Episode 658: Jimmy Savile Part I - Clowns Get Away with Murder

Summary

Last Podcast On The Left

Episode 658: Jimmy Savile Part I – Clowns Get Away with Murder
Release Date: April 3, 2026
Host(s): Marcus Parks, Henry Zebrowski, Ed Larson
Podcast Network: The Last Podcast Network

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode marks the beginning of an extensive, multi-part deep dive into the life and crimes of Jimmy Savile, the notorious British broadcaster and one of the most prolific and protected sexual predators in UK history. The hosts grapple with the challenge of exploring Savile’s evil while keeping their trademark dark humor, focusing on how Savile weaponized celebrity, philanthropy, and cultural eccentricity to evade scrutiny, and the systemic complicity that enabled him for decades.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Why Jimmy Savile is the “British Head” on Their "Mount Rushmore of Evil"

• The hosts introduce the “Mount Rushmore of Evil,” revealing Savile as the second head, representing uniquely British systemic evil and deception.
• Savile’s crimes were both wide-ranging in scope (hundreds, perhaps thousands of victims) and enabled by his manipulation of public trust, charity, and institutional protections.
• Comparison with Jeffrey Epstein: Savile “beats out” Epstein for the list because Epstein’s story “is nowhere near over,” and Savile’s manipulation of good—using charity as cover—adds a particular psychic harm.

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“Savile perverted good for the sake of committing pure evil. This is the type of evil that makes people less trusting of each other. This is the type of evil that destroys people's faith in humanity and therefore makes the world a far worse place.” – Ed Larson (29:00)

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Savile’s Career, Persona, and Cultural Context

Eccentricity and the Art of Camouflage

• Savile cultivated a “clown” persona—eccentric, flamboyant, almost cartoonish—to distract and disarm, referencing the “clowns get away with murder” principle (18:05).
• His oddball celebrity made him an institution in England but virtually unknown in the US; his approach exploited uniquely British attitudes toward class, media, and deference to celebrity.
• The hosts repeatedly stress the dark power of “being odd,” noting how Savile leaned into being “weird” to both stand out and hide in plain sight.

Trust Erosion

• By using charity as a smokescreen for his crimes, Savile was granted “unlimited access” to vulnerable people in hospitals and institutions (06:17), enabled by powerful elites in politics and media.
• His deliberate, transaction-based view of morality framed his philanthropic acts as ‘balancing’ his evil; he believed if his good outweighed his bad, he could do anything.
• The hosts highlight the dangers of unchecked celebrity and institutional cowardice, noting the decades-long coverup by the BBC and even police protection.

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Early Life & Psychological Roots

Family Dynamics & Childhood Trauma

• Born in 1926 Leeds, “the not again child” (36:09)—youngest of seven, unwanted and unexpected.
• Minimal emotional connection to his father; extremely close (possibly disturbingly so) to his mother (“the Duchess”) who, the hosts speculate, deeply warped his relationship with women.
• Suffered a childhood accident (possibly a contributing factor to later psychopathy) and grew up helping nuns at a home for the aged, where his obsessions with death and detachment surfaced.
• The hosts raise the possibility of early sexual abuse or at least severe emotional neglect helping shape his pathology.

Sociopathy from the Start

• Savile is quoted as saying, “I have no feelings,” openly identifying as essentially a sociopath decades before his crimes became public.
• The “power of oddness” and being emotionally hollow allowed Savile to manipulate people more effectively (16:19).

Quote “He was wildly smart and has no emotional base. He keeps saying stuff like, 'I have no feelings.' …with psychopathy…you can actually gain access to how other people feel a little bit easier when your own feelings are not in play.” – Henry Zebrowski (16:19)

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Early Career: From Dance Halls to National Icon

Ascending the Entertainment Ladder

• Savile started in the black market (scrap metal, gambling), then became a DJ and assistant manager at dance halls, inventing dance floor DJing (77:42), always attracted to situations of power and potential access to young (often underage) girls.
• He becomes a foundational broadcaster, hosting “Top of the Pops” (a UK “Dick Clark”) and “Jim’ll Fix It”—both giving him more access to minors.

The “Clown Armour” & Manipulation Tactics

• Savile’s public persona as an eccentric and “refreshingly” detached man (“no emotions for others”—19:54) was both alarming and, bizarrely, applauded in Thatcherite Britain for its self-reliance.
• The hosts draw parallels to other notorious abusers who used talent, philanthropy, and media presence as camouflage (e.g., Bill Cosby).

Quote "…he leaned into being odd... it had enough of an effect where Jimmy Savile started leaning in to being weird and somewhat clownish." – Ed Larson (65:48)

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Systemic Complicity: Enabling and Protecting Savile

Media, Police, and the Powerful

• BBC executives and rank-and-file covered up or dismissed Savile’s predation for decades (“It is so obvious that it is insane that no one said anything publicly at the time.” – Ed, 23:51).
• British libel laws, institutional reputation management, organizational cowardice, and an “everyone knew, but no one did anything” culture fed Savile’s impunity.
• Savile’s close relationships with top politicians (e.g., Margaret Thatcher), royals (he licked Princess Diana), and the police bolstered his untouchability (21:11).

Open Secrets

• Rumors, allegations, and even court dates for acts like “interfering with young girls” were routinely suppressed—sometimes by Savile bribing the police.
• The approach: admit to “old temptations” or hint at “past bad acts,” always implying redemption and contrition, thus deflecting further questions (87:05).
• The hosts emphasize time and again that these were never “hidden” crimes; rather, British society simply did not respond.

Quote “Even after the police had to question him…he always had a way to deflect. His go-to was to ask the cops if they had daughters who came to the Plaza, which is a big move.” – Ed Larson (95:10)

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The Scope of Savile’s Crimes

Early Reports and Patterns

• Savile’s sexual predation extended to prepubescent children, teens, adults, the disabled, the elderly, and even included necrophilia rumors—his victim pool was “everybody” (15:01, 15:22).
• In the early 1960s there were already allegations of Savile abusing girls as young as 13, court appearances, and settlements/bribery.
• Savile’s “black pad” apartment in Manchester: a den painted entirely black with one red bulb for abusing teenagers (14:14, 121:14).
• Savile’s pattern included using institutional access (charities, hospitals, studios) and private “caravans” (RVs), always in pursuit of more victims.

Notable Examples

• Anecdote: Savile’s calculated rape of the 16-year-old Elvis Presley fan club president, getting her pregnant and then denying it (127:12).
• At least 13 separate allegations in three months of 1963 alone were made; none were investigated (122:15).
• Victims included not just girls, but boys, vulnerable adults, and those in his “care.” Even reports made to the police were ignored or the accuser was threatened with arrest.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “This might be the most angry I’ve been... I think that I like Heinrich Himmler more… than today’s subject.”
  – Henry Zebrowski (02:37)

• “If Jimmy Savile thought that he could get away with abusing someone sexually, he did it… his most dangerous supervillain power was an innate understanding of where the line was, what he could get away with.”
  – Ed Larson (15:42)

• “He is talking about the very core of Carney, like, personal enchantment… I create an unbelievable silhouette, an iconic version of myself. You’ll never believe I have a real life.”
  – Henry Zebrowski (18:05)

• “Jimmy Savile never formed a meaningful bond with any woman throughout his life. Aside, of course, from the unhealthy bond he had with… the Duchess.”
  – Ed Larson (41:08)

• “He’s scary. He’s legitimately. Of all of the characters we’ve covered… he frightens me.”
  – Henry Zebrowski (67:18)

• “People always knew about Jimmy Savile, but nobody did anything… It was more about maintaining the institution.”
  – Ed Larson (23:52; paraphrased throughout episode)

• “There’s footage of Jimmy Savile goosing a teenage girl… and he’s just fucking staring at the camera, delivering his lines. It is so obvious that it is insane that no one said anything publicly at the time.”
  – Ed Larson (23:51)

• “He [Savile] said he was in a business ‘fraught with temptations. He said he was an abuser of things, bodies and people, but maintained that those days were behind him.’” – Ed Larson quoting Savile (87:03)

• “He did not sell people, but he shared people.”
  – Henry Zebrowski, distinguishing Savile’s crimes from Epstein’s (30:46)

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Important Segments & Timings

• [03:36] – Mount Rushmore of Evil: revealing Savile as the British head
• [04:01]–[06:50] – Overview of Savile’s crimes, charity cover, public persona
• [13:16] – “Jim’ll Fix It” and Savile’s creepy relationship with children’s wishes
• [17:17]–[18:51] – Savile’s “clown” identity and power of eccentricity
• [23:51] – Describes blatant abuse on BBC sets and institutional coverup
• [29:00] – Why Savile “beats out” Epstein and the unique damage he caused
• [35:36] – Main source: In Plain Sight by Dan Davies and other research texts
• [36:09]–[53:40] – Savile’s childhood, family, formative traumas and obsessions
• [65:47] – On the “power of oddness” and why he leaned into being clownish
• [77:42] – Beginning of his broadcasting/DJ innovation
• [86:10] – First known sexual abuse allegations in his 30s
• [121:14] – The "black pad" in Manchester and the wide scale of his abuses
• [127:12] – Story of raping the 16-year-old girl, resulting in pregnancy and forced abortion

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Tone, Humor, and Style

• The hosts toggle between rage, disgust, and black humor—especially as a way to cope with the horrifying details.
• They repeatedly call out the absurdity and horror of Savile’s open admissions, the indifference of institutions, and the impossibility of separating “talent” from evil in popular history—comparing Savile to figures like Bill Cosby and even infamous novelty songwriters.
• British culture’s role—deferential, eccentric, and systemically repressive—receives consistent, often biting commentary.

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Conclusion & Lead-in for Next Episode

• The episode ends with Savile cementing his status as a major broadcaster and social fixture, and the escalation of his crimes both in scope and institutional protection.
• The hosts stress that, as bad as these stories are, “it only gets worse from here,” promising that Part II will delve even deeper into Savile’s predation, the BBC, and the abuse of power.

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For Further Exploration

• Main Source: In Plain Sight by Dan Davies
• Other Sources: The Beast by John McShane; Untouchable Jimmy Savile by Shaun Attwood

Recommended Viewing:

• When Louis Met... Jimmy (BBC, Louis Theroux) – referenced as providing the clearest view of Savile’s psychology (“one of the most interesting, incredible fucking… just talking to a legendary monster”; 55:11)

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Final Note

This episode serves as a forensic, sometimes chilling, examination of how a singular predator exploited—and was protected by—twentieth-century British institutions. The hosts walk listeners through both historical fact and cultural critique, promising more revelations and analysis in the episodes that follow.

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“If every single person is your friend, then nobody’s your friend… Everything’s shallow. There’s nobody in there except for old Jim the pillow.”
— Marcus Parks (17:01)

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End of Summary – Part I

Transcript

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[Ed Larson]

There's no place to escape to.

[Marcus Parks]

This is the lost on the left.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's when the cannibalism started.

[Ed Larson]

What was that?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think it's important to get the funny stuff out. Up top.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Okay.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And because today's episode is about a funny person in a way, like a super funny guy.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Well, I mean, some people found him to be amusing at times.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think that's the term most for him. Right?

[Ed Larson]

Amusing.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He's amusing, you know, and so maybe we can, you know, maybe keep it a little light up top.

[Ed Larson]

Okay. You know. Sure.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Knock, knock.

[Marcus Parks]

Who's there?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Jimmy Savile.

[Marcus Parks]

Jimmy Savile who?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think you fucking know.

[Marcus Parks]

What do you mean?

[Henry Zebrowski]

What's going on here?

[Marcus Parks]

Are you attacking me?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Are you afraid to answer the question?

[Ed Larson]

I know.

[Henry Zebrowski]

For the fact that you knew what was going on the whole time and you hit it and I knew you knew something and I can't believe that

[Marcus Parks]

you were part of the problem. I didn't know.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Hide it.

[Marcus Parks]

I shouldn't do anything about it.

[Ed Larson]

Welcome to last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the indignant, rage filled Henry Zabrowski.

[Henry Zebrowski]

This might be the most angry I've been. I think that I like Heinrich Himmler more. Wow. I think that I could spend a longer lunch with Heinrich Himmler than today's subject.

[Marcus Parks]

I will say.

[Ed Larson]

All right.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay. Hear about this. Himmler tried to do stuff for other people.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Interesting. Interesting concept. That's a good intro for Eddie.

[Ed Larson]

We have, according To Henry's bit. Former employee at the BBC, Ed Larson with us.

[Henry Zebrowski]

What's going on?

[Marcus Parks]

What's going on?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm just gonna. I'm just one of those. Oh, oh, don't see nothing. Don't see nothing. That's actually gonna be a common catchphrase for the next eight hours of this series. Didn't say nothing.

[Ed Larson]

Well, once he goes behind closed doors, what am I going to do?

[Henry Zebrowski]

What am I to do? He's just a man.

[Marcus Parks]

You have to trust a guy who's got 10 flats and a rape van.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, that's always, you know, at least. At least he keeps it moving, you know.

[Ed Larson]

Correction, rape caravan. Today we are on to the second head on our Mount Rushmore of evil. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to finally reveal it. It's Jimmy Savile.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now, you are going to. Immediately, I can hear people being like, oh, my God, I can't believe you're doing this. But we had a really strong case as to why he's our British head.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Well, let's get into it. Let's start making that case. So Sir Jimmy Savile was one of the most prolific sexual predators that England has ever produced. A cunning, devious sociopath who used his fame as a broadcaster to rape, molest and sexually abuse hundreds, if not thousands of children, teenagers and adults.

[Marcus Parks]

Adults.

[Ed Larson]

And he did all of this while he used charitable activities as a smokescreen for his crimes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I will say thousands might not be an exaggeration.

[Ed Larson]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And also, if saying that he's one of the worst in England ever is making him pretty high up for all time.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Because now he's got Andrew, formerly known as hanging out there. He got his father hanging out there. They got a lot of guys, a lot of kings.

[Marcus Parks]

You got the guy who rewrote the Bible. Everybody sucks.

[Ed Larson]

It's the big Leowski joke. Puts him in the running for laziest in the world. Even though Jimmy Savile's reign of terror lasted throughout the second half of the 20th century, his crimes unfortunately came to light only after his death in 2011. Although rumors about Savile's proclivities had existed since the 1960s. But even with the rumors, Jimmy Savile was perhaps the most famous British citizen of the 20th century, who was almost entirely unknown outside of the United Kingdom. See, Savile shtick as a working class British weirdo didn't really work anywhere else in the world because Savile's sinister machinations were so specifically tailored to the British.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Lot of vinegar, lot of mayonnaise.

[Ed Larson]

But while his non British cultural footprint was so small that we didn't even know how to properly pronounce his name in America, when his crimes came to light, we called him Jimmy Saville. For years, Jimmy Savile was an institution unto himself in the United Kingdom. For nearly half a cent, Jimmy Savile was in fact perceived as a hero. He was an example of the best of Britain. He raised over £40 million for charities throughout his life. And that's from the 1960s up until the 2000s. I mean, considering inflation, it's hundreds of millions.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He was truly considered, more than anything, a philanthropist.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. He lent most of his support to institutions. Institutions like the Duncroft Approved School for Girls, Leeds General Infirmary, Stoke Mandeville Hospital, and the Broadmoor Mental Hospital. Each of those institutions were filled with vulnerable people. And since Sal's contributions and his fame earned the trust of the administrators, he was often given unlimited access to patients in various states of vulnerability. These institutions, of course, were where Jimmy Savile found a large portion of his victims.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now, I remember we had a long debate when we were choosing the heads, because I will even give you a clue as to the other two heads after this, is that they are way more in the traditional aspect of the most, the most evil men in the. In the world.

