ADHD, Alzheimer’s & Life Lately

Summary

Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness

Episode: ADHD, Alzheimer’s & Life Lately

Date: April 7, 2026

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Overview:

In this candid and often hilarious episode of "Laugh Lines," Kim and Penn Holderness dive into the realities of aging, focusing on recent personal journeys—Kim’s late-in-life ADHD diagnosis, Penn’s family history and proactive approach to Alzheimer’s risk, plus broader reflections on parenting, marriage, and staying curious about oneself. Listeners hear laugh-out-loud stories, expert-backed health strategies, practical tips for neurodivergent adults, and genuine vulnerability about middle age transitions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction: Chaos, Change & Expectations of Aging

• Timestamps: [03:35] – [05:00]

• Kim reflects on hitting 50, expecting life to "calm down," but instead facing ADHD diagnosis, kids leaving home, and general busyness:

  • “I really thought by turning 50… we’d be entering a more peaceful era... Nope!” – Kim [04:10]
  • Penn reframes the chaos: “Do you really want life to calm down?” – Penn [05:21]

• Both agree that life remains busy, but realize they wouldn’t want it boring.

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2. Listener Laugh Line: Relatable Family Moments

• Timestamps: [06:55] – [07:52]

• Jessica from Michigan shares a story about taking a call from her college-aged daughter right after hitting a deer—perfectly illustrating distracted parenting.

  • “If my daughter calls, the world stops, deers—no more sadness.” – Kim [07:52]

• Emphasis on the show being a space for listener stories, not just questions.

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3. Women & ADHD: Late Diagnosis & Childhood Clues

• Timestamps: [07:59] – [16:27]

• Kim discusses receiving her ADHD diagnosis at 50, reading an email from Emily (diagnosed at 39), and the commonality of missed childhood symptoms, especially for women.

  • “I got one of those tickets from my doctor… I have a million things to say about women and late diagnosis.” – Email from Emily [07:59]
  • “There were signs.” – Kim, repeatedly [06:35], [16:50]

• Kim and Penn note that emotional dysregulation, outsized reactions, and a sense of justice were lifelong patterns.

  • “That’s one of the most consistent signs and challenges of having ADHD… and also one of the least talked about.” – Penn [09:28]

• Kim’s mom’s observations, and a touching read-aloud moment from their children’s book “All You Can Be with ADHD.”

Memorable Quotes:

"No one with ADHD likes the name ADHD. No one. If you do, call me." – Penn [12:27]
"It's bravery to get to this point. Right? Have you felt scared talking about this?" – Penn [14:53]
"I just have been so curious about how my brain works… but was given a diagnosis of anxiety. Now, looking at it through a lens of this diagnosis, it just explains, oh, this is how you were built." – Kim [15:03]

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4. Signs of ADHD: Everyday Experiences & Stigma

• Timestamps: [19:50] – [21:19]

• Kim describes “doom piles” (from Attitude magazine)—mounds of unorganized stuff caused by executive dysfunction.

  • “These piles represent overwhelming, delayed decisions. But this is one of those things... doesn’t everybody do that?” – Kim [20:55]

• Comedic but relatable “signs” segment; everyday habits reframed as possible ADHD traits.

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5. Navigating Relationships: ADHD, Love Languages & Admin Survival

• Timestamps: [22:17] – [23:47]

• The duo discusses how Penn’s love language (acts of service) helps Kim manage administrative tasks she struggles with due to ADHD.

  • “This is how love languages helped save our ADHD.” – Penn [22:17]
  • Kim’s therapist recommends 15 minutes of admin per day—she’s working on it.

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6. Embracing Hobbies & Hyperfocus

• Timestamps: [24:39] – [26:05]

• Kim reframes her shifting interests (triathlon, mahjong, pickleball, chess) as “curiosity, not shame” and “dabbling” as a valid adulthood pursuit.

  • “What’s wrong with dabbling?” – Penn [24:49]
  • “I’m a dabbler. I like to putter and dabble.” – Kim [24:51]

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7. Penn’s Alzheimer’s Prevention Journey

• Timestamps: [26:23] – [39:11]

• Penn shares his proactive strategy facing strong family history of Alzheimer’s (his mother in late-stage now), including:

  • Genetics: Double APOE4 gene carrier.
  • Medical interventions: Statins for cholesterol, Zetia, CoQ10 for muscle health, vitamin D supplementation.
  • Cutting-edge approach: Microdose of GLP-1 agonist (tirzepatide) based on emerging research, aiming to reduce risk of cognitive decline.
    • "If there is even the least amount of evidence that this might help...I personally am going to take it." – Penn [33:14]
    • "We're self-paying for this... but we decided this was worth it." – Kim [33:53]

Memorable Quotes:

“It’s the taking of your dignity part that is such and so unfair.” – Penn (on Alzheimer's) [36:39]
"If they said running 10 miles under the full moon worked, I would have you under a full... I would do practical witchcraft if they said so." – Kim [36:11]

• Open acknowledgment of privilege and the risk-taking/experimental nature in using GLP-1 off-label for Alzheimer’s protection.

Health Habits & Side Effects:

• Penn has started CrossFit to prevent muscle loss on GLP-1.
• Noted “barf burpee” feeling post-injection.
• Observing decreased alcohol cravings; “I don’t have the craving to drink as much alcohol anymore.” – Penn [37:30]

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8. Gen Z Slang of the Week: "Aura Points"

• Timestamps: [43:03] – [44:10]

• Kim introduces Gen Z’s “aura points”—gained or lost based on social vibe.

  • “You gain points for a smooth… you lose them for being awkward, embarrassing, or cringe.” – Kim [43:15]
  • Penn: “If there were goggles that showed aura points… it would be in the negative. It would be red.” [44:07]

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9. Parenting Teen/College Kids: Letting Go is Hard

• Timestamps: [44:10] – [45:19]

• Kim shares how emotional the transitions are when her daughter leaves for/returns from college.

