Parents Weekend & Getting Bursitis

Summary

Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness

Episode: Parents Weekend & Getting Bursitis
Date: October 7, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this spirited and relatable episode, Kim and Penn explore the realities and laughs of aging—everything from painful hips and “old lady injuries” to the emotional marathon of parents weekend after sending their daughter to college. The Holdernesses candidly share their evolving wellness journeys, strategies for feeling strong as they approach milestone birthdays, and their ongoing attempts to keep up with Gen Z slang ("6, 7"). They are joined by listener call-ins that are as hilarious as they are heartfelt, making this episode both therapeutic and truly laugh-worthy for anyone in midlife—with or without kids flying from (or circling) the nest.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Listener Voicemail: Reluctant Convert to Podcasts

• [06:38] Susie from Virginia, a self-proclaimed technophobe, shares how Kim and Penn's college drop-off episode converted her into their “number one podcast fan.”
  • "I am now your number one podcast fan. I am binging all of them. You guys are amazing. I'm laughing, I'm crying, I'm taking notes on medical issues. I have been won over to the laugh lines podcast, but only the laugh lines podcast." — Susie, [07:14]
• Kim and Penn celebrate Susie’s honesty and the sense of community among listeners who “know exactly what they want and do not want.”

2. Kim’s “Road to 50”: Health and Bursitis

• Kim reveals she’s currently podcasting with ice packs stuffed in her leggings due to being diagnosed with bursitis after running three miles:
  • “I have never—my hips for two weeks. So I've been diagnosed with bursitis. Is that not just the most old lady injury you've ever heard?” — Kim, [09:26]
• Penn reassures Kim: bursitis affects athletes, too, not just “old ladies.”
  • Talk about how their bodies can handle more than they expect; inspiration from Dax Shepard’s fitness journey.

Kim’s Road to 50 Goals:

• Reading: 35 of 50 books before her 50th birthday ([11:28])
• Fitness: Aiming for an unassisted pull-up, using a ChatGPT-generated plan ([12:14])
  • "Dear computer overlord, I would like to... Give me a six month, you know, weight training plan to be able to nail the unassisted pull up." — Kim, [12:21]
• Movement: Walking 10,000 steps/day (until bursitis struck)
• Discussion about the challenges and science of building strength later in life.

3. Alcohol and Coping

• Kim opens up about her evolving relationship with alcohol, especially during emotionally taxing times like her daughter going to college:
  • “For me, I was like, drinking two glasses of wine every night...I just decided I needed to see if I could not. And I've stopped drinking.” — Kim, [24:02]
• Penn assures Kim she’s still “fun” and they discuss social dynamics of not drinking.
• Open, honest acknowledgement of how coping with big feelings (empty nest, change, stress) can manifest in adult habits—the slippery slope of drinking for self-medication.

4. Parents Weekend at College: Emotional Highs and Lows

• Kim and Penn describe their eager anticipation and poignant emotions seeing Lola for the first time post-drop off.

  • "My soul was healed for two whole days because I had all of my people under one roof. It was the best." — Kim, [28:34]

• Humor about over-planning Parents Weekend travel logistics (“I went on Verbo... I booked it for move in and I booked it for parents weekend.” — Kim, [37:13])

• They reflect on how seeing their daughter surrounded by supportive friends lightened their worries:

  • “She is loving the independence... I was just—it made my mommy heart so proud.” — Kim, [34:18]

• Importance of setting realistic expectations for the college transition and validating all feelings—not just happiness.

  • "Gretchen Rubin...said, 'It's okay if they're not happy.' That doesn't like, if you're not happy and she's not happy, that's not a disaster." — Penn, [35:27]

  Memorable Quote:

  "The struggle is what makes you a person. And it's already really...she's loving the independence of solving her problems by herself." — Kim, [34:02-34:18]

5. The Social Dynamics of Parents Weekend

• Hosting Lola’s new friends and their parents at an Airbnb, including a “rager” that ended by 9pm ([39:46]).
• Cultural contrast between parents of sons and daughters at college gatherings.
• The difference between first-time and second-time (or last-time) parents—anticipating changes with their son, PC.

6. Gen Z Slang of the Week: “6, 7”

• Explaining the viral, nearly meaningless meme “6, 7” that’s infiltrated kids’ vocabulary ([48:25]).
  • "There is literally no circumstance where a kid might not say 6, 7. So all of this to say, 6, 7 is just a reference to a meme...it just doesn't mean anything." — Mr. Lindsay, [49:02]
• Strategies for parents/teachers to intentionally “kill the vibe” of a meme by adopting kids’ lingo themselves.

7. Perimenopause Brain Farts and Word Mishaps

• Listeners share hilarious memory lapses (calling a tornado a “twirly wind,” clipboard as “that board with a clip on it,” scapegoat becomes “blame donkey”). Kim feels validated and less alone.
  • “Marie said instead of saying, don't make me your scapegoat, I said, don't make me your blame donkey. I think I'm gonna use that.” — Kim, [52:43]
• Universality of midlife memory glitches, and the comedy in living through perimenopause.

8. Not Sponsored: Toe Spacers for Brain and Balance Health

• Penn’s latest wellness discovery: toe spacers aid balance and brain health as we age ([56:44]).
  • “Wearing spacers helps to preserve proprioceptors...nerve endings in the brain responsible for our sense of balance and coordination.” — Penn, [58:49]
  • Kim tries them after learning “Taylor Swift did it.”
• The lighthearted competition over Wikifeet ratings (Penn > Kim, much to Kim’s chagrin).

9. Three Piece Nuggets (Penn’s Takeaways)

• (1) Perimenopause and word loss is universal—and hilarious.
• (2) “6, 7” means nothing—join in to kill the cool factor.
• (3) Don’t wear ice packs directly for a full hour (15–20 mins max)!
  • “Let me change my third nugget from ice packs can be worn for a podcast, but they shouldn’t be.” — Penn, [62:47]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Kim: “When you see your kid with their people, like, she's already found people... She's already stronger and more capable than she was six weeks ago.” [31:24]
• Penn: “Your genetic code is built to withstand more than you are giving your body right now. That's my motivation.” [14:06]
• Penn (on Kim’s journey): “You can do anything. Punched in... Great research. He took some information from Christmas Jammies there.” — after a listener lists Kim’s achievements [21:01]
• Listener Paula: “I thought it said gobble wrinkles... referring to double chins as we get older.” [54:45]
• Kim: “I see you. I don't remember you, but I see you.” [61:23]

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Fun Segments and Community Interaction