[Ed Larson]

Right.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Where are giant systemic changes, massive, like, you know, world changing, like fucked up. But with Jimmy Savile, what we wanted to do, for me, this meant a lot to me to do because I think that what he did and in his crimes show truly one of the most unabashed evil behaviors that a human being can do, which is take the most sacred art form of entertaining people like entered. Like I literally do believe the idea of the, the, the entertainer and you earn an audience's trust. And then the idea of somebody taking that very, very, very pure relationship and using it solely for rape is a thing that we're just seeing a lot of. And I think that It's a truly 20th century issue. And we have one for president.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. So I think that's kind of why this means a lot to me.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And you're trying to take back the haircut.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, I do have a lot of opinions. Unfortunately, Jimmy St. Of all of the evilest in the whole world. He looked good, right? In my mind, he had some funny looks. Rob, you shaking your head. You don't understand.

[Marcus Parks]

He looks shaking his head. Him saying that you don't look good.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's. He looks like Timothy Sham. Yeah, accidentally. But you people all said, oh, he's this kooky thing. But the look was one of the most important aspects of his entire personality.

[Marcus Parks]

It really was.

[Ed Larson]

Now, as far as why Jimmy Savile was famous in the uk, he got in on the ground floor when pop music became important in the late 50s and especially in the early 60s. His audience was therefore permanently between the ages of 13 and 18 teenagers. And he had the advantage of already being in his 30s when the British music scene exploded. See, besides being a radio DJ and an established personality on the BBC, Salvo was, starting in 1964, the first presenter of the legendary British countdown show Top of the Pops, which was something like a cross between American Bandstand and Total Request Live. It ran from 1964 until, I think 2006.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Damn. It went that long?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. If it helps our American audiences, you can think of Jimmy Savile as playing much the same role as like Dick Clark, Carson Daly or Ryan Seacrest. But the power and the fame that those men had or still have in America, and it pales in comparison to what Jimmy Savile enjoyed in the United Kingdom.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He also has got a little, little dusting of a Bill Cosby to him in terms of his love of children or his involvement with children.

[Ed Larson]

I mean, more than a dusting of Bill Cosby. I mean, I mean, I think Bill Cosby's much funnier.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He is. Of course, he wrote jokes.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Bill Cosby is the reason why I'm a comedian. Yeah. He inspired me as a little boy.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. But the idea of like a beloved institution, like, being proved to an absolutely vile human being. Yeah. Bill Cosby is the best one to one analog between America and the uk

[Henry Zebrowski]

because also his connections to the civil rights movement, what he meant to America. Bill Cosby was. Was shown as this being like, look, he's this healthy example of an African American father raising his family. He's a professional. He's in all the ads and all the stuff.

[Ed Larson]

And then a fantastic jazz musician. Like his taste in jazz, man, we used to get in college, we. Anytime a new Bill Cosby thing came out, we lost our minds.

[Marcus Parks]

Dude, I fucking.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You just can't anywhere near a hammock

[Marcus Parks]

when I'm setting it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I went to see Herby Hancock,

[Ed Larson]

right when I moved to New York

[Marcus Parks]

City, Carnegie hall, the whole night was hosted by Bill Cosby. It was the coolest thing in the world in the moment.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Do you remember right before he was all the hit the fan too. He was about to go back on tour and he was doing shows. Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

It was all. He was doing two hour shows.

[Ed Larson]

And what did it do to you when everything came out about destroyed?

[Marcus Parks]

I was. I was up for like a year about it, you know, and then I got obsessed with it and studying it and everybody was. And just like Jimmy Savile, that's how he got away with it. It's because nobody wanted to believe that it was true.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Nobody wanted to believe because of how much we put in on these guys.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. To that point, Jimmy Savile was also the host of the wildly popular children's show Jim Will Fix it, in which Savile acted as a sort of fairy godmother with a harsh Yorkshire accent. Children from across the UK would write letters asking Jimmy to make their wishes come true, no matter how silly or outlandish they might be. Think of Jim Will Fix It. Like make a. But if it wasn't just open to kids who were sick or dying.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. If it wasn't just a bummer. That sucks, man. You got to. You have to get sick to meet John Cena.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And. But that is true. It is. Make a wish without the bummer. You know, it's just making kids happy and the wish fulfillments, that was just content. That was what they filmed. So the kids could say and do the darndest things. Yeah. For example, one kid might ask to meet Donnie and Marie Osmond, and Jim will fix it and he'll make that happen. Another kid, like, for, like. Actually, a listener just wrote in with a picture of his father with Jimmy Savile. He said that his friend was a guest on Jim Will Fix it. And his friend asked if he could be one of Santa's elves at the North Pole for an afternoon. And Jimmy Savile made it happen. My personal favorite is the little girl who wanted to be a rat. Oh, okay. And she. They just dressed her up as a rat. And she awkwardly wandered around the studio dressed as a rat, just going, British

[Marcus Parks]

kids have all the wrong dreams.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

They're all like, be a slave making toys.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Maybe hold some coal. I wonder what it's like to feel some heat. Oh, what is it like to be inside a house?

[Marcus Parks]

Maybe it's just because rats have teeth.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. I guarantee you. There was one kid who asked, what's it like to be a chimney sweep? I guarantee you. But even though Jimmy Savile hated children and openly said so on multiple occasions, even while Jim Will Fix it was still on the air, he said, I don't like Children. I don't lock them. He knew it was good TV and the show ran for decades as one of the BBC's mainstays. I think it was on the air for 20 years.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, well, in the Louis Theroux thing he said, he always said that he hated children to like deflect from any accusations.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, he's a piece of. Yeah. Jimmy Savile literally said the term. He was like. Because he couldn't say he likes kids because then he'll get done up. Like Mike Jackson. Right. Like that was his whole thing is that they'll come for him. Like they. Because he called him Mike.

[Ed Larson]

Of course he called him Mike.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, Mike Jackson. And so the they. Yes. But we'll go even. This is the. The story of his whole miserable evil life.

[Ed Larson]

And that was just something that he said that to Louis Theroux years later in a. In an interview he did in 1991. He just straight up said like, yeah, I don't like kids. I don't have to like kids to do this show.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It was the way he said it because it was this he openly. Because it's just a hard thing to even get in the weeds on of how he was saying openly what his crimes are and what he was doing. So. But to comedic effect. So when he was saying stuff like, oh, I hate kids, I can't. I use them for their opportunities. These people are all smiling because they're like simple country man saying it like it is like he doesn't really mean it.

[Marcus Parks]

Obviously he joke sounds like a joke.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, but he was. He never said a single joke in his life.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, but while you'd think that Jim will fix it was Sav's one way ticket straight to pedophile town. You think you'd think it was more his work in the music business and the world of charity that gave Savl most of his opportunities to commit criminal sexual acts.

[Marcus Parks]

Where is pedophile town?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm actually. I think it's in Ohio, right?

[Ed Larson]

No, we all know it's in Florida.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, that's where they vacation.

[Ed Larson]

See, while Jimmy Savile is primarily known as a pedophile or pedophile, as the British say.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, it's cuter that way.

[Ed Larson]

I think just calling him a pedophile that greatly narrows the scope of Jimmy Sav's evil. He abused not only prepubescent children of both sexes, but also infants, teenagers, adults, invalids, and at times the elderly. His youngest victim was 2. His oldest was 75. And that's what we know yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Those are the people putting complaints.

[Ed Larson]

Yes. Through his charitable works, Jimmy Savile gained unsupervised access to patients with spinal injuries and mental illness. People who were being treated in England's hospitals. And it was in these hospitals that Savile would rape hundreds of helpless, disabled and sick people of all ages. There were even rumors of necrophilia.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And that. Honestly, I do think there's, there's kernels.

[Ed Larson]

There is. And we're going to get to that. Yeah. That's all to say that if Jimmy Savile thought that he could get away with abusing someone sexually, he did it. Because Jimmy Savile's most dangerous supervillain power was an innate understanding of where the line was, what he could get away with. And he therefore constructed an entire life that was designed solely to fulfill those twisted carnal desires.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, because he was very unfortunately, kind of smart.

[Ed Larson]

Kind of. He was, he was fucking brilliant.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He was wildly smart. They believed he had his IQ tested in his 30s at 151. He was a. He's wildly, wildly smart and has no emotional base. He keeps saying stuff like, I have no feelings. And I actually believe in many ways he does not have feelings. But what they say with psychopathy and sociopathy is that it actually does sometimes fire up your emotional IQ in a different way where you don't understand your own emotions but you can actually gain access to how other people feel a little bit easier when your own feelings are not in play. So he actually has more clear headed view of all times of how to manipulate people.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, he understands people on a different level and it's like one of those things when like if every single person is your friend, then nobody's your friend.

[Ed Larson]

Exactly.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, well, everything's shallow. Yeah, there's nobody in there except for old Jim the pillow. I don't like Jim the Pill.

[Ed Larson]

I don't either. Now Savile had a carefully crafted public Persona that was years in the making. He realized from a young age that there were, as he put it, opportunities in being different for those dazzled by his celebrity. The descriptors that came up again and again in relation to Jimmy Savile were oddball, eccentric, a bit weird. And all that is true. He was really weird. He acted weird and he looked weird. His hair was bleached and cut in the old school British page boy sty straight and shoulder length. And he dressed mostly in tracksuits or in costumes. And he would never explain the costume's purpose. He dressed up as a pharaoh and not tell anyone why he was dressed as a pharaoh. In other words, Jimmy Savile lived his life as a clown. And as John Wayne Gacy so famously put it, clowns get away with murder.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He is one of those accidental, magical figures that is hard to describe because what he, he, when he talks about the power of oddness, he is literally channeling Aleister Crowley. He is talking in the way of Anton lavey. He is talking about the very core of Carney, like personal enchantment that you'll find in the Satanic Witch, all these other books. He's talking about it. Naturally, he understood, naturally, this idea of, I create an unbelievable silhouette, an iconic version of myself. You'll never believe I have a real life.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And he understood. True opportunity.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Become an otherworldly person. You treat me like an otherworldly person, which means I don't have the same rules as you.

[Ed Larson]

That's true. But for those who saw past the celebrity in their interactions with Jimmy Savile, he was clocked as creepy for decades. The descriptors that those people used going back to the 50s, were intimidating, combative and most often menacing. Jimmy Savile openly and proudly said in multiple interviews that he had no emotions towards others, that he didn't have feelings, and what you saw was what you got. In other words, he was very much admitting to being a full psychopath without actually saying the word. But for the British people, all that was waved away as him just being eccentric. Refreshing, really. And Savile thrived at a time when it was not only accepted in England to say that you didn't really give a fuck about other people, but you could be applauded for it, admired for it and emulated. Thank you, Margaret fucking Thatcher.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And we're right back in it. Yep. And we are very much right back in the fo. We're right back in it, back in

[Ed Larson]

the sauce, where it's okay. It's, it's, it's. You're supposed to say, I don't care about anybody else. I, I, I care about me and my family and that's it. But I don't care about anybody else.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's why it's a pedophile government. Like, literally, like none like before.

[Marcus Parks]

Like, it's one of those things because you're watching this and you're like, it's so, I mean, obviously, hindsight, you know, but, like, it's so obvious. Yeah, well, that he's such a creep and a horrible human being.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But again, that's the power. That's the magic that is literally what you see. What you mean by enchantment is that you are. Your thoughts are bouncing off the shield that he has created. And it's thick.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. He's truly. It's truly a bewitchment.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

He might as well have ran, like, teen beauty pageants.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Weird, right? I feel like it's the one thing he didn't do.

[Ed Larson]

But speaking of the arts, Conservative British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Jimmy Savile was extremely close to this incredibly powerful villain. Him and Margaret Thatcher were friends. And in the end, Savile would not have gotten away with his crimes without facing an ounce of consequence had it not been for the powerful connections he made throughout his career. Connections like Margaret Thatcher. Jimmy Savile had so much influence in the United Kingdom that he was able to test his luck with the most powerful people in the country. Like the time he licked Princess Diana, right around the time he received his knighthood from the Queen.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And again, all of these are fun games. If he didn't turn out he was molesting.

[Ed Larson]

No, it wouldn't be funny games.

[Marcus Parks]

Lick the princess.

[Ed Larson]

You can't lick a woman.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I try not to. I'm just saying I couldn't. Look, I, I, I.

[Ed Larson]

You can't lick someone that you just meet. You can't lick people.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Did it that one time in the Video Awards.

[Ed Larson]

You're right. You lick a dog, it be different,

[Henry Zebrowski]

you know, whatever you. Let's continue.

[Marcus Parks]

Going to be a lot of hairy territory.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Princess.

[Ed Larson]

But even though Jimmy Savile assaulted the princess of the realm, perhaps the most beloved person in all of England, his influence over the culture was so dominant that the licking was simply another indignity for Diana to endure after she joined the pit of vipers that was the British royal family. Savile actually had an extensive and close relationship with all of the royals, specifically the man who is now King Charles. He was, of course, Prince Charles back then. And as we now know, the royal family is full of pedophiles and sexual monsters. Monsters like Prince Andrew or Lord Mountbatten, who also has the nickname Lord Mount Bottom. And his heinous and incredibly underreported crimes are going to be covered in episode three.

[Marcus Parks]

Marcus.

[Ed Larson]

Yes, sir?

[Marcus Parks]

Two words. Netflix uk. You know, it's just like, we see, if they don't like this kind of

[Ed Larson]

doc,

[Henry Zebrowski]

it's too late, dude. Stop hiring them.

[Ed Larson]

We're going out.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, man. It's interesting because it's so hard to find the stuff that BBC put out about Jimmy Sapphire. Everything they could to bury it from America. We're. I'm. I don't give a. I'm torrenting it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I literally couldn't get a hold of the Louis Theroux episode. I had to go find. To go find it through other means.

[Marcus Parks]

Two of them.

[Henry Zebrowski]

There's one.

[Marcus Parks]

The first one that's on Daily Motion and the second one's on. What? What is it It.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Right. Yo, you think I was on it? I don't even.

[Marcus Parks]

Disgusting place.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah, I'll find it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, it's out there. I had to go find it.

[Ed Larson]

Well, speaking of the BBC, this is not just the story of one man sociopathy. This is also the story of how that psychopath was protected by the powers that be at every turn. See, the reason why people refer to Savile mostly as a pedophile is because his main victim pool was young teenage girls. And this was an open secret at the BBC for decades. In fact, there is footage of Jimmy Savile goosing a teenage girl repeatedly during an episode of Top of the Pops. Like they're coming back from a commercial and he's goosing. She's going, ah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Stop.

[Ed Larson]

Ah. And he's just fucking staring at the camera, delivering his lines. It is so obvious that it is insane that no one said anything publicly at the time. But the fact that many of Savile's crimes happened on BBC property ensured that Jimmy Savile was always protected by the BBC. Additionally, Jimmy Savile was such a surefire moneymaker for the BBC that they did everything they could to protect his reputation. Even after his death, there were a lot of episodes of Jim Will Fix it that could have run forever. Stories about his crimes that were held back while he was alive for fear of libel. Suits were still spiked by the BBC in the months after his passing. Missing and mostly, the BBC did this to protect their programming schedule because they had planned multiple tributes to Savile's life that were set to be aired during the 2011 Christmas season. Because there's nothing that the British love more than a Christmas special.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, I just found out John Lithgow was talking about how the only movie he's really known for in the UK is his Christmas movie, the Santa Claus movie.

[Ed Larson]

My God. No, Chris. Like the Doctor who Christmas special. The Office like, yeah, the British go nuts for Christmas specials.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think it's the most British holiday.

