowski]

God, it's like cops can't even place evidence that well.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, my God. This whole. This whole episode is just like, how bad he was at evidence.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. That's amazing.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, the problem is there's a. By the time they found him, there's a storm rolling in. So the police had to, like, act quick to secure the crime scene before it all gets washed away.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. They had to build, like, they built a whole tent city around it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Fly from your grave.

[Marcus Parks]

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[Henry Zebrowski]

Cool.

[Marcus Parks]

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[Marcus Parks]

So back at the Hernandez household, Shayana was comforting her sister Shanaya because she come over there to grieve the death of Odin. She cried herself to sleep on the couch and when she woke up in the morning, Hernandez was there and told.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Her, I've been through this death thing before. It'll get better with time. Time heals our wounds. You got on Stella. You just got a little. That things just. Chill out.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh. But when Shana was passed out, Aaron called the house and told Shayana to get rid of this black box he had in the house and to not let anyone see you. She would later claim she never looked inside the box and did what her husband told her to do and that she thought it was weed and. But everyone is 99% sure that the murder weapon was inside this box.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

And she somehow could never remember where the dumpster was that she threw it out in.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, of course. Yeah. Ah, you never know. It's so hard when you're Hiding evidence for your spouse. It's so hard to be thinking about it.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. Ride or die is the description they use with Shana all the time. Yeah. She stays with Aaron.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, all throughout.

[Marcus Parks]

She still. She changed her name to Hernandez after he died.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Jesus. Yeah, it's cuz again, she chose him. This is the person that is taking care of her and taking care of the family and she's decided that she's.

[Marcus Parks]

Going to go all the way down. Dude, her IG is so sad. It's just like pictures of her daughter with Aaron's like silhouette behind him and stuff. It's like, oh, go hate. Like I. I went down that rabbit hole and I was like, yeah. Well, Aaron's been driving another rental car that night. Nissan Altima. And he went to Enterprise to drop it off in the morning, get rid of the evidence. You know, it was dinged up from a wild night of driving through tolls. But he had bought the insurance, so at least he was in the Claire there.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, that's the best part.

[Marcus Parks]

The clerk though, remembered that Hernandez had offered her a piece of gum. She clocked it as weird because it was blue cotton candy flavored bubblicious. Why did an adult playful attitude. He just proves how much he never grew up.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. He's a kid. He's trapped in his own brain.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Well, also, he's still. He is a kid. He's 24, I think at this point. Later, when she inspected the car, she found that the same gum was stuck to the carpet on the floor of the car. She tried to get it off with a piece of paper she found there. And when she was down there, she also found some bullet casings that would match the casings found at the murder scene. Scene. Now these aren't the casings from the murder, but from when he was shooting street signs out the window like a lunatic.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, yeah. Don't worry. He left the casings from the murder at the murder scene.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Where they're supposed to feel comfortable. Yeah, yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

Where they're. Yeah, you gotta let them breathe.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And he wrote on them Harry Potters.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah's too stupid. Harry Potter. I should have all the More. That's. That's a. That's a forbidden name. Everybody know, everybody know Come look for more, more, more.

[Edwin McCain]

I love this rental car. Employed like this. Detective like this seems to be the same bubble gum that I was just giving my Aun Hernandez.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I've never paid attention to a single thing before. And I'll never pay attention to a single thing again. But that was one detail I'll always remember.

[Marcus Parks]

So at this point, the evidence was getting thicker than Shayana when she was pregnant.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Nice.

[Marcus Parks]

And thank you. And the cops were staked out at Hernandez's household. Right at the end of his driveway. Aaron's flipping out. He calls his agent, Brian Murphy, and asked for advice.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Murphy said, well, hey, if you're innocent, then go talk to the police, see why they're there. Yeah, come on, Aaron. Just go give it a. Go give it a college try.

[Marcus Parks]

It's a really nice way of asking.

[Henry Zebrowski]

If he did it. Yeah, well, if were innocent of the crime, you could just go and talk to the police.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, that's what you call gauging. Yes, gauging a response.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He's looking like this.

[Marcus Parks]

So eventually, Aaron got the courage to do just that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He.

[Marcus Parks]

Then they asked him if he had rented a Chevy Suburban. He said he had for his friend Odin Lloyd. And the question started flowing. And then Aaron's like, oh, I gotta go get my attorney. And then when he asked them why they were there, and then the cops told him they were investigating a death, Aaron then slammed his front door in their face with no response. Why did he not even ask who died? The cops thought that was odd, you know, and it was with that, the North Attleboro Police Department thought they had enough evidence for a search warrant. Hernandez didn't even get off the couch when they came to the door. And while they were searching his house, he eventually went downstairs and shot some pool in his man cave with Shayana's uncle before broke the rack. He turned to Shayana's uncle and said.

[Henry Zebrowski]

My endorsements are gone.

[Marcus Parks]

Puma run back to the mountains.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Cats couldn't handle the heat. Yeah, something about multiple murders really makes some of these advertisers pretty skittish.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So, yeah, the some guys will always be there. Good old choose a company.

[Marcus Parks]

Smith and Wesson would have been a great one for.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, huge.

[Edwin McCain]

As far as I know, the only shoe that was definitively linked to a mass murder was Keds. Heaven's Gate.

[Marcus Parks]

Really?

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, that's cool.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, they all work heads.

[Marcus Parks]

Good for them. It's not comfortable.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They weren't walkers.

[Marcus Parks]

All right. It's Wednesday morning. He drives the Gillette Stadium. The place was swarmed with reporters, helicopters circling the stadium. Aaron was officially a person of interest. Not exactly a good look with Coach Belichick and Robert Kraft, the owner. They question him in the weight room. Hernandez said he was innocent. He was at the club at the time of the murder. He's Just waiting for the time laden to prove his innocence. So he's got that, you know, so they're like, cool. But this would be the last time he ever spoke to Bill Belichick. When he got home, he was served a different summons. Alexander Bradley decided with all this Odin Lloyd news, it was time to file his lawsuit. And the always respectful TMZ broke the story that another man has filed a lawsuit on Hernandez for shooting him. Him. What was happening?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Tmz probably the most accurate news association on the face of the planet. I do not like that. Don't like. We've talked about this.

[Marcus Parks]

I spent the week on tmz.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes. Tmz, though, has the most correct breaking news. They're always first of any news organization ever.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, the police had a lot of pertinent questions for Hernandez at this point. Point. Why had he ordered a house cleaner special to his house on June 17? Super dirty, you know, why had his security system attempted to be destroyed?

[Henry Zebrowski]

It did itself. It was upset with itself, was committed with suicide.

[Marcus Parks]

Why did his lawyers turn in his cell phone in pieces?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Because that's how I found it. It was a Mr. Snuffleupicus, why are you stepping on my phone?

[Marcus Parks]

But he was still a free man. So he went back to Gillette Stadium. When the director of security for the Patriots saw him, he came over and was like, get out of here.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Why?

[Edwin McCain]

You just leave. It's time for you to.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, actually, I was just leaving. Oh, I should go.

[Marcus Parks]

So now it's Saturday, and the cop search his house again, and they find a bunch of guns, ammunition, and bulletproof vests. And then they got the break they needed. The Enterprise worker who found the bullets in the rental car car saw the news and had not initially reported it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's a G right there. Yeah, yeah, because the G he saw in a rental guard, he's just like, you know, what I don't want to.

[Marcus Parks]

Deal with was a lady. It was a lady. She said that she had found weirder things returned in rental cars. So she didn't question. Well, there was, like. There was like, a shooting range down the road. And actually kind of it happened before.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's actually. That's hilarious.

[Edwin McCain]

Four bullets. All right, fine.

[Marcus Parks]

But luckily, sanitation had not come to pick up the dumpster yet, and so the cops had all the evidence they needed. Now they had the matching bullet casings to the scene of the crime, attaching Hernandez to everything. But still, there was no murder weapon. So the cops started questioning everyone that knew Hernandez, including his bad boy crew of TL Tanya Wallace and Ortiz. Ortiz was on probation and his probation officer was one of the detectives wives. She let them know Ortiz knew Hernandez and had just failed a drug test for pcp. So they brought him in, kept him up for questioning and put him through a polygraph that he failed miserably. And he put Hernandez, Bo Wallace, himself and Odin Lloyd together at the crime scene. Together on the night of the murder.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I want to tell you, this is literally the highest score I've ever seen for a lie ever on this.

[Marcus Parks]

It kind of was like that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

This man's never told the truth. I actually don't know if he's mentally capable of understanding what truth is.

[Marcus Parks]

So they, they got him to cut a deal, you know, and he started and he's event now he's flipped on Hernandez. So finally the police felt they had enough evidence to confidently arrest Hernandez. They went to his house and took him to jail. Handcuffed with a white undershirt hastily thrown over his rippling tattoo chiseled chest. Sorry, just some horny adjectives to make sure the ladies are still listening.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, don't worry.

