A (2:34)

The Union Gap.

C (2:36)

That's right, Union Gap. Yeah, stay out of that gap.

B (2:41)

And we had the last podcast on the left, resident safety expert Ed Larson. How are you doing, Ed?

C (2:47)

I'm feeling all right, you know, I'm feeling great now and bad later.

B (2:52)

I'm feeling.

C (2:53)

Young girl.

B (2:54)

I'm feeling bad now because I've been spending day after day and hour after hour with the story of Jimmy Savile. We're here part two of three, and this is one of the longest scripts I have ever written.

C (3:06)

Yeah, I've been watching that Steve Coogan show, you know, barely any jokes. Yeah, you got Steve Coogan, Jimmy Savile, nothing. I'm sitting here waiting for the laughs,

A (3:16)

waiting for the Yucks.

C (3:17)

Yeah.

A (3:17)

He did all sorts of impressions. Yeah.

C (3:19)

Yeah. He hasn't done the Michael Caine thing once.

A (3:21)

Not once. Michael Kane. Michael Kane. Michael Kane, yeah.

B (3:29)

Let's celebrate a little bit of nice British history for a second. More cocaine. That's nice.

A (3:34)

That's how you know it. Just be like he brings it down. Yeah, like grape it.

B (3:41)

That's all over now. When we last left Jimmy Savile, the year was 1963, and 13 allegations of sexual assault and abuse had been made against the most evil man in England to various police stations around the nation over the course of just a few months. Not a single one of those reports, however, had resulted in any sort of investigation.

C (4:01)

That's why we should give those cops guns,

A (4:05)

wouldn't it give them confidence to work harder?

B (4:09)

Partly this is due to the fact that even though Jimmy was just starting to get famous, he had already formed numerous meaningful connections with law enforcement. Even worse, it's likely that the coppers were letting Jimmy know that people were making reports. But instead of stopping his increasingly monstrous behavior, it seems like Jimmy Savile figured that he needed to do a bit of public relations. Something to bolster his public image and convince the people of Britain that he was a good person, if a strange person. As we said last episode, charity would become Jimmy Savile's most effective camouflage. But before Savile came to be known as the most successful philanthropist in England, he had his mother, AKA the Duchess. See, I don't think it's a coincidence that Jimmy's first public appearances with the Duchess occurred in 1963, which was the same year that the first wave of allegations began piling up against Jimmy Savile. Starting in 1963, the Duchess became Jimmy Savile's constant companion at film premieres and on holidays, his steady date, so to speak. And even though Jimmy Savile spent a lot of time on the road in his caravan, he would live with his mother whenever he went back to his home base in Leeds. This, however, was not because the Duchess was pleasant company. The Duchess was cold and unpleasant to everyone, including Jimmy. And anyone who came into Jimmy's orbit when the Duchess was around got treated like a pimp who was just trying to squeeze money from her son.

A (5:45)

You know, it's so hard with momagers because they get so involved and they do ruin the whole crew. It ruins the set having them involved. But he says this in the psychiatrist chair interview. Like, he specifically says, I started bringing my mother around with me because nobody doubts a guy that brings his mother Around.

B (6:05)

Yeah.

A (6:06)

And then he started like. Like, this is the key to Jimmy Savile, which you bring up later in the episode, is this idea of we're all, like. We all are. Safe to assume he's kidding.

B (6:17)

Yeah.

A (6:17)

Right. Which is this thing that we're seeing right now with the President and all this kind of shit, but if there was one person that told you every single crime that he ever did, it's Jimmy Savile.

B (6:27)

Yep. Now, to be fair, it seems like the Duchess never really had any real understanding of what Jimmy's career actually was. She never watched nor listened to any of his shows, and she never congratulated him for anything he did because she

A (6:41)

believed that show business was literally for. To use a term for pufters and workers. You know, I mean, like, she was one of those people that believed that it was, like, not real.

B (6:50)

Yeah. From what I can tell, the Duchess still believed until the day she died that her son, like her husband, made all of his money on the Leeds black market. And she was always waiting for the police to come arrest her son for theft because Jimmy Savile was making a lot of fucking money. But even though the Duchess was domineering, denigrating and rejecting, Savile was still embarrassingly devoted to her. Jimmy would get up every Sunday morning and take his mother to Mass, kissing her hand in deference and draping his arm around her like she was more girlfriend than mother, as record executive Tony Calder put it. It was obvious that Savile could not have a serious relationship with any woman but his mother while she was still alive. But in the end, Jimmy's plan worked. He developed a reputation as a man who loved his mother, a good man. And his close relationship with the Duchess certainly helped stave off any rumors that cropped up regarding Jimmy's sexual crimes.

A (7:50)

I bet you he even stole that whole tack from Liberace. Because Liberace, famously, you know, he was a bachelor and he lived in his homes, and he only ever talked about his mother. But that was viewed as, like, my mom, God bless her. Like, she. My mom was like. Because she just.

C (8:07)

She'd be a great duchess.

A (8:08)

Oh, yes. She wanted.

C (8:10)

She wants this life.

A (8:11)

She wants this life. She kind of like the way she viewed Barry Manilow.

C (8:15)

Right?

A (8:16)

Like, in her mind, homosexuals were like, not in. Think if she liked. You look much like Jimmy Savile. If she liked you as a man, you couldn't possibly be homosexual.

B (8:27)

Sure. Even though Barry Manilow got his start playing gay bathhouses in New York with Bette Midler.

A (8:32)

Yeah. My mom was always like, hold on. I know, I know.

B (8:35)

Eddie, calm down.

C (8:36)

I don't think I could do this. Calm down.

A (8:38)

How many come down in the room, unfortunately.

B (8:41)

Go outside, listen to the divine Miss M, then come back and we'll talk.

A (8:45)

Listen. Just know the guy who wrote Copa Cabana is married to a man. And I am still. I know, I know.

C (8:53)

Man, that is low. Yeah, I know, I know.

A (8:57)

My mom was always like, he's a bachelor, he's a bachelor. And then the same thing with Liberace. She always was like, growing up, they. There was no idea. Like, yes, like candlesticks.

C (9:07)

Yes.

A (9:07)

He's covered in jewels and he's got an effeminate way. And it sounds like those. But because he loves his mother, like, it's this whole thing, like, I've chosen a character and then that it's then real. And I think at this time period, it really was like, okay, he's a mother guy.

B (9:22)

Yeah. And people believe what they want to believe. You know, your mother believed that Barry Manilow was straight because she had a crush on Barry Manilow and she wanted to think that maybe one day she could be with Barry Manilow.

A (9:32)

She wanted to be Lola.

B (9:33)

Yeah.

A (9:33)

And turns out, Lola, big old hog on him.

C (9:37)

It was so funny. When my mom got divorced my father, she really thought that she was going to start dating Billy Joel. That is.

A (9:45)

It might be towards delusion, towards true grief, but we'll, you know, figure it out.

B (9:51)

But it works the same way with Jimmy Savile, is that people wanted to believe that Jimmy Savile was a good man, that there was a man in Britain who was charitable, who really only cared about helping other people and was not an absolute monster.

A (10:04)

And he was like a toy that would go back in its cupboard and then the cupboard would close and he would start and his penis would go away. Yep.

B (10:10)

Now, even though accusations of sexual misconduct had followed Jimmy Savile wherever he went from the moment he entered the entertainment industry, Savile was, unfortunately, incredibly good at his job. The British people found him entertaining, and he had an innate understanding of what teenagers like to see and what they like to hear. And so a BBC producer contacted Jimmy Savile in late 1963 about being a presenter on the first episode of a music countdown show called Top of the Pops that was aimed at. Aimed directly at British teens. Now, it really can't be overstated just how big of a cultural impact the Top of the Pops had on not just the uk, but on the entire Western world. Performances Made by both British and American artists, on Top of the Pops could be cultural watersheds. And the show itself remained relevant for decades, well into the 1990s, and it started in 1964. I mean, just a few examples of some of the great performances. David Bowie brought glam rock to the masses. When he performed Starman on Top of the Pops in 1972, when he draped his arm around Mick Ronson, it changed the way people thought about male relationships in the uk.

C (11:23)

And he never did anything wrong.

A (11:25)

Not a single Boy George never did anything wrong. Boy George just kept that one man

C (11:34)

hostage in his basement.

A (11:35)

But that had nothing to do with the music anymore.

B (11:37)

He pushed the boundaries of gender. When Culture Club made their debut on Top of the Pops, and ten years after David Bowie, hell, even the Spice Girls, who I will legitimately defend as an important pop group, they broke through on Top of the Pops.

A (11:52)

That's where they got famous incredible artists. Gary Glitter, Michael Jackson. Yeah, so many crazy artists from the

C (11:58)

Top of the Pops, man. Did you hear when the Spice Girls back on tour, they had Baby Spice. Had to change her name.

A (12:04)

Oh, yeah.

C (12:04)

To Old Spice.

A (12:05)

Oh, cute. Save it for the road. Yeah.

B (12:11)

But lurking in the background of the hundreds of incredible performances that influenced generation after generation of British musicians was Jimmy Savile. And Jimmy perverted one of mankind's greatest accomplishments, musical expression, to constantly feed his most carnal desires.

C (12:29)

I just can't believe Carson Daly wasn't the rapist.

A (12:32)

You know, Eli, Honestly, I feel like when it comes to why Carson Daly wasn't the hair.

C (12:39)

Yeah, he's attractive.

A (12:40)

Wrong hair.

C (12:40)

Yeah.

A (12:41)

Wrong hair.

B (12:42)

Wrong hair. Now, the first episode of Top of the Pops aired on New Year's Day, 1964, with Jimmy Savile as the host, the show was an immediate hit. It ran for 42 years and had an average viewership of 15 million people a week. It didn't lose cultural relevance until the 2000s, but in the process, Jimmy Savile made household names out of bands and he broke countless careers, all while he made himself perhaps the most well known household name of all, at least within the uk. In other words, Jimmy Savile was attaching himself to pleasure, to joy, ensuring that everyone who watched Top of the Pops associated him with the incredible feelings we get when we hear something new and exciting. Savile, however, was not the only host. Top of the Pops had a rotating team of four presenters, including Jimmy Savile. But while all four hosts were approaching their 40th birthday when, when the first episode aired in 1964, Jimmy Savile was the one who presented himself as much younger, while the other hosts dressed and groomed themselves appropriately for their age, according to the standards of the time. Suits and well groomed hair. Jimmy Savile, at 38 years old, did everything he could to attract attention and set himself apart as, quote, the world's oldest teenager. That's how he liked to refer to himself.

A (14:04)

And the other hosts took note.

C (14:05)

Yes.

B (14:07)

Savile would appear on camera without explanation, dressed as a Roman legionnaire or a pharaoh. He liked to wear costumes. Sometimes he'd wear a suit adorned with real bananas or a hat covered in flashing lights. His hair was also longer than most of the acts, male or female, and he bleached and straightened his hair to make himself look even more bizarre and even more clownish.

C (14:29)

It's almost like his job was boring and he had to dress like that so people would remember who he was.

B (14:34)

Yeah.

A (14:34)

You know, I also think that he understood about creating a unique, unique, iconoclastic image that would make people believe that when you're meeting him, you're meeting Ronald McDonald.

B (14:45)

Yeah.

C (14:46)

And he liked being recognized in public.

A (14:48)

Oh, that's huge. It's his whole thing. It's the only. It's a way the whole gig works.

B (14:52)

He was so addicted to being recognized in public that they said he was. Anytime he was outside of the uk, he was like a scared little boy. He was afraid because nobody knew who he was and he needed people to know who he was.

A (15:05)

Yeah. If he came to America, he's just a creepy old man.

B (15:08)

Yeah, that's what he was. When he came to America, they knew

C (15:10)

who he was at the Vatican.

A (15:12)

They know a lot of guys over there. It's a real boys club over there, if you notice.

B (15:18)

Now, both the British audiences and the people at the BBC agreed that Jimmy Savile looked odd. But when it came to his bosses at the Beeb, Savile was also. Even though he looked incredibly strange, he was also the most professional of all the presenters. He was the one that the producers didn't have to watch or tell what to do, where every other host had to be briefed by a producer before every taping. Sal Saville could go on air without so much as a word. And the man in charge at Top of the Pops at the BBC came to, as he put it, believe in Jimmy Savile. Savile was trusted and the freedom earned by his competence was twisted into something evil almost immediately.

A (15:59)

I'm going to say this as an executive producer. We don't work there Is. Yeah, there's work here, there's work to do obviously but you know, do sir

C (16:08)

with no executive in front. That's the person who works quite a bit of work almost as hard as the co producer.

A (16:13)

Yes. And I think that they look at Jimmy Savile and when they could see somebody that they don't have to lead by the hand, it's very easy to do. He was a natural.

B (16:22)

Yeah, he was.

C (16:23)

Did he host it all the way till the show's end or.

B (16:26)

No, he was the one of the fourth. I can't remember what year he stopped like presenting on it. I mean it's because at one point he just looked too old.

A (16:35)

Yeah, he was like frightening.

B (16:36)

Yeah, he's like already. You know, he's already in his late 30s when the show starts parts. I mean you can't have a show like this that's aimed at teenagers. You can't have a 50, 60 year old man coming on stage. You know, he, he appeared in the very last episode of Top of the Pops. I do know that. He, he hosted the very last episode.

A (16:53)

He came back.

