Advice for Gen Z From Your "Golden Girls"

Summary

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Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness

Episode: Advice for Gen Z From Your "Golden Girls"
Date: October 28, 2025
Hosts: Kim & Penn Holderness

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Overview

In this lively episode, Kim and Penn Holderness embrace their identities as the "Golden Girls" for Gen Z, delivering heartfelt advice and nostalgic reflections on aging, growing up, and what they wish they knew in their teens, twenties, and thirties. Drawing on their signature humor and candid storytelling, the couple combines funny anecdotes with poignant life lessons, aiming to help younger listeners (and their own peers) age boldly, joyfully, and with a sense of community. The episode also features listener call-ins, a modern spin on QVC ("As Seen on TikTok"), and plenty of candid insights into relationships, self-acceptance, and the enduring importance of friendship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "Golden Girls" for Gen Z (01:46 – 06:00)

• Kim & Penn realize they have a surprising number of young listeners:
  • Kim recounts meeting a tween at a book signing whose Holderness Family Podcast knowledge now informs her parents’ arguments.
    • "So basically, like, we are the Golden Girls for these kids." (05:31 – Kim)
• Reflecting on their own ages vs. the Golden Girls of the 1980s:
  • Kim shares that the original actresses were in their early-to-mid 50s—making Kim herself nearly a "Golden Girl" intern at 49.
• Modern "Golden Girls":
  • Discussion of women planning to cohabitate in later years, and how attitudes have shifted since the '80s.
    • Kim: "If God forbid, our partner were to predecease us... I only intend on living in a house with other women." (06:18)
• Fun segment visualizes 1980s vs. modern aging:
  • Penn is amused at seeing himself "Golden Girl-ified," and they laugh about how perceptions of aging have shifted.

2. Gender & Aging: Cohabitation, Remarriage, and Friendship (14:12 – 19:20)

• Longstanding female friendships after 50:
  • Kim shares a heartfelt (and humorous) view: "You are the last man I will ever live with." (16:44)
  • Penn unpacks how men and women face aging differently, especially in terms of loneliness and the urge to remarry.
• Male vs. female perspectives on later-life living:
  • Men, Penn suggests, are more likely to remarry, while women often seek community or independence.
  • The couple jokes about future living arrangements, with Kim favoring a "tiny house compound" of girlfriends.
    • Kim: "There's something beautiful about, like, female friendships." (17:03)
    • Penn: "I don't think men can handle being alone...the loneliness kind of sneaks up and gets you." (17:35)

3. Imparting Wisdom: Advice to Their Younger Selves

(21:00 – 44:00)

High School

• Kim's advice:
  • "Do not lose sleep over the boy who’s peaking in high school. You do not want to be the person who's peaking in high school." (21:58)
• Penn on bullies and personal growth:
  • "Bullies aren't going to grow up to be the people you think they're going to grow up to be." (23:05)
  • Describes meeting former bullies who’d changed: "They were both so kind when I saw them...I just never thought the bullies were going to grow up to be just like me." (24:47)
• On awkwardness and appearance:
  • Kim embraces her bad 90s perm (“It's going to build some character...” 25:55).
• Penn to his teenage self:
  • "Don't be afraid to talk to girls, teenage Pen. Don't be afraid. They're lovely." (27:08)

Early Adulthood (20s)

• Money struggles and perspective:
  • Kim: "Most of my 20s, I only had, like, $17 in the bank...” (31:06)
  • Penn: "Keep doing what you're doing. You may be broke, but you're happy." (31:31)
• Social comparison & self-perception:
  • Kim: "You look great. I know you feel a little fat right now...just enjoy it." (29:03)
  • Penn: Reminisces about being taunted for being skinny, highlighting how every era has its own impossible standards (30:29).
• Facing the challenges of your 20s:
  • Kim recalls: "Being in your twenties is so hard. It's so confusing...You're questioning everything." (32:22)

30s

• Mental health and parenting:
  • Kim: "Take the medicine. I had babies in my 30s, man. Postpartum was so hard...I wasted so much time." (37:10)
  • She also urges new moms not to beat themselves up over breastfeeding struggles.
• Prioritizing old passions:
  • Penn advises: “Start writing music again. You love it. Just do it...it's the happiest that I am." (39:09)
• No one really knows what they’re doing:
  • Kim: “No one—this actually stands for right now, too—nobody actually knows what they're doing...just take the next right step.” (40:37)
• Penn’s relationship tip:
  • "My job is not to be her hero. My job is to be witness to her story and to be her hype man." (41:40)
  • Kim notes how hard it is to not jump to solutions but just listen—especially as a parent to an adult child.

4. The "As Seen on TikTok" Segment (48:22 – 51:47)

• Modern Shopping Nostalgia:
  • Kim draws a parallel between her QVC obsession as a kid and the TikTok Shop trend:
    • "If you open up TikTok right now, it's like QVC. All it is is like...people trying to sell you things.” (45:34)
• Kim’s latest TikTok-inspired purchase:
  • Demonstrates a vibrating exercise plate that’s all over TikTok. Honest review:
    • "If you're gonna buy this to, like, lose 10 pounds in two weeks...those people are lying. That is not what happens." (51:19-51:43)
• They reflect on online shopping temptations and product gimmicks.

5. Listener Laugh Line Call-Ins (52:47 – End)

(A) ADHD, Books & Impact

• Hilary from Ohio shares how Kim & Penn's children’s book on ADHD helped her son:
  • "I thought I was the only one who felt this stuff. It explains so much. It explains why I get angry. It explains why I interrupt people." (53:05 – Hilary)
  • Penn: "That's the bravest thing you've ever done or said." (54:12)

(B) Tech Talk: The Clapper & Alexa

• Pam suggests swapping the 1980s Clapper for smart bulbs with Alexa.
  • Penn and Kim laugh about their suspicion toward "fandangled" smart home gadgets and technology’s generational divide.

