All You Can Be with ADHD (For Kids!)

Summary

Podcast Summary: "All You Can Be with ADHD (For Kids!)"

Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness — October 14, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

In this heartfelt and uplifting episode, Kim and Penn Holderness celebrate the release of their first children’s book, All You Can Be with ADHD. Geared toward kids (and their parents), the episode centers on embracing the positives of neurodiversity, sharing real stories and advice from listeners about living with ADHD, and debunking stigmas around the diagnosis. The tone is warm, funny, inclusive, and filled with actionable wisdom for families, educators, and kids navigating ADHD.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Launching the Children's Book: "All You Can Be with ADHD"

• Behind the Scenes: Kim and Penn describe the unique and joyful experience of collaborating with illustrator Vin Vogel, emphasizing how he brilliantly brought their words to life.
  • Kim: “This is all 100% out of his brain. Penn handed him the words, and he handed this back and it was brilliant.” [11:00]
• Book Reading: The hosts read aloud and discuss the first few pages, which focus on the "ADHD clubhouse" and the secret powers of brains that work differently.
  • Penn (reading): “And here is a secret if your brain's like ours, you don't know it yet, but you have secret powers.” [11:16]

2. Living (and Thriving) with ADHD — Listener Stories

• Voicemail from Gordon (Age 10):
  • Gordon’s creativity shines through as he invents campfire stories and dreams of being an inventor. His playful sales pitch for his imaginary robot, the Alpha 113, delights the hosts.
  • Gordon: “I found out I have ADHD and that I'm awesome because ADHD is awesome.” [16:19]
  • Kim: “Could you imagine not having ADHD? Like, what our world would be missing if you didn't have it?” [17:24]
  • Penn connects Gordon's salesman flair to P.T. Barnum and creativity to Thomas Edison and Albert Einstein, noting both are believed to have had ADHD. [17:48]
• Lisa (12 years old):
  • Expresses her dream to become a light technician for concerts, highlighting non-traditional career paths suited for creative, detail-oriented ADHD minds. [18:56]
• Hear from a Specialist:
  • Jennifer, an orientation and mobility specialist for Deaf and Blind students, underscores that varied, challenging, people-centered work is a perfect fit for her ADHD, as every day is different. [20:08]
• The Interest-Based Nervous System:
  • Penn: “People with ADHD are really good at something if it fills three needs: it’s challenging, it’s new or novel, and it’s of personal interest.” [20:50]
• Blair from Canada:
  • Shares how Penn’s parody helped her get diagnosed and reassures kids: “You just gotta figure out how your brain works.” [21:33]

3. Parenting Kids with ADHD: The Delicate Balance

• The hosts discuss the challenge of balancing children's shifting interests and the struggle between encouraging perseverance and allowing exploration.
  • Kim: “Our son has told us, the minute you tell me to do something, I want to do it less. And he's not saying it as a threat. He's like, it’s just the way my brain works.” [27:12]
• They highlight the adult version of “jumping hobby to hobby,” and normalize the pattern as a part of ADHD, showing both the joy in exploration and the limits of forcing interests on children. [29:13]
• Sam (producer): Suggests the social/performance element is key—some ADHD kids love activities with an audience but lose interest in solitary practice. [29:56]

4. Motivation & The Backwards Timeline Strategy (Featuring Dr. Emily King)

• Penn and Kim discuss strategies for self-motivation, particularly Dr. Emily King’s “backwards timeline”—a technique that links a child’s long-term desires (i.e., living independently) to necessary present tasks (i.e., completing worksheets). [31:10]
• Real-life example: Amy’s son’s journey from buying a GoPro at 13 to running his own video company due to interest-based, self-driven learning. [32:28]

5. Celebrating Neurodiversity—More Listener Voices

• A Gen Alpha mom's voicemail celebrates getting the new ADHD book for her daughter, comparing it to waiting for a new Taylor Swift album, conveying excitement and normalization of neurodiversity. [33:26]
• Taylor Swift (not actually the singer!): A listener describes her son’s focus and artistry, highlighting the deep concentration and passion common in many kids with ADHD. [35:30]
• Laura’s Story: Her daughter with ADHD excels in empathy, attracting other neurodivergent kids and dreaming of becoming a therapist. Kim and the team reflect emotionally on the beauty of zooming out and seeing the big picture when parenting ADHD children. [36:22]

6. Humor, Relatability & Community Connection

• The hosts' self-awareness and humor about household chaos, forgotten books, and the quirks of living (and parenting) with ADHD make the topic approachable for kids and parents alike.
  • Robert (caller): “All the kids with ADHD are going to forget their books. They'll have to buy a whole new copy.” [38:11]

7. Innovation & ADHD — Email from Professor David Shepherd

• Professor Shepherd shares research on using VR headsets to help kids with ADHD block out distractions and algorithms to “nudge” them back to focus, sparking both admiration and humor from the hosts. [41:32]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Creativity with ADHD:
  Kim: “Gordon, your brain. Could you imagine not having ADHD? Like, what our world would be missing if you didn’t have it?” [17:24]
• Defining ADHD Strengths:
  Penn: “People with ADHD are really good at something if it fills three needs: it’s challenging, it’s new or novel, and it’s of personal interest.” [20:50]
• On Parenting ADHD Kids:
  Kim: “At what point as parents can we say, not every single day of work as a light technician is exciting and interesting? You have to sort of push through the boring middle moments. And we’re still trying to figure that out…” [27:31] Penn: “It’s a tightrope walk... I don’t know if there’s any way to do it other than present them with opportunities and offer support. But the motivation has to come from within.” [28:18]
• On the Big Picture:
  Kim: “As ADHD parents and partners, you have to look big picture. You have to look down the road and, and hearing these, it, it is, it makes me very emotional.” [37:30]
• On Community & Support:
  Penn: “You are not alone. There are, as we said, millions of us... There are people in your town, probably your family, your school.” [47:17]

