Graduation & Fun Distractions

Summary

Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness
Episode: Graduation & Fun Distractions
Release Date: June 3, 2025

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Aging Gracefully and Embracing Change

In this heartfelt episode, Kim and Penn Holderness delve into the nuances of aging, emphasizing the importance of navigating life's transitions with humor and grace. They open the conversation by addressing menopause and perimenopause, sharing personal experiences and offering support to listeners undergoing similar changes.

Kim Holderness [02:00]: "If you're a woman over 40, it can also bring some less desirable things like hot flashes, insomnia, brain fog, moodiness, and weight gain."

Penn Holderness [02:12]: "MIDI clinicians are menopause experts. They are equipped to support you with safe, effective, FDA-approved medications as well as supplements, lifestyle coaching, and preventative health guidance."

The couple highlights MIDI Health as a valuable resource for those seeking specialized care during hormonal transitions, underscoring the availability of telehealth services and insurance coverage.

Celebrating Daughter Lola’s Graduation

A significant portion of the episode centers around the emotional journey of sending their daughter, Lola, off to college. Kim shares her mixed emotions, balancing excitement with the anxiety of becoming empty nesters.

Kim Holderness [06:42]: "We're dragging a little this morning because she had 12 of her best friends sleepover... I was out walking my dog and wondered if I'm broken, but I have not cried yet."

Penn Holderness [08:20]: "I'm cool with it. Lola's ready to go. She's processing it better than either of us are."

The hosts candidly discuss their coping mechanisms, such as creating packing lists and focusing on the positive aspects of Lola’s independence, while also addressing the physical manifestations of their stress.

Humor as a Coping Mechanism

Kim and Penn use humor to navigate the challenging emotions associated with their daughter’s upcoming departure. They share a comedic sketch titled “My Wife during Graduation,” portraying Kim’s attempts to mask her anxiety with exaggerated calmness.

Kim Holderness [11:22]: "I am having some physical symptoms... but I'm totally fine."

Penn Holderness [11:24]: "Yay. Can you call the ambulance?"

This segment underscores their ability to find laughter amid emotional turmoil, resonating with listeners who may be experiencing similar feelings.

Book and Publishing Updates

The Holderness family celebrates the success of their book, ADHD Is Awesome: A Guide To (Mostly) Thriving With ADHD, which is now being translated and published in multiple languages. They express excitement about the international reach and the different interpretations of their work.

Kim Holderness [05:06]: "It's very exciting. I have to say, I would love somebody in Korea who buys this in a book stand to translate what perhaps that cover meant."

Interactive Segments and Listener Engagement

The episode features several engaging segments that encourage listener participation:

• Are We Too Old For…: Initially a playful take on age-related activities, Kim suggests rebranding the segment to “Are We Too Wise For…” to better reflect their perspective on aging with wisdom rather than limitations.

  Kim Holderness [19:51]: "I don't want to be told I'm too old for something... so we change this segment to 'Are we too wise for things.'"

• Gen Z Slang of the Week: The hosts humorously explore and explain contemporary Gen Z slang, often leading to amusing misunderstandings.

  Kim Holderness [30:37]: "Rizzler evolved from rizzo, meaning charisma... your parents just confuse the heck out of your kids."

• Top Five Graduation Lists: Penn shares his top five things he's ready to graduate from, ranging from Monday morning moods to high school football, while Kim reveals her own set of goals and reflections.

  Penn Holderness [34:33]: "The number one thing I'm ready to graduate from in high school is... tennis."

Listener Call-Ins and Feedback

The episode includes heartfelt listener voicemails, such as Jenny from Ohio, who praises the podcast for its humor and relatability, even though she doesn't typically listen to podcasts.

Jenny [46:05]: "I loved being able to watch it... it was great and funny... keep doing it."

Closing Remarks and Future Plans

Kim and Penn share their excitement about future adventures as empty nesters, hinting at the possibility of taking the podcast on the road. They maintain their signature blend of humor and sincerity, leaving listeners with a sense of community and anticipation for what’s to come.

Kim Holderness [42:24]: "We're going on the road. Maybe we'll be in Paris, you guys."

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Key Takeaways:

• Embracing Aging: Aging brings both challenges and opportunities for growth, and approaching it with humor can make transitions smoother.
• Coping with Change: Preparing for significant life changes, like children moving out, involves a mix of emotional processing and practical planning.
• Engaging Content: Interactive segments and listener feedback are integral to creating a relatable and entertaining podcast experience.

Notable Quotes:

• “You're too wise for things.” – Kim Holderness [19:51]
• “This is your podcast. You're home.” – Kim Holderness [04:30]
• “I love a misheard song lyric.” – Kim Holderness [29:19]

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Connect with Kim & Penn Holderness:

• Voicemail: 323-364-3929
• Email: [e-mail]
• Website: theholdernessfamily.com

Stay tuned for more episodes as Kim and Penn continue to explore the lighter side of aging and family life, bringing laughter and wisdom to their ever-growing community.

Transcript

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

You know there are great things that come with age, wisdom, experience and knowledge, to name just a few.

[Kim Holderness]

But if you're a woman over 40, it can also bring some less desirable things like hot flashes, insomnia, brain fog, moodiness and weight gain. All those symptoms of menopause and perimenopause.

[Penn Holderness]

Kim, I am feeling you as you go through perimenopause as you navigate it. I know those symptoms are not fun and they can significantly impact quality of life.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, I think one of the things I wasn't prepared for is the brain fog. I will start a sentence and it's become this family joke and I'll just.

[Penn Holderness]

Like you'll stop talking and I have to finish it.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. Because in my head I'm finishing it. And then I'll just.

[Penn Holderness]

You'll stop and you'll make. And I'll have to know. But I've done it for a while.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And I just have. I don't. And I'll forget what I was talking about in the middle of a sentence.