(C) Musical Challenge

• Michelle calls in with a whistled “Name That Tune”:
  • Penn immediately recognizes and sings: "Don't You (Forget About Me)" (57:56)
    • “Michelle’s a good whistler.” (58:00)

6. Reflective Close

• Kim and Penn express their deep appreciation for their audience and the emotional connections forged through their content.
• The episode closes playfully—Kim ribbing Penn about modern technology, gender roles, and the joys (and absurdities) of growing older together.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kim: "You are the last man I will ever live with. I intended it to be sweet." (16:44, 16:52)
• Penn: "The loneliness kind of sneaks up and gets you." (17:35)
• Kim: "Do not lose sleep over the boy who’s peaking in high school." (21:58)
• Penn: "Bullies aren't going to grow up to be the people you think they're going to grow up to be." (23:05)
• Kim: "Take the medicine. I had babies in my 30s, man. Postpartum was so hard." (37:10)
• Penn: "My job is not to be her hero. My job is to be witness to her story and to be her hype man." (41:40)
• Kim (on TikTok gadgets): “If you're gonna buy this to, like, lose 10 pounds in two weeks...those people are lying. That is not what happens.” (51:41)
• Hilary (caller): "This book is amazing. I didn't know I was...the only one who felt this stuff." (53:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:46 – "We're the Golden Girls for Gen Z!"
• 06:18 – Women envisioning later-life communities together
• 14:12 – Gender differences in aging, loneliness, and companionship
• 21:00 – Beginning of “Advice to My Younger Self”
• 23:05 – Penn on meeting his bullies again
• 31:06 – 20s financial struggles
• 37:10 – Kim on postpartum and the importance of medication/self-care
• 41:40 – Penn on being a supportive partner, not a hero
• 45:34 – Nostalgia and social media shopping (“QVC” to TikTok Shop)
• 48:22 – “As Seen on TikTok” segment (exercise gadget)
• 52:47 – Listener call-in on ADHD and book feedback
• 54:46 – Tech: from Clapper to Alexa
• 57:42 – Musical whistling challenge: "Don't You (Forget About Me)"

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Tone & Style

• Warm, irreverent, self-deprecating, and generous—balancing heartwarming vulnerability with playful banter.
• Kim and Penn shift easily between serious advice and lighthearted ribbing, making their insights feel both approachable and deeply relatable.

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For Listeners

• This episode is a multi-generational treat: both a celebration of aging and a sincere effort to guide young people through life's confusing stages.
• Whether you’re a member of Gen Z, a new parent, or a fellow “Golden Girl” in training, Kim & Penn offer laughter, solidarity, and encouragement to age boldly and connect deeply—with ourselves and each other.

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Transcript

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So basically, like, we are the Golden Girls.

[A]

Oh, now I'm dead. Okay, this show's going crazy. Your heart is true, you're a pal and a k confidence.

[B]

And I have to show you something I bought off of TikTok.

[A]

This is the new QVC.

[B]

He would try to flirt with Alexa.

[A]

Yeah, he would.

[B]

Alexa, you're so good at this.

[A]

You know, you're just lovely. Alexa. Yeah, we get older every day. Got more wrinkles.

[B]

That's okay.

[A]

Yeah, we're laughing. When we age, life is like a comedy stage. And that's why we got D flies.

[B]

Hey, everybody, I'm Kim Holderness.

[A]

And I'm Pen Holderness. And welcome to Laugh Lines.

[B]

If you remember writing several drafts of a term paper on loose leaf paper and then handing it in to her teacher for a first draft, and then she gave you notes and then you had to rewrite the entire thing by hand on loose leaf paper. If you remember that, you're our people. Welcome home.

[A]

I do remember that. And it's. I'm realizing now that. Do people even write in school anymore? Any. Anything other than math? Like math. They write on a tablet now, too, it seems.

[B]

At our son's school, they are writing on a tablet in the way. It is just bizarro to me how. How that works.

[A]

What's the handwriting of the future going to look like?

[B]

I don't think we have it. I don't. Because you would just think it and it appears on a page. I think that's what's happening now, right?

[A]

Oh, good, great.

[B]

Like, sorry, I didn't read the sound of. Oh, good, great. Okay. Anyway, we are back home and so happy to be home after promoting our first children's book, all you can be with ad. We got on the road, we got to meet you. It was so wonderful. I think we talk a lot about this because we create these silly little videos that go out into space, you know, and then we answer your comments and reply to your comments, and it's just. It's like this other weird world. But then to, like, meet you in person, that's huge.

[A]

It was awesome. So we met kids in New York, we met kids in Los Angeles, we met kids in North Carolina. Uh, they were all wonderful, special kids. And we've done two books before, and generally speaking, the adults drive the conversations when we go to these signings and we have these discussions and the kids drove the bus this time, man, it was amazing. And they came prepared and excited. I think that the movement of, like, getting everyone to understand what ADHD is, I can feel it even more so than from when we put out adhd, is awesome that these children are getting an understanding. And, like, I think some of the shame is going away because they understand what ADHD is. And that really warmed my heart.

[B]

Do you want to know the biggest thing, the biggest takeaway I got from this whole entire experience? We have a lot of tweens and teens listening to this podcast.

[A]

Yeah, we.

[B]

Okay, we. It's called the Laugh Lines. Right.

[A]

It's about getting older, guys.

[B]

Just about this, but just about our life. A little bit of nuance. Getting older. Funny story. We were in la and I'm going to forget this sweet girl's name, but she listens. I think she's 12. She listens to our podcast to the point that her mother. Her mother's busy. I get it. Her mother doesn't. And so mom and dad were having a conflict. It's called a conflict. Daughter who listens to our podcast comes downstairs and starts kind of diagnosing why they're fighting and teaching them, you know, okay, this is where you stay in the airport, the whole thing. And the parents are like, where did you learn this? Oh, I listened to the Holderness family podcast. So I was stunned, but also very proud that we have some young listeners. And it got me thinking. When I was a. I'm like, oh, God. When I was a teenager, I. Or a tweenager. I didn't like. No, I did. I watched the Golden Girls. So basically, like, we are the Golden Girls for these kids.

[A]

We're their Golden Girls.

[B]

We are their Golden Girls. I was obsessed.

[A]

I love it. How, how can we look, how old were the Golden Girls?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm just curious.

[B]

I did look this up.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. I love that Gen Z is listening to us. Yeah, I looked this up and Sam, you can fact check me here. I think they were supposed to be mid-50s.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I, I don't know how older, how the actors were.

[A]

I'm curious.

[B]

I think their characters in the beginning were supposed to be mid-50s.

[A]

Okay, well, that's. We're good. We're good then. I was just. It's because I, I was about to say, like, I think of them just a bunch of, you know, gray haired ladies. I can't. What?

[B]

So first of all, I think you probably don't realize how often women get together and talk about how we want to like Golden Girls. It, like if God forbid, our partner would to pre decease us. I don't think any of us have real interest in partnering up with more men. So I think that kind of the vision. I hope you live forever. I hope you outlive me. But if not, I only intend on living in a house with other women.

[A]

Just have friends. So now remember, Blanche was still a little bit of a player. I'm not saying I did watch the Golden Girls. Blanche was a player. Rue McClanahan.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

She always. She had lots of suitors.

[B]

She had lots of suitors. That part of you doesn't die, Pen. But I'm saying that like, women talk about this all the time about wanting.

[A]

To just fast forward or maybe you're already there to go and just live in a, in a house with.

[B]

Or like I'm thinking tiny house, compound. Like I have my own house and my next door neighbor and when we have like a right and men are.

[A]

Just entirely out of the equation.

[B]

I mean, okay, Help us hang some pictures or something like that. So. But that being. I mean, if the Golden Girls were now, I think they would look. I think there's, like, hairstyles would make them look younger, right?

