Best of Laugh Lines 2025

Summary

Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness

Episode: Best of Laugh Lines 2025
Release Date: December 23, 2025
Hosts: Kim & Penn Holderness

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Episode Overview

This special “Best of Laugh Lines 2025” episode celebrates the first full year since the podcast’s rebrand, looking back at the funniest, most touching, and most insightful moments of the past year. Kim and Penn Holderness revisit favorite listener call-ins and expert guest segments, getting updates from beloved contributors, reflecting on lessons about marriage, aging, ADHD, parenting, and, of course, sharing plenty of laughs. The hosts also showcase their signature segments—including “Are We Too Old For…,” generational slang, and even a blind soda taste test—making this a great entry point for new and long-time listeners alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Anniversary Reflections & Listener Connections

[03:11]

• Kim and Penn express gratitude for their engaged listener community, who have submitted hundreds of heartfelt, hilarious, and occasionally corrective messages.
• The hosts emphasize how interacting with their audience has been their “favorite part” of the show’s evolution.

2. Marriage Advice from Peggy (Kim’s Mom)

[05:15; 07:06]

• Peggy, Kim’s mom, left the first voicemail of the rebranded Laugh Lines. She surprised Kim (and listeners) with frank advice on marriage:
  • “Sex is important. You guys, all week, talk about what your problems are. Work through them more than anything else. Do it.” — Peggy [05:54]
• Peggy calls back with a gentler tip:
  • “Be kind to one another. Always be kind... Marriage ought to be a place where smiles happen a lot. People that tell me marriage is work, I go, oh, my gosh, what kind of marriage have you got if all you’re doing is working? Have fun and be kind to one another.” — Peggy [07:32]
• The hosts candidly and humorously reflect on the awkwardness (and wisdom) of getting “spicy” relationship tips from a parent.

3. The “Fart Walk Lady” – Last Frontier of Feminism

[09:22]

• Marilyn Smith, a listener dubbed the “Fart Walk Lady,” recaps why she and her husband made after-dinner “fart walks” a ritual:
  • “I started farting outwardly at 50. That was… like the last frontier of feminism. Ladies, let it rip.” — Marilyn [09:41]
• On whether she’ll continue the tradition for the holidays:
  • “You bet your colon I am. It’s kind of like self preservation… better out than in.” — Marilyn [10:54]
• Kim and Penn delight in the authenticity and humor, even joking, “You bet your colon—that’s a T-shirt.” [11:22]

4. Celebrating Neurodiversity: Gordon’s ADHD Inventions

[11:55; 12:34]

• 10-year-old Gordon called in to talk about discovering he has ADHD and his plans to become a creative inventor:
  • “I think my brain is special because I’m very creative and…I’d like to build, like, robots.” — Gordon [11:55]
• In his update, Gordon invents a new animal species and shares a handmade joke (“because someone was hogging all the covers” [13:30])—showcasing ADHD’s strengths.
• Penn underscores how ADHD brains flourish at creative ideation, saying, “That’s ADHD: freedom of thought and freedom of expression.” [15:06]

5. Correcting Penn—Science Nuggets, Apologies, and Space Talk

[19:04 – 26:32]

• Listener Pam from Massachusetts calls out Penn for mixing up “rotations” vs. “revolutions” (space talk).
• Penn’s self-deprecating apology montage becomes a comedic highlight. Pam responds, suggesting he include “science tidbits and nuggets” in every episode. [21:31]
• Discussion meanders to Penn’s desire to start his own space/ADHD podcast, jokingly titled “Space Cadet.”
  • “If we did a Penn Space Corner, it would be 90% me apologizing.” – Penn [22:45]
• The segment also pokes fun at how friends and family interact differently with Penn’s love of esoterica compared to Kim’s more grounded responses.

6. Adventures in Gen Z Slang & Parenting with ADHD

[27:09; 27:29]

• Listener Lisa discusses the joys—and pitfalls—of speaking Gen Z Lingo with her teenage son, including dabbing (to his dismay):
  • “We communicate using full-on Gen Z lingo…But no cap, I do not dab in public. I’m not a monster.” — Lisa [28:06]
• Lisa shares a creative ADHD parenting tip: swapping “do your chores now” with lingo (“Bruh, if this trash is still here in 10 minutes, I’m a low key crash out.”)
• The segment ends with son PC giving Lisa props for her “slay” communication style.

7. Empty Nest: College Drop-Offs, Milk Expirations, and Letting Go

[30:01; 31:50]

• Kaya, a listener, shares how her oldest leaving for college triggered a grocery store breakdown upon seeing the milk expiry date past her daughter’s move-out.
  • “The milk expires after she will already be leaving for college. And I stood in the aisle of the Kroger and cried…” — Kaya [30:35]
• Kim and Penn open up about the emotional transition and personal “grief” over their daughter Lola leaving.
• Kaya’s update: She’s transitioned from crying in grocery stores to calculating how much sweet tea to provide during college breaks—and her maternal instincts correctly predicted her daughter’s first college romance. [32:38]
• Kim and Penn also riff on “Diet Pepsi vs Diet Coke” loyalty, performing a blind taste test on air:
  • “Nothing hits better than like a crispy Diet Coke from McDonald’s.” — Kim [36:35]

8. Expert Wisdom: Gretchen Rubin on Friendship After Kids Leave

[37:05]

• Clip and voicemail from bestselling author Gretchen Rubin (“Happier”) advocates for parents to focus on forging new friendships after kids move away:
  • “Now that you’ve had some experience with your child leaving and returning…aim to make one or two new friends.” [38:51]
• Both hosts acknowledge how expanding their social circles (as awkward as that may be) can help match the “growth” their kids are experiencing in college.
• Kim openly strategizes steps for making new friends as an adult, noting, “For whatever reason, my brain is not chill with this stuff. I need to say, like, yes, I have to make two friends…” [42:47]

9. Penn’s 2025 Nuggets—Three Takeaways from the Year

[46:48]

• As a “nuggets” segment, Penn shares his annual takeaways:
  1. Aliens are probably here. “There’s just been a lot of drone stuff and UAP stuff going on this year. I think they’re here.” — Penn [47:11]
  2. We’re going to kick Alzheimer’s ass. Advances in medicine and awareness give real hope.
  3. The world is more fluent in ADHD. There’s growing awareness and support for neurodiversity, as evidenced by young listeners and classroom stories.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [05:54] Peggy (Kim’s Mom):
  “Sex is important… Work through them [problems] more than anything else. Do it. Love you. Bye.”
  (Kim gasps and covers her face in comic embarrassment; Penn jokes about ending every Peggy sentence with ‘in bed’.)