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Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• [10:43] – Behind the scenes of creating the children’s book and reading from the opening pages.
• [16:19] – Voicemail from Gordon, age 10 (inventor/inspiration).
• [18:56] – Email from Lisa: aspirations to be a light technician.
• [20:08] – Email from Jennifer: finding the perfect ADHD-friendly career.
• [20:50] – Interest-based nervous system discussion.
• [21:33] – Voicemail from Blair, ADHD positivity and cheerleading.
• [23:37] – Matt, age 11: learning songs on drums, parents’ balance in supporting fleeting child interests.
• [27:12-29:13] – Kim and Penn discuss hobby-hopping and the challenge of commitment versus exploration for ADHD kids.
• [31:10] – Dr. Emily King’s “backwards timeline” motivation strategy.
• [33:26] – Gen Alpha mom: representation and excitement about the book.
• [35:30-36:22] – Listeners on empathy, creativity, and ADHD as a superpower.
• [38:11] – Caller Robert jokes about kids with ADHD constantly losing their books.
• [41:32] – Email from Professor Shepherd: using VR for focus.
• [45:16] – Penn’s “three piece nugget”: Key takeaways for ADHD kids.
  • 1. You are not alone.
  • 2. Your brain figures things out differently—it’s a gift.
  • 3. Hard work and patience will help you maximize your strengths.
• [47:39] – Outro and encouragement to review and support the new book.

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Warm, encouraging, and funny: Kim and Penn treat ADHD with both respect and levity, blending science and lived experience, often poking fun at themselves or the chaos of their lives.
• Inclusive: The hosts take care to welcome all listeners (kids, parents, educators) and normalize neurodiversity as a superpower rather than a deficit.
• Supportive: Real stories, expert commentary, and candid discussions aim to leave kids and parents feeling seen, less alone, and genuinely excited about living with ADHD.

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Final Message

Kim & Penn’s message to kids and families with ADHD: “Your brain is special. You are not alone. You have secret powers. And with patience and practice, you’ll be able to use your different brain to do amazing things—just keep exploring, connecting, and celebrating what makes you… you.”

Transcript

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We had so many kids.

[Kim Holderness]

I love it.

[Penn Holderness]

Reach out. We don't always have kids. Reach out. In a podcast about the wrinkles that you get on your face, could you.

[Kim Holderness]

Imagine not having adhd? Like what, what, what our world would be missing if you didn't have it.

[Penn Holderness]

But if you have some work and some patience when you figure it out, I cannot wait to see what you're going to become. Yeah, we get older every day.

[Listener/Caller]

Got more wrinkles. That's okay. Yeah, we're laughing.

[Penn Holderness]

When we age, life is like a comedy stage. And that's why we got laugh lines.

[Kim Holderness]

Hi everyone, I'm Kim Holderness.

[Penn Holderness]

And I'm Penn Holderness.

[Kim Holderness]

You found laugh lines if you went cross eyed. So staring at those Magic Eye books and posters in the 90s, where are your people? I loved a Magic eye.

[Penn Holderness]

So were those like color based or were they just. You just had to go cross eyed?

[Kim Holderness]

You just had to go a little cross eyed. And then it was always this race to see who could see the dolphin faster and then really then you couldn't unsee it.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. I think there was like the ones that I had looked at had like a color thing too. And I so I just never saw.

[Kim Holderness]

Anything because he's a little colorblind. Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

But. But you.

[Kim Holderness]

But you. Okay. This is a very special episode. Our very first children's book, all youl Can Be with adhd, is just out today.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. If you're. If you're watching or listening to this, the day that we drop this episode, that's what the kids say.

[Kim Holderness]

My episode be dropping.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Then this is now available at bookstores. It may have already arrived at your home.

[Kim Holderness]

If you pre ordered.

[Penn Holderness]

If you pre ordered. And so it's. It's in the world. So we're through the magic of technology. We're not here.

[Kim Holderness]

No.

[Penn Holderness]

We're on our book tour right now, so we might be near you.

[Kim Holderness]

Hopefully, we're near you. And so we wanted this episode to be something you can watch and listen with your kiddos, because we're talking. We have a lot of voicemails, a lot of you wrote in about what makes the ADHD brain special. I really think this episode is going to go a long way in helping you, your kiddos, feel happy about your brain. Yeah. That being said, typically in our podcast. Welcome, children. Welcome, kids. We do a little, you know, what's going on, a little personal life update.

[Penn Holderness]

Kids can know about that.

[Kim Holderness]

Kids can know about that. I woke up after not sleeping again. So I just don't sleep.

[Penn Holderness]

Kids, there's this thing called menopause, Right.

[Kim Holderness]

And before the menopause is the perimenopause.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes.

[Kim Holderness]

And this is when your hormones are.

[Penn Holderness]

Doing this, like a roller coaster.

[Kim Holderness]

And maybe your mommy. Maybe your mommy's doing this. Right? Maybe mommy's doing this. Okay. So I just woke up. My first thought was, you know, I had. I had a lot of. I had, like, some good creative ideas this morning about, like, a new book I want to write. I had all these ideas, but then immediately I was like, no, can't do it. Too tired. Could you imagine? Just watch out. If I had a full night's sleep, how productive I would be. I will say also on the ADHD front, we get a lot of questions. I would say anytime we open up a Q and A, it is. Kim, how do you put up with, you know, both of the men in your house have adhd. Kim, you're a hero. How do you put up with it? Let me tell you. And I. I'm very quick to answer. I am tough to live with. And let me. And I never really have concrete examples of what it's like, but this is me. This morning, anxiety was peaking because kids, Mom's hormones are doing this. Okay. And what that meant was Pen came in, he was taking a shower. He put his. He took his shoes off. I immediately, I was like, you have to pick those up. He's like, I'm literally in the process of taking off my shoes. He started, you know, he put deodorant on. I put the cap on and moved it. He put, he put like hair gel in his hair. I took it, I stacked it. I was cleaning up his spot, like in front of him. He goes, babe, I promise I'm going to do this stuff.