B (16:54)

Now, while Jimmy Savile's reputation as a professional followed him to Top of the Pops, so too did his reputation for having an insatiable desire to have sex with as many young girls as possible. Making Savile the host of a show with a live teenage audience was putting the proverbial cat amongst the pig. Because considering how many massively popular bands and artists were constantly performing on Top of the Pops. I mean, the Beatles were there all the time, the Rolling Stones were there, there was no shortage of prey for Jimmy Savile. Reportedly from nearly the beginning, Savile would find a teenage girl from the live studio audience and disappear from the set for 20 minutes into a private room. Once out of sight, Savile, acting off an almost automatic compulsion, would pull down his pants and rape the girl who was often too shocked or frightened to react. An hour later, Savile would be ready to go again and another girl would disappear. Don't get that a. Whoa. And another girl would disappear for another 20 minutes. And then when the taping was done for the day, there would still be a steady stream of teenage girls in and out of the 38 year old Jimmy Savile's apartment because his sexual needs were truly bottomless. But when pressed as to what happened when these girls would be alone with Savile by author Dan Davies, Savile would say he was engaged in, quote, nice friendly things, tea and friendliness. He also said that he only liked girly girls and didn't have time for girls who were too smart. Again, this was Savile knowing what he could get away with. And this was also Savile openly telling people how he did it it every step of the way without actually telling them.

A (18:36)

Yeah, you see, I tried to tell Jimmy, what you got to do is wait till the first roar hits the edge of the sleeping cup and that is how you know they're ready for penetration.

C (18:48)

From the comedian.

A (18:54)

Now.

C (18:54)

Who's that.

B (19:02)

Now? While sex was Jimmy Savile's number one impulse, he could also be incredibly violent. A young man who became friendly with Jimmy Savile said that he was walking to visit the famous TV presenter one day in 1964 when a gang of British street toughs appeared and started giving the kid a hard time. If you've ever been to England, it's a regular occurrence.

A (19:22)

I remember Yankee, Yankee Marcus and I were threatened by little boys. He was intense.

C (19:29)

I know I still owe them money for that.

A (19:32)

In Dublin, every little boy's a man. Yeah, well.

B (19:35)

Seemingly out of nowhere, Jimmy Savile appeared like a pedophile batman and grabbed one of the troublemakers. Savile plunged his thumb into the troublemaker's eye socket, causing blood and viscera to spurt out. Savile took this boy's eye and thought nothing of it, simply went on with his day. Savile could also get threatening and violent with the musicians. On top of the pilot, In July of 1964, the Rolling Stones were set to perform their first number one hit, It's All Over Now. But they had decided to be difficult once they arrived at the BBC studios. When they refused to go on stage for the taping, Jimmy Savile personally threatened the Rolling Stones, telling them that if they weren't going to play, they could choose to be unconscious instead, because Jimmy's so called minders were going to beat them half to death. Death if they didn't make the recording. Stones, of course, played and returned to Top of the Pops numerous times over the years for many more performances.

C (20:36)

To see him try that with Motorhead,

B (20:38)

Seriously, God, how satisfying would it be to watch Lemmy beat Jimmy Savile to death?

A (20:44)

No, I would have. God, nothing would have made me. I die of happiness.

C (20:47)

Yeah, Just put a cigarette out in

A (20:49)

his eye, you know, to me, they talked about this scene and they talk about how, how he switched and how he came in the room and he's Jimmy Savile, clown man. And then all of a sudden his voice drops like Three octaves and then he's growling at you and you're actually scared of this man, like. And they all like, Keith Richards was scared of him.

C (21:11)

Well, they're also. Keith Richards was 17, 18 at the

A (21:14)

time, but still, if I was an 18 year old, like rock star and some old weird man came back here to tell me what to do, like, how many times rock tars are going to go like you? There's something about him. Well, that scared the out of me

C (21:27)

because he had henchmen behind him. You know, you didn't around at the BBC back then. Rock and roll also is like 10 days old at this point.

B (21:35)

Yeah.

A (21:36)

You know, brand new.

B (21:39)

Zel, however, was not content to keep his sexual crimes to just the BBC studios. His sexual appetite. I mean, you can get as many synonyms as you want. It's, it's truly ravenous.

A (21:52)

In BBC they use the term he was an extravagant sexual offender.

B (21:56)

Yeah.

A (21:56)

Which to me kind of was the

B (21:58)

guardian that called him an extravagant sexual offender.

A (22:00)

Yeah. Which to me, you know, means like a lot of like wigs. You know, like if you're an extravagant sexual. I'm thinking that you have your own semi with all the gear.

C (22:12)

Yeah. Rolls Royce didn't hurt.

B (22:14)

Spending too much money, not even looking at price tags.

A (22:16)

Not even looking it.

B (22:18)

Well, when Jimmy Savile wasn't filming episodes at Top of the Pops, he was roaming England in his caravan with a Jaguar sports car hitched to the back in search of more victims. One of his favorite hunting spots was Scarborough beach on the eastern coast of Northern England, because as we'll get into later, Scarborough's mayor was also a sexual predator who terrorized the youth of this seaside town for three decades. But when Savile was solo in Scarborough, he would park his caravan on the clifftops, then unhitch the Jaguar so he could roam the area. Once he found a girl or multiple girls, he'd take them back to his secluded caravan where I'm sure the implication was quite strong. But even when Savile was confronted by reporters with the fact that maybe this was a bad thing to do, he would maintain that these girls, they threw themselves at him, they fell in love with him and then they broke up with him. And it all happened in a matter of days. No harm, no foul. In fact, Savile fancied himself as such a coxman that he claimed that many of these girls would mail him Christmas cards for years after the sexual encounters they had in his souped up caravan on the cliffs of Scarborough. This, of course, was Another of Jimmy Savile's many lies.

C (23:30)

You can't mail a Christmas card to a van.

A (23:33)

It's super hard. It's super hard. You would need to use Blitzen himself. You know what I mean? I feel like that takes a little bit of Christmas magic. Maybe Santa is involved, because I think that if there is somebody that, that Jimmy Savile knew, it might have been Santa.

C (23:49)

Also, this isn't helping the reputation of vans.

B (23:52)

It's not?

A (23:53)

No.

B (23:53)

Well, I mean, well, this, this is an rv. It's not a van. It's. It's just. It's in. In England, they call RVs caravans.

C (24:00)

A rape vehicle.

B (24:00)

Yes.

A (24:01)

They also call undershirts vests. Huh. Really a lot of up dumb stuff over there, huh? You're.

C (24:09)

You're acting like a real cigarette right now.

A (24:14)

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B (28:20)

The Jimmy Savile continued to show up on the radar of the police throughout the 1960s. But again, nothing was ever done. According to a report from the London Metro Police's pedophile unit in 1964.

A (28:33)

Pedophile. Pedophile.

B (28:34)

Pedophile.

A (28:35)

Pedophile.

B (28:36)

They did it. Is calling pedophile.

C (28:38)

He's doing the Irish one.

B (28:41)

Well, we'll get into that on the next episode when we talk about Lord Mountbatt.

A (28:45)

Oh, can't wait for him.

C (28:46)

Why do they all have, like, rape built into their names, Jimmy? So vile.

B (28:54)

Well, according to this report, an investigation occurred in which police discovered that there was a house in Battersea where several girls and a young boy were being pimped out by three men. Jimmy Savo was recorded as a regular visitor to this house. And it isn't a coincidence that the girls in question had escaped from an institution called the Duncroft Approved School for Girls. This institution, which we'll get into in great detail later, looms large in Jimmy Savile's later charity work. And it's possible that this underage brothel is where Jimmy first heard of the Duncroft Approved School for Girls.

A (29:31)

Yeah, and instead of where the boys aren't, it should be where the boys shouldn't be.

B (29:35)

That doesn't make any sense.

C (29:37)

We're. We're trying, man. We're doing our best. We're out here taking swings. You know I stand up for you, Henry. It's a hard. It's a hard game.

A (29:46)

I know. I know.

B (29:47)

It's a hard game.

A (29:48)

Boys aren't where the boys aren't series. Seriously. Not as popular as it used to be.

B (29:53)

I don't know what that is.

A (29:54)

Oh, you. I think you do.

B (29:56)

I don't.

A (29:56)

Where the boys aren't.

C (29:57)

Well, there was one boy there.

A (29:59)

Well, there.

B (30:00)

Yeah.

A (30:01)

Now I'm talking about pornography, Marcus.

B (30:05)

Oh, pornography. Okay, I got it. I get it, I get it. But before Jimmy Savile truly dove into his so called charity work, he was working hard to shore up his relations with law enforcement. Because Jimmy Savile's relations with law enforcement were probably the largest thing that kept him out of jail for so many years. In 1966, a police officer from Manchester said that he was one of many law enforcement officials who paid social visits to Jimmy Savile's Manchester apartment. This officer said that several teenage girls and several police were a near constant presence at Savill's flat and that his fellow police officers would often disappear into the back rooms with Jimmy's teenage visitors. This officer, however, insisted, as everyone always did, that all the girls were at or above the age of consent. Sixteen.

A (30:58)

You can tell. It's easy to do. Okay. Like, listen, all you gotta do is check their IDs. Funny. I'm just joking. I do it with my pinky. That's how I can tell.

B (31:10)

No, that's the thing about that. You don't know. In the UK, at the age of 16, everyone actually gets a. What's called a card in the mail, like. And then you just show that card. It's actually. It's called, like a shag pass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this officer also weakly added that in 1966, quote, nobody had really heard of pedophiles. Yeah, nobody had heard of pedophiles in 1966.

C (31:38)

Except for, you know, kids.

A (31:42)

Why are we asking kids all these questions then? But this is.

B (31:46)

I mean, there were multiple police departments in England that had established. Established pedophile units.

A (31:52)

Yeah, yeah. Now, pedophile unit isn't just them hanging out. You know what I mean? No, they're looking for.

C (31:57)

Yeah, Savile had his own pedophile unit. His penis.

B (32:01)

Yeah, yeah.

A (32:02)

He also had his own group, but we'll get to that next episode.

B (32:04)

But it wasn't Balls.

A (32:10)

Where the Boys shouldn't be.

B (32:13)

But it wasn't just the cops who were ignoring and or participating in Savile's crime. In the mid-60s, a young reporter named Alan Leake spent time with the four presenters from Top of the Pops. But the time he spent with Jimmy Savile had a far more sinister tenor than all the rest. Now, to show you just how confident Jimmy Savile was, how he hid in plain sight and how people simply ignored his evil behavior, Savile on several occasions brought an underage girl into the presence of this reporter to show her off. Off. Before Savile disappeared with her into another room. After the Standard Jimmy Savile 20 minutes, Savile would reappear and wash his gross little penis off in the kitchen sink in front of the reporter, which gave the reporter a sense that he had been fully complicit in what Jimmy Savile had just done. The reporter also confirmed that several police officers were regular visitors to Jimmy's flight. The reporter even talked to some of the girls who all said that Savile engaged in, quote, quick sex in either his car or in his flat. And these girls were also openly offered by Jimmy Savile to the reporter for sexual favors. But again, when the reporter was asked why he didn't expose Jimmy Savile in 1966, he could only offer the weak excuse that he, quote, hadn't got a story from his time with Savile. Perhaps the reporter bought into Saville's claims that the girls were always making up lies about Savile to get attention that they were always lying that he'd gotten them pregnant even though he claimed to be sterile, which he wasn't. Could also be that the reporter knew that if he took a shot at Jimmy Savile and missed, his entire life was over. It was ruined.

C (34:01)

There it is.

B (34:02)

Because who would believe that Jimmy Savile, a man who helped people, people, and loved his mother so much, could be such a brazen monster?

A (34:11)

Just decided, that's above my pay grade.

C (34:14)

Yeah.

A (34:14)

Literally what he decided. He watched all this and he was like, this is so institutionalized. I'm.

B (34:22)

Yeah, there's nothing I can do about it.

A (34:23)

There's all these police officers here. Yeah, he's openly washing his dick in front of me. Yeah, this is. I'm now a criminal. Yeah, yeah, I'm one now.

B (34:33)

Now, reporters and cops weren't Savl's only enablers in his crimes. Savl would actually employ people to assist him in his sexual misdeeds. Men like Dave Eager.

C (34:43)

Bad name.

A (34:44)

Bad name. Yeah, My name's Rodney. Kid. Yeah. You wouldn't guess, honestly. The name comes from a long line of Swedish kid fuker. You say kid line. We, you know, just to stay cold.

C (34:59)

We.

A (34:59)

We have 12 children and we'd murder them through the winter. We'd kill them. We'd them and kill them throughout the winter in order to stay warm and eat them.

C (35:06)

I'm a kid.

A (35:07)

I'm a kid now. I'm a radio dj. How you doing? I'm the. I'm Herman and the hermit's manager. Nice to meet you.

B (35:17)

Dave Eager was groomed as a DJ and an assistant to Jimmy Savile in the mid-1960s. Eager was paid £10 a week to go through Jimmy's fan mail to find teenage girls for Jimmy to contact and rape. Additionally, Eager would make sure that the newspapers knew that all of the girls that Jimmy was having sex with were of legal age. That was part of his job. And that's, of course, when many of these girls were not of legal age. With men like Dave Eager on his side. Men who still insisted after Savile's death that they knew nothing, even though they themselves were procuring victims. Savile entered the peak of his crime times in 1966, and he destroyed lives across Britain at an unimaginable rate for the next 10 years.

C (36:04)

You know, it's like. It's that whole hide in plain sight thing that we've been talking about. You know, it's like if he. People see him take a young girl and he, like, waves at all of them and walks into the room with her, there's. They gotta think, there's no way he's doing anything bad. He just showed all of us that he's going in the room with her.

A (36:19)

No, he is exactly doing. He's doing his crimes out loud. Yeah, he is. He is unashamed and he believes he's entirely above any form of reproach.

B (36:29)

And he. Because he is.

A (36:30)

Yeah. Can't get him. Kevin got him yet.

C (36:32)

They did.

A (36:33)

Never did.

B (36:33)

They never got him.

A (36:34)

But you know who got him? Poor St. Peter.

B (36:40)

Now, by the mid-1960s, Savile was incredibly wealthy from all the various gigs in which he was becoming one of the most famous men in Britain. Radio Luxembourg was still going strong. Top of the Pops was a massive hit, and he was still DJing at dance halls across England with these huge paychecks. Jimmy Savile bought a Rolls Royce, something that he dreamed of since his days as a Bevan boy. And that Rolls Royce would become one of his trademark accessories, along with his cigar heels.

