Unbelievably Friendly Organisms: Jenna Haze

Summary

Last Podcast On The Left: "Unbelievably Friendly Organisms: Jenna Haze" (September 22, 2025)

Guest: Jenna Haze
Hosts: The Last Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This lively episode delves into the strange intersections of UFO lore, spiritual experiences, and the realities of living in the public eye, all anchored by a dynamic conversation with Jenna Haze—a former adult entertainment icon turned psychotherapist. The hosts and Jenna discuss the upcoming sci-fi comedy film Unbelievably Friendly Organisms, alien abductions, spiritual anomalies, personal transformation, mental health, and ethical debates about cloning and AI. Jenna weaves together her journey from adult film star to therapist, providing nuanced, first-hand insights into both cultures.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Introducing Unbelievably Friendly Organisms and Jenna Haze

• Plot of the Movie: A satirical take on UFO abduction stories, where the abductee frames his traumatic experience as a "blessing," only for the dark truth to surface—a baby is stolen in a "very bad way."
  • [01:13–02:47]
• Why Jenna: The hosts picked Jenna for her blend of "icon" status in adult films and real-world mental health expertise.
• Jenna’s Credentials:
  • Now a psychotherapist and crisis counselor with a master’s degree, working toward a doctorate.
    • Jenna: “I’m technically a psychotherapist now and a crisis counselor.” [02:47]

2. Jenna’s Views on UFOs and Anomalous Experiences

• UFO Disclosure: Jenna’s a lifelong believer, finding recent government disclosures more of a “duh” moment and a political distraction than a revelation.
  • Jenna: "For us to think that we are the only intelligent species ... is incredibly arrogant. Right?" [04:43]
• Spiritual Encounters (Not Aliens):
  • Story of grandfather’s death and unexplained jingling keys
  • Vivid dream of her mother after she passed
  • Both events reinforced her openness to “paranormal stuff”
  • [05:59–08:03]
• On Folklore & Continuity of Anomalous Events: Hosts reference Jacques Vallée’s theory equating fairy and alien tales as repeating motifs in human consciousness.
  • [08:03–08:51]

3. Fantasy, Subculture, and Identity

• Jenna’s Gothic and Fantasy Interests:
  • Collects fairy art, loves alien/horror genres
  • Partial to books like Anne Rice and Laurel K. Hamilton over popular viral fantasy (“A Court of Thorns and Roses”)
    • Jenna: “I'm a kind of honorary goth, I guess ... wear black predominantly.” [10:08]

4. Modern Ufology and Video Evidence

• Discussion of Recent UFO Footage: Hosts show Jenna government-released video of a UFO over Yemen that shrugs off a missile strike; skepticism due to prevalence of AI fakery.
  • [14:02–15:01]
  • Jenna: “This is the days of AI so it's hard to know what is real and what is not real anymore.” [12:15]

5. Therapy, Mental Health, and Boundaries

• Jenna’s Approach as a Therapist:
  • Maintains “non-judgmental stance,” believes in diversity of beliefs and experiences.
  • Therapists need therapists; her specializations: meditation, mindfulness, severe emotional disorders.
    • Jenna: “Therapists usually have their own therapist ... I do a lot of meditation.” [28:14–28:59]
• Finding Fit in Therapy:
  • Jenna: “It took me like five tries before I found the perfect therapist for me.” [31:38]
  • Advice: Therapy is confidential, safe, and not meant to be scary.
• Serving the Entertainment Industry:
  • Focus on women, especially performers, actors, musicians—believes her experience lets her offer uniquely relevant support.
    • Jenna: “I think that it's hard for a therapist and a client to have as fruitful of a relationship when the therapist doesn't understand the perspective of what it's like to be an entertainer …” [34:38]
• Dangerous Attention and Celebrity:
  • Open conversation about death threats and how public figures experience uniquely dangerous forms of attention.
  • Host: “When I got my first significant death threat ... a much more famous person said: congratulations.” [36:36]

6. Ethics of Cloning and AI

• Cloning Debate:
  • Hosts discuss hypothetical mass cloning for labor, referencing Black Mirror; Jenna is entirely against it, even for pets.
  • Jenna: “I don't think cloning is morally acceptable at all, period." [23:30]
• AI and Mental Health:
  • Jenna voices concern about AI-generated psychosis, environmental impact, and warns against using AI for therapy.
    • Jenna: "It's just telling you what you want to hear ... there's nothing in the box." [48:21]

7. Philosophical and Spiritual Tangents

• Religion and Spirituality:
  • Jenna oscillates between atheism, agnosticism, and spirituality, largely influenced by unexplainable personal events.
    • Jenna: “On a bad day I'm an atheist, on an average day I'm agnostic, on a good day I'm spiritual.” [38:47]
  • Hosts and Jenna clarify atheism vs. agnosticism:
    • Jenna: “…agnostic means you just don't have the knowledge… until that information, concrete evidence is provided.” [38:55]
• Simulation Theory and Past Life Hypnosis:
  • Jenna shares experience with past-life regression, finding the ambiguity both freeing and motivating.
    • Jenna: “Sometimes believe in reincarnation ... I was a love and sex goddess that was worshiped in Italy.” [41:43]

8. Societal Change, Empathy, and Human Evolution

• Need for Empathy and Collectivism:
  • Jenna argues that to evolve, society must shift away from "individualistic" patterns and prioritize empathy, intellectualism, and compassion.
    • Jenna: “I think that love, compassion, as cheesy as that fucking sounds, is like the way to go, you know …” [45:54]
  • Warns of anti-intellectual currents and declining empathy in US culture.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jenna Haze on Being a Hybrid:
  "I've had people online tell me that I look like an alien." [19:45]

• On Being a Therapist:
  "Therapists usually have their own therapist. I meditate every single day... I've just kind of had such a crazy life and, like, I'm used to chaos in a way, so it doesn't affect us." [28:14–29:58]

• On Moderation and Adult Content:
  "I think most things are okay for people in moderation ... How is it impacting your health? How is it impacting your relationships, your work, your productivity, your hygiene?" [51:06]

• On Evolving as a Species:
  "I think we need to become more of a collectivistic culture where we actually care about each other ... I think that's absolutely the wrong direction ... if we would just be good fucking people." [45:54–47:03]

• On Professional Multiplicity:
  "Whether I was an adult film star or ... a therapist or now ... mainstream acting ... all of these things are going to impact people in some way." [50:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Film Premise & Jenna Intro: [01:03–02:47]
• Jenna on UFOs/Spiritual Experiences: [04:43–08:03]
• Folklore, Fairies & Aliens: [08:03–08:51]
• Recent UFO Footage Discussion: [14:02–15:01]
• Therapy, Fit, and Self-Care: [31:20–34:38]
• Cloning/Ethics Debate: [22:21–24:07]
• Empathy, Society, and Evolution: [45:54–47:03]
• Jenna on Religion/Spirituality: [38:47–39:49]
• Past-Life & Sim Theory: [41:43–42:20]
• Porn, Comedy, and Helping People: [49:18–50:40]
• How to Judge Porn Addiction: [51:06]
• Outro—Atlanta, Projects & Weed: [53:28–56:14]

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Episode Tone

The conversation bounces between irreverent, deeply personal, and intellectually curious—a signature mix of Last Podcast on the Left’s dark humor and the earnest, lived experience Jenna Haze brings as a public figure remaking herself as a mental health expert.