• Listener Call-ins: Hilarious and emotional voicemails on podcast skepticism, kids leaving home, misheard lyric moments.
• Gen Z Slang Explainer: “6, 7” meme breakdown, with performer/interview from @mrphiliplindsay.
• Perimenopause Word Fails: Multiple listener submissions validating Kim’s “brain farts.”
• Not Sponsored: Toe spacers, appealing to both the brain and (randomly) Taylor Swift fandom.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro/Listener Susie: [06:38-08:35]
• Kim’s Wellness Update & Bursitis: [08:35-16:13]
• Alcohol, Coping, and Social Dynamics: [23:01-27:59]
• Parents Weekend & Family Emotions: [28:15-37:29]
• Gen Z Slang (“6, 7”): [48:25-50:55]
• Perimenopause Brain Farts: [51:59-54:45]
• Not Sponsored: Toe Spacers: [56:44-59:31]
• Three Piece Nuggets: [60:44-63:32]

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The Spirit of the Episode

The Holdernesses’ blend of heartfelt vulnerability and quick wit makes this episode shine. From tearful parents to “blame donkey” gaffes, their banter encourages listeners not to take aging or change too seriously—and to always find the humor, even sitting on ice packs.

Summary for New Listeners:
If you’re getting older, miss your kid (or think you might), trying to be stronger, letting go of old habits, or just wondering what 6, 7 means, this episode will make you laugh, nod along, and maybe send a text to someone you love—about pull-ups, bursitis, or your favorite gobble wrinkles.

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Mommy, where's the story of me?

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I was like in my head with a smile.

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This happening in your household? Our kids are saying six, seven.

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I didn't let her go because I didn't want her to like her to see me cry. But I only cried that I only cried once.

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Paula said when you started the laugh lines with the jingle at the beginning, I thought it said gobble wrinkles. Yeah, we get older every day. Gobble wrinkles.

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That's okay.

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Yeah, we're laughing.

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When we age, life is like a.

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Comedy stage and that's why we got laugh lines.

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Hi friends. I'm Kim Holderness.

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And I'm Ben Holderness. You are watching laugh lines and we are so glad that you're here. Thank you for joining us.

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And you might be listening to us on a traditional truth. That's true. I just want to say if the only apps that you had when you were a teen were off of the TGI Fridays menu, you're home. Oh, remember it was TJ Fridays had the spinach dip, right?

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They did Applebee's. Like, that was my first experience with mozzarella sticks. Then Bennegan had the Bennet.

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Do you fancy? Like that's where we went after church, like on like big fancy days. Ben was they had a club sandwich and a Monte Cristo and. But let me tell you, a mozzarella stick, I can house a platter of those. And then somebody was like, you know, you're eating actual mozzarella sticks. And it's as if I had like opened up a package of cheese sticks, eaten 12 of them fried.

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So you didn't pick up on that.

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Until somebody know I was like, oh, I thought they were worse than they're.

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Fried, covered in oil and gluten.

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Sometimes, like, I would even say back in the day, would have those as a meal with a margarita and. And feel good the next day and feel fine the next day. I would have to be hospitalized at this point.

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Anyway, yeah, cheese makes me really bloaty and farty now.

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Okay, Fun show for you today.

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I'm very excited for the world to see this and we'll be talking a lot more about it. Thank you for your patience. And before we get to the show, I think it's time to go to the Laugh Line.

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Call us up and you tell us what's on your mind.

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Hi, this is Susie from Virginia. I was born in 1966. As such, I hate technology and I really hate podcasts. I've tried so many and I cannot.

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Understand why people will just sit and.

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Listen to people talk.

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Hey, pause. Thank you forever. Is this going somewhere? I love it. No, I love Susie. Reminds me of all of my friends. Like, who they can be really salty. But we've started with. I don't Listen to podcasts. Why would anyone want to sit here? If you're listening to us now, you are listening to a podcast, so I can't wait to. Yeah, let's see where Susie's going.

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With that being said, I was recently shattered by dropping off our youngest child at college. And so I thought I would give your college drop off podcast a try. I am now your number one podcast fan. I am binging all of them. You guys are amazing. I'm laughing, I'm crying, I'm taking notes on medical issues. I have been won over to the laugh lines podcast, but only the last podcast. So thank you so much for making my days a little bit brighter. And I am now convinced that if we live next door, we would be best friends forever. Love you both. Thank you. A lot of my friends are like, Susie, I am attracted to that personality that knows definitively what they want out of life and what they do not want. And they do not want podcasts they do not like. I love a friend who could just be like, no, I'm not doing that. That sounds awful. And I just. I love that so much. But also, I feel like, pat on the back, we won Susie over.

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I. I am glad. I'm glad, Susie. I'm glad. And the podcast world is massive and wonderful. So if you do like us, there may be some other other ones that you would like.

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Susie, we are honored and we welcome you to the laugh lines community. And if I can give a little laugh lines update this. This podcast is meant to celebrate and kind of laugh at what happens as we age. And I want to let the viewing audience know that I am sitting here with ice packs on my hips. And I'm just going to describe it for our listeners. I'm a stand up for our YouTube audience. Pen, do you want to describe?

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Yeah. So she has these little pockets on the side of her tights, so it's not really hard to see. It looks like someone put iPads or Kindles in her legs or giant bricks. It's. It's a new look. It's. I mean, it might be the new hotness, but you did. You did come home complaining of some hip pain.

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If we're all in this together, let me just say I am on a journey of wellness. And I was feeling really good a couple weeks ago, two weeks ago, feeling good. And I was on my daily walk and I said, you know what? I'm gonna run. And I ran three whole miles. Felt great, could have kept going, but instantly I was like, you know what? My hips Hurt my hip, my. My hips. I have never My hips for two weeks. So I've been diagnosed with bursitis. Is that not just the most old lady injury you've ever heard?

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I mean, you get it a lot from. From shoulders and pitchers, like, professional pitchers.

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Oh, okay. So not old lady, but.

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Well, I mean, that's when they're doing, like, substantial. Like, their job is to do this over and over again. So, yeah, you're gonna get some bursitis.

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But I ran one time.

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It's so funny. I was. The first time you said bursitis, I was like, oh, isn't that what you're injecting into your forehead? And then I forgot. No, that's botulism.

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Sorry. I do love some botulism.

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I mean, lots of ladies are using the botch.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then.

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Sorry, you know what? Yeah. And if you got botulism in your armpits, you wouldn't have such sweaty armpits.

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I've heard this, and thank you. I'm. I've been like, you know what? My sweaty armpits have gotten better since I started drinking lighter coffee and not having as much alcohol.

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Really?

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So that's like, yeah.

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Welcome to your 50s, folks.

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So back to your hips. Your hips don't lie.

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My. Like, something don't lie.