[Ed Larson]

Christmas.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. In my mind, I've spent a Christmas in. In Britain.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It is magical because there's something about. It's like little Socks. There's something about everybody's at the chimney.

[Marcus Parks]

There's lots of chimneys.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Lots of chimneys. There's about big fat man coming in the house at night eating your food. Big British thing.

[Ed Larson]

The hats. They like the paper hats. The crackers.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They love all that.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Stupid stuff. King Wenzel Sloth, who was Polish. But also my question is, is it doesn. But isn't their main thing is because their libel and slander laws are really serious in the uk.

[Ed Larson]

Very serious.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And that's kind of the. Not to. Not to explain BBC's behavior at all. It just. It's not like in America where people go back and forth on defamation all the time and nothing really happens. Like you can lose a fuck ton of money.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, it can be pretty serious. Like, you have to, like, you have to have a headshot if you're going to do something like that. But that and. But that can kind of sort of explain why the BBC didn't want to. To print any stories while he was still alive.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, they did it to protect their reputation, but it's only because they could be sued for the rest of their lives.

[Ed Larson]

Maybe.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think.

[Ed Larson]

I don't. Maybe.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, that and you know, their studios were his playground.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, I remember Felicia Rashad showed me the When I went to go do. I was shooting in southern Brooklyn and I went to go. That was in the. Where the Cosby show was shot. And she showed me his special natural room. I'll always remember that. One of the most special memories of my life.

[Ed Larson]

Wow.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Truly one of the nicest, happiest memories I'd ever had up until that point. W. And then still I love that I miss. I took a nap. I just slapped there. I took my pain. I honestly, I just to kind of celebrate. Bill, I took my pants out of my ankles and I. I fell asleep right there. But he didn't come.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, he didn't come.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, I never. I thought that he would be like the tooth fairy.

[Ed Larson]

You thought he'd show up?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm g. To see. Come here. Come up. Do. He's going to try one. Oh, no, it's too late. It's a dude.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm coming inside the dude. See, that's the thing is like, you know what? That's one of those. Keep right up here. We'll keep moving.

[Ed Larson]

Keeping the head.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Keeping the head.

[Marcus Parks]

I think we're getting a couple of those this time.

[Ed Larson]

Good work. No, people still. I mean, it's. It's amazing how hard. Hard this. Hold on. Celebrity people can have because, you know I was telling you guys, like, I, like, we had to use a notary to sign some documents the other day, and this dude, like, openly told it. Like, we were like, yeah, we used to live in Brooklyn. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm a huge Cosby show fan. The show, the show. The Cosby Show. I love Bill Cosby, but the show. And it's like, dude, it is 2026, dude.

[Henry Zebrowski]

There's a bunch of shows that have happened in Brooklyn, plenty of shows, a lot of Brooklyn shows.

[Ed Larson]

And I. To get through it. So I was just like, yeah, I used to live in Bed Stuy. That's where they're at, those brownstones. Because this whole thing was. He loved the brownstone.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He's not wrong.

[Marcus Parks]

Interesting.

[Ed Larson]

But if you're asking why Jimmy Saville is one of the heads on our Mount Rushmore of evil, instead of, say, another notorious sexual monster with connections to multiple powerful institutions, there are two reasons why Savile beats out the other obvious contender here, Jeffrey Epstein. For one. The story of Jeffrey Epstein is nowhere near over. His story changes and grows with every drop of information that comes out. And we can't tell his story because we simply still don't know what Jeffrey Epstein's story is.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And that's why he won legitimately. He is in heaven celebrating every day now. You're talking about Saville, Jeffrey Epstein.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. So you don't think Saville made it to have it?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, no. Yeah, he's right there.

[Marcus Parks]

Charlie Kirk, Jimmy Savile, Michael Jackson, they

[Henry Zebrowski]

all finally get to see each other again. It's one of the nicest places in the world because we know that Jimmy Savile died with a smile on his face.

[Ed Larson]

He did, yeah. Secondly, Jeffrey Epstein never pretended to be good. Savile, on the other hand, used the trust of the British people and the levers of charity as constant opportunities to fulfill his most deviant desires. Savile perverted good for the sake of committing pure evil. And he inflicted that psychic destruction across an entire country in the process. This is true evil. This is the type of evil that makes people less trusting of each other. This is the type of evil that destroys people's faith in humanity and therefore makes the world a far worse place. And that shit spiders out across in 2026, that shit spiders out across the globe.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's so much pain. It's so much pain he caused. And the thing about Epstein, too, too, I really believe, in many ways, of all of the Things he only existed because of the systemic needs for. For a guy like him.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He filled a lot of purposes for a lot of guys. He was on Jeffrey Epstein's own team. He worked for the Russians, the Israelis, and us. He did all in one. He was constant player. But in the end, he was making money off of institutionalized businesses, like, you know, using finance and. And using all this kind of shit. So it's like the.

[Marcus Parks]

To him. Him.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Jeffrey Epstein, unfortunately still was a pedophile second. Right. He was a international man of mystery first.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Then he was a pedophile. Pedophile is what he did to relax. Right. Being a spy was what he was doing for work. So Jimmy Savile, though, the only thing he was concentrated on was rape.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Just a sexual predator through and through that. He built his entire life around that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And Savile, he wasn't like, he.

[Ed Larson]

He.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He didn't.

[Marcus Parks]

Did he do it for other people, too? Like, did he, like. Like, did he sell people?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I don't know. He did not sell people, but he shared people.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. It was all. But at the end of the day, it really was just all about Jimmy Savile. And it wasn't about. Because, like with Epstein, a lot of it was about gaining power, leverage, gaining connections. With Saville, it was just about him all the time.

[Henry Zebrowski]

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[Marcus Parks]

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[Ed Larson]

Now, we used a lot of sources for this series, but our main source is an incredible book called In Plain Sight by Dan Davies. Goes a little too deep on the BBC drama. It's a bit of a he took the plane to the train to the, you know, and so on so forth. But it is still a fascinating look into the life of Jimmy Savile.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The opening chapter is haunting that book. It's great.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And that book is supplemented by the beast by John McShane and the Untouchable Jimmy Saville by Sean Atwood, as well as multiple articles and documentaries that exist about Jimmy Savile.

[Marcus Parks]

Did this all come out after? None of these came out before he died.

[Ed Larson]

Not a single one. No, not a single story came out about, like an actual story. Not a single one came out when Jimmy Savile was still alive.

[Marcus Parks]

I definitely had never heard of his existence before the Netflix series.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Yeah. And so, without further ado, let's get into the life of One of the UK's greatest monsters, the second head on our Mount Rushmore of Evil, Sir Jimmy Savile. So James Wilson Vincent Savile was born on what other day but Halloween 1926, in the industrial northern English city of Leeds. Savile's family was Catholic, and as the youngest of seven children five years younger than the Savile family's sixth child, Jimmy always referred to himself as the not again child, unwanted and unexpected. His father was Vince Saville, a butcher's assistant in the straight world who had a knack for numbers. This made him exceptional at his real money making endeavor, managing bets on horse races. He was a black market bookie. This was at a time when most gambling was still illegal in Britain.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And normally you had a bet, it would be, you'd get two wet old women and guys would stand where with. They would stand with coins. The goal is to throw coins at their wet clothes until it filled their clothes, their pants, like their pantaloons. Enough that the pants would slowly slide down and they'd bet on which one would hit the ground first.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, like if your coin was the one that took the trousers down, you would get all the coins in the trousers.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They'd also race hogs and boys.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, interesting. I mean, that I'd pay to see, of course. I mean, I hate gambling, but put some money on the hog.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Honestly, in the end, you're just supporting farms.

[Ed Larson]

From what we know from our coverage about Fred and Rose west and Peter Sutcliffe. Sutcliffe, by the way, he's going to make a couple of appearances later on in this story.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Great.

[Ed Larson]

Cool. Northern England is indeed seedy as it's got some incredibly dark corners where horrific happens on a regular basis. It is very similar to the American

[Henry Zebrowski]

south because it's also idolized. Right? It's idealized.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, it's idealized. You know, it's very. It's the worst working class part of England where, you know, you get your factories, you get your, your farmers. That's Yorkshire's farming landscrum.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Hope you like scrum. Yeah, you like a scrum? Hold on.

[Marcus Parks]

So Old York sucked?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, Old York sucked. New York, great.

[Marcus Parks]

All right.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Much better.

[Marcus Parks]

Hell yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Formerly New Amsterdam.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Well, even before Jimmy Saville was born, his father Vince, was involved in the black market that thrived in life. Leeds. Later, Jimmy Savile described Leeds as a city of sin with illegal gambling and sex workers galore. And while Jimmy Savile exaggerated and lied a lot, he was not lying about that. Leeds was rough. Now, Jimmy Savile would often describe his father as almost a non entity in his life. Savile said he demanded nothing from his father and his father demanded nothing from him. Likewise, Jimmy's six siblings barely rate a mention when Jimmy would spin his own myth.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And you would say, I had an incredibly close relationship with my father. That was like the whole thing, right? Which is. He was his perfect example of a relationship in which two people sit in a room and say nothing to each other. Like, I'm not even exaggerating. He says that the reason why they were so close is because they never had a conversation. And what about.

[Marcus Parks]

Are any of his siblings still alive?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I think so.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And do they?

[Ed Larson]

Well, maybe. I don't know. They're. I mean, he's probably not. Yeah, probably not, actually. No.

[Marcus Parks]

No, they can't be. Just look at. Doing the numbers in my head.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He paid them off as well.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. You think so? Yes, because they said nothing.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They said nothing, but they didn't know necessarily. They were not a part of his life. They became satellites that he would pay off.

[Ed Larson]

But the person that loomed incredibly large over Jimmy's life was his mother, Agnes, whom Jimmy always called the Duchess. She was the only person in Jimmy's life that he spoke about on a regular basis. And it has been suggested that Jimmy was exceedingly close to the Duchess in ways that was. Were unhealthy, to say the least.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Super old school British.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Because they invented incest, right?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, the British definitely invented in at least, you know, mother, son, incest. Thank you.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Well, as author John McShane put it,

[Marcus Parks]

sure wasn't the Greeks,

[Henry Zebrowski]

actually, they frowned upon incest. That was one of the things that they would punish in ancient cultures.

[Ed Larson]

Well, as author John McShane put it, we'll never know just how strong the bond was between Jimmy Savile and the Duchess, nor will we know just how far the relationship went, which is a

[Henry Zebrowski]

really gross thing considering you're all considering how. How close a mother and son can be.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, so you guys are talking about them.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah,

[Ed Larson]

I'm being suble about it. Do you get how subtle I'm being about that?

[Henry Zebrowski]

There's a little detective work in this series.

[Ed Larson]

Well, all we know is that whatever went on between the two of them was intentional, tense and secretive. And Savile always maintained that his mother was the only true love of his life. Other people, however, described the Duchess as denigrating and rejecting. And it's been said that Savile's relationship with his mother led him to believe that all women were controlling and castrating. Jimmy Savile, therefore, never formed a meaningful bond with any woman throughout his life. Aside, of course, from the unhealthy bond he had with the world woman that he always referred to as the Duchess.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. The thing that, that haunted me that I heard him say multiple times, was that he didn't like being with women for more than two hours because it would give him brain damage.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The brain damage, I think, was his cute. His cute thing about women needing thing. The idea of having another human need things from you.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And his idea, which makes me realize that his idea of brain damage would be, I guess, a conscience.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. Feeling an emotion. Yeah, yeah. It's brain damage.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

If you had any sort of attachment is brain damage. Like, and actually that is exactly what it is because he uses. He also uses brain damage to talk about women that would get attached to him. He's like, oh, they get the brain. They get the brain damage. And that's what brain damage is to him is attachment.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It almost means like, the idea of having personal responsibility for the emotions of another human. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Now, as I said earlier, Jimmy Savile had a meticulously crafted personality. And with that personality came a mythology. See, even though his father made good money as a black market bookie, Savile maintained that he grew up penniless in a time and place where opportunity didn't exist. It wasn't really true, it was kind of true. He said he scraped for attention trying to survive as the youngest of seven in a working class family living on the breadline in a northern civil city. And of course, he wasn't on the breadline. His family was not on the breadline. His father did just fine. But this worked wonders for the working class cred that Jimmy Savile spent his entire life cultivating. That was partly why Margaret Thatcher loved him so much. It's like, it's like, oh, he's a, a small town boy done good, you know, he, he brought himself up from nothing. And if he can do it, why can't everyone else?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like other wonderful stars, like, and people that just, just made it from the bottom up, like Kid Rock guys that are just like, you know, guys. Definitely. Yeah. He started from the bottom of the middle, higher income bracket and ended up to the very top.

[Ed Larson]

But yes, another working class hero, Chris

[Henry Zebrowski]

Brown, that came from nothing good. Donald Trump is a guy made good. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

See, with Savill's upbringing, he always liked to make it as tragic and dire as possible while also making himself miraculous. He claimed that he almost died of an unknown illness when he was a child, but he would refuse to elaborate on what that illness was he would defeat. He was just saying that when you were poor, you got ill and generally died. He would then claim that the Duchess brought him back to life by praying to a recently deceased Scottish nun. Savile said he was on the verge of death. But when his grandmother put a mirror under his nose to see if he was still breathing, the power of the nun coursed through him and he pissed in his grandmother's eye instead of dying. And this story is a great example of Jimmy Savile's usual patter. It's stuff that he thought was hilarious and cute, but it's actually just kind of gross and awful. It's something, something you'd fake laugh at if someone told it to you in a bar. Because the story is just so uncomfortable.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's sort of his entire gig.

[Ed Larson]

It is, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And I will say that kind of that happened to me last night. I'm Tootsie pissed in the bed instead of dying.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And she'll just keep doing that if you let her. Yeah. That's why you gotta plug it up. Maybe you gotta plug her up. Maybe she gotta stop this.

[Marcus Parks]

We do have a waterproof blanket for.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm gonna beg Tootsie to die next time I come to your house. I'm gonna beg her to finally let go. I'm just going to say let these people go. Like let Ed and Julie go on a vacation.

[Marcus Parks]

She'll just get another one.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, just like she's going to get one of the. You going to come home? She's going like the doctor said she was split in two and we've just been sort of. We're going to have to keep applying this glue to sort of keep the two sides of her together. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

She has noses where her eyes should be.

[Ed Larson]

But I do want to say is like congratulations to Frankie for finally getting her bandage off.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Off.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Yeah. She had to have another surgery and get a. A broken toe amputated. But now the. The bandage is off and she's just running around like a good little dog.

[Marcus Parks]

So did you keep the toe?

[Ed Larson]

They. We actually were so mad that we forgot to ask. Yeah, we were driving. Cuz we said like because you have

[Marcus Parks]

like a bone collection.

[Ed Larson]

I know we said. But we were on our ways. Like don't forget to ask about the toe. Don't forget that both me and Carolina have adhd, so we forgot.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's also hard in the moment and you know they're just gonna get angry.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, maybe they still got it. They probably haven't turned it into.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So honestly, just get a dog's toe, you won't tell the difference.

[Ed Larson]

Interestingly, back to Jimmy Savile.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm going to bring him a dog472

[Ed Larson]

if you have any extra dog talks. But back to the story of Jimmy Savile's childhood illness. The real story about Jimmy's childhood ailment might have had a bearing on Jimmy Savile's future psychopathy. According to the Duchess, Jimmy jumped about so much as a baby that one day he finally fell out of his pram. And the hood of the pram caught the back of his ne neck and severed one of his muscles. Because apparently in 1920s, the prams and the strollers, not very safe.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, they're all like. I. I saw what Oswald Cobblepot was in in Batman Returns. Like it's bad dude. But I actually kind of believe this. The Duchess says that he was a very wildly active, literal, like an infant. Like literally full of energy.