[Edwin McCain]

They're wet and the men are erect.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh my God. During the jury selection, one of the chicks who came in and then immediately just blurted out of her mouth, he's so hot.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And he's like, ha ha, you're right. So that air conditioning.

[Marcus Parks]

So Aaron Hernandez was now charged with the first degree murder of Odin Lloyd, along with six other crimes and processed into Bristol County Jail. Arraigned soon after that and denied bail, Hernandez continued to show little to no emotion during this entire process, which just seems to be what he does in intense situations.

[Edwin McCain]

No, he just shuts off.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, yeah. He doesn't feel anything.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, it's like he's just waiting.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Waiting.

[Edwin McCain]

He's waiting until somebody gets him out of it. And he knows that if he's calm and if he doesn't freak out, a.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Lot of times someone.

[Edwin McCain]

Not a lot of times. Every time up until this point, someone has come along to handle it.

[Marcus Parks]

He is pretty good at keeping his mouth shut. Yeah, that's like the one thing he's good at in this whole thing. Bo Wallace, he knew the cops are going to be looking for him too. So he hit up TL and Tanya, get him out of town. They drove him on back roads all the way down to Georgia, where they put him on a bus down the South Florida for Bo to hide. Two days later, TL Singleton drove off the road in Connecticut with his mistress while high on pcp Oxy coke and booze. He died on the scene. The mistress lived. Yay.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And that's another win for side Chicks go loose. That's too many drugs to be on and drive. Yeah. You know what that amount of drugs are? It's called taxi. Yeah, let's go get a taxi. I feel like that's easy to do.

[Marcus Parks]

I think, you know, he would have gotten away with it like Ted Kennedy. Because I feel like Ted Kennedy was doing those, but not pcp.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, anything but pieces. It's all of the normal senator drugs.

[Marcus Parks]

So a week after that, the Patriots are trying to distance themselves as far as possible from Hernandez. At this point, they fired him. He's gone. He's not on the team anymore. And then they offer a buyback program for Aaron Hernandez jerseys for the fans. The Patriot pro shop traded over 1200 Hernandez jerseys. And fans could pick any other cheater. I mean, Patriot that they wanted.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Man. Bill Belichick's laughing us all into the grave though, man, with this new 24 year old prison keeper dude.

[Marcus Parks]

He's gonna get fired from his college job.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, dude. Yeah, he don't give a anymore. He's getting his dick suck.

[Marcus Parks]

He is getting a couple extra million for basically nothing.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So Puma and Muscle Milk, they already dropped Hernandez loose. You know, Bristol Central High School and University of Florida removed any mention of him from campus. But then the biggest hit to Hernandez came. EA Sports removed him from Madden.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That has to just be like, my God, I didn't know I could ever experience. What is this salty discharge? What is this salty discharge? I cone of interest, by the way.

[Marcus Parks]

USC still has OJ Simpson's Heisman on display in their Heritage Hall.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You can't take away the stats.

[Edwin McCain]

Stick into the gun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You can't take away those stats.

[Edwin McCain]

I mean, it seems to be be the thing that Aaron Hernandez was most upset about was them taking his awards out of his high school. Like when you listen to the conversation.

[Marcus Parks]

Not really Florida, but his high school.

[Edwin McCain]

It was his high school he was.

[Marcus Parks]

So upset about because that's where his dad was. It's like a legend there. Then Hernandez name is a legend there.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And because that's. That was the base of his whole personal legend.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah. And this is also the same town where he's in jail.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So in Bristol County Jail, they kept Hernandez away from other incarcerated people for his own protection. Solitary, but not solitary type of deal. He was only allowed in the yard for one hour a day, but only by himself. He kept working out. He was like, I'm going back to the NFL. He's working out like a. He wanted to join Gen Pop so bad, he wanted to play basketball. But they're trying to figure out if that was a bad idea.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, it was a bad idea. Aaron Hernandez. This is jail. You're not f. It's not false. Because they also said the thing about Aaron Hernandez was that he had that ability to be, like, normal everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. And they said that when he was very likable. Yeah. And then when he went into jail, he got comfortable really quickly. He was all like, oh, wow. Kind of fun hanging out with the boys, going around playing different checkers made out of people, poop checkers out of. They're playing with that.

[Edwin McCain]

He adapted incredibly fast. He was very good at adapting to any. Anything.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, right now it's, like, assumed that he's joined the Bloods. Yeah. So everything's going on. They eventually let him join Gen Pop, and he took to jail surprisingly well. Just like you were saying. He even referred to his cell as cozy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. It's, like, nice the way he talked about it, you know, it's pretty nice. Pretty good. Pretty good.

[Marcus Parks]

He's playing poker, cribbage. He's reading his Harry Potters.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, my God. What the. I hope hell Hermione gonna kiss the other guy. I was rooting for Harry Potter.

[Marcus Parks]

His favorite snack. Two honey buns with peanut butter in the middle.

[Edwin McCain]

I don't know why that made me just gag when I read that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So sweet and disgusting.

[Edwin McCain]

Because I love huge. I love honey buns and I love peanut butter, but Christ is a child's.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Meal. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. It's like. Well, or. It's a stoner's meal, is what it is. It's like when I used to get. When I was in college, and I get two eggos, and I put peanut butter and jelly and cream cheese on them and eat those.

[Marcus Parks]

Those.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

They were, like, incredible.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know what is a really good stoner sandwich, my buddy? Eggo waffles. Ham and cheese. Whoa. Ham and cheese between two Eggo waffles. You put some syrup on that. That's the.

[Marcus Parks]

No boner check right. Now.

[Henry Zebrowski]

What do you put on?

[Marcus Parks]

A mayonnaise mustard?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Both. Both Mayonnaise mustard, maple syrup. Like a big fat piece of. Dude. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Damn.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, man. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

That sounds dangerous.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Real good.

[Marcus Parks]

You earned that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. I carved this body.

[Marcus Parks]

Hernandez also claims at this time that he was friends with the rats and mice.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, dude. I know I said, you guys made me feel like a.

[Marcus Parks]

Like I'm Cinderella, but He didn't like the cockroaches and spiders.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They're mean to gossip. They say mean things. They say things they don't mean.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, most of the guards are Patriot fans and enamored by him, so they turn a blind eye to his drug use. Even in jail, he's getting special treatment.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So the Odin Lloyd murder trial began on January 29, 2015. But it really didn't get going in earnest until mid February. Thanks to a series of weather related delays, A massive Snowstorm dumped over 24 inches of the white stuff on Fall River. But that paled in comparison to the mountain of evidence against Hernandez during that time. Brady Gronk and the rest of the Patriots won the super bowl again. Again.

[Edwin McCain]

I mean, so did I can't remember ain Hernandez, did he ever win a Super Bowl?

[Marcus Parks]

He never won.

[Edwin McCain]

He never won.

[Marcus Parks]

He was in one and they lost.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes. And like in his first season. Right. He was.

[Marcus Parks]

And then the next season they lost in the AFC Championship game to the Baltimore Ravens.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, but that's incredible that like the season that he was supposed to be like their $40 million guy, they would.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Have won the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't even need him.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, they didn't even need him.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Nope.

[Marcus Parks]

God, it's. I mean, they're so. They were so good. I hate them, but they were so good.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

A few years prior, as we just said, Hernandez had played in the Super Bowl. However, there might have actually been more cameras on him the night of the murder. There was extensive surveillance footage from outside businesses linking him to the scene of the crime. But perhaps the most damning footage was the security cameras at his own house. Hernandez didn't delete the footage properly. It showed him rolling up in the last car Odin Lloyd was seen in a few minutes after Odin Lloyd was killed and pulling out what appeared to be a Glock handgun, which, you guessed, it was the exact weapon used in the killing. On February 17, 2015, prosecutors showed a video of Hernandez destroying his cell phone the day after the murder.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh. Ooh, I can see everyone's watching.

[Marcus Parks]

There he is. That's it. He's doing it. Ironically, this is the same strategy Tom Brady would try not even three weeks later during the Deflategate investigation. It didn't work for either of them. The Patriot Way was effective for winning football games, not so much of getting rid of evidence. Interesting. Even though Hernandez destroyed his phone, prosecutors still had and presented 2, 000 pages of cell phone records.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Jesus Christ.