[A]

Yeah, everyone looks. Everyone looks younger than they did back then. I'm. I'm getting the vibe, right. Yeah. I just think there's. There's more anti aging Botox and hairstyles and everything.

[B]

Yeah. So, okay. I did ask Sam if she wouldn't mind, and I've not seen these pictures. Fun fact. Yes. That will really, like, set your brain on this. The main characters in the first season of the Golden Girls.

[A]

This is what I want to know. Are younger than the current Sex in the City cast. See, there you go. So how old were they when they.

[B]

They were. Rue McClain was 52.

[A]

Wow. So Rue McClanahan was one year older than me in the first season of Golden Girls. Okay.

[B]

Okay. So I'll show to you. Yeah. So I saw this graphic the other day. I couldn't find it, so I'm like, oh, Sam, what. What else does she have to do besides do random graphics for this podcast? So I wanted. So, you know, this is the original Golden Girls. Okay. Okay. And if you're. And if you're listening to this podcast, we're just looking at the very classic, the four women on a pink.

[A]

And they look beautiful.

[B]

Gorgeous. But that kind of a dated short haircut.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this is what I think. If they were on now.

[A]

So you think that they would be wearing leather jackets.

[B]

No. And they would have long hair fedoras. The Mormon wives of whatever.

[A]

Wait, is that there? Is that Betty White's face? Yes.

[B]

Wow. That's her face with maybe a few fillers and some bow tie. Just was inspired by Kim's outfits. Just tried to stick.

[A]

Yeah. What I thought. Oh, so this was Kim. Mostly Kim's outfits.

[B]

I was like, okay, overalls. I feel like. Yes.

[A]

But you did nothing with their faces. That's.

[B]

I just changed their hair.

[A]

That's the same thing with different hair and clothes. That's nuts.

[B]

I also asked Sam this. So we are in our 50s, right? Like, we are actually. I'm 49, guys. I'm 49.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

I'm like an intern at the Golden Girl house, but I'm about to enter my Golden Girls era. I think we look pretty good. But I asked Sam and I have not seen this to maybe what. To turn us into, like, the Golden Girls.

[A]

Okay. So is Sam aging us or just.

[B]

Clear.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I let her kind of run wild with this.

[A]

Sam, you've asked. Okay.

[B]

I've asked Sam to do this again for people listening at home. I'll do my best. I just thought it would be easier to age you. I didn't know how to golden girl. You didn't box like, age you if you guys had your own golden, golden holderness show.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. What?

[A]

I think like, so facial. Skip, you still look great. The gray hair.

[B]

The gray hair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I have gray hair. She gave me some glasses. Honestly, Pen, I'm. I like the beard. Okay. But that's. That's what in the 80s, what they thought the 50s were. Yeah, that's what in the 1980s, they thought you looked like that in your 50s.

[A]

Fair.

[B]

Fair.

[A]

Yeah. And. And those glasses were definitely happening with all of my grandparents back then.

[B]

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[A]

It's definitely I'm fine. Either I'm fine or it's fine, right?

[B]

Everything's fine.

[A]

Everything's fine. That could be it too.

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[B]

I mean, to be honest, let's be fair. Like, we have gone to visit your parents and skilled nursing, and it's mostly women. Like, women are just outliving men. I mean, right?

[A]

Fair. Yeah. I mean, I don't.

[B]

It's mostly women.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know the statistics, and I accept that women live longer than men and on the mental side, and should.

[B]

So therefore, should we just be marrying much younger men so we can just.

[A]

Like, equal should women be? So I'm getting some good nuggets already. So what I've got so far in this show is that Kim, first of all, looks really good in gray hair. Kim wants to live with a bunch of women, and if she doesn't live with a bunch of women, she'd like to marry a younger man. No, that's what I'm getting from this. That's my question.

[B]

I hate to think like this, but let's say Pen. Pen is to leave us early.

[A]

Oh, no. I'm dead. Okay, this is. This show is going crazy.

[B]

I mean, what's your first option?

[A]

Are you going to remarry? I mean, I think go live with.

[B]

A bunch of other single women. Yeah. I'm not. I love you so. Honey, listen, hold my hand when I. I'm gonna hold your hand when I say this. I love you so much. You are the last man I will ever live with. Like, I was so backhanded. You know what I hope? We're like those old people they write about in the newspaper where they're like. They die, like, four hours apart, and they never even know the other person died. So, like, that's what I hope. But I will say, as God is my witness, you're the last man I'll ever live with.

[A]

Thank you. That's Very sweet.

[B]

I intended it to be sweet.

[A]

I believe the subtext. There is something of the nature of why would we want to live with these icky old men? But that's like. That.

[B]

And I didn't say it.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

I did not say that. No, I just. I think there's something beautiful about, like, female friendships. And. And that's why I want that for you. I want that if I croak first, that there's a. Like, a tiny house compound, and you're out there, like, playing pickleball and golf, and there's no women nearby. But statistically, men remarry very quickly.

[A]

Like, more quickly than women.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because. Don't. Don't. Don't they each have to do it? Yeah.

[B]

There's a math equation that's not mathing, but. Okay. It's not mathing.

[A]

I don't think men can handle being alone.

[B]

I think that's. That's the fact.

[A]

I think I'm getting better at it. But you're right. Boy, there was so. Even through, like, college, first part of my life, like, until I met Kim, I was what you call a serial monogamist, which was, like, I would go from one girlfriend to another to another, and they were all pretty long relationships. Right. But the. You're right. Like, the loneliness. The loneliness kind of sneaks up and gets you.

[B]

So. Same question.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kim is dead. Kim is dead.

[A]

Oh, no. I don't want to live with a bunch of guys. Like, I would. Yeah.

[B]

Second one.

[A]

So I don't think. First of all, I can't imagine ever remarrying. That's, like, not necessary. I. I think I. I would have a house to my. I think I would go live maybe a little bit differently from. From Kim. I live in, like, a small place, but, like, in a really, like, a bustling area where you have to walk a lot. Like, Manhattan. Manhattan. Or somewhere in LA or like, somewhere in Switzerland where you have to, like, walk a bunch of. And that would be. And then I would meet people. Like, I would meet people all over the place, and I would have relationships and I'd have friends, but I don't know that I want to live in just a house with, like, three other dudes. Yeah.

[B]

We are the last people we'll ever marry. So. You hear that, ladies?

[A]

There it is.

[B]

Hear that, ladies? Well, I'm gone. He's off the market.

[A]

Just to be clear, you didn't say I was the last person you'd ever marry. You said I'd be the last man. That you'd be with. We can rewind it if you want to.

[B]

No, that's the last man I'd ever live with. I didn't say nothing about being with people.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Okay. So we're basically the Golden Girls for Gen Z and Gen Alpha.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So, I mean, congratulations.

