New Starts & Picture Books

Summary

Podcast Summary: Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness
Episode: New Starts & Picture Books
Release Date: February 25, 2025

Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness, hosted by the dynamic duo Kim and Penn Holderness, delves into the joys and challenges of aging with humor and heartfelt conversations. In the episode titled "New Starts & Picture Books," aired on February 25, 2025, Kim and Penn navigate through personal updates, creative endeavors, and their passion for children's literature. This detailed summary captures the essence of their engaging discussion, highlighting key points, insights, and memorable quotes with corresponding timestamps.

1. Weather Wonders in North Carolina ([04:37])

Kim and Penn kick off the episode with a lighthearted conversation about the unusual weather patterns in North Carolina. They share their excitement over consecutive days of snow, a rare event in their region.

• Kim: “It's the second day in a row that it's snowing. I don't remember it ever snowing two days in a row here.” ([04:58])
• Penn: “Usually we're a bit of a cry wolf state... But it snowed all day yesterday.” ([05:06])

They humorously speculate that by the time listeners tune in, the weather will likely shift to sunny skies, reflecting the unpredictable nature of their locale.

2. Expanding to YouTube: Embracing New Platforms ([05:44])

Addressing the evolving landscape of podcast consumption, Kim shares an intriguing statistic:

• Kim: “Fun fact, Ann Marie, our producer tells us that 53% of podcast listeners, more than half consume podcasts on YouTube.” ([05:44])

They discuss their apprehensions and excitement about launching their podcast on YouTube, acknowledging the additional effort required but recognizing the platform's growing importance.

• Penn: “It's super locked. Very smart.” ([06:21])

3. Rebranding the Podcast: From Holderness to "Tell Us More" ([07:05])

The hosts explore the idea of renaming their podcast to better reflect its inclusive and conversational nature. They consider "Tell Us More," emphasizing a dialogue between themselves and the listeners.

• Kim: “It gives permission to ask those questions.” ([09:06])
• Penn: “It's really the most inclusive podcast in the history of mankind.” ([09:55])

4. Personal Milestones: Daughter’s College Acceptance ([11:13])

A heartfelt segment where Kim and Penn share the emotional journey of their daughter Lola's college acceptance. They describe the mixed emotions of pride and the impending physical distance.

• Kim: “She is...very happy that this process has come to a conclusion.” ([43:58])
• Penn: “You can be unbelievably proud of your daughter and know that she's going to the school she's supposed to go to, but also just heartbroken that it's going to be farther away than you thought.” ([14:28])

They reflect on the challenges of maintaining relationships with children who attend colleges farther away and offer comforting advice to other parents navigating similar experiences.

5. Pitching a Keynote Address: Embracing Creativity ([18:21])

Kim and Penn discuss their upcoming pitch meeting for a keynote address focused on creativity. They express their enthusiasm about sharing their creative processes and engaging with live audiences.

• Penn: “We are teaching people in this talk about our creative process.” ([20:32])
• Kim: “It's going to be like stage performance, slash informative keynote.” ([21:13])

They humorously acknowledge the potential hurdles and maintain a lighthearted outlook on the possibility of their pitch's success.

6. Introducing "Wild Interest": A Podcast for Kids ([22:19])

The duo recommends a children’s podcast, Wild Interest, highlighting its benefits for children’s mental regulation and engagement during car trips.

• Kim: “We talk a lot about ADHD on our podcast, and one really important thing you can do to thrive with ADHD is regulate your nervous system.” ([22:49])
• Penn: “Wild Interest is designed to help regulate kids' nervous systems.” ([22:58])

They emphasize the podcast’s role in promoting calmness and happiness among young listeners.

7. Spring Refresh: Bolan Branch Bedding ([23:29])

Embracing the season of renewal, Kim and Penn share their excitement about refreshing their home, particularly focusing on Bolan Branch’s high-quality bedding products.

• Kim: “Refreshing your bed is the most satisfying.” ([23:37])
• Penn: “Boll and Branch's signature sheets...feel buttery to the touch.” ([24:00])

They commend the craftsmanship and ethical production practices of Bolan Branch, encouraging listeners to enhance their sleep quality with these products.

8. Unveiling Their Creative Process: From Ideas to Content ([26:02])

Delving into their creative journey, Kim and Penn discuss how they generate ideas and transform everyday observations into entertaining content.

• Penn: “Kim notices something that's going on in real life. We go back and we talk about it and we find a way to make it funny.” ([26:12])
• Kim: “We're very creative people... but we suck at naming things.” ([26:53])

They reveal that their upcoming keynote will formalize their long-standing, albeit subconscious, creative strategies.

9. Children’s Book Publishing: A New Endeavor ([30:19])

Kim and Penn excitedly announce their plans to publish two children's books, expanding their repertoire from their bestselling adult book, ADHD Is Awesome.

• Kim: “We are signing allegedly, an agreement for two children's books.” ([30:34])
• Penn: “We've done two of these books before, and there's artwork and there's edits.” ([31:43])

They discuss the challenges and rewards of publishing, expressing optimism about accelerated timelines with their new publisher.

10. Top Five Children's Books: Sharing Favorites ([33:45])

Wrapping up the episode, Kim and Penn share their top five favorite children's books, providing personal anecdotes and reasons for their selections.

• Penn's List:

  1. Corduroy
  2. The Bear
  3. Fancy Nancy
  4. Where the Sidewalk Ends by Shel Silverstein
  5. Pete and Pickles by Berkeley Breathed

• Kim's Additions:

  • Paper Bag Princess: “Our kids really loved Paper Bag Princess.” ([34:55])

They highlight how these books have impacted their children and resonate with their own experiences, reinforcing their love for storytelling and creativity.