[Marcus Parks]

These files showed that Hernandez had asked Carlos Ortiz. Ortiz And Ernest Wallace to come home from Connecticut to Massachusetts the day before the murder saying that, quote, you can't trust anyone anymore. Well, it turns out that you can trust about half of the people because Ortiz ratted out Hernandez. In exchange for prosecutors dropping the murder charge against him, he pled down to a lesser accessory charge that got him four and a half to seven years instead of the life sentence he was up against.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, you call the guy who believes in loyalty of a group of guys that done a bunch of crimes together, and the one guy he says he'll never like, rat on his guys, what? That's the guy that goes down for the death penalty. It's that everybody else around you is going to immediately jump ship. Yeah. They are just going to dump your ass. Aaron Hernandez, they don't give a fuck. Like that's the thing. He thought he had all this power. Yeah. And then once it's all officially there, once the cops are involved, they're all flip, flip, flip. Adelphi.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, Wallace, on the other hand, didn't provide information or take a play deal. He took the case to trial and was acquitted of murder, but found guilty of similar accessory charges and sentenced four to seven years. These two men saw a fork in the snitch road, took different paths and ended up in the same spot. Really makes you think it does.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Life provides fate answers.

[Marcus Parks]

It's worth noting here that while they never found a gun, it's pretty obvious what happened. First off, like I mentioned before, Hernandez clearly has a gun in his hand shortly after he enters his house. The defense floated the theory that it could have been something else, like an iPad. But that theory falls apart when you note the size, shape, and the fact that it's clearly a gun. The prosecution showed the footage of Shayana Jenkins to get her take. She played dumb as well, saying that it looked like a black blob.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's some kind of black blob. He always had some. You know, Aaron with his collection of black blobs.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, well, you know, blobs are usually everywhere. Amorphous, un, undefined, you know. But in this case, the blob is noteworthy because it was shaped like a gun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, I had. The thing about it was that the blob is that it had a. It had a trigger that a handle. And the blob had what you'd call something like a. It's where the bullet comes out of a barrel. Yeah, it's a barrel. Seems like that blob. See, I'm bit of gun.

[Edwin McCain]

I'm A bit of a blob connoisseur myself.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm taking the blobs.

[Edwin McCain]

I've got a. I actually, am I. I. In my house, I have no less than seven or eight blobs. I love blobs.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Blobs. Blobs. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

I really love blobs. All my blobs are either round or square.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Very few are gun shapes.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, very few are gun shapes.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm pretty sure I'm a blob to two, tootsie.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. She can't see.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, no, no, no. I mean, no, dogs can.

[Marcus Parks]

Also. Robert Kraft took the stand. The owner. His owner. Spray tanned and smug. And his testimony would actually end up being pretty damning. He recanted. How? Hernandez told him it couldn't have been him because he was at the club. But the jury had just saw footage of Hernandez from his own home on his own security cameras. He was. Was a.

[Edwin McCain]

Robert Craft. So he's so hottie coming in and out of that trial like, he refuses to even look at Aaron. I can't even look at you.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I was like, you, dude. You loved him two weeks ago.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, yeah. You were fine.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You.

[Edwin McCain]

He knew about all the. He knew about all the horrible things. Even if he didn't know the specifics. He knew that Aaron Anders was doing bad and he kept going anyway.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He was too important to the NFL, Marcus.

[Marcus Parks]

If he would have gotten off even though they knew he did it, he would have hired him back, no problem. Yeah, that was the whole thing with the Patriots. They love trouble players.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

After two months and 132 witnesses, the prosecution rested. The defense didn't take as long. Their case lasted one day with a grand total of three witnesses. And their entire argument was basically. Well, that's just like your opinion, man. Y dude would have been proud. For the first time since the trial started, they acknowledged that Hernandez was present for the murder. It was viewed as a shocking pivot in strategy. But after two months of footage of him driving to and from the crime scene in a rental car full of shell casings, they really didn't have a choice. This. This is my favorite. They called a PCP expert to discuss the effects of the drug after positing a theory that Ortiz and Wallace committed the murder while high and that Hernandez was just an innocent man at the wrong place at the wrong time. Time who panicked.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Cause you gotta understand, man, with pcp. God, I love it. I'm a goddamn extra. The key here is, man, understand. Everything's Technicolor. I'm black. And White Dog. All right. Two sides. One's right. Evil. One side's not so evil. You. I'm the expert on pcp. I'll bring the fucking violence. Thank you so much, Doctor. Dr. Winston.

[Marcus Parks]

During the cross examination, the PCP expert asked why the footage of Ortiz and Wallace a few minutes after the murder showed them acting very normal and not like PCP fiends.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's the most PCP in the world, dude. I act normal all day.

[Marcus Parks]

The lawyer's response was basically the shrug emoji in real life. Not exactly a compelling response.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, what do you.

[Marcus Parks]

What can you say?

[Edwin McCain]

PCBs? I do. But, you know, I did once date a girl who before we had dated, she's like, oh, yeah, I did PCP for three, four years.

[Henry Zebrowski]

People treat sometimes PCP like it's a casual thing.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. Like crap.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Becomes actually quite crazy.

[Edwin McCain]

How casually she treated never had any effect on me. It did.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah, it did.

[Marcus Parks]

Angel Dust is too cute a name. Yeah, it really is. You just think, like, oh, I could do that. It's forgot.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No. And you found a lot of that God shit. Super intense problem.

[Marcus Parks]

The defense just tried to plant the reasonable doubt seed and hoped it would grow. They argued that Hernandez was targeted by cops because of his celebrity and the evidence against him was largely circumstantial.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know how cops are so all about arresting celebrities and locking them up. You know them, they're always driven to do that.

[Marcus Parks]

Especially all these Patriot fan cops doing the arrest. It probably broke their fucking heart.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah. They were probably extremely conflicted. Clicked it, dude.

[Marcus Parks]

When they showed up with the arrest warrant, one of the cops was like, oh, man, I got a signed jersey of his. And then another cop had to tell that cop, hey, listen, you have to be prepared to kill this man right now.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Like, get your act together. Like, that's what they were dealing with going in for this. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

I guarantee you they all went home that night and they cried into their wife's bosom because they were so fucking heartbroken.

[Marcus Parks]

Honestly, they thought they ruined the next season.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They were probably crying into the lap of their best guy friend.

[Edwin McCain]

Could be also a possibility. Not going to rule it out.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, man.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The whole.

[Marcus Parks]

The whole thing was basically a poor man's version of the O.J. defense. But they didn't have anything nearly as effective as, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit. They could have at least tried. There ain't nothing suspicious about Bubblicious, but nothing.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Because then he'd been like.

[Marcus Parks]

And at Least with OJ they had the Mark Furman, you know, being a total racist.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That really was the main thrust of the defense was showing doing that they trying to paint the police as corrupt. And they did.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And Hernandez's problem was that the North Attleboro Police Department learned from the mistakes of the LAPD all those years ago and actually did their jobs correctly.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh yeah. They did it against their will as well.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And.

[Edwin McCain]

And I will say for a smallish, you know, a smallish police force, they did a good job because a lot of times these small police forces can fuck these cases up bad.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh yeah, they rapid. They wrap this up pretty hardcore. But also it's really helpful when you're criminal. Criminal is a mentally broken idiot that can't put handle his. Doesn't know how to cover anything up. I think it also really helps a.

[Edwin McCain]

Child could have solved this case.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

So the.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But at least they did it. Yes. Because they definitely could have not done it.

[Edwin McCain]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, the jury deliberated for six days, which is usually an indicator that there's doubt with some jury members and they can't agree in this case, however, they might have some Spent six full days going, holy shit, can you believe how bad Aaron Hernandez is at murder? And they were just roasting him back there.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh yeah. They're probably just weren't. We're like, man, he should get back to being a tight end. It seemed like he was better at that.

[Edwin McCain]

Aaron Hernandez is so bad at murder.

[Henry Zebrowski]

How bad is he? He was immediately guilty.

[Marcus Parks]

Whatever the case. They returned a guilty verdict on April 15, and Hernandez was sentenced to life in prison without parole.

[Edwin McCain]

Finally.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes, Hernandez, now full on living that prison life, was starting to get in trouble behind bars. He randomly punches another incarcerated person in the face while they're cuffed. But the guy who he punched doesn't press charges.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No. Because in prison you can't.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, he's also. He said he was a Patriots fan.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And.

[Marcus Parks]

It didn't matter though, because Hernandez was given two weeks of solitary and he. Anyway, another time, guards were searching his cell and Hernandez was hiding a piece of paper that said mob on it. They asked him what that meant.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He said money over.

[Marcus Parks]

But in prison, mob also stands for member of bloods. The guards said, hand it over. Hernandez, upset, said, what about?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Don't. What the you gonna do about.

[Marcus Parks]

The officer said they would give him a disciplinary report.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, these people. I don't care. Nobody. I don't give a about no disciplinary report. I'll eat the.

[Marcus Parks]

He did receive the disciplinary report and True to his word, he did eat it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And I'll tell you what, honestly, in all honesty, I liked it. It tastes good, to be honest. Thank you. This is some of the nicest stuff I've had.

[Edwin McCain]

So this is his membership card to the Bloods.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's so stupid, Marcus.

[Edwin McCain]

God damn.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Guys in prison are bored.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, they are.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, they are. They're bored and they got a lot of rules.