[Penn Holderness]

I usually just do it all at the end.

[Kim Holderness]

And I'm just going to do it all at the end, if that's okay. I'm like, no. My anxiety says I need to do this right now. And I. And he goes, okay. Is there a medicine you usually take when you get like this? Can I find that for you?

[Penn Holderness]

And you know what she said when I asked if I could find that? You're never gonna find.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm like, you're never gonna find it. You're never gonna find it. And he didn't.

[Penn Holderness]

To be fair, we found it together.

[Kim Holderness]

We found it together. And normally I don't go immediately to medicine, but I probably would not have been able to get through this without just really crying if done that. So anyway, so here's my ask. Here's my ask of the laugh lines community because I love you guys so much, your messages and your emails. I need your best perimenopause pause sleep advice. Have you read a book on like cognitive behavioral therapy that's really helped you? Have you. Is there like a non addictive medicine you've taken, by the way? I've taken them all. So just know that I've. I've pro. If you have a supplement that you take, I've probably taken it. But is there like a magic combination you found?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Is there a. Yeah, it's warm milk or something that we don't know about? Prune juice. We're at that age now.

[Kim Holderness]

Is prune juice. If prune juice would help me sleep?

[Penn Holderness]

Ivy, you're pruning it up.

[Kim Holderness]

I prune it up.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

But is there somebody you follow on social media that I should interview and have on the podcast? Is there like, what are you. What are you doing to actually sleep at this stage of life? And I, I would love that feedback. Call me, email me, hit me up on the old ig.

[Penn Holderness]

I want to applaud my wife's self awareness. I know it's difficult to talk about that. Kind of thing. Like, I know this morning was rough and, and thank you. Like, the fact that we're talking about it, like, I feel closer to you and I love you and I do. Like, I love. I love your anxiety at times too. It's adorable.

[Kim Holderness]

It.

[Penn Holderness]

No, it, like, it leads a lot of times to keeping us safe, to keeping us moving forward. It leads to productivity. As much as you hate it, there is that. There is that part of your brain that, that, that moves forward sometimes with anxiety, especially if you have, like, a decent relationship with it. So I think, like, we could even our next book, we could just take.

[Kim Holderness]

All you can be with anxiety.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, Sam's gonna. Sam's gonna make a graphic change here. I think it's just a bit now of just asking Sam to do something ridiculous for each podcast and she doesn't have to do it.

[Kim Holderness]

Could you just cut it out now? Could you just.

[Sam Allen]

I could cut out this whole section and no one would ever know. You ever asked me, do you have.

[Penn Holderness]

Any idea the power she lords over us?

[Kim Holderness]

She has a lot of power.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. Anyway, should we get to the whole point of this podcast?

[Penn Holderness]

So, guys, the book is coming out today. It's out. We're in New York, hopefully talking to someone about it on, like a podcast or a TV station. We're reading at a school or something like that. But we want to show you some behind the scenes stuff really quickly. If you are watching, we'll show you some pictures and if you're listening, we'll just describe it.

[Kim Holderness]

Typically when we create content and write words, you know, in our adult book, it was just the words. And occasionally we had these amazing illustrations in a video. We shoot video on a camera. It was so wonderful and bizarre to have to depend on an illustrator. Vin Vogel. And he is so incredibly talented. This is all 100% out of his brain pen handed them the words and he handed this back and it was brilliant. So as a sneak peek on this podcast, we're gonna read the first couple pages. Ready?

[Penn Holderness]

Hi there. We're up here in the tree. Just look for the sign that says adhd. We have a big clubhouse. We're pretty excited to have you around. Come on up. You're invited. Just high five. The sharks. Trampoline to the perch rope. Swing past the ninjas. They're here selling merch. Climb through that branch, past the snake with the fiddle, then knock on the door. The password is this riddle. I am invisible. I rhyme with art. I start with an F. What am I? You may enter. Did you like that adventure. This is our club. And now you're a member. And here is a secret if your brain's like ours, you don't know it yet, but you have secret powers. If your brain's like ours, then you may be different. You may be fantastic, you may be vociferent. And then there's an explanation of what vociferent means. It means someone or something that's noisy. If your brain's like ours, you're in the right tree. You're part of the same club, you and me and everyone else with adhd. There are millions of us in this pretty big tree, and it goes on.

[Kim Holderness]

From there, talking about the hard stuff of ADHD and the wonderful stuff of adhd. We're so incredibly proud of it. So kids, we're moving on to the laugh line. More on this after these words. It's fall, y', all, and I think it's about time we slow down a bit and indulge in the comforts of home.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

Foreign is kind of a double entendre, is laugh lines is something you get when you're older, when you smile a lot and a line kind of like a telephone. Because there used to be these things called telephones. Like not just a cell phone is a smartphone and you can do a lot from it. But there was this thing oftentimes I hung on a wall and literally all you could do with it was talk to people. And we asked you to get on a cell phone and call us to tell us like what made your brain special. And man did you guys deliver. I'm so excited to head to the.

[Penn Holderness]

Laugh line.

[Kim Holderness]

This first voicemail. We have not heard it yet but we heard it's very special. It is from Gordon.