[Marcus Parks]

He was like an old man.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Well, the infant Savile, after the injury was unable to sit up, sleep, or close his eyes and he had intermittent spasms that would cause his head to twist around until he was effectively staring behind him. The element continued for three months. But after the Duchess prayed to the nun, she said Jimmy went to sleep, then woke up miraculously cured. This, as both Jimmy and the Duchess maintain, was evidence that Jimmy had been spared for a special purpose. He was the miracle child, the chosen one, a man who was saved so he could entertain the good people of Great Britain and spend every spare moment raising money for the less fortunate. The story, however, reminds me of another infamous villain. It sounds fairly similar to the extreme physical trauma that Jeffrey Dahmer went through as a small child with his botched hernia surgery.

[Marcus Parks]

That's fascinating.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Because these sorts of traumas, if they're not taken care of correctly, they can greatly affect a child's emotional development. And it's possible that Jimmy's little accident. Accident. Could have greatly contributed to his sociopathy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Jeffrey Dahmer's another person I like better than Jimmy Savile. Like, I like. At least Jeffrey Dahmer did it because he was in love. Yeah, right. Like he was. He was in love. And then he did say, at least, I'm sorry.

[Ed Larson]

He at least felt bad about it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, he said, I'm sorry.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, Jimmy Saville couldn't cook.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Not a play. And he was a teacher totaler, which made you know that every one of his crimes was done with the absolute peering, sober qualities of a true predator. Where Jeffrey Dahmer had to get blackout to do it all.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Jimmy Saville did indeed go to a Catholic school in Leeds, where the nuns were known to beat children. But corporal punishment was the norm across British schools until the Education act of 1986. So there's no secrets to be found there.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, you guys got probably normal, normal corporals.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Catholic schools, however, were known especially for flogging the bare buttocks of their children, which was done by schoolmasters, nuns and priests. This, of course, is where the other half of Jimmy's evil may have been created.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, because that's like. Like a sexy scenario to be doing there. You know what I mean?

[Marcus Parks]

Actually, I'm gonna. I'm gonna let you know that the. Sister Dolores, she hit me in 1986, honestly. And she wasn't very sexy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But imagine if Sister Dolores, Sister K,

[Marcus Parks]

on the other hand.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But think about the fact that if Sister Kathleen was stuck in a well or something like that, were going to get at the back of her. That would be a fun scenario for some people.

[Marcus Parks]

My mom often could accuse Sister Kathleen of being a lesbian. And I don't know who was wrong in that situation. My mom or sister Kathleen, probably both, who knows?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. The woman. That's the women that spanked me repeatedly when I was a child. They were like, Mrs. Hasty wasn't sexy.

[Marcus Parks]

No.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He could put some makeup on. You never know. Catch her on the weekend.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Maybe she took her time. She would have been more sexy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Light a candle, Hasty.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Well, it's a well known fact that the vast majority of sexual abusers, specifically those who abuse young children, were themselves abused. And it's speculated that Jimmy Savile might have been the victim of a Catholic priest's sexual abuse. There's no evidence, but I think it's a safe bet.

[Marcus Parks]

Flip a coin.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, is it really disgusting thing to say that I can genuinely see a world where he is molested and when he is molested, he legitimately. Because one of the main issues with it is that you do believe in some level, like if you're getting groomed, you're. You're believing that this is an expression of love.

[Ed Larson]

Sure.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That this is happening to you to quote, unquote, make you feel good.

[Marcus Parks]

Right.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's a part of the fucked up logic that they use on you to groom you.

[Marcus Parks]

One day I'll grow up and fuck a boy.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But I think that legitimately, he. That goes right into the old brain bank. Yeah. Which is why he'd go on to say, I didn't hurt anybody's feelings later on.

[Ed Larson]

Well, likewise, Jimmy Savile also said that he was mostly left alone as a young child, being the youngest of seven. And, hell, I was the youngest of three. And I was left alone to figure things out in a world of adults as well. So I can't even fucking imagine what it was like with seven. But I also know how close I came to being molested many, many, many times. And since Jimmy Savile's father was involved with shady figures in the black market, it's possible that Savile might have experienced sustained abuse by adults in his life, the criminals his father associated with. And that's in addition to what he may have suffered in school. Now, since Savile was left alone so much, he spent a lot of time during his childhood at the St. Joseph's Home for the Age, which was just across the street from. From his house. There, Savile helped the nuns care for the elderly in the infirm. Now, this sounds nice, but this was also where Savile developed his lifelong obsession with death. See, the young Jimmy Savile was allowed to ride in the hearse as a treat when an elderly resident died and the body had to be transported to the funeral. Savile, however, even from a young age, was completely detached from the deaths of these people that he'd gotten. No, personally, a ride in the hearse was what he got when he was a good boy.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, well, he probably didn't have go to school that day.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, I.

[Marcus Parks]

As someone who was an altar boy who would get out of school to work the funerals, I kind of see this.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, but did you have. Do you cover in the story when the nun said to him, like, he was. There was a lady that he was. Got really close with, like, that was like, one of the first times that he had kind of really showed his obsession with dead bodies. When the nun basically, like, it was like, Mrs. Gracie or whatever. He's like, oh, Ms. Gracie passed, and he was like, oh, I liked Ms. Gracie.

[Marcus Parks]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They'd be like, you can go kiss her goodbye. And so he'd go down into the morg to her dead body and he'd, like, hang out with her dead body.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And that kind of where it seemed to start.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Should have been just a peck, you

[Henry Zebrowski]

know, but also, like, let's not kiss corpses. My whole thing is you could see, you could wave at the funeral.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I've kissed a corpse.

[Marcus Parks]

I've kissed one.

[Ed Larson]

I was. I was forced to. I didn't want to.

[Marcus Parks]

By whom I chose to kiss.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah, it's like that. I won't kiss a corpse. I don't care what you say to me. I'm not kissing a corpse. I don't care how hot that corpse is.

[Marcus Parks]

I'll kiss your dead body.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You can. I'll be dead. Never kissing a corpse.

[Ed Larson]

Now, Savile claimed that helping out the nuns at St. Joseph's taught him that doing nice things for people isn't a bad idea, that they would pat you on the head and be pleased to see you if you made their lives a little easier. But I think the real lesson Jimmy Savile learned here is that doing charitable activities can be an incredible smokescreen for getting away with anything. And he learned that lesson at quite a young age. Now, all these tidbits, these are gold mines for armchair psychologists like ourselves, or for authors or podcasters, whoever. But anytime Jimmy Savile was pressed to talk about any of these things in interviews beyond the surface level, he would get defensive, annoyed, and most of the time, quite, quite combative. When Savo was interviewed for a Radio 4 show called in the Psychiatrist Chair in 1991. For example, the interviewer noticed that Jimmy was exceedingly edgy the entire time. Like a prize fighter, he said on his toes. Anticipating a punch. Throughout the interview, which is both fascinating and chilling, Savile spent most of his mental energy talking about money. This was the interview where Savile came straight out and said that he didn't have emotions. He said he had no feelings for other people and he had never had feelings for other people. He's all but admitting he was a sociopath. And he said this in 1991 on the BBC. It's 20 years before his crimes came to light.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I do believe if you want to understand a villain's mind, that interview is one of the most interesting, incredible fucking. It is literally just talking to a. One of the most legendary monsters. Explain own personal philosophy over and over again. Well, because the reason why the guy even had him on the show was because Jimmy Savile said psychiatrists were all full of. Right. Like, he was. Obviously, he was one of those. So he says, so would he. I remember the whole thing when he invited him in and he's just like, why are you even doing this show? And he's just like, because you invited me. I don't go places where I'm not invited. You invited me. And I always say, yes.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, he says, I say yes to everything.

[Marcus Parks]

And whenever he got asked a question, I didn't see this interview, but whenever I noticed in other ones that he got asked a question he didn't want to answer, he's like, next. Yeah, next. Yeah, they just say that every single time until, like, they would just keep going.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's supposed to be a funny affectation and it's just like, no, we're asking for your answers.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. But he would be. He would be very menacing and intimidating.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, he was. And that. I feel like that was the first time when I saw that, when I saw. When I listened to. In the. In the Psychiatrist Chair, I was like, he might be the most evil person to ever live.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like literally. Like, literally.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, I've been. I've seen a lot of old British interviews because I, you know, I like rock and roll and they're always combative.

[Ed Larson]

Always.

[Marcus Parks]

They're always starting shit.

[Ed Larson]

Now, I seem to remember a time when perhaps you had done something that was. Well, some might call it illegal, I wouldn't call it illegal, but these are my opponents. It's always like, side, like, it's just like, they Just know British journalists, goddamn, they're fucking vicious, man. Nothing scarier than a British journalist.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. Never. If you're in a room talking with Louis Theroux, you. You fucked up.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like, if you're in a room being interviewed by Louis Theroux, you're a bad guy. Yeah, Right. It's bad news.

[Ed Larson]

Now, being born in 1926, Jimmy Savile was a part of the World War II generation. But while many English families struggled during the war, the Saviles did just fine as the Nazis did their best to bring England to its knees. Because Vince Saville was deeply connected to the Leeds black market, Jimmy was also involved in that black market, and he claimed that when he was 14 years old, he began hanging out at a dangerous Leeds dance hall called the Mecca Locarno. Now, the Mecca Dance Halls were a chain that had locations all over England. They were very popular. And as the war dragged on, the Mecca dance halls in each English city became focal points for the communities. A place where everyone could go and relax and maybe forget about the Blitz for a second. But it just so happened that the community in Leeds, it was as sleazy as they came. And as Savile put it, while hanging out at the Meca Locarno, he became the confidant of murderers, whores, black marketeers and crooks of every trade, as well as the innocent people they preyed upon. In fact, Savile claimed that he once saw a dismembered corpse stuffed in luggage and left out behind the Mechelocarno dance hall. But we unfortunately couldn't find any details to confirm this claim. Could be true. Most likely. I think it is true.

[Marcus Parks]

Could be a lie or a fucking confession.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The thing is that there's so many lies and so many confessions, and what he says, it is impossible to tell now.

[Ed Larson]

But regardless of whether or not this is a tall tale, Jimmy Savile was always proud of his grimy beginnings. And if any of it is true, then it means that Savile experienced all this and he chose to stick around because the Mecha Licarno looms large in Saville's history.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's the big thing. You saying that that makes, like, a sense. That's the thing, right, is that if

[Ed Larson]

it's true, he experienced it and he was like, I'm fine with it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I like this.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, it's his. It's where he was born.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. Now, part of the reason why Savile was able to tolerate all the bad shit happening around the dance hall was because Jimmy had always been a sociopath. He openly said that he often. And this is something that he like, wrote in his book, he often wondered why people wept during the war when one of their relatives were killed. He couldn't understand why people were sad when other people died. He said that he was more, quote, inquiring than affected. For example, when Leeds was bombed by the Nazis In March of 1941, Jimmy and his mother were forced to very suddenly take shelter in a doorway. And when the raid ended, Savile walked out into the street to find a black leather glove still containing the severed hand of a bombing victim. Now that's a harrowing tale, but when Savile told it, he savored this memory like we might savor, like a cherished childhood recollection about a vacation that somewhere we might consider memor. I mean, for me, mine's a hike that my family took to a beautiful crater lake in Colorado when I was like 5.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Mine was when I found 10 breasts inside of a bowling bag outside of Miramax, Colorado. It was big. I can't believe. How many tits could he get in that bowling bag?

[Marcus Parks]

He could have been confused. You know, it is leads. You know, he could have found that hand in a glove any day.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Seriously.

[Ed Larson]

Well, I mean, for Jimmy Savile, his magical childhood memory was a woman being blown to bits by Nazi bombs. You know, that's. That's what put a glimmer and a twinkle in Jimmy Savile's eye.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And he's. Again, it's all. It's. This is what we're up against 24,7 now. It's this whole. But it was a joke, it was an exaggeration. But it telling you something very indicative about this person, that he thinks that during the. That this is a section from a movie from. Come and see.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, that's a scene from a brutal, brutally depressing war film.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And he was like, oh, look, hand in the glove. Yeah, like that's. You have to remember that it's. He's a fucking psychopath. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Jimmy Savile turned 18 in 1944 and received his papers to report for duty to King and country. Jimmy Savile, however, didn't fight in the war. Instead, the number on Savile's national service papers assigned him to work the coal mines of the British Isles. See, England couldn't import coal during World War II, so coal production from mines within England itself had to be increased. So from 1943 until 1948, the wartime minister of labor and national service. Ernest Bevin conscripted some 50,000 young men to work England's coal mines. There were no exceptions for men given this assignment. If you got assigned to the mines, you had to go down into the mines and a citizen could be fined or imprisoned if they refused. These conscripted workers, who spent 18 months in the mines on each stretch, came down be known as the Bevin boys, named after Ernest Bevin. Jimmy Sav, of course, was by far the most famous Bevin boy to ever go down the shaft.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I just die in there.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like if you told me I had you, like legally go coal mine, like

[Ed Larson]

arrest me for 18 months.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, arrest me.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Just put me in jail. What do I care? Might as well be. Honestly, I'd rather be in jail. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Than a coal miner. Yeah, I guess so.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm not made for that kind of work.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm going to die in there.

[Marcus Parks]

That's true.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm going to get crushed.

[Marcus Parks]

At least in jail you can took a nap.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I could read, I could work out. I could suck dick. I could have so much fun. I could cook food for my guys. I go and cut the garlic so thin.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So then when a garlic goes in

[Marcus Parks]

the sausages, the razor. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I can have so much fun in prison.

[Ed Larson]

You can make toilet wine.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'd love to make toilet wine. Anything but be a coal miner.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Now the experience of being a Bevan boy sounds awful.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

In every way. After four weeks of training, these conscripted Brits would be sent down into the mines. Mines that were to sent sometimes miles deep. And they'd be sent down in a cage that descended at anywhere between 30 and 70ft per second. It fell so fast that some of the Bevin boys got nosebleeds when they went down.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Man, being a boy in England is the worst thing in the world.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. I feel like every couple months we're just like, all right, here's our boys in England.

[Henry Zebrowski]

In England. Ever have a nice time?

[Ed Larson]

Are they covered in soot? Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

How many sores?

[Ed Larson]

Many, many.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Can you see their ribs? All of them.

[Marcus Parks]

How are their lungs?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, black. Very, very black.

[Ed Larson]

Very, very black. Jimmy Savile's job underground was a solitary one. He was two miles into the mine. He levered coal trucks back on the track when they derailed on a sharp corner. And most Bevin boys hated this job because it was spooky. You were in the dark by yourself all day long. But Jimmy Savile loved the job. He claimed to be king of the Corner for three years.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Those guys fucking scare me, you know? You did more hardcore labor work.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Do you.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The guys that are. Or is it scarier for the guys that are super into it or the guys that lazily do it? Like, who. Who do you would rather be around?

[Marcus Parks]

The lazy guys.

[Ed Larson]

The ladies.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Lazy guys.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I guess.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The guy who loved that you loved roofing.

[Ed Larson]

I mean, nobody really. The only time that anyone loved that work was when the drywall guys would smoke a bunch of meth and they loved their job for about two days and would not sleep. But that drywall got put up. It really does.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Whatever gets you through the night. You know, I'd be bringing a meth. Yeah. To get it done. I'd be like, oh, you guys want all meth? That's it. Yeah, I'll get meth.

[Marcus Parks]

I feel like Savile would say he liked this just because he knew that was weird.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Okay. It's the whole thing. His whole personality is deeply antagonistic, which is also partially why I'm so affected by the story.