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Something's going on. Like, but you were on this. Like, you're getting this news as you were on a pretty. Pretty good, like, health kick streak. And this is not like a New Year's resolution streak. This is just a. You decided, okay, it's time to go. And I've been really impressed with your motivation, like, watching what you've been eating and what you've been doing and what you've been putting into your body for the last two or three weeks. You've been, like, leveling up.

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We used to have a segment called Kim's road to 50. Should we just do that now?

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Yeah.

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I had very, very specific goals for how I was going to show up on the door step to 50. Right. And some of them totally killing from the start. I was going to read 50 books. So by next March, I was going to read 50 books. I'm on book 35 right now. So killing it. Have loved it. I am listening to one book while I'm reading another book at night. I'm doing two at a time, guys. It's killing that. Walking 10,000 steps a day up until my bursitis, killing that as well. And now I'm, like, icing and resting something. I'm sucking at is my goal was to do an unassisted pull up by the time I was 50 and it is not going well.

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But you, like, this is another thing that I noticed, right? You like printed a thing out.

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Yeah. Okay. I went on chat GPT.

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Yeah.

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And I said, dear computer overlord, I would like to. I'm 49 and I'm turning 50 in six months. I have. I am weak. I am not a strong person. Give me a six month, you know, weight training plan to be able to nail the unassisted pull up.

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Enter, enter. One second later.

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Daily plan for six months.

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Yeah.

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I immediately went to the gym and I was like, just. I've been so dialed in and this has been a whole two weeks, y'. All. But I do feel a little bit strong. Stronger. But I am so far from being able to do an assisted pull up.

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So understandable that you feel that way.

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It's science.

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So you are training new muscles in your body. And this is something that Dax Shepard, if, like Susie, you might like Dax Shepard just. I'm like, I'm just going to mention podcasts as we go, go along here and listen to podcasts. He talks a ton about just his obsession with, like, a lot of the same stuff, his sort of journey. And one of the things he learned from like a professional bodybuilder is that your body can handle a lot more than you think and that it responds to like, your bones, every part of your body responds to, like, challenging it and trying to push the limits. That's. That's the way our bodies were built and meant to be built. And a lot of times it's just fear that you're going to get hurt or just like the knowledge that you can't do it. But knowing that genetically your body, like, wants to be stronger.

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Yeah.

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Because every species before us was like a huge ape or gorilla that could like, lift a car. And we've just gotten so smart that we have, like, things.

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We have devices that would lift a car for us.

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But your, your genetic, like, this is for anyone who's listening. Your genetic code is built to withstand more than you are giving your body right now. That's my motivation.

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No, I. And I, I. In the last two weeks, I've really taken that to heart. And I am, because I want to. If I fall down When I'm 90, I want to be able to push myself back up. Right. I want to be able to open a jar of pickles when I'm really like, I want to be one of those old ladies that they show on TikTok like a 20 year old's like, oh, look at this old lady, she's still dancing. Like I want to be the old lady who's still dancing.

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Which you're doing.

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Which I'm doing. And I'm actually like taking dance classes so but it is shocking. So I'm doing, you know how at the gym they have those machines where you can put like an assisted right like you can add weight and right now I still need about half my body weight and assistance to do like eight pull ups.

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You're closer than you think.

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I love this motivation. I love your belief in me.

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But like once you get to just doing one pull up, like a couple of things are going to take over. You're going to that muscle memory and like working, you know, working on doing that lat pull up, it's going to be there but also it's just one and so your endorphins and your adrenaline is going to take over. I bet right now if I was like there's a, you know, there's a drowning baby at the top of this bar. You just have to pull yourself up. Like you could probably right.

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Adrenaline I would hope would kick in. But I have to play those games with myself to be able to do stuff.

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Like I do that when I work out all the time.

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You do.

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I put my, like I put my mind in peril.

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I have to say when I'm running I have to like pretend that I'm running after something because other than that, like why would we run? My son did give me some advice. He said that I should be tracking this on social media that I should be showing like day one of me trying to do a pull up and stuff like that. So if you guys would like to see some stories of my journey or videos of my journey, just let me know in the comments. And if you'd like to go along with me, I will share my ChatGPT plan. Although you could enter it yourself, it.

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Does help when you get some encouragement, outer encouragement. And by that I mean like not from your husband, I don't know what it is but like getting encouragement from your spouse doesn't mean as much as someone that you know. Right.

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I don't know why.

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Kim is the champion by Queen because.

[B]

How is she not the champion?

[A]

Natural childbirth, punched in the face and triathlon.

[B]

And it just works. Okay, it just works. What do you think he means by that?

[A]

No, he means that I'm amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, Chris.

[B]

So there you go. Like you can do anything punched in. Like, by the way, great research. He took some information from Christmas Jammies there.

[A]

Christmas jammies. I should explain. So when we did a Half Iron man, which is a big deal, I was punching in, punched in the face during the swim because it's very chaotic because you're running in. And we swam 1.2 miles in the open water and somebody was backstroking very violently. Like I thought there were maybe drowning and hit me across the temple. And I did the race, but so I got out of the water, I got on the bike and I was at mile like 13 of the 56 mile bike ride before I like regained. Like, I blacked out, but somehow got on the bike and my. I finished the race, but my pupils were like different sizes. I had like a bad concussion and I was, I. It was really. Maybe that's why I am the way I am. I had a bad concussion. Did you. Did you have a really bad bruise like there? What no.

[B]

So she didn't remember parts of the race I like.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I don't remember getting out of the water. I don't remember clipping. And you have to, like, clip into your shoes. You have to clip on the bike. And I. Mile 13. I'm like, how the hell did I get on this bike? That's terrifying. It was. Yeah. I had to go to, like, the medical tent. It was crazy.

[B]

It was interesting, though. Like, I've always wanted to talk about this because, like, you. After the race, you were okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You didn't have, like, any lingering headaches? You didn't have to, like.

[A]

I did.

[B]

Well, no. We went out that night.

[A]

Yeah. But do you know that I. I think I was still on adrenaline? I went to the medical tent right after that night. Yes, we did. We had, like, a celebration planned. And then for the next week, I. For the next week, I was. And. And I taken to the bed in a dark room.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't remember that part. But, yeah, it was. It was amazing that you kept going. I didn't know if that was, like, an anxiety reaction or something instead of, like, a physical one. I don't know, like a dissociation. But at any rate, you finished the race, which was amazing.

[A]

And. And never did it again.

[B]

Never did it again.