[Listener/Caller]

Hi, my name is Gordon. I am 10 years old. I am calling with my mom's permission just so you know. And I found out I have ADHD and that I'm awesome because ADHD is awesome. I think my brain is special because I'm very creative. I'm great at telling campfire stories like the Grizzly Lizard or the Glizard and what I Want to be. When I grow up, I would like to be an inventor and I'd like to build, like, robots. Like coming by the Alpha 113 processor unit. It can climb the tallest mountain and swim the largest ocean. It is solar powered. It's now 75% off. That is only $8,000. This is a once in a lifetime deal, folks. As you can tell, I'm not much of a talker.

[Kim Holderness]

He's vociferous. Thank you.

[Listener/Caller]

This is Cheryl, his mother. I do give permission. We're from Orland Park, Illinois. Thank you so much for all that you've done. Your videos have been a great support and they're hilarious, so keep them coming.

[Kim Holderness]

Gordon, I am obsessed. I cannot wait to buy your robot for $8,000. Kids are the coolest. And, Gordon, your brain. Could you imagine not having adhd? Like, what our world would be missing if you didn't have it? He is vociferent. I love it.

[Penn Holderness]

Gordon basically finished out the rest of the book that we didn't read. Like, he. Essentially, we could have just.

[Kim Holderness]

Gordon.

[Penn Holderness]

No, no. Think it's amazing. So we talk about inventors in the book. Just so you guys. Gordon, not sure if you know this, but if you read the. The biography of Thomas Edison, there was a lot of discussion about having difficulty concentrating in school. And essentially it's. It's assumed that Thomas Edison and also Maybe Albert Einstein, two of the greatest minds of all time, had ADHD as well. I also caught a little bit of P.T. barnum in this kid, and that is a compliment, right? So that's another great thing about ADHD years is our spontaneity. And so not only do you invent that thing, not only do you find you solve problems a different way. That's part of the ADHD brain. You've got that vociferance and that spontaneity that a good salesman has. Like the greatest salesman of all time, P.T.

[Kim Holderness]

Barnum obsessed. Gordon.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Here's a favor I need from you, Gordon, is I need you to keep in touch with us.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes.

[Kim Holderness]

And I need you to keep calling us and tell us, like, how you're doing and how your inventions are coming. Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

Love the Glizzard. Love the Glizzard. He. I mean, talk about creativity. He made up a new animal, gave it a new name.

[Kim Holderness]

Love it.

[Penn Holderness]

I'm here for it.

[Kim Holderness]

Here's an email from Lisa. My name is Lisa. I have ADHD. I'm 12 years old and was diagnosed with ADHD at 10. My dream job is to be A light technician. Like I set up the colors and flashes for the band Imagine Dragons. Yes. Like that is somebody's job. Right. We sell this to our kids all the time that you, you go through. You know, if you've ever been to Disney World and they have that like electrical light parade or something. Being a light technician is somebody's job.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And so I just love the. And you know, but. And we don't talk about that in school. Right. It's like, oh, I'm gonna be, you know, a lawyer, an accountant, very cool jobs. And I know you could bring an athlete, adhd, creative problem solving to those jobs, but like a light technician.

[Penn Holderness]

How cool is that from Jennifer? Jennifer writes. By the way, Jennifer is Jennifer's younger, right?

[Kim Holderness]

No, she's in.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay. That's right. I was about to say most Jennifer's are our age.

[Kim Holderness]

I know.

[Penn Holderness]

So I was like, if there's a kid named Jennifer, that would be kind of cool.

[Kim Holderness]

Also, if you're a 12 year old named Jennifer, please email us.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, wasn't Jennifer like the number one name? Yes, 1976, we.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, Jennifer Kimberly.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, I knew seven Jennifer.

[Kim Holderness]

Jessica's was another big one from Jennifer.

[Penn Holderness]

I am a certified orientation and mobility specialist for the SC School for the Deaf and Blind. This is a perfect career for someone with adhd because I teach students who are blind or have low vision one at a time. I'm able to individualize their goals and services. My days are varied because I serve students from birth to age 21. Bingo.

[Kim Holderness]

Right?

[Penn Holderness]

Like some variety in your work.

[Kim Holderness]

I love that. So not only is it variety, there's a challenge. I bet every day you're, you're really challenged. And then like there's that feeling I would imagine of being able to help somebody. Oh, perfect ADHD teacher. Perfect job. Perfect job for like I would love that job.

[Penn Holderness]

Kids. Kim was just hitting up the interest based nervous system. If I may. It means that people with ADHD are really good at something if it fills three needs. Number one, they need something that's challenging, that's not like super easy. Right. They need something that is new or novel. Did you hear what she said about it's something different every time. Right. And they need something that's of personal interest. Now that's the one that's very subjective and tailored. For example, our last, our last emailer who talked about lights and Imagine Dragons. They love lights. They love Imagine Dragons. This person I think probably loves teaching. Right. And that's of connecting, that's a personal interest to her.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. We have another voicemail from Blair. And to say that it's okay that your brain works differently.

[Listener/Caller]

Well, Hi, my name's Blair. I'm from Canada, and I didn't know I had ADHD until I saw Pen's song take on under the Sea. You just gotta figure out how your brain works. And if your room's a disaster, that's because you want to see where everything is. If you've seen absence of mind, it. It's because you're thinking about 20 things. You're gonna get there. I did. So go you.

[Kim Holderness]

I love an ADHD cheerleader. I love it. Yeah. And it's. We. We get the opportunity to talk to a lot of parents about their ADHD kids, and we have to say it's not a deficiency, it's not a disorder. It's just a difference. It's just like your brain works differently.