[B]

Right?

[A]

We need our own theme song.

[B]

I guess we need our own theme song. Oh, the Golden Girls theme song is the best TV theme song. Should you. So do you know that. Do know how to play it?

[A]

Give me a second. Thank you for being a friend? Travel down the road and back again? Your heart is true? You're a pal and a confidant? And if you threw a body and invited everyone you knew you would see the greatest gift would be for me? And the the card attached would save. Thank you for being a friend. Yay.

[B]

I love it when pen makes into breaks into random songs.

[A]

It is a bop. Well, thanks again. Good luck finding some old lady will do that for you in your new little house. Am I taking this a little too personally? Maybe.

[B]

I. I want to live with you the rest of my days. I do. You are my sunshine. My only sunshine. Okay.

[A]

But we have this marriage that also has a bit of, like. It's probably codependence a little bit. Maybe I need to like, go see a therapist about it. But I like having her around.

[B]

I love having you around. I miss you when you're not around.

[A]

Yeah. So maybe that's the part of the show that we haven't really touched on yet.

[B]

No, I don't want you to go. But I don't want you to go.

[A]

Yeah, I'm taking this way too personally. I'm sorry.

[B]

Like I said. No, no, no. I don't want you to go. I don't want you to go.

[A]

Good.

[B]

I think that if we are the Gen Zs Gen Alphas golden girls, it is our duty to impart some knowledge on things we wish we knew when we were teens, 20s and 30s. Right. So the. The next part of this podcast, basically a love letter to our younger selves and things we wish we had known. Some red flags and warning flags we should have seen. So I want you to grab your orthotic slippers, guys, cozy on up.

[A]

And if you're. If you're a teenager or a 20 year old or a 30 year old, grab that loose leaf piece of paper.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, wait. Maybe just put it on your phone.

[B]

Put it on your iPad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. These are things that I, you know, I think I wish I could have told Myself in my teens.

[A]

Totally. And this is now coming from your new Golden Girls. Pen and Kim, like, advice for you.

[B]

Yes. Okay, we're gonna go fast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ready? Yep. To my former high school self, I wish I could tell you, do not lose sleep over the boy who's peaking in high school. You do not want to be the person who's peaking in high school. You don't want to be with the person who's peaking in high school. You're going to be fine. He's not going to pay attention to you right now. But just you wait. You're going to have a guy who can sing the Golden Girls theme song whenever you want.

[A]

That sounded like a very good general statement potentially based on a specific situation in your life, which is fine.

[B]

It's so funny because Facebook is such a cool thing because it can. You can see people from your past. And one time I saw this person, I'm like, oh, God, that person's really old. It was a person who's my age that didn't pay any attention to me in high school. And I was like.

[A]

Still got it. Still got it. Good luck finding a dj.

[B]

We can move and shake like this. But isn't it weird to see somebody your own age and you're like, oh, that person's looks kind of old. And you're like, no, wait, I'm that same age.

[A]

Yes, it is.

[B]

Okay, what do you got?

[A]

So I didn't look at yours. So some of ours are similar.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But mine is. Bullies aren't going to grow up to be the people you think they're going to grow up to be.

[B]

Ooh, profound.

[A]

So. And it's not the way that you think. So I have. So I got bullied in high school. It's fine. Like, there were. I was not a jock. I cried easily. I was a great target for bullying. And in the last five years, I've met two people who, like, I remember specific things that they did to bully me, like chaining me to stools and giving. Like, flushing my head in the toilet and giving me a swirly. And I've seen these guys recently.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I, like. Like, I tensed up when I saw him. Like, you weren't there for either of.

[B]

These, but you told me about these.

[A]

Yeah. And I. You know, and it, like, shook me for a while. And it's because I'm sure there was, like, this inner child who was. Was tormented by them. And I wanted to. And I wanted to come, come. Come up and be like, check it out.

[B]

Look at me. In my quarter zip. Watch me.

[A]

Now I can play the recorder. No, but that'll show them. But they were both so kind when I saw them. Like, they were. They were both so like that. It. It didn't feel like I was talking to my bullies anymore. They had grown, obviously grown out of it. They had found happiness in their life. You know, they always say that, like, your bully has a bully. And that was almost a better resolution to it than if I had, you know, than if they had still been, you know, I don't know, like, losers or whatever. Like. Because I always remember thinking in my heart of hearts, like, man, I need to lap these guys. Yeah, I need to. And they. They had families and they were happy, and they were incredibly kind and asked me about my life, and so I just never thought the bullies were going to grow up to be just like me.

[B]

So.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Question. Because I remember you both those instances you came out, you were pretty shaken.

[A]

Oh, yeah, no, that part's that still. You're like, vibrate.

[B]

When do you think they remember bullying you? Have they.

[A]

Maybe not. Maybe not. Like, honestly, I don't. I don't know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I. One of them, I said, like, hey, do you remember when you did this to me? He's like, what? And I didn't push it. I was like, doesn't matter. Like, I love. I love being around you right now. This is fantastic.

[B]

You are such a better person than I am, because I really thought you were gonna go with this story. They don't turn how you think they. I. I thought it was gonna be, like one of those Cobra Kai things, like, where the guy doesn't. Like, where the bully ends up, you.

[A]

Know, like, hoping that they had, like, lived in a really ratty apartment and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Drinking problems.

[B]

Yeah. That's how I thought the story is gonna go. You were such a better person than me.

[A]

Well, it wasn't the way I expected it to go either, but they ended up being such lovely people.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So there's nothing I could do about that.

[B]

I love that I'm married to somebody who thinks like that. But my bully, I have. I have. Like, I've also searched her out, too, and I can't really find her. So.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't search these people out. I ran into them.

[B]

I know.

[A]

It was wild.

[B]

My next. The what I wish I could tell my high school self is that bad perm you have right now. It's going to build some character. Going to school with all that damage in your hair and looking the way you do in your school pictures. Horrifying. It's embarrassing. But this is what will make you stronger and more empathetic. Okay. It'll. You'll. You'll be glad that you had the experience of having your bangs. They. They permed your bangs. Okay. Not great, because they ended up being really short. But this is going to make you feel more sympathetic and empathetic to people around you, so it's going to pay off. Just stick with it.

[A]

Man, that was beautiful.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Weren't you the one who said that if perms come back in style, I get another 100%?

[B]

I would get one. So my hair, like, it's. So. We've had people write in and say, kim, do something with your hair. I just think that now with your hair, it's just very flat. But if. But so I thought a perm was going to cure everything, and a perm does not solve everything. But I would still get one if they would allow me to. But now, because I color my hair, I think my hair would actually fall out. If we put perm chemicals plus. Right. What I do to my hair.

[A]

There's a lot going on.