Concluding Thoughts and Emotional Reflections ([41:22])

Towards the end, Kim and Penn reflect on the emotional aspects of parenting and the impending changes as their daughter embarks on her college journey. They candidly share their vulnerabilities, emphasizing the balance between pride and the fear of growing apart.

• Kim: “She is and continues to be a very locked in, button up student.” ([42:14])
• Penn: “It's every time I want to be sad, I look at her and she's just so damn happy.” ([42:46])

Their authenticity and openness provide a relatable and touching close to the episode, reinforcing the podcast's theme of aging gracefully and supporting each other through life's transitions.

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Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness continues to blend humor with heartfelt insights, creating a space where listeners can laugh, learn, and grow alongside the hosts. The "New Starts & Picture Books" episode exemplifies their ability to intertwine personal anecdotes with broader discussions, offering both entertainment and meaningful takeaways.

Transcript

[Kim Holderness]

Hey Penn, have you ever had this conversation? You meet someone, they say, hey, how you doing? And without thinking you just reply, I'm good. You?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, of course. Right.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, I decided when I say I'm good, I want to meet it. That's why I'm using Headspace.

[Penn Holderness]

Great. So Headspace is the app that helps me and 100 million people with their mental health and well being with guided meditations, mindfulness practices, breathing and calming exercises, and so much more.

[Kim Holderness]

It reduces stress, boosts your mood, and helps you sleep better. By combining scientifically proven benefits of medit and mindfulness with modern practices, the app.

[Penn Holderness]

Has these customized personalized approaches to help you navigate through all of life's moments, whether they're big or small.

[Kim Holderness]

If you're a total newbie or have been meditating for years, there's always content for what you're going through.

[Penn Holderness]

And if you're short on time, Headspace has these quick on the go programs that help you get in the right headspace in just a few minutes.

[Kim Holderness]

With more than 1000 hours of mindfulness exercises, it's got the most complete meditation library I've ever seen. I can feel my mental health getting a boost by taking a few minutes minutes every day, listening to the programming and reframing my relationship with stress and anxiety.

[Penn Holderness]

So feel good and mean it when you say it. For a limited time, get Headspace for free for 60 days just go to headspace.comholderness yes h e a d s p a c e dot com Holderness to unlock all of Headspace.

[Kim Holderness]

Free for 60 days headspace.com Holderness Penn, you feeling that spring travel itch?

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, you know it. I'm looking outside. The sun is shining. It's perfect out. I'm ready to head to the beach.

[Kim Holderness]

Vacation season is almost upon us and this year I'm treating myself to luxe upgrades I deserve with Quince's high quality travel essentials at fair prices.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, like the lightweight European linen styles from $30, washable silk tops and comfy lounge sets with premium luggage options and stylish tote bags that carry it all.

[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

And Quint's only works with factories that use safe, ethical and responsible manufacturing practices and premium fabrics and finishes, which we both love.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm definitely going to be grabbing an Italian leather pouch travel set to upgrade my makeup for our next Vacay.

[Penn Holderness]

And I may need to grab like a new toiletry bag as well. For your next trip, treat yourself to the luxe upgrades you deserve from Quint's. Go to quince.comholderness for 365 day returns plus free shipping on your order.

[Kim Holderness]

That's Q U I n c e.com Holderness to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Holderness Hey Penn, have you ever had this conversation? You meet someone, they say, hey, how you doing? And without thinking, you just reply, I'm good. You?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, of course. Right.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, I decided when I say I'm good, I want to meet it. That's why I'm using Headspace.

[Penn Holderness]

Great. So Headspace is the app that helps me and 100 million people with their mental health and well being with guided meditations, mindfulness practices, breathing and calming exercises, and so much more.

[Kim Holderness]

It reduces stress, boosts your mood, and helps you sleep better. By combining scientifically proven benefits of meditation and mindfulness with modern practices, the app.

[Penn Holderness]

Has these customized personalized approaches to help you navigate through all of life's moments, whether they're big or small.

[Kim Holderness]

If you're a total newbie or have been meditating for years. Years, there's always content for what you're going through.

[Penn Holderness]

And if you're short on time, Headspace has these quick on the go programs that help you get in the right headspace in just a few minutes.

[Kim Holderness]

With more than 1000 hours of mindfulness exercises, it's got the most complete meditation library I've ever seen. I can feel my mental health getting a boost by taking a few minutes every day, listening to the programming, and reframing my relationship with stress and anxiety.

[Penn Holderness]

So feel good and mean it when you say it. For a limited time, get Headspace for free for 60 days. Just go to headspace.comholderness yes. H-E-A-S-P-A C E.com Holderness to unlock all of Headspace. Free for 60 days.

[Kim Holderness]

Headspace.com Holderness it's like the Bible.

[Penn Holderness]

Then Goodnight Moon. And then anything about vampires.

[Kim Holderness]

And then anything about Taylor Swift.

[Penn Holderness]

Then anything about courts of beds and thorns. Oh yes, thorns.

[Kim Holderness]

And then.

[Penn Holderness]

And then Brown Bear.

[Kim Holderness]

Hey everyone. Oh yeah, it's going great, guys.

[Penn Holderness]

Hey everyone.

[Kim Holderness]

Hey everyone. It's Kim.

[Penn Holderness]

It's also Pen Holderness. And so this is the best intro we've ever done on the Holderness family podcast. Guys, just so you know, I'm looking out the window and it's. It's like snowing heavily. And we live in North Carolina.

[Kim Holderness]

It's this. Oh, also it's beautiful. It's the second day in a row that it's snowing. I don't remember it ever snowing two days in a row here.