[A]

And obviously can't even run three miles right now because I have ice packs on my hips. Can I tell you something else that I didn't even intend to do on this wellness journey I'm on? And it. I just sort of decided one day, I decided I was drinking way too much. And I. Normally, I wouldn't drink during the week. I'd have a glass of wine on Friday, maybe a glass of wine on Saturday, maybe two glasses of wine in the week. And that was. It was fine. It wasn't amazing. I didn't sleep great. But I love a glass of wine before dropping off Lola. And then the week after dropping Lola off at school, because it was. I was more traumatic than I realized. I was drinking a lot. And I. For me. For me, I was, like, drinking two glasses of wine every night for. And so for me, that's a lot. And I was getting to. I was starting to crave it at, like, dinner time, lunchtime.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yep.

[A]

And I wasn't doing it, but I would have if it was offered. And I just decided. I, first of all, totally understand how that's such a slippery slope.

[B]

Yeah. And switch.

[A]

It's a switch. And zero. Like, I totally understand how that happens inside someone. And I decided I just needed to see if I could not. And I've stopped drinking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if it's forever. I, I, but I've just decided that I've stopped and it's been like 25 days or something like that.

[B]

I am not a doctor, but, or a psychologist or an expert in any of this. I like, like alcohol. If you look at my family tree.

[A]

It'S, it's in there.

[B]

It's in there. But I think a couple really cool things I want to mention. Like, number one, I think you realized that you weren't drinking it as much socially as you were as a way to medicate.

[A]

Right.

[B]

As a way to like, cope with.

[A]

Anxiety, which then it would cause more anxiety. Yeah.

[B]

You don't know that when you're drinking it, it's like, oh, right now this is making.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Things better for me. So that's really cool. Also, I just want to tell you, like, you, you know, like, I, again, I've cut down it a lot, but I haven't completely stopped. So socially, like, you know, we go out and I have a beer or something and you're not, you're still. I hope you're having fun because you seem fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I always really need to tell, like, my friends who've decided that they're going to stop drinking, like, you're still really fun because that's a concern that, like a real concern that people have, like, socially.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're still like a lot of fun and seem to be doing very well on that side.

[A]

I think that that used to be a concern of mine was what people would think socially, which seems so stupid to say out loud, like, why, why is it anyone else's problem? But truly socially, I mean, we went to the beach with some friends for a weekend and we were all sort of just the three. Not, not you, but like the, the, the, the three of us sort of decided, like we kind of revealed to each other, like, I'm not really drinking right now. And the three of us, we weren't. And so we didn't really.

[B]

Yeah. And I also didn't, didn't do much of it either because I don't want to be the only person like, hey, guys.

[A]

So it was, but it was like, why do we feel bad about admitting this to other people? So after that I just decided I can't care what anybody else thinks. And, and zero people would judge me for it. Zero. Zero people are going to peer pressure me. Nobody really cares. Yeah. But I. But in my head in the beginning, you know, immediately we had all these social things to go to. Nobody cares. Yeah, nobody cares.

[B]

Well, I mean the more, the more guys weekends I go to, the more kind of group events I go to, the more I'm seeing people like taking control of their brain health and just cutting down.

[A]

I would be interested for you to track. You had a big month. We dropped off Lola. You had a guy's trip. You had this other trip. Like how much you actually are drinking.

[B]

Meme. Yeah, I keep track. I do. I like, it's, it's. Let's put it this way, it's way less than it used to be. And, and like the main thing is like I used to. I would go out with my buddies and I would have four, five. Right now it's just like a straight up governor on like one or two. And I, and I do zebra striping, which is where you have like an N. A before and then maybe a beer, then another na and then it's just not as much. But like. Yeah, I got, I was given sort of a governor amount that I shouldn't exceed in a week. And I'm staying pretty true to that.

[A]

What was that amount?

[B]

Four, Like a total of four a week. That was. They're like, that's a good, healthy. And then like, ideally you get down to two and then like, if you want to, you get down to zero.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, when it comes to brain health, I can, I mean, listen, I'm not going to now sit here because I've not had a drink in 25 days and tell you that you can't drink. But it just, it is interesting.

[B]

Yeah. I mean like, is, are you noticing? Why did you like, did you ask that question? Like, is there.

[A]

No. I just now notice when other people are drinking.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because I'm not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm just, I'm in hyper awareness mode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I definitely went over like my weekly amount at. It was so wild. At Lola's parents weekend.

[A]

We have to talk about parents weekend.

[B]

Getting a chance to go see her.

[A]

Yeah, we got to see our Lola. That is the biggest life update. I can't believe we waited this long in the episode to talk about this. I can't believe we were talking about a pull up and not about how my soul was healed for two whole days because I had all of my people under one roof. It was the best.

[B]

We made a video about this. It's really funny. A couple of weeks ago and it did very well. And it's Interesting, because I'm like, are that many people going through this? And the answer is in our group, yes. There's a lot of people who watch our videos who are dealing with this college drop off. And it's a very unique emotion. Right. As is Parents Weekend. Because Parents weekend is your first chance for most people to go and check in and see like, has this person transformed into a college person?

[A]

Should we play that video? It's, it's like just to set it up if you're listening and not watching. It's this format we do when it's like my wife. So it's Pen impersonating me on my way to Parents Weekend and I'm packed for Parents Weekend.

[B]

I know I packed five days early, but hear me out. What if instead of Friday we went on Thursday, we get in Thursday, we take our friends out to dinner? Oh, actually no. We get in Wednesday, get a lay of the land and take a. We get in Tuesday, we rent a car. Lay of the land, we go today, we look at real estate. Listen, leaving five days early is not about me. This whole trip is about what she wants. And what she wants is for me to leave right now.

[A]

We posted that and then immediately took off for Parents Weekend. And a lot of moms specifically came up to us saying how they had watched it like that day. And it was so easy to film because it was, all of it was based in truth. We got in town early. I, I literally tracked her location to her class. I got permission from her, by the way, because I was going to meet her outside her class between classes to get a hug. Like a hundred percent of this was true. All of it was true.

[B]

Tell me some of the things that you were feeling when you saw Lola for the first time.

[A]

I don't want to cry. Don't feel my feelings. Stuff them down or not.

[B]

Like, let's. I think this is the place where you don't know.

[A]

No, I, you know, I've never wanted her to feel responsible for my feelings. So I gave her a hug and like, I didn't let her like, go because I didn't want her to like her to see me cry. But I only cried that I only cried once. But she's so happy and what they say is true. Like when you see your kid with their people, like, she's already found people, you know, she's already found people who've truly love her. And we got to meet them and then we got to meet their parents. Like the parents who made the people who love my kid and so it was. It was so wonderful. And it's exactly what she wants. And, you know, listen, she's not been free of really hard days, but already I can see the fact that she's had to get through those hard days by herself. And I mean, with the support of the community she's built. But she's had to get through Mommy and Daddy can't jump in and fix it for you. She's already stronger and more capable than she was six weeks ago.