[Penn Holderness]

So we're talking about MIDI health.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes. Okay. That's. This is what we're talking about. Okay. Hormonal transition is a fact of life, but that doesn't mean you have to accept its symptoms as just another part of aging.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. MIDI clinicians are menopause experts. They are equipped to support you with safe, effective, FDA approved medications as well as supplements, lifestyle coaching, and preventative health guidance.

[Kim Holderness]

You'll come out of the experience feeling heard and with a plan to start feeling better. They provide specialized care for your specific concerns.

[Penn Holderness]

All MIDI services are covered by insurance and they are conveniently accessible through telehealth visits and 247 messaging.

[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

So she wants to give squirrels hemorrhoids.

[Kim Holderness]

I think is where we Hang tight, guys, because once we're empty nesters, this podcast is going on the road.

[Penn Holderness]

We're going on the road. Yeah. We get older every day. Got more wrinkles.

[Kim Holderness]

That's okay.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, we're laughing. When we age, life is like a comedy stage. And that's why we got dance lines.

[Kim Holderness]

Hey, everybody, I'm Kim Holderness.

[Penn Holderness]

And I'm Penn Holderness. And welcome to Laugh Lines, the show where we laugh and there's lines.

[Kim Holderness]

If you have ever called your parents after a night of just being, just walking around, pacing around the mall looking for, I don't know, cute boys while you were in middle school. And then you called your parents collect from the food court and said, hi, mom, pick me up. It's time to pick me up. And hung up real fast.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. And so your parents here. You have a collect call from. Hey, it's Kim. I'm at the food court. Pick me up right now.

[Kim Holderness]

If you did that. This is your podcast. You're home.

[Penn Holderness]

You belong right here.

[Kim Holderness]

You belong right here.

[Penn Holderness]

My name was outside Burger King for so many years. That was my name.

[Kim Holderness]

Gotta go pick up Outside Burger King.

[Penn Holderness]

Outside Burger King. Do you accept the charges?

[Kim Holderness]

No, you don't have to.

[Penn Holderness]

They're free. You just tell them where to pick.

[Kim Holderness]

You up and then you say no. Fun little tidbit. If you are listening, we're going to do our very best to describe this, but we had just talked about how our book ADHD is Awesome, is a year old and it, it is now being published and it's now being translated and published in different languages, which is so flattering and so incredible.

[Penn Holderness]

It is amazing. I wish I could read and understand, but the translators have done a ton of work. This is none of our work. So we give them the original manuscript and some of the artwork and, and drawings and then they come up with their own cover. So this is Korea.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And I don't understand this, but I love it.

[Kim Holderness]

I think it's, I think it's very funny that in different languages that there's a different interpretation. You read the American letters adhd and then there's the Korean characters, like so that's the only thing you can read.

[Penn Holderness]

And then it's a large human who is at the end of a, like the end of a backflip. So his, his feet are above his head. He's making like a reverse C. And then there's different arrows pointing in different directions. And then there appears to be an ellipses in a quote bubble with a pigtail on the top.

[Kim Holderness]

I have to say, I would love somebody in Korea who buys this in a book stand to translate what perhaps that cover meant. So. But it's very exciting.

[Penn Holderness]

But then all of like our original illustrations are in there by Sarah Kempa. And to me, okay, ADHD has had a, a bit of a sur, you know, not resurgence. It's surged. The number of cases, the amount of awareness in our country has gone way up. I'm very curious about what's happening in other countries, in other continents and other cultures. If there is a stigma like there is here, if it's misunderstood, our schools and places at work, are they doing things to try to accommodate? So like just getting this book was really cool.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. Well, anyway, it is very cool. Okay, you guys. Friends, Lola, our daughter, by the time you're listening to this, probably she will have graduated from high school. So this is a big family life update. I will say we're, we're dragging a little this morning because she had 12 of her best friends sleepover and we're not. Our house really isn't built for a 12 person sleepover. So they're all on air mattresses all throughout the living room. So when we woke up, it was like, be quiet because you have 12 teenagers sleeping in Your living room.

[Penn Holderness]

See, I'll respectfully disagree. We're not. Our houses are not as big as some of the other houses that we've been to with these people. But I think the fact that it's smaller, they're all sleeping on top of each other in this living room. And I think that's exactly what you want to have for a sleepover, for the closeness. Right?

[Kim Holderness]

Closeness. I will say. Everybody walks up to me. I was out walking my dog last night and, like, how are you doing? They're. They're asking me, like, as a. Hey, how are you? How are you doing? And I don't think people believe me or I'm broken, but I have not cried yet. And so people. I'm like, I think this is great. I'm excited for. I know I'll cry when we drop her off, but I'm not having. I am really not sitting in the. Like, oh, it goes by so fast. No, I felt it like high school. She took a very rigorous path through high school, and it was hard for our. For us. So I'm very excited. What about you?

[Penn Holderness]

I'm cool with it. Lola's ready to go. She's 18. She is. I mean, she's going to miss us. She's processing it better than either of us are. She gets sad and comes in and cries and says, I realize I'm going to be. She's not. She's kind of like a plane ride university. So she's sad about that and she talks about it openly. I am pushing it deep, deep down, and I'm focusing on all the positives. I think that you probably are manifesting it in different ways than crying right now.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes. Yeah. Like, I woke up with, like, a stabbing pain in my chest and I was like, I wonder if that's heartburn.

[Penn Holderness]

I've noticed that you have been doing a great job trying to get the most out of your last a few weeks and months with Lola. And that's adorable. I think that there is definitely in you. And this is. I'm going to make this. This is a compliment. But you are. What I've seen from you is less of the crying and the emotional stuff and more of really digging into the preparation side of it and trying to set her up for what's going to happen next. And I'm not sure if that's therapeutic for you, but it's what you're doing, and I think you're doing a great job with that.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you.