A (37:09)

Because they remember he had. He had a fake Rolls Royce.

B (37:11)

Yeah, he had actually. He had turned a junker into a. Like a sort of like Frankenstein Rolls Royce.

A (37:18)

Yes.

B (37:18)

Now, he. He also talked in that. That interview about how he would always constantly buy a new one. Because he said, if something happened to me tomorrow, if something came out about me tomorrow, if it was all over tomorrow, I'd rather have that new Rolls Royce than an old one.

A (37:35)

And honestly, for predators, it's great advice. If you've got the money now, I. You know, right now, if you're just about to be canceled, you know it's coming. Buy that car right now. I want you to know that this is the time, because you're going to have a lot more fun talking to your lawyer on a cell phone in the Rules Royce, because you're not gonna have a home anymore. You're not gonna have a wife anymore, you're gonna have kids anymore. You're gonna have a lot of time in that car.

B (37:58)

Yeah, but remember, there's always gonna. It's gonna be eventually the third act of Boogie Nights where you're in that really nice car, that Corvette, but it's broken down. Now, eventually, that's gonna be your life.

C (38:07)

You can't afford to fix it.

A (38:09)

Yes, because that point then, that's when you finally get all the goodwill that we've been begging you for, and you blow your fucking brains out. Right? And that's how you turn it all around. That's the kind of apology I want to see.

B (38:21)

Well, because Jimmy Savile was now publicly rich, he started doing publicity stunts for charity, making huge shows of donating to the poor and donating to organizations that help the sick. These stunts, of course, also did a great job of hiding who Jimmy Savile really was. In one stunt, Jimmy worked in a Welsh coal mine to raise money to buy a guide dog for a miner who'd been blinded on the job. That's just an example of, like, the small things that Jimmy Savile would show up for.

A (38:47)

But it's the kind of thing that makes. That juices up every fucking local idiot. They're all just like, oh, look what I did. Oh, we gave up to the coal mine. It's nice to see you gave the blind man a bit help.

B (38:59)

I don't think Jimmy Saville would have ever had his sex with a child because, remember when he helped old blind belly with his dog?

A (39:06)

Listen, if he was going to do anything, he would have raped that miner in front of all of us because of shit. I know it. Because there's nothing worse than a blind, lost miner. Make our dare open for. Open to. To be f. Hoping for cork and ass.

C (39:23)

Oh, so he was, like, nice to those miners. To those miners.

A (39:27)

Yeah.

B (39:29)

Well, using his supposed time in the Bevin Boys, Savile actually managed to insert himself into every coal mining kerfuffle of the decade. And there were many. The most tragic of which, of course, was the abavan disaster of 1966. That October, a huge pile of waste material from a local mine collapsed in the town of Abavan after heavy rain. Now, this wouldn't have been an issue had the pile not been located on a mountain above the town, against every safety regulation in existence.

A (39:59)

I knew we shouldn't have put that mountain to set there. I knew. I saw it was going to be a bit of a problem here.

C (40:08)

Put it on top of the town. There's no problem there.

A (40:11)

You said it that way, actually agree with him. We know that.

B (40:23)

But piled on a mountain it was. And when it collapsed in the rain, it transformed into a raging flood of coal slurry, a godly fist of industrial waste. 140,000 tons of this shit rushed down the mountain and smashed into a local school, killing 116 children and 28 adults. Adults. They died horrible deaths involving either crushing or suffocation.

C (40:53)

Okay, I'm wrong. I was wrong.

A (40:58)

I think it's nice that those children don't got to be out anymore because it's old enough as it is to make it as an adult, anyone that

C (41:08)

digs their way out of there, straight to the mines, they're great. Walker.

B (41:14)

Jimmy Savile was, of course, soon on the scene. Fundraising money for the families of the Ababan disaster victims. And since he was a former coal miner himself, Savile's efforts made him even more of a working class saint in the eyes of the British people. He was always very, very good at attaching himself to something that was very emotional. People would make that association in their brains. Jimmy Savile, good man. Savile, however, would always say he was only doing these events to encourage teenagers to help their fellow Brits, which raised his profile as a good, if strange man even more.

C (41:52)

Thank God 911 happened here.

B (41:57)

Yeah. God, he would have been down there with Steve Buscemi.

A (42:01)

Oh, man, if those planes hit Big Ben, you just heard the herd gong and then he goes over there. But I don't know if people would care.

B (42:09)

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, Britain, they had. That was. That march.

A (42:12)

Well, that was horrific.

B (42:13)

They had their huge. The, the bus bombing. Yeah, yeah. He stayed up there.

A (42:18)

They took out Big Ben. I think that the English people would kind of be like, yeah, all right, you know.

B (42:22)

Now, in the mid-1960s, Jimmy Savile's charity, it was limited mostly to stunts and events, as he had not yet quite found his way into the institutions where he would commit some of his most heinous crimes. And so, to find vulnerable victims and indulge in his worst impulses, Jimmy sav spent the mid-60s in the seedy underworld of British pedophile rings. And he actually involved members of his own family in these indulgences. In 1967, Jimmy Savile took in his teenage nephew, Guy, named Guy Marsden.

A (42:55)

No child should be named Guy.

B (42:57)

Nope. Marsden had run away from home and he had found Savile in London. And Savile wasted no time in introducing Guy to the absolute worst that Savile's life had to offer.

A (43:07)

Offer.

B (43:08)

Soon after Guy arrived, he and Savile met an unnamed man at a train station in London. This man invited the two of them to a flat for some, quote, unquote, snacks. This, quite unfortunately, was simply code for sex with actual children. According to Marsden, Savile claimed that he found young runaways on the regular, and when he found a runaway, he sent them to this unnamed man's house. At this house, parties were constantly happening, and over time, Marsden attended several of these pedophile parties where the only attendees were men and children between the ages of 6 and 10. These parties would last for days. And they constantly moved locations. Children of both sexes would regularly disappear into rooms with adult men. But either through guilt or denial, Marsden insisted that all of the kids were there voluntarily and all quotes, quote, had a good time.

C (44:05)

Where did they get the kids?

B (44:06)

They were runaways.

A (44:07)

Yeah, they were runaways. Like the homeless kids?

B (44:09)

Yeah, they just pick them up off the street and bring them in.

C (44:12)

Yeah.

B (44:12)

And there they were until God knows what happened to him afterwards. Marsden, apparently, one of the reasons why he didn't come forward is that he stayed in, you know, quote, unquote, the scene for many years. He kind of made a bit of a place for him there to survive.

A (44:26)

Yeah, he is a. This is what we're going to see more of this where Jimmy Savill, it was kind of a singular offender for a while, and I think that he was trying to keep it to himself, but as he got older, he was adding to his crew and he would then, as we know, which I do think is like a common thing, is that pedophiles and. And rapists of this type tend to form groups. They tend to get together as to. Because in order to protect each other. So we are going to see. This is. I think on one hand, Jimmy Savile was visiting other people's pedophile networks and it would take a while for him to build his own.

B (45:05)

Well, I mean, the one thing that also keep in mind with Jimmy Savile is that one of the things that kept him from getting caught is that his life, everything in his life, was highly compartmentalized.

A (45:14)

Deeply compartmentalized and controlled to the very, very bottom of it.

B (45:18)

Yeah, he made sure that he kept all of these things separate. He kept all these people separate because he'd never. He said he never wanted anybody to gather around and gossip about him or talk about him. And, you know, and it kept.

A (45:32)

That's.

B (45:33)

It's a control tactic. You know, if you isolate somebody, you can control the entire narrative. If you let them talk to other people, then they might figure out that what's going on is really fucked up.

C (45:44)

Yeah. And it's also like, you're so brazen with your assault that no one's going to believe that you would actually do that.

B (45:49)

Yeah, yeah. Now, Jimmy Savile had proved with Top of the Pops that he was a hit with the British people. And even though his reputation as a sexual predator was well known at the BBC, they still gave him another show on BBC Radio 1 called Savill's Travels. In Savile's Travels, Jimmy would roam around Britain in his caravan, chatting with everyday people while promoting his various charity events. But as it went with every job Savile ever had, he used Savile's travels as simply another avenue to feed his insatiable urges. Since he was going to be constantly traveling, Savile upgraded his caravan with a large double bed, red upholstery, gold tassels and a stained glass dividing door. It was built for the sole purpose of comfortably and privately committing sex crimes. And when Savile made his caravan his primary residence, he became more elusive than ever. Now, considering what Jimmy Savile was known to get up to at the BBC studios, there were obvious implications as to what it meant to have him roaming around England unsupervised. Nobody at the BBC, however, even tried keeping tabs on Jimmy Savile. As long as he showed up where he was supposed to and kept delivering ratings. The BBC was criminally hands off when it came to their top presenter in

C (47:08)

the TV show, the Steve Coogan show that I'm watching on all this.

A (47:11)

They would.

C (47:12)

They would highlight Savile travels, but it would be like, I don't know how if this is true, or they dramatize this, but he would, like rape somebody and then interview them and put it on the show.

B (47:22)

Yeah.

A (47:23)

Oh, yeah, yeah.

C (47:23)

And they'd be like, oh, she sounds nervous. It's so cute, you know. But he. Truth is, he had just assaulted that person.

A (47:29)

Yeah.

C (47:29)

And then put it. Their voice all across the country.

A (47:32)

They legitimately just didn't want to get. We're going to see, too, which I'll bring up later on. There's a sense of. Which I'm finding, you know, we've seen it before, but it's. It's specifically noticeable here of the British police a little bit being like, ew.

B (47:49)

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

A (47:50)

There's a little bit of.

B (47:51)

There's a. Not a little bit of that. There's a lot of that.

C (47:54)

And their hats make them look like little penises.

A (47:57)

Right. It's like they. There is something about. We're going to see this with necrophilia, we're going to see this with pedophilia. There is a whole. There's a whole, like all the feelings. People don't do this vibe that they are trying to say that it's embarrassing to talk about, that these are crimes that are embarrassing and that you can't just like, kind of bandy all these things about and they just don't want to get involved.

B (48:23)

There's a paradox with the British people where they're at the same time, they're both disgusting and just a fucking filthy people. Yeah.

A (48:31)

Which I like that. I like that about.

B (48:33)

I love that. Makes me proud to be a British descent. But they're also. They don't like to talk about it.

A (48:39)

No. Like it's highly embarrassing and offending to talk about their, their sexual peccadillo.

B (48:44)

But they still do it.

A (48:45)

Yeah, they do.

B (48:46)

Yeah. Fred and Rose West. Now, when it comes to how.

A (48:49)

Give her a portion. I'll give it. I'll break it off a portion.

B (48:53)

Well, speaking of being British, when it comes to how Salvo got away with all this for so long, it's my personal opinion that the British concept of cheekiness plays a massive role here.

A (49:04)

That's also across the board. Dude. Just being fucking. We see America also. We took. We. We really define that.

B (49:11)

It's just a joke. Oh, yeah. People can wave off all manner of horrible things by calling it cheeky locker room talk, as it's been said here in America. Yeah. And Jimmy Savile figured out in the late 60s just how effective cheek could be in obfuscating his true goals. For example, in 1967, Jimmy Savile was invited to be the guest of honor at an event in the civil parish of Otley in Leeds. Savile was invited by the mayor himself, Ronnie Duncan. But Ronnie Duncan,

A (49:45)

you know what, he's Duncan.

B (49:49)

But Jimmy Savile agreed to this event under six conditions.

C (49:53)

That's a lot of conditions.

B (49:54)

But these conditions eventually became standard for most Jimmy Savile appearances. You might call it Jimmy Savile's rider.

C (50:00)

Yeah.

B (50:01)

First, Jimmy Savile's fee of £200 should be donated to a local Chance charity. Great.

C (50:06)

Nice.

B (50:06)

Second, Savile was to be given a tent in the local park where he would sleep every night.

A (50:11)

Okay.

B (50:12)

Third, Savile demanded a so called honor guard of six teenage girls to, quote, keep him safe at the campsite overnight.

A (50:20)

Can I just say, Can I just put my head in here? I do believe that that right there, that's an obvious no. I just feel like that that might be the reach.

C (50:34)

He wanted them all to have red flags and be waving them.

B (50:37)

Yeah. And he put it, and I think he purposefully put that as the third condition right in the middle. Fourth, Sal demanded a special tour of Otley Hospital. And a painting of the hospital had to be made and honorably presented to Jimmy Savile. And finally, Savile requested all the cigars and matches he desired along with an action tray.

A (50:57)

He's also quite A lover of fake awards and fake honoraries. That is one of his favorite things in the world is for people to give him things.

B (51:06)

The obvious standout on his writer is of course, the six girls. But while some of the council members in Otley were apprehensive when they heard this.

C (51:18)

We only have four extra girls.

A (51:22)

That is the sound of every British person. Person covering up crimes this entire. Obviously. Obviously.

B (51:36)

Well, Mayor Ronnie Duncan readily agreed to all of the conditions.

A (51:40)

You bet, Jimmy. Nothing I like better.

C (51:43)

Yeah, I could find you a couple

B (51:45)

extra girls because, you know, the appearance of Jimmy Savile at a civic event guaranteed record numbers. In fact, the six girls provided to Jimmy Savile as his honor guard were all daughters of local counselors and businessmen.

A (51:59)

And they're these fat. They're all do the same. They're all like, hey, can I have mortal.

B (52:03)

Yeah.

A (52:04)

Yeah, yeah. Now go kiss him.

B (52:06)

Yeah.

A (52:07)

Go kiss Mr. Savill. Yeah. All. Much of that is shit. How many times at Disney I was forced to kiss Aladdin?

B (52:13)

Do you real. What?

A (52:14)

Aladdin. Go give Aladdin a kiss.

C (52:16)

Go give Aladdin. Aladdin a kiss.

A (52:18)

Yeah.