[B]

Okay, so those tears are tears of joy that you're feeling right now?

[A]

Well, it's the. It's the both and. Right. It's the. It's what I feel. Which is grief, again, is too strong of a word. It's like I miss her. But then it's. It's both. Right, it's both. It's, you know, it's. It's seeing her. It is seeing her struggle and get through it. You know, and those are hard days when you get a phone call that things aren't going 100%.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're not all the time, but they happen. That's life. But I. I have had enough therapy to know that the struggle is what.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Makes you a person. And so. And it's already really. And she's loving. You know, I. I sat down and we took her out to dinner. I went. I wanted just face to face dinner with just her because we were going to be able to meet her friends and take her friends out. I flew in early to do this and I had. I wrote a whole page of questions to ask her that weren't like, how are your classes? What's your favorite class? Who's. Like all those generic questions. I sort of ask her during the week. I had, I had questions and she actually loved it. I think maybe I'll print. Maybe I'll write those down and share those. Because she loved it. It took the whole D dinner.

[B]

Yeah. We picked a restaurant or I was in charge of the restaurant. Here's a tip for people, if you're gonna. The first time you see your daughter from college, pick a restaurant where there's like a lot of reservations. Don't pick like a trendy restaurant. Open Table now has like a noise rating for these restaurants. And I found this restaurant, great restaurant. But there were like two tables to.

[A]

The point where I. It was only. It was a little disturbing. I could actually hear their entire conversation because it was so quiet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But this opened.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That is. I think that's going to be my not sponsored open Table by noise, because Mommy can't handle the noise anymore.

[B]

Or if it doesn't have a noise rating, just find one that has. Like, when you look for openings, it's just like, every possible time. I was like, this is where we're going.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At first I was like, let's go somewhere trendy. No, not for the first. Not for your first dinner back, especially if you're being interviewed by Mom.

[A]

But she loved it because they were fun questions. And one of the questions was, what are you loving that you weren't expecting to love? I mean, we all knew she was going to love to be able to go out and party, and, you know, she was going to love to get to new, new friends. She is loving. She actually. She is loving the independence of solving her problems by herself. Down to. She has this, you know, raised dorm bed. She had to, like, wash the bedding and her do vay cover and, like, how hard that is to do by yourself. And she just got a sense of accomplishment of having to figure out how to make her raised bed, you know, changing the sheets on that. Like, she's like, I love that I was able to do that. And so I was just. It made my mommy hurt so proud.

[B]

Yeah. I had. I had one question. I didn't prepare it. We have different interviewing styles and preparation styles when it comes to things. But my one question was, I want you to think of the numbers 1 to 10 and 5 being how happy you expected you would be in college. And, like, give me your number. Like, I'm like, four is okay, three is okay. My first semester, I was away three. And I was. I was three at best. I think I had fun moments, but, like, baseline, Like, I would wake up after going out, or I would be in class and I'd feel like, man, I miss. Yeah, I miss home. And Lola's answer was. She's like, I think I'm a solid. Not that it's gonna stay this way. She's like, I think I'm a solid eight right now. And that made me so happy. And I'm like, that's all I wanted to hear. Then so celebrated that. Glad she's doing well. Then I thought about this thing that Gretchen said. Gretchen Rubin, who was on with us a few weeks ago, which is. I know people say all the time, my feelings don't really matter as long as she's happy. She's like, don't forget, it's okay if they're not happy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you've got it. Like, you. Like, this struggle is going to happen. And it's okay if they're not happy. That doesn't like, if you're not happy and she's not happy, that's not a disaster. So I'm trying not to put too much stock in the fact that she's happy. Even though it's great seeing her happy. But that was like a new little nugget that I learned.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And I'm trying to stay true to. So. But we're allowed to be happy that she's happy. I guess my point is that, like, you're right. Those are two different emotions.

[A]

Those are two different. And we have had the phone calls on not happy days. I. I will say I do feel very lucky because, listen. And I think we also did a good job of setting her up. Of. I told her my first semester. You told her the same thing. My first semester of college. I struggled. I was homesick. Taking showers with flip flops. Are you kidding me? I just was so uncomfortable the whole time. The food was gross. But you get used to it. I think we sort of set her up saying, do your best. You may not love it right away, but hang in there. And so maybe just because we lowered expectations so severely, I think it's truly unfair to say these are going to be the best four years of your life.

[B]

Yeah. Let them say that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Them figure that out and say that in a few years instead of us saying that.

[A]

Anyway, friends, that was hard. I went more than a month without seeing my daughter. I was unwell.

[B]

Another just thing I want to throw out there for people who haven't done this yet. So I, I told you that, like, I had more alcohol on this trip than normal. Here's why. So we, we. And. And again, outlier. We had this Airbnb, that type A Johnson over here.

[A]

That's me.

[B]

Booked. The day that Lola got into college.

[A]

For parents Weekend, I looked up Parents Weekend. I went to where the dorms are typically for freshmen. I got. I went on Verbo and I searched within a radius so I could be in walking distance. Sam right now is like dying within walking distance of her dorm. I booked it for move in and I booked it for parents Weekend. Judge all you want. I was within walking distance of her dorm.

[B]

And I think a lot of, like, a lot of the other parents were kind of scattered. Availability is always awful for parents Weekend. So we had this and it was big enough so that PC could come and our, like, some of our family members could come. But Kim's idea was like, I've got This thing. There's a living room. Lola, do you want to invite some of your new friends and their parents to come up? Because, you know, they're these events on Parents Weekend, but they're always kind of big.

[A]

There's big and they're tens and it's. It's great. It's great, right?

[B]

And so this was a way to get to know some of the. These girls and boys. She invited boys and all their parents. So all the parents were great. All the parents are great. The boys, parents. I don't know what it was.

[A]

We don't hang around with a lot of boys parents.

[B]

But they, they. They took this as a while I'm back in college now. They were drinking. They. They rolled in with, like, bottles of wine and champagne. They have. I'm not going to give them a wait, but they have nicknames now for each other, and so I got a little caught up in that, and it felt great.

[A]

By the way, I did clear it with the VRBO host that we have about 30 people over and it's approved, of course.

[B]

Another Type A.

[A]

Another Type A. I just wanted to make sure were. But I will say the difference. I think Lola's our first. And we. I've made dear, dear friends with her friends, moms and dads. Right. So that's like a really good friend group we have. I do love the parents of PC's friends, but he doesn't do the sleepovers and all this. And, like, it's just. He has good friends, so. But we're just not, like. We just don't get together in the same way with his friend's parents. One of the boy dads ran in with, like, bottles of champagne, like. Like several in each hand, like at a light jog. And he's like, yeah. And I was like, okay. Vibe of the party has changed.