[Penn Holderness]

Well, here's the thing. Usually we're a bit of a cry wolf state, right? Like, they say it's going to snow, they close the schools, no one goes to school. And then it's like 70 degrees and sunny and everyone's complaining about why there's no school today. They were like, it may snow for a second.

[Kim Holderness]

It's been going for a bit, a.

[Penn Holderness]

Couple hours and schools are already closed. And it snowed all day yesterday.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. This week we've got a little beak behind the curtain into some fresh new starts, some really fun projects, some personal news we have. But yes, I would say the headline is it's snowing. But by the time you listen to this, because it's North Carolina, it will be 72 degrees and sunny.

[Penn Holderness]

So, yeah, that's just science for you.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, another quick update. Fun fact, Ann Marie, our producer tells us that 53% of podcast listeners, more than half consume podcasts on YouTube.

[Penn Holderness]

Is that right?

[Kim Holderness]

So YouTube.

[Penn Holderness]

So they're watching it?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, it's now the leading platform for podcasts.

[Penn Holderness]

Wow. Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

So over the years we have had questions about putting our podcast on YouTube and it's, it's pretty daunting if I'm honest, because although we work in a video platform doing hour long or 45 minute long videos, it, it takes some work. But we're making some change and we're going to be launching it, like, soon.

[Penn Holderness]

This is a genius move by Anne Marie, who knows that you and I are very particular about putting this on.

[Kim Holderness]

Television and, or it's actually, it would never be.

[Penn Holderness]

Sorry. On a screen. On a screen.

[Kim Holderness]

On a screen.

[Penn Holderness]

Excuse me. And so by putting this into our special announcements, we now are like, locked in on this.

[Kim Holderness]

Super locked.

[Penn Holderness]

Very smart.

[Kim Holderness]

Very.

[Penn Holderness]

And I like it too. It's going to like she. We needed to, we need to push because we're, we're, are we a little bit of a perfectionist when it comes to this?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. Yeah. And we all are. I mean, everybody in our team is.

[Penn Holderness]

The video part of it.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. But I think that we just have to have our. Just do it. No, you're. If you're listening on Spotify or itunes, you're still gonna be able to listen. It won't change. But we'll be posting a video version on YouTube, do you think, can I.

[Penn Holderness]

Ask, like, can we marinate in this a bit? Because we've got time. It's a podcast. Do you think we'll be good at that? Do you think it's different? Right. We know that there's a camera on you.

[Kim Holderness]

So they. We had. Where were we? Oh, we were. We took a few days off because our kids had off school and Anne Marie and Sam and Desmond came in and they sort of rearranged the attic furniture and we, we've kind of. We're sitting in the chairs that we're going to be potting from. I'm not wearing a bra. I'm wearing my leopard print fleece pants that if you're, if you're family here, you know, have a big hole in the crotch. So this would not be appropriate. So I'm thinking to myself, I'm going to have to put on makeup. Or maybe I don't. Maybe we just don't. Maybe this is the place where we're just like come as you are. You.

[Penn Holderness]

You did okay me to order those, those high resolution cameras. So they are, they're getting here today and we're going to set them up and they are.

[Kim Holderness]

Is there like a TikTok filter or.

[Penn Holderness]

A Snapchat filter Kappa. They are 4K. Yes. Maybe let's just be the people. The touch up appearance.

[Kim Holderness]

No, let's just show up how we are. Yeah, right. It's a gift.

[Penn Holderness]

I'm fine with that. I guess I was asking more about like if you know that this is going out on camera. Like I play like, I fidget with stuff. I like I don't pick my nose, but I'll mess with my hair or I'll mess with.

[Kim Holderness]

It's going to be stuff.

[Penn Holderness]

And I know that. I know we've done this for a living on camera for a long time, but I've got to I guess get back a little bit to just remembering basic manners when I'm talking.

[Kim Holderness]

We'll get there, we'll get there. Or maybe we don't. And that's what makes it great. We are also thinking about renaming this podcast. I mean right now it doesn't really have a name, it's just our name. So that's really boring. We don't wanna do. At first it was tell me more. But then we learned that 97 podcasts are called Tell me more because Tell me more is probably the most frequently used phrase in our house. There's too many podcasts with tell me more. So we're thinking Tell us More. Because there's two of us.

[Penn Holderness]

That's totally different.

[Kim Holderness]

It's totally different, you guys.

[Penn Holderness]

Well, it might work.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm so bad.

[Penn Holderness]

It's.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, that. So that was. So. It was Anne Marie's idea. And it. At first I was like, I don't know. But then I started to like it because I think we approach this podcast out of genuine curiosity, out of the world. What's happening in our marriage, what's happening in our parenting? So when we have people on or when we're talking to each other, it is absolute curiosity. So if we say that, it gives permission to ask those questions.

[Penn Holderness]

And I, like, tell us more, too, because it's inclusive. It makes it feel like the conversation is between me and you, Kim and you, the listener. That's an us.

[Kim Holderness]

That is an if.

[Penn Holderness]

I. If I want to know more from Kim, our listener wants to know more from Kim, too. So Kim is not just telling me.

[Kim Holderness]

She's telling us.

[Penn Holderness]

It's really the most inclusive podcast in the history of mankind.

[Kim Holderness]

See, there has to be an award for that. Yeah. So. So we. It would just be like, tell us more with Ben and Kim or something like that. So to you guys, it's still the same thing, but for us, we've just been. We've been deep in thought about the podcast.

[Penn Holderness]

Can we just, like, lift the veil and say, it is really funny? We come up with ideas all the time. This happened with the board game. This happened with books. We're like, oh, here's what we're gonna call it. And then you Google it. And 8 million people have done it before.

[Kim Holderness]

I know.