[B]

There's a lot going on.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I'm just imagining you in a perm right now. I think you'd be rocking it. Okay. Don't be afraid to talk to girls, Teenage pen. Don't be afraid. They're lovely. I.

[B]

Afraid to talk to girls.

[A]

Once I got to college and alcohol, it was. It was. It was a lot easier, but it. It took me a while to. And they were so nice, and it was like all, like, I never had a bad conversation with a girl. They were great conversationalists, and I guess, like, the ones that I thought were pretty or a lot of girls are pretty, but the ones where, you know, I was attracted to, I was terrified to talk to.

[B]

So if you are. If there's a teenager listening and they want to go talk to somebody who's attractive or they just. They're attracted to you in high school. How do you do that?

[A]

Yeah. So first off, don't just look right at their boobs. They can tell. You don't think they can tell, but they can tell. They're like. They're looking at your eyes, and it's like the first thing you do is like, hey, what's going on? They can tell my name's Mitch. And. And then. You know who I learned this from? My son.

[B]

Oh, God, no.

[A]

He's so good at, like, ask them questions about themselves and then listen but he's.

[B]

But by the way, I was asking on his behalf. He's not out there.

[A]

No. But like he's had a couple of girlfriends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And one of them, I remember asking him, I was like, so like you're. You're like one of the people in your friend group that has a girlfriend no one else does. And he's like, yeah, they don't know how to talk to girls. And I was like, what do you mean? He goes, you just ask him a question and you listen.

[B]

I think that's a benefit of having an older sister.

[A]

I was going to say a good mom, but yeah, older sister.

[B]

I'll take.

[A]

I'll take good mom 2. Really good. You're right. Lola is excellent at that. I bet you Lola gave him that advice. My brother was not neither. We didn't know. Still learning. We had no idea. So, yeah, walk up to him, look at their eyes up here.

[B]

Up here.

[A]

And find something interesting to ask them about themselves. And then listen.

[B]

Oh, I love that advice. Okay. Easy peasy. The last one I have for my teenage self. I know you feel a little fat right now. You always called yourself chubby, but let me tell you, just put on that pair of guest jeans, look in the mirror and enjoy because you look great. You look great. I know, I know. But like being a teen in the 90s, it was very hard. You've just like a normal human person. And then you had like. Kate Moss was the ideal. So that. Which is. So they're gonna. What I would tell my high school self is there's gonna come a time when having a butt is desirable and there's going to be a time where people are going to fly to other countries to get more but. But lifts. So the fact that you have a butt right now, just enjoy. Just enjoy it.

[A]

Kate Moss was the one who did. Was she the one who did.

[B]

No. Kate Moss was a model.

[A]

What am I getting wrong? Who is that?

[B]

Kate?

[A]

It's not Kate Moss. I'm really embarrassed. Kate Bush. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, Kate. For both Kates. You're okay.

[B]

I.

[A]

So Kate Moss was like a model.

[B]

Who'S like a wave then.

[A]

Very thin.

[B]

But there's going to be a time where people pay to have more butt put in.

[A]

And so during your time. And again, guys didn't know about this. She was the ideal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

K. Moss was okay.

[B]

And everybody was striving for that. It was so harmful and awful.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like not even nice to look at.

[A]

Probably not Kate's fault. Either.

[B]

Okay. Do you have one more for teens?

[A]

Yeah, I got. Oh, boy, I have a lot. Learn how to dribble with your right hand. This is. You're gonna. Not gonna believe this. This is what I'm gonna tell myself. There's gonna come a day when being skinny is not necessarily a bad thing. So opposite of you. But, like, I got mercilessly taunted for being skinny.

[B]

You know, we just find a way to make people feel bad about themselves.

[A]

And then the last one was, you know that Apple 2 your dad brought you bought so that you could use print shop. Just go ahead and put your entire weekly allowance into that stock until you turn. Turn 30.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Right. Okay. Here's what I would tell myself and what I think people in their 20s should know.

[A]

20S? We're moving on to 20s. 20s, yep.

[B]

There's going to be a time when you have enough money in the bank where you can take out $20. Yeah, I. I would say most of my 20s, I only had, like, 17 in the bank, so you couldn't take out, like, a full $20. Yeah, yeah. But, like, just chill. You're gonna get there. You're gonna have more than 17 in your bank account. Pretty soon. You're gonna. You're gonna work. You'll never work harder, but eventually you're gonna have more than $20.

[A]

Yeah. So something very similar for me. Keep doing what you're doing. You may be broke, but you're happy. Which, like, there was just a time when, same as you. Like, we were working in journalism, and, you know, my friends were all going into finance and living in these big, fancy cities, and I. I felt. I felt I coveted that. Right. I was jealous, I guess, in some ways, of that. But I also loved my job, and I love my life, and I love kind of everything that I was doing. And I probably didn't let myself enjoy that as much because I was also keeping in mind, like, the success that they had. So I think I would have just said, like, hey, man, like, if you're doing what you love, that's priority number one. However, even if you're broke, start feeding into your 401k.

[B]

All right?

[A]

Even if it makes you broker.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Like, even if you're, like, going from being broke to being broker, like, put some money into your 401k.

[B]

I will counter that, though. Everybody talks about how amazing their 20s are, and you remember the highlights of it, but I remember day to day, I would start most of my days, like, crying on the bathroom floor with a curling Iron in my hand. It was. Being your twenties is so hard. It's so confusing. You haven't kind of found the person you want to be like, partnered with. You're working really hard for very little money. You're questioning everything. I spent so much time with calling my mom on this, like on this ear curling iron here. Crying on the bathroom floor. I know. And I thought everybody else was giving this tale of like how awesome their 20s were. And like grown ups 40 year olds were telling me, I wish I could go back to my 20s. I'm like, this flipping sucks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the highlights I remember are very fun.

[A]

Yeah. Give me your power rankings for decades. Like there's one through 10, there's 10 through 20, 20 through 30, 30 through 40 and 40 through 50. Give me. You got five decades. Can you give me your power rankings?

[B]

Like what was 40s have been the best?

[A]

40S? Yeah, that same. That's my number one.

[B]

I'd have to go over to the way back machine. I would say the 30s were the hardest and then the 20, I don't know. 40s have been the best.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I would say my teens were pretty great. And then 30s and then 20s. 20s were hard.

[A]

Yeah. Mine is exact backwards.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So 40s, 30s, 20s, teens, tens and teens and then one through 10. I think that was the hardest for me.

[B]

Yeah. So along that trajectory, do you think it's just gonna get like 50s are gonna be your favorite?

[A]

I mean, that'd be amazing. Last year's been good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If this just keeps getting better, like that's how you want to live life.

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

There's something, something's going to break. Like there's going to. You know how you talk to people who are a little bit older than me and they'll be like, oh, that was the year that I got the new hip. And it was the year they don't talk about like that one time I had an operation a year. The year that. So there's going to be like the year that I got a new knee and that's going to suck.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm waiting for that one.