  • "I made the mistake... walking her to security. It was awful... I started hiccuping, crying..." – Kim [44:27]

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10. Featured Segment: Penn Compliments Men

• Timestamps: [46:09] – [52:13]

• Penn reads listener-submitted stories, offering heartfelt and humorous compliments to men who are great partners, fathers, and creatives.

  • “Anthony, you have a beautiful head. You just seem like the kind of guy that if I ran into at a restaurant, we’d end up talking for at least 20 minutes...” – Penn [46:19]
  • “John... you’re a master of metal... you help keep things together for your wife, that’s unbelievable.” [47:08]
  • Shoutout to Dan, the creative parodist—Penn even sings his Star Wars parody and invites him to sing the credits.

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Notable, Memorable Moments

• Kim’s “there were signs” phrase as a running joke about undiagnosed ADHD throughout childhood.
• Penn reading a children’s book about ADHD to Kim as a way to explore adult diagnosis; both lighthearted and deeply validating.
• Listener stories providing comic relief and a sense of middle-aged, universal connection (“If my daughter calls, the world stops, deers—no more sadness.” [07:52])
• Candid health discussions highlight how proactive, vulnerable, and experimental aging gracefully can be.
• Playful banter between Kim and Penn (e.g., dabbling/dazzler/puttering) keeps things light even in heavier discussions.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Turning 50 & Life Transitions – [04:10]
• Listener Laugh Line – [06:55]
• Reading ADHD Book Segment – [12:50]
• Signs of Adult ADHD – [19:50], [21:19]
• Love Languages/Admin Tasks – [22:17]
• Hobbies/Dabbling – [24:39]
• Alzheimer’s Family Story – [26:23]
• Penn’s Prevention Protocol – [29:37]
• GLP-1 Experimentation Discussion – [32:27], [33:14]
• Gen Z Slang: Aura Points – [43:03]
• Compliments for Men Segment – [46:09]

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Tone & Language

The episode maintains its signature blend of humor, warmth, and medical geekery, with Kim and Penn poking fun at themselves while providing useful insights and comfort for listeners navigating similar midlife journeys.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

• Expect a compassionate, relatable take on complex topics such as ADHD, brain health, and the emotional rollercoaster of parenting older teens.
• Standout quotes and honest stories help reduce stigma while inspiring laughter and self-acceptance.
• The second half offers valuable, research-backed real talk on Alzheimer’s risk—and showcases how love, teamwork, and humor are critical tools for aging well, together.
• The community vibe shines through with listener stories and the “Penn Compliments Men” feature, wrapping up the episode with affirmation and encouragement for all.

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Note: Minor segments like ads, intro/outro, and non-content banter are omitted from this summary.

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Transcript

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

book I wrote for children that I'm now reading to my wife.

[Kim Holderness]

I just love to like putter. I just love any old lady word. I just love to putter.

[Penn Holderness]

It's Pen's journey Fighting Alzheimer's. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. What? Yeah, we get older every day. Got more wrinkles. That's okay. Yeah, we're laughing. When we age, life is like a comedy stage. And that's why we got flies.

[Kim Holderness]

Hey, everybody. I'm Kim Holderness.

[Penn Holderness]

And I'm Penn Holderness. And welcome to laugh Lines. If you went to a high school where there were seven Jennifers and the coolest one had a trampoline, this show's for you.

[Kim Holderness]

What about the Kimberlys?

[Penn Holderness]

If you went to a high school where there were seven Kimberlys and the coolest one had a swimming pool, this one's for you.

[Kim Holderness]

I had neither.

[Penn Holderness]

They both were. They both worked. Kimberly and Jennifer were.

[Kim Holderness]

We were big. If you. I had to be Kim D. Yeah. Yeah. I was Kim D. And I had

[Penn Holderness]

400 friends named Chris. But that's still the case. That one has stood the test of time.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. I really thought by turning 50 this season of life, we'd be entering a more peaceful era. I really thought. I really thought we were entering, like, this really calm type of time of life. But just for the record, in the last year, I was diagnosed with adhd, which is wild. My daughter went to college and is now finishing her first year. Wild roller coaster. Our son got his license, which when your baby has a license, it's just. It's just.

[Penn Holderness]

It's your favorite show.

[Kim Holderness]

It's my favorite show. I just watch the dot move everywhere. And you are so busy. You are fighting Alzheimer's like a toddler fighting bedtime. It is a topic of conversation in our house. Yeah. So today we have some life updates and maybe a few laughs.

[Penn Holderness]

Maybe the cliff note on the updates is we're busy.

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[Kim Holderness]

But also I really don't. You do this in life, though. You think, like, I'm gonna get to that when life calms down.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes.

[Kim Holderness]

And I have learned that life, in fact, never calms down. Is. Is this what it is until the end of time?

[Penn Holderness]

All right, I'm gonna. I don't want to blow your mind here, but do you really want life to calm down?

[Kim Holderness]

No, you're right. You're right, you're right. Yeah. I don't want to be. I don't like to be bored.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. I think you're kind of okay with all this stuff, like, you're enjoying. I'm not that you're okay with, like, being diagnosed with something, but, like, you like it when stuff is happening.

[Kim Holderness]

I do. I do, but I really. You know what it. Okay. It takes me a while to figure out, like, where I am mentally. I. You know what I think it is? I think I would understand myself better at this point. That's what Everybody who turns 50. You're like, I finally know myself now. There's like, a whole. It. It feels like I've entered Willy Wonka's, like, the crazy boat ride that's really trippy. And I'm like, oh, wait, no, this is what it is. And so there's, like, a whole new version of myself I'm trying to get to know.