• [09:41] Marilyn Smith (“Fart Walk Lady”):
  “I started farting outwardly at 50… The last frontier of feminism, ladies. Let it rip.”

• [10:54] Marilyn Smith (Update):
  “You bet your colon I am [fart walking on Christmas]… better out than in.”

• [13:30] Gordon (10):
  “The reason why any of the animals in the barn couldn’t sleep is because someone was hogging all the covers. That’s it from me. Gordon out.”

• [21:31] Pam (Science Correction):
  “You should include, like, science nuggets and just throw a couple of little factoids out there each time you have a podcast.”

• [28:06] Lisa (Gen Z Mom):
  “No cap, I do not dab in public. I’m not a monster. Besides, a well-placed dab loses its effectiveness if you do it too much.”

• [30:35] Kaya:
  “I stood in the aisle of the Kroger and cried my eyeballs out.”

• [36:35] Kim (Diet Coke):
  “Nothing hits better than like a crispy Diet Coke from McDonald’s.”

• [38:51] Gretchen Rubin:
  “Aim to make one or two new friends. Your child has been expanding their social circle. Now it’s time for you to do the same thing for yourself.”

• [47:11] Penn:
  “Aliens are probably here...there’s just been a lot of drone stuff and UAP stuff going on this year.”

• [48:56] Kim (ADHD Book Reception):
  “[Reading our ADHD book] brought up a lot of conversations from neurotypical kids about their friends with ADHD… If we could all just understand each other a little better, I think life would be a lot better.”

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:11 – Show intro, reflections on connecting with listeners
• 05:15 – Peggy’s spicy marriage advice (and update)
• 09:22 – Marilyn Smith and the “Fart Walk” feminism
• 11:55 / 12:34 – Gordon and the creativity of ADHD
• 19:04 – Listener Pam’s scientific correction and apology montage
• 27:09 – Lisa (Gen Z lingo mom) & ADHD parenting strategies
• 30:01 – Kaya’s milk breakdown (empty nest feels)
• 32:38 – Kaya’s college update and the sweet tea dilemma
• 34:14 – Penn & Kim blind taste test: Diet Coke vs. Diet Pepsi
• 37:05 – Gretchen Rubin’s friendship challenge for parents
• 46:48 – Penn’s Nuggets: Year-end takeaways on aliens, Alzheimer’s, and ADHD
• 50:13 – Credits and sincere thanks from the hosts to their team and audience

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Tone & Atmosphere

Warm, candid, self-deprecating, and playful—Penn and Kim blend honest discussion of aging, parenting, and neurodiversity with the comic timing and relatability that have defined their viral video and podcast careers. They embody the idea that getting older can—and should—be met with curiosity, connection, and plenty of laughter.

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Final Thoughts

A deeply relatable, high-spirited look at family, marriage, and life’s transitions, “Best of Laugh Lines 2025” offers both big laughs and actionable wisdom. Whether it’s letting go (of kids or embarrassing taboos), nerding out over science, or learning to make friends as adults, Kim and Penn show that growing older can still mean growing better—especially if you’re willing to laugh along the way.

Transcript

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

You know, totally possible. None of it's going to matter if the aliens show up by the time this podcast comes out.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh my gosh, the way it hits. It's my fridge cigarette.

[Penn Holderness]

You bet your colon that's a T shirt.

[Kim Holderness]

Happy holidays. Happy New Year. That's so weird.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, we get older every day. Couple wrinkles. That's okay. Yeah, we're laughing when we stage. Life is like a comedy stage. And that's why we got land.

[Kim Holderness]

Hey everybody, I'm Kim Holderness.

[Penn Holderness]

And I'm Penn Holderness. Happy holidays and thank you so much for joining us on Laugh Lines.

[Kim Holderness]

If you ever rode in the back rear facing of a station wagon all the way to North Carolina and your mother was too cheap to stop for food, so made turkey sandwiches that had to last like three days, you're home.

[Penn Holderness]

It's very specific.

[Kim Holderness]

That's very, that's what we would borrow my grandparents station wagon to take our.

[Penn Holderness]

Road trips and to the old Nantahala.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, we went to the old Nantahala village every year. Every year. Anyway. Do you remember those? So good.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, I see. I don't know that we actually had seats though. I think we just rode rear facing in a station wagon on the ground or in a pickup truck.

[Kim Holderness]

You just have memories of like the back of the car.

[Penn Holderness]

I was more often like right up against the tire. The rear tire, like the little hump rear tire in the back of either a pickup truck or a station wagon swashing around.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you for coming on this journey with us. Over the past year, we rebranded the podcast, we called it Laugh Lines and we have loved being able to connect with you. This year we got hundreds and hundreds of voicemails and emails and we have tried our very best to read everyone. And this year for the best of the laugh Lines, we're going to be revisiting some of our favorites and getting some fun updates to our favorite guests.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, the, the connection with you guys has been really cool. We can, we can tell that you're watching and paying attention. We can tell you're paying very close attention, very close attention when you need to correct mostly. And so I'm very grateful for that and looking forward to more of that. Anyway, this is, this is our last laugh. Lines of the year. We're going to take a couple of years, a couple of weeks off, a couple of years, a couple of weeks off. We're going to be back in mid January, so we hope this will tide you over until then. But again, to echo Kim, like, the. The back and forth has been my favorite part of the way that we've sort of rebranded this show starting last year.

[Kim Holderness]

Just so you know, Ann Marie, our producer, reached out to some of these folks for updates. And I'm. Or I'm seeing in the list here that Peggy. Peggy's my mother. And she was the very first voicemail we played on the rebranded laugh lines. And she had in our first episode was like, 10 lessons we learned from our 20 years of marriage. And she gave us some, like, spicy, sexy time marriage advice. So I didn't know her voicemail was going to be played on air. And there's just something about, like, hearing your mom talk about sex.

[Caller/Guest]

Hi, Kim and Ken, this is Mom. And as you know, I've been married for quite some time, and I always give people two pieces of relationship advice whenever they ask for it. You're probably not going to want to hear, but I say it all the time to people. Sex is important. You guys, all week, talk about what your problems are. Work through them more than anything else. Do it. Love you. Bye.

[Kim Holderness]

This flies in the face and for everything she told me in high school, I'll have you know.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. She's gone a full 180 from high school. She didn't say that to you when you were, like, walking out to a party in 11th grade. Just, sex is important.

[Kim Holderness]

Sex is important. Could you imagine?

[Penn Holderness]

Now, listen, I love it when a mom talks to their daughter about stuff and doubles down, like, saying, sex is important. That's all she needed to say. She don't say anything else. Hits you with the. Just do it at the end. Like a band, like a dismount. That was strong. And she knew because your mom's fun that she was going to cause you to cover your entire face with your arm in. In shame. And I think she enjoyed that a lot.