[Penn Holderness]

Can I ask you a question?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Can you tell, like, sometimes. Can you sometimes tell within 10 seconds, 15 seconds if the person that you're talking to has ADHD? Because I'm. I'm getting.

[Kim Holderness]

Blair, you didn't know?

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, hi. No, like, right there. I'm like, blair, you're one of my people. That's how I say hello to people. I think we generally say hello with.

[Kim Holderness]

A lot of energy.

[Penn Holderness]

With a lot of energy.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, that I had.

[Penn Holderness]

Not necessarily all the time, but that felt like.

[Kim Holderness]

And I have to say something. That is a very male way to present with adhd. True, right?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And I think a lot of. There are a lot of introverted women that show up very. That show up very differently.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

So I think that, like, let's not super stereotype that, but. Yes. I mean, that's like a male would present that way.

[Penn Holderness]

That's probably why males get diagnosed three times more than women. While genetically, it's shown that basically the same amount. Has it.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. So inside we're saying, oh, hi, but outwardly, we're like, nice to me.

[Penn Holderness]

So I can tell with women. And to your point, it usually takes a little bit longer. Maybe not 15 seconds, maybe 30 seconds. But it's. I don't know what's happened to me with these two books. Maybe it's just all the interactions that we've had. There are. There are things that I look for, and I want to make this clear. When I see them, I get excited.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

I'm like, oh, my gosh, this person has my kind of brain. Okay, next up, Matt, age 11. We had so many kids.

[Kim Holderness]

I love it.

[Penn Holderness]

Reach out. We don't Always have kids reach out in a podcast about the wrinkles that you get on your face. So thank you, Matt. Matt said, my superpower with ADHD is to learn songs on the drums very quickly.

[Kim Holderness]

Matt's parents. You bought him a drum set. 10 out of 10.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Hunting move right there. That is our. Our ADHD son was into drums for about 30 seconds.

[Penn Holderness]

He was interested long enough for to buy. For us to buy him a set, and then very quickly lost interest. And we were like, oh, darn it, we have.

[Kim Holderness]

So as parents, he was. I think it was during COVID he got very interested in drums. Did the parent thing where he got drum lessons. And it was like he was at a place where they were separated by glass and they wore masks, so it felt safe. And the advice was don't buy a drum set right away. Like, let them hit pillows and stuff like that. And if they're doing that with regularity and practicing on their own, then invest in a drum set.

[Penn Holderness]

So didn't do that.

[Kim Holderness]

No, we did. So I would say that we did about six months of lessons before buying a drum set.

[Penn Holderness]

Was it six?

[Kim Holderness]

Yes, because he had a performance. He had this whole thing. So we did about six months of him banging on pillows. And I was like, okay, he's ready. Let's do this. I'm not kidding you. We buy the drum set and it was like a affordable kids drum set, but still, it was like an investment.

[Penn Holderness]

Nice drum set.

[Kim Holderness]

He played it one time, pronounced. He was done. And what do you do?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, I mean, if you look at our old videos, I had it in the house and I use it to record instead of. Sometimes I use real drum tracks instead of, like, not real. So I played it some, and then we needed to put something else there.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And it. So as a parent, it was like, are you kidding me? We just bought this thing. But what am I gonna force a kid to play a really loud instrument in my house? That was a no. There are some things. It's so funny that he has started been really into and walked away from both of our kids. And if we like it, we're like, okay, well, you know, some. And we don't love everything you do every single minute. Sometimes it's a slog. You gotta stick with it. But if it's something we also don't like the drums, we're like, okay, that's great. And we let him. You know what? Another thing was year on swimming because Lola is super tall. She has your. And she has really long arms. So I think she's built like a swimmer and a lot of people told us that. So we did this summer swim team thing and then maybe she was like nine. And we joined a year round swim club. They have a lot of them here in this area and friends, they practice every day, twice a day. And so we did a six week, our first six week session we did a couple swim meets and PC was younger so it was like dragging him along. You were working night. So it was every day I was doing this. And she came to us in that February after six months and she's like, mom, I'm really sorry. And I know you signed me up. I was like, say less. We're done, we are done. And I was so. But if it had been something I was selfishly invested in, I might have said like, just stick it out through the summer, you'll enjoy it.

[Penn Holderness]

No, I think both of those things ended up not fitting. Like, you know, Lola doesn't have adhd, but this happens with a lot of people. Like, if you're not interested as a kid in something and it's not something you really, really care about, once you get to that level, it's, it's not worth it unless you really, really want to do it.

[Kim Holderness]

But can we talk about that? Because, and, and parents laugh liners weigh in on this and kids who are listening. Our son has told us, the minute you tell me to do something, I want to do it less. And he's not saying it as a threat. He's like, I don't, it's just the.

[Penn Holderness]

Way his brain works.

[Kim Holderness]

He's like, the way my brain works is if you say, hey, you should go play the drums, I instantly want to do it less. I get that. I've had parents. Like, I, I totally get that. But not everything is new and novel and interesting and like all the time. So at what point as parents can we say, okay, not every single day of work as a light technician is exciting and interesting. You have to sort of push through on the boring, the boring middle moments. And we're still trying to figure that out. Because I, I, I'm all for like letting a kid chase what they're into, but at some point, don't you have to stick with something? I'm asking a question.

[Penn Holderness]

It's a tightrope walk for us. And that's why she's asking. And I remember this a little bit as a kid as well. You're right. When a parent says something, you're taking away that child's ability to be independent and to do something on their own. So I don't know if there is any way to do it other than present them with opportunities and offer support. But the motivation has to come from within.

[Kim Holderness]

In.