B (52:18)

Why did you have to go give Aladdin a kiss out of everybody?

A (52:21)

Aladdin. Go give Aladdin. Go tell. Go tell Aladdin you love him.

C (52:23)

That was always me. I was. I kissed Smee.

B (52:27)

Smee is a wonderful.

C (52:28)

That's.

B (52:29)

Now Smee needs a kiss.

A (52:31)

A grateful kisser, a generous lover, as

B (52:37)

they say, Smee is. Decades later, one of those girls from Otley told her story. And it was just as harrowing as you could imagine. That night, Jimmy plied the girls with vodka, but stayed sober himself, as he always did. Then he quote unquote tried it on with each girl in the tent. Now, this woman refused to elaborate as to what tried it on meant, but she did call Savile a disgusting old man and a pervert. In addition, a group of boys from the local rugby club shot out Savile's lamps at the campsite with air rifles. So Jimmy lost it and got into an actual physical altercation with a bunch of teenagers. He's about 3940 at this point. As the witness put it, Savile was violent that night. Really nasty when he turned scary. And this amongst all the other stories we've told, is why we're pretty sure that Jimmy Savile probably killed someone at some point in his life.

C (53:34)

In his defense, a bunch of rugby teenagers. I mean, you just want to fight him. I mean,

B (53:42)

rugby club does inspire violence. Yes.

A (53:45)

Being a 40 year old man trying to attack me while I'm trying to have sex with these little girls in my van and you interrupt me getting a shellac, that's for certain.

C (53:57)

It's a scrummy thing to do.

A (53:58)

I got a lot of work going on.

B (54:03)

Concerning murder. Jimmy Savile may have simply gone too far on occasion and it accidentally killed someone. He may have ordered one of his many goons to kill someone who was inconvenient, convenient, or he may have just tried it on once or twice just to see what it felt like. At the very least, we do know that he is responsible for many deaths by suicide that came as a result of his actions. But as far as why he didn't cross the line into serial killing, I think it's because disposing of a body was far too much of a hassle. It's a guaranteed investigation. And Savile's guiding principle, remember, was to only do what he knew he could get away. Away with. But more than anything, I think Savile was sort of like David Parker Ray the Toy Box Killer. While Ray certainly committed a lot of murders, he also let a lot of women go because he, like Jimmy Savile, got a charge out of knowing that his victims had to live with what he had done. I think Jimmy Savile reveled in the trauma he caused. Just like he relished the memory of finding the severed hand after the Nazi bombing raid. He survived when he was a young boy.

A (55:09)

Well, you know, he was main concern was rape. And I think that he got enough of it to not have to worry about covering up his crimes. Like, in a way, I think that he, I think if he killed somebody, he killed another man. I think he probably killed another man or a child. Or a child accidentally because I actually think that weirdly, he's, he's too much of a, and this is a horrific statement, he's too much of a, to murder. Like, I don't think he's there to murder all the time. I think he's legitimately it. He would want his goons to do it. Yeah.

C (55:39)

He had people to do it for him. Why would he do it?

A (55:41)

Old Jim the Pill, whatever the Jim the Pill did.

B (55:46)

Yeah.

C (55:47)

Bad.

B (55:47)

Yeah, Yeah. I, I, I think that it's likely he murdered a child, you know, during one of those, you know, those, you know, the rings that he was in the 19, in the 60s, like.

C (55:57)

Yeah.

B (55:57)

They didn't just let those kids go.

A (55:59)

No, they did not.

C (55:59)

No.

B (56:00)

Now, Jimmy Savile had learned by this point that people would Let him do whatever he wanted, just so long as he was able to claim that it was all for chance charity. And so Jimmy Savile began demanding tours of local hospitals when he attended an event or when he was taping a segment for his BBC Radio 1 show, Savile's Travels. See, Jimmy Savile had discovered during his work at the Leeds General Infirmary that hospitals could provide him with a captive audience and a vulnerable victim pool. But this wasn't the only reason behind his tactical evolution. See, by the mid to late 60s, 60s, Jimmy's age was starting to show. Savile hit 40 years old in 1966, and his act wasn't quite as cute as it had once been in the eyes of many teenage girls.

A (56:45)

Yeah, because he's a fucking ghoul.

B (56:47)

Yeah. So to continue fulfilling his twisted desires, he pivoted to environments where his victims were confined to a bed, completely captive or easily manipulated. And so, by the end of the 60s, Jimmy Savile had crafted an image of himself as a champion for the sick and disabled. The consummate volunteer. Savile the social worker, they called him. He was a role model for Brits, young and old. But in reality, Jimmy Savile was, as one former victim put it simply, positioning himself to use the UK's National Health Service, hospitals and facilities as his own personal pedophile sweet shops.

A (57:22)

Gross. Marcus.

B (57:24)

I didn't say it.

A (57:25)

You're just.

C (57:25)

You didn't say it.

B (57:26)

Well, I didn't. I didn't originate. I didn't originate it originally.

C (57:31)

I never heard pedophile sweet shops before

B (57:33)

one of his former victims said it.

C (57:35)

Oh, okay. That.

B (57:35)

I just said that.

A (57:37)

Honestly, I.

B (57:37)

One former victim put it that way.

A (57:39)

Coming at sweet shops hard.

C (57:40)

Okay.

A (57:41)

And listen, it's not just pedophile. Sometimes it's big fat guys. We like sweet shops.

B (57:45)

I love sweet shops. It's just skinny guys love sweet shops.

A (57:48)

I know you do.

C (57:48)

I know you do. This puts like a whole new meaning to. You can't have your pudding until you have your meat.

B (57:53)

You can't have your pudding.

A (57:54)

Do you have your mate?

C (57:55)

That's. Now I'm, like, turned. I'm very upset.

A (57:59)

Hey, you did to yourself.

C (58:00)

Do you think that that's what they were talking about?

A (58:02)

No.

B (58:03)

Maybe.

C (58:04)

You know, pudding being.

A (58:06)

Pudding is a different in. In. Pudding is different in uk.

B (58:09)

Yeah.

A (58:09)

Pudding is a steamed dessert.

C (58:11)

Oh, I. I'm sorry. I forgot who I was with.

A (58:16)

It's not a calm allegory in uk.

B (58:19)

Yeah, yeah. It's a. It's more cakish.

A (58:21)

It's a cake. It's like a steamed bun.

C (58:23)

Yeah, well, now I want some.

B (58:27)

See, that's.

A (58:28)

I turned it right back around. Yeah.

B (58:29)

Next time. Next time. Next time we go to England, if they allow us in, we'll take you out for a great pudding. Oh, wow. Toffee. We'll get you some toffee. Toffee pudding.

C (58:39)

Toffee pudding.

B (58:40)

You're going to love it.

A (58:41)

You'll like it.

B (58:42)

Now, while Great Britain's NHS is largely funded from taxation and gives universal health care to every citizen, charitable fundraising to support the health services is a long and treasured British tradition. NHS fundraising covers things like amenities for patients and citizens, staff, medical research and the renovation and improvement of facilities. Jimmy Savile became a master at all three categories and his fundraising ranged from prizes for NHS staff at social events to the construction of entire buildings. So once the hospitals saw Jimmy Savile's value, he quickly built up goodwill. He'd start by pushing old ladies around in wheelchairs, making jokes and being cheap cheeky. But before long, Jimmy Savile would find himself in operating theaters, witnessing open heart surgeries as a guest of honor. But Jimmy's real purpose was to establish himself as such a constant presence that people would forget he was even there. And once he made himself a regular, he found that he could get away with damn near anything. As such, it was determined that while Savile was supposedly devoting his time and energy to helping people at NHS facilities, he sexually abused patients. Patients and staff at 34 hospitals, five mental health units, two children's hospitals, one ambulance service, one children's convalescent home and even a hospice.

A (60:11)

Saville's a horny guy. Now, this is what I find interesting too, is that of all of the places that you'd want, because I think that's. That, that's kind of a lot of what the sentiment was about Jimmy Savile, when he first started being, like, literally openly obsessed with coming to the hospital.

B (60:26)

Yeah.

A (60:27)

Where they were all like, this is not like, well, we do our best to make this a nice place. This is not a pleasant place to be. No, this is a hospital. And then the fact that, like, and we're dealing with sick kids, we're dealing with really sad stuff, we're dealing with stuff that's not cute. Right. We're dealing with all these things. And his insistence on showing up again and again made them all be like. It was more like a. It wasn't like a, oh, thanks, Jimmy. It was like a, oh, okay, Jimmy. If that's what you want. Yeah. We can get you a room.

B (60:58)

But that was the people at the hospital.

A (61:00)

Yes.

B (61:01)

Outside of the hospital, when people saw that, they. People thought, oh, my God, this place that I would never in a million years go. He likes it. He loves going there.

A (61:10)

That is the same as thinking Barry Manilow is not gay. You know what I mean? Like, nobody wants to go. Like, yes, it's wonderful. We. He's doing. Nobody wants to go to a children's hospital.

B (61:20)

Yeah. And to be there constantly, all the time. And I think there was also a little bit of transference with the British people where it's like, well, I don't have to feel guilty about not helping these people out because Jimmy Sav's doing it for me. He's doing it for me, so it makes me feel good.

A (61:34)

Man.

C (61:34)

I can't believe we went to hospices. That's crazy.

A (61:37)

Yeah, man. Those chicks are gross. That's what you're talking.

C (61:44)

I heard at the end of this tour, Baby Spice is going to have to change her name to Hospice Spice.

A (61:49)

Save it for the road.

B (61:52)

Hospice.

A (61:52)

Hospice.

B (61:55)

So it's a different spice, but again,

A (61:57)

I think it's nice when everyone's consensual and you have big titted nurses that are trained and you. And handsome nurses that are trained for people that are consenting to be around handsome and big titted nurses at the end of their life. And I think that that's why Host Spice is going to change the whole end of life game.

C (62:15)

What is the minimum cup size to be employed by Host Spice?

A (62:21)

See? Five inches as a man. Really? Yeah.

B (62:28)

Five with a C. I would get say more like a five and a half, Six.

A (62:32)

Trying to kind of open up. Trying to make more guys in there. Okay. It's really hard.

B (62:36)

All right. Yeah. Now, once Savile gained the trust of a hospital or a facility, he was often given key keys so he could come and go as he pleased. Cuz Jimmy Savile's a busy man. You never know when Jimmy Savile's going to show up. And in some cases, he was even given private quarters on the site. Quarters. Rooms that he kept for decades.

C (62:54)

I didn't know they had quarters in England.

B (62:58)

Rooms.

A (62:58)

See, this is the thing. We can't cater to every one of his ignorances.

C (63:03)

Okay.

A (63:04)

It's over there. They call it a boot. It's a flat. It's all fake.

C (63:08)

Fake.

B (63:09)

His own 50p. Yeah. 25p, they call it P. I call it.

A (63:17)

Thank you.

B (63:19)

But all the NHS institutions that Savile befouled. There were three that could be considered his favorites. In interviews, Savile often said that he got so much enjoyment from these institutes that he should actually be paying them to allow him in. He did these institutes. These institutes were the Duncroft approved School for Girls, the Stoke Mandeville national center for Spinal Injuries, in the infamous high security mental facility known as Broadmoor Hospital.

A (63:52)

Oh, all these destination vacation destinations. Places I want to go in the

B (63:58)

halls of these institutions. Jimmy Savile found the most vulnerable, docile and malleable people in England, and he abused them for decades.

A (64:07)

I feel like this is really where we're gonna see the heart of why he made it to the Mount Rushmore of evil.

B (64:13)

This is it.

A (64:14)

Yeah.

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B (68:18)

Rise from your grave now to get the full scope of Jimmy Savile's crimes, let's go through these institutions one by one, starting with a frequent subject here on Last podcast. I think it's the facility we've spoken about the most. Broadmoor Hospital.

A (68:33)

It's like Arkham Asylum, but with mushy peas.

B (68:38)

Built in 1868 as a criminal lunatic asylum, Broadmoor is a 53 acre facility built on a ridge overlooking the countryside in Berkshire. In 1949, its control was transferred to the Department of Health, who redesigned it as a special hospital that treated patients with mental illness and or dangerous, violent or criminal behavior. In other words, not everyone in Broadmoor is dangerous, but many patients were and are. The facility was overcrowded, understaffed and run like a prison until 1957. When a doctor came in to modernize Broadmoor. A little over 10 years later, Jimmy Savile showed up on Broadmoor's doorstep offering to help improve conditions and improve the facility's image. Now, Savile was drawn to Broadmoor by a patient. In 1968, a guy sent Jimmy Savile a fan letter containing a brazil nut set on a wooden plaque inscribed with the words Nutters Inc. Jimmy Savile.

A (69:37)

That's fun.

B (69:38)

It's fun.

A (69:38)

It is.

B (69:39)

And along with this ornament was a letter from the patient asking Savile if he'd hold an event at Broadmoor Hospital. If he did, the patient said that he would make Savile an honor. Honorary member of the Broadmoor Nutters Club. This is actually a real club organized by Broadmoor patients. So Savile wrote back saying he'd be happy to.

A (69:57)

Is it Broadmoor's Nutters Club? A bunch of like serial rapists and murderers?

B (70:01)

Like literally not all of them, no.

A (70:03)

Oh, good.

B (70:04)

No, that there's some. There is a part of the hospital. Yes. Is serial murders, rapists and pedophiles.

A (70:10)

Matter of the worst. The worst villains, the worst villain. Case history.

B (70:13)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know the, the west, you know Rose West, I believe was at Broadmoor.

A (70:17)

Oh, yeah.

B (70:17)

Myra Henley. Peter. Peter Sutcliffe. We'll talk about him next episode. Definitely.

A (70:23)

But yeah, they got to be friends.

B (70:25)

Yes, we'll talk about that next episode when we get into Jimmy Savage's adventures in the 80s.

A (70:29)

They were friends.

B (70:31)

Yes.

C (70:31)

I don't know who this is.