[Kim Holderness]

Now, do we have an update?

[Penn Holderness]

Peggy called back.

[Kim Holderness]

Peggy called back.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Oh, boy.

[Caller/Guest]

Hi, Kim and Pen. Well, guess what? It's mom again. The last time I told everybody to have more sex, and I didn't know it was going to be played live on air, and I was a little embarrassed. But this time, I'm going to stay a little bit cleaner here. Grandpa and I have a wonderful marriage, and. And we love each Other very much because we always follow the same advice. I'm going to give everybody now.

[Penn Holderness]

Don't be. It is.

[Caller/Guest]

Be kind to one another. Always be kind to one another. Now you get to translate in bed for us. It comes into little things, like if I'm sitting on the couch. If he's sitting on the couch and he's got a coffee cup, save him a few steps. I'll pick up his coffee cup and I'll take it, and I'll put it in the dishwasher. Always say thank you polite. And that's being kind to one another. Sometimes being kind to one another is not murdering the other one when you're ticked off with them. But you get to define what being kind to one another. I just think that it ought to be a pleasant thing, marriage. It ought to be a place where smiles happen a lot. People that tell me marriage is work, I go, oh, my gosh, what kind of marriage have you got if all you're doing is working? Have fun and be kind to one another. That's my advice.

[Kim Holderness]

Aw. That. That is what my mom did tell me on our wedding day. Just find ways to be kind every day. She really didn't talk about sex, I promise. But I think we. We strive for that. You. I think you are naturally nicer than I am, so that I have to remind myself to grab your. But I do pick up after, like, I do grab the dishes, and I do stuff like that.

[Penn Holderness]

I think that your parents exemplify this very, very well. If you watch. And she. I'm glad she called and shared this with everyone else. We see it on a regular basis. They live nearby. We see that kindness. And there's a great example. The problem is now, because the way we set it up, every time I heard her say anything, I was ending the sentence with in bed. In bed.

[Kim Holderness]

Like you read a Chinese fortune.

[Penn Holderness]

Just be kind and have fun in bed. That's now, because of the way that we set this up, unfortunately. Peggy, you're a pervert, and we love you and you're a great example to us, but that's just the way it is.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, next, when we came across the Fart walk lady, AKA Marilyn Smith, we knew we had to have her on the show. We just named the after dinner walk the Fart Walk, because it happened. And I started farting, you know, out loud when I turned 50. It's like an epiphany. It was like the last frontier of feminism. And so we both fart. Like, he doesn't have to walk behind Me. We're walking together and. Yeah. So we just started calling it the fart walk. The last frontier of feminism, ladies. Let it rip.

[Penn Holderness]

I love the way that she said, I started farting outwardly at 50. That was why I was. I remember vividly thinking that was the funniest delivery, because it is kind of like coming out, you know, it's something. It's. There's some shit. I don't. Look, I'm not trying to say it's as important or as, like, seminal a.

[Kim Holderness]

Moment, but Sam is behind there going.

[Penn Holderness]

Like, you live with a lot of shame and you don't, like, you know, you know, that society might judge you differently because of this. And she came out and she did it.

[Kim Holderness]

Sam, do you have any. Is it. Is it coming out and farting just like coming out?

[Penn Holderness]

I'm proud of you, Pen. Thank you.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you.

[Penn Holderness]

See, I knew she was gonna. And.

[Kim Holderness]

And I support you.

[Penn Holderness]

Do you feel connected now? Like, for.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, oh, my God, stop talking.

[Penn Holderness]

Is this like a 50 year old woman who's like, guess what, guys?

[Kim Holderness]

I fart.

[Penn Holderness]

I'm farting.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. She was on episode 12, fart walks, birds and squirrels. And I don't think we've ever laughed so hard with a guest. And we asked her for an update if she'd be fart walking on Christmas.

[Penn Holderness]

Look at this.

[Kim Holderness]

And here's your answer. I love her so much. Am I going for a fart walk on Christmas? You bet your colon I am. It's kind of like self preservation. I mean, really, you got a house full of people and you're all going to sit around after a huge dinner and fart or, you know, or worse, hold them in. No, I say better out than in. So, yeah, we all go for a fart walk after dinner. And you feel so much better.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. The holidays are the most important times for fart walks because we're not eating well and we need to really push. Push that stuff out. You bet your colon. That's a T shirt. That's a T shirt.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you for the update. Some of our very favorite voicemails have been from kids and teens and tweens. We had no idea how many teens and tweens were listening to these episodes. So Gordon was one of our favorite, and he was in episode 26, all you can be with ADHD for kids, where he told us about his inventions.

[Caller/Guest]

Hi, my name is Gordon. I am 10 years old. I am calling with my mom's permission, just so you know. And I found out I have adhd and that I'm awesome because ADHD is awesome. I think my brain is special because I'm very creative and what I want to be when I grow up, I would like to be an inventor and I'd like to build, like, robots. Like, coming by the Alpha 113 processor unit.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. We had to ask Gordon to give us a life update, and he called us back and even had a joke for us.

[Caller/Guest]

Hello, I am Gordon, coming back to speak to you yet again. I have created a new species of animals. I call them the Tormicon species. There's like a hierarchy of them. The Tormagans are the biggest and the strongest of the bunch. And then there's the term the second biggest of the bunch. And then there's the Tormicon, which is the basic. They're at constant war with the Volcanus, led by their leader, which is a hydra called Molcanus. He's blind and poisonous to the touch. Anyways, it's time for the joke of the day that I made up, but it might have already been made up. I don't know.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. Is that fam.

[Caller/Guest]

Why couldn't any animals in the barn sleep?

[Penn Holderness]

That's his thinking. Sorry.

[Caller/Guest]

The reason why any of the animals in the barn couldn't sleep is because someone was hogging all the covers. That's it from me. Gordon out.

[Penn Holderness]

All right.

[Kim Holderness]

I love Gordon so much.

[Penn Holderness]

That's a mic drop moment. Can I. Can I, like, use my sort of adhd, please? Ometer here and talk about all of the great things that he exemplifies all of the upsides. First of all, do you know what a hydra is?

[Kim Holderness]

No.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay, that's fine. It's. It's a two headed, three headed monster sometimes. Like, remember Percy Jackson?

[Kim Holderness]

Yes.

[Penn Holderness]

When they were fighting in the pantheon.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes.

[Penn Holderness]

That was. That was a hydra.

[Kim Holderness]

Got it.

[Penn Holderness]

All right, so Gordon has created a species that if you're not watching us on YouTube, he gave us specs. Okay. So he's got height, he's got wingspan. The most interesting thing about the Tormigan and the Tormican is that all of the parts of their body that he wishes would have hands have hands. So his. So the feet are like little hands, and then his arms have hands, and then coming out of his butt or like, side are these two just random extra hands. So if you're trying to carry stuff, I get.