[Penn Holderness]

That's my theory. Because we're the ones who are giving, saying, hey, let's do this.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Every time we leveled up, they leveled down. So that's why I'm saying I think the motivation has to come from within.

[Kim Holderness]

And they've showed that. I mean, on different things. But I. If you look back, I would. And I do have a lot of conversation with ADHD parents. And by the way, there is a. Like a Facebook page for ADHD adults. Because I think that the fun part of being an ADHD is adults. And I've heard this so many times. You jump in and out of a hobby, right?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And so you buy all the hobby supplies. You buy. Like, I'm going to be super into watercolor. And then you buy the supplies and you do it for a week, a month, six months. And then you're like, I'm good now. I've checked the box. And then you can sell your supplies. Like, you're basically like trading hobbies. I. Hold on, Sam.

[Sam Allen]

I don't think I have adhd, but, man, do I love jumping hobbies.

[Kim Holderness]

It's. It's like your hobby to have a hobby. Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And so. And as an adult, we kind of celebrate it, but as a kid, and my God, I just bought you drums.

[Sam Allen]

But I'm. Can I say something, please? Is such. He loves people, he loves performing. And I wonder if playing the drums for him was going to those classes and getting to perform.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

And then the idea of sitting alone in the house practicing is like, for an ADHD kid, not what they want to do.

[Kim Holderness]

Sometimes it takes somebody else seeing your kid from 30, 000ft to be able to, like, identify it. And, Sam, that's exactly what it is. If you dig apart any other hobby he loves. He loved playing lacrosse. He played lacrosse.

[Penn Holderness]

He loved. In the games. When we're watching games. Yes.

[Kim Holderness]

When there's like an audience practice, like, not so into it. So. Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes. Look, I think every human being on this planet is going to love practicing something that's going to be your thing that you're going to want to do for the rest of your life. Like, you don't mind doing it or. That's the hope. Right. The hope is that you find something that you love and you can't expect anybody to. I didn't find mine until I was in my 40s. The thing, my job. Like, I like working with you.

[Sam Allen]

Sorry, what do you do for.

[Penn Holderness]

We've been doing this for 11 years now.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, you're talking about a hobby that you like to practice. I, I am sorry. Your job.

[Sam Allen]

This might be a great time to throw back to Dr. Emily King's backwards timeline.

[Penn Holderness]

We should, yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Talk about the backwards timeline.

[David Shepherd]

And that brings me to a strategy I often use with high schoolers and sometimes middle schoolers that I just made up working with kids in therapy called the backwards timeline, which is when they don't have motivation to do whatever's in front of them. Like I don't have motivation to do this worksheet. Well, what, where is their motivation? Their motivation may be that they want to live on their own one day. Okay, you want to live on your own one day. So we put that on like the right side of the whiteboard and then we're going to work it backwards. What do you need to live on your own one day?

[Penn Holderness]

Well, independent income.

[David Shepherd]

I would need to have money. Okay, how are you going to get money? I would need to have a job. How are you going to get a job? Oh, I need to graduate from high school. Okay, how are you going to graduate from high school? I have to pass these classes. How are you going to pass these classes? I think I have to do the worksheet.

[Penn Holderness]

We have another comment from Amy and this really speaks to self motivation and it speaks to what I was just talking. There's something you're interested in, you're going to knock it out of the park. And so this is from Amy. Amy's son was diagnosed with ADHD in 8th grade. He bought himself a GoPro with snow plowing money. We'll get back to that. Taught himself how to use it and started his own video production company. 8th grade. It became his post high school career and now he is a successful social media marketing specialist for a large company. No two days are the same. It's always challenging. And he has the ability to hyper focus on an edit as his superpower.

[Kim Holderness]

Amy, he's a baby pen.

[Penn Holderness]

Amy, do you know how many people on YouTube, if you're watching it right now, have ADHD? Because my guess is most. It is a certain type of, of brain that needs to keep people interested for at least or can keep people interested for at least a few seconds, which is the cornerstone of content. Now you have to keep people interested for three or four seconds. Just like, oh, hi. Remember we did, we talked about that. That is in our blood. Kim. Is we talked about this in the podcast as well. Kim might have a little bit of ADHD as well, and that part of it, I think is another reason why you were so good at identifying really good, catchy content and why you're so good at the job as well. But all of us, if we don't have full blown adhd, we at least have a little bit of it.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. We get a call from a mom who ordered the book for her Gen Alpha daughter.

[Listener/Caller]

My daughter is ADHD, 10 years old, gen Alpha. She's very, very, very, very excited about Penn's book. She was excited about the first book, but she is so happy this one is for her. She's asking me about it and I'm not telling her, but I did pre order it at our favorite bookstore where we're going to be going. So I'm going to surprise her with it and she's going to just. I just know she's going to be so happy. I'm just getting a little emotional thinking about it. Also pre ordered Tyler Swift's new album. So it's going to be a pretty big week for both of us. Please keep advocating for ADHD people, because you're really making a difference in this world and I know you're making a difference in our lives.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you first of all, for pre ordering it. Going to your favorite bookstore to do that. Love that. And I hear you that we are very similar to Taylor Swift is what I'm hearing.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, that same.

[Kim Holderness]

We're the same people.

[Penn Holderness]

I mean, it's really. It's the two things everyone's talking about this week.

[Kim Holderness]

Taylor Swift's problem and our new book.

[Penn Holderness]

Can I say that I love Opalite and I love Fate of Ophelia and I. And when I. When Sam, jump on in here. When I do Taylor Swift, I don't go all the way through. I live in each song. So I've only listened to those two so far because someone told me, like, start with those two and then I'm going to work my way down because I need to hear each of them like four or five times so I can live in them.

[Sam Allen]

I think an artist chooses the track list, especially Taylor Swift. So for me, I'm like, top to bottom, I'll listen through the album two or three times.