[Marcus Parks]

Here's your membership card.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You can say. You can. You're not going to sign it if you. It don't count unless you sign it.

[Edwin McCain]

Then make sure to put that in your wallet, because you're not going to be able to get into the Sunday mixer without it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Enjoy being a Blood.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, I know we are called the Bloods, but you don't actually have to sign in blood. That's just the thing that people think.

[Henry Zebrowski]

A lot of us kind of think that's gross. So big on ups. Big GS to the west side. Have fun.

[Edwin McCain]

Don't forget to have fun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's the thing.

[Edwin McCain]

A lot of people, when they get into a gang, they forget to have fun. But not the Bloods.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Not the Bloods.

[Edwin McCain]

We don't forget to have fun here. We're just having fun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

We do things a little different here. Have you ever been a part of the Bloods before? We do things a little bit different here, where we are a family style gang and we serve family style violence for everyone.

[Marcus Parks]

I, for one, like the Bloods.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Good work. Get it. Unfortunately, I'm a Crip. See you nude.

[Marcus Parks]

He also got an illegal neck tattoo that said, lifetime loyalty above a star, which is also usually associated with the Bloods.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You just got in the Bloods?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Also, each pay phone in prison was run by a different gang. He exclusively used the Bloods phone, so it's safe to say, say he was affiliated with them. Maybe not before jail, but in jail for sure.

[Henry Zebrowski]

How do you think that draft was.

[Marcus Parks]

To get him?

[Edwin McCain]

I think he got a better. Yeah. Spot in the draft. It was in fourth round.

[Marcus Parks]

I Don't Want to be Muslim.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's a big book. I don't know if I could read all about that. No pork.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, I mean. But the thing is, he's finally living his fantasy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

This fantasy that he's had for years and years.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He's the gangster he's always wanted to be.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. He's finally this gang. He's finally living this gangster lifestyle and hanging out with all these guys, and he's just as tough as he always wanted to be.

[Marcus Parks]

Dude, they loved him too. He wasn't like usually like when famous guys go to jail, they just get the kicked out of him. The fellow prisoners actually liked Aaron Hernandez.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It was him. And same thing with Bernie Madoff. Had an amazing time in prison.

[Marcus Parks]

Really. Is he still alive?

[Henry Zebrowski]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

Good.

[Edwin McCain]

You died? Yeah, he died a few years ago. But yeah, he ended up. What do they call him? The Professor.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, he was like the. The they. He did all the guys taxes on the inside. He did all. He became a like a whole.

[Marcus Parks]

Imagine going to prison and still having to do taxes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

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[Henry Zebrowski]

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[Marcus Parks]

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[Henry Zebrowski]

I knew you were coming for the stuff, so I ate all of it.

[Edwin McCain]

I'm a smart dude.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm a smart dude. That's the thing about me. I think five steps ahead. So I ate them honey buns thinking I got him, and I had big old dookie. You bad in your mouth? He's just.

[Edwin McCain]

He's got to be sitting there like, oh, my stomach.

[Henry Zebrowski]

What was the point of helping once?

[Marcus Parks]

Well, he actually had four honey. Honey buns left. All right. Yeah. He kept the wrappers of the other ones so the guards knew he didn't give them away. And when he took the last four honey bun. And when the guards took the last four honey buns, he wailed, give them back.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm so hungry.

[Edwin McCain]

He just ate 20 honey buns.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I know I had four more. I have four more to get. I knew, you know, when you have a certain amount of food and work through a certain amount of them, but then you just kind of understand, man, that, like, I got four more. So I'm okay. I'm going be okay. But then you did someone take them? And you're like, I'm expected to eat all these.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, I understand.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, man. So you did rape, you did child rap. Cool. Crazy. You crazy, man. Yeah, you're crazy. You're crazy.

[Marcus Parks]

Hernandez also threatened to kill a guard and his family, but I'm sure that was all in good fun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. You know how that is. But I'm you, man. That's funny.

[Marcus Parks]

He got into a two in one fight as being part of the two beating up the one. He racked up 12 offenses, three of which were fist fights. And he got real into K2. K2, in case you don't know, is a synthetic marijuana. That gives you a sense of euphoria when smoked. Unfortunately, it can also cause paranoia, hallucinations, and psychotic episodes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I know they had a lot of problems with those.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. So now he's smoking something. Something that's far worse than weed.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And in jail.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, because the reason he was smoking K2 is because it's basically odorless and it doesn't show up on drug tests.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So he's getting laced on it. And it's reported that Hernandez fit into prison just a little too well. Other than the Bloods, he was starting to make friends. He had to. This was his new normal.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He just told him and yeah, he just took to it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he's a creature of routine, you know, inhabit from his football years. He can live in any situation. He's used to like three a day practices, sleeping on the floor, you know, it's not that big of a difference. In a weird way, he was able to compartmentalize being locked up really well. There were 120 dudes on a cell block. A hundred of them were lifers. Plenty of time to get to know these guys. One guy he buddied up with was someone not there for life. Kyle Kennedy. Kennedy had an interesting story himself. He held up a Cumberland Farms gas station with a butcher knife and got $189. But when they put him in jail, they forgot to lock his cell and he just walked, walked out.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He proclaimed, nobody told me I couldn't leave you. I guess I'm just gonna go there.

[Marcus Parks]

Hernandez like the cut of his jib.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And he got the guards to make him his bunk mates. And we'll get back to this guy in a little bit. But first, let's talk about Tanya Singleton. Remember her? She was in the middle of the worst year of her life. Her husband TL died in that car crash. She got breast cancer diagnosis and got locked up. Contempt because she refused to testify in Aaron's trial. They tried to get her to roll over on Aaron, but she was dying of cancer and told them to go.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, Tanya was the woman that Aaron Hernandez lived with after her. After his father died.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, that was.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, that.

[Marcus Parks]

Basically his cousin, his mom married her ex husband. You know, she took care of him. He looked at her as his mom more than his mom, Terry.

[Edwin McCain]

She was another extraordinarily harmful presence in his life that would just tell him like, you're okay. Everything you're doing is okay. You're fine. You're a beautiful baby and you've never done anything wrong.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, she probably just sat with his head in her lap and she ran her fingers through his bald head and fucking, you know, put him to sleep and stuff like that. I'm sure she was very comforting to him while she was also teaching him the fucking worst shit in the world.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

The thing is, a new piece of key evidence comes out when executing a search warrant at Tanya's house. No, I'm not talking about the picture. She had hanging up of Aaron Hernandez holding a.45 Glock, just like the murder weapon. Although I should be.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, that's circumstantial.

[Marcus Parks]

In her garage, the cops found a silver Forerunner. That's right. Jack Fox's silver Forerunner, the endorsement car.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Remember?

[Marcus Parks]

They stashed that in Tanya's garage. They ran the license plate, and wouldn't you know it? It's the silver Forerunner they've been looking for from the Abreu and Furtado unsolved murders.

[Edwin McCain]

I mean, that's. They had so much time to get rid of this car.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Edwin McCain]

So much time to get rid of this car.

[Marcus Parks]

At any point, just get rid of it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Throw it in the river.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, it's. Anything. Anything.

[Marcus Parks]

Years later.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, it's. Why is it still like that's just how lazy and stupid they are.

[Marcus Parks]

Not just the car, Marcus. They also found Hernandez's clothes from that night, that he was wearing it. And the only reason they knew it was the clothes he was wearing because they had him on the club surveillance video.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Video.

[Marcus Parks]

And they found.38 caliber shells. Also, the police had just stumbled onto the actual murder weapon as well. So this time, they actually have the gun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Also, I put aon on a lot of my clothes, so I know they're mine.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, remember, these are the clothes he borrowed from Alexander Bradley. Yes. It was found the. The murder weapon, the.38 Special. It was found in a woman's car. Her name was Jaylene Diaz Ramos. She was in an accident. Accident. And after an accident, they always search the car. Just protocol, you know? Jaylene had a pretty long rap sheet herself. And she said the gun had belonged to a football player named Chicago. Chicago's real name was John Alcor. John Alcorn was T.L. singleton's cousin.

[Edwin McCain]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Edwin McCain]

T.L. singleton was the. The man who was married to Aaron Hernandez's cousin, Tanya. And so they just gave the gun to some other guy.

[Marcus Parks]

He literally just gave it to his cousin, and he threw it in his girlfriend's trunk.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Y. Then they just left it there.

[Marcus Parks]

Christ, they're so bad at it.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, it's not. Do you think that maybe he kept it as some sort of momento? Like, do you think that he. When he went over to Tanya's house, maybe he went in the garage and relived the moment?

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, dude, this is Aaron Hernandez's gun.

[Marcus Parks]

Hernandez of an auto. Autograph it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Truly, I do think that there's a little bit of a deeply ignorant sentiment of this could all just go away.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And then if I just take this and hide it, lock the door, pretend it doesn't exist. It'll all go away. No one's gonna come looking for it.