A (70:33)

The Yorkshire Ripper.

B (70:34)

Yeah.

C (70:34)

Oh, sounds like fine.

A (70:36)

You like him?

C (70:36)

Was he fat? He ripped pants. Is that what it is? Yep, I think he. Was he a big foreigner?

A (70:42)

Yeah, Yeah. No, he killed girls.

B (70:49)

Yeah, about 14 or so.

C (70:51)

14 year old girls or 14 girls?

B (70:54)

14 girls. I believe one of them was pretty young. Yeah. Interesting fact, the drummer from Joy Division was actually questioned as a possible suspect in the Yorkshire Ripper case because he drove a van that was very similar. Similar to Peter Sutcliff's.

C (71:09)

That's why they're so sad.

A (71:13)

Cuz that one guy couldn't stop dancing. Yeah.

B (71:17)

Well, the event at Broadmore, Jimmy Sav's first event at Broadmore. It was a huge success. And because Jimmy always had an instinct for opportunity, he immediately asked if he could stay later on in the evening to entertain the staff. And Jimmy Savile ended up sleeping on the premises.

C (71:34)

Which is just like disgust.

A (71:36)

It's just like you're gonna go and you like Broadmoor?

B (71:39)

Yeah. You know, the mental hospital. And Jimmy, well, I mean, there are some people who truly do enjoy this type of work, but it's work.

A (71:45)

But to, like, be like, oh, I'm staying overnight, you know what I mean? Like, oh, we're having a sleepover, y'. All. Like, yeah, that's a lot.

B (71:53)

Well, Jimmy established himself in Broadmoor literally overnight. And he quickly got to the business of turning Broadmoor into one of his many sexual plays, playgrounds where he would abuse the mentally ill for his own pleasure. Massavo was soon bestowed the title of Honorary Assistant Entertainments Officer at Broadmoor, and he was given unrestricted access to ward areas, even within the secure perimeter. He had all the same access as the head of the facility. Savile established a regular presence at Broadmoor by putting on concerts or disco nights every Thursday evening. And he was allowed unrestricted and unsupervised access to chat with whatever patient he wanted, anytime he wanted to do so. On the days that he would film an episode of Top of the Pops, Savile would immediately drive to Broadmoor after the taping. And in Broadmoor, in the TV room, he would watch the episode with Broadmoor psychiatric patients. Sometimes he'd even bring guests from Top of the Pops with him or dancers from the show. One time, the popular Go Go group Pans people. He brought them to Broadmoor once. Pans extraordinarily popular. Their Wikipedia page is so incredibly long. It's insane how much information there is about Pans people out there.

A (73:14)

All female dance troupe famous for their residency on the Top of the Pops. They were just. Oh, they were hot chicks.

B (73:20)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like taking the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. Cheerleaders to the mental hospital. Yeah.

C (73:25)

There's an extremely long Wikipedia page.

A (73:28)

Why? Why is it so long? How do they have so many credits?

C (73:32)

People love them.

B (73:33)

Yeah. British people get really obsessed about things like that.

A (73:36)

I get it.

B (73:36)

Well, once Savile established himself completely at Broadmoor, he began taking patients out for rides in his Rolls Royce, where he would, of course, sexually assault them, despite the fact that Broadmoor was a high security facility. Savile even snuck some of the younger patients out to see tapings of his TV shows. Those patients would, of course, be assaulted at BBC studios.

A (73:58)

He also had a specific ability, which I think goes with a lot of predators, where they can sniff out people that have been predated before. And that. That he. I think that's a lot of this, too, is the reason why he would also go into these spaces of people that have also either come from, they either have problems, come from institutionalized problems, come from family problems that he can do the thing where he can do the thing that pedophiles and predators do and say, this is me loving you.

B (74:25)

Yes. Yeah, he knew how to do it. And, and also he knew that he could just tell these people, patients like, we're not supposed to be doing this right now. We're not. You're not supposed to be outside of the facility. You're not supposed to, I'm sneaking you out. And so if they tell, then if they say, like, hey, this guy raped me. They would also be telling on themselves.

C (74:44)

Not just that, when they get back, the other patients there be like, yo, you're so lucky for going, perhaps.

A (74:49)

I got to say, I do wish I could have been driving when I was doing it, but I test the cars didn't come out yet with the self driving option.

B (75:01)

Now, Savile had total access to Broadmoor from 1968 until 2004. And while the Department of Health found only 11 allegations of sexual abuse reported by patients.

A (75:13)

So. Only 11.

B (75:14)

Only 11. But between 1968 and 2004, I mean, the real number is certainly triple, quadruple hundreds. Pop 10 times.

A (75:23)

10 times. It is like literally, he was doing it for decades with impunity as a group.

C (75:28)

Yeah. They wouldn't write it down when people would complain.

A (75:30)

Yeah.

B (75:31)

But for Savile, Broadmore wasn't just about his own physical gratification. He was also learning, teaching and commiserating with other men who shared his predilections. According to a psychiatric nurse who worked at Broadmoor for 30 years, the pedophile patients gravitated towards Jimmy Savile whenever he was there. And they often had long private conversations. It's almost like they had workshops.

A (75:58)

Dude, he, like, again, this is a thing that happens with pedophiles.

B (76:02)

Yeah, they just, they sense it and

A (76:04)

they get together and they, they strategize and then this is a thing that, like, they all said this is that they would find him. They'd be a. Jimmy Savile would go missing. Famous comedian, famous man in the world. And he's hanging out with a bunch of pedophiles around him in a circle, holding court. Holding court and talking to all them. Seriously, like, talking to them closer than he would talk to the, the patients and close to the staff.

C (76:30)

Yeah.

A (76:30)

And they're all like, like, but they

B (76:32)

don't go like, no, you know, actually, no, they wouldn't. Like the, the, the staff knew there was something wrong with him.

A (76:39)

Yeah. I mean, they. How could you not?

B (76:40)

Yeah, like the. The nurse that told that story. They said that they long considered Jimmy Savile, as did many of his colleagues, to be a man with a severe personality disorder and a man who had an obvious liking for children. But because Savile had char, because he was good press, no restrictions were ever put on Savile's visits. Because that's the thing, Savile's. He wasn't just assaulting patients, he was assaulting staff in these hospitals as well. Whenever. Whatever he could get away with. And the administration was always turning a blind eye.

C (77:16)

He was raising millions in the 60s and 70s for these places.

A (77:20)

Well, the thing is, is that once he's in, right, then he can do really whatever the fuck he wants. Because if they start coming, sniffing around in a investigating, guess who gets on the hook? Yeah, Jimmy Savile. The hospital. Yeah. So it's like the hospital goes on the hook, which is the thing that they do.

C (77:36)

Like, you gave him keys.

A (77:37)

Yeah, literally everybody's. He has now come in, he has polluted this place like a cancer and now you can't get him out.

B (77:46)

It's all about the complicity.

C (77:48)

He implicates everyone there.

B (77:49)

Yeah. And because of that, his access was truly unlimited at Broadmore. Until the 1980s, at this hospital, all female patients had to strip naked for their baths under staff supervision. Savl was not only invited to attend bath time, but he often did so while making inappropriate remarks about the patient's bodies.

A (78:10)

I guess he was allowed to be in there as long as he was in roast mode. Yeah, they're like. Well, as long as you're making fun of the mental heel, that's fine because we all trying to laugh as well.

C (78:20)

So do they bathe them closed now.

B (78:22)

No, no, they just don't make them undress in front of staff.

A (78:26)

Yeah, they don't wash them like a bunch of barn animals in front of everybody. Yeah, they decide they cut. You know, they're trying. They're trying.

C (78:32)

Eddie, what they do with all the hoses.

B (78:37)

Donate them to the local car wash.

A (78:39)

Yeah, dude, I hope they did. Yeah, I hope they did.

B (78:42)

But perhaps even worse than Jimmy's exploits at Broadmoor, which we'll explore further in the last episode, was what Jimmy Savile got up to at Broadmoor's sister, Rampton Psychiatric Hospital. Patients at Rampton were all mentally disabled, or in Jimmy Savile's parlance, subnormal. These patients were naturally drawn to Savile's clownish appearance and demeanor and While none of these patients reported abuse, I mean, most of them didn't even have the ability to express that they had suffered abuse. Several of the staff at Rampton confirmed that Savile had unlimited unsupervised access to Rampton patients for decades. Now, as if preying on the mentally ill and the mentally disabled wasn't bad enough, it's not the second.

A (79:28)

I'm still on Jimmy's side.

C (79:30)

Yeah, this is the Mount Rushmore email. We're going to evil. We're going to need to ramp this up, unfortunately. We're going to get ramped in this

A (79:36)

up a little bit.

B (79:37)

Well, the second of Jimmy's three favorite facilities was the National Spinal Injury center at Stoke Mandeville. Many of the patients there were paralyzed, either temporarily or permanently, and investigations found that Salvation Savill abused at least 63 people connected to Stoke Mandeville over the decades he spent there, although the real number, again, is certainly far, far, far higher. Savile wormed his way into stoke Mandeville in 1968 while making an episode of Savill's Travels. And even before he began taping the episode, he digitally penetrated a young patient's vagina after asking her to come sit in his lap. He got away with it. So Savile knew that he had found another playground. Stoke Mandeville is where Savile infamously volunteered as an overnight porter, transporting both the living and the dead in the middle of the night when no one else was watching. According to several staff, Savile was creepy and particularly loved taking bodies to the mortuary. Here, of course, is where we get into the necrophilia.

A (80:42)

Oh, yeah, we do.

B (80:44)

Now, Jimmy Savile gave an interview in the early 70s in which he revealed. Revealed why he loved working at hospitals and specifically why he loved working at the morgue. He said that he had an aptitude for dead people, that when he was holding somebody that just died, he was filled with tremendous love. Apparently the person doing the interview didn't ask him why the he was holding dead body.

A (81:07)

Yeah. How often are we holding this dead body? Like, how often is this happening? What's the scenario?

B (81:13)

When is it happening? Does that do the. Does their families know that you're holding these dead bodies?

C (81:19)

I usually just grab at them.

A (81:21)

Honestly, when I'm dealing with bodies, normally it's with pitchforks. And normally I'm kind of in the middle of like a cleaning up a war like situation. So normally when I'm handling dead bodies, I'm like, when is it going to be?

B (81:36)

5:00pm Yeah, I just like the lift and drop, you know, Lift up the hand, let it pop down. Lift up the hand, let it plop down again.

A (81:43)

Do you know that the BBC, they only have the. They have. This is the official count of victims from the BBC. It is 214.

B (81:52)

214.

A (81:52)

And that's the official count.

B (81:54)

The official count. And that's across every. That's at the BBC. That's all the hospitals that is.

A (81:59)

That is mentioned accusations.

B (82:02)

Wow.

A (82:03)

That is reported accusations. Damn.

B (82:06)

Well, Savile said that he was filled with envy when he was around a dead body because the dead had left behind all the problems. If somebody were to tell him tonight that he wouldn't wake up the next morning. Morning, he said it would fill him with tremendous joy. At times he claimed that he couldn't wait to die. And that's. For me, that's. It's such an interesting. It's such an interesting statement because it almost says that it's. On some level he knew that he was a monster, that he was an aberration. He knew that, like the world is going to be a better place when I'm not here anymore.

A (82:41)

But he also believes that in a way he was better than the rest of society. Like what you're seeing here is a true narcissist.

B (82:49)

And he also died with a smile on his face.

A (82:51)

Yes. And he. Because I think that this is the same connect. I feel that these are all the same as a multi, multi millionaire living in an RV on purpose. Right. Like, he is downgraded. He has no physical possessions. His clothing is one thing.

C (83:05)

Right.

A (83:06)

They would say he had clothing and he would get these types of stuff.

B (83:08)

And he had apartments throughout, like, you know. Yeah.

A (83:10)

But he was obsessed with appearing as this sort of like, I'm just a humdrum man of the people that just washes his underwear in the sink each night. I don't bring multiple pieces of underwear. He would wash his. His underwear each night. When he would go away, when he travel, he wouldn't bring any clothes. He would stink. He would do this whole thing.

B (83:30)

Fucking disgusting.

A (83:31)

And these things are all things I think, that are connected.

B (83:33)

Yeah.

A (83:34)

Weirdly enough. Because it's fake. It's this fake. Because in his mind, my call here is that when he's in the rv, he's like, I know life so much better than everybody else and I know that all life is about is rape and money and that's what I do.

B (83:53)

Yeah.

A (83:54)

And these guys are all losers for having families and lives and thoughts and emotion Everybody else is a fucking loser. Yeah.

C (84:03)

We all know that. No British people ever thought like that.

A (84:05)

No. No. Except for dear, dear, dear sweet Andrew. Dear, sweet, sweet Prince Andrew.

B (84:14)

But as far as what Savile really did with the Dead, a fellow BBC Radio 1 DJ named Paul Gambaccini claimed that Savile regularly visited hospital mortuaries to satiate his necrophilic urges, in addition to the abuse he was committing on the disabled and the sick. Because remember, like, Savile is an overnight porter. He's trying to transporting paralyzed people from room to room, and he's alone with them much of the time.

A (84:40)

And he would get. He would run to go get the. To take the bodies down to the morgue. And eventually they were like, you're not supposed to be doing this. And to the point where they were like, all right, fine, you can do it. Yeah, he was insisting on doing it. And then he also said that there was nothing like, like, he would go. He would joke about playing with the bodies as soon as, like, while they were still, still warm.

B (85:02)

Yeah.

A (85:02)

And I think that that is exactly what he did. Yeah, I think that he brought him down there and I think he get, like, he gave it a couple. A couple of honks and licks. Like, literally, he put Grandma down, he went Hong Kong, like, lick his a little bit. And then was like, ah.

C (85:20)

You know, that's how they start the entire show.

B (85:23)

Really?

C (85:24)

Yeah, it's just like him, like, hanging around the morgue too often. Yeah, that's how they start. That's how they kick off the entire thing.