[Kim Holderness]

I have to say, how handy would it be to have hands that came out of your waist?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm thinking carrying a grocery bag, carrying a kit, like a Toddler, right? You just like put it on there. Like for women, you could carry stuff and apply eyeliner. Like, I think having hands coming out of your waist, Gordon, you're onto something.

[Penn Holderness]

And. And here's the top thing on coming out of his shoulders where a wing would be. It looks like those are wings. Guess what, guys?

[Kim Holderness]

Hands.

[Penn Holderness]

The wings have hands. The wings have hands.

[Kim Holderness]

They're honestly, like brilliant.

[Penn Holderness]

Gordon, there might. Coming out of his head, there's something that could potentially be a little happy. Like, that could be a hand.

[Kim Holderness]

So just, just like scooping things up in your head.

[Penn Holderness]

Right? And so I'm watch looking at this and I'm. The same thing is going through my mind. That's going through your mind. Like, boy, that would be handy. Handy. And that's. That's adhd. That's. We like, there have been studies, they've asked people with ADHD to dream up something against neurotypical people and that people with ADHD do it in this, like, in this freedom of thought and freedom of expression and inspiration way that. Not that people with neurotypical brains can't do on average that, like, other people don't see. So if you have adhd, I want you to know that you have that gene in you that Gordon has. Gordon is expressing it magnificently right now and is ahead of even me and trying to imagine an alien species. So I think that's really cool.

[Kim Holderness]

I could see Gordon, like being an author of like a fantasy book series.

[Caller/Guest]

Exactly what I was thinking, right?

[Kim Holderness]

Like, I was like, I want to read this. I know. Like, I want to see like the. Like he had a storyline like, okay, Gordon, you're going to come on our pod when you have your first brook out.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. And I'm sure he's got reasoning behind all of this. Like, he didn't want to bore us with it. But why is the Tourmagon taller and wider than the Tormicon? Like, what's their relationship? He's thought this stuff through, folks.

[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

That's balanceofnature.com and use Code Holderness. Time. It's always vanishing. The commute, the errands, the work functions, the meetings. Selling your car. Unless you sell your car with carvana, get a real offer in minutes. Get it picked up from your door. Get paid on the spot so fast you'll wonder what the catch is. There isn't one. We just respect you and your time. Oh, you're still here. Move along now. Enjoy your day. Sell your car today. Pick up. Fees may apply. I don't know if you could tell from this podcast in particular, but my husband, it matters a lot to him, so I am trying to really pay attention and learn. But he talks a lot about space. He talks a lot about like space and time. And like even this morning we were like, could the who's and who feel. Could we be on a snowflake? Like we. We have a lot of. We have a lot of conversations. Okay. Pam left us a voicemail from episode 31, aging is actually awesome, where she corrected Penn about rotations versus revolutions and he. So he was wrong when he initially spoke. Right?

[Penn Holderness]

Mistake.

[Kim Holderness]

It was a mistake. So he had to. He had to make some passive aggressive apologies.

[Penn Holderness]

Hey Pam, sorry I made you yell at your. Your car. Maybe we've got some anger issues we've got to talk about that cause you to yell at your car. But you are 100 right? I. I'm sorry. You're 100 right? And we're gonna spell the @ y.

[Kim Holderness]

R. Maybe instead of framing this as an apology, we frame this as gratitude for.

[Penn Holderness]

Pam. Pam, thank you for pointing out the one mistake that I made in a two or three minute alert. Hey Pam. I'm sorry if what I did offended.

[Kim Holderness]

You. No, no. Take five.

[Penn Holderness]

Pam. I'm sorry that I mixed up those two things. I am a useless human.

[Kim Holderness]

Being.

[Penn Holderness]

No. No sense.

[Kim Holderness]

Of.

[Penn Holderness]

No. No.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

No. Pam, you're a damn American hero for taking some time out of your busy.

[Kim Holderness]

Schedule. I think one of my favorite editing jobs that Sam has done, and she's done a lot. If you hang out with the chicken nuggets, it was just like the apology that Penn had to put together. Okay, so.

[Penn Holderness]

What? The fourth episode we've talked.

[Kim Holderness]

About. Yeah. So, by the way, this is why we have a. A five dollar globe here, because Penn has had to explain himself so many times and he kept asking for a ball, so now we have an actual globe. Pam gave us a call.

[Penn Holderness]

Back. She.

[Kim Holderness]

Did?

[Penn Holderness]

Yes. Oh.

[Caller/Guest]

Yay. Hi, Kim and Penn. This is Pam from Massachusetts. I'm calling to thank you for my formal apology extended cut version. That was really funny. I was honored that you thought to include my voicemail in first place. And then to issue a formal apology was so cool. And then it just kept going and going and going. It was really, really funny. So thank you. I got a good laugh out of that. I think you should include science tidbits and nuggets in all of your podcasts because it's just such an awesome subject and clearly one of your passions. So in addition to your little nuggets from whatever your podcast is about that day, you should include, like, science nuggets and just throw a couple of little factoids out there each time you have a podcast. I think that would be.

[Kim Holderness]

Fun. Well, first of all, thank you, Pam, that I asked. We got into, like, deep into space talk, and I said, hey, guys, if you actually make it to this part of the podcast, screenshot, it. We had a lot of people who made it through the space talk, so maybe we put in Penn Space.

[Penn Holderness]

Corner. Okay. But you know what this really.

[Kim Holderness]

Is?

[Penn Holderness]

What? It's not really me learning about teaching people about space. It's people correcting me when I get something wrong about space. It's fine. And Pam was very polite the first time. Second time, Pam, we ordered a globe online so that I. When next time someone asks me about orbit or space or whatever, I can use this. Because we've had to use weird things like alien heads and whatnot. I think I just broke.

[Kim Holderness]

It. It was very expensive. The budget of the podcast, we're working on it.

[Penn Holderness]

So. No, but there we.

[Kim Holderness]

Go. Any globe sponsors out.

[Penn Holderness]

There? Yeah, this is the fourth episode we've talked about. Me messing up rotation versus revolution and it's great. Like I enjoy it. I think that the whole thing with Pam that I enjoyed and the great edit was it really wasn't about space. It was about how should you really apologize to someone. That's what that was about. And sometimes people when they apologize, don't genuinely apologize like me. They try to explain what they meant and then throw in stuff like I'm sorry.

[Kim Holderness]

If.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. And we've actually gotten better at that over time, I think as human beings, you and I. I don't know that I was great at it at first and I'm glad that I've gotten better at it. But if we did a penn space corner, it would be 90% me.