[B]

My last one for my 20s are. Okay. My first job out of college, I was a reporter in Panama City Beach. There was an Air force base right outside of Panama City. So all of the guys who worked at Tyndall Air Force Base would come into the bars wearing their like flight suits.

[A]

And that's like a plus six. Right.

[B]

And so my tip to my 20s are flight suits are an illusion. They the most really Dump truck of a guy puts that on and you're like, huh? And he's not gonna call you and you're gonna feel bad about yourself. And then you're gonna see him without the flight suit. You're gonna be like, are you kidding me? I was waiting by the phone for that. So flight suits aren't real.

[A]

Do you know, like the plus minus system? Like, flight suits are like a plus five easily. You know, I think like boy scout uniforms are like a minus six. I know that because I had to wear those to school when I was a kid.

[B]

Oh, I refuse. Remember that.

[A]

You know any, any military suit. Right. Plus a firefighter outfit.

[B]

I mean, I saw, I, I had to go to Whole Foods real quick last night and there was a, there was a cop pulling up and he had like a full. He was wearing like bulletproof.

[A]

Yeah. SWAT gear.

[B]

The SWAT gear. And I was like, okay, looking good.

[A]

Nice. So that's a plus. And then like, unfortunately, like they don't do the postal service well. Or ups, like any delivery service. That's like a minus. I feel like, why don't you make UPS drivers and male drivers sexier?

[B]

I know mail carriers need, first of all, love our mail carrier. Yeah. Hurts. Hurts. Emotions.

[A]

Can you imagine her in like a flight suit?

[B]

Yeah, she would just have. I think they probably just don't want people chasing them because that's what would happen if you made them hot.

[A]

Yeah. And then we get really sexist and we get into like nurse outfits and doctors and stuff.

[B]

Yeah, but you're the nurse outfit you have in your brain.

[A]

It's like a slutty Halloween one.

[B]

It's not what nurses wear.

[A]

I've never seen a nurse wear the nurse one that I'm imagining in my head right now. I'll be honest. I'm just being honest, Sam. Just being honest. It's probably a good thing because you're there because you're sick.

[B]

Yeah. They're not wearing like, not white garter and white pantyhose.

[A]

Not there for any other reason. Hi, Sam.

[B]

I just think, you know how like Ralph Lauren does like the US Olympics? Like, can we get them to do the usps?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Look, I think, okay, we just need to upgrade usps. I'm sure they have a lot of money to do that right now. I'm sure that's exactly where our government. The shutdown. But we are going to make our postal workers look hot. Okay, moving on to 30s. What? I wish I could just like hold my 30 year old's hand. My 30 year old self's hand and tell her first one. Ready? Yeah, take the medicine.

[A]

That's the first one.

[B]

I had babies in my 30s, man. Postpartum was so hard. And they were like, ooh, you should. You should take care of yourself. Here, take this medicine. I'm like, no, I'm nursing, man. I finally got onto the medicine, but I wasted so much time. Like, take the medicine by the formula is what I wish I would know. I was trying too hard to nurse children and I should have just given them formula and taken the medicine.

[A]

Where were you getting the pressure to have to do that?

[B]

Just everywhere. Exclusively. Myself. No. And. And I think, I think there are some women that are like, oh, well, there's a lot of language, like, breast is best, but it doesn't work for everybody. I was like, feeding them and pumping them and taking medicine to up the supply. Like, it just didn't. It didn't work. PC had reflux. So, yeah, if it works, that's great. Do it. So there's like that language a little bit, but nobody was saying, oh, you're gonna fail your children if you do this. It was all me.

[A]

It is. It has got to be difficult because nursing a child and raising and all the way through raising a child is so subjective. Right? It depends on the child you have.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so anytime you hear someone say, this is how you should raise your child, that really can only apply perfectly to one child, which is your child.

[B]

Well, I also just had an. I had a vision for. It really taught me a lot because I had a vision for what I thought it was going to be like. I thought it was really going to be one of those women who, like, nurse their kids for, like, a bizarre amount of time. Like, I really did.

[A]

Like, they're going to walk up and be like, hey, mom, I need some boob.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I really thought I was going to be that person. And it did not work.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I learned, like, even if you try, like, I never tried so hard at anything in my life, and it just didn't work. And I wasted. Not wasted, but I. I remember like, the, the lactation consultant, like the third one we hired. She's like, you're missing out on a really good time with your baby. You should. And, like, handed me. Look, when the lactation consultant hands you a can of formula.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's time to wrap it up. So. Yeah. Take the medicine.

[A]

Okay. Take the medicine. Mine. One of mine was, start writing music again. You love it. Just do it. I didn't start getting Back to actually writing music until right around when we started our YouTube channel. That was when I was 38, 39. And I wasn't necessarily like great at it, but it made me happy. I. I hear songs in my head all the time. It's just part of what happens. Like, and it. Sometimes it'll be a bop, like an earworm from the radio, but more often than not, it's not. It's a tune that just comes out of nowhere like thin air. And I don't know if I just gave myself enough time or enough effort, probably effort to just get the sludge out and start doing it. Because now that it's sort of my job and I have to come up here and write and compose, it's the, it's the happiest that I am like being able to find these just notes and things and bring them out and, and create them. And I knew that I could do it at a very young age and I didn't have time to do it it in my 20s, but I could have made time to start doing it when I was a little bit, you know, when I was in my 30s.

[B]

So the advice to like in general, a 30 year old would be like that thing that's always, that you've always loved to do. Start doing that again. It doesn't have to be for a career. It could be, yeah, like painting or.

[A]

Exactly. And I've done like 10 years of it now and I'm just already feeling myself, you know, old and tired. Like I don't know how much longer I can do it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I just. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[B]

I'll just say last thing from my 30s was no one. And this actually stands for right now too. Nobody actually knows what they're doing. Yes, there's like plans and there's business plans and all this stuff, but I think in general I. We moved and it took me a long time to figure out what I wanted to do with my life because I thought it had to be so like, I thought it had to look like what somebody else was doing, but everybody's just sort of figuring it out as you go, like just taking the next right step. And I think we, we continue to do that, like taking the next step that's right for us. So just like take the next right step.

[A]

So what, what was your mindset more of in the 30s than that? You were.

[B]

Well, we didn't have much money, so it was like make. It was whatever it was that was gonna make me make us money and, and which is fine. But I thought that I wasn't. I felt very insecure about it because I thought I am like, oh, well, it's probably not as good as they're doing it, but they don't know what they're doing. You know, nobody knows what they're doing.