A (85:30)

That's great. There's a lot of things we've covered on last podcast in left were like, oh, there's some exaggerations here. Oh, you know, we don't want. You can take this with a grain of salt. I think that Jimmy Savile, like, what we've been saying before, he's guilty of way more crimes than what's on the fucking paper.

B (85:47)

We have no idea.

A (85:48)

We have no idea. And I think that he absolutely was a necrophiliac. Necrophilia was not illegal in the UK until 2003, specifically as a crime. They viewed. They said that. So necrophilia was like. It had never been prosecuted ever in the UK before. So when this stuff was coming up with Jimmy Savile after the fact, after he died, and they were talking about necrophilia, they legitimately were like, yeah, sure, we have it on the docs and stuff, but necrophilia essentially doesn't happen in the uk. And I would argue it happens there the most. Yeah, I think it happens there the moment. Because they're all so pale.

C (86:25)

They look dead when they're alive.

B (86:27)

Really not much difference. I mean, I'm not going to start looking dead for like four days.

A (86:32)

Yeah, exactly, dude. So I feel like these guys are like. They just. It's icky. It was an icky crime and they didn't want to think. Another example of like, there is no way Jimmy Saville also was a necrophiliac.

B (86:45)

Well, it's the thing that this BBC Radio 1 DJ, he said that he convinced himself at the time that none of this was actually happening, the necrophilia wasn't actually happening because he did just. He truly said he didn't want to think about how gross it was.

A (87:01)

Why in the living fuck would he be in the morgue? Yeah, why would he be going to the morgue? Every single thing he did was about fucking something.

B (87:08)

Yes. So Savile continued satisfying his urges in increasingly disturbing ways by taking full advantage of good old fashioned British squeamishness.

A (87:22)

It could be.

C (87:23)

Oh, never.

A (87:25)

I never too. Cold breasts are warm. Breasts are supposed to be warm tea.

B (87:35)

Now, concerning the living. One of Savile's victims at Stoke Mandeville was a 13 year old girl named Caroline from Glasgow who was accosted in the middle of one of Jimmy's many fundraising drives at the hospital. And I think this, this incident tells you so much about Jimmy Savile. Tragically, Caroline had been paralyzed from the neck down after a car accident that occurred when she was very young. So Stoke Mandeville handled her care. This also is unfortunately what made her a target for Jimmy Savile's almost casual abuse. Caroline said that she was lying in her bed when Savile suddenly took her face in his hands, rammed his tongue down down her throat, then walked away as if nothing happened. Caroline did indeed tell her family, hey, Jimmy Savile stuck his tongue down my throat. But nobody believed her because nobody could accept that Jimmy Savile of all people had done something so horrible.

A (88:33)

But that's how casual it's been.

B (88:35)

I know that's casual, that's what I'm saying. It's just so casual.

A (88:38)

He probably thought it was a joke almost. No, not even. It's just that's what he does to people. It's like, oh, you're a lady there, right? You're laying in here, you.

B (88:46)

It's a 13 year old girl that's

A (88:48)

in his head, right? Jimmy's brain. You want to you want to me. All you guys want to me. Even though he's talking to invalids and 13 year old, he's walking around like he's Justin Bieber, acting like this is all. Like you guys are all my fans and not people that are like legitimately like dead bound.

B (89:05)

That's your example, Justin Bieber.

A (89:10)

I guess you gotta. Who's the new guy? Paul Anka.

B (89:13)

Yeah,

A (89:17)

singers, man.

C (89:18)

I feel like he thought that when he was abusing these people, like in his fucked up mind that he was like doing them a favor.

A (89:25)

Well, yeah, he will know it's that they were. They should be so lucky.

B (89:29)

Yeah.

A (89:29)

That he's there in the first place. You're lucky because I'm setting all this up. I'm gonna do whatever I want to you because you're as good as dead anyway.

B (89:35)

Now, while Stoke Mandeville and Broadmoor certainly provided Savile with a lot of of victims, there was no institution more plentiful nor more willing to give SAVL access than the Duncroft Approved School for Girls. And again, it's insane that people let a man like Jimmy Savile anywhere near this place. It's insane that they let a man anywhere near this place.

A (89:56)

Yeah, it's. Yeah, yeah, but. Yeah, right.

B (89:59)

Yeah, but Savo was considered for years to be a friend, an important patron to this institute, all while he abused countless, countless girls inside and outside its walls.

A (90:09)

Well, this was a very specific facility too because this is like. This isn't the other. Like the other ones were obviously between the invalids and the people in hospice and people. Spinal injuries facilities. Yes, but those were like legitimately bedbound patients. These are girls that have been sent here by moneyed people. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

B (90:31)

I mean founded in 1948 as an experiment in which psychotherapy was used used to correct behavioral defects in girls placed in its care.

A (90:39)

Which means cigarette smoking, kissing other girls, kissing a boy before they're married. Anything you just want to ship a girl away for because you don't like what she's doing in front of you. Fun stuff.

B (90:49)

Yeah. Duncroft started as something of a mix between a halfway house and a state prison for teenage girls. Owing to the British style of parenting that often left child rearing to institutions like boarding schools. It was thought that it would be better if vulnerable, damaged girls were looked after by. By the state. And Duncroft was considered to be the cutting edge of these types of so called approved schools. There was not however, any indication that Duncroft was anything but a punishment because the facility was Surrounded by eight foot tall walls which gave the whole facility a minimum security prison vibe. Now Duncroft was a relatively small institution. Out of the 300 girls sent to special schools in England each year, only 12 went to Duncroft because Duncroft was, was reserved for the upper crust. These were the daughters of ambassadors, surgeons, BBC executives. But none of these girls were sent to Duncroft for anything violent. Most were merely inconvenient or troublesome. Most were so called bad girls where the boys aren't. Yeah,

A (91:53)

I've seen some footage, I've seen documentaries about something.

B (91:56)

They were sent to Duncroft for running away from home, using drugs, having eating disorders, engaging in underage sex. In other words, these were girls who wanted to act older than them, their age. And that made them prime targets for a master manipulator like Jimmy Savile. Cuz that's what Jimmy Savile's game is at Duncroft, it's manipulation.

A (92:16)

Well now it's like the, it's almost the. Well, these girls, they kind of deserve it. Yeah, no, this is Jimmy Savile.

B (92:23)

That is his thinking. Yeah. Now the headmistress at Duncroft was a woman named Margaret Jones, who often threw garden parties at the Institute and liked to use the upper class connections of the Duncroft girls to bring her closer to celebrity and fame.

A (92:38)

She was a star.

B (92:38)

She was a star defined a string of minor royals and British actors none of us have ever heard of.

A (92:46)

Oh, what do you mean? Like Dundleby Bubble button and oh, I love Ripperton Gendelman. I love these guys. He played the teapot and the teapot goes to the Big Ben

C (92:59)

comedy.

A (92:59)

I love British people.

B (93:00)

Yeah, it's like Brian Broncroft and it's like, no idea.

A (93:05)

Another dead guy guy.

B (93:06)

Yeah, but these people were paraded through Duncroft during the years Margaret Jones ran the place. So when Jimmy Savile rolled up in his trademark Rolls Royce, he was simply another celebrity for Margaret to add to her collection. Later, Jones would claim that she was hoodwinked by Jimmy Savile, defending herself by saying, nobody ever complained about Jimmy Savile. Why would I even ask questions? He was led in so many other places. It's Jimmy's Savile, but from what it

A (93:33)

seems like, no, the guy's a fucking creep and he looks like it. He's like literally the creepiest fucker on the face of the fucking planet.

B (93:40)

Well, from what it seems like, Savile simply slotted himself into Duncroft's established systems and Margaret Jones either wasn't paying attention or she was too dazzled by Jimmy's celebrity status to care about what he was doing. See, the girls at Duncroft were basically controlled by cigarettes and records. Which doesn't sound like it would work, but I will admit that at certain times in my life, the only things that mattered to me in this entire world were cigarettes and records. And I would have done almost anything to get more of both.

C (94:15)

Now it's nicotine gum and records.

B (94:17)

Well, I'm on the patch now.

A (94:19)

He's got three patches. He's got some on his feet.

B (94:24)

I've been on Nicorette. It's only been like six years, you know, that's all.

A (94:29)

He's not addicted to. He's not addicted. No, he's cured. But he. You know what it is too is there's nothing to do all day. And it's prison rules. It's prison rules. Cuz that's like, you know, when you're in prison, that's the stuff you play for. You play for cigarettes, you play for sweet and low packets, and that's what you do.

B (94:44)

Well, it's not just that, but it's also, it's, it's addiction like that. They use the addiction to control these gord. It's using addiction and, and joy, you know. As far as how the girls at Duncroft were controlled by these twin sirens of cigarettes and records, their days revolved around cleaning the facility and working in the kitchen. And if they were well behaved and did all their assignments, they got 40 cigarettes a week that they could smoke in the commons room while listening to records.

A (95:10)

That's fun.

B (95:11)

But if the girls were ill tempered or didn't do their work, their cigarettes were taken away and they would be sentenced to solitary confinement in a silent padded room for an indeterminate amount of time.

C (95:22)

You know, and it's like that, you hear all the time, like people are like wrongly imprisoned. They start to like become like what people assume they are. Oh sure, you know, and it's like

A (95:31)

that, you know, oh no, they're being told they're bad kids and they're bad teenagers. So now like, that's why I think they're unfortunately like the perfect victims for Jimmy Savile.

B (95:41)

Yeah. When Jimmy Sav showed up at Duncroft in 1974, he immediately saw how to take advantage of this situation. He would arrive with armloads of candy, records and cigarettes, the currency of Duncroft. And he would be greeted by a of girls every time he showed up in his Rolls Royce. Like the patients at Broadmoor. Savile would take these girls out for rides in his Rolls Royce for sexual abuse and rape. But it was actually a former Duncroft girl who became the first person to come forward about Jimmy Savile's crimes, although this girl did so in a clandestine way. Her name was Kat Ward, and it was the online memoir that she wrote prior to Jimmy Savile's death that set reporters on the trail that led them to discover Savile's massive web of evil. Although Cat only referred to Savile as js, Now, Ward said that when Savile took her out on drives in his Rolls Royce, just like he did with dozens of other girls, Savile would grope her. He would then promise cigarettes, records and trips to the BBC, and in exchange, he demanded oral sex. When Cat finally did it, she gagged on his ejaculate. And as she was gagging, Savile leaned over to open her car door as if it was a rout. He was well used to saying, not in the car, not in the car, almost impatiently. This treatment favors like cigarettes or trips to tapings in exchange for oral sex came to be known as Jimmy Specials. And they were so common that Jimmy's Specials came to be a known phrase around the BBC. But if a girl didn't care about cigarettes or records, Jimmy had a far more insane, insidious tactic. He'd tell the girl that if she didn't give a Jimmy Special, he'd tell all the other girls that the one who'd refused had, quote, ruined it for everyone, thus threatening total social exclusion. So he knew how to get him no matter what.

A (97:37)

Yeah.

B (97:37)

Like he knew how to manipulate him.

A (97:39)

Oh, yeah, very much so, no matter what.

B (97:40)

And Cat Ward, and to your point earlier, like, Cat Ward said that Jimmy Salvo was the third man who abused her before she was 18 years old.

A (97:48)

Yes. And I also think that the reason why she even had the agency to even speak about it was because she actually came from some form of money, had some kind of, like, social backing. That's how she could even kind of even talk about it.

B (97:59)

Yeah, well, they talk about in the. I think it was in. In the book In Plain Sight, you know, they talk about how at the time, it would have sounded ridiculous, she would have sounded absolutely insane to say that Jimmy Savile had done this. But it was when. And even, like, online, when someone, like, when a reporter would read it, they'd like, when read it and be like, this doesn't make any sense. Like, what is, like, Jimmy Savile? What are you talking about?

A (98:26)

And then that would make him the biggest villain in, in UK history, you know, like.

B (98:30)

But then they started putting things together. You know, they started putting these little like all these things together and realized like, oh no, the story is true.

C (98:37)

Also, with his full access to these places, he's going around, he's talking to the staffers that like him. What's wrong with this girl? What's her past life?

A (98:45)

Oh, yeah, you know, like, oh, she

C (98:46)

was by four dudes and be like, oh, okay, that's a good target for me.

A (98:50)

I mean, I don't think the nurse should be that cavalier, but y. Yeah,

C (98:54)

yeah, but I do.

A (98:56)

Yeah, they. You know how that is. These girls always getting spit roasted. Anyways, I gotta go wipe some asses.

C (99:06)

I'm sorry.

A (99:07)

I'm sorry.

B (99:09)

But while Savo was obviously a monster, he did have somewhat of a girlfriend that he picked up at Leeds General Infirmary in 1968.

A (99:17)

He had to eventually.

B (99:18)

Yeah, well, I mean, but she was also a complete, total secret. It was always a secret. Her name was Sue Hims and she was 17 when the middle aged Jimmy Savile began. The closest thing he ever had to a relationship, according to Hims. Over the course of a few months, Savile would take her to cheap hotels for sex or various events with celebrities. Like when he took her to a photo shoot where Prince Charles was in attendance, Savile had his hand up the teenage girl's skirt the whole time. And. And apparently the man who is now King of England thought that Savile's antics were hilarious. But strangely, the friendship between Jimmy Savile and the future king is conspicuously missing from the young Prince Charles. Season of the Crown now available on Netflix.

A (100:03)

Oh, wow. Good work, Netflix. Oh, wow. Amazing. Well, I also think that she was just, let's say he was experimenting with like, maybe I could have somebody maybe. Yeah, maybe I could have somebody maybe. There's like, maybe there's a thing here where Jimmy Savile has a wife and they had a.

B (100:24)

Him and sue him had a weird relationship or she like moved to munich in like 1970. She got married in like 73. 70.

A (100:34)

He like, like molested her, right, like as a kid and then they got back together.