[B]

Yeah. There was, like, an old school. The movie old school kind of vibe going.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like a Frank the Tank kind of.

[A]

Vibe as we were hosting. It was very. It was very responsible. And then everybody left.

[B]

Well, it's a good sign for a party when people cancel their plans to stay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you threw. You threw a rager. Good job.

[A]

They ended at seven.

[B]

No, it ended at, like, nine.

[A]

For a couple people.

[B]

Yeah. They stayed like, that's a rager for us. A rager ends at nine for us. Do you think you guys are gonna.

[A]

Have a different reaction when PC's out of the house? Because this could just be. You still have a kid at home, Right? You're right. These are empty. They were all empty nesters. Yeah, they were all empty. I think this might be you. When?

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

Yeah, because right now, I'll be honest, I don't drink and meet and Lola is a rule follower and all that stuff, so. In front of my daughter. Well, I'm not drinking right now anyway. But before this, I would have a glass of wine at dinner, but I'm not going to. I never got smashed, but I certainly wasn't gonna ever do that in front of my. I just. I don't wanna do that in front of my kids. I'd never want to. I haven't.

[B]

You mean lose control, right? Yeah.

[A]

Or seem like I'm losing control. I mean, they've seen me have a lot of fun, but they've never seen me drunk. Although, I mean, I can't remember the last time I was like, drunk drunk, but it's not around my kids. But think how you're going to feel when PC is 18, when he's gone.

[B]

First of all, we're leaving. Like, that's. We're not coming home. This. And a lot of parents. My parents did this. Like, the tip is don't come home to the house. Like, drop him off, get on a plane, go to Iceland. Go.

[A]

Like the distraction.

[B]

And go. Yeah. So that we couldn't do that when you already have kids here. But I'm already looking forward to that. That's what I think.

[A]

I think you were not.

[B]

You were like, like, I got PC.

[A]

To take care of. But when you're, let's say, family weekend, if whatever PC's doing, you might feel like, I'm gonna have a drink because.

[B]

I'm going home to an empty house. Yeah, that's a good. So that's a good point. Just for Kim. And this is like what I've noticed. Like your. What's happened with you and alcohol in the last three weeks has been your realization that, like, you were feeling really strong feelings and that that was like a short term solution to it, but not a long term solution. So it's really going to come down to, like, I don't. I don't know the answer to how you're going to be feeling right when we drop him off. Like, we haven't gotten to that.

[A]

No, but I do that. That is such a valid point. And I, I would also say by that point, maybe I think Lola's our first. So we have these really strict boundaries that might have melted by the time PC gets there.

[B]

So it's like taking me back to when we just. The way that we parented them. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The number of photos that we have of Lola as an infant and a toddler versus the number of photos that we have of our son is in proportionate. Does anyone else have this problem when you remember.

[A]

Well, they were all in the cell phones and stuff like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I just stopped taking photos. No, I just. I have a vivid memory of. PC was maybe home from the hospital for, like, two or three days, and I. I was getting out of the shower, and I had him, like, he was kind of, like, wrapped up in the thing, like, right in the bedroom sleeping. I was like, oh, crap. I don't think I've taken a picture of him at home yet. And it was just because you have a toddler who's potty training and you're like, wiping this button. You wipe that. But. And so I was like. I was sitting there in a towel with. I had to put a diaper on first in a towel, grabbed, like, the fancy camera. So I. I have those pictures that I'm like, oh. That was the time I realized I had not taken pictures of my son at home.

[B]

I mean, equally guilty. I was like, you just had a baby. I should have been the person in charge of this. And you really should have. And so there was. Let's see. For Lola's first birthday, we went on the. Every parent does this, right? You go on the. Whatever the website is, and they make a book. They make a book out of your pictures. And. And then there was. We had a book of Lola's pregnancy. Because there are a bunch of blogs that I had that I'd written. So we had that with, like. Well, a friend made that for us of, like, Lola's pregnancy. And then Lola's first. Happy birthday, Lola. Zell, here's your story about all the stuff that you did with, like, words. It's like a storybook. And so we, like, pull it out at some point. Like when Lola's. I don't know, six or seven. And PC's. I just said six or seven. I'm sorry, six, seven. We'll get to that in a second. But PC was three or four. And she looks at you and goes, where's mine, Nico? Mommy? Where's the story of me?

[A]

I was like, in my head.

[B]

He said it with a smile. And of course, like, that night, because you're you. You consolidated all of your. Remember? No, no, this was when you were like, we have to find his pictures. Because we couldn't find him. And we, like. We went to, like, nine different Google accounts and we finally like, we found.

[A]

Them when he was three or four.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Finally made his first, his book of his first year of life last year. And I made. But at right away I did his first year, his second year and I stopped doing it for Lola when she was around 4. So I feel like I just have to get them to four so they're even.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then I did her senior pictures. You know the photographer Prince of Fancy book. I'll do that for him. So be a 1, 2, 3, 4, 18 and anything in the middle. It was probably a little awkward anyway. You needed braces. So.

[B]

Yeah, don't get us wrong, we spend plenty of time with our, with our youngest child and we love him. The photographs were like that. Like we just, we got a little behind but. Good question, Sam. Like is the application drop off? Is that whole thing going to be different?

[A]

Of course, yeah.

[B]

Like the. So his, by the way, he's got his permit now, his driving experience. We're like not even halfway done. And while he's probably good while he's driving, I'm like checking my cell phone and like I think you're good. Like can we just cheat? Like 30 more hours of driving time.

[A]

We are not going to.

[B]

I know we're not.

[A]

But they're also different kids. They are also very different children. So it is, it is pretty wild. It's, I have to say, Lola, oldest daughter, she leaned into every stereotype around that there. The, the temperature has come down in the house in terms of. She is very highly involved in everything. Very high standards for herself. So there was a lot of energy spent in that. So now it's like we're good. You know, it's just, it's a lot. The temperatures come down. I'll say that more on this after these words. As you all know, I'm on a health journey as I navigate perimenopause.

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Okay guys, I did say six or seven and then it caused me to say six, seven and then like Sam cringed because this is driving her nuts. Because are you, is this happening in your household? Our kids are saying six, seven and then you ask them what it means and afterwards you're like, I still don't understand what, what's going on here.

[A]

Let's get to what Gen Zers are saying. I asked PC what this meant. He had a great explanation. Still didn't make sense. So we're going to play this Instagram video from Mr. Philip Lindsay on Instagram. He really does a good job of translating Gen Z. So let's see if this helps.