[Penn Holderness]

There are no original ide escaping unless you just make up a word like flinderflog.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, that's probably available. I will say. And this is a segue as we talk about our creative process in a little bit. We are, I do believe, very creative people. In. In certain ways. You are very. You think in terms of music. You have a very comedic brain. I think I'm a good writer. Like, we're creative. We suck at naming things. So if you guys have suggestion for a name, bring it. Anne Marie and Sam are definitely our namers and titlers and captioners, the clubhouse leaders.

[Penn Holderness]

Tell us more. I think with Kim and Pen, I think we're getting rid of the Holderness family and just going, kim and Pen.

[Kim Holderness]

Right?

[Penn Holderness]

Is that.

[Kim Holderness]

I think we might have Holderness in there.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

I don't know.

[Penn Holderness]

It's. It's a clunky last name that, unfortunately, I gave you, but Kim and Pen is the same number of syllables and it gives more information.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, what I love most about the last name is. And I love meeting you guys in person. Really. I am an introvert, but I love meeting people who listen to this podcast. And I'm always in the, you know, in an airport or at Target or something. And people like, oh, you're Holderman. I'm like, yes, I am Kim Holderman.

[Penn Holderness]

Holderson Holders. Lola was announced in a basketball game as Lola Holders.

[Kim Holderness]

It's a lot. It's a lot. We collapsed. Okay. Speaking of Lola.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, that was a segue on purpose, you guys.

[Kim Holderness]

If you've been listening, you know, our daughter is a senior and she is. Was knee deep in the college application process.

[Penn Holderness]

And if I may, we've been talking about this for four years.

[Kim Holderness]

We've been talking about.

[Penn Holderness]

Because that's when going to college starts.

[Kim Holderness]

Is in high school.

[Penn Holderness]

Unfortunately, it starts in ninth grade. And so we've talked to essay people, we've talked to guidance counselors. Thank God. We've talked to Hope because she talks us back to Sensetown.

[Kim Holderness]

Dr. Hope Seidel, who's a parent coach. Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And, and so sorry. Just to say we've been talking about this for a long. This process has been a very long process, and this process is done over.

[Kim Holderness]

So our daughter has committed to a school and we aren't going to say where she's going. She can, she can post it wherever she wants to, but I just think you should find out from her if she wants to talk about it, but it's not our business to tell. I will say it is not the school we thought she'd go to. She got into the school we thought she'd go to, and we were so happy. And then she got into this other, like her kind of super secret dream school. And it is farther away than we thought. So these days you get an email with a notification and you don't. There's no more. Waiting by the mailbox for a big envelope. And Lola opens it up and her jaw drops.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Stunned silence. I was filming, so I wasn't on the, on the camera. You also, your jaw dropped. You kind of, you yelled, holy. Lola was rigid, shaking, completely stunned about what was going on. But you could tell, very happy. I was laughing because I guess I was trying to break the silence. And then quickly, a couple of things happened. Like, I saw my, my wife's pride in my daughter. I saw a smile. I saw Lola's pride that she got in. And then, and then I saw then Kim. Kim Looked away for a second. I was like, okay, she's. She. It just hit her that Lola's not going to be right around the corner anymore. And she. And Kim, I think her heart broke a little bit and. And she wiped the tears away, looked back at her smile and said, this is so amazing. And it didn't skip a beat, but I. I could see it all happening in front of me, and it's all very real and it's all very normal and beautiful and like, so many things can be true. Right. You can be unbelievably proud of your daughter and know that she's going to the school she's supposed to go to, but also just heartbroken that it's going to be farther away than you thought it would be.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And I. I deserve an Oscar, probably for that performance.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Because literally tears streaming down my face and I made them look like to her that it was happy tears.

[Penn Holderness]

It seems like so much of that is. Is centered or all of it is really centered around distance. Right.

[Kim Holderness]

100%.

[Penn Holderness]

And it's the interesting. One of the interesting things I heard is there are people who see and talk to their kids more who are a plane flight away than their kids who are a car drive away. I mean, it just depends on what their college experience is going to be and how much they want to communicate. I was a car drive away from my parents and I. I ghosted them so hard through college. And I'm sorry, my mom and dad, like.

[Kim Holderness]

Did you have a cell phone back then, though?

[Penn Holderness]

No. Yeah, I mean, it's just full on ghosting. I mean, it was like. It was bad. Like, I don't.

[Kim Holderness]

You're not. You should not be telling me this right now.

[Penn Holderness]

Well, okay. Here's the other thing, though. Like, they were, like, definitely up in my business for the first 18 years of my life, and one of the things that I needed personally was just a little space and a little room to cultivate my own social life. I think we've been better about that with our kids. We've been less up in their business, so I don't expect that to happen. I'm just telling you the truth that, like.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, no, I know. It's.

[Penn Holderness]

It's. It like the. The actual physical distance. I know it feels like a lot, but I don't think it's going to mean as much as you think it is.

[Kim Holderness]

I will say this. We've learned a lot through the process, and perhaps one day we'll do a full podcast with Lola so she can share what she had learned and what we would do. There's not much we would do differently because she did a great job. But I would say this. We've had some friends who have younger kids, and they say, oh, my gosh, I'm so stressed out. I, you know, my kid doesn't have the grades Lola had. Like, will they get in it? Yeah, your kid's gonna get in somewhere. This is what I've learned. There is a school for everybody. They are you. Lola was, like, very academically dialed in. But there are kids who chose a different path in high school, who. Great kids, but they chose to work a ton, and they. They chose to make other decisions about that. So. And they're going to. They're going to school. So, you know, so it may not be your first choice, but you're going to get in somewhere. So I would just say that to calm nerves. And so that's where I don't. I didn't hear anybody saying that. And so I just want to put that out there for people who are looking at the process. Everybody gets in somewhere. May not be your first choice, maybe like a small private school out of state, but like somebody you're going to get in somewhere.