[Penn Holderness]

You have discovered some new cool things about yourself this year, so I think you do know yourself better. There's this wild possibility that all of these things that you have been struggling with neurodivergently might all be explained by one simpler thing than, like, five more difficult things. So that's a journey that you're going down right now. Second of all, I don't know how out of left field this came.

[Kim Holderness]

There were signs.

[Penn Holderness]

There were. There were some signs.

[Kim Holderness]

Every day, we're saying there were some signs, you know, we should do first, because our podcast is called the Laugh Lines.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Should we. I think we were actually supposed to go to the Laugh Line.

[Penn Holderness]

Let's go to the Laugh Line.

[Kim Holderness]

Hi.

[Jessica from Michigan]

This isn't a question. My name is Jessica from Michigan. I just wanted to tell you I had a very relatable moment to one of your bits about taking a call from your college daughter. I hadn't heard from our youngest in about two weeks other than a random text here or there. So I gave her a call while I was driving home. She didn't pick up. I continued to drive. A deer ran into the side of my car. While I was processing that, my daughter called back and I immediately forgot about the deer and took the call. So, yes, I completely relate to that. Thank you for your contact. You are much appreciated during the transition for us.

[Penn Holderness]

And she drove home and her husband was like, why is there blood all over the front of the car? She's like, oh, crap. My daughter called and I hit a deer. Yes, that's, by the way, Laughline. They don't have to be questions. They can be stories. I love that story.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, my gosh.

[Penn Holderness]

I.

[Kim Holderness]

But yes, if my daughter calls, the world stops, dears. No more sadness. Gone.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. We got an email from Emily, which we also. We call that the laugh line. The subject line was yet another mama with adhd. I got one of those tickets from my doctor. Okay, explanation of that sentence. When I told everybody that I had adhd, there were some people that there were some resistance. Few people. They're like, no, that can't be it. That can't be it. And my therapist said, what are they afraid that, like, there's only so many ADHD tickets and if you get one, they can't have one? So she replied, I got one of those tickets from my doctor. I have a million things to say about women and late diagnosis. I just received mine last year at 39, but I should have known from all of my childhood report cards. Holy cow, were those teachers mean. And I actually felt kind of proud of my. My parents because even though they didn't help me recognize what was happening, they also didn't beat me up for not fulfilling my potential or making careless mistakes and not applying myself. I would say, my. My sweet mom, she was like, oh, my God, I feel bad. I didn't see something. I'm like, but for me, she's 39. I'm 50. 50. That wasn't a thing to even be aware of that, that long ago. And my mom did say again, there were signs. She's like, I just remember you having very outsized, outsized reactions to everything. A fight with a friend or not getting a grade or whatever. She just like, I just remember I felt like there wasn't much I could do to make you feel better. And like, like that tracks.

[Penn Holderness]

Which is one of the most consistent signs and challenges of having adhd and also one of the least talked about parts of it. It has always been, you're just crazy, jumping off the wall. It's not, man, when things are tough, they are really tough. Or vice versa. When they're. When you're happy, they're like, really, really euphoric.

[Kim Holderness]

So I think the way she was telling the story was. I think I got into an argument with a little friend and I was just out for days.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. So also the sense of justice, of, like feeling like you've been wronged, like, it's all in there. I mean, look, we. We together have written. We've got two books that have been published about ADHD that talk about those signs. We have a third children's book coming out, which is actually called get it done and have fun. It's actually on pre order right now if you want to get it. Very cool. Like, now that you know you've got adhd, it's like hacks and tips and tricks for how to get the boring stuff done. It can be useful for people with adhd, for people without it, for adults.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

It rhymes. It's got cool pictures. But I kind of. If it's okay.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

I would like to go back to our children's book, which is called.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, you have it here.

[Penn Holderness]

All you can be with adhd. So this book, a big part of this book is talking to kids or adults about some of the signs and some of the. The parts of your brain that maybe would explain why you have this diagnosis. Okay. And I know you're not a child, but I would love to. Do you mind if I go to this sort of. Sort of diagnostic section?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, I. It's funny. I have not reread that since.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

Getting my ticket.

[Penn Holderness]

First of all, for Sense of Justice, I want to know this. So, like, this is a big page in our book where it's got this sweet little girl and she's scared because of how scary the title ADHD is. Because one thing that happens, people with ADHD is they see attention deficit hyperactivity and disorder, and it feels like a lot of.

[Kim Holderness]

It feels like a lot. That doesn't exactly name what it is I'm feeling.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

First of all, let me just say I've been doing a lot and I'll. I'll keep you updated. Just trying to learn about my brain. And I'm like, well, I don't really hyper focus like Pen does, and you can hyper focus on an edit and you can be up here for eight hours. You won't eat, you won't pee. You. You are in like, you were in a trance. I don't do that. Mine all the time. Mine. And the example I've given is I. When we got the call to go in the Amazing Race, I'd watched most of the seasons already, but I rewatched every show, had a Google Doc had a. And it took me a month or so, and I detailed every type of task where they went wrong, all of these things. And she looked at me, she's like, that's not hyper focus.

[Penn Holderness]

Like, oh, also, the way that you read books.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

The way that you dance, the way that you go to dance class, it's stuff that you care about. Right. I don't think that you care about editing the way that I do. So, yeah, you absolutely have the ability to hyper focus. So check. You have that sense of justice. No one with ADHD likes the name adhd. No one. If you do call me. Love to hear it. I just, I don't think it's true. Okay, so you ready?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Here's the book I wrote for children that I'm now reading to my wife. Yes, it can be lonely. I've said to myself, why can't I be normal like everyone else? Sometimes we are squirmy. Sometimes we forgetful. We interrupt friends. That makes us regretful. Any of that tracking.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay. Yeah. Sometimes we have trouble listening to a friend. We'll space out on stories before they can end. Sometimes you work really hard at that.