[A]

I like that. My last one, and this is going to sound like a broken record if you listen to this podcast before, but I really wish I had it in my 30s. My job is not to be her hero. My job is to be witness to her story and to be her hype man. Sam is. Everyone seems happy. So if guys are listening to me in their 30s or if they're about to get in their 30s, you know, that is a natural feeling that we all have, is to be like, we've. Look, we say we didn't watch, you know, all these Disney movies, but we did. And there was always that prince that helped out and rescued that beautiful damsel in distress. And that was the definition of love.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That was the ideal. To be able. I think it's also a little bit in our DNA. Right. To be able to. To sweep them off their feet, to rescue them.

[B]

Them.

[A]

And it's. I think it. In small doses, it works, but it's not something you have to do every day. If your wife sits down and she says, man, I'm having a really, really tough time right now at work, and you say, let me go get you some cake and champagne. That's not the answer.

[B]

Honestly. Cake is sometimes the answer.

[A]

Sometimes cake is the answer. But I would say more often than not, they'd like you to say, tell me more, more. And, like, listen to them and understand and empathize. Like, why is work sucking instead of trying to fix everything? And that took me the entirety of my 30s and writing a book with you to figure out. And it's just so counterintuitive. But it's so simple once you figure it out.

[B]

You're so good at that. And you've. You've been. You can tell. Like, I'll. I'll say to Pen something. I'm struggling with it. And he's. His instincts are kicking in of like, oh, I. I know how to. I can actually help and fix this. But he's like, tell me more.

[A]

I know how to fix it, but.

[B]

I know how to fix. You know, And I always say, interesting is we're trying to do this. A better job of this with our children.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Especially as we have. We're learning how to be parents to somebody who's 18 and in college.

[A]

And it's hard to do that, too.

[B]

It's hard to hear, you know, a concern about something and not say, you know, what you should do. Like, it's very hard for us to go. Okay, that sounds really hard.

[A]

You know, so look, if you figure that out in your 30s, you're ahead of me. And. And it's going to lead to, like, just so, so much more fulfilling relationships, I think. Unless maybe it just ends up that she wants to live with a bunch of girls in a tiny house in the middle of Florida.

[B]

I didn't say Florida.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I could go, like, the mountains somewhere with, like, a. Like a babbling brook.

[A]

Okay. That's what you're thinking.

[B]

No, like a mountain with like a. Like a. Like a river.

[A]

I will not let this go.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm having fun with you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I know that. It actually does. Like, I could see you. I think this whole new mahjong thing has helped this out because it's a group of four, and they're all kind of at a table, kind of like Blanche and the crew and Rose and I don't remember the rest of their names, but they were. They were always at that table. The four of them at that table. That looks a lot like a mahjong table, right?

[B]

Yeah. Is that like in the modern day Golden Girls? They should reboot it, by the way. And they had the fact that they have not rebooted the Golden Girls. How. And put Sophia Vergara. Vergara. Vergara.

[A]

Wait, hang on. So who are your Golden Girls if they're rebooting it? Can we cast. Like, let's. Let's workshop this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Sophia Vergara would be Blanche, 100. And she, like, this is hitting the age ranges, right?

[B]

Quinta. What's her. Quinta from Abbott Elementary. Yeah, she's Rose.

[A]

Which one is. Which one?

[B]

Too young. If you're. Oh, she's too young.

[A]

What about the. Well, like, I mean, we got Amy Poehler in play. We got. And these. These have to be comic geniuses, right? Like, they didn't. They hired all comedians. Right. For this.

[B]

I will say one thing.

[A]

Melissa McCarthy.

[B]

Just throw her into anything.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So much.

[A]

Okay.

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One thing I've noticed about getting older is I was obsessed with QVC and Home Shopping Network when I was. But I couldn't ever order anything. Like, we weren't allowed to order anything off of QVC or hsn. So I think that is why. Stick with me here. If you. If you open up. Tick tock. Right now, it's like qvc. All it is is like, it's called, like, Tick Tock Shop. All it is is like, like, people trying to, like, sell you things. But I think that's why our generation likes it, because we, we never got the chance to buy anything. And I have to show you something I bought off of Tick Tock. More on this after these words.

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This is the new qvc, our not.

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Sponsored segment is gonna. We're gonna change it. Okay, Sam, you have to get a new graphic. So it's a not sponsored segment.

[A]

No longer. It's not what it's called anymore, though.

[B]

It's called as Seen on tv, right? Tick Tock. No, no. As seen on Tick Tock instead of as Seen on tv.

[A]

You remember, Sue, I seen Seen on TV wasn't qvc. That was just the commercials with the Shake wigs and with like.

[B]

Do it again.

[A]

What was the Shake like, the Shake wig.

[B]

Do it again. Just a little bit longer. Yeah, okay.

[A]

No, but all of those things on tv. And then. And then finally you could buy them, but Bed, Bath and Beyond finally put them in one place called as Seen on tv.

[B]

Genius marketing. But you could buy them.

[A]

Me?

[B]

No, no, not we.

[A]

But, like, no, I was not permitted to buy anything that I saw on a television with a. With a 1, 800 number.

[B]

Okay. Do the. The folks listening at home. Do the folks watching on YouTube want to see what I just purchased off Tik Tok?

[A]

Okay, you guys, I'm gonna let her. She's good. Yeah, it's. It's happening.

[B]

Okay, here it is. I have it on my lap here for those listening. It's a vibration pr.

[A]

Yeah, sure is.

[B]

And I cannot open Tik Tok for the last three months without seeing every other person on there. And if you buy it from this person, they get a commission off of it. Get. Get that bag. Bag. Get that bag. So I was served this so many times that I finally had to buy. It was like a hundred dollars. It is. You stand on it and it makes some big promises, like. Yeah, so the one that got me was, they're saying is good for, like, strengthening bone density. I do not think any of that works, but it is not stopping me. Should I do it?

[A]

Yes. I just want to just. Just point out a couple of things. Why. Why do you suppose you've been served so many of these vibrating plates?

[B]

Because I'm a woman in my 40s.

[A]

Is that what it is? Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know if it's because you have a spending conversion history on some of the other as seen on TikTok items.

[B]

This is actually. I think this is, like, one of the first things I've purchased. I will buy some stuff off Instagram. I'm sorry. You hit me with a good IG ad. It's. It's on. Okay. I am our target audience. Okay. Here's how it works. You plug it in and then.

[A]

Oh, it's speaking to us.

[B]

It has a remote control. Okay. So we're on level one and it goes up to level 10. And you're supposed to do 10 minutes a day. Ready?

[A]

She's gone to level 10.

[B]

And you just do this for 10 minutes. And you just sit here and people are like, oh, I've lost so much weight. I don't think you would lose weight with this. They're like, oh, it's like running two miles. This is not like running two miles at all. You don't get energy, but you, like, get the wiggles out. I could see if you had like an ADHD kid and it's like snowing outside and you can't just put them on this.