[Penn Holderness]

In addition, you have been mentioning that you're not Sleeping well. And you had a twitchy eye. Just throwing that out there as well. And I love you. And I'm just thinking maybe that's the way that it's manifesting itself right now.

[Kim Holderness]

Maybe.

[Penn Holderness]

So as we normally do in these situations, we tried to laugh about it and we made a video about this. It's called My Wife during Graduation. If you guys have seen these videos before, I'm playing my wife, but it's almost entirely written originally by Kim. And so this is what we're seeing in our house. Honey, are you so excited? Our daughter is going to this great college that's a long, long way away. But I'm fine. Fine with it. Totally fine. I'm sure it's totally unrelated. I do have a stabbing pain in my chest, but it's totally fine. I'm so happy for it. Yeah, I've gotten a little more gassy and bloated, but, like, that's totally normal, right? I am so proud of myself for how fine I am that my daughter is going to college soon. Oh, this? No, no, this is just a little eye twitch I picked up in the last couple of weeks. It's unrelated. Okay. I booked a hotel for move in weekend. I booked a hotel for parents weekend, and I'm making a packing list for her. Aren't you so proud of how fine I am? I mean, everything I eat makes me feel totally nauseous. I can't keep anything down, but I'm just so happy for her. Honey, I don't know what kind of frou frou medicine you're studying, but there is no mind body connection between her going to college and all of these symptoms. Because I'm just taking the feelings. I don't know if you know how this works, and you push them down, down deep, and then they go away. Sheila, you are so sweet to check in on me every two hours about my daughter, but no, I'm fine. No, I'm just so happy for her. I mean, other than the stabbing pains and the stomach issues and the violent mood swings, and I'm pretty sure, like, I can't feel one of my toes, but I'm totally fine. I'm just so happy for her. No, honey, this is not my body responding to a major event that's gonna fundamentally change our lives forever. It's just that I'm so proud of her that I have massive neck pain and my back is locked up and I can't sleep or eat and I'm farty and bloated and it's because of the journey and the adventure. I'm so happy for her.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm just so happy.

[Penn Holderness]

Aren't you so happy?

[Kim Holderness]

This is unrelated college.

[Penn Holderness]

Yay. Can you call the ambulance?

[Kim Holderness]

So I definitely am having some physical symptoms, like the stabbing pain in my chest and, like, the twitch in my eye and losing hair in chunks. But I'm fine, you guys. I'm totally fine. I'm not. I have no emotions about this at all. I'm very excited. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Penn Holderness]

So we're. What we're doing at here.

[Kim Holderness]

I don't know how to process my emotions in real time. I'm super. Like, there were moms. There was like, this last, like, parent dinner thing, and they were all crying, and I'm like. Like, I'm trying to will myself to, like, cry, and I haven't been able to cry yet, but I'm going to, I believe. I think. But I'm also medicated, so I don't know. But I'm okay to, like, my therapist says, like, I think what's happening, because I told her I'm like, I'm totally fine, but I'm having some really stabbing chest pains and I can't sleep. And she's like, okay, obviously this is how it's coming out. And so she really wants me to process it and name it. But I am excited. I am excited for her. Is it so bad if I'm excited? Like, do I have to cry?

[Penn Holderness]

Definitely not bad that you're excited.

[Kim Holderness]

Can I just be like, high. We should high five.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

High school was hard.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes. High school was impossible for us as parents.

[Kim Holderness]

It was super hard.

[Penn Holderness]

So. And we'll get to this later on in this show, but, like, there are. There are five things that I'm ready to graduate from, and then there's some things that I'm. I'm not ready to graduate from.

[Kim Holderness]

Can we just have a different take? That's allowed. Which is, I am super happy for her and I'm. I'm ready for her to graduate high school. In fact, we actually have a voicemail in the laugh line from Jenny about this very topic.

[Jenny]

Hi, this is Jenny from Ohio. My daughter is leaving for college in five days, so I might have a little bit of insight for you. Like you explained about your daughter. My daughter was really ready and happy, so even on graduation, I didn't cry because I was so happy for her. She had done really well for herself. She had earned all her accolades, and I was just so joyful for the day.

[Penn Holderness]

See.

[Kim Holderness]

See what I mean?

[Rita]

Everything is.

[Kim Holderness]

No, no. Like you could just be happy. You could just be happy and I'm not. I just, I'm very jealous of people who can process emotions in real time. It's going to hit, it's hitting me now in that like I have an eye twitch and then afterwards maybe I'll be super, but in the moment I just lack that. Like I can't do it.

[Penn Holderness]

And who says processing emotions is crying? Like, why is that the line?

[Kim Holderness]

See, you're processing it in your own way. Yeah, in your eye twitchy way on my eye twitchy. And I've made a lot of Google Docs. I have, I have a Google Doc packing list we already have with her future roommate. We have a shared like shopping list. Like I am listing things and that is helping me.

[Penn Holderness]

That has been your, your coping strategy as we said before. Well, listing, just, just preparing, thinking ahead, booking parents ticket like weekend tickets. Like we are basically. I think you have like a doc for when we're going to go up there next year and it's, it's intense.

[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

We are going to talk about Penn's top five of things he wanted to graduate from. But first we're getting into our segments, including one that has been, dare I say, controversial.

[Penn Holderness]

All right, here's why it's controversial. It was called Are you Are we too old for dot dot dot and it has we'll play the music. It has this very old timey music and it was just going to be us saying, you know what?

[Kim Holderness]

What?

[Penn Holderness]

I don't need this anymore. And then I just forgot that my wife was an enneagram type. One who doesn't like to be told anything or admit anything or any sort of defeat. So even though I think that deep down she probably is too old for a lot of these things, she does not particularly want to.

[Kim Holderness]

I don't want to be told that I'm too old for something I had said it's like, oh, we're too old for day trips. And I had brought up this tiktoker who does day trips from New York to Paris and I was like, you know what? I want to do that. I don't want to be too told I'm too old. Comment section heated up. I think we're split. A lot of people vote that I should do a day trip to Paris just to vlog it.