[Kim Holderness]

I work I, I.

[Penn Holderness]

So you work super hard at that.

[Kim Holderness]

I work for I. It is very important to me that I'm a good listener.

[Penn Holderness]

And I think that at some point in your life, you, you hacked that. You said, look, I'm going to, I'm going to actively listen to this person. And that is something you can work on. Yeah. When things go wrong, we can get really sad and really frustrated and yes, even mad.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And I will say on the interrupting thing, I have realized that I have an urgency, especially when doing this podcast, to keep her moving. No, to jump in and to interrupt. And I just thought. So I was given the feedback when I was middle school, high school, that I was an interrupter and how rude it was. So that has been kind of. That has been something I've been working on since then. Because nobody wants to feel. Yeah, yeah. Nobody wants to feel like you're not listening to them. So I have been working on that for decades.

[Penn Holderness]

So to be honest, like, I'm really asking your childhood self about this because I think as I want to make this clear as an adult. You have really worked hard.

[Kim Holderness]

No, but my childhood.

[Penn Holderness]

These things. Yeah. And this is as, again, this is a, a, a story for books. And it's really hard for a kid with ADHD who has delays in all this executive functioning to have any of these skills. So you've done really? Well, thank you. So what's normal to others? It sometimes upsets us, and that can be lonely. Not everyone gets us. Did you feel that way? Do you still feel that way?

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, there were many moments. Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Do these sound familiar? The examples I gave? If you answer yes, you are so very brave.

[Kim Holderness]

So good.

[Penn Holderness]

You're so brave.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you, baby.

[Penn Holderness]

This is like. It takes bravery to get to this point. Right? Like, have you felt scared in talking about this?

[Kim Holderness]

Yes.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And I have always been the type of person. I want to know more about my brain. Always. That's why I went to the college counseling services. I'm like, oh, they're free. Let's go. I just have been so curious about how my brain works. Brain works. But I was. I was given a diagnosis of anxiety because. Oh, you just can't. You don't have capacity to handle this or this one thing happened. Therefore, you will always have this. Now, looking at it through a lens of this diagnosis, it just explains, oh, this is how you were built.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And you. There's things you can do around it, but it's not some sort of thing that you've brought on yourself.

[Penn Holderness]

It's still brave to admit it. I mean, it's. It's braver than getting haircuts in the dark. It's braver than feeding cupcakes to a shark. You're brave to admit that sometimes things are tough. But here's the good news. The real awesome stuff. Okay, so this is the part where we talk about the good side of adhd, and I feel like a lot of this applies to you too. Right?

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

Your brain is a source of great innovation. You have an amazing imagination.

[Kim Holderness]

Always have.

[Penn Holderness]

Kim. Those of you listening, if you think just because I'm singing the songs that I came up with, the ideas, they generally come from my wife's head, who is incredible at noticing things that are going on in the world and finding a creative way to, like, launch them.

[Kim Holderness]

To be clear, I have a lot of great ideas. I don't actually have the activation gene to follow through on them. That's where, like, Pen, I'm here for. Yeah. Something.

[Penn Holderness]

But together.

[Kim Holderness]

Together.

[Penn Holderness]

Yep. Yay.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you.

[Penn Holderness]

Was that okay? I know you don't like me. Like, we just talked about you a lot, but, like, we just kind of visited your inner child there a little bit. So there were signs.

[Kim Holderness]

There were signs. Maybe.

[Penn Holderness]

Maybe people didn't know what these signs were.

[Kim Holderness]

Right.

[Penn Holderness]

Right.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And I think my. My wild sort of moods that my poor mother had to endure over very small things. Even when I was. She wrote she did such a good job with our Christmas ornaments. And so she has boxes for them all. And she kind of wrote a story about, like when we found it, when we it out. One of them that hangs on her tree is Kimmy. I don't like that name. Kimmy made this in preschool. She forgot it. She cried so hard and threw such a fit. Basically she had to turn around, drive back and go pick it up. Like that day I was 4 years old. And that basically continued. Yeah, yeah. But there were signs is like the favorite new phrase in our house. And I just thought I'd share the signs because if you're listening, maybe it's something you identify with. I had no idea that these were signs of possible adhd. More on this after these words.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

That's betterhelp.com Holderness. I had no idea that these were signs of possible ADHD having doom piles everywhere. Do you know? Yeah, okay. From Attitude magazine, which is an incredible resource. Doom pile standing for didn't organize, only moved. I just called them doom piles because they literally give you a sense of doom. Yes. They're disorganized, massive collections of items common in people with ADHD caused by executive dysfunction, decision fatigue, and fear of losing items. These piles represent overwhelming, delayed decisions. But this is one of those things. I'm like, doesn't everybody do that? So in my doom piles is everything from bills I have to pay, checks to deposit. You know, like a birthday check from my dad. Like, I have to deposit that plus a T shirt I have to return to Amazon plus, like, it is like this. But I'm like, it's in one pile.

[Penn Holderness]

They're not organized in different silos. It's just one pile.

[Kim Holderness]

This is one pile. But I'll have like a doom pile in my office, a doom pile in my, my bedroom. So. But I'm like, I, when I get to it, I super get to it.

[Penn Holderness]

And then also, like, that pile stays there and the rest of the home around you, totally clean, immaculate. Like, you vacuum and do all of these things, they probably would take longer than. And it's, it's because that pile fills you with doom. Doom.