[Penn Holderness]

The thing I've heard the most and that I've tried to say over the last four years, but I don't know how well received it's been to my. To the people I'm saying it to, are the school that you're going to go to college is going to be the school you're supposed to go to for college. And in a lot of ways, you have to let fate decide that. And that's counterproductive to everything. In a competitive universe and a competitive college applications process with multiple guidance counselors and people really like helping you out on all, all levels with. With school, with extracurricular activities, with ways to kind of sell yourself as a student because of how unbelievably competitive it is right now. In the end, it's going to be the school you're supposed to go to. And it's hard to, like, see. Don't you see it better now that it's over?

[Kim Holderness]

I guess my point in saying that was you don't have to do all the stuff that Lola did and you can get into.

[Penn Holderness]

So I guess I was just. Yes. Ending that, because I did hear that a lot.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And, yeah, there's also. I mean, it's college. It's. It's something that some people want to do and some people don't want to Do.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, yeah. So if you. Yeah. That everybody gets in somewhere if you want to go and you don't have to go. Okay, moving on. Next fun fact. We ready to move on?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. We are this afternoon at the time you're listening this. In an hour and a half, we have a pitch meeting for our keynote address. You've heard us talk about this. We're working on a keynote right now. We have two. Okay. And we just want to. We're just in the mood to kind of hit the road. Right?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. We talked about this for a while and we've done some of these speaking engagements before, but they've always just been sort of one at a time. People have said, hey, are you interested in coming and talking to our group about blank? And then we would put together something that caters to what they're doing. Then we find out that there's this whole business where really you just tell them what you can talk about. It's already prepared. You don't have to change it every single time. And you show up and do it. That was like super attractive to me for a couple of reasons. Number one, after the ADHD book tour, I've really craved the connection that we've made with people that's not online. Like an actual. A handshake or a hug or like seeing people's eyes instead of their comments. And there's nothing wrong with the comments, but the comments. And number two, I am just going to put my 10 hat back on just briefly and say that I just think that there's going to be videos of us coming out in like a year that aren't us, that we didn't make, that's going to look just like us. There's going to be deep fakes of us. And so like, why are we. What are we doing here?

[Kim Holderness]

Can I also. Can I. I'm going to take off your tin hat for one second. I think the deep fake market, they're busy with actual celebrities. I don't think we're good enough for the deep fake market.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay. I hope so.

[Kim Holderness]

I will say though, there's going to be so much AI that we already are craving human connection. So, yeah, this is one way, a kind of a low lift way to do it. So because everybody has a conference, right. Everybody has a convention. So Penn has gone and given a beautiful keynote about ADHD and his sort of thoughts about how we should be handling it in the world. A little niche, but still, it's amazing.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. So we, we actually should. We mentioned that we actually Got some people to help us do this. I like to tell people, when we.

[Kim Holderness]

Got help, oh, a hundred percent. So we. I will say every other speech process, Penn and I would sit because somebody would hire us and say, we want you to talk about teamwork and reference Amazing Race. We would do that. And we had never gotten into bigger fights than when Penn and I had to write a speech together.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. So we needed a.

[Kim Holderness]

We needed somebody to save our marriage.

[Penn Holderness]

Right. But also someone who understood the market. So this a keynote. Specifically, this is what we're talking about, is when a convention of, like, a group of people are getting together and they've got, like, a weekend event and they need someone to give sort of the main speech. And what's that speech going to be about? And there's a whole economy of this because there's quite a few companies who do this. And these people that we hired, they know what they're looking for.

[Kim Holderness]

Right.

[Penn Holderness]

And it's not adhd, usually.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Which is fine. But so we kind of went through, like, what can we talk about?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. So we did the teamwork Amazing Race thing before. We've done some marriage communication and how that translates into workplace. We've done that before. What we came down to was creativity. It made sense because every business, every organization thrives on creativity. So we are teaching people in this talk about our creative process. And because it's us, we have music, there's going to be a keyboard out on the stage. We'll have some video examples, and it's going to be like stage performance, slash informative keynote. So we are so excited. And so we're pitching it to a group of agents today. So by the time you're listening to this, we hope they've said, wow, guys, that's amazing. Hired. So that's what we're doing today.

[Penn Holderness]

I really hope so. Otherwise, we're going to rerecord this podcast or give you an update that none of this actually worked.

[Kim Holderness]

We're coming right back.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. While most of those podcasts are made and hosted by adults, we found one that's for kids. Made by kids and hosted by kids.

[Kim Holderness]

Wild Interest.

[Penn Holderness]

Wild Interest. It is super well produced with original music, great sound design, and a whole audio mission designed to calm and regulate kids.

[Kim Holderness]

You know, we talk a lot about ADHD on our podcast, and One really important thing you can do to thrive with ADHD is regulate your nervous system.

[Penn Holderness]

Absolutely. When people get dysregulated, even people without adhd actually, Kim, it can snowball and make regular life, well, difficult. Well, Wild Interest is actually designed to help regulate kids nervous systems. There's calm music and thoughtful subject matters and the vocal tone and cadence are all made with the same result in calm and happy kids.

[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

So the creativity part of it, I do like, I'll give you like a little bit of a quick elevator speech on this without giving too much away. We get asked, the question we get asked the most is how do you come up with your ideas?

[Kim Holderness]

Right.