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Closing Highlights

• Jenna on Her Multiple Careers:
  "I'm a very diverse individual. I've got my fingers into almost everything." [54:37]
• On Enjoying Life & Weed:
  "My last name is Hayes for a reason." [56:14]

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Useful For

• Anyone interested in how media, sexuality, mental health, and weirdness collide.
• Listeners looking for nuanced discussion on celebrity, vulnerability, and growth—laced with self-deprecating humor and UFO lore.
• Those seeking practical insights on therapy and societal empathy, delivered by someone who knows the cauldron of fame firsthand.

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Transcript

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[C]

Your father doesn't say anything to you?

[B]

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[C]

So unbelievably Friendly organisms means ufo?

[B]

Correct.

[C]

That's great. That's so smart.

[B]

All right. It is, Franny. It was the one that was a copyright and that is why it's called that. So there's a section of this is what you know about the UFO phenomena is that a lot of times when entities take someone, they want to figure out a way to calm them down, talk with them, communicate with them, and in this case, breed with them. And in my mind, I was like, who would be the person that you'd pull from the very center of my brain? And holy shit, she showed up. We have here today icon Jenna Hayes of the adult entertainment industry and now psychologist well, psychotherapist.

[A]

I have a master's, so I haven't done the doctorate yet, but I intend on doing the doctorate. But I'm technically a psychotherapist now and a crisis counselor.

[C]

That's amazing.

[B]

That's. So what's the biggest difference between getting your master's and being in porn? What's the biggest differences? No, I'm just so happy you're here.

[A]

Thank you. I'm really happy to be here, too. I'm excited. And I've heard about your podcast from some friends, so thank you for having me on.

[B]

Of course.

[C]

Oh, good. I'm glad they listened.

[B]

This is the least sexy 45 minutes of your life, Jenna.

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

This is going to be.

[C]

I'm.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know. I had to, you know, I had to take classes on racism and oppression and stuff, so.

[B]

Oh, they didn't get you going? No.

[C]

That's.

[B]

What. I can't believe it. But this is. He's crazy. But unbelievable.

[C]

Fertilizing organisms.

[B]

That is first. That's another movie. That's another movie.

[A]

But sound like something to do with a gardener.

[B]

My gardener is looking.

[C]

Is he?

[B]

Yes. But today, I'm sorry, I know I look like a person that hoards your underwear in a giant chest, but I don't. I may. You know, this is. I'm a. I can't afford it. I'm an enthusiast. I can't afford it. I'm an enthusiast of material.

[A]

I do. I do sell my. My clothing from my movies at shop. Jenna Hayes dot com.

[B]

Boom. Good club.

[C]

Amazing. Phenomenal plug. Phenomenal plug.

[B]

But today, we're not going to be talking about your illustrious career. We're not going to be talking about horny things. We're gonna be talking about the opposite. We're gonna be talking about the truth. Talking about UFOs. What is. How have you. Have you been touched at all by the new, like, UFO news? Like, the idea of UFOs being quote, unquote, real?

[A]

I mean, I mean, I've always known that it's real for us to think that we are the only intelligent species in the entire galaxy universe. Everything is incredibly arrogant. Right. So there has to be some other kind of life.

[C]

That's how I started as well.

[A]

Yeah. And so I actually, I'm in the middle of watching Invasion right now. But I love Alien movies. I love Alien shows. So I'm seeing all the. Seeing them drop the, you know, the news and saying, oh, yeah, you know, it is real. We do have Footage, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think it's like, obviously, duh, but. But it's also a distraction from politics. And what's going on right now is why they're dropping it. But I like the confirmation. And I saw, actually, this morning, it's funny, I saw something about some kind of floating some video on Twitter or something. I still call it Twitter.

[B]

It's Twitter.

[A]

It's Twitter. Some glowing thing somewhere. And I didn't get to really read it because I was getting ready for this, but I was like, oh, look, this is a good sign. I'm looking at UFO stuff right before I do this podcast. How perfect.

[B]

I. We're going to show you some footage because I want to get your reaction. But what is your. Have you ever had what we call an anomalous experience?

[A]

Not with aliens, no. I've had a couple of, like, spiritual experiences that have led me to believe that there's definitely some sort of paranormal stuff going on in the world. Like, for example, my grandfather passed away a few years ago. I've never told anyone this, but my grandfather passed away a few years ago, and I wasn't able to go to his service. And I was reading a book on my couch, and in the middle, like, it was silent in my house, and I heard in the middle of my living room, like, three feet from me, the sound of keys jingling. And I was like, oh, my God, am I going. Am I getting, like. As a psychotherapist, I'm like, am I getting. Am I schizophrenic? Like, what's going on? Like, I'm hearing things. And my sister, who happens to see ghosts and everything like that, and she has a very deep spiritual connection.

[B]

Are you Italian?

[A]

Am I. No, but I talk with my hands a lot. But she was like. She's like, jen, she's like, that was your grandfather. He used to jingle his. His keys in his pocket all the time. That was him, like, saying, you know, that he's here and he understands and saying goodbye and.

[C]

Why didn't you come to my funeral?

[B]

You don't seem busy.

[C]

You're just reading a book. You could have made it.

[A]

Well, I didn't come to the funeral because my aunt does not like me very much.

[C]

Fair enough.

[B]

Well, then don't you feel like that's not the time to start drama? I actually was talking about this with somebody about a funeral's a great drama inflection point.

[C]

I feel like everyone gets a pass during the funeral.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's a hard time, you know, But. But I'm just glad that I had got to have that moment, you know? And then another time after my mom passed away a few years ago, she came to me in a dream. And it was the most vivid dream I've ever had. I could smell her skin. I could feel the texture of her hair. Like, it was like, unbelievably vivid. And so those two experiences made me be like, okay, there's way more to this world. Like that. We, you know, there's some truth to this ghost thing. There's some truth to the spiritual thing. There's some truth to who knows, you know, I mean, all the folklore and stuff, the werewolves and the vampires, like, who knows what grain of truth is in all of that, right?

[B]

It's been connected to, like. There's a guy named Jacques Vallee that talks about this idea that we have been followed by the phenomena since the very beginning of consciousness. And that the stories that we say about aliens and the grays and all these types of things are the same stories that they said about fairies in the medieval times because they would be abducted and turned. You know, the story of a changeling, a child being stolen by fairies and coming back, being replaced. That's all. Alien abduction, all of that is the same thing. And so Jacques Vallee talks that we've been mirrored by this phenomena for a long time and it's got something to do with us. Like, it's got. But who knows if it's got. If there is something outside of us?

[A]

Who knows? I mean, I think that there's gotta be a grain of truth in all of these things. You know, I'm obsessed with anything fantasy, really. Like, I have fairy art all over my house. And like, I love, like, anything, like horror or alien or anything like that. I get really.

[B]

Have you been reading. Have you been reading A Court of Thorns and Roses?

[A]

Oh, my gosh, it's so funny that you say that. A friend of mine gave me that book, like a year or so ago and I haven't started reading it.

[B]

My wife.

[C]

We have a companion for you.

[B]

We. My wife runs a show on these books. They're everywhere.