[Marcus Parks]

So now the double murder trial is going to begin March 1, 2017. And this time, Aaron Hernandez got a fancy new lawyer. His name was Jose Baez.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Baez?

[Marcus Parks]

Casey Anthony's lawyer? Oh, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That piece of.

[Edwin McCain]

Well acquainted with Jose Baez.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah. Aaron Hernandez. Probably all time. Like what? Kissy Anthony's boobs? Like.

[Marcus Parks]

Hold on. He got her off.

[Edwin McCain]

Okay, this. Actually. Jose Baez should have hired him for the first trial.

[Marcus Parks]

Definitely should have hired him for the first trial. And this trial would go much better for Hernandez. Whereas the first trial had a mountain of evidence against the former time tight end, this one didn't really have much definitive to tie him to the case. All the security camera footage that showed Hernandez at the club showed him doing things like standing there, drinking, walking. All of which, at the time, were legal in Massachusetts.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Disgusting.

[Edwin McCain]

Not since 2024.

[Marcus Parks]

The prosecution rested their case entirely on the shoulders of Alexander Bur. Bradley. Bradley is not the most credible witness, not only because he's an admitted drug dealer, but also because he had just gotten arrested when he got into a gunfight at a nightclub and got shot three more times.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Okay, I gotta say, honestly, y', all, I am sick of getting shot. I have had it up to my one eye left, because that's all. Probably why he's a bad witness, too. Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

One eye. And he also wasn't a good shot because he. When he. After he got shot, he went and grabbed his gun and then fired it into the club 12 times. Luckily, nobody was killed.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I need a scope on my face. I don't got that. I don't got any of that depth perception anymore.

[Marcus Parks]

They gave Bradley five years, and he rolled over on Hernandez to get his charges reduced.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Bradley took the stand sporting a fancy new fake eye, courtesy of the time Hernandez shot him in the face. An incident that.

[Edwin McCain]

Fake eyes are actually really nice.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They are, man.

[Marcus Parks]

Remember last action hero, the bad guy with the fake eye?

[Henry Zebrowski]

That was the best one.

[Marcus Parks]

Really cool. I love that goddamn movie. Bradley took the stand sporting a fancy new fake eye, courtesy of the time Hernandez shot him in the face. An incident that feels intense enough to give the jury pause when considering Bradley's motivations for testifying against Hernandez in court. He was a regular Shammy Davis Jr.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Funny, funny. Shaq. Yeah, me. That's my Sammy Davis. Yeah, sure. Kitchen Kitty.

[Marcus Parks]

If he just starts tap dancing in the courtroom.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I know that man. He's black.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, whether this is true or not, I'm pretty positive it is. But the motive was fucking terrible.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, are there people out there that would kill two men in cold blood over a spilled drink?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. You call them morons. Yeah, I'm one of them.

[Marcus Parks]

Test me out, find out what's up. But that's not exactly a strong motive to most reasonable people. Certainly enough to create reasonable doubt. The more plausible motive was one floated by Hernandez's defense team, that Bradley had pulled the trigger. Killing a brayu over a drug deal gone wrong. Violent drug dealer gets violent over drugs. Makes a lot more sense than man goes in a homicidal rage over spilled drink and hatred of cape for needed.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, it's one of those where it seems like a common Boston beginning of a fight is stepping on a shoe or spilling a drink.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Baez would say that Alexander Bradley is a three legged pony. And then he would start to pretend to ride a horse around the courtroom. You can't trust this man. You can't ride him home. He would say, it's all really happened.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, God.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, it sounds like what Baez did with this case is a lot of the same type of tactics that he used to get Casey Anthony off. Is that what Baez did with Casey Anthony is he was able to make the jury think that they were smarter than everybody else? Like, don't let them tell you what common sense is. I'm going to tell you what common sense is. You know, but you know what common sense is. So does this really make sense? Just think about it for a second. Does this really make sense? And he really had a way of. Because the people in the Casey Anthony trial, they're like the jurors, some of them are like, yeah, you know, I definitely think she did it. But that Jose Baez, love that. He's like, he just made a better. He made a better argument. Like that's not the.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's not the point.

[Edwin McCain]

That's not what we're here for. Yeah, Jose, but he just, he confuses people. He confuses ju. He's very good at confusing jurors.

[Marcus Parks]

I once had this shady ass lawyer tell me that law is only what the best lawyer can pretend it is, of course.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And then you have good law. And then it's also what judges uphold and then decide.

[Marcus Parks]

So April 6, closing statements were made. The jury deliberated for six days yet again. And on April 14, they came back with the results. Shayana was the only one there for Aaron this time. Terry and DJ had enough of the public eye. The results were much more favorable for Aaron Hernandez this time. He was acquitted of all counts related to the murders and was only found guilty for unlawful possession of a firearm, which got him an additional four to five years on top of his existing life sentence. And for the first time ever, he showed emotion. And he broke down in tears and relief in front of the whole courtroom.

[Henry Zebrowski]

My eyes are crying. My eyes are crying.

[Marcus Parks]

And not only that, he already had Baez working on his appeal for the Odin Lloyd murder. Hernandez was noticeably happier in jail. He had something to be excited about. The first win in a long time. If he could get this appeal and win, he could become an NFL star again. But on April 17, investigative journalist Michelle McPhee appeared on the Boston sports radio show the Kirk and Callahan Show. Let's listen to the clip. Michelle knows the real motive for the.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Murder of Odin Lloyd.

[Marcus Parks]

And let's just say that Odin Lloyd caught Aaron Hernandez in a compromising position. Let's just say that Aaron Hernandez was a former tight end before he was kicked off the field as well. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

And then he became a wide receiver.

[Edwin McCain]

Henry, is that really who you want to be in. You want to be in league with those guys?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I Didn't you notice? You did.

[Edwin McCain]

You started this entire series with that same. That exact same joke.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Someone had to be the problematic male. And at that point, it fell to me.

[Marcus Parks]

I think it still is.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You continue to be me, but you notice I haven't said it since. That's right. I just saved it for the opening because controversy drives the Internet.

[Edwin McCain]

That does.

[Marcus Parks]

Go ahead, say it again.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, at this point, you know what's funny is that I was expecting more to point towards it, but we haven't really seen any of that.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, I, you know, I'm going to get into it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That was going to be a bigger deal in this story, to be frank.

[Marcus Parks]

I thought it was, too. And as I researched everything, it. It didn't. It seemed like it was part of his life.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Maybe. But is he by. Or is he just kind of on the down low? Is it just one of those things that he just does it to do because he doesn't understand?

[Edwin McCain]

Let's get into it a little bit more because I have my own theories about it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. But anyway, around 1am April 19, 2017, 17, Aaron Hernandez hung himself with a bed sheet over his window. Cut in his cell. He jammed his cell door shut with cardboard, opened his Bible to John 3:16, wrote John 3:16 on his forehead with red ink.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Just Those words, just those words, not the full verse.

[Marcus Parks]

And then he used his own blood to write John 3:16 on his cell wall and drew a crude pyramid with the word Illuminati written under it. I don't know what that's supposed to mean.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm not trying to laugh at this. I really. I'm not gonna do what I'd like to do.

[Marcus Parks]

During this moment, Hernandez left several notes next to his Bible, stripped naked, made stigmata marks on his hands and feet, covered the floor of his cell with shampoo, slid the sheet rope through the window slat that was only five feet off the ground. So he had to do the actual strangulation himself. It was no easy task to complete. But just like everyone always said about, about him, once he set his mind to something, he did it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And he did it the hardest way possible. And again, he's a dead man. But he's also a murderer. So I will say that's the dumbest I've ever heard. That's the dumbest way to commit suicide that I've ever heard.

[Edwin McCain]

Was it the shampoo? Did he want the cops?

[Marcus Parks]

He would slip.

[Edwin McCain]

So he would slip.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Say you think it's cuz he would slip. I think it's so that the cops would slip to come in looking at his body. I think that he wrote Illuminati on the wall because he's mentally 14 years old. And I think he did that as a way to kind of be like. It's the. It's. I was murdered, I was whacked. I whacked by the Illuminati.

[Marcus Parks]

He did it because that's the signal on the back of the dollar bill and says, in God we trust. I think that's why he did it. I don't think he understood what Illuminati was.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I was going to say that all that is as stupid as anything else. Yeah. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, unfortunately, it's about to get slightly dumber.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Why you do.