[Penn Holderness]

And the easiest answer is Kim notices something that's going on in real life. We go back and we talk about it and we find a way to make it funny. And it's that simple. Right. We look at what's going on and we try to make it funny, but there's a lot more inside that. And over the last 10 years, in order to be able to do what we do over and over again, we've been very intentional in what we go after when it comes to ideas. And there is an actual process. It's so funny. Kim, wouldn't you say we've been, we've been perfecting this without saying it out loud. And then what this keynotes help us do is like, realize what it is that we're doing because a lot of it was subconscious before.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And it's definitely helped us refine that. We're super excited about it. I mean, we even thought, hey, is this our next book? But there's so many books on creativity and I don't know, it's great. And we, we love, we loved the book tour. We love meeting you guys. Also, it was pitched to us to do some sort of like, tour variety that's like, not for corporate America. That would just be like us going to theaters and stuff and selling tickets.

[Penn Holderness]

A lot of our friends do it.

[Kim Holderness]

That's like Taylor Kalmus and Charlie Barrons and they do a great job. They love it. I just don't know if my anxiety could handle selling. Being in charge of selling tickets.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

You know, like, yeah, I don't know, don't you?

[Penn Holderness]

I think if it was a product, if we had a product and you were like, oh, this is fun, let's go do this, then you might change your mind. But again, we don't have a. We don't have a product.

[Kim Holderness]

We don't have a product.

[Penn Holderness]

We have three minutes of products that we can do twice a week, which is what we do in our job. But that's not the same as this. You would actually be amazing on stage in that sort of world. I've always thought that you're. If you wanted to be a stand up comedian, you actually could be because you're very funny and your timing and your voice and your eyes and your delivery are spectacular.

[Kim Holderness]

You're very kind.

[Penn Holderness]

That doesn't mean that you should do it.

[Kim Holderness]

I know you can do it. I know that is one of those things you're very generous to say. That does not. It's not on my list of things I want to tackle in this lifetime. I wouldn't mind with you having some sort of format, but I do not want to at this point in my life. Next year could be different. But just being in charge of like. And then what if nobody shows up? Up.

[Penn Holderness]

I'm not worried about that. Then if no one shows up, then you cancel the show.

[Kim Holderness]

Speaking of show and we're just like really just pulling back the curtain here. We had a production company come to us in the first months of lockdown.

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, you mean 2020.

[Kim Holderness]

2020.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes, that's correct. It was like July.

[Kim Holderness]

They wanted to. Very flattering. Build a, like a game show around us. It involved music. It was great. We pitched that thing. We were in pitch meetings for over a year. Two years.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And this is just such a, like a Hollywood thing. They're like, well, nobody's buying right now. It's Covid. Two years. Well, a different production company has come to us and so we are going to start pitching that this one I think is better. This is a better show.

[Penn Holderness]

What are your overall expectations of this, Kim? I'd love to know.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, so I have such low expectations. Not because the people are so professional and it's. And you have heard their names before and they've put out. They create amazing television. I just don't have any. It would be like a fun cherry on top of my life. Not. I don't need it as a meal anyway. But it'll be fun if that happens and we'll tell you all about it. But the chances of it happening. Small.

[Penn Holderness]

It's small. And I mean, it might. So many people in this business, they'll do this for five years and then they'll land something and then it'll happen. And that's like a normal cadence for them because they're doing other things, which we are as well. But it just moves very, very slow, especially for people like you and I who get an idea, we put it together, and you get to see it tomorrow.

[Kim Holderness]

Right. Okay. Can I talk about. This is a good segue in terms of speed and efficiency. Yeah, sort of. Well, this is probably the thing in my life, besides my daughter. Daughter being very happy about where she's going to school. She's so happy that she's so happy.

[Penn Holderness]

She's so happy.

[Kim Holderness]

You guys, this is the thing I am most excited about in our life right now is we haven't signed another dotted line. So hopefully by the time you hear this, it's signed. So I guess we shouldn't say the name of the publisher, but we have. We are signing allegedly, an agreement for two children's books. And we're really excited because forever we've wanted to make ADHD is Awesome into a kid's books because we met so many of you in these book tours and you have these little precious babies. And our book is meant for. The one that's out on the shelves right now is meant for adults. So we're gonna. You know, Penn has already written it, the first book, and it's amazing and so welcoming. So that typically that process takes like two years. We had no idea how long the children's book process was. But because of the art and how special that art is, it takes two years. We are standing with a publisher who's going to fast track it and hopefully, fingers crossed, it's out fall.

[Penn Holderness]

That's what they're saying.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And. And I cannot stress enough how impressive that is. And if it doesn't work, I'm not going to be heartbroken or anything. But if it does work, I'm going to be blown away because this. We've done two of these books before, and there's artwork and there's edits.

[Kim Holderness]

You mean two adult books?

[Penn Holderness]

Yes, we've done. But we've printed two books before. So, like, we know the challenges between. And then, you know, they'll do like a. What they call a strike where you have to get the actual papers and then you look at the papers and if it's a children's book, like, there may be a color that doesn't look good or. And then you've Got to send it back and do that again. And. And it definitely feels like old school, 1920s press when you're doing it. And part of that's kind of charming and wonderful, I would say. But, yes, I'm so excited, and I think these people get it. Like, they understand the need for it. Because it's hard to sell a book about ADHD sometimes.

[Kim Holderness]

They are. Okay, I will say this also, we were very flattered to be able to meet with, like, all of the big children's book publishers. I mean, we're a handful of them. They're the biggest ones. We felt very, very flattered to be in meetings. These are the publishers of most of the books you see on shelves right now. Let me tell you how good you should feel about buying a children's book. The care that goes into these things. And just the thought. And I just was. You mean selling one or just creating one and putting it on a shelf at just these publishers? All of them?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

I was so blown away by the energy they put into them, and it got me so excited. I was like, this is our new job. We are children's book authors. We. We will make a video or two here and there, but this is what we're doing. We're just gonna be in the factory printing children's books. I'm so excited about this. Children's books are, like, really? I do a lot of reading, but when my kids grew out of the stage where we were, like, reading together every night, I got really sad.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. Cause they were fun to read. Right. And you learned. And then I think even after that happened, I found myself, I'd be reading a regular book and thinking, oh, man, can we go back and read this one?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

So on that note, yeah, we do have a top five.