[A]

They are. They are. I've heard conflicting opinions on those books.

[B]

They're great. They're great. They do whatever. Honestly, it gets. It gets her all ready to go. She's reading the book. It's sad that I'm not a 7 foot tall, be winged, barbed penis, giant man.

[C]

Yes, it is sad.

[B]

But that's. But then the end. I mean, I'M there. That man would be difficult.

[C]

Yeah. You know, I mean, for me, it.

[A]

Was more of, like, reading Anne Rice and, like, Laurel K. Hamilton and things like that. A little bit different.

[B]

I love Laurel K. Hamilton, too. Did you have a goth face?

[A]

I am. I'm kind of considered. I hang out with a lot of goth people in the music industry and stuff. A lot of dark wave musicians and things like that. And I wear black predominantly, so I'm kind of a honorary goth, I guess.

[B]

Yeah, I could see it.

[C]

Sympathizer. Goth sympathizer.

[A]

I mean, I'm. Because I'm an actress and a model, I like to wear all kinds of different fashion looks. So one day I look like hippie bohemian stoner girl. The next day I look like a goth chick. The next day I look like a rocker chick. The next day I look like a sweet little psychotherapist. You know, it's so great. I love being able to express all the different sides of me.

[B]

When you go in, like, I actually wonder, like, in while you were working and all this kind of stuff, like, have you run into people that have been involved in the UFO world since this. Have you ever, like, you know, you've never ended up at Alex Jones's house. Definitely not. You've never ended up at, like, you know, I'm trying to think, is he an alien guy?

[A]

You know, I am on the opposite end of the political spectrum with that.

[B]

No, that's. Oh, yeah, you never know. Like, that's the problem with UFOs. UFOs is the one subject.

[C]

It's truly bipartisan.

[B]

It is truly bipartisan. Like, nobody. Everybody's. Because guess who, guess. What's the only, like, defining trait is insane.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

As long as you're just completely, utterly insane, desperate, or broken. There's a place for you in ufology.

[C]

Yes. And I have to say, Jenna, I've been doing this podcast for two years now, and I would say two years and three days ago, I didn't give a shit about aliens. And I think this is your opportunity to get out now. I think it's very important for you to realize that it is a deep place to go to and you can leave. And you don't have to do this because Henry's making it.

[B]

We can ruin Jenna Hayes today. We can do it today if you just go down. Let's show the video. Let's show her the video. We're going to ruin her today.

[C]

That's the thing. I didn't give a shit. I found this video.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I did to him.

[C]

I brought this.

[B]

That's what I did to him. He. He's not even interested in this shit.

[C]

It was on TMZ in the day of.

[A]

This is the days of AI so it's hard to know what is real and what is not real anymore. Right.

[B]

That's actually. It's very astute. Yeah, whatever though. This is real.

[C]

This.

[A]

I want it to be real.

[B]

I will not. I can't be challeng. Too fragile to be challenged. This comes.

[C]

This came from a representative in Montana, correct?

[B]

Yes. So this came from this certain. So now they were having a UAP congressional hearing.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So this is the only thing these fucking idiots are even going to be can sit in the same room to hear is about UFOs now.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so this footage just. This is hot out of the bakery from the US Government of an object that was seen over Yemen that was shot at by a missile and then was fine.

[A]

This is what. This is what I saw this morning.

[B]

This is from our. But this is our former buddy Jeremy Corbell. I think you and Jeremy Corbell could also hang out.

[C]

Oh, absolutely, yes. Oh, you love him.

[B]

I don't know you cyber truck lady. No, he loves his cyber truck.

[C]

Oh, does he?

[B]

Oh yeah. You've never seen a cyber truck?

[C]

No.

[B]

He has a green wrap cyber truck with a UFO vanity life and his license plate on.

[C]

Is this a ufo?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh God. I take back anything nice I ever said about him. That's ridiculous.

[B]

Your whole reputation now, every single thing.

[C]

That you work for just cuz you got a green wrapped cyber chart.

[B]

He has a green wrapped cyber truck. But it's nevertheless he gets great UFO footage.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. It takes him 10 days to drive to Vegas.

[B]

He said he just. He had to extinguish the flames every like it's only once a month. Continue.

[C]

All right, so what are we seeing here?

[B]

This object was. This was shot over Yemen. So now I guess this is a part of this a complicated airspace. So this was over a US military base that this thing was flying around. And the worst part, the thing about this, that is truly ridiculous is the fact that it's going flat against it. Boom. So that was a actual tracking missile shot from the base itself that just turned it. It just dropped chunks of it off and then just kept flying.

[C]

Yeah, it didn't give a shit. Which is pretty awesome. Now I got to say, you got to give that guy who hit it a raise.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because if you're able to hit a UFO with a Missile, like, let's send. I mean, he belongs in Yemen.

[B]

I mean, he's definitely.

[C]

He's working.

[B]

He's the guy that can like just shoot, like an ISIS guy, like through the window of a bathroom.

[C]

This is.

[A]

Why do they have to get clearance to just shoot this out? Try to shoot this out of the sky or.

[C]

Oh, absolutely.

[B]

So apparently the way it goes is that they got. They can get clearance, but they do have, like, if this was over a no fly space. That thing's not like that guy. Apparently they had to shoot it. Yeah. Whether they wanted to or not. Jenna, as a therapist, what do you do with people like me that see shit like this and then are like, why am I working? Why are the aliens just coming and taking care of everything?

[C]

They don't care about you.

[B]

No, I know. Oh, I know.

[A]

Well, as a therapist, I don't judge. I come from a non judgmental stance, so I've heard some pretty far out things in therapy sessions. And I don't judge. I accept. You know, not everyone's gonna believe in the same things I believe in. And I don't think it's any sort of like mental illness or anything like that to believe in different things, you know?

[B]

But what about when you're just like, then why do I have to pay taxes?

[A]

I mean, I ask myself that every day without even seeing a ufo. Okay.

[B]

I do ask that a lot. I do ask that a lot. Normally what helps me, my questioning taxes. Juice is called scotch.

[A]

I just did my. I just finished my taxes. My CPA sent it over today and I signed it and I was like, oh, done again for like another year. And then we got to do it again in a few months.

[B]

And like, ugh, doesn't that make you just say aliens? Just come already.

[C]

Just take it.

[B]

Just fucking come already.

[A]

It's funny that you say that because the other day I was like, you know what? Like, why have it with everything that's going on in the world, all of this craziness and everything, and all of this, like, pain and suffering and like, like wildness and, you know, government stuff that's going on, you know, why haven't they come down and been like, hey. But I think they're actually, like, observing us and being like, these people are fucking stupid.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I'm reading a book right now called the the Demonized Male. And what it's about is the charting of violence in men specifically because of, like, our primate natures. And I do think that there is something to the idea of, oh, that rock is filled with very violent monkeys.

[C]

Yeah, they probably. I mean, it's like, you know, you don't go swimming in an ocean full of sharks.

[B]

Some people do, but they. They're white and they buy a big cage and they go down amongst them.