[B]

Six, seven. What does it mean and why are kids saying it? Mr. Lindsay Back to define another word that your kids are using. So we got to go all the way back to the beginning. Now there is a song by Skrilla named Doot Doot. In the song there's a reference to the number six seven. It goes six seven. Now this number was then popularized by different creators, primarily creating basketball sports edits and using that song over the edits. Now most predominantly Lamelo Ball was a part of the edits and referred to him as a basketball player that moves like he's 6 2, but is actually 6 7. Now this, this meme goes viral. Now everybody's making edits, everybody's saying six, seven. And all of these content creators are starting to put 6, 7 into all their things. And not just content creators, but actual basketball players in press conferences and things like that are saying, six, seven. And so it just continues to become a thing. And now it is something that you're just trying to use to get somebody to reference the number 6, 7. Like, how tall are you? 6, 7. What time is it? 6, 7. What's that? 6, 7. There is literally no circumstance where a kid might not say 6, 7. So all of this to say 6, 7 is just a reference to a meme. There is no real meaning to. It is a number that is fun to say, popularized by a meme with the hand motions, and it just doesn't mean anything. So that's what six, seven means.

[A]

Okay, we got this note from Amanda B. On the laugh line. She wrote, have you heard the newest catchphrase that kids are saying? 6, 7. It has absolutely no meaning and isn't appropriate. But because it was on TikTok, apparently my fourth graders think it's the bee's knees.

[B]

Well, I haven't heard that in a while. Can we bring back bee's knees?

[A]

Bee's knees. It's as annoying as I know you are, but what am I when it never ends? After years of teaching, I've learned to beat them at their own game by making things uncool by saying it myself. And then I told them, you know, that was so last week, and they bought it. Now, if a student says it, his or her classmates roll their eyes and say, that was so last week. So success. So I think what we have to do is. And this is kind of mean, but we have to kind of co opt and steal their language. And then therefore it becomes uncool.

[B]

Yes. I mean, that's another. Yeah. So what. What she did was she gave them. That was so last week.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Which is something that we said a while ago, and that's awesome. But yes, you're right about six, seven. When we start saying it, it. They become miserable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And they. They're like, oh, well, if my parents are saying it, it is not cool. Just going back to a couple of things. I know you are, but what am I? Is the worst thing ever. There's no, like, I love that she said it's that she referenced that. But that's just rage baiting.

[A]

I'm rubber your glue, and that's fine.

[B]

I know you are, but what am I? It's just. It just goes on and on and on. And it's like a way to go cyclical in an argument. And if someone says it more than five times. Like you want to tackle them, right? Did you ever, like have people like that who did that?

[A]

My brother and I would just do the. I know you are, but what am I? Back to each other so much that I think my mother wanted to throw punch us both and we would have deserved it.

[B]

But in the end, what we learned from 67 is one dude said it in a rap song. It's been co opted by an entire generation and it means nothing. Really.

[A]

Yep. Speaking of meaning nothing, recently in a podcast, we talked about how the words of perimenopause, like words do not stick in my brain. I was talking about, I think, how I couldn't remember the name for pothole. And I just, I. I was having to do a whole charades thing to figure out what the name of like what the word pothole actually was. You all wrote in with such hilarious, hilarious examples of this. And it honestly made me feel so good that I was not alone. That literally the perimenopausal brain fart is not just me. Marie said instead of saying, don't make me your scapegoat, I said, don't make me your blame donkey. I think I'm gonna use that. That's better. Don't make me your blame donkey.

[B]

It's funnier.

[A]

It's funnier.

[B]

Scapegoat.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, so. But how did she get there? Well, because I get that, but did she mistake goat for donkey? It's amazing.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

So much better.

[A]

It's okay. Maggie said I called a tornado the twirly wind. I see. You know what? We're accurate.

[B]

Julia said I had recently where I couldn't for the life of me recall the word clipboard.

[A]

Oh, we have clipboards here.

[B]

We do. I was miming a clippy motion with my hand while pointing to an actual clipboard board, asking, what is that called? That board with a clip on it. And someone said to her, clipboard, Miss Mr. Leah clipboard. Yeah.

[A]

Let me tell you what it feels like. And maybe I described this before, but I don't remember. It feels like I can see the word, but my mind is literally flipping through files. Try. It's just reaching and reaching to this never ending filing cabinet it. And to the point where I have asked my doctor if I needed to be evaluated for like early onset dementia and they've assured me this is normal. But I. Words are just poof in my brain. Okay. Jane said, when I can't think of a word, I just replace it. With the word noodle. My husband is the only one who understands what I'm talking about.

[B]

So just. She just goes, you know, noodle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the husband translates. Yeah, yeah. We do that sometimes, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not with noodle, but like with our kids. You'll say a sentence and they try.

[A]

To guess what I'm saying.

[B]

Right. Or something.

[A]

A fun family game. Mom's memory lapses.

[B]

Finally, we got this note from Paula. Paula said when you started the laugh lines with the jingle at the beginning, I thought it said gobble wrinkles.

[A]

What were you. What is it?

[B]

Okay, we get older every day. Got more wrinkles. That's okay. She thought it was gobble wrinkles. That's okay. So she thought it was referring to double chins. As we get older. I kept questioning if that was what I was hearing and finally realized it said couple wrinkles. It's not. It's actually got more wrinkles. I apparently, was not clear enough. Got more wrinkles. I wanted to share this laugh with you.

[A]

Can we re record a version for Julia?

[B]

Gobble wrinkles.

[A]

Gobble wrinkles.

[B]

I mean, why not? Just like, you know, every. Every great classic song has a. Yeah, I'll never be your Easter Bunny. Like, yeah, that. That kind of thing.

[A]

What is it? What are some other missing misheard song lyrics?

[B]

You've been running around, running around, running around, throwing that turtle on my knee. Like someone's like, running with a turtle and throwing it on from attention by.

[A]

There was also, like, something about a shark.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Hit me with your wet shark or pet shark.

[A]

Hit me with your pet.

[B]

Hit me with your pet shark. Like Pat Benatar.

[A]

Okay, we are going to end with a pens not sponsored segment.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay, you guys, I can't really show these because I don't want to get on Wikifeet. And I only know about Wikifeet because we were talking about it one time.

[A]

And apparently he's on it and he has a higher rating than me, which.

[B]

You shouldn't be upset about.

[A]

My feet are really not. I was a dancer, so they're not cute.

[B]

My feet are also ugly. But you, like, we don't want to be competitive. We don't need good feet ratings.

[A]

I don't know. Times are tough.