[Penn Holderness]

Of course I say that's entertainment for them. Of course everyone's going to tell you to take a trip to Paris because fun for them to watch you take a trip to Paris.

[Kim Holderness]

And I think the rest of them are like, are you kidding? You can't do this. But, hey, let me read. But Charlene Castaldo said, I don't like to say I'm quote, too old for. I like to say I'm smarter now. I'm smart enough to know what I will do or won't do, such as I'm smart enough to know that I won't drive a stupid long distance in one day anymore. Or you name what you're smart enough to do. So I vote that we change this segment is I'm too wise for things. I'm too wise. Can we. We can workshop it. I just don't like being told you.

[Penn Holderness]

Don'T like the word old.

[Kim Holderness]

Not in the way we're using it.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay. Because it sounds pretty similar. Like when we say we're too old for something, it means we don't want to do it anymore because we've gotten.

[Kim Holderness]

No, I'm thinking I take it as I'm too old, therefore I physically can't. And if you tell me I physically can't do anything, that's what I'm going to dedicate my life to. So this is how it works inside my brain.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. Okay. 2 wise 4 is great. I don't know if I would use that term because a lot of times I'm shirking conventional wisdom and just being selfish when I say I'm too old for something. Like, are we too old for theme parks? That was one of the ones. And wisdom would say, if you go to theme parks with your family, they're going to have a great time and you're going to build core memories and connections. But my old ass is like, no, I don't want to wait in line. It's Disney's really, really warm during the summer. I want to sit. So, okay, what about are we done.

[Kim Holderness]

With things we're done with.

[Penn Holderness]

I like, are we done with something?

[Kim Holderness]

So I. I have to ask you, are we done going out two nights in a row?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I are done. By going out, you mean like two plus units of alcohol and like, staying up late and not getting good sleep and stuff like that.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes. And friends. Okay. This is what happened Friday night. It was like the last parent dinner. Whatever. I feel like crap if I have one drink. So I, I had one drink and I was thinking, well, if I've already had one drink and I'm gonna feel like crap, I might as well have four. So I.

[Penn Holderness]

And these were all moms graduating moms. And they were all feeling feelings.

[Kim Holderness]

We're all, you know, they were feeling feelings. I was trying to stuff them down. And so I had like 4 units of alcohol, which is quadruple what I would normally have in a month. Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

It was.

[Kim Holderness]

So the next day, not feeling great. And then we go to a grad party for one of Lola's friends and there's. They all brought. Everybody had like margaritas and yetis and they had wine and tequila everywhere. So I had two glasses of wine there. So Mother's day. It leaves me with. I've to get 10,000 steps a day. I walked like 272 steps.

[Penn Holderness]

It's amazing.

[Kim Holderness]

Or so like I, I.

[Penn Holderness]

You set the record.

[Kim Holderness]

I set the record for low. My friends want to play mahjong at 7:30. I'm like, Ma' am, I need to be in bed reading my book before nine. Like we. I can't even just stay up past 9:30. I just don't. Yeah, I can't do it.

[Penn Holderness]

I got invited on a six day bourbon festival.

[Kim Holderness]

Too much by doctors.

[Penn Holderness]

These are doctors who are telling me most of the time that I need to really cut down and make some good life decisions. They invited me on a six day bourbon trip. To be clear. Love bourbon, love music, love these guys. I am still trying to think of my excuse that I can't go because I can't do two nights in a row.

[Kim Holderness]

And now this is six.

[Penn Holderness]

Six, six nights in a row.

[Kim Holderness]

That sounds awful.

[Penn Holderness]

I bet it's fun. But it's. But like I just. My recovery.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And I think this happened very recently. My recovery is crap.

[Kim Holderness]

So.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, we're done with two nights.

[Kim Holderness]

We're done with two nights in a row. Okay, look, we got there.

[Penn Holderness]

We're done. We're done, we're done. We are doing so many segments today. And the one that I'm excited about because we haven't heard about these in a couple of weeks. Your road to 50 we started talking about at your birthday. You had a very ambitious list of things that you were going to do.

[Kim Holderness]

I did have a very ambitious list. And I promised to hold myself accountable and I had five things that I was really going to try and I want to, I want to just be super honest here, but I had a goal to do an unassisted pull up. I've done nothing. I like did some push ups in the gym yesterday and I'm thinking, that's why I was thinking, I was like, oh, my chest hurts. Maybe it's not anxiety, maybe it's push. I did push ups. I've done nothing. I, I look at the pull up bar in our garage. It's too high for me. So, my God, it's too high. That's dangerous. I'm not going to do that. So I've not done anything. So I'm no closer to that. And I just want to be really honest with you.

[Penn Holderness]

That's great. The rest of the things you're crushing, like, I've never seen you read more voraciously.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm reading voraciously. But here's a question for my readers out there. When do you abandon a book? Because I'm in the middle of a book right now and because I've already invested. I bought it, so invested the money. I've invested time. I'm like, page 150, it's a 500 page book. Do I, I'm at that. Like, do I just finish it because I feel like I need to check the box because of this commitment I made or can I just ditch it? Like it's, I already know it's going to happen. Unless there's some massive twists. Like, I already know it's going to happen.

[Penn Holderness]

I am a, I am a big time book ditcher.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, me too.

[Penn Holderness]

But I think that it's the, it is the author's responsibility to get you through it.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And if they don't, like, you're not hurting anybody's feelings.

[Kim Holderness]

And I'm not going to tell because people love this book. It had a lot of reviews. I'm not going to name the book because it's probably your fate. It's going to be your end up being your favorite book. But reading books like this, I'm like, oh, I could write a book because this isn't very good.

[Rita]

I could write a book. The person who has written.