[A]

Who knows? You know, there's also the theory that, you know, we actually came from an alien race and were planted on this planet forever and ever and ever ago. You know, one of my favorite books is a sci fi book, Sci fi horror by an artist, by a writer called Christopher pike. And it's called the Season of Passage and it's about an astronaut who goes to Mars. And basically that's the whole, like, concept of the book, is that we were actually. There's actually a different. Like, we were planted here on Earth by an alien race. So maybe we're just an experiment to them, you know, maybe that's what this. Maybe that's what this aircraft was doing. It was just like observing and being like, oh, man, they're not getting any better.

[B]

It's like, ugh. Yeah, they're killing each other.

[C]

I like that. The fact that they might be on vacation, I think that's nice. So they come in here to just chill out, you know, like.

[B]

Like how I went to the Wisconsin Dells.

[C]

Yes, very. And you didn't want to talk to the people there?

[B]

No, so. No, I didn't.

[C]

Yeah, it's like Pigeon Forge.

[B]

That is the truth. Who would you be surprised, like, who would you not be surprised that you've personally met would be half alien?

[A]

Oh, probably my friend Taylor Momson.

[B]

Yep. Yeah, mom said, yeah, she's pretty incredible.

[A]

And if you sing. Yeah, she's awesome. The reason why I thought of her is because I just saw a picture of her this morning at the VMAs and her abs are just insane and like, they look like almost fake. And she's just such a diverse, creative person. And I don't know, she's kind of.

[B]

Otherworldly and abs are all genetic. That's what I say to myself every day.

[C]

That's what you have to say to yourself.

[B]

You're completely genetic. There's nothing I can do about it.

[A]

I would think her. I mean, I don't know. I meet a lot of really cool people, so I'm very blessed in that aspect.

[B]

I mean, that is really cool. Would you freak out if you found out you were half alien DNA? I actually feel like that's the big secret. That's the big secret that they've been. They've been hovering over us Is number one, that they have a UFO they don't know what to do with.

[C]

Of course.

[B]

And number two, that a lot of people are walking around with alien DNA do anything about it. And if it doesn't change your lunch tomorrow. Why would you even care if you knew?

[C]

Well, I wouldn't care if I knew exactly. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, it wouldn't bother you care.

[A]

I wouldn't care. I mean, I've had people online tell me that I look like an alien. So there you go.

[B]

You know, it is not. I'm not gonna say it's not part of. Not, not part of the reason that you're in ufo unbelievably friendly organisms. Because you do. You know, that was the part of one of the big conspiracy theories is that the Grays got. Okay, Jenna, this is gonna see how hang with me.

[A]

No, I love this. I wish I got stoned before this, though.

[B]

No, we're gonna get stoned, Jenna.

[C]

Don't worry.

[B]

We're gonna get Stone. Don't worry.

[C]

That is actually what Henry's best at.

[B]

We're gonna do that.

[A]

I try to be professional. Show up. So the best.

[B]

No, we're going to get Stone. Oh, yeah.

[C]

We totally should have told you. You could have got stoned.

[B]

Oh, we should have done this together. I would have brought my fucking dabs rig and we would've done this together. Okay.

[A]

We'll spend lots of time together.

[B]

Yes. So President Eisenhower, during his time in office, there is a very famous, apparently real story within alien lore that he faked a dental emergency, that he was in Florida. He faked a dental emergency because the Grays had landed, it requested his presence and that the Eisenhower had to negotiate with an alien Gray in of literally a Florida golf course where he signed an agreement saying, okay, we'll take X amount of technology for X amount of human beings. Right? And the idea that they would have that the Grays that they thought they could control would have something like 150,000 whatever humans they were allowed to just take. And that they would take those people and they would begin to begin their breeding program. Program with them because they can't stay here. So they needed to create something that can mix with their DNA that can stay on this planet. And that a part of what they did was create hybrid races. So they would pick people up, impregnate them, steal the babies from them, drop them back off, and then they would then subtly put those hybrid babies in society, creating a new beauty stand. And that eventually we would go to love. And that's the reason why I'm saying right now, if you are a hybrid baby. Jenny, Jenna, I want to say thank you so much for choosing this project.

[A]

I did 23andMe, and while I found out a lot about my DNA and my genetics and where I'm from and stuff, it didn't show any alien DNA, unfortunately.

[C]

Well, I don't think they're up to date on their bullshit.

[B]

Tnmitholded there's gonna be. How would you. Okay, here, Jenna, here's a fun question. Okay, let's say your DNA was stolen by 23andMe. And they went, yeah, it was.

[A]

I've watched Black Mirror, okay? I've seen the episode of Black Mirror is one of my favorite shows. And I have seen the episode, you know, where he takes the DNA off the coke can and he like, makes like the whole doubles of all of his. All of his co workers and stuff. So my whole thing is like, if somebody wants to clone me and make it make another one of me or steal my DNA, they can do it so easily. Like, I mean, I was an exotic dancer. Like, I was like an adult film star.

[B]

It's all out there. It's out there, but in my mind. All right, so I had this debate with Natalie. Okay, okay, let's say they take your DNA, and instead of like. So one of the big problems we're having right now is trying to figure out how do we. Instead of using quote unquote, slavery to dig for the giant. All of these things that we need to make cell phones, right? All the cadmium, all this kind of shit, right? We're subjugating large groups of people to do this. It's horrible. What if instead, because we know we can clone humans, they can clone us, right? And we wouldn't even know. And our clones were there digging, right? The clones were digging and all that. We sent them to do all this manual labor and shit. Is that. How would you feel about that? Morally?

[A]

I mean, I don't think cloning is morally acceptable at all, period. Like, period. My ex boyfriend wanted to clone my dog.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

We had a dog together and he wanted to clone her. And I was like, no, because I don't know, like, it's not gonna be her and her soul isn't gonna be.

[C]

There's so many dogs. Rescue dogs don't clone do we do not need more dogs.

[B]

It'd be fun experiment, though, in a way.

[A]

I don't. I don't know. I'm against, like, I'm against the ethics of cloning. It Freaks me out. I think it's really dangerous. And I. I mean, I don't. I don't know another one of me. I don't think the world could handle it.

[C]

I don't think they could either.

[B]

Here's what I need it. I think we need it.

[C]

Jenna, do clones start as babies or as adults?

[B]

Babies.

[C]

So they have to, like, grow up.

[B]

I would hope that we could stretch them.

[C]

Yeah, so they die fast, too. So clone probably only lasts a couple years.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. If it's my clone, pay me money.

[C]

I don't want your clone working in a mine. First of all, your car's gonna suck in a mine.

[B]

I'm not hiring you. Start him early.

[C]

Yeah, no, I think if we're gonna clone anyone. Dead people.

[B]

That's a great idea.

[C]

Clone dead people. Let them work in the mines.

[B]

It's a great idea.

[C]

Get Jenna's grandfather in the mines, and.

[B]

We won't even know Jenna.

[A]

Get, like, horrible people like Hitler and Genghis Khan and stuff like that, and put that in.

[B]

They're gonna take over the mines.

[C]

I think Genghis Khan would be a great mine worker.

[B]

No, because if we start. No, because they're gonna take over the other clones, and then the clones are.

[C]

Gonna rise up, give them a lobotomy.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Who cares? It's meat.

[B]

That's not a person.

[C]

It's not.

[A]

I have to say, all of this is completely unethical.

[B]

Guys, thank you for the. I like, get used to that phrase.

[C]

When you're on set.