[Penn Holderness]

All the way down, all the way down.

[Sam Allen]

And then sort of pick and choose which one I like.

[Penn Holderness]

I know most people do that. It's. I have a weird way about it. I just kind of work my way down. Also, is this wild so our daughter is coming in from fall break tonight, which is last week, which is, you know. But I want to listen to it with her.

[Kim Holderness]

So I haven't listened to it at all. I haven't heard one single song because I'm going to listen to it with her. Yeah, Yeah, I know. It's excited. Taylor Swift.

[David Shepherd]

Yep.

[Penn Holderness]

Taylor Swift.

[Kim Holderness]

Is it Taylor Swift who emailed us?

[Penn Holderness]

This is the surprise.

[Kim Holderness]

The surprise. We promise my son. No, it's not.

[Penn Holderness]

What does Taylor Swift have to say?

[Kim Holderness]

Taylor Swift says, my son is 10 and has ADHD. He's extremely artistic. He sketches incredible landscapes, mostly in black and white. He's so focused when he sketches and absolutely loves it. I love that.

[Penn Holderness]

That is another thing that I think we've seen just fight. What we call field research of going to these book signings is there are some incredibly artistic people with ADHD. What about Laura? My daughter is 16 and she has ADHD. I think it's so important for her to have creative thinking time and for the rest of us in the house to abstain from interrupting her when she's in the zone doing homework work. Amen. By the way. That's huge. My daughter has always attracted other neurodivergent people, and her empathetic heart makes her just the best buddy. She's planning to go to school eventually to become a therapist for kids with special needs so she can teach them how awesome they are.

[Kim Holderness]

Sam's crying again.

[Penn Holderness]

Sam's crying again.

[Kim Holderness]

Sam's crying again.

[Sam Allen]

Guys, I'm in a point in my life where I'm thinking about parenting a lot.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

And the kid I'm spending a lot of time around is showing early signs of adhd. And whether he has it or not, like, I just think it's incredible that if he does, there's just. It's such a positive thing. So I think even five or 10 years ago, if you're a parent realizing this, it's so scary.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

And to know, like, it feels more positive than negative right now.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

I don't know.

[Sam Allen]

It's awesome what you're doing.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, you're doing it too, Sammers. I. I hear you. And. And sometimes I think in the par. Journey, when you're in the moment of, oh, my God, my brilliant kid did the homework but forgot to turn it in. Oh, my gosh. My really smart kid got to school and wasn't wearing shoes. And by the way, my husband does this too. He shows up somewhere, it's not wearing shoes. You can get really bogged down in the. The Lip, like. And when I say little, it feels big in the moment, right? It feels really big in the moment.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

But then you, you're able to zoom out and say, oh, my God, my, my kid is so special and has the best heart and it's going to be a therapist and change the world. So I think as ADHD parents and partners, like, you have to look big picture. You have to look down the road and, and hearing these, it, it is, it makes me very emotional.

[Penn Holderness]

And thank you for sharing that too, Sam. And before we go to this voicemail from Robert, we're going to do a quick zoom in to see which one wearing shoes right now. It's me.

[Kim Holderness]

He's like walking in places barefoot.

[Penn Holderness]

I know. Just having some fun with you. Let's hear from Robert.

[Listener/Caller]

Hi, this is Robert from Raleigh. You guys were brilliant for doing a book on adhd because all the kids with ADHD are going to forget their books. They'll have to buy a whole new copy. So you guys just have a constant stream of people who are going to get to buy your book over and over and over again because I keep losing it. I'm impressed. You guys are brilliant. I'll talk to you later. Thanks, Robert.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, so that's not what we did, Obviously not why we did it, but at our very first book signing, this sweet family came and our book had been out for a minute and a half and they were on like their third copy. So they had pre ordered a book, lost it, bought a book to come to the signing, lost that on the way to the signing and then they had to buy another one there. And like, I promise that was not our intention, but yes, you're not wrong. More on this after these words.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Sam Allen]

We just got an email in from David Shepherd. He's a professor at LSU studying adhd.

[Penn Holderness]

Oh.

[Sam Allen]

And his colleagues and him have worked on a VR headset that kids use to block out external distractions and a computer algorithm to detect daydreams or lack of focus to nudge students back on track while they're working on their homework.

[Kim Holderness]

Blinders for a horse.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, okay. I'm here for it. I'm super interested. And. And you're saying that giving an ADHD a VR set is going to help them focus more and that's. No, no, it's a different tie. But I don't. As long as you can't put, you know, Candy Crush on it or anything, I feel like we're off to a good start. Right?

[Sam Allen]

It seems his team created an immersive, immersive distraction free environment to help students stay focused. So when you're in the set, you're the VR headset. You are working on that assignment.

[Kim Holderness]

Wow. People are so smart. Do you Ever. Sometimes, like, look at around the World. Our friend David Fagan, mom, who has been on this podcast, who is literally saving lives. He's using AI. He's putting in, like, all these combinations of, like, rare diseases and medicines that are on the market. And, like, he's. He's saving people's lives. And he is so smart. And I'm like, oh, my God, Thank God they're smart people like you. Do you ever look around the world and you're like, if it was me that had to advance society, I don't even know if I'd get to fire y'.

[Listener/Caller]

All.

[Kim Holderness]

I'd be too scared. I'd maybe get a wheel. I'd maybe get, like, a basket. But I would still be. I'd still be just, like, hunter gatherer, maybe a tent. I might have just found a cave or, like, a good, like, thicket to seek shelter. Like, I just would not be that creative to advance society. Anyway, thanks for listening, guys.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay, so those were the calls that we got. I want to give a shout out at this moment. And this could be the most exciting part of the podcast. I don't know. It might not, but Ann Marie Tapke spent about a month looking for, like, uber celebrities to come on and put something on the laugh lines or, like, send in a video.