[Kim Holderness]

Also, there were signs. I was at south by Southwest in Austin. Pen was not there. I flew there on Delta's flying back on Southwest. And that at the time in Austin, the security lines were making national news hours. Long security lines. They were the first airport to kind of have that impact. But the TSA PreCheck and digital ID were still open. And if you had that combination of clearances, it's like a two minute line. I didn't realize you have to file that with each airline. I was like, babe, I can't. I called you. I was like, I can't figure this out. I don't know what it is. He logs into my account and he's like, oh, it's because you bought a ticket with the wrong name, the wrong TSA PreCheck number. I had everything wrong. And he just, he just sort of giggles. He's like, there were signs. So he fixed that for me and I asked him, I'm like, but you have adhd. Like you're, I mean, I'm not good at details. How are you so good at details?

[Penn Holderness]

This is wild. We're going to move sort of away from ADHD and more into like relationships. This is how Love languages helped save our ADHD. We know about ADHD's interest based nervous system, right? Like you're in, you're interested in things that are challenging or new or novel and that are, are of personal interest, right? Adhd, you have an executive functioning issue and getting all those things done, dates of birth, paperwork, any of that stuff, it's that nobody like, for the most part particularly cares about that. However, if you're a human and your love language is acts of service, which mine is, right, Then your partner can really show love and receive love by helping you out with that. Right? So what I learned was if I gave you acts of service by correcting

[Kim Holderness]

my name on the thing, entering paperwork

[Penn Holderness]

and just doing all that, you give me personal touch, which is my love language. Ecosystem.

[Kim Holderness]

It's a transaction, essentially.

[Penn Holderness]

Transactional ecosystem. No, not necessarily personal touch or I, I can tell that you love me when I do these things for you. And nothing makes me happier than telling that, being able to tell that you love me. And so for that reason I do the paperwork.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, yes, there were signs I have to say in therapy and I'm going to update you guys. I was given the task of doing like a 15 minute a day sort of admin. Just set a timer and just do 15 minutes a day of that sort of admin stuff. And I did it, I would say two out of the four days so far we've been a little busy. And that's the first thing off my list. I want to make that a bigger habit. Another thing I've learned about myself, the hobbies. I just think I've reframed this because I was super hyper focused. I mean, 10 years ago it's of triathlons and then mahjong and then pickleball, and now it's chess. And dance has been lifelong, so that'll stick. I think I'm just wildly curious about a lot of things. I'm not going to shame myself into thinking I can't actually stick with something.

[Penn Holderness]

There's no, there's no shame with that. There is like there is the ADHD stigma that you were referring to that we start hobbies and we don't finish them and what's wrong with dabbling?

[Kim Holderness]

I'm a dabbler.

[Penn Holderness]

Right.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm a dabbler. I like to putter and dabble. Yeah, I like to putter around my house and dabble in things.

[Penn Holderness]

You're a dabbler and you're a dazzler.

[Kim Holderness]

I was a dazzler at the University of Florida but mostly a like, like dole dabble. Any, any sort of dazzler.

[Penn Holderness]

You're a dabbling dazzler who dawdles.

[Kim Holderness]

I just love to like putter. I just love all, any old lady word of like. I just love to putter. Yeah. I can spend the full day just puttering.

[Penn Holderness]

Is this a good time to bring up again the Facebook ADHD hobby Facebook group or like that basically is for people with adhd. I can't really have to look up just Google ADHD Hobby Facebook group. But it's pretty awesome because it's a place that you can like easily exchange.

[Kim Holderness]

Like I can give like chess set. I mean, yeah, thing. No, I, no, no, I'm sorry.

[Penn Holderness]

Got off to a good start.

[Kim Holderness]

I got off to a good start. I was doing like 15 minutes a day of chess lessons cuz I refused to let my husband teach me and I, I, I, I've just been busy. I'm, I'm going to get back. I haven't abandoned it yet. Okay. I will say I'm actively learning and my new hyper focus is learning about my brain and women's brains, specifically with adhd because quite frankly it's very different from your is my current hyperfocus obsession. So stay tuned. And here's the part where Sam asked, how do we segue into this next part? What do I put on the screen? We are just going to put on the screen right now segue.

[Penn Holderness]

No, wait, what, what's the next thing?

[Kim Holderness]

It's about you with your updates on Alzheimer's.

[Penn Holderness]

Let's do it. Let's do a jingle.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. A jingle pen.

[Penn Holderness]

It's Pen's journey fighting Alzheimer's. I'm allowed to do it. He's allowed about to tell you why

[Kim Holderness]

he's allowed to do it. We've done several podcasts about our commitment to your cognitive health, your mother's and late stages of Alzheimer's. Mary Holderness is still fighting, still kicking. Well, you laugh when you say that, but it is. She is a medical marvel.

[Penn Holderness]

So. So they're in her home. She's been in hospice for years. Maximum amount. Right? Because there's a certain amount of weight loss and cognitive decline that means like, it's happening. And it also gets to the point where, like, they call the family and they say, okay, it's time, and they put a butterfly in the door. It's a very sweet, polite way to say it's her time. And that butterfly has been on the door three times. And it's at the point now where shamefully, like, we get the call now, and my brother and I are like, I just saw. She seems over, but she seems fine. She's.

[Kim Holderness]

That seems heartless. You do go all the time. And if they called and said the butterflies up again, you would race over.

[Penn Holderness]

That's. No, I. Yeah, no, it's. It's mostly like when we're out of town and we get it, we. We try to get home. And we have gotten home. I've missed. I've missed some important events. She's just. She's just confounding the medical model. And it's pretty awesome. Cognitively, she's not there. Physically, she's lost a ton of weight. It is. They're keeping her comfortable and they're taking great care of her. And that's the one fantastic respite. But I've watched. I watched my dad die slowly. I watched my mom die even slower. And so that's where this journey started. It started about. About a year ago when we started talking to doctors about, like, is there something you could do about it? And the answer seems to be no, but the answer really is yes.