[Kim Holderness]

We love a top five. This week.

[Penn Holderness]

We've got top five children's books. And this is my list. Do you have your own list, or would you. Do you want to just.

[Kim Holderness]

I'll just add on to yours.

[Penn Holderness]

I didn't really, by the way, I asked Lola, and she gave me her top three.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, do. We could start with that one?

[Kim Holderness]

I. You know, you can start with that one.

[Penn Holderness]

So Lola's top three children's books that she. I just texted her, I said, what were your favorite three children's books? And she said, these are the three that I remember. Remember? And her three were corduroy.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

The bear.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Remember the bear?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Fancy Nancy.

[Kim Holderness]

Anything Fancy Nancy.

[Penn Holderness]

Which is fantastic because we would read.

[Kim Holderness]

It like Fancy Nancy.

[Penn Holderness]

Right? It was all about the delivery. Yes. It was 100 about the delivery. The last one was the day the crayons quit, which she told me helped her get through the kind of emotions of. Of moving to a new house. Yeah. Which I thought was very sweet. And she still remembers that book.

[Kim Holderness]

You just never know what your kids are gonna like. I love. First of all, I love all those books.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Fancy Nancy.

[Penn Holderness]

But those were the ones she remembers. I don't think that was what I was expecting. Right.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

What are some that you remember that you really liked?

[Kim Holderness]

Paper Bag Princess.

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, my gosh. Lola.

[Kim Holderness]

Both of our kids really loved Paper.

[Penn Holderness]

Bag Princess, didn't she go find a.

[Kim Holderness]

A paper bag.

[Penn Holderness]

A paper bag and put it on, like, right afterwards.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And she walked around and we kept it, like, in her dress up. Like, she just put on a paper bag. So. Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

All right, so in my top five, I have three OLIs. That's outside looking in. That means you almost made it. I've got the Giving Tree.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Which was very sweet. I've got llama llama, Mrs. Mama, and I've got the Cods of Cape Cod.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. My. My best friend Liz gave that to Lola because she's from Massachusetts. And I think that was a great, very specific regional book. But you read it with such care.

[Penn Holderness]

That was the reason I liked it, is I could use my really poor Boston accent.

[Kim Holderness]

Give us the Cod to Cape Cod. Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Going to Brewster A. Yarmouth. So the whole I was just doing the Pac my car thing, like, and I. I don't know why, but my voice got raspy when I read it. Like, I guess my inner Bostonian. He sounds like this, so.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, our kids would just giggle every time.

[Penn Holderness]

He's a chain smoker.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay, so my top five children's books. Number five, where the Sidewalk Ends. Shel Silverstein.

[Kim Holderness]

Just the collection of Shel Silverstein.

[Penn Holderness]

Well, he's got a bunch of books.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

But like a Light in the Attic was one of the books. But where the Sidewalk Ends was his first collection of poems, and so that was his. His 1. Not the specific poem, where the Sidewalk Ends, but the book that had all the collections. I still believe that was the start of my love affair with rhyming stuff. I thought Shel Silverstein was so creative, and every page was a different direction and it was wildly different, but also incredibly familiar at the same time.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And it was all New York based and had a lot of, like, New York vibes to it. That's where he's from. And it made me, like, I Remember when, the first time I went to New York, I kept hearing those poems in my head.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, really?

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah, just. Yeah. And the way that it was illustrated, there were like stoops and they were, you know, they were kind of places that reminded me in New York. So that was number five for me. It probably could have been higher. So number four is, is we. They didn't have this, I think, when my daughter was a kid. But I read it recently and I'm like, oh my God, I love this book. It's called Woohoo. You're doing great by Sandra Boynton. Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And we loved, by the way, we had every single Sandra Boynton board book.

[Penn Holderness]

So this one is just a chicken talking about how the week has been for this child and like, oh my gosh, things are upside down. You're feeling like, really discouraged. You know what? You're doing great. And this book has become wildly popular for adults to send to other adults who are going through issues. So it's like one of those co readable ones that the kids like. But also like, if you're giving it as a gift, bad breakup or your job sucks or whatever, people are sending this book to them.

[Kim Holderness]

And that is our, our secret hope with our book, the ADHD kids book, is that if your friend gets di. Their kid gets diagnosed or whatever, obviously you send it to them. But if you have a, A like an ADHD mom friend, like, it's sort of like a gift. It's a, It's a gift for her too.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah. I love it, I love it, I love it. Okay, number three, I'm going old school. I'm going Goodnight Moon man.

[Kim Holderness]

That Goodnight Moon. Okay, when you publish a book, the only people who check this list on Amazon are the people who publish books. So they'll put out a, like a top Amazon, like a top 100 books thing. And you know, you just, you watch where your book is on that, that list for the first couple weeks after it's published. Right, but it's all books, right? It's like it's all books. Goodnight Moon, man, is always on that list, man. Get some of that Goodnight Moon money.

[Penn Holderness]

It's like the Bible. Then Goodnight Moon and then anything about.

[Kim Holderness]

Vampires and then anything about Taylor Swift.

[Penn Holderness]

And then anything about courts of beds and thorns. Thorns.

[Kim Holderness]

And then maybe. And then Brown Bear and then. Oh, and then Brown Bear and then maybe adhd.

[Penn Holderness]

That was so far down, like we could never touch Goodnight Moon.

[Kim Holderness]

We made the New York Times bestseller list three, almost four weeks in a row. But man, never Beat it. Good night.