[A]

Usually when you're on this, you, you, you get really excited and you like to quote, like, all of the benefits while you're, while you're on it.

[B]

I. I mean, I just think it kind of gets the sillies out. Yeah, I don't think this. I mean, bone density, I don't know.

[A]

Does it burn calories?

[B]

I don't think so, but I think it's fun. I have it in my office and so, like, in between meetings, I'll just like, jump on this. But I don't think. You're not gonna get. This is not. You're not gonna, like, let me, like, de influence you if you're gonna buy this to, like, lose 10 pounds in two weeks. That is not. Those people are lying. That is not what happens.

[A]

Let's have a round of applause for Kim and the vibrating play.

[B]

Only eight more minutes, guys.

[A]

No, we're good. I love your forays into the world of TikTok devices. I don't think that was your first thing.

[B]

It's my first big purchase.

[A]

Yeah, you bought. You bought some pull up assist.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And that was stuff. I am on the road to 50 here and one of my goals was to do an unassisted pull up. So on TikTok, I bought this like, pull up bar assistant thing from TikTok and it came from a different country with no instructions, and I basically had to throw it away. So that was a waste of money. That's a waste of money. So so far, TikTok top is like over two.

[A]

Okay. But this, I like it.

[B]

I don't think it, like, helps anything, but I like it.

[A]

It is that part of the show where Kim does some core exercises, but the rest of us are headed to the laugh line. Call us up and you tell us what's on your mind. Okay. We're going to hear from Hill. Hillary. Can't wait to hear from Hillary. Hello, Hillary?

[B]

Hi, this is Hilary Parsons. I am from Lewis Center, Ohio, which is near Columbus. So My husband has ADHD. He was diagnosed at 35. My fifth grade son was diagnosed and he was like, first grade, we got. I pre ordered your. Your kids book. So he read this book.

[A]

He came to me afterwards and he's.

[B]

Like, mom, I'm like, what? He says, this book is amazing. I didn't know I was. I thought I was the only one who felt this stuff. It explains so much. It explains why I get angry. It explains why I interrupt people. And it. I wanted to call you to let you know I know that's why you wrote this book. But it's working. What you're doing matters. I'll try not to cry. Thank you so much.

[A]

Well, I'm crying now. Thank you, Hillary.

[B]

That is exactly why.

[A]

It's. Why we wrote it. Yeah. Kids are just going. They. By no fault of their own, they're walking around a lot of times not understanding why.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's okay that sometimes this happens, but why. Why am I getting sad? And that was, to me, that was like, it's, you know, if you look at the book, there was the, the lead in, there's all the famous people with adhd. But the middle part, when we ask, like, does this sound familiar? These examples I'm giving for, like, feeling sad and frustrated, and if the answer is yes, that's the bravest thing you've ever done or said. So like, even that kid walking up to his parents and saying, this is why I feel these things, and admitting and understanding it, that's this crazy connection that you now have with your parents. So, man, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[B]

That's really sweet.

[A]

Yeah. Slightly different laugh line. And I, I. So I don't keep getting emotional here, which is, which is. It's good emotional. I'm very, very happy. Remember when we talked about the Clapper last show?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. So Pam has a suggestion on the Clapper.

[B]

Okay. Hi, Pen and Kim, this is Pam from Massachusetts. I just listened to your recent podcast and you talked about bringing back the Clapper. I can't believe you guys don't use Alexa for that. You can get smart bulbs and you can hook up Alexa to your lights, and then you can just say something like, alexa, turn off the dining room light, or Alexa, turn on the hall light, or, Alexa, turn off Penn's light, or Alexa, make Pims light 50% or you can turn the lights different colors, and you can do all kinds of cool stuff so you won't ever have to lift a finger to turn off a light switch ever again. First of all, I can't wait to hear all the stories about the Alexa going crazy in people's houses. If they're playing that on a speaker in the house, like, all of their.

[A]

Lights are gone right now they're listening.

[B]

Um, I think I knew that. But that sounds like people that know.

[A]

How to wire a house.

[B]

Yeah, I thought that was a little more complicated. Is it not? Is it not complicated?

[A]

Well, so in order, here's what I know. If you want to turn a light off, you either have to flip the switch, or you have to get into the circuitry and attach something. Like, if it's a lamp, that's, you know, or a Christmas tree, you can clap and turn off a Christmas tree because that's. That's an outlet. But like, these lights that are in the ceiling, they're attached and hardwired to the back, and the only thing that controls it is a light switch. So we'd have to get a new light switch.

[B]

You get a new light switch.

[A]

Yeah, that has that sort of.

[B]

Okay. Sam is saying no smart light bulbs. Smart light bulbs.

[A]

Wait, what?

[B]

It connects to the light bulb. Like, you. You just buy. I mean, of course, they're more expensive than your standard light bulb. You can buy them anywhere. You buy light bulbs, and you can connect the Alexa app to that bulb. Wow. We are okay.

[A]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Old enough to be suspicious of this.

[A]

My face. I just went and.

[B]

This is not new.

[A]

I don't know if I want those fandangled robots taking over my light system.

[B]

Jeff Bezos knowing about.

[A]

I don't need Jeff Bezos looking up all my Social Security numbers over me.

[B]

Penn's dad lives on. On this podcast. Come install them for you. Oh, my God.

[A]

He would use the word fandangled for sure.

[B]

Fandang. Could you imagine? For, like, Heywood, we. All you have to ask is say please. He would just. He would start a relationship with Alexa. He would try to flirt with Alexa. Yeah, he would like Alexa. You're so good at this, you know.

[A]

You'Re just lovely, Alexa. You're lovely.

[B]

Continue. Any more of laugh Lines?

[A]

Yes, we do. Michelle has a special challenge for Penn. Okay.

[B]

Hey, Kim. Hey, Penn. This is Michelle calling from North Vilvica, Massachusetts. Penn, I have something for you. I know how much you love music. We're a very musical family here as well. I was hoping maybe I could do a name that tune with you. So I'm going to whistle a little something and then we'll see if you can guess it.

[A]

I love this.

[B]

This one's really easy. All right, ready?

[A]

Back it up. Oh, I got it.

[B]

What is it?

[A]

I got it. Sorry. You can stop. Sorry. That's really good.

[B]

Yeah. Don't you forget about me yeah when.

[A]

You walk on by. Wow. Michelle's a good whistler.

[B]

Sing it for me. Sing. Sing the whole.

[A]

When you call my name when you walk on.

[B]

Where's the guitar?

[A]

Don't you forget about me don't you forget about me I'll be alone dancing with something around It's a great tune.

[B]

That's it. For laugh lines, I encourage you to call and whistle. And for a name, that too. Play the recorder. Burp it if you need to. I love this game. Thank you, Michelle. Okay, I'm gonna read the credits. Ready?

[A]

You wanna sing it?

[B]

You go.

[A]

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