[Penn Holderness]

You've written two books.

[Kim Holderness]

No, I'm talking about a novel. I'm talking about a fictional novel.

[Penn Holderness]

She, she comes up with novel ideas.

[Kim Holderness]

All the time, but they're not quite novel ideas because every single one of them has been written before. But, but it was also a good idea, obviously, because somebody else has written it. Already.

[Penn Holderness]

That's right. See, that's right. I'm in a book right now by Adrian Jajkowski. That is a 750 page book. That is the densest book ever, and I do not want to finish the book, but I have to finish the book. I know I said I was a bailer.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

But this one, like, there's some, like, they're going like 2 million years into the future, and I know there's. There's some crap waiting for me. I just want him to get to it already.

[Kim Holderness]

Fast forward, fast forward.

[Penn Holderness]

Just, Just. Just fast forward to. Oh, my gosh. Maybe I will just bail. Like, it's. It is taking. I think You've gone through 10 books since I started reading this.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, probably.

[Penn Holderness]

All right, so you've got the books steps you're crushing somewhere else.

[Kim Holderness]

I feel like I've been lagging is I wanted to commit to waking up every day and finding a way to help people. Big, small. And I had been pretty good. Like, I loved that. It gave me this excuse of like, oh, I have to help somebody today. And, like, I was. My eyes were on the lookout, and they'd been, you know, small ways, like donating to GoFundMes or for a couple of weeks there, I was like, I'm just gonna return people, shopping carts, stuff like this. But I was in Target the other day, and this woman was waiting on her prescription to be refilled, and she was talking to, I assume, her teenage daughter. And she's like, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. And I was like, there's a few things I would wish on my worst enemy. Oh, yeah, like, why do we say that?

[Penn Holderness]

I mean, like, there's a few.

[Kim Holderness]

And by the way, I don't have, like, a enemy that I know in person. I'm talking about to ask. I don't have an enemy like that, but like, Hitler or Putin. Like, wouldn't you wish, like, a little bit of that on him?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. It is an interesting saying. It's meant to say that it's so.

[Kim Holderness]

Bad that I wouldn't.

[Penn Holderness]

It goes beyond your worst enemy. Like, that's how bad this is. But you're saying that there are people that you dislike, theoretically enough that you would still wish that on them.

[Kim Holderness]

So I have a goal of acts of kindness. And I was sitting there thinking of, like, things I would wish on my enemies, which is. And I was like, oh, this is. This has gone dark, Kim. I'm like, you know what? There's a few things I've Gone through. I would wish on them. I'm a bad person.

[Penn Holderness]

No, no, you're not. I think you're evening it out, Right? Like, that's what's happening. So you are doing all these nice things for people and.

[Kim Holderness]

But inside, my soul is rotten.

[Penn Holderness]

No, no, no. You know how the world is. Is incredibly. Like, karma is real and balance in the universe is real. So you're doing all these great things, which means there is some part of your alter ego who's like, hey, Kim, hemorrhoids.

[Kim Holderness]

Hey, hemorrhoids for you.

[Penn Holderness]

Don't you want to give Hitler hemorrhoids? Like, really bad hemorrhoids.

[Kim Holderness]

Really wish he had really bad hemorrhoids. Okay. Another example. I was so into this bird feeder we got. It was AI. It had a camera and it was.

[Penn Holderness]

I know where this is going.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, we're idiots. So we had it too close to the house. And like cardinals, they eat very dainty. Then the thrashers came in and they thrashed everything. So we put it farther out into the yard next to all these trees. And we're idiots. We didn't realize that if you put it near trees, it's basically like a Shoney's buffet for squirrels. They were. There was literally a line of squirrels waiting to get in. They chewed off the top, which was screwed in. They chewed off the top.

[Penn Holderness]

I mean, this had to be like a. This was like a three day job.

[Kim Holderness]

And we had a little squirrel alarm. It has a. And we go like, our neighbors hate us. And I was just watching the app. Anytime a squirrel got near, I was going. And they got so used to it, they just sat there and, like, gave me the finger. So I was sitting there. I'm like, pen, I'm supposed to be working on my acts of kindness. And I was like, could we put this on a pole in the middle of the yard and put spikes on it? He's like, kim, stop it. He was like, you were being irrational. I'm like, the squirrels destroyed my. A bird feeder.

[Penn Holderness]

So she wants to give squirrels hemorrhoids. I think is where.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, squirrels should have hemorrhoids.

[Penn Holderness]

They might have it after eating plastic to get through all of our food.

[Kim Holderness]

All that food.

[Penn Holderness]

I've been an advocate of squirrels, as you know. They're like the international sign of 80. I have one on my shirt right now of squirrels. So this. This hurts a little for me. Like, when the squirrels came on, I'm like, look at squirrels.

[Kim Holderness]

You were like, oh, look at their little hands. I'm like, they're eating our food.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, they're like, I think they're cuter than birds. They're furry, and they. They look like they're people when they're eating.

[Kim Holderness]

And, yeah, he was like, look at. They're so cute.

[Penn Holderness]

Kim was not on board with the squirrel.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, on to what my favorite segment is translating Jen Z. Slaying.

[Penn Holderness]

We are really doing a service to those who are our age because every day we think we know what we're saying, and every day we're being told that we're incorrect. So this, like, this is going to air about a week or two after we. After we film it. So it'll probably be out of style by the time it comes out.

[Kim Holderness]

I. I really got into saying slay. And my daughter, now it's a joke because she's like, mom, we don't say that anymore. So I think, think the minute we adopt it, it's over. They send out, like, an email to the group. They just send the email to the.

[Penn Holderness]

Group, and it just says, youth.

[Kim Holderness]

Youth.

[Penn Holderness]

Youth of America. Youth of America Text.