[Marcus Parks]

Did he do it? Was it the outing of his supposed sexuality? Was he depressed about possibly spending the rest of his life in prison? Was he just having an intense K2CTE episode? Or was it another thing called abatement? In Massachusetts at the time, there was a legal procedure called abatement. It basically means that if a defendant died while the repeal of a conviction was pending, the conviction would be wiped. Wiped out. Now cleared of the double murder and in the middle of an appeal in the Odin Lloyd case, Hernandez might have factored this into his decision to commit suicide. His note included a Passage written directly to his fiance that ends with the phrase, you're rich in all caps and underlined. Well, let me correct that. It ends with a quote from a Savage Garden song, as all good suicide notes show. The song is called I knew I loved you, and the quote, tell my.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Story fully, but never think anything else besides I love you.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, Aaron, I'm working on it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Not even truly, madly, deeply.

[Edwin McCain]

No, that's the Savage Garden song.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I could see someone telling him about abatement and him maybe in a. Impulse driven. Because I weirdly think.

[Marcus Parks]

I think it's all connected.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think it's all connected. I think that he. He didn't. Obviously. I don't know. Would. Would it even affect him somebody saying something about him being gay? Cuz actually part of my mind if him, I think he'd kind of think like, in jail. Yeah. Yeah. But in jail, they do a lot of stuff.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

In the dark, you know, and they do it. But they have, like. It's not all just like men have relationships in jail. They work. They work.

[Marcus Parks]

Not him.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. And not outside of jail, because that's the thing. Whole thing is the errand. Hernandez, his relationships were outside of jail. If you're in jail, that's a different thing altogether. But you continue that outside of jail, then you know. Punk.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, no, I know. But he's not getting out of jail.

[Marcus Parks]

Not anymore. Nope. Six days after Hernandez's death, his attorneys filed a legal motion to vacate the Lloyd conviction. If successful, this would have tons of ramifications, most notably that Lloyd's family couldn't pursue a civil claim and that Hernandez's estate might be entitled to the $40 million contract the Patriots had voided because of the whole murder kerfuffle.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, that was the thing. The murder stuff really put a damper.

[Marcus Parks]

On a lot of stuff. In May of 2017, a judge granted the motion and erased the conviction, clearing the way for Hernandez's estate to pursue the NFL contract money. The following year, however, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court reversed the ruling and reinstated the conviction, saying the concept of abatement was outdated. They ruled that abatements would no longer apply moving forward.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, because it's really stupid to create, like, this thing of, like, as long as you kill your. Yourself before you're guilty, it doesn't count. Like, it's like. That makes no sense.

[Edwin McCain]

It was a law from, like, the 1800s. Like, it was. There was a reason for it back then.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

That no longer applied.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. You like. It's one of those things. That you like. You forget to change.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So after all the dust had settled on the violent crime spree of Aaron Hernandez, we finally had a happy ending. The patriots had made $40 million. All is well that ends well.

[Edwin McCain]

Because they needed it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Edwin McCain]

They really needed that extra 40 mil.

[Marcus Parks]

After his death, the tabloids had a field day with the outing of Aaron Hernandez. I mean, it's a hell of a juicy story. I decided to tell a version of it to you folks right now. Kyle Kennedy, his former cellmate, told Aaron Hernandez jail lover stories to anyone who would listen. His high school teammate, Dennis San Susie told of his escapades in the Netflix doc. And Ryan Murphy show told the tale of his forbidden love with an old trainer from the NFL, Kanbach Prep.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now, does that come from anything or is that just Ryan Murphy jerking off?

[Edwin McCain]

It's just Ryan Murphy jerking off.

[Marcus Parks]

I think it is. I. Because that's the only place I saw it was in Ryan Murphy's show.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Same books I read.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, I read articles.

[Henry Zebrowski]

All I saw was these kind of snippets of people talking about it. And weirdly, the jail lover stuff is actually. Because I actually kind of even put that into a whole thing of. He got so comfortable in jail.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And then that stuff is so. So really in jail. It's pretty run of the mill. Like, guys work stuff out all the time. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

But there is also Dennis, the high school buddy. Yeah, that's. That's something else.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Everybody sucks dick. Everybody's sucking dick, having a good time.

[Marcus Parks]

Whether any of it's true is neither here nor there at this point. Was he gay? Was he bisexual? Sexual truth is, we'll never really know for sure because the only person that could tell us Aaron is dead.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm more of a trisexual. Try anything.

[Edwin McCain]

Words so clever. Aaron, did you come up with that yourself?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, I really thought about it. I was like, well, that's me. I do stuff.

[Marcus Parks]

Do I think it's possible he was gay? Of course I do. You know, do I think it matters?

[Henry Zebrowski]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

Not as much as the stage three cte, drug use and abusive upbringing, that's for goddamn sure.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Me thinks the CTE and the PCP were a little bit more on up the. The finger than the. Than him being gay. I think that being gay might have been the only nice thing about him.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. I mean, really, it was the lifelong culture of permissiveness, of, like, him constantly getting away with everything, smashing his face.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And other people's smashes FA other people's faces for. For the funding Profit I.

[Edwin McCain]

To be like to me. Like I would probably put Aaron Hernandez more in the bisexual realm.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

And I think. But I do think that anytime he had feelings for a man, it freaked him the out. I think he didn't like it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But I. I love you.

[Marcus Parks]

But I mean he's definitely trying to hook up with the babysitter. You know, there's plenty of times he cheated on his wife a bunch with women. He got caught.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, guys do that all the time to show other people they're straight.

[Marcus Parks]

Like who is.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Why they wife. Yeah. Literally. Ah. To show his wife he's straight. He's cheating on her with women. So that. Because there's.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, not as they weren't married yet.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Think about how gay you gotta be to be married and gay. Like that's the gayest in the world. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

Well, I think that he was already.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Gay enough to be married to a woman.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do. Yeah. I think it's most likely that he was bisexual, sexual. But I really don't think that him being closeted was what led to any of this. No, I don't think it had any bearing.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm sure it maybe the suicide.

[Edwin McCain]

It probably increased the pressure and it. Yeah. And it may have definitely had something to do with the suicide, but I don't think it had anything to do with his crimes.

[Marcus Parks]

Especially Odin Lloyd.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, especially. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Before we go though, we need to talk about one of the most bizarre subplots of the Aaron Hernandez trailer story. That has to be the additional murders committed by members of his high school football team.

[Edwin McCain]

This is insane.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. So Bristol, Connecticut has a population just north of 60,000 people. Big for a town, small for a city. It's known primarily at as the home of espn. Admittedly a strange location for media conglomerate owned by Disney. You gotta stretch a bit for Bristol's second claim to fame. They're known as Mum City because they were once the lead leader in chrysanthemum production.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Chrysanthemum.

[Marcus Parks]

Chrysanthemum. I think we both just say it differently. Chrysanthemum.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Chrysanthemum. No, that's a flower called chrysanthemum. Yeah, chrysanthemum.

[Marcus Parks]

Chrysanthemum.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Chrysanthemum.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, they produce it. And although their glory days and the chrysanthemum game got to be behind them, they still host an annual Bristol Mum Festival at the end of September. Great. By the time you hear this, tickets might already be sold out. Never too late to start planning for the 2026 festival season.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I better getting the tickets to the Mom Festival. Nothing I love better than.

[Marcus Parks]

Do you know where you get the tickets? Mom's the word.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Mom's the word Body.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. Anyway, other than those two things, I guess they're most known for their high school football players going on to kill people.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Bristol Central High School is one of three high schools in the city.

[Edwin McCain]

Its motto is be creative, be conscious, conscientious, be collaborative, be committed.

[Marcus Parks]

Although the last one should probably be.

[Edwin McCain]

Be committing murders.

[Marcus Parks]

Because that's what three players from the 2006 Rams roster did. Alex Ring. Mary decides. By the way, all three of these guys in the team photo are standing directly next to each other.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, yeah. They're all like buddies, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

Aaron Hernandez, Alex Ring, and this other guy, Nick Brut. Yeah. All stunning. It's a haunting photo.

[Marcus Parks]

Alex Ring married his high school sweetheart and they had three kids. After school, he joined the National Guard. Seemed like a pretty great Life. But in 2014, things clearly weren't going well for the ring family. On May 29, Alex purchased a 12 gauge shotgun from Dick Sporting Goods. The next day, his wife Kyla filed for divorce. Remember, there's no waiting period when purchasing a shotgun or rifle, just handguns. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Cuz to be honest, you can't kill anybody with a shotgun or a rifle.

[Marcus Parks]

You're right.

[Edwin McCain]

Not humans. Just deer.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Just deer and big pigs. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

And birds.

[Marcus Parks]

The day after that, Kyla called the Bristol police about a domestic disturbance and told officers she didn't feel safe. Later that night, a Connecticut National Guard mental health official contacted local police twice to express concern about Alex missing therapy and his quote, increasing erratic behavior. On June 4, police responded to a call and found both Alex and Kyla dead from gunshot wounds to the head. Alex had committed a murder suicide, leaving his three young children behind in 2022.