[Kim Holderness]

Apologizing. How about this? If there's a big advancement like when the comet we thought was going to hit our Earth, like didn't like if there's a big newsworthy space like Atlas 3, I.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes. Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. If there's that, then we will include.

[Penn Holderness]

It. I'll be happy to do it. I'm glad to do it. Just so you know, it was never going to hit.

[Kim Holderness]

Earth. I know. I think I was sort of hoping. I was having a down.

[Penn Holderness]

Week. It was. The concern was that it was going to make a trajectory. It was going to make a non natural trajectory correction and then after it went around the sun, it was going to change its course to get closer to Earth, which it.

[Kim Holderness]

Did. For the record, I did not want it to hit Earth. It was just a bad week. The news was not good. We were not acting right as humans. And so I figured, you know, like let's control alt delete this and just see what happens. But that's fine. I was not actually hoping for it to hit.

[Penn Holderness]

Earth. It went around the Earth and it around the sun shed some mass because that's what comets do when they get close to a large gravitational. Took some ozempi, took a little zempi, got a little prickett zimps and then on the way back around it was on a slightly different trajectory. Which is what, which is what happens when you change mass. And we haven't really gotten a great look at it yet, but it's on its way to like Mars or Jupiter. And then the next time we get a look at it, the hope is that we see a long tail which is all the debris from the sun. And if we don't see a long tail and it just looks like itself, then it's a spaceship and we're all going to.

[Kim Holderness]

Die. We don't know if they're going to die. We don't.

[Penn Holderness]

Know. We're not. I mean, if. If an alien race, it could already be here. You know how I feel. If it's coming to us from a long way out, which is where I mean, they've been able to calculate that this is coming from outside the solar system. It's a trans. Solar system kind of.

[Kim Holderness]

Item.

[Penn Holderness]

Trans. I got that wrong, too. If it's coming to us, it's not coming to be like, hey, what's up? We just want to hang.

[Kim Holderness]

Out. I do think you need to have a podcast where you just ask these questions, because this.

[Penn Holderness]

Is. I would love.

[Kim Holderness]

To. This is your.

[Penn Holderness]

Passion. I want to do my own.

[Kim Holderness]

Podcast.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. And call it Space Cadet. And it's a double entendre, meaning about adhd. Sam's going to produce it. I was so excited about it. I already made a podcast cover. I remember. Did you? I had already designed.

[Kim Holderness]

It. I was so ready. I can't wait for you two to do.

[Penn Holderness]

This. And it would get fives of sixes of.

[Kim Holderness]

Views. No, I have to say this. I. Maybe for 2026, this goes on the vision.

[Penn Holderness]

Board. Maybe just because of how.

[Kim Holderness]

Much. So it's an ADHD slash space.

[Penn Holderness]

Podcast, slash ET conspiracy, age of disclosure kind of.

[Kim Holderness]

Thing. Questions that Pen has had to keep his mouth shut about.

[Caller/Guest]

Right. In.

[Kim Holderness]

Order. Okay, so here's. Here's the question of our audience. Would you like for Sam and Penn to produce a podcast called Space Cadet where he, like, asks the questions and talks about this complicated space stuff with a sprinkle of.

[Penn Holderness]

Adhd? Could you be on it? Because it's really funny with you on it. Because, like, I'll say stuff about Atlas. It's not that interesting. And then you'll say, well, it's just been a rough week. I was hoping it would come hit us. And that's really the best stuff I.

[Kim Holderness]

Could. I could. And, yeah, and Sam could do that, too. I'm also depressed.

[Penn Holderness]

Pen. Oh, good. Okay. So we got. Sam's doing it. Okay, good. Very.

[Kim Holderness]

Good. Yeah. So I think, like, I could come in, like, you could have guests and I could be a.

[Penn Holderness]

Guest.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. But, yeah, I. I think this is. I think this is. I think you need somebody who's, like, probably could keep up with.

[Penn Holderness]

It. It's. The big challenge is I've. We've met a bunch of actual space people through this podcast, and you've got to find the ones that explain things like, like, to me, like, I'm an idiot, which I AM but if you get these people are so smart and they're so used to talking to people with incredibly high.

[Kim Holderness]

IQs.

[Penn Holderness]

Right? But that's hard to listen to unless you dumb it down enough for people to have like really like things around here that they can relate to. Like a.

[Kim Holderness]

Globe. I think we can make it happen. 20:26 okay and we know how profitable this podcast has.

[Penn Holderness]

Been. So when we had another with all of the money in this room coming from this.

[Kim Holderness]

Podcast. Okay. One of our most popular shows, especially on YouTube was episode 14 ask a Gen Z with PC Holderness with my son and we had so many funny calls into the show but Lisa took the.

[Caller/Guest]

Cake. My kids actually like it when I learn their lingo. I have a 13 year old son and he appreciates that I know what he's talking about and he doesn't have to dumb down his language. But one thing I do that makes him just helpless cringe is I still.

[Kim Holderness]

Dab. We asked Lisa to give us an update on her Gen Z lingo and some recent.

[Caller/Guest]

Developments. Oh we definitely still communicate using full on Gen Z lingo. I mean asking him for a fit check especially to get his approval on kicks. Very normal thing around here. We both have adhd so do your chores now is not really, really as effective for him as Bruh. If this trash is still here in 10 minutes I'm a low key crash out. Please pass on to PC. Thank you for the awesome compliments. My son is definitely a great man. But no cap, I do not dab in public. I'm not a monster. Besides, a well placed dab loses its effectiveness if you do it too.

[Kim Holderness]

Much. Okay Lisa Lowkey like she slayed. You slay. I think, I don't think she she ate. Yeah, she.

[Penn Holderness]

Cooked. I love anytime people talk about creative solutions to things that are tough for people with adhd. So it's so like she was telling funny stories and doing a bunch of new lingo and then I just went when she said the way that she communicated with her son about finishing chores and she did it in a creative way that made her son smile or laugh or like had a different reaction from do your chores. So whether you know it or not, Lisa, you just set a fantastic example for how to partner with parent or love someone with adhd. So I'm just going to give you a.

[Kim Holderness]

Broad. Oh I love that. No.

[Penn Holderness]

Cap. No cap. Of course we needed PC to hear this and get his reaction from that.

[Kim Holderness]

Voicemail. That was a lot more than I.

[Penn Holderness]

Expected. Yes, kind of caught Me off guard a little.

[Kim Holderness]

Bit. I mean, if that works with your son. It works. Love to see.

[Penn Holderness]

It. You know, working on adhd, you.

[Kim Holderness]

Know, the book that you'll have. If I started talking with the lingo. That's still a no. No. That's. That's a no. But very cool that they communicate. Yeah. If that works for them, it works for.