B (100:40)

Well, she got married and then she got divorced in like 1990. 91. And then they started dating again. But of course he treated her like the whole time he would tell people, like, oh, she's a homeless woman that I found. I found her at a shelter. And they just. But they would continue to see each Other. But she was one of those who's like. That was just Jimmy's way.

A (100:59)

Yeah.

C (101:00)

She's a different type of beard.

A (101:01)

Well, she's a. She's an enabler. And I'd probably go as far as to say.

B (101:06)

I wouldn't call her an enabler. No, I wouldn't say. Because she also a victim. Yes, he's.

A (101:10)

I see both. But then I think that unfortunately sometimes victims become enablers. Unfortunately. It's one of the worst parts about this type of. Is that you can convince somebody, you can rape them, then convince them. Oh, that was back in the day. It's over now. I'm having you here. You then help me. Always having you in the room helps me every time. That's why J. Lane was there. But he was in the same bush

B (101:33)

like Sue Hims was just like, he never told anyone, this is my girlfriend. He would just have her around and he would insult her and he times someone asked, who is this person?

A (101:41)

I think that's what he liked to do. Yeah.

C (101:43)

Also I think just Lane was there because she was also good with spreadsheets.

A (101:46)

Yes, you're right, she was. Epstein was not organized. We saw those emails.

B (101:53)

Now, since Jimmy Savile had developed such a stellar reputation as a philanthropist and a broadcaster by the end of the 1970s, the BBC gave him yet another show, Speakeasy, which was the first chat show ever aired on BBC Radio Radio 1. Over the course of this hour long program, Savo would talk about what he thought really mattered to the teenagers of the day, which was his area of expertise since he was indeed England's oldest teenager.

A (102:21)

You.

B (102:21)

But according to a researcher that worked on the show, a stream of underage girls flowed into Savill's caravan, which was parked just outside a BBC reception during Speak Easy tapings. Additionally, the co producer of religious broadcasting at the BBC, Reverend Johnson Son Lang, fully supported Jimmy Savile's access to kids.

C (102:41)

Marcus, please.

B (102:43)

Because Jimmy Savile had also done a lot of work with the Catholic Church.

C (102:48)

I will not say you want to talk about the BBC, fine. You want to talk about Broadmoor School, fine.

A (102:56)

You come to my church.

C (102:57)

You go for the Catholic.

A (102:59)

You go for my church. Yeah.

C (103:01)

The greatest church in all the world.

A (103:05)

God help us, man.

B (103:06)

And also, and don't forget everyone, there's only four or five more JK Ultra shows left in the store, Tulsa.

A (103:15)

So. Yeah. Yeah.

B (103:16)

Now, since Jimmy Savile seemingly couldn't miss when it came to entertainment, the government hired him to be a spokesperson for a massive campaign in the early 1970s, encouraging Brits to wear seat belts in cars. This resulted in a BBC series called Clown Clunk Click, which ran for eight weeks and became a surprise smash hit.

A (103:37)

We just started doing stuff in the wrong time period, man. Just used to be easier, dude.

C (103:42)

I got a whole show about seat belts.

A (103:46)

Oh, let me see. What was that? Is that child stuck in penis? Get her out of here. She's a. I need you out there

C (103:53)

showing me how to put a seat belt on.

B (103:56)

Well, Clunk click was so successful that Jimmy Savile's name became synonymous with the

A (104:00)

first phrase Clunk Click every trip.

B (104:03)

Clunk click every trip. The clunk is closing the car door. Click is putting the seat belt on. And PSAs.

A (104:10)

Oh, that clunk was punching your wife. Click was loading the gun.

C (104:15)

The American every place, click it. And ticket.

A (104:19)

I'm sorry.

B (104:22)

PSAs featuring Savile were just as insane and violent as what we've come to expect from all PSAs outside of America. Man, I don't know what it is about the British and the Australians and the New Zealanders, but, man, you guys do PSAs, right?

A (104:37)

Brutal. That one we just watched where the guy gets his face sprayed by the steam, and then he cuts back and he's like. And it's like, face is melting off of steam, y'. All. Steam's not just for Bow.

B (104:55)

But the reason why we bring up Clunk click, it's not just because it's really fucking stupid.

C (105:01)

Every trip, Clunk click sounds like a bunch of fat kids who, like, form their own group.

A (105:07)

Where's the Click Click to eat you hot dog. You know who the.

B (105:19)

Do I smell an all you can

A (105:20)

eat buffy somewhere around here? Sadly, I think they would be completely safe from Jimmy Sable. What? Don't you want to take us to the Rolls Royce?

B (105:31)

I just love it. You know, all you can eat is easily my favorite song from Crush Grove. Oh, wow. Oh, you can eat. It's just a whole song by the fat boys about them going to Sbaro and they just rap about how much they love to eat and how much and how great it is to Sbaro as all you can eat buffet.

A (105:47)

We used to be a country, but

B (105:50)

the reason why we bring up clunk click is because one episode featured the great beast of glam, the terror of Vietnam. The man who soundtracked almost sporting event in the western world for decades on end. I'm speaking, of course, about Gary Glitter now, while Gary Glitter is known in America for just one song.

A (106:15)

Hey,

C (106:18)

it's unfortunately great.

B (106:19)

Yeah, it really is.

A (106:21)

Just Makes me want to have sex with a child. I love that song.

B (106:25)

Actually, that's how I got into like my first band is like me and my cousin were really high and like just one night, you know, go started going,

A (106:37)

hey,

C (106:40)

hey.

B (106:42)

And then we had such fun. They were like, we should start writing songs. And then we ended up being, you know, we started Hugs a bunch of freeloaders.

C (106:50)

Don't forget Gary Glitter's other big hit, do you want to touch?

A (106:54)

Yeah.

B (106:54)

Do you want to touch?

A (106:56)

Yeah. Do you want to touch now?

B (106:59)

Yeah. He was a massively popular artist in the UK during the 1970s. He was huge. And he was also, as far as we know, the only musician that Jimmy Savile fully brought into his circle of evil.

A (107:13)

Oh, good for G. We.

B (107:14)

Yeah. See while Gary Glitter is better known for his 1997 arrest for child pornography and the years long odyssey of perversion across Southeast Asia that came afterward. He'd been abusing girls in the years UK since at least the 1970s, often with Jimmy Savile and often in plain sight. In one episode of Clunk Click, for example, Gary Glitter was invited by Jimmy Savile to sit down between two teenage girls sitting on beanbag chairs. Glitter settled between them and said, I'll get two. And to this Savile replied, yes, you get two. I should be giving girls away. Savile and Glitter then proceeded, proceeded to grip and embrace these girls on camera, all while the girls looked obviously and incredibly uncomfortable. As it turned out, these girls were actually taken from Duncroft and they were there on the permission of the headmistress. Each girl had been offered cash to sit on the beanbags with Gary and Jimmy. And that's a pedophile duo if I ever heard one. Gary and Jimmy.

A (108:17)

You know what would be cool with that too? If I was a pedophile. Pedophile. Like I'd be so nervous meeting them, you know, like it's like one of those where I'd be like, oh my God. They say never meet your heroes. I wonder what's going to be like meeting Gary and Jimmy. I wonder what they're going to be like. I hope that they like me.

C (108:33)

Well, apparently Gary Glitter is about to die finally in prison.

B (108:37)

Yeah, yeah, he's on his deathbed right now actually. Is he in Broadmoor? No, he's. No, he's just in one of the prisons.

A (108:44)

Yeah.

B (108:44)

Reportedly Jimmy Savile gave the girls cash to be on camera with him and Gary, but he took the cash, cash back after the show's taping. And what Was far worse is after Savile took back the cash, the girls were taken to Sav's dressing room where they were given alcohol and passed between Gary and Jimmy, all on BBC property. Now, things were obviously getting, let's just

C (109:07)

say, is it wrong that I'm like mad about the cash? Yeah, I am like, I, like I, I'm just like, it's real, it's

A (109:15)

money.

B (109:15)

That's just the entertainer in you.

A (109:18)

That's what that is.

B (109:19)

You know, you just know how you know what that feels like.

C (109:21)

Yeah, man.

B (109:22)

Now, things were obviously getting, let's say, out of hand at the BBC. And while investigators got close to Jimmy Savile, they still missed the mark time after time. And that was often because the BBC would not let investigators get close to Jimmy Savile. When a 15 year old dancer on Top of the Pops died by suicide from example, her diary revealed that she had not only been groomed by multiple BBC employees, but had also been plied with drugs before having horrific sexual encounters with a certain BBC Radio 1 DJ. What she wrote was so bad that people refused to print it. The suicide and the diary led to an investigation. But even though Jimmy Savile was not named as the DJ in the diary, the victim's half brother, indeed, indeed confirmed that Savile was their man. Savile, of course, refused to cooperate in the investigation in any way whatsoever. Because Jimmy Savile was also learning that when got serious, stonewalling was an extremely effective last line of defense. If you listen to any of it, like cops did eventually, at one time, talk Trump.

A (110:32)

That's what they do. Nope. Yeah, nope, nope.

B (110:34)

They just say, nope, absolutely not. Never happened, Never happened. That was always in getting mad about

A (110:40)

it, never backed down, never admit a fault once, never say I'm sorry one time. If you say I'm sorry once, the whole thing comes down.

C (110:51)

That's how women get the brain damage. That's what he would do.

B (110:54)

Yeah. But while the investigation did reveal that exploitation of underage girls was happening at the BBC, no one was arrested and no changes were made to policy. In fact, the BBC invented stories to discredit the victim instead, making her seem unstable and willing to do anything to be famous.

A (111:13)

I think that was the diary where she talked about how he smelled. Yeah, that was the one thing about how the smell of him made her gag. That when he took off his pants, the smell of his, of his crotch was so overwhelming.

B (111:26)

Yeah, well, and that was also a part of his game. He, he was wanted to make it as bad as Possible he. He knew that it was even more of a punishment.

C (111:36)

God, I just, you know, it's so hard to, like, be like, I wish she would have just written his name. But that's also just an awful thing.

A (111:42)

It's a whole thing. It's hard. It's extremely hard. You don't want your life destroyed as a victim. You get your life destroyed.

C (111:48)

She committed suicide.

A (111:49)

Yes. And that's what happened. Yep.

B (111:51)

Now, Savile did make a statement in the wake of the dancer suicide, but it was only to say that the halls of the BBC were free of seductions, free of drug taking. Savile, however, also took the opportunity, and this was another one of Savile's big tricks, to admit to a little wrongdoing to distract from his far larger crime.

A (112:08)

Yeah, limited hangout.

B (112:10)

He would say, sure, he had sex with lots of teenage girls, but he always made sure that they were above the age of 16. And he always made sure he's checking IDs, always.

C (112:19)

Yeah, well, the cops that are in the room at the time are checking the.

A (112:21)

Always checking IDs.

B (112:23)

And he always made sure to visit the homes of these girls and become friends with the parents of the girls he had sex with.

A (112:30)

Death.

B (112:30)

Like, you know how that. You guys remember that, right?

A (112:33)

Yes.

B (112:33)

Like, you know when every time I

A (112:34)

hooked up with a girl, I would go and look for her family on social media and I sent a message to her mother or father and say, oh, my God, I was just inside your daughter. I wonder what you're like. Yeah, yeah, you know, what's your. What's your deal?

B (112:50)

Yeah, which do you like, Scotch or like anything like that? Like, what's your, your. Like, what's your dream? Blunt Rotation.

A (113:01)

Hey, listen, I was just inside your daughter. My main question is, what's your Desert island album?

B (113:08)

And he was our age when he was doing this.

A (113:11)

Oh, I know.

B (113:12)

He was openly justifying this behavior to the press as a 43, 44 year old man.

A (113:17)

And they just sat and chuckled.

B (113:19)

But in some cases, Savo was at least telling something of a half truth. According to one of Savile's drivers, Jimmy once took six teenage girls into his caravan and all six stayed the night. The next morning, one of the girl's parents were out waiting outside the caravan for Jimmy. But Savile was able to charm the parents so easily with his fame and his oddly disarming manner that they invited him back to their home for breakfast.

A (113:46)

This is where good old fashioned, American, real, like, this is the only time I missed this I feel like you do this in Alabama and you just getting the guy rolls up to get you out of the caravan. I could see something. I could see going another way actually.

B (114:01)

In Alabama, it's far more likely to go the pedophiles way.

C (114:05)

Yeah, absolutely.

B (114:06)

Remember the whole.

C (114:07)

Remember Jeff Sessions? Remember that guy? He was the Attorney General of Alabama.

A (114:11)

Silver lining.

B (114:13)

In Texas. Growing up, most of the girls that I went to high school with dated men in their 20s, 30s, sometimes in their 40s, and it was seen as normal. Some of the even get married.

A (114:24)

Desperate. I'm desperate for happiness. Desperate for happiness.

B (114:27)

I will say, if happiness is what you want, the American south ain't the place to look for it.

C (114:32)

You're right.

A (114:33)

Honestly, I forgot. Yeah.

B (114:36)

Well, this obfuscation, however, was what Savile was best at. He would change the context of anything, saying that the girls were of legal age and that the parents knew and approved. And if he had done something true, truly awful, then surely the media would have reported it and ended his career by this point.

A (114:54)

He's literally doing the narcissist prayer. Yeah.

B (114:56)

And by the 1970s, people felt like they knew Jimmy. He'd been such a presence on their TV and their radios that they couldn't bring themselves to suspect him of any wrongdoing. Even after countless young women and teenage girls reported assaults.

A (115:10)

God, what does that sound like? Yeah, some sort of modern comparison.

B (115:22)

Modern comparison could end in the deaths

A (115:24)

of all of us.

B (115:26)

I don't know.

C (115:26)

It's like a guy with crazy hair. He's always around young girl, he talks

A (115:31)

about, he brags about how much he's raped. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (115:34)

Really put himself into positions where young girls were around.