[Ed Larson]

Well, I mean, that was my exact next point, is that the other miners, they all thought it was weird that Savile would like this job, this job that everybody else hated. But it was during Jimmy's time as a Bevan boy that he realized that there were opportunities in being different. It was, as he put it again and again, the power of oddness. People were always telling Jimmy Savile that he was a funny one. And Savile got a charge out of making people uncomfortable. His favorite story from his Bevin Boys days was when he show showed up at the mines in his Sunday best because he'd been out all night partying and he hadn't had time to go home and change. But Savile still went down in the cage anyway. And when he got to his corner, he stripped, folded his nice clothes and newspaper, and worked his entire shift naked. He saved enough water to clean off his face and hands at the end of his shift, then went back up in the cage as immaculately dressed as he went down. Now, that's not a very good story. And in fact, all of Savile's stories are quite bad.

[Henry Zebrowski]

None of them are good.

[Ed Larson]

They're all awful. But Savile said that the other miners were weirded out by his antics. And he immediately saw that being odd had an effect on people. It didn't necessarily disarm them. In fact, sometimes it put them more on their guard. But it had enough of an effect where Jimmy Savile started leaning in to being weird and somewhat clownish.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, he would have gotten the same effect by keeping his underwear on. Well, I bet you, you know, that's

[Henry Zebrowski]

what we know about his underwear activities are. I imagine he either was not wearing. Wearing them or he does not really care about his underwear maintenance.

[Ed Larson]

He doesn't really wear underwear. Yeah. Or didn't wear.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, then he will. I want to save it for later.

[Ed Larson]

Sure, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Can't wait.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Little funny little things. We kind of gotta wait for part two, hour two.

[Ed Larson]

Savill's underwear.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'll be ready then.

[Ed Larson]

But as it went with almost everything in Jimmy Savile's life, his time as a Bevan boy is full of lies and half truths. Tellingly, Jimmy was always cagey. When journalists would try to establish a timeline about his stint in the mines,

[Henry Zebrowski]

he wouldn't allow them anything.

[Ed Larson]

Anything. When asked to be specific about years, Savl would get defensive and menacing. He would say, how the would I know 1642? Yeah, you know, it's something. And it would be always be. Every time he just like, it was always, how the would I know 1642? Like. And it's so the way he talked was like he was shooting bullets at you. And it was. It's scary to even watch.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He's scary. He's legitimately. Of all of the characters we've covered. Like, I'm not even joking. He frightens me.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, well, also, if you're lying constantly, you probably can't keep him straight.

[Ed Larson]

You can't.

[Marcus Parks]

So it's a better way to just answer like that than to just tell another fucking lie and have it blow up in your face.

[Ed Larson]

You learn that eventually. Eventually.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He also understands being entirely otherworldly, like creating your own fake anti. Anton lavey did this expertly as well, where he created a fake version of his life on purpose in order to fill out the iconographic. Like Pope of the Church of Satan. Right? He created a whole fake life. He did all this kind of shit. Jimmy Savile understood that very same concept of like, I'm not a real person.

[Ed Larson]

You understood it 20 years before Anton Lavey even thought about it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm not a real person. Can't you see? I'm a cartoon. Don't look at me. I'm just a cartoon. I'm a. I'm a. I'm a cutout. I'm a 2D cutout. Like, you can't. You don't even want to talk with me. I'm just a silly guy.

[Marcus Parks]

Satanism shouldn't have a pope it should have a Nope.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But we'll get into why you're wrong theologically pretty soon.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay, great.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Can't wait. Can't wait to nail you to the wall.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, that's. That's what you theologically when you were a kid. Like want like man, I really want to be a comedian when I grow up. I can't wait to be proved wrong theologically.

[Henry Zebrowski]

See.

[Ed Larson]

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[Ed Larson]

Jimmy also claimed to have worked at three different coal mines in Yorkshire, but a former Bevan Boy and Bevan Boy advocate named Warwick Taylor, who hated Jimmy Savile, he said that Savile's claim was preposterous because very few, if any Bevan boys worked multiple minds during their service sal service, if he did indeed finish, it likely ended after the standard 18 months. But Savile greatly exaggerated his time and constantly changed how long he spent in the mines. And I think to your point, Ed, I think he eventually did realize that giving an aggressive answer was better than lying, because sometimes he would say that he Worked in the mines for four years. Sometimes he would say that he worked there for seven.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He'd also say he'd go back his whole thing. He'd be. I go, I'd be right back in there if I could.

[Ed Larson]

And some, like Bevin Boy advocate, Warwick Taylor, he speculated that Savile actually spent very little time in the mine.

[Marcus Parks]

What?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

And that Sav probably used his dead cousin's name, which was very similar to Jimmy is. Is Jame. Jimmy Sav's real name was like James Wilson. Vincent Savl. And his cousin's name was James Wilson. And it's speculated that Jimmy Sav may have used his dead cousin's paperwork to get himself out of spending too much time underground.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That sounds like the Jimmy Savile I know.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. His worst crime.

[Ed Larson]

No.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, just lying, paperwork fraud. Can't believe that somebody would do. Lie to the mines. I would never lie to the mines.

[Ed Larson]

Well, Savile also claimed that he was gravely injured in the mines, but this claim is also suspect. Supposedly, Jimmy Savile was caught in a cave in when another worker detonated a charge without knowing Jimmy was there. Because Jimmy didn't have the light on and a safety hat. And the nurse at the Leeds Infirmary supposedly told Savile that he was unlikely to ever walk again without sticks. Crutches. But Jimmy Savill always called them sticks. And this injury is what released him from service. Other times, actually, he said that he was released from service because he had a really bad cold. But while there's no record of Jimmy's accident, that doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, cuz it was dangerous.

[Ed Larson]

An accident happened in the wartime mines in Britain. On average every six minutes and a. A minor was killed every six hours. It really wasn't that much safer than just going and fighting the Nazis.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's what I'm saying.

[Marcus Parks]

Just send me the war.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Just get me out of here.

[Marcus Parks]

I don't want to be in the mines. You say you get the travel.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, my God. Anything.

[Ed Larson]

Always wanted to go to France.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh. Oh, wow.

[Ed Larson]

Many of the.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, Africa.

[Ed Larson]

Well, many of the records of the Bevan boys were also unfortunately destroyed in a fire. But at the very least, we do know that Jimmy Savile's timeline does not make any sense. If Jimmy Savile was hurt when he said he was hurt, then it would have been impossible for him to appear at the age of 21 as an extra in the 1940. 1948 film A Boy, A Girl and a Bike, in which Savile Appears for a few seconds in the film's climax riding in a Yorkshire bike race.

[Marcus Parks]

One thing I've learned from being on the show in the last couple years is often thing that I see or notice is that these predators, these evil people, they always like to paint themselves as a victim.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, always. Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Because also it's the true understanding of like the villains across the world. They, they, a lot of villains don't think they're a villain. Like they think that they're completely justified in what they do. Jimmy Savile believed that that everything was transactional and that that's all he had to do was fulfill the other half of the transaction sheet and then he could do whatever he wants on the other side.

[Ed Larson]

It was more like a balance thing. That's what he said. His philosophy was that if he goes up to see St. Peter at the pearly gates and they look at the ledger, they'll see more black than red. Because his charitable works, he said, outweighed any of the things that he may have done in his life.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, and it wasn't like cuz Epstein used money to sort of ingratiate himself into certain scenes. But he was doing that literally to make his dick work again and to make all do all the weird, like make himself live forever.

[Ed Larson]

The genetic stuff.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, they like hiding in plain sight. Harvey Weinstein loved being a big donor to the Clintons.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Harvey Weinstein, I believe he did that again, that was also on purpose. He was aligning himself with the Democratic Party being like, I can't rape, I don't do that. That's Democrats don't rape. Yeah, Bill Clinton would like a word. You know what I'm saying, ladies?

[Ed Larson]

The Jimmy's sister Joan did confirm that her brother was indeed in a dire accident in the mines. But Savile used this accident as another way to make himself miraculous. He said he dedicated himself from that point forward to becoming physically fit. And he became well known for constantly riding his bicycle around leads. This is also around the time that Jimmy Savile developed an all consuming obsession with money. And he was constantly on the lookout for the best ways to exploit people while distracting them with his increasingly odd mannerisms. Now Jimmy's main black market business was selling scrap metal. This, as we all know, is just about the lowest rung on the criminal ladder. A lot of shit can be stolen and sold for scrap. I'm sure, sure you guys have sold stolen stuff and sold, sold it to the scrap metal yard, right?

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, I've never done scrap metaling. No, really no, that was not how you had a different. Growing up.

[Ed Larson]

I still got a big scar from a piece of scrap metal.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I sold drugs. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

I. I spit the metal and went straight to the drugs.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Because the drugs are the next step.

[Henry Zebrowski]

The only, actually, the only guy experience I have with scrap metal was one time I was in New Orleans shooting a movie alone. I was in there for Mardi Gras, right? I. I was.

[Ed Larson]

You're shooting alone who?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I was a jerk off. Instructional. I, I went to. But I met these guys, right? They. They sucked me into their bachelor party. I was hanging out with these guys all night, and they were all in the scrap metal business and they were all beaming like, you have no idea how much money is out there. That's all we got to do. Scrap. That's oil for guys like us. Like, that's all they were talking about. Like, scrap was what put on. They were like showing me their houses and their cars and be like, that's what scrap metal. And I remember just being like hammered with these guys, being like, I should join the scrap metal industry.

[Marcus Parks]

You're gonna keep those cans.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah. That's how you get a girl. That's right there.

[Ed Larson]

But at the same time that Jimmy was doing scrap metal, he was also helping out his father, Vince, with Vince's forays into the black market, like gambling or selling BO Bootleg cigarettes. Savile would refer over the years to having a few quote unquote business partners during this period of time who helped him earn the modern equivalent of 2,500 bucks a week on the black market. But Savile was on the lookout for a career outside of scrap metal and gambling. So he asked himself, what do I like? And after spending so much time at the Mecca Locarno dance Hall, the answer Jimmy came up with was he liked girls, music, and dancing. So Savile got himself into the entertainment business by hosting dances as a DJ starting in the late 1940s. Now, interestingly, and somewhat annoyingly, Jimmy Savile actually was one of the originators of live dj.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's fascinating.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, well, every other dance had live bands. Savile got the idea of just playing records through a Jerry Rigg sound system starting somewhere in the mid to late 1940s. And people immediately went mad for it.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, people say Ike Turner invented rock and roll.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

What are you going to do?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, bad guys are, unfortunately, I feel like one of the worst parts of this whole world is that some of these bad guys are literally the most talented people you've ever Met in your whole fucking life. And they're all like that, you know, like, it's the issue. It's like you meet all of these extremely talented evil fucks that made all of our favorite stuff, and we can't do anything because problem is, is that then we replace them with good people and they're making garbage. And that's the worst part, is that we're replacing people. We're replacing the old bad guys with new people that are good and nice, but they're nowhere near as talented.

[Marcus Parks]

Kevin Spacey's a phenomenal bad guy.

[Ed Larson]

He was an amazing, amazing bad guy.

[Marcus Parks]

I don't know what to do about it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Sean Pen's not a good guy. He. He tries. He's amazing in one battle.

[Ed Larson]

I don't know. I mean, we're getting some gray area guys again. I mean, the. The Reacher guy, beating that guy up. I know, but he was fully justified. No, no, no, no, no. I agree that Alan is fully justified and beating the shit out of that guy, but a little bit of a gray area there.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Ed Larson]

It's nice to have a guy out there.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I like him. He's a rough and tumble kind of guy.

[Marcus Parks]

I like that guy.

[Ed Larson]

I like him, too.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'll watch the show.

[Ed Larson]

It's good now.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'll watch the show.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, the show's fun, which is really fun.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And now I'm like, oh, he really kicks people's asses. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Watch his ch.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, that's the best. That's literally the best marketing that. I couldn't care less about that show.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now I'm obsessed. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Because he is Reacher. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But his wife must be happy.

[Ed Larson]

Well, he's very. Also very open about his mental health. It's very nice.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, okay.

[Ed Larson]

I like him.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's bad. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I fucking hate mental health. I would love that. I'm super open with it. I fucking hate mental health. I like fucking.

[Marcus Parks]

I like rape and murder. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But also I act on the side.

[Ed Larson]

Well, as irritating as it is to admit it here, Savile was as brilliant as he was evil. He figured out two turntables and a microphone in a live setting before even rock and roll came onto the scene. When Savile started out, he was playing fucking foxtrots on 78s. These were records that people were bringing to the events themselves.

[Marcus Parks]

Like, he.

[Ed Larson]

He was the guy who fucking figured it out. But for Savile, DJing opened up yet another dark impulse. He immediately saw the power and the effect that music had on people. And this is another reason why he is fucking evil. He took something that is meant for joy and he turned it into something horrible.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And he's not even a fucking musician.

[Ed Larson]

No, you know what I mean?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like, he stole. He became a middleman and. And used it.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. He said that he could make people dance quick, he could make them dance slow, or he could make them stop. He said he became transfixed on this newfound ability to get people to do as he pleased. That is a direct fucking quote. And it certainly didn't hurt that he was immediately making good money doing it. So Savile got hired to play music at dances and parties for two and a half pounds a session. And he was so successful that he was soon hired as an assistant assistant manager at the Mecca Locarno dance hall in Leeds. The same place where he said he, you know, met with murderers and whores and rapists and thieves, where he found a dead body. Now he's taken a assistant manager.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now I work here.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm just a quick British question.

[Ed Larson]

Sure.

[Marcus Parks]

Mecca Lakarna. Is that, like, the name of the place or is that, like, the kind of establishment it is?

[Ed Larson]

Okay. Mecca is the name of the company that was Mecca limited that ran a bunch of dance halls. Not all of them were called, like, Mecca, like Mecca Dance Hall. Like the Locarno is the name of the dance hall. Mecca. But not all Mecca dance halls were called like the Mecca this, the Mecca that. Someone was like the Plaza Ballroom. And Manchester was also a Mecca ballroom. But. But Mecca is just a corporation that. That owns a bunch of clubs.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I've also found that the UK has some of the weirdest, most idiosyncratic way of naming, like, venues and places.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like, they have very. I mean, I guess just for us, it's like, for. For as Americans, it's very. It's always like, you know, the whistle and thistle and muggers and tuggers, you

[Marcus Parks]

know what I mean?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like, all just stuff like that.

[Ed Larson]

As far as how Jimmy Savile got into broadcasting, that path ran through, of all things competitive British cycling, which was massive in the 50s and 60s. As I said before, Jimmy Savile loved cycling. But he figured out soon into his competitive career that there was far more value in being a character than in being. Being a winner. See, Jimmy Savile's trademark accessory throughout his life was his big, stupid, disgusting cigar. And this is a habit that Jimmy said that he was introduced to by his father when Jimmy was just seven years old. It's that same tired hack. My father thought you. He thought I would throw up and I ended up loving it. I've been smoking cigars since I was 7.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah. It's like people who brag about getting hammered at 12.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jimmy would therefore be seen cycling in races hundreds of miles long while chomping on said cigars, wearing his best suits, and preening for the crowds. Salvo was such a character that he earned a nickname, the Duke, which seems to be where he got his nickname for his mother, the Duchess. That tells you that's a. You want to do a little bit more detective work.

[Marcus Parks]

Are you trying to say that they're.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, girl, you best believe you're super close. And that's the thing I could not possibly get.

[Marcus Parks]

I turned the camera.

[Henry Zebrowski]

My mother was welcome. The grossest woman I've ever seen.