[B]

So Kim's been talking a lot about her Road to 50. I've got some commitments that I'm trying to make. I'm trying not to, like, let them overshadow you, which is, I don't think is possible because you're really crushing your road to 50.

[A]

But I'm not. I'm not claiming the spotlight. We can both be on a journey.

[B]

No, no, it's fine. So. Well, but it is funny because this one, she is now using as well, which is fun. Yeah. Toe spacers.

[A]

Toe spacers, y'. All.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was sold when I heard Taylor Swift did it.

[B]

That was your reason behind it? Okay, So I. I actually had, like, a preventative neurologist mentioned this to me, which is the guy that I'm working with on my Alzheimer's brain and trying to get better at that. So it's this weird, like, jelly kind of thing that you stick on the end of your toes and it pushes your. It makes your toes look like this.

[A]

Let me describe it. If you've ever had a pedicure.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And they put those things between your toes to keep your toes from hitting the nail polish, but bigger.

[B]

Yeah, more spread out.

[A]

More spread out.

[B]

Yeah. It's. It's crazy to look at when you see your feet, like, they're, like, super spread out like this. And so do you. Do you know why this is good for brain health? Why would this be good for brain health?

[A]

Why?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Listening public. Would this be good for brain health?

[B]

Yeah. So the nerve from your feet to your brain is the longest nerve in the human body. And if it's. It's not being used enough because we walk around in shoes so much, we're not exercising all of the bones in our body. Shout out to people with ADHD who like to be barefoot more and just think shoes are dumb. Like, it's going around. Barefoot is another way to improve circulation in your feet. What's up?

[A]

I just don't love bare feet.

[B]

Socks are work. Socks are fine, too. Okay, but. But the. The less you have on your feet, the more you're exercising those little bones in your body.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And so that helps circulation, too. But another thing, people are like, sanjay Gupta does this. They're putting these spacers in, and it's helping circulation. Also, for me, my feet are, like, pretty busted at this point. I've been told I have a collapsed arch. Thanks. And after I get just one collapsed arch. That's. So far. I haven't. They haven't checked on them in a while. I bet I've got another one by now. Like, it's. Apparently when you get older, your.

[A]

Your.

[B]

Your arches just go. And that's one of the reasons people get shorter when they're older, because there's like a. A half inch or an inch in your foot arch.

[A]

So you're no longer 6 7.

[B]

I was never 6 7, but yeah, no, I've gone from 65 to like 64 in a little bit. Oh, I'll read this. Wearing spacers helps to preserve proprioceptors. Proprioceptors. And those are the nerve endings in the brain responsible for our sense of balance and coordination. And that's something that can suffer as we age. Balance and coordination. So toe spacers. Will. The idea is like. Like when you become confined to a wheelchair, which both of my parents did when they were older, and they both have pretty bad feet. Like, finding ways to kind of improve those receptors in your brain because they're getting more information from your foot will. Will keep you from having to do that until later.

[A]

Should we do an update podcast with all that you've learned about your own brain?

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[A]

We did that podcast with Dr. Richard Isaacson. Penn has joined the study. He's learned a lot.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

About his brain hole.

[B]

Yeah. Like, it's. I think a lot of it. We kind of. I'd love to do that, but a lot of it kind of leaks out when we talk. Like, foot spacers is one of the things learn. Just like learning about the necessity to control your cholesterol, even if you have good HDL and ldl. Like, they're like, if you have an absorption issue in your brain, like, you've got to find ways to keep that in check. Yeah. Like, I. Yeah. We could see if. If Dr. Isaacson wants to pop back on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's awesome.

[A]

He's awesome. Anyway, do we have a three piece nug from.

[B]

I'd love to.

[A]

Are you supposed to take the ice off at some point? I've been sitting. I'm only supposed to put ice on for 15 minutes. I've been sitting here for an hour with ice on. Hold on. You're gonna be frozen. You're not supposed to have ice on that long. I'm not an expert. And yet that feels wrong. Well, it's like. It's like the. The ice. I put the ice things that you, like, put in your cooler. Okay, now time for Sam's favorite segment. Pen's three piece nuggets still awaiting sponsorship.

[B]

That's right. This is mostly for the YouTube set, but there's some great animations produced by Sam Allen as we give you these hot off the fryer. Three piece nuggets.

[A]

To be determined. Sponsorship.

[B]

These are three things, like my three major takeaways from this podcast that are going to stick with me.

[A]

Me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. Number One, all y' all forgetting words. Like, those were some. Like, of all of the things we've gotten from laugh lines, that collection of, like, perimenopause brain farts was incredible, funny, inspiring. It happens to me, too. So it made me feel like I'm not alone. But that's, like. That is a. That's a. I'm glad that you.

[A]

I have a community of forgetful people. I see you. I don't remember you, but I see you.

[B]

Number two.

[A]

True.

[B]

Six, seven still really doesn't mean anything at all. Like, I don't. I. I hear it all the time. I still just. I mean, someone said it in a song, and then now they're gonna say it in every sentence.

[A]

And the way to get your kids to stop saying it if they're driving you crazy is to join in, right?

[B]

So me being irritated by it, that's not.

[A]

That's not gonna help. You have to join in.

[B]

Okay. And finally, the last thing that I learned today is ice packs can be worn through an entire podcast. We've reached the end of the podcast, and Kim has these ice packs out of her pants. That's what they looked like. And so if you are dealing with bursitis and you have pants that have.

[A]

With leggings. I'm just wearing leggings, and I stepped it down.

[B]

My pants with pockets. Do. Do that. And. And Sam just looked up and. Do you want to share what you learned about how long you should have ice packs around?

[A]

You should never have ice on your body for longer than 15 to 20 minutes, and it will cause skin damage and frostbite.

[B]

Okay. The good news is it wasn't directly on your body.

[A]

It actually was.

[B]

Oh, okay. Sorry. I thought they were in, like, a little pocket.

[A]

No, I don't have pockets on my leggings.

[B]

Is. Are ice packs different from ice, or is it just. That's all the same thing?

[A]

I googled ice packs.

[B]

Ice packs.

[A]

Okay, so we are now gonna check.

[B]

Let me change my third nugget from. Ice packs can be worn for a podcast, but they shouldn't be. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to read this in the dialect of 6:7, just so that kids will never use it again. Laugh Lines is written and Produced by Kim Holderness, 6 7, Pen Holderness and Anne Marie Tapke with original music by Pen Holderness 6 7. It is filmed, edited and live produced by Sam Allen and hosted by AK Podcast. As always, we love to hear from you. Please write to [e-mail] or leave a voicemail at 323-367- no, that's actually not the right number. 323-364-3929 and we'll talk to you soon on the laugh line.

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Bye.

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