[B]

What we're doing also for ufo, the movie. I'm so excited for you to meet my, like, second family. So my. A whole other crew of family that is on this movie is Shane Morton, Chris Brown, and they painted me head to toe for the show that I was doing for Adult Swim called your Pretty Face is Going to Hell. And they've been working all this stuff. And so, Jenna, I did sort of say right before this, I did sort of hit you with. You're gonna probably be covered with a lot of prosthetics.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's fun. I think it's exciting. You know, I did a horror movie. I had a small role in a horror movie by the Butcher brothers years ago called Raised by Wolves. And I played, like, an escaped cult member, and they had to, like, douse me with blood and like, put, like, these carved symbols all over my body. And at the end of the day, we'd been shooting all day, and they're like, oh, you can go Take a shower. And I was like, no, I just want. I want to drive home like this. I drove home and I wish. I wish that someone had, like, pulled me over. It's the only time I ever wish I got pulled over by a cop because I wanted to see the reaction of me just like, drenched in blood. But I love stuff like that, you know, I love being creative and I love seeing myself in different ways and getting to, you know, have these kind of off the wall experiences. So I'm excited about it.

[B]

This is gonna be fun. And my. My boys are really good at it. Just so you know, Shane is gonna talk about his. He did a. He worked for a while on we Gornography. No, no, Gornography is pornography that is made to look like. It's like zombies. And so I remember one time he showed me this, he was just like, hey, bud, you want to take a look at this? And what it was is a fake vagina on top of a vagina to be eaten off of the woman. Like it was to be like a guy went like, ah. And then pulled off her vagina. But it was all fake. Yeah.

[C]

What's that movie?

[B]

I don't know. I've never seen the film. Eddie. I'm just saying, you're gonna hear about it, Jenna, because Shane doesn't know how to not talk about it. So I'm doing it here now.

[C]

Well, maybe we should get an HR director on set.

[B]

No, nothing will be made.

[A]

I was in the adult industry. I'm still kind of technically, you know, industry adjacent because I still promote my awesome Fleshlight products and everything like that.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

But yeah, so I've always been like, adjacent to that. So I've seen a lot of stuff, like between adult stuff, being a therapist and being around the entertainment industry, like pretty much for the last 24 years. I have seen some wild stuff.

[B]

So can I honestly ask, what do you do to take care of yourself in all of that? Because I feel like Eddie and I had a really weird night. Remember that guy with that we talked to that. The psychologist for like hours. Like, the dude.

[C]

Oh, that guy was great.

[B]

He was awesome. But he was all like, yeah, I don't feel like. Yeah, we were like, how do you deal with people, like, telling you their problems all day? He's like, I don't fucking care.

[A]

Therapists usually have their own therapist. I also do a lot of self care. So my specializations are in like meditation and mindfulness as well as working with people who do self harming behaviors, borderline personality Disorder, anxiety, depression, and suicide prevention are kind of the areas that I work in. So I hear a lot of really, really, really harsh stuff and really heavy things, you know, and there's been a couple of stories that have weighed down on me that I go home and I'm like, oh, my gosh. And I. They'll pop in my head again. But, you know, we're really, really big on self care. And since meditation and mindfulness is kind of my jam, you know, I do a lot of meditation. I meditate every single day. I go on vacations a lot, actually, because I love to travel. I do yoga. I do yoga.

[B]

Like, where's the last place you go?

[A]

The last place? I spent two months in Australia last year.

[B]

Isn't it great?

[C]

It's wonderful.

[A]

I love it. I've been eight times, and I love it there so much. It's amazing.

[B]

You seem like you would be a naturalized Australian.

[A]

Yes, I have a lot.

[C]

How do you do with the spiders?

[A]

So you don't really see them in the cities, like, the huge ones in the cities as much. You see them more when you go up the coast above Sydney, the coastline of the. They're stunningly beautiful. And like, I saw some spiders that were. And I actually have a little bit of a spider phobia that I'm trying to work through right now, so I was like, but it's getting. It's getting better. But. But yeah, the spiders there are really, really intense. But, yeah. So I travel a lot. I have some. I have amazing friends and stuff that I turn to for support. I do journaling, but I think. I think I've just kind of had such a crazy life and, like, I'm used to chaos in a way, so it doesn't affect us.

[B]

You seem like such a bubble of sanity.

[C]

You really do.

[A]

I am, but are you fooling us?

[C]

I mean, you have to be.

[B]

Are you fooling us? Jenna, you seem like such a bubble of just like, I've been surrounded by.

[A]

Chaos pretty much my whole life, you know, And I'm kind of like the calm in the middle of the storm. Although, you know, everybody has their own moments of, you know, outbursts and things.

[B]

Like that, but not me.

[C]

I'm curious about your therapy.

[B]

Do you believe.

[A]

I don't know if I believe that, sir.

[B]

I'm one of the calmest men you've ever met.

[C]

You're turning red as we talk to you.

[A]

But I think. I think that. I think I was kind of almost born to be a therapist. You know, it's what I wanted to do before I got in the industry. And yeah, it's great. And I think I was born to also be an actress and an adult film star. You know, all of these things came really naturally to me.

[C]

Is your therapy in person or over zoom?

[A]

It's in person.

[C]

Nice.

[B]

He's actually, he's out on the therapist right now.

[C]

Oh, well, we don't have another session on the books, but I do love my therapist. So we're gonna have to. I'm gonna have to stick with her.

[A]

I think everybody should have a therapist. That's all I gotta say. Has been through something or can improve themselves in some way. And it's always good to have somebody who you can talk to and bounce ideas off of and who can help you from a non biased perspective.

[C]

You know, I actually, this could be a good. What's some good advice you can give people for that first session? Because that first session fucking sucks when you just gotta unload your entire life in an hour. Like, what?

[B]

And it's like, I view it as like, here comes the show. Yeah, it's time for the show.

[A]

I'm like, let me just lay it all out. Like, I've never had a problem talking to people and I'm pretty much an open book. So it wasn't an issue for me. I think it's important to find the right therapist. Therapist for you because it took me like five tries before I found the perfect therapist for me.

[B]

How do you properly fire a therapist?

[A]

You just say, hey, I don't think this is gonna work out. And you know, I've worked with clients before who it's not a good match. You know, like, some therapists are gonna be great for you. Some are. And that's okay. It's not a big deal. It doesn't mean it's a bad therapist, it doesn't mean you're a bad client. It just means that it's not a good fit. And you know, that's the same way it is with romantic relationships too, you know, like, like just not a good fit. But I think if someone's going into a session for the first time, I mean, understand that everything is confidential. We're not here to judge you, we're here to help you. And it's a very, very safe spot. So, you know, a lot of people come in and they're scared, you know, and you have to use different strategies to get the client to open up more. And then other clients will come in and they're just like me. They're just like Bleh. Laying it all out there. But, I mean, just realizing that, you know, it's not. It's not a scary. It's not meant to be a scary thing. You know, it's meant to be a safe place where we can help you improve yourself and work through whatever trauma or whatever, you know, stress or mental anguish or anxiety or depression or obsessive thoughts or whatever it is that you're going through.

[C]

Yeah, I never thought I needed it. And then I started doing it almost.