[Kim Holderness]

The Gen Xers have caught on. And then they change it and to just nonsense. Okay, this one, I think, is a pretty. I think, like, you guys could figure this out. A Rizzler evolved from rizzo, meaning charisma, used jokingly. So, like, bro thinks he's the rizzler talking to the lunch lady like that, Meaning you have great charisma. So Lola will say to my son, she'd be like, oh, look at you over there being the rizzler so that you can use that and really just confuse the heck out of your kids.

[Penn Holderness]

And it gets super uncomfortable because generally, rizzing has to mean, like, garnering the affection of someone with whom you might be attracted to or interested in a relationship. So when a parent says it, it just goes off. Great.

[Kim Holderness]

It.

[Penn Holderness]

It's just a huge hit for the kids when they hear that. There's. It's. It's the cringe level of you saying Riz to a kid is off the chart.

[Kim Holderness]

So this is my favorite part of any podcast, which is top five list from Pat. And. And so what sort of top fives do you have?

[Penn Holderness]

I made two top fives.

[Kim Holderness]

2.

[Penn Holderness]

I did the top five things that I'm happy to graduate from.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh.

[Penn Holderness]

So this will. This will be nice. And then the second one, we're gonna try to get through it are the things that I don't want to graduate from as far as, like, I'm gonna. I'm sure I'm gonna be Fine. Okay, top things, I'm happy to graduate from you guys. You ready? Number five, Monday morning moods for me, everyone. I'm not just talking about our kids ever. You guys, when. When you wake up Monday morning and you just had a great weekend and you gotta go to work, but also on top of it, your kids have school. It sucks.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Has anyone ever woken up on a Monday morning and been like, yay, best situation ever?

[Kim Holderness]

To be clear, we still have another kid at home. Honey.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

But.

[Penn Holderness]

But we've got like, it's going to be fewer.

[Kim Holderness]

Fewer.

[Penn Holderness]

There's just like you've got four independent bad moods.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes.

[Penn Holderness]

Myself included. Right.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

There's no good moods on Monday morning. And so now we've got one fewer mood in the morning. Excited about that.

[Kim Holderness]

One fewer mood.

[Penn Holderness]

Number four, I am ready to graduate from the double meet the teacher nights. And I'm. I'll qualify this teachers. Wonderful.

[Kim Holderness]

Wonderful. I love them all.

[Penn Holderness]

But I spoke to one recently who was like, I love teaching your kids and I love meeting you here outside of meet the teacher nights. Meet the teacher nights is horrifying for all of us.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, really?

[Penn Holderness]

Like it's, it's just like they, they don't have enough time to explain what they're trying to do. They have like eight minutes to. To do all this. It's kind of weird having all the parents like sitting in their kids seats and they do their best and they do wonderful. But if you have kids at two different schools, you have to go to both of them. And I'm. I'm ready to graduate from there. Ready to graduate.

[Kim Holderness]

Love it.

[Penn Holderness]

Number three, I am ready to gradu. Graduate from college applications.

[Kim Holderness]

It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.

[Penn Holderness]

The applications.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, I didn't do them.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

I just thought. But she. Because I like, listen, put a pin in that. Let's mark this date and we're going to come back when my son's applying. Might have to like encourage him to do. But like she did. But I, but, but the waiting and the anxiety of that. I totally.

[Penn Holderness]

For me it was the final touches and then getting to the point at which you actually press the button. There is a certain finality to it because you can't go back and change it. So there's some anxiety for like when you press the button to make sure that everything is in place. And I just remember, like, it's, it's very anxious and it took a few weeks off my life.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. I think that it was not as bad as I thought it was going to be, but the waiting of, like, the opening of the decisions was.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

That was very panic inducing.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Number two, I am ready to graduate from trying to help with physics and calculus.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. I'm a smart person.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

I think I'm a very smart person. I graduated from being able to help my kids in math by, like, fifth grade.

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Six by middle school. Definitely.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

I have to say, I've loved being the stupid one because they don't even ask me. I love it.

[Penn Holderness]

They asked me because I have a fair number of trophies from high school.

[Kim Holderness]

He's a mathlete.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Honestly.

[Penn Holderness]

But if you look at my trophies, they say algebra on them. Our kids took algebra. Like, it seems like when they were in diapers. Like, it's. They have advanced way beyond anything that I can explain.

[Kim Holderness]

The math my kids did the freshman year in high school. I did my junior year of high school, like, and I was in the advanced class.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. The number one thing I'm ready to graduate from in high school is. I bet you can guess. 3, 2, 1.

[Kim Holderness]

Tennis. I tell everybody, and this is going to be so unpopular. Do not put your kids into tennis. My daughter was on. She goes to one of those high schools that's always ranked with, like, the number one sports, high school in the country or whatever. So the fact that she made a team as a freshman is, like, crazy town. Their teammates went really far. They're super good. Like, but to stay on the team, you have to be super. It's so competitive. But these tennis matches, guys, because you have to make your own line calls as high schoolers. There was, like. There was a match where parents were yelling at my kid. And, like, during breaks, they were saying things, and I was like. There was. There was a time I almost got into a fight. There was a grown man was cussing at me.

[Penn Holderness]

This is super subjective because it's things that I'm happy to graduate from. You're happy to graduate from. I think our daughter was ready for a break when she was done. But do I regret her playing tennis?

[Kim Holderness]

It taught her so many things.

[Penn Holderness]

Do you know how tough she got because of that sport?

[Kim Holderness]

She is. She has ice in her veins. She did this mock trial competition, and she was in front of this, like, fake jury, and I'm like, were you nervous? And she said after being in a tie break in the state final, like, no, this is nothing.

[Penn Holderness]

So during a tournament, I was so upset with a line call and I couldn't say anything.

[Kim Holderness]

Flipped a table.

[Penn Holderness]

I almost flipped A table.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, to be clear. So he grabbed it and lifted the edge of it because it was for another state. It was for a state championship.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes. And how in was that ball?