[Marcus Parks]

I will never have sex with my mother. You know, that is just proof that Cosby was funnier.

[Ed Larson]

Right?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, Just the voice.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, the voice. He was funny, you see. And Jimmy Savile was not funny ever.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Well, eventually, Jimmy Savile became a favorite of the Daily Express journalists who covered these races. And when Savile got to chatting with them one day after he dropped out of a race, they loved his banter so much that they offered him a job as a live race commentator, the color guy. As it turned out, Savile was a natural broadcaster, and his clipped, gruff Yorkshire accent stood out against the posh voices normally heard on British broadcasts. Savile soon earned his first connections to the BBC through this gig. BBC. BBC, of course, was and still is, the ultimate seat of media power in Great Britain. You get into the BBC, you can do anything you want.

[Marcus Parks]

So if I'm listening to, like, the BBC sessions of the Pretty Things. Is that Jimmy Savile's voice, like, announcing the song?

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, just on Top of the Pops.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah, he was.

[Henry Zebrowski]

When he got the job.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. He was Top of the Pops when he was a. He was a DJ on Radio Luxembourg and mostly on D. On BBC. He was a presenter, like a TV presenter.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Ed Larson]

But no, it's. I mean, you would recognize it because his voice is so incredibly original. Nobody in the world sounds like Jimmy Savage. It's actually very hard voice to replicate.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, that's the reason why I'm not even trying, because the Yorkshire accent is one of those things I've never been able to properly master. And also, I didn't really want to make him funny.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. I lived with a woman from Yorkshire for two years, and I still don't know how to do a Yorkshire, like, that Yorkshire. Possible. Yorkshire.

[Marcus Parks]

Yorkshire.

[Ed Larson]

Yorkshire.

[Marcus Parks]

Yorkshire, Yorkshire. This guy was closest, actually. That's pretty close.

[Ed Larson]

But before Jimmy Savile was to make his jump to the BBC, he spent about a decade working the dance halls of England, where he very quickly discovered that he could build a life that was tailored to feed his own worst impulses. After two years of being assistant manager at the Mecca in Leeds, Savile was promoted to a location in London's east end in 1953. And it's here that we get the first accounts of Jimmy Savile's sexual crimes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think the key here is also too remember, is like, that's kind of what we're going to say. It's like they've been talking about this since the fucking beginning of his career.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like this shit is not like, it didn't go under. Reported. It was reported.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's just.

[Ed Larson]

And this is also just the. This is just the first that we know of. Yes, this is just the first reporting of it.

[Marcus Parks]

Half a century.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, More, more. See, by the time Jimmy Savile started working in dance halls, he was already in his early 30s. And even though the age of consent in the UK was 16, Savile always preferred them even younger. A bouncer named Dennis Lemon said that Savile would make a point of talking to all the girls on the younger end, the ones who are 13, 14, 15. Savile himself said in a 1978 collection of interviews grossly collected as a book called God Will Fix it or God

[Henry Zebrowski]

Will Fix It, God Will Fix It.

[Ed Larson]

He said that he was in the. In a business quote fraught with temptations. He said he was an abuser of things, bodies and people, but maintained that those days were behind him. And this was actually one of Jimmy's greatest tricks. He'd admit to something bad while showing contrition to deflect any questions people might have had about the full scope of his crimes or maybe something that he did, I don't know, last week, because

[Henry Zebrowski]

what does that mean to be an abuser of things, bodies and people? You know what I mean? Like, that's a. That's a horrendous thing to say.

[Ed Larson]

It's a horrible thing to say.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, yeah. And you're saying it flippantly like it was a thing that you. That everybody would understand. Because also he's saying it like a well known fact. He's saying these things, being like we're all like this.

[Ed Larson]

You know how it goes, you know

[Henry Zebrowski]

how it is with how it is

[Marcus Parks]

when you're younger people love redemption stories too.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, they do. The thing was, people knew about Jimmy Savile even back then. One of the other bouncers remembered a day in the 1950s, mind you, when Jimmy showed up to the dance hall worried because he was due in court the next day for interfering with young girls. This is a court. It's not just rumors. It is a court case. But apparently everything was cleared up because it was business as usual for Savile. Less than a week later, reportedly, Jimmy Savile paid off the police to make the charges go away. And the bouncer said that it wasn't the first time that Savile had done this.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, yeah, they're hanging out, they're drinking for free.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Jimmy Savile actually found a way to turn the situation into a running joke. He said it dozens upon dozens of times throughout the years. There's actually a compilation. There's a super cut on the Netflix documentary of him saying this. Anytime someone brought up his proclivities for young girls, he'd always say, my case comes, comes up next Thursday, always. And would always get a big laugh from whatever audience was lapping up his. Now, after proving himself to the Mecca brass in London, Savile moved to the great city of Manchester.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Ah, big old man.

[Ed Larson]

I love Manchester. To manage a Mecca dance hall called the Plaza Ballroom. Jimmy's father had died a few years before, and since Jimmy had filled the emotional void left by his father, he had become far, far closer to to his mother. He wanted to come back and join her and he wanted to return to the comfort of Northern England.

[Marcus Parks]

How close was he?

[Henry Zebrowski]

He was four inches inside him, please.

[Ed Larson]

Three and a half. Now in Manchester, Jimmy Savile continued to refine his flamboyant look, his clown suit, as it were. He would wear see through shirts with fake 20 pound notes in the breast pocket. He would always do his level best to be the most outrageous looking person in any room. Savile also started opening the dance hall at lunchtime during the week, which made the Plaza Ballroom a magnet for teenagers who were going nuts for the new American sounds. This is Elvis, Buddy Holly, Bobby Darin, Jamie Savile's the one who has those records. And the Plaza Ballroom is where kids can go to hear those records.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know what that immediately reminds me of? Dean Corll's Candy Store.

[Ed Larson]

Sure. But besides the, the uptempo stuff, Savile began playing with these teenagers by announcing Smooch time. At regular intervals. He'd get on the mic and tell the kids that it was time for belly dancing, which meant that they had to put their belly against someone else's for a slow dance. And this was coming from a 34 year old man.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I do this with the staff, but that's just because we're getting to know each other. It's like a part of a corporate thing we're trying to get here.

[Ed Larson]

It was a fun manual that we've been working off of that corporate.

[Henry Zebrowski]

When I was working in school. Smooch. Time is getting long.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I will say he's getting long.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah. I want to add the amendment. Leave room for Christ.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You're right on the back half of you. Right. So gape for Christ. Where's the Holy Ghost going to go? My balls. Yeah, I'm having fun at the dance hall.

[Marcus Parks]

They don't call him the Holy Ghost for nothing because he likes the whole.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, indeed, that was the least Holy

[Marcus Parks]

Ghost of all, because I still go, Father.

[Ed Larson]

But at the end of the day, even though the Plaza ballroom was getting complaints from schools that kids were missing class to go to the lunchtime dances, Jimmy Savile was making a lot of money. And he continued developing a name for himself as an entertainer who knew what the kids wanted. Because that's the thing. Jimmy Saville's not really. He's not a comedian, he is an entertainer.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, broadcaster.

[Ed Larson]

That's presenter, as they call it in the UK now. It's not a secret that Manchester can be a violent place. And Jimmy Savile was no stranger to violence at the Plaza. I mean, God, every time I go to Manchester, I see someone get beat half to death on the street. It's happened three times now.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's a colorful city. I love it.

[Ed Larson]

I. I adore Manchester, but. Jesus Christ. But Jimmy Savile was no stranger to violence at the Plaza. He claimed to tie up and gag troublemakers in the basement of his club. He'd keep them there until the end of the night. And then at the end of the night, the bouncers would haul the troublemakers out and beat them half to death in the street. Savile claimed that his main crew in Manchester was a trio of what he called Hungarian heavies. These were men who had worked in the concentration camps in Europe disposing of bodies for the Nazis during the Holocaust, or so Savile said. Savile proudly used the same name for these guys that the Nazis did. He called these men his Sonderkommandos. And they were supposed supposedly used anytime Savile needed to get his hands Dirty with straight up violence. Savile also around this time made friends with a local wrestler named Bill Benny, known in the ring as Man Mountain.

[Marcus Parks]

Pretty awesome.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, that's the guy. That's the guy from Reacher.

[Ed Larson]

He is certainly a man mountain. Man Mountain had invested in a few dance halls around Manchester, so he and Salvo grew close. Allegedly, Man Mountain was also involved in Orange organized crime. And he always made sure that Jimmy Savile was protected. So it's, at this point, it's the 50s, he's in his 30s. He still just start. He's still kind of just starting out, but he already has control over both levers of the law. He has the cops on his side and organized crime on his side.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And he knows to keep it small. Yeah, keep the operation small, because that's how you make sure not a lot of prime eyes are in there.

[Marcus Parks]

And he kept bragging about this kind of thing. Even later in the years. He would say, like, he'd send his Italian guys over to you and stuff like that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And I did not believe it until the book, until I saw that thing when he. When the author went to go meet Jimmy Savile. And the first thing, Jimmy Saville, like, he goes into Jimmy Savile's flat, and you hear Jimmy Savile go, friskin boys. And these two large men walk in, show him police badges, push him against the wall, frisk him, go through all of his. And then afterwards, they all have a big laugh. They're like. And they were two police officers. Well, it was a police officer and a man by Jim the Pill. And I don't like Jim to the Pill. I don't know what nobody does. No.

[Ed Larson]

Now, it didn't take long before Jimmy Savile figured out that the Plaza Ballroom could essentially work as a constant pipeline for victims of sexual abuse. According to a former employee, there were lines of teenage girls with. Waiting to, quote, chat with Jim in his office at the back of the Plaza as to why this former employee didn't do or say anything. They begged off. Like so many others tangentially involved with Jimmy Savile throughout his career. This former employee said they didn't know what went on behind the doors of Jimmy's office, but they did know that Jimmy Savile was a man. You know, wink, wink. Know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what he was doing back there?

[Henry Zebrowski]

Do you ready?

[Marcus Parks]

What? Know that he's a man.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

What do you think? That, that.

[Ed Larson]

But what I don't know what he was doing back there, but I know he was.

[Marcus Parks]

No, it's the kind of you hear all the time working in the restaurant.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm asking you as a detective, what, what this means, what the statement meant.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, it means that him and the girls were playing checkers.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, right. What an innocent boy.

[Ed Larson]

The rumors about Jimmy's crimes were so prevalent that the police would stop by the Plaza on occasion with questions about why there were so many young girls there at all times. But Jimmy always had a way to deflect. His go to was to ask the cops if they had daughters who came to the Plaza, which is a big move. Yeah, but if the cops said yes, Savo would ask the cops, hey, would you rather your daughters were here safe with me or being out there prayed on all the scumbags of Manchester? The cops would look at him and they'd see how odd he was, see how strange he was. And they'd say, I guess you. And they go away.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I also think that there's just a straight up guy on the level they seem to meet and they're like, okay, I kind of see where you're coming from in that way. Like I, I get what you're saying that, oh, we'll put it you, you know, you're going to be in charge of all the, the kids and, and I think lo, mostly they just didn't want to get involved.

[Ed Larson]

Yep.

[Marcus Parks]

Every guy I knew that ran drugs up and down Florida back in the day had a little police benevolent sticker on their car. Oh, of course, you know, to make, you know, it's a bet he donated so much money to them.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Dude, it's the new thin blue line sticker on your fucking car. But guess what? It doesn't help. No, they don't do. Cops actually don't care.

[Ed Larson]

Jimmy continued abusing young girls en masse even after the police had to question him. After it was reported that Savile had been hanging around the public toilets, this was also waved off. And again and again the cops did nothing. In 1956, Jimmy Savile returned to Leeds. And there he entered his final office, oddball form. He began dressing in a red, white and blue tracksuit with a big hat, pink glasses and gold shoes. And he began bleaching his straight shoulder length hair blonde, fashioning the cut into an almost helmet like shape. He looked objectively creepy, even if you managed to remove all the things we know about him today. But the people of England loved Jimmy's act. And his star only grew in the British. British music scene.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He was becoming a true original.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I think that's reason. That was what people were responding to.

[Ed Larson]

And this is also a time when everything is changing.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

You know, this is the late 50s, early 60s. Everything is changing. They're coming out of the war. Like, everything is kind of weird. Like, you know, the Beatles, everything is, like, kind of off. Everything is constantly on. Like, things are different this week than they were last week. You know, you. When you listen, it's insane to sometimes, like, read the way these people talk about the. They talk about, like, the difference between 1959 and 1962, as if they're 40 years apart. But to that point, this was during the rise of the skiffle genre. Skiffle is a. It. It's massive in England, Never made it to America. But without skiffle, you don't have the Beatles, you don't have the Rolling Stones.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Whoa.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And Jimmy Savile was on top of every trend as it came along. He was on top of skiffle, he was on top of rock and roll. All of this stuff. Jimmy Savile knew exactly how to package it and how to deliver it to teenage. By 1959, Savile was invited onto the BBC for the first time as a judge on a show called Jukebox Jury, in which four panelists would judge new music as a hit or a miss. Savile was well received as a personality. So the next year he was offered a test spot through Decca Records, one of the biggest record labels in England. You know, that was the Stones label.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Offered a test spot as a DJ on Radio Luxembourg.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Just used to be easier to get jobs at Entertainment. Entertainment.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Well, that. Now this is a big get for Jimmy Savile because Radio Luxembourg was the only station that continuously played the pop music beloved by British teenagers at the time. This was 1960s, so we're talking Elvis, Chubby Checker, Everly Brothers, Link Ray, Dwayne, Eddie, all the cool that the kids love.

[Marcus Parks]

All right, don't get lost. No dogs.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Immediately in there, I had to pull

[Ed Larson]

that back so much.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

You have no idea how hard I had to pull back on this section. And so after Jimmy Savile was given a permanent spot as a DJ on Radio Luxembourg, he was primed to be the voice that brought bands like the Rolling Stones and the Beatles to the ears of young people across the United Kingdom. When those bands started releasing hits a couple years later, and really think about the power of that. That is incredible power. You are the man who is introducing England to the Beatles, you're the man who is introducing England to the Rolling Stones. It also meant that Savile was primed to exploit the so called groupie scene that would coalesce around Britain's pop stars. And of course their sexual transgressions throughout the 1960s are many, varied and well documented.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But at least they made the music that brought the sex to the bed like this. Is these guys just Jimmy Savile just is there?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Well, I mean, to be fair to the pop stars, a lot of them were in their late teens and early twenties. And like I said, the age of consent in Britain, whether it was right or wrong, was indeed 16 years of age at this period in time. And as I've said on no Dogs in Space, many, many, many times, you would be hard pressed to find a single male pop star in the 60s and 70s who didn't have sex with teenage girls, especially the British.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, but I mean, if they weren't. Were having sex with the guys.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, they were having sex with the guys or they were married. Yeah, very rarely.

[Marcus Parks]

Pap.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, he's innocent, maybe. I doubt it.

[Ed Larson]

I'm talking 60s and 70s. Papoon's more 50s, you're right. But Jimmy Savile was not in his late teens, nor his early 20s when the British Invasion bands started getting famous. Or at least we call them the British Invasion bands. They're just British. Jimmy Savile. Jimmy Savile was 36 years old when the first Beatles single hit the charts. And his tastes were decidedly for girls below the age of consent.

[Henry Zebrowski]

This is where you really hit me for the first time. That like when we were talking about this and it hit me, I was like, oh, he was too old to even be in the scene.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, be in the room.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He was already too old and he was noticeably too old, like. And because. I'm sorry, guys, I know Now I'm almost 42 years old. I didn't see the difference before, you know, or I. I didn't see. I. How do I say now, it's hard for me to determine ages and stuff, but back in the day, when you're 20 and a 35 year old's in the room, it's like you feel it. Yeah. Like you feel like there's an authority in the room, even though you have no idea what's going on.