[A]

Like, everybody needs it.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. And I started doing it as, like, preventative because I was, like, releasing this movie about my mother, and I'm like, I'm gonna do a lot of interviews. I'm gonna get all sad. So I just like, all right, I'm just gonna start therapy to, like, make sure that I'm gonna be okay when this all happens. And now it's like four years later. I couldn't imagine living without it. And I like. And everyone, like, you know, I see I seem like a very well adjusted person. You have no idea, Jenna. But the. But everyone else, like, he doesn't need it.

[B]

And he's calm. He's gen come.

[C]

Yeah, the weed helps. And. But, like, it's been wonderful for me, and so I just. I can't suggest it more. And I love that you're doing it, and I think it's wonderful. And now, are you, like, a therapist there? What kind of therapist are you?

[A]

I'm a psychotherapist, so I'm. I try to keep my actual, like, credentials a little bit secret because I don't want my fans to kind of look for me.

[B]

That was the thing I was going to ask. I was like, did you ever.

[A]

I'm still in the process of getting fully licensed and everything, and I may just go straight into a doctoral program in a couple years. So I just try to, you know, I've already had fans write me and be like, can I be your client? Can I be your client? And I'm like, no, it doesn't work like that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

I work primarily with women. Not only, but mostly. And my whole goal is to have a private practice where I work with people in the adult industry. People who are actresses, models, musicians, anyone in the entertainment industry.

[B]

It couldn't be more necessary, Jenna. Honestly, that could not be. We need your perspective, actually.

[A]

Yeah. Because I think that it's hard for a therapist and a client to have as fruitful of a relationship when the therapist doesn't understand the perspective of what it's like. To be an entertainer or to be a celebrity, or to have a fan base or to have stalkers, or to have, like, be on set for 14 hours a day, to have these expectations be put on you, and to have, like, people act like they know you when they don't really know you.

[B]

Oh, yeah, think about this. You talk, you go to therapy, right? Any other human being, you go to therapy and you say, people are saying negative things about me, blah, blah, blah, what do I do? And they'll be like, don't look. It shouldn't involve you. What if you're a public figure? What happens when you're a public figure? And legitimately, part of my job as a CEO of a company is to absorb the negative criticism and do something about it. And it's literally the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Well, yeah, and I think that's why, you know, I think that's why I wanted to go in this direction, because when I was looking for a therapist, as soon as I told them, you know, what I did for a living before, they were like, oh, and their perspective of me would change. And they couldn't understand what it was like to go on tour, what it was like to deal with signing autographs, what it was like. And I know that these things kind of sound a little bit superficial in some way, but it does.

[B]

They're not.

[A]

It does have an effect on someone's psyche, you know, and, you know, coping with all the negative comments or the positive comments or the people, you know, it's an interesting experience being somewhat of a celebrity. And because I've, you know, toured and because I've been on camera and been on set and. And done interviews galore and all of these things, I feel like I can understand people in the music industry better. I feel like I can understand people who have been movie stars. And I don't think there's a lot of therapists out there, if any, that I can think of, who have been some sort of celebrity beforehand. So I think I'm gonna be able to give a very interesting perspective and be able to provide my clients with a service and a safe place that no one else could kind of provide.

[B]

Well, I also imagine you deal with something that it is also very outside of a quote unquote, somebody who's in the public sphere of the. The dangerous attention. Like, there's a certain amount of dangerous attention that comes with it, too, because I remember when I got my first significant death threat and I asked a much more famous person about this, they said congratulations. They said welcome. They're like, that means you. Oh, you're doing well then.

[A]

I mean, yeah, I've gotten them since I was 19 years old, so I can't even imagine.

[B]

I didn't want to talk about it for 24 years. I don't even know how you walk. Like, what do you do? Like, how do you not look at us as two dangerous, evil creatures?

[C]

Because we're falling asleep while we talk.

[B]

I know.

[C]

It's different.

[B]

We still are. I feel like as a 41 year old man, the world is. I'm starting to understand now people are afraid of me.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Really, as a man. Just like walking into places, like walking into. Amongst younger people. I'm starting to now feel like, like, oh, they think I'm like a police officer.

[C]

I've had people run from me for no reason.

[B]

They look at me like I'm some kind of authority figure. And you're like, I need one. I need an authority figure. I never had a proper mentor. You want. That's what they're scared of, is this, this conversation?

[C]

I think it's good that they're scared of you. And if they're, you know, not everyone, they're responsible. You look scary.

[B]

What's scary about me?

[C]

You have pentagram hats on half the time.

[B]

Pentagram's a symbol of protection. No.

[C]

Yeah, but you have to scream that to explain it.

[B]

Sorry. Now you're just watching. We've literally known each other.

[A]

I have a. I have a purse that has a pentagram on it. So there you go.

[C]

You just.

[B]

How do you feel about. You're already hired.

[C]

Don't worry.

[B]

How do you feel about the power of Satan himself?

[A]

I mean, I don't. Okay, so why is Satan a man? On a bad day. On a bad day I'm an atheist, on an average day I'm an agnostic. And on a good day I'm spiritual. But I don't believe in religion.

[C]

So I'm with you. What is the difference as someone who's an atheist? Agnostic. What should I call? What's the difference between atheist and agnostic to you?

[A]

Well, so an atheist means that you believe nothing and that there's nothing. And agnostic means that you just don't have the knowledge, you just don't have the information to make the right decision. So there could be or there could not be. You just don't know. And until that information, concrete evidence is provided, you are kind of in like a limbo stage of like, could be, could not be.

[B]

Yeah, I View myself as a professional agnostic, where I will. I refuse to believe in anyone, in anything.

[C]

Well, that's atheist.

[B]

No, an atheist is saying that there's.

[A]

Nothing, that there's no God, there's no spirituality, there's nothing. And when we die, there's nothing we're doing.

[B]

I think it's all true. True.

[C]

Really? See, I'm an atheist leaning agnostic. After this conversation, I think that's how I feel about it. I'm more atheist than not, you know, than the other side of agnostic. But. But, you know, but if I saw something that was true, I'd believe it.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

No, I mean, I was full atheist until I had those two experiences I told you about. And then I was like, whoa, there's.

[C]

Got to be something to it. If every culture on Earth believes in some kind of spirit, there has to be something to it.

[B]

It. Unless it is a literal entirely. We literally can't understand our consciousness and reality and how our consciousness works with reality. Is there such a thing as an objective reality? Like, are you actually here or are you all just globules? Am I the only guy here? Am I the only man here? No, no.

[A]

Are we in a simulation?

[B]

But, Jenna, I was obsessed with that thought for a long time, and then eventually I had a therapist that said, does it. If it's a simulation, like, does it affect the appointment? Does it affect you going out to lunch? Does it affect you? And I was just like, no. Then he's like, it's a pretty good simulation, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I think the idea if it was a simulation would make me feel a little bit more free because I'd be like, oh, it doesn't really matter. Like, it doesn't really matter.

[B]

I feel like everything you've. But haven't you done everything you've ever wanted to anyway, right?

[A]

Me? No. I have so much more I want to do. Are you kidding me?

[B]

I know.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Me in forever. But I mean, up until this point, like, do you feel like you really lived it, or do you feel like there was like. Or is it one of those things that you not ended up here? Like, is it one of those. Did you follow your heart and end up here, or were you like, this is a set track?