[Henry Zebrowski]

At least he didn't kill the kids.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, you're right, Henry. You know what? Honestly, I thought the same thing. In 2022, Nick Brutcher became the latest Bristol Central football player to go off the deep end in October that year, perhaps feeling withdrawals from dizzying highs of the Chrysanthemum Festival.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I don't give a about the flower. I just want to make fun of it.

[Marcus Parks]

Butcher committed a particularly heinous crime. Around 10pm that night, Nick made a 911 call and told the dispatcher that he'd gotten into an argument with his brother Nathan. He said Nathan was being aggressive and he needed a assistance. The story was completely fabricated. However, it was a ruse to get the police to his residence, where he was hiding in the bushes and waiting to ambush the officers.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think all these guys should be focusing on their chrysanthemum parade float. I don't know what's going on here. I really think there's a lot of things they could be working on.

[Marcus Parks]

Brutcher fired almost 100 total shots, split between an AR15 and then handgun. In the process, he killed two police officers and wounded a third. He also wounded his brother Nathan, who happened to be in the doorway when the police arrived. The only surviving officer, Alex Ar, was able to limp back to his car despite being shot in the leg. He took cover behind the vehicle before emerging to kill Nick with a single shot.

[Edwin McCain]

At night.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes, he was good at it. An investigation would later produce a step by step timeline of events showing that it started as a night out for Nathan and Nick. But after a bar fight, a ticket for a suspended license, and a truck being towed, they ended up back home, where Nick carried out his plan. Perhaps the least surprising detail of the horrific night is that it all started at a standup comedy open mic.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

As someone who's done a lot of these bar mics in his life, let me say this is somehow the best case scenario.

[Edwin McCain]

God. An open mic bar night at in Bristol, Connecticut. Oh, God.

[Marcus Parks]

God, that's got to be. I'm sorry, Bristol, but I don't think you're funny.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No. Sorry, guys.

[Edwin McCain]

You guys ever notice this ESPN thing is, like, everywhere?

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's everywhere.

[Edwin McCain]

Like, it's like espn. Like, what does it stand for? Like.

[Marcus Parks]

The only thing Butcher has in common with Hernandez, other than football and the murders, which, frankly is enough, is the fact that he also appeared to be closeted gay man. Cell phone records show that before his death, he downloaded and deleted Grindr several times. Perhaps indic an internal struggle over the truth he was scared to share. There's an HBO Max documentary that details these cases, interviews old teammates, and attempts to find some connective tissue. They talk about cte, locker room culture, toxic masculinity. And sure, all of those things can be contributing factors in any or all of these cases, of course, but it's worth noting that those things existed in pretty much every high school football program in the country back in the early 2000s. If the formula is high pressure, high school football plus head injuries plus not being allowed to be gay equals murder, then the entire populations of Texas and Florida would have been wiped out years ago. In reality, this is probably just a sad coincidence. And A fascinating footnote to the Aaron Hernandez story.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's not a good one, though. It's really. It's just fascinating, the fact that they were all maybe just being a bully.

[Edwin McCain]

I mean, it's. There is, I think, maybe just something about Bristol, Connecticut.

[Marcus Parks]

We haven't heard it about it since.

[Edwin McCain]

I mean, when I watch the. The f. When I watch footage of Aaron Hernandez playing football in high school, the way he uses his head all the time. That shit's taught, you know, like, that. That is absolutely. That is a. A taught move. And I think a lot of the players at Bristol were taught to use their heads, and I think that may have given quite a. A few of them cte.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

And it made them violent.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, not just that. You started eight.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

In Pop Warner.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

In Bristol, Connecticut is a. It's kind of an outlier because, you know, Connecticut's not known for its football, you know, not usually. And I think they might go a little harder than other places go, you know, And I. Yeah, I. I don't really know what it is because it's because also, like, Aaron's brother dj, also had, like, kind of a up prologue.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

Or epilogue.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. No, he mad about everything that happened with Aaron Hernandez and the way ESPN covered it. So he, like, threw a brick at the ESPN office, saying, like, you're responsible for all this.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Again, acting like a high school kid.

[Marcus Parks]

But then he also got in trouble, like scoping out Yukon for a possible spree shooting. And he's currently on house arrest.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Hey, you know, at least we know where he is. Yeah. Just don't go near that house.

[Edwin McCain]

No, but there's just there. I don't know what it is. Maybe it is early 2000s football culture in this place. Like, because all these. Because, you know, a DJ was just a couple years older than Aaron. What, like two years older? You know, there's something about it.

[Marcus Parks]

Something about this class that's not like his dad was saying either.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No.

[Edwin McCain]

No, he wasn't. It's like a Stephen King story where the whole football team gets cursed.

[Henry Zebrowski]

This movie him actually sounds very interesting. None of this is all this almost.

[Marcus Parks]

A very coincidence with full coincidence. So after all this, I'm really trying to figure out where I am personally with football. Truth is, I haven't watched the Miami Dolphins play in two years. And not only because they're awful. I'm used to that. I'm used to them being bad at football, but unpacking what football means to me in therapy these last couple years, I'VE frankly fallen out of love. Besides the personal trauma it's caused me through childhood abuse of Pop Warner football from being so big as an 8 year old that I had to play with 12 year olds. I was the only white kid on the team and four years younger than everyone else. My teammates would regularly beat the out of me until I earned their respect by fist fighting, fighting back. And then they gave me a trophy for most improved, you know. And I don't blame them, to be honest with you. I was like the first white kid they were allowed to beat up. You know, beat me up.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And also you were getting used to being beat up.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That was your job.

[Marcus Parks]

Absolutely. My dad loved it, to be honest.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Of course he did. I love it just hearing about it.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm haunted by it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I know. I just love to hear about it. I love hearing boys getting all in, all up on each other.

[Marcus Parks]

Man, I'm haunted by such traumas like having to take laxatives and myself or running in a trash bag to make weight. And then my father forcing me to walk home because I was covered in. I remember once an older kid reached his hand into my face mask and clawed my eyes. After I was cleared to go back in the game, I was filled with rage. I slammed my helmet into his knee for revenge, sending him to the hospital in the middle of the game. Not only was I not reprimanded for that game, I was also given the. The game ball. The incident that made me never want to play again was sophomore year in high school. I remember two of my teammates got into a fight and one of them took his helmet off and started swinging it as a weapon. And coach had a circle around them to let them fight. Even at 15, I knew how dangerous this was and took it upon myself to break up the fight. I was reprimanded by my coaches and I yelled back at them. They tried to punish me by not moving me up to varsity at of the day, the end. End of the year. But I was too good and the varsity coaches needed me, so I moved up anyway.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's how it works.

[Marcus Parks]

That was my last season. I was done after that.

[Edwin McCain]

My God. I mean, your program sounds so much more intense than mine was.

[Marcus Parks]

It was very intense.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. Cuz th. This type of.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'll.

[Edwin McCain]

I will say this about go coach Forehand. He wouldn't have put up with that on our field.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Definitely.

[Edwin McCain]

He definitely wouldn't.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But you, you had kind of had a. Like that school was one of those where it did take football really seriously. Seriously we did. Yeah, we did.

[Marcus Parks]

We were good. I mean like first year we were horrible, but the second year we were very good.

[Edwin McCain]

But I mean, but we were also at two entirely different levels because. Yeah, you're, you're playing and I have.

[Marcus Parks]

Like 3, 000 kids in my school.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

I had 300 people in my town.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

You know, it's. It's six man and I played six man football, you know, which is, you know, six guys on each side instead of 11.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

It's for smaller schools.

[Marcus Parks]

We had 60 guys on my squad.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. Yeah. And we had 55 people in our entire high school.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

You know, so it's with. For us, it's entertainment for the town, you know, and it's. It's something that gives the. It's there for the town specifically. And that's it. There's not really much else. Like none of the six man. Like there was one dude that I think like played a couple of downs of college football that we played against, but otherwise like six man guys, they ain't making it. They ain't even making it.

[Marcus Parks]

They don't even know how to play the same game really.

[Edwin McCain]

They really don't. It's an entirely different way of playing the game. But it's not. But that's the thing. There's not. The stakes aren't as high in your school.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Did you guys ever do the thing. There was this game that they played at my school called Everybody Rapes Henry. Have you played that game? Did you guys play that game?

[Edwin McCain]

No, we didn't.

[Marcus Parks]

I played it, but I wasn't Henry.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Wow. I was always Henry. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

There was a game called Break Marcus's Bones and they were really good at that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like, like three.

[Edwin McCain]

Three guys really won. Break his bones.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, I bet.