[Penn Holderness]

Them. I like.

[Kim Holderness]

That. I like that. I like that. Okay. Any updates on your life.

[Penn Holderness]

2025? Not really, except for I have my own.

[Kim Holderness]

Podcast. Tell. Hey, listen to it. Hey, yeah, what's it called? Playbook. Okay. Just talk about football. Listen to.

[Penn Holderness]

It. For Kim and I, a big topic of conversation on both our Instagram, Facebook, YouTube videos and also here on the podcast has been the fact that our daughter went off to college this past fall. There have been tears. There have been some, like, we've gotten some great advice. I think you and I have, like, helped talk through it here on this set. And so thank you for listening to us do that. And like, a part of that was talking to you. And man, Kaya had on episode 20, when we talked about college, Drop off Reflections and Distractions had a fantastic.

[Caller/Guest]

Contribution. Hi, my name is Kaya. I'm from Westerville, Ohio, and I was calling to share with you my mental breakdown in the grocery store the other day because I do have a student, a young lady, going off to college. And when I picked up the milk in the grocery store, I noticed that it expired on August 23rd. And in my heart, I realized that the milk expires after she will already be leaving for college. And I stood in the aisle of the Kroger and cried my eyeballs.

[Kim Holderness]

Out. Same girl, same. I, I, this, this year has been. I think as a parent, you sort of mentally mark it on the calendar years in advance. I mean, you're, you're having to put their graduation date, like when you're filling out sports things. So, like, 2025 was something we were always writing down. It was like such a big deal. And just looking at that version of myself from the show, I'm like, oh, there's so much. Like, there's a lot to go.

[Penn Holderness]

Through. Say more about that. Like, you were in a slightly different.

[Kim Holderness]

Mindset. I think at that point. I think Lola has changed for the better. I think we have had to change to be parents of a young adult. So, yeah, I. But the only way you can do that is by going through it. There's no advice somebody could give you. Just know that you're going to.

[Penn Holderness]

Change. But Looking back at yourself, I mean, you're such an empath. Could you feel what you were feeling back then just by looking at that.

[Kim Holderness]

Video? Yes. And it was just like a lot of grief. But I. And there's nothing. There's a. You know, you can't go back and tell yourself, like, oh, feel differently. You just have to, like, walk through that and know that there's so much to celebrate and there's so much that. Yeah, it was. It was just really hard. But Kaya is doing well and she let us know she isn't crying over milk.

[Caller/Guest]

Anymore. Hi, this is Kaya from Westerville, Ohio. I'm calling with an update to let you know that I am no longer crying over milk in the grocery store. I'm now trying to calculate how many gallons of sweet tea my college freshman will need to survive over break. I wanted to tell you a story that my daughter went to college and she called to tell me about all of her new friends when she started school. And since I have perimenopausal brain, I wrote them all down on a small piece of paper and I put a star by one of them that I felt was significant. My maternal instinct had kicked in, and it turned out that the starred friend asked her on her very first date and took her out. Thank you so much for your podcast. Our lives couldn't be more similar, except for the fact that my husband and I did not win the Amazing.

[Penn Holderness]

Race. Well, we could change.

[Kim Holderness]

That. Oh, a college boyfriend or girlfriend. That is very significant, that first college relationship. We don't need to say more about it. That's fine. But I will say this. Of course, you go live somewhere else. There's going to be bumps in the road. Everybody has them. But I would say one of the bigger ones for our daughter, and this is very serious. She goes to a Pepsi.

[Penn Holderness]

School. Oh, my.

[Kim Holderness]

God. I know. She sent me a picture of herself studying and there was like, a Diet Pepsi. I was like, how are you enduring this trauma? Like, how are you handling this? And so I immediately instacarted her, like three cases of Diet.

[Penn Holderness]

Coke. So that maternal side of you I love to see, and it's very sweet. I'm just gonna say you and Lola have become Diet Coke elitists, not sponsors in this house. Yes, I have no problem with Pepsi. This has been an interesting, just sort of discrimination that you guys have put upon the.

[Kim Holderness]

World. Well.

[Penn Holderness]

No. Anti Pepsiism that I've, like, really kind of experienced over the last couple of.

[Kim Holderness]

Months. I. Pepsi's great. And Pepsi It. Pepsi's great, and Pepsi products are great, and they have their fans. But I. If you're saying, If I say, hey, at a restaurant, I'd love a Diet Coke, and they're like, is Diet Pepsi okay? I say, no, actually, I'll take a tea. So I don't. I. I'm very. I'm very loyal. Not sponsored, unless you wanted to sponsor Diet Coke. So that is just in. I need. I need my people to back me up. There is a difference. And people who love Pepsi don't appreciate Coke. So people. There's, like, an.

[Penn Holderness]

Allegiance. I think people who like Pepsi are generally just people who kind of roll with the punches a little bit more. Like, they're okay with either. I still. I have this theory that no one subscribes to that. Like our. Our tiny little limited human brains haven't wrapped around the power of marketing. And they're the same.

[Kim Holderness]

Thing. No, they taste very different. They taste very.

[Penn Holderness]

Different. They just be marketing. Could be what it does to our.

[Kim Holderness]

Brains. I think we have a Pepsi downstairs. Do you want to do, like, a blind taste.

[Penn Holderness]

Test? I wanted to do a blind taste test for a long time, but it would need to be, like, Diet Pepsi and Diet Coke. I don't think we.

[Kim Holderness]

Have. Me to go check real quick if you've got.

[Penn Holderness]

Them.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes. So my stepdad, Scott Harris, spread over a Diet Pepsi.

[Penn Holderness]

Recently. Diet.

[Kim Holderness]

Pepsi. And this in a. It's in a bottle or, like, a plastic bottle. Diet Coke from a can. So I hope you know that they're. They taste different from a bottle in a can. Yeah, let's. I could even probably tell the difference between Diet Coke can, Diet Coke bottle, Diet Coke fountain. So we're. So we're gonna pour this off camera so you don't see.

[Penn Holderness]

Which. And we're just gonna have to share.

[Kim Holderness]

Cups. We're gonna. We'll put a color on the cup so we know. Right. And then you guys are gonna make your.

[Penn Holderness]

Guess. Okay, we've got the two.

[Kim Holderness]

Beverages. Diet Pepsi from a bottle, Diet Coke from a can. They're both warm. We've put them on ice. We've labeled the cups A and B. Sam and Anne Marie know which the difference is. This is.

[Penn Holderness]

Pepsi. This tastes like.

[Kim Holderness]

Pepsi. Oh, it's kind of water. This is pep. This is Pepsi. Okay. I can even. I smell it. This is Coke. I didn't have to taste it. This is Diet Coke. This is my.