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, my God, you guys. So, like, she had learned how to advocate, and she's like, well, obviously your parents need to take you to the eye doctor. Like, because it was so. It was really. And it was, like, for the game. That was for the match for the state championship. So Pen grabs the edge of the.

[Penn Holderness]

The table because I couldn't say anything.

[Kim Holderness]

And he was like, anyway, I was like, oh, my. We almost like Real Housewives. That.

[Penn Holderness]

So that's my top five things I'm happy to graduate from. Okay, here's my list of the things that I don't want to graduate from.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, so things you want to hang on to.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes. That I am. That I don't love. Moving on from number five. And this is fairly recent. Are the parent socials.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And this was your doing.

[Kim Holderness]

No, because I'm such an introverted, antisocial person. But Lola has a really good group of girlfriends, and the moms in that group freshman year said, hey, our girls are friends. And so once a month, there's been a mom lunch, and then occasionally we'll invite the guys. And so. And those. You know. So there was, like, prom and homecoming and all those things. And they've all stayed friends, so that has been great to get to know the parents.

[Penn Holderness]

We're all in kind of the same boat, going through a similar season in life. Number four, Similar vibe here. I am going to miss prom photos.

[Kim Holderness]

Aw.

[Penn Holderness]

So these girls have, like. They have it down pat. They'll like. They're. They stand and they go like this. And they go like this.

[Kim Holderness]

So for those listening, pen is voguing, basically, but.

[Penn Holderness]

And then they'll lean away and look toward each other.

[Kim Holderness]

That's. That's the new high school thing. You look at each other, like, you.

[Penn Holderness]

Create this sort of negative space.

[Kim Holderness]

You're like, one shoulder's down, and you kind of look and laugh.

[Penn Holderness]

They line up according to dress color.

[Kim Holderness]

That was my idea.

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, my gosh. So I actually enjoyed watching these. These young women. Like, it was. It was like ants.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

They didn't say they knew what to do without saying anything, which I thought was really cool.

[Kim Holderness]

Girls, man.

[Penn Holderness]

I. Number three. I am not ready to graduate from high school football.

[Kim Holderness]

You could still be one of those weird people who continues to go.

[Penn Holderness]

Might be. This was, like, her school had a pretty darn good football culture. I mean, they. They had a Lot of sports, but just something about Friday night. A lot of times there are people hanging out beforehand and they have like, you know, you call them tailgates. It's high school. Usually it's like a giant ball of Cheetos.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And you do that and you don't have to stay the entire time, but you can if you want to. And you know, half the time it's pouring rain.

[Kim Holderness]

I've only been to three high school.

[Penn Holderness]

They're just the homecoming ones.

[Kim Holderness]

When she was the home. Or maybe four because was freshman year too.

[Penn Holderness]

She wasn't in homecoming course.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh yeah, I don't think. No, she was. Was she? Yeah, she was every year. Yeah, she was in the home. So I've been to four football games.

[Penn Holderness]

All the homecoming games and that.

[Kim Holderness]

I think I'm this. It was fun.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, you're ready.

[Kim Holderness]

And I left after halftime.

[Penn Holderness]

I gotcha. Number two. I will miss Lola's squad. Just her friends. There was this tradition where at their school they watch the sunset together. Then they either go to parties or whatever. And are thing was Lola bring as many people home as you want to. So 12 of them stayed at our house and they're like listening to like playing High School Musical. Well, doing like very wholesome cool stuff.

[Kim Holderness]

Which you know what they do when they. So there's 12 of them. So I guess with Lola 13, they all prepared a slideshow. One of them was like, what crime you would be convicted of and then your defense strat. Like it was just very funny. Like it was just very funny. Creative. Just.

[Penn Holderness]

Just constant giggling. And they always tell each other they love each other when they leave and they. When they see each other, it's like they've never. They act like they haven't seen each other in three years. They like scream and jump and hug and it just. It's just a cool vibe that I don't know that we're going to get from the boys. Number one. I. I don't want to graduate from the dinner table. Our dinner table. It's been the four of us for 15 years. And it started out with them in high chairs and then they got older. But we still found a way to have dinner and talk and joke. We'd play card games. We would get to hear them talk about their day. We also got to see firsthand the relationship that Lola has developed with PC. And it's one of the most special relationships I'll ever see because they truly do like each other. Especially after Lola started driving. It felt like the place where. Where we Just came back to the center and said, this is. This is what this is. And pretty soon there's going to be a person missing at the dinner table.

[Kim Holderness]

So hard to cry right now.

[Penn Holderness]

You don't have to cry.

[Kim Holderness]

No, I know, I know. Can I hold your hand? I know.

[Penn Holderness]

So that, like, that part.

[Kim Holderness]

No, that's gonna suck. That is. That's gonna suck. I'm sorry.

[Penn Holderness]

When I. When I, like, I. I started thinking about it early this year, even when they were, like, studying for tests and, like, frankly, weren't the greatest moods, but it's just. It's always like, that's the place. So I'm not ready to graduate from the four of us being at the dinner table together. In the end, she's ready. Like, aren't these kids almost always ready? Yeah, by this time. By the time they're 18. And college is awesome. Like, you get to literally build your life when you go to college. For the first 18 years, you got people telling you what you have to do on every turn. And then you get to high school, and it's like, oh, you can pick electives. Like, you get one or two electives. But basically, if you want to get into college or certain classes that you have to take, you get to college. And you are like, you are literally in the middle of your own roadblocks. Is that the right one?

[Kim Holderness]

That's where you build things.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, Roblox. Like, you can build your own empire around yourself when you go to college. And that's such a refreshing thing after spending 18 years under the iron fist of your parents.

[Kim Holderness]

Iron fist. No, you're right.