[A]

I mean, I don't know. That's an interesting question. These are deep questions. I've never been on a podcast where they've asked me things like this before.

[B]

I'm not even. I'm getting to know you.

[A]

I mean, I. I don't know. I Just know that I. I sometimes believe in reincarnation. I went to a past life regressionist. I have a lot of very, like, hippie friends and stuff. I've done like, chakra balancing. I've done like, meet. Gone to mediums to contact, like dead relatives, like those kinds of things. And I just. I sometimes believe in reincarnation because the past life regression has said that I was a love and sex goddess that was worshiped in Italy at one point. And I was like, well, that sounds pretty accurate.

[B]

Yeah, I figured I could sign up for that.

[A]

Yeah, that's pretty accurate. But I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, mine was. I was a man named Grunt that was crushed by a rock. No, let's continue, please.

[A]

Are you Sisyphus? No, I'm just.

[C]

No, don't do this to me.

[B]

I just talked about it in therapy.

[C]

He's. Syphilis. That's.

[A]

That's not what I said, sir.

[B]

I'm clean. I'm clean. Don't I look clean?

[A]

But I think we're still finding out so much stuff. You know, technology is still catching up with so many things and we're just evolving and there's so much that we don't know, you know, that it's. It's actually kind of exciting, you know, to think of, like, what we might. Like, I'm. I'm probably like almost halfway through my life or whatever. Like. And like, I can't. I can't, like, from what's happened from the time I was a kid to the time now, like, I mean, I grew up playing, like, the original Nintendo. My first movies were on vhs.

[C]

Oh, boy.

[B]

We had a rotary phone.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I had a rotary phone. Like, we didn't have. I grew up without cell phones or, you know, pagers or Internet or anything like that, you know, and to see where we are now, like, I'm just excited to see, you know, what we find out. And with, you know, with the government releasing all this UFO footage and things like that, like, who knows?

[B]

Things can. Things could either go uphill very quickly or go downhill very quickly. When those aliens show up, we. What they do.

[C]

Can I ask an alien question of you?

[B]

Yeah, what?

[C]

Are you scared of them or are you welcoming?

[A]

It depends on how they would approach me. You know, if it's the aliens and invasion right now that I'm watching. Oh, my God, no. Like, I would be terrified of them.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, but if it's like.

[C]

But what about, like, the footage we just saw, does that. Do you think that's cool or does that scare you that it could shrug off a missile? Like.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I would be welcoming at first until they showed some kind of sign of aggression or wanted to, like, kill me. And then I'd be like, all right.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, don't do that. That's what I would say.

[A]

Hit the nuke button. No, I'm just kidding.

[B]

Yeah. Then we get it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You treat them like a person. Obvious. You know, that's very. I think that's very smart.

[B]

I actually. I feel like that they have arrived and we have no idea what they probably have. Yeah. And we just don't know.

[C]

Man, that Eisenhower thing stinks of.

[B]

To me, but.

[C]

Because, like, first off, like, why would an alien give a. About signing an agreement?

[B]

Well, that's.

[C]

Do they even have a signature? Like. Like, why there's no law?

[B]

Well, that's what I've said countless times, is that if the. If the Grays were real, like, if it is all real. Right.

[C]

I actually sign your bullshit.

[B]

I legitimately don't. You joke. But I think that that's what it is. I think these guys show up and, like, they want. They do this thing called contract, and they act like it's a binding thing, like we're not a timeless.

[C]

They take a limit of a tree and ruin it with some weird black substance. And then they say that now I have to do this. Yep.

[B]

They're stupid.

[C]

Yeah. Correct.

[A]

Well, I mean, I don't think that they're going to look like what we think they're going to look like. Yeah, I think that. I mean, like you said, they could already be here and we just can't see them, we can't perceive them. We don't have the right equipment or the right senses or. We're not as evolved, you know, maybe as human beings continue to evolve. Right.

[B]

Very much so. But then, Jenna, how do we evolve as a therapist?

[A]

Well, not what we're doing now, man.

[B]

You think we're heading the wrong way?

[A]

Yeah, I think that in order to evolve as human beings, we need to do what we're not doing. I think we need to evolve in areas of empathy. I think that we need to take. Become like our. In the United States. Here we are a very individualistic culture. Right. I think we need to become more of a collective, collectivistic culture where we actually care about each other. Because right now, like, we're letting children, you know, like, they're cutting kids benefits and they're, like, doing all these things, you know, that are harmful to humanity. And I Think that's the wrong direction. I think that love, compassion, as cheesy as that fucking sounds, is like the way to go, you know, And I think intellectualism and learning and growing is so important. But right now what we're seeing from our society specifically here in the United States is a regression, an anti intellectualism swing, you know, a shunning of science of all of these things. And I think that's dangerous and I think it's absolutely the wrong direction because I mean, think about how much our brains have evolved since the beginning of time. Right? Like our brains have like grown and grown and grown and like, who knows what way we could evolve if we would just be good fucking people.

[B]

It's also, it's like acknowledging where we're at too and knowing that we've had the same. But like it evolves and then we've had the same brain since the beginning of civilization. So it's actually more like what do we, how do we understand that we're limited? How do we first understand that? That like we are, we still have an ancient brain. Yeah. And the world and our, the technology is going faster than our social networks can go.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean it's fucked up. We were, you know, think about like just cars, right? Cars are what, like 1888 or something like that? It's like the, and then like 1912 were flying and then 1954, we're in space. That shit's crazy. And then, you know, like that's, that's from all of time to that.

[A]

Like that's the last 150 years. We have seen so many advances that it's, it's scary, but also exciting.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, it's, it is very, very interesting. Interesting times indeed.

[C]

It's great.

[A]

Beautiful. And we don't even know, we don't even know what all this Internet stuff is really actually going to do to our brains. You know, they're talking. Lately they've had articles about how ChatGPT is causing psychosis in individuals, which I find fascinating. And I tell everyone, please don't use chat GPT and I have friends who use it as a therapist. And I'm like, stop using chat.

[B]

It's just telling you what you want to hear. There's nothing in there. There's no, there's nothing. Yes. There's nothing in the box. You're talking to nobody. So that's what's hard is that plus.

[A]

The environmental repercussions of using, you know, AI all the time aren't that great. And I think that's another aspect of it. Like we're killing our world. You know, we're killing. I think we need to love the planet and heal the planet. And I know that's hippie dippy, but I think that's how we evolve. Back to your question.

[B]

Imagine if Jenna, Imagine if Jenna said, I want the world to burn. I want radioactive material to be spread on every elementary school I encounter. You know, like, you know, I say we call the week. That's what Jenna Hay says, call the week. That's how we move forward.

[A]

No, I say everybody smoke weed.

[C]

Hell yeah, smoke weed every day.

[B]

Jenna, you are literally the change the world needs. You are, you are changing your local area, which is a way, which is literally what needs to be done.

[A]

Thank you. You know, I really enjoy my job as a therapist. I enjoyed my job as an adult film star. I think that I, you know, a lot of people say, oh, well, you know, being an adult film star, that's not a big deal. And you don't really help people. But I have helped people. It's crazy how many people write to me and say, oh my gosh, like, you know, I'm in a wheelchair and I'm paralyzed and I've never had sex. But like your movies give me like, you know, know, and couples have written to me and been like, oh my gosh, like we created our child watching one of your movies. And like, you know, you hear all these awesome.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

You know, it is.