[Ed Larson]

And that's also part of why he was so clownish and why. And why he dressed the way that he did. Well, no, it was so he could fit in, so he could. He Was the clown in the room. You know, if he dressed like, like an adult, if he dressed like these people's parents or their uncles or whoever, then he would be suspect. But dressed as some wacky guy, he's

[Henry Zebrowski]

got to be counterculture. He's got to be cool.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

That's why whenever I go to these, like, younger shows, I always pretend like I own the joint.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

I just look at the bartender, everyone

[Henry Zebrowski]

in a while ago and go, do you understand that? I feel like I get treated that way no matter what. Like, I feel like when I go into places where everyone's 20 years younger, younger than me, it's like people are like, are you my dad

[Ed Larson]

Now? It's important to note that while there was a natural taboo involving sex with prepubescent girls and boys during this time, public attitudes in Britain were remarkably tolerant of the occasional or rumored liaison with the girl who was post pubescent but below the age of consent. Help. We see it here today in America. What was it a month ago when Megyn Kelly was defending Jeffrey Epps Epstein, she's like, it's not like he was an 8 year old. Like they were like 15. Okay, can we all just relax here for a second? It's the same shit. There were, however, some people who thought that it was wrong for a man in his 30s to have sex with a 14 year old girl. And Jimmy Savile was indeed investigated for sexual abuse allegations involving underage girls in the early 1960s. Several journalists at a weekly newspaper called Sunday People came out on Sundays. They spent years.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Sunday People, Sunday People why are you

[Ed Larson]

here on a Monday?

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's Sunday People.

[Ed Larson]

Well, they spent years investigating Jimmy Savile, but for reasons that are still unknown for sure, those findings were never released. Most likely the reason why the story was buried was because Jimmy Saville had been hired by that very same paper to write a column to attract a younger readership at the time. Same, same time that he was being investigated, he was hired because the editor's teenage daughter listened to Jimmy Savile on Radio Luxembourg.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, in talking about like back in the day and what this was like, they. Well, the way my aunt talks about like child molestation and stuff like that from when they were kids, it was just that people would be, would warn the children, but they didn't want to deal with it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, they would still stay away from

[Marcus Parks]

that guy, but they would never actually fucking do anything about it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, because in their heart of hearts and I, you know, I feel like this is one of the big issues we're seeing with the boomer generation, like into this next thing, is that they kind of felt they got molested.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So why should they really go out of their way to stop it from happening to you? Like, why go so far out of our way when you're fine?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, my mom was molested by every single priest that she was ever involved with in the way. And she's fine. You know, like that's how she thinks in her head. She has to do all this kind of stuff. So in her mind, it's just, it was a part of life.

[Marcus Parks]

It was one of those things I learned recently when talking to one of my friends with kids. They were asking me, like, what comics should they introduce their kid to? You know, and I was like, I don't know.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I mean, I.

[Marcus Parks]

When I was your kid's age, I was listening to Dice and George Carlin and all that stuff and then I'm like, and I'm fine. For two seconds I thought, oh, maybe I shouldn't have. I don't know.

[Ed Larson]

I think Carlin good for any age.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Maybe not guys.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, no, I mean, you know, introduce him to great like stand up guys, you know, like Bill Cosby, Crystal. Like there's some great comedians out there that are really good for kids to listen to.

[Ed Larson]

Well, I think it's also, it's not just the, you know, the super cynical like you dealt. I had to deal with it. So now you have to deal with it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm not saying outwardly, I'm saying it's subconsciously.

[Ed Larson]

I think it's also subconsciously. It's like if I deal with what. If I deal with you, I'm going to have to deal with what I went through. I'm going to have to process it. I'm going to have to face it and actually think about it for a second instead of just shoving it down and letting it come out as a freak out of the grocery store.

[Marcus Parks]

I think that, you know, this is a. Here, here's another email statement. But I don't think people really gave a about sticking up for kids until like a couple years ago.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Dude, you're not even. They still haven't look at the epine files. Nobody gives a. So it's this. It's this. None of the people that could charge anybody give a. It's been like this. They talk about the. And spun a lot.

[Marcus Parks]

You know.

[Henry Zebrowski]

True. It is true. They did not give a about what happened to kids because they genuinely believed. I think in many Ways they'll get over it. Yeah, or like, how'd you believe. You can't believe a kid. He's just a kid. You can't believe that kid. That kid, he's in the coal mine.

[Marcus Parks]

How the Ch Catholic Church got away with it for so long. That's why we never put any regulations on guns. After all these school shootings, people just rather not deal with it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

School shootings? I really think that just about training our kids to go to war. That's a longer story now from accounts.

[Ed Larson]

Jimmy Savile had already set up his life to feed his monstrous sexual urges by the time he started getting big on Radio Luxembourg. The most graphic account comes from a man named Tony Calder, who was just 18 in 1961. But Calder would eventually become one of the most successful promoters in the UK in the 1960s, Calder was actually the guy who got the first Beatles single, Love Me do, played in dance halls across England. By 1963, Calder would be a business partner to Andrew Lug Oldham, who was of course the manager of the Rolling Stones for much of that decade. In other words, this guy was legit. He was a legend in the industry. So according to Calder, Jimmy Saville offered to get him laid. When Calder was 18 and just starting in the music business, he had, I think, just gotten a job with deca. Savile took Calder to an apartment funded by the Mecca dance hall and apartment in Leeds. They called it the Shag Pad. It had three or four bedrooms where people would, quote, shag all night long. According to Calder.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Baby, break that. Like that. Yeah,

[Ed Larson]

baby. Shag Savile, however, God, man, I. I

[Marcus Parks]

think about these characters, like Austin Powers

[Ed Larson]

and like, he was super consensual. Remember in the first, he's like, no, darling, I. You can't. You're too drunk.

[Marcus Parks]

Influence comes from Sapphle, the way he acts and presents himself. And like, also like Bill NY in Love, actually. Like, I just like, I see it,

[Henry Zebrowski]

you know, Richard Dawson kissed people specifically on camera. Yeah, you remember? Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

But he was also a piece of.

[Ed Larson]

In real life. Yeah, sure, yeah, yeah. Savile, however, he would exclusively go for teenage girls at this Shag pat, and he had a rule, the younger the better. Calder, however, maintains that Savile told him to never have sex with anyone under the age of 16. But this is likely Calder covering his own ass. But, I mean, Jimmy also might have said this, but either way, Jimmy was not following his own rules. According to Calder, the young girls who hung out at the Shag Pad did anything. Jimmy Savile said, and they would act as his little slaves, as Calder put it. Calder said that Jimmy would have sex with the girl, then pass her off to one of his younger daughters. DJ acolytes chatting them up only for as long as it took for them to have sex with him or blow him. Savile's other rule was never make love to anyone if it causes them distress. Which makes it sound like Savile had somewhat of a heart. You know, everyone's consenting, so what's the harm? She's not in distress, so what real harm am I doing here? But I think that there is a far more sinister reason for this rule. I think what Jimmy Savile really meant was, don't have sex with a young girl if you can't manipulate her into thinking it was her idea. Never take take advantage of someone who's going to be upset enough to make a stink about it. In other words, only do what you can get away with. Because, as Saville was proving every single day, you could get away with a lot.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And in his mind, too, when he says, never make love to anybody causes them distress, Jimmy Saville has never been wrong to himself. So in a way, I think in his own Jimmy Savile arithmetic. If I'm having. Having sex with you, you can't possibly be in distress because I have made

[Ed Larson]

the decision that you are ready for it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Or that you want it. Yes. Now, as you can see from that story, Jimmy Savile's partners in crime in the entertainment business were not usually musicians. That's, of course, aside from Gary Glitter, who we'll talk about later.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, he shows up. Isn't that great?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Instead, Salville's closest associates were music industry executives and promoters. Because as far as Savile's guests Game was concerned, musicians were far more valuable as props. And most musicians were also nowhere near as clever as the executives who manipulated them.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Just listen to Jimi Hendrix talk once. Yeah. And you understand that he just needed to have a guitar. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

And he could communicate with that guitar beautifully.

[Marcus Parks]

I really wish Janice Joplin was a better interview, but she's just not.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's not what she was.

[Ed Larson]

You know, musicians are not. Unfortunately, I know a lot of you. Listen, many of them are just not that clever. They have. They're. You know, they say you can't judge a fish by how well they climb a tree. Yeah. That's not their job. But the thing is that Jimmy Savile, if he was going to bring someone into this world, they needed to be almost or just as clever as he was. Now as far as how he used musicians as props. Jimmy Savile finally broke through into full celebrity status in the UK in 1961 by borrowing the fame of Elvis Presley. In January of that year, Savile convinced Deca Records to let him deliver a gold record to Elvis in Los Angeles, where Elvis was filming his new movie, Wild in the Country. Once Savile arrived here in Los Angeles, he talked his way into meeting Elvis and he got a photo of himself with the world's most famous singer.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Now I got to tell you brother, I'm looking at you right now, I think you're kind of a weirdo. But honestly I think we can get along.

[Ed Larson]

Let me tell you about this 14 year old girl named Priscilla.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Hey love me. Oh yeah. So you're pretty close with your mama? Oh, my mama.

[Ed Larson]

After getting this photo, Jimmy blew it up and he put it on billboards all over England. He wanted to show everyone that he was the first radio DJ to be free photographed with Elvis. This photo went the 60s version of viral. Everyone was talking about the photo of Jimmy Savile with Elvis and Jimmy Savile became famous from that point until the moment of his death 50 years later.

[Marcus Parks]

It's like he was the first influencer

[Henry Zebrowski]

dude, I am not even. It is very similar. He really understands PR in a way that it is Nazi like he understands to sort of like create this version of himself outside of himself so that that's all people get. And so when the by time they're meeting you, you're meeting the legend Jimmy Savile, you're meeting the outside person, Jeremy Savile and there. And I do believe that's kind of one of the responsibilities of having that level of innate charm and charisma is that you have to stop.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You actually have to stop them falling for you like legitimately. It is the responsibility of the super powerful pop figure to not manipulate everybody that is extremely vulnerable in their presence.

[Ed Larson]

Very much so, yeah. And I think Jimmy Savile, what he understood better than anything was social systems.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

And, and that's also I think why he never really left the uk. It wasn't just because. It wasn't just because people didn't know who he was outside of the uk

[Henry Zebrowski]

get away with it if they didn't.

[Ed Larson]

He just knew how everything worked in the uk. He knew British people and he knew British institutions and he knew how to, he knew how to manipulate single one of them.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But seriously, he was way ahead of it. The only Thing Jimmy Savile ever did was when he started wearing those Oakley glasses. And I know it's later on, it's episode three, but it's kind of cool technically. Technically it was a cooler.

[Marcus Parks]

Hey, man, you're taking back the scumbag look from scumbag.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's what I'm trying to do, dude.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Why do scumbags get all the cool?

[Ed Larson]

Right?

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, I legitimately, I'm choosing to look this way because of that. Yeah. Because I feel like it'd be fun to look crazy like a crazy person as I'm getting older. It does have a fun disarming effect. And also just trying to do something, it doesn't involve me. I don't know what other horrific midlife crisis I could have.

[Marcus Parks]

I do it also because it is a thing you wear. Big loud thing. It's like I'm not as scary as a person to you, you know, and so it's like as a big man, it's a. I do it to disarm people.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Even just as a man, I'm trying not to be as frightening to people all the time.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. I love my car heart, but women run from me in it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Sometimes they do. You do look like the murderer from I know what you did last summer just walking the same way. But you do look like a drifter that is looking to turn her into

[Marcus Parks]

a piece of furniture.

[Ed Larson]

And so now that Jimmy Savile was famous, he was invited to participate in charity work. And Sav soon discovered that he, he could get away with even more dastardly deeds by volunteering. And he started all of this at Leeds General Infirmary. And it gave him an incredible amount of credibility. This began a decades long association with hospitals across Britain. And Jimmy began building an inner circle of establishment figures that also included several high ranking police officers who would all protect Jimmy whenever he needed. Needed it. He knew many people in Scotland Yard.

[Marcus Parks]

Why don't they go after these?

[Ed Larson]

Oh, you know what, that's a good question.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Because they don't have that many jails, Eddie. I think that's the kind of. The problem is that once you start arresting all of the people, when do you stop?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, you know, that's done.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yep.

[Ed Larson]

Let me tell you about a little something called denazification.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Jimmy Savile also discovered it was a lot easier to have sex with young teenagers if he had his own care of or as we call them in America, his own rv. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Caravan is a romantic word for an rv. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

See, England went through a bit of a caravan craze in the 60s and by the end of the decade there were well over 60,000 caravans on the road. So it wasn't all that weird when Jimmy Savile began living much of his life in his caravan and he was suddenly afforded a private mobile location for his illicit activities wherever he went in England and a place that he had complete and total control over. Savil star continued to rise so much in the early 60s that he even started releasing his own God awful music, like his cover of the Ray Stevens novelty hit, Ahab the Arab or this massive piece of the bossa nova. And yeah, I definitely. Yeah, we're going to play this because. Yeah, if we play this. Yeah, if anyone want. If a Deca wants to claim this. Come on, Come on, let's do the bus. And over

[Henry Zebrowski]

you kind of swear.

[Marcus Parks]

Do we have to play all of it?

[Ed Larson]

No.

[Henry Zebrowski]

For those who haven't tried it, don't

[Ed Larson]

know what they missed.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's enough.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. It's just. It's just that.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, that's a type of. You know what? It is funny, because it's another thing. My main problem is that anything that is filled with what I feel as fake joy, I ascribe immediately as menacing.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Like, that's my problem is that I am not into like. I know you guys are hard on me about, like talking about Ted Lasso and those other shows. Right. But there's like a thing about, like, you're lying to me. Like, you're all liars.

[Marcus Parks]

Say whatever you want about Ted Lasso.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's like I look at you and I know you're all multi millionaire actors. You're all liars. This whole thing's the. I know, whatever.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Henry, they're actors.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I know, I know, but it's just like, I'm like, I'm not inspired by you. I don't care. But stuff like this.

[Ed Larson]

Do you think David Dasmalchian actually hosted a talk show? I wish that he did.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He did.

[Ed Larson]

He does.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He does have a show.

[Ed Larson]

Okay, well, do you think he's actually Polka Dot Man?

[Henry Zebrowski]

I'm just saying. It's just. That's just what I mean. I don't like fake happiness. And this is one of the of those things where he's all of that. Like, it's just this constant fake. He's just fake.

[Marcus Parks]

Also. It just sucks.

[Ed Larson]

It just.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

On an artistic level at least. Palisades park is fucking catchy.

[Ed Larson]

Sure. And there's also something about the novelty song artists that like. Like Weird Al. Yeah. We all agree that Weird Al is like, you know, the best man in music. He's the only one that has never done anything bad. But the novelty song world is filled with pieces of shit. Like Ray Stevens is a psychopath. The dude that like the time Down Kangaroo, that Australian novelty song, that guy's like Australia's Jimmy Savl.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's amazing. Yeah, it's because you know what it is is there's something about like you game the system. If you somehow have a hit novelty song, it's like you've conned everybody for a very small period of time almost.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. You know who's at fine though? Even if, you know, he does have weird libertarian views.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Dr. D, he was all about. He just didn't like being heavily taxed. Yeah. I think he's just stupid. That's fine. He was a nerd. You know what? He was. Honestly, he was a nerd.