[Penn Holderness]

You know, and the third, like, the third thing is that we are going to, like, I'm already find myself doing this, right? We're going to make the most of every second that we spend with each other. Like our. When your minutes are precious, you get more out of them. And every minute's going to be precious with her. And it's the same thing's going to happen with PC. So, like, that. That's what I keep telling myself, like, as the sort of the. As a Die hard optimist. That's kind of what I. I always tell myself, but they're just little, little things that I'm gonna miss. Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, I have to say hang tight, guys, because once we're empty nesters, this podcast is going on the road.

[Penn Holderness]

We're going on the road.

[Kim Holderness]

We're taking it rv or we're gonna do laugh lines from the. Like, wouldn't that be so fun, Sam? Like, you know, I love a road trip, but, like, road trip to the Eiffel Tower. Yes.

[Rita]

Just that bridge that goes over the Atlantic Ocean.

[Kim Holderness]

That's the business. Business model is we take just travel. Like, we still haven't gotten enough to buy iPads and we're still on clipboards. But I'm sure, like a. A travel sponsor like Travelocity, we will.

[Rita]

Put your logo on the side of our RV as we travel across the country.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes. And like, Amazing Race had the tri velocity roaming gnome, and I had to do a bungee jump. That was the other thing about this.

[Penn Holderness]

Did you have to hold the gnome for the bungee jump?

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. Because of the brand sponsorship on the Amazing Race, it was. You had. There's always, like, an episode where they have the Travelocity roaming gnome because that's like, their mascot. I had to do a bungee jump with a gnome. Where was it strapped to my right thigh. So, like, it was strapped my thigh. And so I. I was so panic. I obviously dissociated because I couldn't use words. And also I was like, could I be impaled by a gnome?

[Penn Holderness]

Right. That's what I was thinking. Because, like, when it jerks back down, it could. Like, you're facing down. It could go up.

[Kim Holderness]

They made a baby harness for it.

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, that's cute. Actually. That's actually adorable. All right, I'm back on board. I like the fact that they had. They had gave it a whole bunch of.

[Kim Holderness]

But if I'm legal of Travelocity, I'm like, wait a second. Why are we having the person fall 722ft or whatever it was with a thing with a pointy hat.

[Penn Holderness]

It would be sad if they. Because they. It was the safest Amazing Race ever. Because we were. We were testing every 48 hours. It was during COVID They did more to make us safe than any game show has ever done for anybody.

[Kim Holderness]

And then they strapped a pointy object to my thigh, and I jumped off of a dam.

[Penn Holderness]

Then that happened.

[Kim Holderness]

And then that happened. But vis a vis, sponsorships, Travelocity, where will we take your roaming masters? We are the laugh line. Because we have a. Laugh lines on our face. But B, we also have a phone, voicemail recording machine.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. And so welcome to the future.

[Kim Holderness]

In a previous episode, we had submitted a call out like, tell me, tell me the song lyrics. You just. You just misunderstood. And we got a few voicemails Saturday nights. All right.

[Penn Holderness]

For Fighting by Elton John. For years, I thought the chorus was, don't give us none of your aggravation. We had it with your Death Star plans. I thought it came out right after Star wars and was kind of making a pop culture reference. And then one day on YouTube music, I found out it was actually written and recorded in 1973, so that was impossible. And it turns out Elton is singing. We had it with your discipline. I guess I'm a Star wars nut.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, okay. So can you sing?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. We had it with your desert plans Saturday night, so. Right. For fighting. So it's actually. We had a way of discipline.

[Kim Holderness]

It does sound like Death Star, to be honest.

[Penn Holderness]

It's better.

[Kim Holderness]

That's our plans.

[Penn Holderness]

Death Star plans is better. I never heard that. When. By the way, that song is a flipping bop banger. I absolutely love that song. And I never thought of Death Star plans, but from now on, yeah, that's. I'm going with it. I like it better.

[Kim Holderness]

That's a really good one. Hey, I love a misheard song lyric. So if you've got any more, call the laugh line. And we also. We have a review from Rita. I've not heard this.

[Penn Holderness]

I'd love some. Some feedback.

[Jenny]

I just actually watched your second episode with Dr. Poncer and I am not a podcast person. Like, I don't listen to podcasts. It's just not.

[Penn Holderness]

Not.

[Jenny]

I'm not that person. But I loved being able to watch it. I got pushed over from Instagram, so I was like, oh, I'll check this out. And so I'm just leaving you this voicemail to tell you it was great and it was funny and I laughed and he was a great guest and you guys look great. It looks really, really great.

[Penn Holderness]

So good job.

[Jenny]

I don't know. I'm just telling you I really, really liked it. So thanks and keep doing it.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, Rita, stop.

[Penn Holderness]

I was waiting for, like, a backhanded compliment.

[Kim Holderness]

So sweet. You know, when people take the time. Usually people take the time to leave you a bad review.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes.

[Kim Holderness]

Right. But they left. Oh, Rita, that was so sweet.

[Penn Holderness]

Thanks, Rita.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you for calling the Laugh Lines. We encourage you to keep in touch. We love this little community that we're creating on a really nice place of the Internet.

[Penn Holderness]

Laugh Lines is written and produced by Kim Holderness, Pen Holderness, and Ann Marie Tapi with original music by Pen Holderness. It is filmed, filmed, edited and live produced by Sam Allen and hosted by acast. As always, we'd love to hear from you. Please write to [e-mail] or leave a voicemail at 3 2, 3. You don't have it memorized yet.

[Kim Holderness]

I do. Bet you that'd be funny if you did it by yourself.

[Penn Holderness]

You suck. 323-364-3929 and we will talk to you very soon. And we love you.

[Kim Holderness]

And maybe, maybe the next time we'll see a Travelocity roaming gnome.

[Penn Holderness]

Maybe we'll be in Paris.

[Kim Holderness]

Maybe we'll be in Paris, you guys.

[Penn Holderness]

Laughline.

[Rita]

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