[Kim Holderness]

The. The pop culture answer is no. These are your genes.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

But I think doctors now are. Are challenging that. And we've met several doctors who believe just because genetically signs are, you're predisposed, but there are some things you can be doing. And that's today's important update.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

So what are you doing?

[Penn Holderness]

So, real quick, I have twin copies of the APOE4 gene. It is. You can look that up and very quickly see that it, like 10x is your chances of getting Alzheimer's if you live the same lifestyle as a. As the person next to you who's being studied. Right. What we learned very quickly through Dr. Richard Isaacson is that the APOE4 gene, which is the strongest genetic risk factor for Alzheimer's, plays a critical role in your body's dysfunction or inability to absorb cholesterol. Right. So cholesterol has a. Huge. Plays a huge factor for those people who have that APOE4 gene, which is like a lot of people with Alzheimer's. So the first thing he did was he put me on a statin. Right.

[Kim Holderness]

For cholesterol, because your cholesterol was high.

[Penn Holderness]

So, and here's the thing that you know about APOE 4s is your HDL is high and your LDL is high. They're both high. And a lot of physicians will say you're fine, like this is high, but this is high because this causes a problem and this carries it away. So you're just. But if, if they're both high, it really is an absorption issue. And that kind of cholesterol may not lead to heart disease, but it, it does wildly increase the risk. Risk of getting amyloid in the brain, which is plaque, which is Alzheimer's. Got it. So I'm on a statin.

[Kim Holderness]

Have you been re. Has your cholesterol been retested? Is it lower?

[Penn Holderness]

Yes. So I was in the red, red line, red for both. I'm now in the yellow, almost in the green.

[Kim Holderness]

Wow.

[Penn Holderness]

After just a few months of taking just the Crestor, which is Rovastatin, and then he added Zetia because he, Dr. Isaacson, and he is, he's the guy to ask about it. And a lot of other doctors have been like, why is that? And you'll probably do it too. This guy knows what he's doing. Zetia handles the, I guess that particular facet of cholesterol that affects the brain. And so I'm on both. They're both very small doses. And then I'm taking something called CoQ10, which is supposed to manage the supplement. Yeah, the muscle stuff. And then apparently, like, oddly, as this all happened, my vitamin D was low.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, that's important. So by the way, this is not a podcast in which we are giving medical advice. We're talking about what Pen is taking, not what you should take.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. So it gets interesting after that. So those were all things recommended by a doctor. Meanwhile, I got information from Dr. Eric Topol and Dr. Isaacson that there are early, early tests with GLP1s, micro doses of GLP1s and the ability for that to either slow the cognitive decline or nip it in the butt before it even happens.

[Kim Holderness]

The theory being, and what they're testing and what tests have showed is that it's reducing some inflammation. Of course, the long term studies are a way out. Dr. Topol's doing a first of its kind study where he's actually studying the amounts that are beneficial and this. But studies. So we hear this and we're reading preliminary studies, we're reading all this stuff and there's not been shown significant harm from these drugs. So me being an impatient wife wanting my husband's brain to, you know, I want him to know my name. In 20 years, I pushed you basically to seek out a prescription for a GLP1 you are not overweight at all. You wouldn't. So this would be a. You got a prescription basically for a microdose of GLP1 hoping that this actually works to stave off Alzheimer's.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Doctors. The doctors are like, I guess if you want to. But like, are you. I mean like, let's take care of other stuff too. And I said I'm going to do this. And yes, you were very firm with your feelings about wanting to do this as well. Very small dose. So I got a prescription for. It's called tirzepatide and it's 1.25mg or.025ml, which is when they send you. Like when Eli Lilly sends you the dose and you ask for the smallest dose. It's not even that, it's half of that and you take it once a week. So I'm on a glp. Let's start with that. I can't imagine again, bring it on. Say, like, say whatever you want to about this. I'm not saying that you should do this. I'm saying I have a ticking time bomb in my head which is the APOE4 gene. And if there is even the least amount of evidence that says that this might help it, it. I don't care. Like it's a risk that I'm going to, that I personally am going to take. It's such a small dose that it's actually more affordable than. Than you would think that it is.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, and that's another thing. Like let's just call it out. Like we are privileged enough to be. We. It's not covered by insurance. This, this use of it. And so you are. We are self paying this. But we decided that this was worth. Like, let's not go out to dinner a few times. It's like, let's focus on this.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And. And that's what our family decided to do.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. This is just me.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. So how do you. Your weight hasn't really changed.

[Penn Holderness]

No, it's been redistributed. Like a little bit of my bread back's gone and, and explain to people what your bread. My bread back is that weird area in between your back and your butt that becomes a higher butt that goes above your waistline.

[Kim Holderness]

It's like a muffin top.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, a little bit of a muffin top, but a Rear muffin top. I'm like, noticing like, a little more six package in this.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

Then. Then like six pack did this, then then usual.

[Kim Holderness]

Take it off. Take it off.

[Penn Holderness]

Um, that also may have less to do with that and more to do with, like, as part of my battle. As soon as I started taking a glp, the thing that people are most concerned about is losing muscle mass. So I've gotten like, full on back into CrossFit, right? So I'm doing twice the weight training that I did before I started taking a glp because I feel like that's necessary and so that might just be what's happening.

[Kim Holderness]

And you're. I feel like you're. It's such a small amount. I feel like you're eating the same amount.