[B]

Porn properly applied, saves guys lives. Like legit, like in a fucked up way. It really can. In the same way, like comedy, we get messages like that people are like, oh, your calm based material has really saved me.

[A]

Here's people need to laugh. Okay? Laughing is one of the best things in the world. I love laughing and, you know, people need to laugh, be funny.

[B]

Jenna Hayes hates laughter. Jenna Hayes says eradicate joy. I gotta ask another opposite.

[A]

But everybody contributes to this world in their own way, you know, and they can bring inspiration, amusement, entertainment, whatever it is, healing in their own way. And that impacts humanity. You know, whether I was an adult film star or whether, whether, you know, I'm a therapist or now I'm getting more into mainstream acting, like all of these things are going to impact people in some way, you know.

[C]

All right, I got a therapist. You have a distinct. You can answer this question better than anyone else.

[B]

All right?

[C]

As a therapist, with the history that you have in adult films, how do you know if you're watching too many adult films? Like, how do you know if it's a problem. Like, how do you know if, like, you're addicted? Like, what. What is a good way to, like, find out? Do you think it's bad for people? Do you think it's good for people? I know it's a lot of question.

[A]

I think most things are okay for people in moderation. I think that the way to know if you're watching too much adult content is how is it impacting your health? How is it impacting your relationships, your work, your productivity, your hygiene?

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Things like that. And if you're also starting to become not. How do I say this right? If you're starting to have difficulty becoming aroused to, like, just the sight of a naked person or, like, your partner or things like that, and you're searching for more and more and more and more extreme things online that are starting to get into, like, questionable territory, I think that's when you realize, like, hey, you know, this might be a problem. Also if you're doing it all day. Like, how many tissue boxes are you going through?

[B]

You mean to say that it's not a good thing to shoot, to be the high treasurer of Goonington? These Gooners are everywhere, Jenna.

[A]

I hate that term. I really hate it.

[B]

Gooners up and down. They're everywhere. I see them everywhere.

[A]

It just reminds me of the Goonies. So, like, I just don't like that term.

[B]

It's not the Goonies, that's for certain. Unless it's Martha Plimpton. If Martha Plimpton starts Goonies, then it's then, actually, which could be interesting. I could see that film.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

I could see it. Thank you so much for talking to us today.

[C]

I really appreciate it. It's been a delight to meet you.

[B]

You're wonderful. Thank you for being in this movie.

[A]

I'm so excited.

[B]

I'm excited to begin this.

[A]

Yes, The Kickstarter is launched, or it's going to be launched soon. I'm not sure it will be.

[B]

By the time this is out, it will have launched. And then I will be attaching to the end the information that you will need to go to. To give me money.

[A]

I believe it's UFO dot movie, if I'm correct.

[C]

Look at that. Doesn't even exist yet. And she knows she's better than me.

[A]

We're very excited about this. I'm super psyched about it. You know, when you guys reached out, I was like, wow, this sounds like a really fun. I love comedy. I love alien stuff. I love scary stuff. Those are kind of the areas I Want to get into. In movies and mainstream. So this is perfect. And I think it's a fun project.

[B]

No, it's going to be awesome. Have you been to Atlanta before?

[A]

I have been to Atlanta. I used to dance there every year on my birthday.

[B]

Oh, where? Magic City?

[A]

No, at the Pink Pony.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Pink Pony. Oh, yeah. No, Atlanta, but Atlanta.

[C]

Is that what the song's about?

[B]

No. Chappelle Rowan is something else. Not that Pink Pony. It's about the same thing. Not in we. But it was the one in we. Yeah. Let's not do this, all right? This makes us look ancient. I was describing Chap Chapel Road. Is that the.

[C]

Is that what she's talking about?

[B]

The barn she went to with her kabuki pop music? What are they doing eating each other out in the front seat? You got to be paying attention to the road. All these girls need to be paying attention to the road. Oh, God. Jenna. Jenna.

[A]

Oh, we're gonna have fun on set. I can talk about it.

[C]

I believe it's gonna be a blast.

[B]

Go check out her stuff.

[A]

Yes. You can see me 24 hours a [e-mail] jennahayes the link tree link in my bio will take you to all of my recent interviews, my music videos that I did last year.

[B]

Because you direct and you do all of it, too.

[A]

Yeah. And I've been starring in music videos. I was just featured on an album cover for the band Death Heaven, which was really cool. I'm a very diverse individual. I've got my fingers into almost everything.

[C]

I love it.

[B]

That's so cool. So what a. What a wonderful, wonderful conversation.

[A]

Thank you. That was so fun. My cheeks hurt from smiling and laughing now. So good.

[C]

Good.

[A]

Yes. Now I'm gonna go smoke some weed with my neighbor.

[B]

No, go enjoy. Go enjoy. Thank you so much. I can't believe you didn't. Jenna, you could always do it, too. But, yeah, I'm gonna bring. When we go to. I'm gonna bring a bunch of weed.

[A]

It's legal, you know, legal.

[B]

If you're. If you are interested ever. I know this is ridiculous. Ask. We're going to be up in Humboldt.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

We're going to be doing a live show in Humboldt that we did this last year.

[C]

Oh, my. He walked away with an uncountable amount of weed.

[B]

I'm talking pounds of the best weed I've ever had in my life.

[C]

I'm still smoking it a year later. Like, it's sitting in my freezer.

[B]

Your freezer? Freezer, yeah. Freezer. And then he, we had his dog sitter picking it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And cutting it all.

[C]

Yeah. It was great.

[B]

Great.

[C]

A whole operation going.

[B]

You're going to like this. You're going to like our collaboration.

[A]

I think I'm going to enjoy this.

[B]

I'm going to bring you a pile of weed. You don't like it, do you? Are you a smoker or are you a vapor or you an edible person?

[A]

I'm a jointer, yes.

[B]

Great.

[C]

I will bring you a garbage bag over you're.

[B]

We're going to person same. We are going to going to flood you with some of the best weed ever. God, that's great to hear.

[C]

It's a perk.

[A]

Bring it on. My last name is Hayes for a reason.

[B]

Yeah, I know. I was praying. I thought I saw something. I was like, I think Jenna might be sober, but I was just like, for a second I thought you might be sober, but I was just like, I hope she smokes weed.

[A]

But only recreationally, of course. So.

[C]

Of course.

[B]

Well, yeah, it's not like you're doing it. I do it professional.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Thank you so much, Jenna.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

That's it. All right. And so obviously we're gonna be in contact. I'm gonna send you a bunch of. We're gonna be sending a new script and all that kind of. But we'll be in contact.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Bye.

[C]

Talk to you soon. Bye.

[B]

Hi, my name is Henry Zabrowski and you might recognize me from Last Podcast in the left or Adult Swims or Pretty Faces Going to Hell. Anyway, I'm here talking to you because I'm making a gun goddamn movie. It's time for me to make a movie about the most messed up alien abduction to ever happen. And it's the kind of movie they don't want you to see in the Cineplex. This is a raunchy sci fi comedy that tells the story of a man that he's abducted by aliens and it doesn't go well for him.

[D]

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