[Penn Holderness]

Jam. It tastes exactly the.

[Kim Holderness]

Same. I'm gonna say A is Pepsi, B is Diet Coke. That's correct. I could Smell.

[Penn Holderness]

It. That's awesome. Oh, I'm so happy for you. Okay, so you can tell the.

[Kim Holderness]

Difference. Oh, my gosh. The weight.

[Penn Holderness]

Hits. I can, I.

[Kim Holderness]

Can. It's my fridge cigarette. I have very few vices. I, I don't really drink. I, I mean, just give me my Diet.

[Penn Holderness]

Coke. You just want to pause while we.

[Kim Holderness]

Slam. That there is not. Okay. And say what you will about McDonald's and the health, like just the ramifications of it, but nothing hits better than like a crispy Diet Coke from.

[Penn Holderness]

McDonald's. Like, do you mean.

[Kim Holderness]

Crisp? Crispy? It's.

[Penn Holderness]

Crispy.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. It's.

[Penn Holderness]

Crispy.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. We've been lucky to have so many guests help us through this transition of having a kid at a Pepsi school. No, I'm kidding about having a kid away at college. We had Gretchen Rubin for episode 22, Open Door, Not Empty Nest. And it was our most listened to show of 2025. What's an appropriate goal to shoot for in terms of asking for updates? I think once a week is plenty.

[Penn Holderness]

Really? Oh, that's was the.

[Kim Holderness]

Dagger. I think if you have a communicative child, that's wonderful. Like, one thing you definitely don't want to do is interview for pain. Which is when you ask like, are you still fighting with your roommate all the time? Or like, oh, is the food still bad? Or like, how's that working out? Like, with all those girls sharing one bathroom. Right. Because you're asking for negative information. So that clip I think went a little my viral is too strong of a word. Like, other people ripped that clip. Because I think hearing from your kid once a week was like a dagger to the heart. But that entire episode, she gave us such good advice. And I will say that don't interview for pain thing, I, I had to audit how I was. You know those update calls we would get, like, oh, how's that going? Like I had to stop asking or just like reframe those questions. So that, that was, that was really helpful. Gretchen did call us with an update on how to now navigate the second half of the school year. Now that you've had some experience with your child leaving and returning over the next several months, aim to make one or two new friends. Your child has been expanding their social circle. Now it's time for you to do the same thing for yourself. Ancient philosophers and contemporary scientists agree that strong relationships are a key to happiness. And it is so energizing and exciting to make new friend. Now, it can be tough to put yourself out there, but Remember, research shows that people tend to like us more than we think they do, and they tend to be quite receptive to social overtures, even when we feel awkward making them. So make a friend.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay. She's. She's buttoned up. Man, I love her so much. That was a very well thought out.

[Kim Holderness]

Voicemail. Well, first of all, she has like, like several different podcasts I like, and everything she says is so researched and lovely, and I'm such a huge fan of hers, and that is such great advice. Our daughter is going through these huge transitions, and I think part of, like, her evolution as a human and, you know, becoming a young adult is because she's been exposed to so many different people from different places and parts of the country. She is growing. We need to match that growth. I think that's such great advice. Am I going to do it.

[Penn Holderness]

Right? I was just gonna, like, back. Just back up a little bit. Like, how's the once a week thing going for.

[Kim Holderness]

You? Oh. Oh, no.

[Penn Holderness]

No.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. No, no, no. Well, so she said if we, if. If your child, like our. Our child does communicate. She is so sweet. She'll rotate who she calls on a given day. Mondays are her big school days, so it's more text. But other than that, she calls one of us every.

[Penn Holderness]

Day. Right. Now, I will say that she'll. She'll call just you and that's great. And then she'll call just me and you'll hear me from I don't know how, three rooms away, and I'll just hear this. Like, then it's. Then she's not really talking to.

[Kim Holderness]

Me. No, but you do the same thing. If I'll put her on speakerphone if you're right.

[Penn Holderness]

There. I try to keep my distance, actually. I don't know if you've noticed. I want you to be able to have one on one conversations with your.

[Kim Holderness]

Daughter. No. And yeah. And it's sweet that she'll FaceTime PC a lot too. She's been very communicative, which is. Has been.

[Penn Holderness]

Great. And I guess, like, part of it is if she wants to talk every day, we're not going to deny her.

[Kim Holderness]

That.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. But like once, once a week. That doesn't seem like it's really.

[Kim Holderness]

In our future anytime soon with our son. Probably like, oh, he only talks.

[Penn Holderness]

To us once a week now. He lives in the same.

[Kim Holderness]

House. He went to a conference for school and it was like four days. And I literally had to text him proof of life question mark. And he responded.

[Caller/Guest]

Alive.

[Kim Holderness]

Yep. I was like, okay, this Is like, foreshadowing what we can expect. And it's fair. Fair, Fair. Like, he was.

[Penn Holderness]

Busy.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. He, you know, he was socializing. He was doing what he needed to do. But, yeah, not like a.

[Penn Holderness]

Picture. We're also, like, a month and a half into the. Is basketball season, and. And he was sitting at the kitchen table talking. He was like, we asked something about a, you know, practice or game. He's like, yeah, we'll just, you know, the captain stay back and talk about it. I was like, what? Captains like me and, you know, these two other guys. I'm like, you're the captain of your team for you have been. He's like, when? He's like, I don't know. When we first started the team, he didn't tell us. If Lola was named captain of a team, she would have shown.

[Kim Holderness]

Up. She was named Captain.

[Penn Holderness]

Post.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And she wanted.

[Penn Holderness]

Cupcakes. Yeah, yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Exactly. And basically, like. Yeah. And then he quickly changed the subject. I'm like, no, baby, that's a big deal. You're. You know, they see you as a leader. He's like, I.

[Caller/Guest]

Guess. I don't.

[Kim Holderness]

Know, like, whatever. And he's like, what's her dinner?

[Penn Holderness]

It. And basketball is one of his real.

[Kim Holderness]

Passions. I know. Like, you can tell he takes it seriously. Anyway, okay, so making new friends. Okay. I think here's what I'm gonna do. There are two women that I have met that I'm having increased communication with, just, like, by happenstance. I think what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna reach out to them and try to be, like, more social. I'm gonna try to get to know them.

[Penn Holderness]

Better.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. And become, like, just, like, just really make it so we're like, like, friend friends. And not just, like, see each other and be like, oh, they're the type of people that I'm like, I see them. I'm like, oh, I want to know you better. Like, I want to spend time with you, but things are so busy, so I'm going to do a better job of, like, well, like, incorporating those.