[Penn Holderness]

I mean, yeah, I am, but, like, that's like on the days that you take it. The first couple of days, I get so burpee. Like, like barf burpee, like in. At night. It's like, because it slows down your digestion. And so if. If I eat, I've got to do it like, early in the day because I loved food and I. And I don't have the same cravings, but this is weird. I'm feeling like I need to eat. Like, I should eat because I don't want to wilt away. I've got some friends who, who are my age who have started taking the same medication in, like, larger doses because they were overweight and they look fantastic. But, like, I see them and I'm like, you're not doing the weight training. Like, I can tell and they're my age and like, that's such an important thing. So, yeah, I think I've lost a couple of pounds, but most of it is still there. Again, I probably sound crazy to people, and there's going to be a lot of comments saying, like, don't. Don't tell people to do this. I'm not telling anybody to do this. I'm telling people if you have the genetic component, it's something to look into, which is a very small per. It's less than 1% of the population.

[Kim Holderness]

At least 2%. I thought it was 2% of the population had it. It. I would say if they. If they said, if you have the double APOE 4 gene and running 10 miles under the full moon worked, I would have you out under a full. Like, I would do practical witchcraft if they said so. This just seems like it's so.

[Penn Holderness]

I mean, it's so early. The testing is early. You don't like if, if I grow an extra arm out of, out of my, the middle of my chest.

[Kim Holderness]

Carry more stuff for me.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, I don't carry more stuff for you. I just like y', all, I, I don't know how to describe the feeling of seeing your parents develop this. Know that it's coming because their parents had it. Be fully aware that it's coming and still once it comes, taking so much of their judgment and their dignity away from them that they're not able to acknowledge. I should have seen this coming. So it's, it's the taking of your dignity part that is such and so unfair. And so, yeah, like, maybe I jumped the gun. I'll let you know if you want to stick with me. Yeah, I'll share more of this journey with you. And if I grow an extra arm, I'll be able to hold more beers, which I'm drinking fewer of now, by the way. That's one of the big things.

[Kim Holderness]

Really?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. So like I just, there's. And maybe that again, like my weights, like I'm looking and feeling more fit. I don't know if it's the actual drug happening or the fact that like I don't have the craving to drink as much alcohol anymore.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. So I also feel as if, first of all, it's all over the news, you know, the different. There's commercials for different types of these. I honestly don't understand the difference. But they're everywhere and they have. There are so many studies about GLP1s and like now menopause symptoms, things like that. I, I feel like there's going to be a time where everybody has kind of handed. It's like a vitamin you take.

[Penn Holderness]

Maybe, maybe, maybe not. I mean, dude, people were said that smoking helped you with stuff.

[Kim Holderness]

Are you trying to say that you feel like this is going to be the next cigarettes?

[Penn Holderness]

I don't know. Here's where I don't like, I hope not like, it's probably not cigarettes, but there's, there's stuff that we've been wrong about medically.

[Kim Holderness]

But, but this drug has been used for people with diabetes for a long time. For a long time. Here's where I, here's where I get some sense of comfort. Is Dr. Eric top, who we've tried to adopt personally into our family. He is so grumpy in a hilarious way about any medicines or. He believes in medicine. He's like a world class doctor and leading, but he wants research. And so his only pause about you doing this is like, let me finish the research that's going to take so long. He says that these GLP1s or whatever are like the best in class medicines he's ever seen. So that's the only reason because like,

[Penn Holderness]

I, I know I'm doing the right thing for my brain. I am. Like, the digestion part is interesting. I'm probably, someone's probably gonna be like, penn, stop eating so much. Your stomach can't handle it. My body's telling me that now. It's very new and it's like things have gotten better because I've, I've done less of that.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, well, thanks for the update.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

More on this after these words.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

to whiplash you into another segue. Let's do what Gen Zers are saying. Today's Gen Z slang is Aura points meaning spell.

[Penn Holderness]

Please can I have the spelling A

[Kim Holderness]

U R aura meaning gaining or losing points based on the energy or vibe you give off. You gain points for a smooth or impressive action. You lose them for being awkward, embarrassing, or cringe to use in a sentence. She tried to open the door by pushing instead of pulling. Negative 100 aura points.

[Penn Holderness]

I have heard this before.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes.

[Penn Holderness]

I've never heard it so well laid out right there. But I will admit I did something recently and my son looked at me and he didn't say. He didn't say you gained aura points. He Just said aura points. Like a nondescript number of aura points. And I was, like, happy.

[Kim Holderness]

What he has said to me is just negative aura with no points.

[Penn Holderness]

Just.

[Kim Holderness]

No, I'm just in the negative. Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

So if. If you could see us, if there was, like, some goggles we could put on that would show the number of aura points.

[Kim Holderness]

It would be in the negative. It would be red.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

It would be red. Oh, PC, our kids. Speaking of gen zers, Lola is coming home from college soon. Or Gen Z, it seems early. I know. I'm like, don't you have.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, a lot of money? Shouldn't they stay, like, the normal school year for this whole thing?

[Kim Holderness]

I will say I was not prepared for how hard the transition from Christmas break to the spring semester would be. I got so used to her being home. And then I made the mistake. We all, as a family, walked her into the airport to the security line, which you just should not do. It was awful. I started hiccuping, crying, and Penn, who's so sweet, brought sunglasses for me, and he put sunglasses. I was not expecting it. So I'm almost. I'm so excited for her to come home, but I know I'm gonna get so attached to her being there, so I'm almost, like, cringing again for my future self.

[Penn Holderness]

And you're not mocking her through security?

[Kim Holderness]

I no longer walk her to see her.

[Penn Holderness]

You're no longer waiting with the sign?

[Kim Holderness]

No.

[Penn Holderness]

When she first came home, we did the whole thing.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, for her first time home, we did a sign and balloon stuff, but after that, no. We're picking you up at baggage claim.

[Penn Holderness]

Can't wait to see you, Lola.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. Finally. Okay. Our producer, Ann Marie Tapke, is going to drop kick us to the curb if we don't do this segment that she has put at the bottom of our last seven podcasts. Ten podcasts.