[Kim Holderness]

Send in a video.

[Penn Holderness]

She shot high. And I love this about her, right? And I think she got. She got some responses. She got some almost.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. Like, hey, yeah, we'll get on it. And then just, like, number. Follow through.

[David Shepherd]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Like Oprah, would you like to. I don't know if we asked Oprah, but I always admire people for shooting high, especially if they're part of our team. Like, I love it. I love it. So it's possible that in the next week, as we said, we're this. We shot this week ahead of time that someone sends in a video.

[Kim Holderness]

Right?

[Penn Holderness]

So I want to do one of those things where we say, should you.

[Kim Holderness]

Just say everybody's name ever?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Or like, a combination of it to be safe. Like, let's just. Let's just shoot this, and then maybe. Maybe we'll get one. Okay, you ready? Okay. Would you believe it? I don't know if you would believe it, But Michael Phelps, 8 million time gold medalist Michael Phelps, who's actually talked about his ADHD, he sent in something. Michael, thank you so much.

[Kim Holderness]

Simone Biles.

[Penn Holderness]

Would you believe that Simone Biles, the greatest gymnast of all time, sent a video to talk about her ADHD and also to wish us luck on the board hey, Simone. Can you believe Albert Einstein came back from the dead and sent this really touching video about adhd? I want to thank Dan Povenmire, creator. We actually reached out to him of Phineas and Ferb for this little note that he left us about adhd. The greatest basketball player of all time has attributed some of his competitiveness and drive to succeed to adhd. His name is Michael Jordan. Mike, what's up, buddy? Good to hear from you again. She took some time off from her album release and her impending engagement. Taylor Swift. Who knew Taylor Swift had adhd? Tay Tay, what you got? Okay, so if any of them, it'd be greatest. Like one of those. Maybe send a video. And I'm guessing none of them did, but I want to.

[Kim Holderness]

But we're ready for it.

[Penn Holderness]

We're ready for it.

[Kim Holderness]

Onto our segment for Pen's three Piece Nugget. This segment started by accident. We're still waiting on a nug sponsor. Who do we know in the nug space?

[Penn Holderness]

Didn't someone ask you that recently? Do you know anyone in the nug space?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. Yeah. Do we know anybody in the nugget game? Okay. Who we got in the nugget game to sponsor? Pens three piece nuggets, his favorite little nugs from the pod.

[Penn Holderness]

So these are the three nuggets that I got from today's wonderful podcast Outside looking in, because I wrote this beforehand. I just love my wife. She is so self aware and so wonderful and she took the time beforehand to talk a little bit about living with each other like an ADHD or living with a non ADHDer. And I just like, I wake up feeling very lucky that you have that sort of self awareness and we can talk about it and we're stronger because of it. So that's not one of my nuggets. But that's just. Thank you. Okay, that wasn't.

[Kim Holderness]

That's like the mustard sauce on the side.

[Penn Holderness]

That's. That is the McDonald's spicy mustard sauce, which I still maintain is the best sauce you can ever put on any nugget. So, kids, these are three things that I hope you learn from this book. Number one, you are not alone. There are, as we said, millions of us. Millions of us. There are people in your town. There are probably people in your family. There are definitely people in your school. You are not alone. Number two, your brain figures things out in a different way from everyone else. It may seem like a pain at times, especially like when you're trying to show your work or you are part of a very Clear process in a class. That could be frustrating, but it is a gift. Number three, the older you get, the better you are going to be at making the most of your brain. And that's going to take some work. Things that are easy to you are hard to other people. Creativity, spontaneity, all these things we talked about, but also things that are easy to everyone else are going to be hard for you. So that's where the work comes in. But if you have some work and some patience, when you figure it out, I cannot wait to see what you're going to become. That's number three.

[Kim Holderness]

I love my three piece nugs. And now I'm craving nuggets. Nuggets.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Well, let's get nuggets for lunch.

[Kim Holderness]

We're gonna get nuggets for lunch. Oh, look at Sam's face.

[Penn Holderness]

Sam's so excited.

[Kim Holderness]

Reminder. Shameless Plug. Where you're gonna get the book? Anywhere books are sold. We love a local bookstore. So if you go into your local bookstore and they don't have it, you can ask for it and they can order it for you. But then also just like the normal online things, because no shade.

[Penn Holderness]

I.

[Kim Holderness]

If I want a book, sometimes I just click online and I just. It appears in my door. So I get that too.

[Penn Holderness]

Thank you guys for making it to the end of this podcast. It also, it always makes me super happy when people make it to the end.

[Kim Holderness]

Leave a review if you get the book and you like it. If you don't like it, maybe zip it.

[Penn Holderness]

I don't. Can I be honest? I want to hear both sides. Like, that's. I'm totally okay with that. No, Kim doesn't want to hear both sides.

[Kim Holderness]

No, I do, I do. I mean, because we have another book that we have coming out next year and maybe we can wrap in some feedback.

[Penn Holderness]

There you go. Yeah, guys, Laugh Lines is written and produced by Pen Holderness, Kim Holderness and Anne Marie Tapke with original music by Pen Holderness. It's filmed, edited and live produced by Sam Allen and hosted by acast. As always, we love to hear from you. So please write to [e-mail] or leave.

[Kim Holderness]

A voicemail at oh, 323-364-3929 and we.

[Penn Holderness]

Will talk to you very soon on the Laughline.

[Kim Holderness]

Bye.

[Penn Holderness]

Love you.

[Kim Holderness]

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