A (115:38)

It's been a part of the fabric of Media for 50 years and it's literally been named in almost like in every single piece of media for the last 30 years.

B (115:46)

Think of it.

C (115:47)

We'll like.

B (115:51)

Well, when you added all of that to his ever present charity work that was constantly being reported on the news, you know, Jimmy sav at it again. It was more than enough for the British people to give free reign to the most dangerous sexual monster the island ever produced. Now, Jimmy Savile was not the only person in a position of power who was getting away with crimes simply because the British people couldn't bear to face what was obviously happening right in front of them. See, during one of Jimmy's many trips to Rampton Psychiatric Hospital, that's the one that treated the mentally disabled, Savile took 10 patients for a tour of the beaches and More importantly, the ice cream shops of Scarborough. Savile and his guests were welcomed by the Lord Mayor of Scarborough, Peter Giaconelli, who was another one of the United States, United Kingdom's great sexual monsters. Peter Giaconelli had lived in Yorkshire since the age of seven. But while it was his dream to become an opera singer, he eventually became the 300 pound owner of a successful chain of ice cream shops and restaurants.

A (116:57)

That's the fucking dream, y'. All.

B (116:59)

Yeah. Parlayed that, parlayed that into a mayorship.

A (117:01)

Big fat guy run a bunch of ice cream stores and your mayor. Yeah, it's fucking. I'm done.

B (117:07)

Such was. And that's the thing. He also trained as an opera singer for a long time. So he has a party trick. Well, such was Jack and Ellie's girth that he actually earned a Guinness record for eating 512 oysters in 48 minutes.

A (117:22)

Stop making me laugh, guy.

C (117:25)

So far, he literally is the walrus from Elson.

B (117:37)

He was just as massive and gross as he was dangerous. And he and Savile were close friends.

A (117:44)

This is where we're starting to see pedophile nodes meet. Yeah, like that's like, that's kind of like. What I start to understand is that he's starting to meet other big fish.

B (117:54)

Yeah.

A (117:55)

That are in his game.

B (117:56)

And because he's constantly traveling, like he's not connected directly to any of them. Jimmy Sav's like, he's like the guy that shows up at the party every once in a while. Like, hey, Jimmy's in town.

A (118:06)

Yes. Unannounced, he comes through. That's when pops off for with him. But then I have my own game over here.

B (118:12)

Jimmy had met Mayor Jack and Ellie during an episode of Savill's Travels, when Jimmy covered a judo club that Jack and Ellie had founded in Scarborough. This club attracted a lot of young boys who later said that Jack and Alli spent most of the judges judo sessions practicing groin holds on each and every student.

A (118:29)

Come closer, come closer. It's time for me to give you the code.

B (118:36)

And so between the ice cream shops and the judo.

A (118:41)

Yes.

B (118:42)

300 pound man. Oyster. Yeah. Come on.

A (118:45)

Try to see if you could smell the sea on my breath.

C (118:48)

Yeah. A lot of farts in that room.

B (118:53)

Too much iced cream.

A (118:55)

Oh, my God, I'm having a quinine seizure. So much quinine.

B (119:02)

Well, between the ice cream shops and the judo, Mayor Gianli had access to a lot of young boys. And these young boys often attended something called the club, which was of course a front for sex parties involving young kids of both sexes. Amongst the men members of the club was Jimmy Savile and many others of the same persuasion. Jack and Ali was never arrested nor investigated. But like Saville, his reputation as a predatory pedophile who preyed on local children, it only came out after his death in 1999. This was after he had served as Scarborough's mayor for 30 years. It's like if Pennywise was your mayor,

A (119:42)

dude, I think that I'm. Jimmy Saville is Pennywise. Yeah, he's Pennywise was. In my mind, he. When he. I can't believe there's no Jimmy Savile ghosts.

B (119:49)

Yeah. Well, as a man in a position of power, Jackanelli regularly made other politicians and police officers complicit in his crimes, and he therefore never faced investigation.

A (120:00)

Never mind all the clunk clicks that are over there trying to enjoy the ice cream. All these clunk clicks are there. They're obviously gumming up the scene because they're actually eating ice cream. And no one's happy about that because no one thought, this is all going to be about ice cream. But they're still in there.

C (120:15)

Can I get another sample?

A (120:18)

Like, listen, you're getting too big for me to want to have all you can eat.

C (120:22)

It's all you should eat, but let's

A (120:24)

just say I'm a bit of a clunk click, okay?

C (120:26)

And I don't have a.

A (120:27)

Kind of like, it just goes right through. You invited the clunk click to the ice cream party. The clunk click finishes the ice cream party. Now, you hand over that Cherry Garcia before we set this place on fire, all right? I'll suck come out of Jimmy Savile and I'll spit it in your mouth if you don't give me that ice

C (120:46)

cream right the now, okay?

A (120:48)

I'm. I'm mayor of the Clunk Click.

B (120:52)

Old boys rim learned the pleasures of ice cream are nothing compared to the pleasures of an oyster.

A (120:59)

Listen, I know. We all know.

B (121:01)

We all know.

A (121:02)

We had oysters already.

C (121:03)

We had oysters this morning. Oysters for breakfast,

B (121:10)

oysters for supper. For dinner. Well, Jack and Ellie, even when Jimmy Savile fed mentally disabled patients from Rampton Hospital directly into Giacinelli's sexual meat grinder, nothing happened. Nobody noticed. Jimmy Savile was effectively unstoppable by the 1970s. Even though several journalists reportedly had dirt on Savile sexual. Sexual crimes, none of those reporters planned to publish. Because of Savile's popularity and because of the work he did for charity, no one was going to believe them. And then in 1973, Jimmy Savile got a massive amount of public sympathy when his mother, the Duchess, finally reached the end of her miserable life.

A (121:55)

That was when Van Helsing finally found them.

C (121:57)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (121:58)

He drove a stake into her very heart.

C (122:01)

Do you think she was cremated in the Duchess oven?

B (122:06)

Infamously, Jimmy Savile did not leave her body for five entire days after her death.

C (122:11)

That's because he was inside of her. Yeah, because they were. Yeah.

A (122:15)

Is that what it was? That's what it was.

B (122:18)

And later he said the time he spent with his mother's corpse, best five days of his life.

A (122:23)

To be honest, I think that we all talk about him like her. I actually think he was, like, yelling at her and punching her in the face.

B (122:29)

And now there's footage of it. He's just sitting there, there staring at her. He just. He. It's. And she's. She was left in repose in a Catholic church, and he's just sitting there, just. He just stared at her.

C (122:40)

Was five days, wasn't he, caught on camera apologizing to her for what he had done?

B (122:47)

I think so, yeah.

C (122:48)

There was something like that.

A (122:49)

But he gave her lots of little kisses.

B (122:51)

Yeah. He said that she looked marvelous in her casket, that she belonged to him and him only during those five days, that death was a wonderful thing.

A (123:00)

Those are all direct quotes, you know, it's nice. You know how you want it? Where do you. Where do you want to bring your mother's corpse?

B (123:06)

Where do I want to bring it?

A (123:07)

Yeah, dude, really relax with it.

B (123:09)

I don't want to bring it anywhere.

A (123:10)

I mean, I can't just do it at the hospital. That's not relaxing.

B (123:13)

No, that's not relaxing.

A (123:14)

The church is not relaxing.

B (123:15)

No, it's really not. I don't know, man.

A (123:17)

I bring my mom to the movie theater.

C (123:21)

That would be nice. Finally watch a movie.

A (123:29)

It's a little dude here. Yeah, that's a little guy humor. Like, something for the guys.

B (123:38)

Later, when people brought up how disturbing his statements about his mother's death were, in hindsight, Jimmy Savile changed his tune. He said, now, actually, he waited five days to bury her because the ground was too frozen to take a grave. Jimmy Savile, however, kept the Duchess's room exactly as it was for decades afterward. And he had her clothes dry cleaned with once a year for the rest of his life. This, of course, puts Savile in the same playpen as our dear Ed Gein. And yes, I do know that Jimmy Savile is never proven to have killed anyone, but that's the third serial killer I have compared him to.

A (124:16)

Oh, yeah.

B (124:17)

And if a man can be compared to several serial killers, then that makes a pretty good argument for his inclusion on the Mount Rushmore of evil.

A (124:25)

You never want to remind anybody of

C (124:26)

a serial killer killer, but this is very. A few and several, don't you?

A (124:33)

I am not doing this here. I'm not doing this today.

B (124:36)

I thought about this. It's just like, linguistically, few didn't really work in the sentence.

A (124:44)

Yeah.

B (124:44)

If a man could be compared to a few serial killers, that sounds kind of casual, you know, like a few, but several hold weight. Several. Several is a word that. That, you know, we need. Need a little bit of oomph.

C (124:55)

We can all be compared to a few serial killers.

A (124:59)

One or two, you know, but the Jimmy Savile, that's a couple. God, you. This. But when he did the Louis Theo series, we see this.

B (125:09)

Yeah.

A (125:10)

He showed it like, he shows. He shows him in his mother's room. But it is why that that interview was so important, is that you also see Jimmy Savile being like, why are you in here?

B (125:21)

Yeah.

A (125:22)

And being like, I. I want you to look at this for a second. We don't need to stay in here. And then Louis the like, no, why is it like this? And you see him try to control it. Look at the cameras, know that he's on camera and he can't do anything about it. And he's just like, it's a memorial. It's a memorial. Like, he's, like, trying to act like it's, like, not strange.

C (125:40)

He was combative at every turn in that interview, and he still convinced Thoreau somehow.

A (125:46)

Well, no, with Thoreau, I think that it's just because Thoreau was just. He could not fully say, like, afterwards. Now, Thoreau saying, it's the worst man he's ever met. But he was saying that when he was dealing with him, this was before all the accusations had. I mean, obviously it was. There were some.

C (126:00)

He asked.

A (126:02)

He asked him. And I think that he was just trying to be like, in his way, he was investigating weirdos to the time. He was just like, oh, he could just be an absolute impenetrable weirdo.

C (126:14)

Because that's what you want to believe.

B (126:15)

Of course.

A (126:16)

Yeah.

B (126:16)

Because I think. Didn't Thoreau say the like that Jimmy Savile was one of his heroes?

A (126:19)

Yes.

B (126:20)

Yeah. He looked up to him. He wanted him. Even Louis. Even fucking Louis Theroux wanted him to Be a good man.

A (126:26)

He was excited to meet him.

C (126:28)

Yeah.

B (126:29)

But once Jimmy Savile's grieving period was over, he was more popular than ever. And after the wild success of the eight episode Long Seat Belt Safety show, clunk, click. The BBC offered Jimmy Savile an ongoing show all his own. Just after the death of his mother, Savile took a meeting with a BBC executive who said that Savile had been fixing things for people all his life. That's all he does, talking, talking about his charity work. So why don't they try a program where Savile fixes things for people on film? Without a pause, Jimmy Savile agreed to do the show saying, we'll call it Jim Will Fix It. Jim apostrophe double L. As Savile put it in the meeting, the double L made the title quote come easily off the tongue. And it's with Jim Will Fix It Savile's numerous connections to the British Royal family and his long deserved death that we will return next week for the conclusion to this series that is finished. This, you know, though, it's fascinating. Absolutely. It is incredibly fascinating.

A (127:36)

It is really hard. Like it's hard, it feels like really waiting in a villain's mentality because like when we were doing Himmler, like there's something about the history of it that allows me to sort of like separate myself a little bit. Like just kind of the grand nature of it all these fucking horrific machinations, the unspeakable atrocities of the Nazis allow you to sort of like view it more as like an observer of history where this is just like the reason why it keeps coming up for me is just because of how many of these fucks I have run into in my life and how many times I have met people that are supposedly supposed to be important, people that are supposed to run thing aspects of my life. And then you're looking at the face that, you know, you're looking at a creep and you are bald faced, locked into dealing with the creep because they deal. They literally suck at the very marrow of your dreams. They literally go to the people that have their like beside like talk about vulnerable, like that's the other vulnerable stuff. Like people that are just like come to LA to be like I want to be on television. And then they are just like sucked into a machine that destroys their very soul.

B (128:47)

Oh yeah, that's why we go DI DIY never had to deal with anybody.

C (128:51)

Nah, it's very nice.

A (128:52)

I don't got. We don't got a boss except for sweet father time.

B (128:57)

Yes.

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You don't need to come to my room in order to sleep with me. You just need to get a big old picture bill and you print it out.

C (130:22)

You put it on your pillow.

A (130:26)

Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm going to do?

B (130:27)

Yeah.

A (130:28)

I'm just trying to.

C (130:30)

Not as funny this time.

A (130:31)

No, it's not just something for me.

B (130:35)

Yeah, no, it's my pain. Give her. Give your sign off. Go ahead. He'll say, yeah, now gain.

C (130:45)

Fuck hell.

A (130:48)

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C (130:52)

Sure.

B (130:53)

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C (130:54)

Yeah. Because she tried to get all the landmines.

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Spice Girls.

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Spice Girls are great.

A (131:00)

Great.

C (131:00)

You know what I gave a lot of to Baby Spice. I think she's lovely.

B (131:04)

Yeah.

A (131:04)

I think we don't know her personally, but.

C (131:06)

I don't know her personally, but I like her. I like the cut of her chip.

A (131:10)

So do I. So was that your spice?

C (131:12)

My spice?

B (131:13)

Yeah.

A (131:13)

What was your spice? Which one did you like most?

C (131:16)

I was an Old Bay guy. No, I actually didn't like any of them.

A (131:19)

You don't like any of them?

C (131:20)

No, I wasn't a fan. I. I couldn't stand the Spice girls.

A (131:23)

I like Ginger Spice.

C (131:24)

I liked Natalie Imbruglia.

A (131:26)

Nah. Very nice. That was just thinking about it. Makes me torn you pieces of you Scary Spice. Yeah, of course.

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Definitely. We know. Yeah. There was no Bony Spice.

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