[Penn Holderness]

Forget about it.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, next.

[Penn Holderness]

Number two. Mo Willems wrote a book called Nuffle Bunny, which is essentially about a child losing their ish because they can't find their. Their lovey.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And it just hit. It hit home. Like, it's about the parents and all they have to do to try to find this missing thing. And so our kids loved it. It. Because I think it shows. A, like, we get you. There's this thing that you love, and we're gonna tell a story about it. B, I hope they like the fact that their parents go through unbelievable depths to try to find this thing for them, to the point that they're, like, going almost insane themselves. And so, yeah, it just. It. It struck a chord to me.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

And our kids would keep reading, and every time they read it, I'm like.

[Kim Holderness]

It was.

[Penn Holderness]

Maybe. Maybe the kid just could have hung onto the damn.

[Kim Holderness]

No, it was Mo Willems and just the art behind it. Yeah, it was great. Okay. Number one. You and I are unified.

[Penn Holderness]

Number one is a book called Pete and Pickles. I don't know how many times my kids requested it, but I know that I requested it more maybe than they did, because by the time that book is over, I'm crying most of the time.

[Kim Holderness]

It's by Berkeley. Breathtaking.

[Penn Holderness]

Berkeley Breathed. Barely breathed.

[Kim Holderness]

Pete and Pickles is a. Berkeley Breathed. Breathed. And it's not a. Your aunt and uncle gave it to us.

[Penn Holderness]

Yes.

[Kim Holderness]

And we had never heard of it before, but if you have friends who have a new Bibi. We loved Pete and Pickles.

[Penn Holderness]

It's about a pig and an elephant, and I think they work at a circus.

[Kim Holderness]

Pete is a perfectly predictable, practical, uncomplicated pig. At least he was before a runaway circus elephant named Pickle stampeded into his life needing a friend. And it was just the sweetest. Yeah. We cried every time we read it. We love it. Never. 10 out of 10. I honestly. I'm gonna go find it and read it as soon as we're hanging up here.

[Penn Holderness]

I don't know if I can handle that kind of mental anguish today. It is a beautiful.

[Kim Holderness]

Honestly, I can't.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Because everything makes me cry now.

[Penn Holderness]

Oh, yeah. Were there.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, we were on the school website where she's. And they have all these videos of, like, what to expect. And they had all these move in videos. Like, what. How to, like, move in. And it was very, like, upbeat. Everybody's cheering, and she's watching it, and she's smiling, and I'm behind her. I'm like. I she can't turn around right now. Like, this is like. Yeah. I'm like, this is great. I'm so excited. I'm gonna go get some coffee. Yeah. Everything is just making me cry right now. It's okay.

[Penn Holderness]

Isn't that. I think you're probably handling it this better than me then I'm just pushing my feelings deep down.

[Kim Holderness]

What I've heard from friends is the, the lead up to it is probably worse than like, you get there and you're so. You've spent so much time stressing about it, then by the time you get there, you're like, okay, I'm ready for it. You're just like. And then you're good.

[Penn Holderness]

There's probably two different types of people, right. There's the people who process it that way and there's the people who bury it beneath layers of denial. And then when it actually happens, they. They cry for four days. And I'm afraid that might be me.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Penn Holderness]

But also, I don't know, I'm. It's every time I want to be sad, I look at her and she's just so damn happy. I know she's, you know, obviously I think the main thing she's happy about is that this process has come to a conclusion and, and there's got to be some relief there, right?

[Kim Holderness]

I. I feel like it. She. I will say this. She is and continues to be a very locked in, button up student. So I don't have perspective from. As a parent who had to kind of pull their kid through high school because that was not our experience at all. So in that way, I feel very, very, very lucky. But for her, she put a lot of pressure on herself to. She sacrificed a lot. You know, she would go out with friends, maybe Friday, maybe go to a football game. But at a lot of football games, she skipped to go like to play tennis and study. And there was always one full day a week and evening, like a Saturday where she just studied.

[Penn Holderness]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

And then Sunday she volunteered all day and. Because she loved it. She was. I mean, not. I mean it was not all because of this college. She's still doing it. I mean, she's still volunteering a ton and she's already into college, so. So she gave up a lot of traditional height and we worried. We worried. Hey, are you kind of missing out? So once that decision came, it was just like the relief of like four years of having like a flexed muscle.

[Penn Holderness]

I thought that was like a, like you were doing like a clincher butthole or something.

[Kim Holderness]

You just open it up and just the feces falls right out.

[Penn Holderness]

You know, this feels like a good.

[Kim Holderness]

Stopping point, you know, just like a good bm. Oh, your mind always said bm.

[Penn Holderness]

I know. It's the best.

[Kim Holderness]

Every time I say bm, I think of your mom because I just think it's like such a sweet, sweet way to reference it is she is the.

[Penn Holderness]

Only person who ever used it. And it's wonderful. It's a great word, especially if you kind of hold it back. And then once a year you're like, oh, did you have a bm?

[Kim Holderness]

It's just every time, every time, every time. Cause you know, everybody farts.

[Penn Holderness]

We're good.

[Kim Holderness]

You don't want to talk anything?

[Penn Holderness]

No, we're good. Let's. You know what, let's go outside and enjoy the snow for a few closing moments, and then we'll get ready for our pitch meeting where we try to convince people that we know what we're talking about.

[Kim Holderness]

An hour.

[Penn Holderness]

You guys should probably eat something.

[Kim Holderness]

Should probably put a bra on.

[Penn Holderness]

Let's eat, shower, put a bra on. I'm gonna have a bm. And then we're gonna come back here and we're gonna pitch this thing. We love you guys.

[Kim Holderness]

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