[Penn Holderness]

People. I'm very happy for these two women because you are a great friend and they will be lucky to have you. It's. I just. I love that, like, when hopefully they're not watching the podcast, so once you guys are hanging out, they'll be like, was it us you were talking about where you were, like, gonna make.

[Kim Holderness]

Friends? I have to, like, I'm the sort of person. I just need to, like, put a deadline to it. I need some Guardrails around it. I need a. And I need a goal of, like, this is what my. For whatever reason, my. My brain is not chill with this stuff. I need to say, like, yes, I have to make two friends, and I have to, like, this is what making a friend looks like. And how. How you maintain a friendship is like.

[Penn Holderness]

This. Let's unpack that. Is it because. Is it the same way of, like, getting a new piece of furniture in the house and you're worried about whether you're gonna have room for it or is like.

[Kim Holderness]

Is. No, no, no, no. I just don't. I don't know what in my brain. A, I have no chill, but B, I don't make plans, period. Like, I just don't. I'm not one to be like, hey, let's go try this new place. Like, that is just not in my DNA. But it. But I know to make a friend, there has to be. You can't instantly go to, hey, you just want to sit on the couch and, like, watch TV with me or read, like, read a book sitting next to me. So, like, you have to be doing something where you're getting to know them. So, like, that is my initial.

[Penn Holderness]

Barrier.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. So I need to be like, okay, maybe we'll go play pickleball or play mahjong or something. But I have. I have to do that in my.

[Penn Holderness]

Brain. I bet you you're not the only person who thinks that way and feels that.

[Kim Holderness]

Way. You're really good about. Because you play a lot of sports, and I feel like that's your entree to a lot of relationships in your.

[Penn Holderness]

Life. Yeah. Sports or. It's, like, really weird. I've ended up, like, getting to be friends with, like, doctors. Now that I go.

[Kim Holderness]

See. We did see your cardiologist, and we're like, let's go. Let's hang.

[Penn Holderness]

Out. Yeah. I just feel like that those are the most probably intimate conversations I'm having right now are with doctors. Like, am I gonna go completely batshit crazy in because of Alzheimer's? And so, like, I think I'm the most vulnerable around them probably right now, you know? And that's probably something in the doctor patient relationship that's not healthy with that. But I've gotten to know my doctors really.

[Kim Holderness]

Well. Dr. Eric Tobel. I want him in my life at all times. More on this after these.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

States. Now, as we wrap our Best of 2025 Laugh Lines episode, I think we have to end with Pen's.

[Penn Holderness]

Nugs. Sponsor.

[Kim Holderness]

Pending. Sponsor pending. These are the three takeaways from.

[Penn Holderness]

2025. 2025 from well, you know what? It's stuff that we I learned from here, from this space with.

[Kim Holderness]

You. Oh.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay. About the world around.

[Kim Holderness]

Us. And let's be super serious and change you into a.

[Penn Holderness]

Nugget. Okay, Great. Nugget number one from 2025. Aliens are probably here. They're probably here in some form or.

[Kim Holderness]

Fashion.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Either from another world or from our existing world. Coming out of the water in their own kind of little place they've been to because most of the ocean's unexplored. Aliens are probably here. We just can't see them. There's just been a lot of drone stuff and UAP stuff going on this year. I think. I think they're.

[Kim Holderness]

Here.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

Yep. Love.

[Penn Holderness]

That. I don't know if there's anything we can do about it, but I think it's. I think we're.

[Kim Holderness]

There. I for one, welcome our alien.

[Penn Holderness]

Overlords. Number two, we are going to kick Alzheimer's Ass. Yes, we, like, we had some great guests on this year. Feel free to go back, listen to Richard Isaacson, listen to Eric Topol. The medicine is there. The knowledge of how to prevent it is there. So if you get educated about those sorts of things at an earlier age, because it does start early and, and start this process. Right. Of knowing what your blood type is, which they're going to make cheaper and more.

[Kim Holderness]

Accessible. Not blood type, but like your DNA.

[Penn Holderness]

Markers. Yeah, we're going to do it. It may not happen immediately, but like, I am less worried about our next generation because of what we know.

[Kim Holderness]

And I'm less worried about you than I was in January of 2025, even.

[Penn Holderness]

Though we found out this year that I have the worst possible genes for.

[Kim Holderness]

It.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes. Yeah, I'm with you. And number three, the world is getting better and more fluent at adhd. We put another book out this year. We went and met a bunch of kids and a bunch of teachers and a bunch of parents. And not only the kids. I knew the kids were becoming more self aware because of, you know, I think just, it's becoming a little bit more normal. The kids who don't have ADHD are learning more about.

[Kim Holderness]

It.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. You have a story that you're like your cousin, like, read this to a classroom.

[Kim Holderness]

Right? Yeah, my cousin, who's an angel on this earth, teaches second grade and she read the book to her classroom and it brought up a lot of conversations from neurotypical kids about their friends with adhd. And there was just like this increased understanding, which I think is so beautiful. If we can, if we could all just in general understand each other a little better, I think life would be a lot.

[Penn Holderness]

Better. And we're getting.

[Kim Holderness]

There.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. So that was. We learned that from this podcast. Learned all these things from this podcast. You know, totally possible. None of it's going to matter if the aliens show up by the time this podcast comes out.

[Kim Holderness]

So. So we're good. So fingers crossed. Either we get a Globe or Nugget sponsor or aliens come. There you go. So either way, happy holidays. Happy New Year. That's so weird. Happy New Year. I don't know. Like, it just. It's gonna happen. I don't know. We can't wait to be back here in January. And 2026 is the year I turn.

[Penn Holderness]

50. Yeah. And as you guys are counting down the clock on New Year's Eve, as the ball drops in Times Square, just know we're in bed, we're asleep. We've been asleep since night for a long.

[Kim Holderness]

Time.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Laugh Lines is written and produced by Kim Holderness, Pen Holderness and Anne Marie Tapke with original music by Pen Holderness. By the way, it is also filmed, edited and live produced by Sam Allen and hosted by acast. Should we have them come out and say hello really.

[Kim Holderness]

Quickly? Because they're here with us, Sam and.

[Penn Holderness]

Amory. What am I doing? Let's you guys do.

[Kim Holderness]

It. Laugh Lines is written and produced by kids, Kim Holderness, Penn Holderness and Ann Marie Tafke with original music by Pen Holderness. It is filmed, edited and live produced by Sam Allen and hosted by acast. As always, we love to hear from you. Please write to [e-mail] podcast I don't know what's happening to me. Please please write to us at [e-mail] or leave a voicemail at 323-369-3929 and we will will talk to you soon on the laugh line. You said the number wrong. Oh God, let me try that again. 323-364-3929. Don't even know what number I messed up, but that one was correct. And again, we will talk to you in January on the.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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