[Edwin McCain]

Different years.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's amazing.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, now, as a fully aware adult man, when I look at my favorite team, mostly aware, Mostly aware adult man, I look at my favorite team, the Miami Dolphins, and who they are, and I'm disgusted with them. And the dude I used to be. I used to let them ruin my week. Getting upset, screaming like a maniac as if I had anything to do with the game, you know, like. And after a loss, I wouldn't talk to the people I love and I would drink my sorrows away. For what reason? Because my favorite TV show didn't go the way I liked it. Today, the Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tungavioa has had so many concussions that doctors think he should retire. But he keeps playing because of pride. I watched him almost die in Cincinnati a couple years ago. The star receiver Tyreek Hill has multiple domestic abuse incidents, including hitting his pregnant and wife with little to no repercussions. All while their owner Steven Ross rose $50,000 a plate fundraising dinners for Trump while Tua plays cratch with his grandchildren. I thought to myself, what the fuck am I rooting for? So now I got my Sundays back for one third of the year and my general mental health has improved greatly. Not to mention, check this out. Since 2014, the nation's inflation has risen 31%. But going to see the Miami Dolphins price has raised 103%. The poor Detroit Lions fans have dealt with a 201% increase in ticket sales and in concessions. And we all know how rich the citizens of Detroit are.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Going to.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Sitting on their goal. I know what's happening down there.

[Marcus Parks]

Going to an NFL game has turned into something reserved only for the elite.

[Edwin McCain]

Ah, it's been like that for years. We, when I was a kid, we couldn't afford to go to Dallas Cowboys games. We in the 90s.

[Marcus Parks]

There used to be a thing for Dolphins games that like, I think it was because no one was going. But you could go for like $5 if you bought the tickets at Winn Dixie that don't exist anymore.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

They had a section called the Fun Zone and that's where the most fights were.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's where it's called fun. It's fun. We're having fun. We brought our own fun.

[Marcus Parks]

Right now. If you want to watch football, it's $378 just to watch the. On YouTube.

[Edwin McCain]

It is, it's, it's wild for, for the se. For a season.

[Henry Zebrowski]

NFL season ticket or whatever it's called. I was looking at getting it because I wanted to actually fill my Sundays with something and I thought I was going to watch football, but I was like, this is insane.

[Marcus Parks]

It's insane. Not just that people deserve to keep politics and football separate, but we all know that's not the case.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Odd. Put it in.

[Marcus Parks]

They're doing it between blatant military propaganda going on as long as I can remember, along with. On September 14, five NFL teams held moments of silence for the death of Charlie Kirk. This is the same league that regularly silences black men when they make statements such as ruining the career of Colin Kaepernick for silently protesting by kneeling to advocate for police reform, defining players up to $65,000 for touchdown dances according to their own website. It seems absurd.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You're right.

[Marcus Parks]

So I might watch a game here and there. But as far as breaking the bank to support a league and team and tradition that uses up their players like their pawns on a chessboard, honestly makes me nauseous. I got better things to do than get hammered and yell at a television in my own home like Yosemite Sam. So this Sunday I'll see you fuckers at the farmer's Market movie theater or park. Making my marriage the best it could be. Possibly be.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Take her someplace nicer. Take her someplace else. No, honest. Great series, Eddie.

[Edwin McCain]

Really fantastic. And interestingly, the. The only football that I was watching for the last few years was Tex, the Texas Tech Red Raiders. And our mascot, Raider Red looks a lot like Y. Sam.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, should watch more of basketball. Yeah. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

Cuz nothing. There's nothing bad with that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, man, no. But they don't get. It's not like this. They allow them to protest. Right? They give it. They get more. They more access to it. They do a little bit more social things. They're. It's a. It's a fun game. Bas. A great alternative.

[Marcus Parks]

Baseball playoffs are about to start.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Boring.

[Marcus Parks]

Baseball stops start in the fourth inning. It's gets. It's a lot easier to take.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Baseball's the one place that I did. Baseball, to me, is the one sport that's better at. It's the only sport for me that's better at the park.

[Edwin McCain]

Oh yeah, it's better. Way better at the park.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Every. Everything else is better on television.

[Edwin McCain]

I find basketball extraordinarily dull.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I love it. I like basketball.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah. But they've made it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now that it's all three points, it's not as fun.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, well, it's. You know what? It is partly for me as well. Squeaking.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, I can't.

[Edwin McCain]

I can't take the squeaking.

[Marcus Parks]

But if you go to a pro basketball game, they have just have like straight up DJs now like playing during.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The awesome time we went to the Staples Center. It was a blast.

[Marcus Parks]

Please. Crypto.com arena.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Thank you. Thank you. For me. Good work, Eddie.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, Great job. Great series.

[Marcus Parks]

I want to thank Grant, who helped me with the last episode, Grant Gordon and. And Pat Barker, roastwriter extraordinaire, who helped me with today's script.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's amazing. Really good work. And we are still operating. No matter what we've said, no matter what we've done, we continue forward and we will.

[Marcus Parks]

Just like a drunk doctor who won't leave the hospital.

[Henry Zebrowski]

We are just gonna barrel forward. Just like Aaron Hernandez. We're gonna go head up just out into this new realm. And you can help us on patreon.com last podcast and left. Help us get cultural CTE with our approach to content making. Yeah.

[Edwin McCain]

Because coming up next, coming up this next week, we really. We have a series that, like I said, we've been working on it for months upon months upon months.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Not even a joke. It's almost a year. So this is going to be an absolutely massive series.

[Marcus Parks]

I don't think anyone's gonna be able to call what it is either.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No. And it's an absolutely massive series and it's starts a new running series that we will be returning to here on Last Podcast Network. So this is. I mean, it's a big fucking deal. We got a lot of stuff.

[Edwin McCain]

So I think we can. I think we can at least tease the name of this series, the Mount Rushmore of Evil. Yeah. We've got four chosen and we're going to be going through them one by one. They're all massive stories and some of them quite relevant. Quite relevant, including the one that we're about to get into.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Extremely, extremely relevant. So we are. We're really, really excited. It's going to be both funny and might bum you out.

[Edwin McCain]

Yeah, fun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So you. But then you're also going to hear.

[Edwin McCain]

You're going to hear some of the worst that you've ever heard on this show, on the series.

[Henry Zebrowski]

We're going to make it light. Yeah, you're going to love it. No, sorry. Go look at it on our socials. That LP on the left. Oh, I have a movie that I'm working on.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Go to UF Movie. Give me money. This is a Kickstarter for my new movie, Unbelievably Friendly Organisms. They don't want me to make this movie, so I need to make it with my own goddamn hands. Come on. On there. They.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, man.

[Henry Zebrowski]

My. My wife. My wife and family. But no, you come out and see this. Marcus has a part in it. He has no. He has no choice. Eddie's got a part in it. Everybody else.

[Marcus Parks]

I also don't have a choice.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, a choice. And. And then. Wow. Yeah. Come join me. Amber Nash and Jenna Hayes. But we're going to have a big old bunch of other people that we're going to be announcing soon as well.

[Marcus Parks]

I got a cool thing coming up too, I wanted to tell people about on October 12th. I just booked this. We're doing on the 11th. We're doing Milwaukee on the 12th. I'm taking my big ass to Madison. I'm going to be at Comedy on State with Logan Metz, the piano player from prom, Lucas Nelson and the promise of the real.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, it's awesome.

[Marcus Parks]

He's got his own album coming out, so he's going to open with a bunch of those songs and then I'm going to come out and do my thing for an hour. Y' all come out and see us over at Comedy on State. That's October 12th in Madison, Wisconsin.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's awesome.

[Edwin McCain]

Hell yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, we're on tour. We're going to obviously we're going to be in Milwaukee on October 11, but then Oakland on October 25 and I don't know where we're going to be on 29th yet. Did we decide? Did we fix that?

[Edwin McCain]

I believe that's still in the works.

[Marcus Parks]

But still in the work. But we are fixing it somewhere close.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Somewhere close. It is not yet done. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And then on December 12th and 13th, we're going to be in Portland, Oregon. And please, we got some new shows for 2026 about to be announced. Stay tuned. I can't wait to keep this train going.

[Henry Zebrowski]

We're going to have a lot of fun. Can't wait you see you guys in God damn other places in these healthy again.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, boy.

[Edwin McCain]

Who do I like?

[Marcus Parks]

Who do I like? Who do I like? Hail Pat Barker. Thanks for your help, buddy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Really good work. Possibility means you have a chance. Passion opens the door to all possibilities. When I feel like anything's possible, I feel kind of giddy. I want to be an astronaut, an.

[Edwin McCain]

Artist, be an actress.

[Henry Zebrowski]

To visit another country. All I need is a backpack and.

[Marcus Parks]

A pair of shoes and I'll find a way I'm able to do anything I set my mind to.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I've never felt like more things are possible than right now.

[Marcus Parks]

In the right shoes, anything's possible. Dsw countless shoes at bragworthy prices.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Imagine the possibilities.

[Edwin McCain]

Hi listeners, Marcus, Ed and Henry here with a little bit of an announcement.

[Marcus Parks]

You loving all the episodes of Last Podcast on the Left lately? Well, listen, now you can get even more from us.

[Henry Zebrowski]

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