[Penn Holderness]

You know what? We're actually out of time. Sorry. It's time to say thanks for joining us on Laugh Lines. Next week, we will absolutely be complimenting men.

[Kim Holderness]

Actually, Pen is going to say I have a dermatologist appointment, and this is my yearly appointment that takes, like, a year to get.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

Where they look at all my moles and I'm very pasty and white. And every time I go, say hi to her. Yeah. Every time I go, they take like a melon baller to me. So I have to go. Pen is going to wrap this podcast by complimenting men because. Come here, meet me here. I think it's so important that men learn how to be Vulnerable. And I think they need to learn how to say. It starts with learning how to say nice things about other men, right?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

So this is what this segment is. You guys have sent us in really nice things about your men's. And Penn's gonna read them out loud, and I'm gonna go to the dermatologist. I love you guys. Bye.

[Penn Holderness]

Bye, babe. It's time for pen compliments. Men. So you guys sent me pictures of. It's. By the way, thank you. The first time we did this, you sent pictures of your husband, but not his name. So I want to thank you for giving more information. Okay, first of all, we have Anthony. Anthony, this was sent by your wife, Aaron. He's an awesome equal partner, and they have been married for 33 years. Anthony, it is so important to be an equal partner to your wife, Right? If she feels you're being equal, that means you're working really hard. Because the theory of relationships is when you feel like you're giving 75%, you're actually only giving 50%. So, Eric, you probably feel like you're giving 75%, but you made it to that 50%, which is fantastic. So well done. I can tell by the picture that you are a joy to be around. I gotta. Like, this is a compliment, okay? Because I love Star Trek. I thought you were Jean Luc Picard when I first looked at this picture. Because of that shirt that you're wearing. It's just like if you look at Next Generation, that's exactly what Jean Luc Picard was wearing. You also have a beautiful head, just like Patrick Stewart. I. I've always thought Patrick Stewart had the most beautiful head of anybody in television. I was like, man, if I had a head like that, I would shave my hair and I would just go bald. I don't. I look like Beaker from the Muppets. When I shaved my head. I did it once in college. I'll never do it again. But, Anthony, you have a beautiful head. You just seem like the kind of guy that if I ran into at a restaurant, we would end up talking for at least 20 minutes, and we might irritate our wives that we would become instant friends. So, Aaron, thanks for sending that in. Anthony, you're awesome. Next up, we have John, submitted by his wife. Heidi says John is an amazing husband and father. I have a crazy schedule, and he keeps it all rolling when I'm at the hospital. Nights and weekends and everything in between. He's also a metal sculptor. That's amazing. Oh, my gosh. So, John, my Cousin Nancy B. Was a metal metallurgy major at the University of Georgia, and we used to always call her a master of metal. So you can have that if you want to call yourself a master of metal. Okay, so this picture, I like just getting the aura from the picture. You're wearing sunglasses inside, which means you're not afraid to be funny and just to be yourself. Like, you've got. Oh, he's got the. But you know what he's got? He's got the. The veins on his biceps. That means. That means he either runs or he works out. And that's a good look. For some reason, I can only get. I've been working out my whole life. I got no vein on this side, and I got a huge vein on this side. And I don't understand it, but you got veins on both sides. So I'm a little bit jealous of that, by the way, like, helping keep things together and keeping it all rolling. For your wife, that is super important, and I'm glad that she brought that up because, yeah, like, life throws you a lot of curve balls, and if you have a partner who's able to kind of roll with that, that's unbelievable. Finally, we have Dan. Dan, your wife Katrin sent. You sent this picture. Dan is incredibly talented and creative. He also creates music and musical parodies. His most successful one is a Princess Leia's stolen Death Star plans, which is a remake of sergeant Pepper telling the story of Star Wars. We're gonna have to stop what we're doing now because this is on YouTube and it's apparently got one point views. Dan, you can sing. So let the record show. I think he composed this all himself because he just did a mashup of Luke's theme. Hang on. Two part harmony. No, three part harmony. Princess Leia. Stolen. Princess Leia stolen. Princess Le Stolen. Health Stop Plans. Dan, how am I just now seeing this? So, Dan, you just seem. You know what? You seem like the kind of guy that I could sit next to on a Lazy Boy for nine hours and talk about Star Wars. I also would love to play music with you because you have, like, a really good knack for timing. Your parody shows that you have a good knack for humor and you have a knack for creativity. The only drawback is that if the cat tried to sit on me, I would have a sneezing attack because Dan's got a cat with him. That's all. But, like, dude, well done. Also, want to add, by the way, Dan, I've just been talking about you. Your wife did say you were the sweetest, smartest, kindest person that she knows and is her biggest cheerleader. We got some good men out there. I don't know if they listen to our show. I know their wives do. But you guys are also welcome here as well. Thank you so much for joining me and Kim's empty chair for Laugh Lines. I'm glad that she made it to the dermatologist on time. So this is normally where we read the credits. Here's the thing. Never done this before. Anne Marie gave me this idea. I usually read the credits in like a different format every single week. I would like to reach out to Dan and see if he will read the credits for us or better yet, sing the credits for us. For this week on Laugh Lines, Dan will challenge Challenge accepted. Let's find out. Laugh Lines is written and produced by Kim Holderness, Penn Holderness and Ann Marie Tapke. Original music that you hear, except for the stuff currently in your ears, is by Penholderness. Laugh Lines is filmed, edited and live produced by Sam Allen and hosted by acast. As always, we'd love to hear from you. Please write to us at podcastheholdernessfamily.com or leave a voicemail at 323-364-3929 and we'll talk to you soon on the Laughline.

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[Penn Holderness]

Oh no. My coffee brawny here. New brawny 3 ply is now more absorbent.

[Kim Holderness]

Wow. Got a clean shirt.

[Penn Holderness]

Do you wear plaid? Some of the strongest.