[Marcus Parks]

He was a nerd.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He was a nerd. And then he was coming like.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, actually we have to think about different tax rates.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's like that's the kind of libertarian he was.

[Marcus Parks]

Steve Martin's fine. King Tut.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, yeah, he was fine. Yeah. He's not a super friendly man.

[Marcus Parks]

No. But you know, he's like. It's like meeting the president.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, but yeah, the novelty song world is filled with horrible men, I bet. And it is overwhelmingly male.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Makes sense. Like name one single female novelty song artist.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Mickey. What's her name? Tony. What's her name? They did novelty song. You don't think Mickey's a novelty song?

[Ed Larson]

Absolutely not.

[Marcus Parks]

That's legit. Like a heart. Yeah. I think they really, really.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, Mickey, you're so fine. You find your Mickey.

[Marcus Parks]

I think they thought they were making a really genuine great song.

[Ed Larson]

A genuine great song. I'm talking novelty song. Like, I'm talking like Ahab the AAB like, or something like, or you know,

[Henry Zebrowski]

Guitar Zan my all filled with dirt when somebody comes and get this dirt.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Purple People Eater. That's a dude, you know. Oh, oh, what's I like short shorts.

[Ed Larson]

There you go.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah,

[Ed Larson]

that is a good one. Yeah. Oh, and itsy bitty, itsy bitty teeny tiny polka dot.

[Marcus Parks]

But that's a guy.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Because only a man would write that song about a bikini on a 14 year old. Believe me. There were so many songs. I was sitting with Natalie and I was just like going through. I was like young blood. She was only 17 all every song.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, cuz I forget that the second half of that verse of Teeny Tiny Polka Dot Bikini is she wore it for the first time today.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I want to blow my brains out.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah Y yeah, all right. Well by the early to mid-1960s, Jimmy Savile was making the modern equivalent of half a million pounds a year. And he used that money to rent a one bedroom apartment in Manchester specifically for raping and abusing teenagers. And don't worry, Savile did everything he could to make this apartment as evil as possible. It was painted black, wall to wall. It only had one red light bulb swinging for illumination. This den of horror was dubbed by Jimmy Savile as the black pad. But even though Jimmy Savile was obviously feeling a bit invincible, police reports were being made concerning the crimes Savile was committing. In the later months of 1919 63, 13 separate allegations of sexual abuse were made against Jimmy Savile, but not a single one of them led to anything resembling an investigation. 13, 13 in, in a few months between October and December, I think so.

[Marcus Parks]

But they kept it on record obviously.

[Ed Larson]

They just quietly filed it away. It's just like, oh yeah, a report was made but you know, you just file a report away. Reports are made all the time. Well that fall a man went to a police station in Westminster to report that Jimmy Savile had sexually abused his girlfriend at a B DC studio. But the man who made the report was threatened with arrest himself and told to go away. Savile's crimes, however, were not limited to teenage girls. Seems like the more famous Jimmy Savile got, the wider his pool of victims grew and Savile was truly giving in to sexual predation at every level. In October, two boys aged 11 and 14 appeared in juvenile court for stealing a watch from Jimmy Savile's apartment. But not no one thought to ask why were these boys even in Jimmy Savile's apartment in the first place? And you know, that's kind of sideways. He was not immaterial, not any direct allegations, but more concretely, Savile allegedly raped a 10 year old boy in 1963. This boy had asked Jimmy for an autograph. After recognizing him outside of a hotel, Jimmy took the boy into the hotel and quote, assaulted him by penetration. But again, no action was taken since it's a form of autograph.

[Marcus Parks]

God, I, I, I guess you get rid of that.

[Ed Larson]

No, no, no, no, that's staying in.

[Henry Zebrowski]

That's saying never wash my hole again.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, it's just like it's A comedy show. And then this is the topic. What am I supposed to do here?

[Henry Zebrowski]

It's a monster. He's a part of the problem. He's a part of the problem. I am employed by you to be that mom. I walk through the brighter side. No one cares. You see, Listen, that is a joke

[Marcus Parks]

that is highly inappropriate. And I think that you need to go back to school. Podcast people like, oh, you're too nice. No one gives a. So now I do the evil one and I say the jokes and it's funny.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And people really like it.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They really do.

[Ed Larson]

They really love you. Well, Savile's crimes were not limited to children, teenagers, or even women. That same year, a man went into a police station in Cheshire to report that he'd been raped, naming Jimmy Savile as the perpetrator. Man was told to go home, forget about it, and move on. And so the man did move on, best as he could, and all of the 1963 allegations were quietly filed away and hidden. None of the reports were shared with Savile's home force, the West Yorkshire Police. But it really wouldn't have mattered if they had been shared, because Savile could already count on the cops in Northern England to always take his side, no matter what. By this point in time, by the. By 1963, he already had it under control.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, it's, like, important to remember he is, like a regular criminal also.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, like, he's not just a rapist. He, like, steals from people. He does, like, all these weird shady deals in these clubs with the mob, with their version of the mob.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

But it's like, so he has the cops in his pocket. Pocket. It's just like we are now just talking about his most horrible crimes.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You're right.

[Ed Larson]

And so there was nothing but constant rumor and accusation concerning what Jimmy Savile was getting up to, both at the clubs and at the BBC. But the organizations he worked for only increased Savile's exposure to young teenage girls. This was chiefly because teenagers have become a massively profitable business, due in no small part to the meteoric rise of the Beatles, which very, very unfortunately does involve Jimmy Savile. Thankfully, the Beatles are not involved in any sexual crimes whatsoever.

[Marcus Parks]

No, they just. Women.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

At the very least, they all said they were very sorry. But since they and Jimmy Savile rose in fame at the same time, they worked on a lot of shows together in the early days of the Beatles fame. I only mention it because Jimmy Savile used that cultural cache to his advantage throughout his life. See, while the Beatles were In their early 20s, Savile was nearing his late 30s. Into the Beatles, Jimmy Savile was just sort of an old hustler who kept his distance whenever the Beatles wanted to hang out. Which was kind of flabbergasted, like. They were actually a little flabbergasted. They're like, we're the Beatles, don't you want to hang out with us? And he's like, nope, nope. Boys going to bed, going to bed.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Smart.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

He just wanted the picture.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes, he's very smart.

[Ed Larson]

He was actually much more of a Rolling Stones guy because if you know anything about the history of the Rolling Stones, read a little bit about the making of Exile on Main Street. That was quite dark in that French villa. And if you know that Mick Jagger was a part of Jeffrey Epstein's social circle, it's pretty easy to figure out why Jimmy Savile was more attracted to the Stones than the Beatles.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. The Stones personally made two documentaries, Talk Talking about People they shouldn't be.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oh yeah, definitely, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

It was called Cocksucker Blues. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And the other one was Stones in Exile.

[Ed Larson]

Yes, yes. But as I said, Jimmy Savile mostly used musicians for props and opportunities. In this last story that we're going to tell today, this is going to tell you how far in advance Savile would set up an assault and just how much thought he put into each one. In a way, he almost reminds me of BTK and the so called projects that BTK would embark upon that would often end in murder. So Jimmy Savile had kept in contact with Elvis Presley. There are many photos of Jimmy and Elvis, but that first famous photo with the King had given Savile a permanent connection to ELVIS in the UK. So when the 16 year old President of the Elvis Presley Fan Club came on radio Luxembourg in 1963, Jimmy Savile was the one to interview the teenage girl. Jimmy asked her for a picture of herself so he could show it to Elvis next time he saw him. And indeed, after Jimmy went to America to see Elvis again, Jimmy called up the girl when he got back and invited her to his hotel so he could give her a gift from Elvis. Now this girl was ecstatic because she thought that she was going to meet someone who had talked about her to Elvis himself. And Elvis had a gift, what's not to love? But when she got to Jimmy's room, he answered the door in his pajamas. He then immediately pinned her to a wall where he had aggressively kissed her and called her an angel. Finally, he forced her to the bed and raped her, then acted afterwards as if he had done her a favor. After he got dressed, one of Jimmy's friends knocked on the door for a dinner date and Savile casually asked the girl if she wanted to join them. She said no, so Savile left her in the room after pointing out that he'd brought back three pins from America for her. They all said, I, I'm a Kissin Cousin, which was a reference to Elvis's latest film, Kissin Cousins. Worst of all, though, Jimmy Savile had gotten the girl pregnant. And when Savile had the nerve to call the girl's house afterward, the girl's mother told Savile about the child. Savile simply said that wasn't possible and he hung up. The girl had to get an illegal abortion performed without painkillers for 150 pounds, about the equivalent of about $4,000 today. It was paid for by her grandmother and I think they said it took her two years, years to pay off the debt.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Jesus Christ.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And that was Jimmy's. Anytime anyone ever said that, you know, Jimmy said Jimmy, he had it in his head that he was sterile. He believed, he truly believed that he was sterile. He wasn't. He absolutely wasn't.

[Henry Zebrowski]

No, he. And there was a lot of abortions.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Do you think there's kids?

[Ed Larson]

There are a couple of people who claim to be Jimmy Savile's children, but, I mean, but they, they, they. There were a few that came up right after he died, but after everything started, started coming out, everyone's like, you know, maybe he's not my dad. Yeah. Like, maybe, maybe I shouldn't. And, and also after it was discovered that most of his money went to charity and there were very few people who actually got a part of his for considerable fortune.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He gave it all away. He also lived like a. Like, again, we'll get to. He lived like a total popper. He like did this disc. He does that thing.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

It's weird now, by the end of 1963, it was obvious that pop music was going to be one of the biggest money makers in post war England. And Jimmy Savile, despite his reputation as a sexual monster, was seen as a sort of teenage whisperer who knew exactly what the kids like to hear. In other words, Jimmy Savile's reputation as a taste maker outweighed his reputation as a sexual predator. So when the BBC came up with a new music Countdown show, they tapped Jimmy Savile as the host. That show was of course, Top of the Pops. And that is where we will pick. Pick back up next week for part two of this sickening saga. And by the way, it only gets worse from here.

[Henry Zebrowski]

It really does.

[Ed Larson]

Far.

[Marcus Parks]

I feel like you haven't even. We haven't even scratched the surface.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Unfortunately. We have not. Like, that is really kind of again, why he's ahead on the Mount Rushmore of evil. Because the.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, right now he's just a. A dj, a club owner and a promoter.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Like, like there's a. There's. There's half. There's probably at this point a few dozen guys in England just like Jimmy Sav at this point, if not more.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Right now the people that he's assaulting still are like Sound of Mind at least.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yes. And it is going to get much, much worse. But we're just going to get funnier.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

And that's all we promised to do here, right, Eddie?

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Henry Zebrowski]

You know, we just have a good time here. So go to bed. You end up getting podcast and left and pay for ad free episodes. Also to see us live every Tuesday, 5pm PST for last stream on the left.

[Ed Larson]

And don't forget to watch us on Netflix if you want to see us do this whole thing. You can see us over there. If you have a Netflix con, if a Netflix subscription. You can watch us.

[Henry Zebrowski]

We're out there. Netflix uk.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Netflix Australia. Let us know if you have a great molester that you would like us.

[Ed Larson]

They do. I mentioned him. He is like a timing kangaroo down.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. You guys know who he is?

[Henry Zebrowski]

You guys like him?

[Ed Larson]

You know, it was Ralph Harris.

[Marcus Parks]

Harris.

[Ed Larson]

Harris. I'm pretty sure we spent like a good 30 minutes on an episode of Round Table talking about this.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm sure he's a great dinghy. D. Very, very possible.

[Ed Larson]

Time the kangaroo down. Spot Time the kangaroo down.

[Henry Zebrowski]

I literally was there for that episode. Yeah, yeah. I just remember that now.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. Y. Yep.

[Henry Zebrowski]

There you go.

[Marcus Parks]

Was. Did he work at Spookers?

[Ed Larson]

Spookers.

[Marcus Parks]

Spookers.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Well, go over to LP on the left for all your social media needs. Go over to YouTube for all our other stuff as one place underneath. LPN.

[Marcus Parks]

Roman the Foreign Report. No.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Darkness in Space. LPN TV. Come on and check out our YouTube content. Going over, over. See, watch Blood Bath because we're going to be shooting second season very soon.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So go watch that before we put out second season.

[Marcus Parks]

Also come see us on the road. Dude. We're going to Be in Cincinnati soon. Come to the Cincinnati show. We're selling that thing out. I want to sell that show out. I want Julie's family to see. I'm not a piece of.

[Henry Zebrowski]

They got to see. They gotta see right now. I'm not doing great. I'm not doing great.

[Marcus Parks]

They gotta know that I'm a good guy. So come on out to the Taft Theater and let them know. Also, that's going to be on April 25, the day after. Or Henry and I are going to be in Lexington doing a side stories. But last podcast is on the roading and we're only doing the show that we've been doing five more times.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zebrowski]

So that is the first time we're saying this, but we will say this into a microphone. This. We are coming to the end of JK Ultra at the end of this current book.

[Ed Larson]

This.

[Henry Zebrowski]

These current book dates. But that doesn't mean we're stopping.

[Marcus Parks]

That's right.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Because we're going to be immediately announcing our next tour. So that is a weird. Is happening. We're so excited. We're going to be coming up with a new show, but up until I believe, Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City.

[Ed Larson]

That's where we're ending this tour. JK Ultra dies in Oklahoma City. You heard it here first.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. All right. April 25th, Cincinnati, Ohio. May 29th, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. June 27th, Grand Rapids, Michigan. July 17th, Tulsa, Oklahoma. July 18th, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Come and see JK Ultra Live. I'm a road.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, a lot of stuff dies in Oklahoma.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So I think this is appropriate.

[Ed Larson]

Many of my ancestors came very close to dying in Oklahoma during the Dust Bowl.

[Henry Zebrowski]

There you go. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

That dust didn't kill us. Dust can't kill me.

[Marcus Parks]

That's right.

[Ed Larson]

Yep.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Takes bullet to his head. Sweet Satan, everyone.

[Ed Larson]

Hell Ge. There are many things that can kill me.

[Marcus Parks]

Hail Mother Teresa. Because her.

[Henry Zebrowski]

She was a liar. She's a liar.

[Marcus Parks]

She was Jimmy Savile episode. And you know, I don't want to hail someone I like.

[Ed Larson]

Okay, okay. How's about. Why don't we help Paul McCartney? Because he. He has.

[Marcus Parks]

He's the good one.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, well, because like Paul McCart, it's so funny to read and hear him talk about Jimmy Savo. He's like, goes a bit of the time. We just. Home is a bit of a toler man. But, you know, we always had. We always made sure that the girls are okay. I'm just. I'm just not comfortable talking about this.

[Marcus Parks]

But yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Paul McCarty's fine.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. All the Beatles didn't beat John Lennon beat.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

And Ringo Star as well.

[Marcus Parks]

Really?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. Bad alcoholic in the. In the 80s or 90s. I thought he was just fine.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Peace and love. Peace and love.

[Ed Larson]

No, but he. He came out and he did admit to it and greatly like, apologize. Apologize for.

[Henry Zebrowski]

But he's working on it. No, no song.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I know.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Yeah, man.

[Ed Larson]

And John Lennon also did address the domestic stuff and he did also apologize for it as well.

[Henry Zebrowski]

He said, I'm sorry. He tried. And then he got shot back.

[Ed Larson]

And then he got shot. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

In the face, on the back. Cool.

[Ed Larson]

Yep. In the back.

[Henry Zebrowski]

By the CIA. All you need is love.

[Marcus Parks]

All you need is love.

[Henry Zebrowski]

Bye. Bye. Breathe in.

[Ed Larson]

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[Ed Larson]

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