We Sang What?! 90s Music, ADHD Identity, & Space Cadet

Summary

Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness

Episode: “We Sang What?! 90s Music, ADHD Identity, & Space Cadet”

Date: April 21, 2026

Episode Overview

In this high-energy and nostalgic episode, Kim and Penn Holderness dive into the wild world of 90s music and the surprising meanings behind beloved songs, share Kim’s journey navigating ADHD and parental identity, respond to listener call-ins that spark both laughs and memories, and finish with a heartfelt mini-episode of their space-themed “Space Cadet” podcast-within-a-podcast. Loaded with signature banter, self-deprecation, and relatable stories about family life, the podcast is an uplifting look at aging, identity, and the power of music and curiosity to unite generations.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

'American Experiences' & Family Updates (07:44–11:29)

• The Holdernesses are hosting a French exchange student, aiming to provide an “authentic American experience”—bacon, biscuits, granola, and all.
  • “This is eggs, bacon, and biscuits. This is exactly what we do every Tuesday morning in America.” (07:49, Kim)
• Kim struggles not to overhost, reflecting on parenting styles and how cultural exchanges reveal everyday habits.
• Discussion about their daughter’s return from college and the emotional ‘hibernation’ period for returning students.
• Kim reflects on the public documentation of her process sending a child to college, and how deeply the transition impacted her identity.

ADHD, Identity, and Grace (11:29–14:23)

• Kim discusses her ADHD diagnosis, how it reframed her experiences with anxiety, and why it offered relief rather than just more confusion.
  • “My brain just felt like a snow globe.” (11:29, Kim)
  • “I thought that anxiety was my fault... Now I feel like I have an explanation.” (15:01, Kim)
• Penn validates the intensity of maternal feelings in launching a child and the unique grief mothers can feel.
• Kim describes finally feeling known—to herself and by others—now that she better understands her own neurodivergence.

The “Lace Walk” Concept & Song (12:28–14:23)

• Penn introduces the concept of the “lace walk” (relationship walks where couples talk openly while walking).
  • “Guys are a lot better at talking about things when they're looking straight ahead and don't have to make straight up eye contact.” (12:36, Penn)
• They premiere an original 'lace walk' song—a playful highlight with behind-the-scenes insights.

Listener Calls: Nostalgia and Shoutouts (19:59–24:43)

• A younger listener, Aaliyah, requests a shoutout for herself and friends, sparking a conversation about 90s radio “shoutouts” and how it still feels special to hear your name on-air.
  • “We want to be known. We want people to know us. And that includes having your name said on the Internet.” (22:10, Kim)
• Rebecca from Florida laments the loss of CD lyric booklets—a blast from the past about reading along with music and how that's changed in the streaming era.

Game Segment: “What Are These 90s Songs Really About?” (25:04–41:12)

Producer Sam leads Kim and Penn through a hilariously enlightening music game:

• They try to identify classic 90s hits and guess the real (sometimes shockingly dark) song meanings.
• Revelations include:
  • Third Eye Blind – “Semi-Charmed Life”: Actually about crystal meth.
    • “This song is about crystal meth, and we were just bopping along…” (26:39, Kim)
  • Janet Jackson – “Together Again”: Tribute to a friend who died of AIDS.
  • Hanson – “MMMBop”: About fleeting friendships.
  • Naughty By Nature – “OPP”: About infidelity and “other people’s [property]”—not as innocent as they thought.
• A running joke emerges about how much 90s “bops” mask intense sadness or scandalous themes beneath upbeat exteriors.
  • “Why were we dancing to those things?” (31:42, Kim)

[Notable Quotes From The Segment]

• “When I make parodies, my favorite ones are ones that are overtly like that and then change it to something like G-rated.” (34:46, Penn)
• “Apparently you can make it sound however you want to, like...let's talk about Alzheimer's...but make it a bop.” (29:54, Kim)

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Most Memorable 90s Lyrics Moments

[Key Revelations]

• Many beloved hits are about grief, substance abuse, or loss, which flew right over their heads as kids.
• Songs like The Wallflowers' “One Headlight” and Fastball's “The Way” deal with real-life deaths or tragedies.
• Producer Sam delivers dark backstory after dark backstory, to everyone’s comic shock.
  • “Do singers just, like, read the newspaper and they find the signs...then they write a really sunny, shiny happy song about it?” (35:54, Penn)

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Space Cadet Mini-Episode (47:27–55:09)

Kim gives Penn and producer Sam the stage for a test run of their “Space Cadet” podcast idea, focused on the Artemis 2 lunar mission.

Artemis 2 & Space Inspiration

• Real-time excitement about monitoring NASA's new lunar mission with current tech.
• Discussion of the modern, diverse astronaut team and how social media brings relatability and humanity to the mission.
  • “NASA needs humanity. Like it, it's been dying for humanity ever since...all the astronauts had the same name in the 60s. They were all called Buzz.” (52:51, Penn)
• Emotional reflection on Commander Reid Wiseman naming a crater for his late wife, with the group hug in space resonating as a powerful act of vulnerability and connection.
  • “Two men hugging in space after naming a crater after your late wife is peak masculinity.” (54:02, Sam, quoting social media)
  • “We will inspire. But ultimately, we will always choose Earth. We will always choose each other.” (50:41, Astronaut Christina Koch, via recorded clip)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You could do the worm. That would explain how I married up so much.” (16:44, Kim & Penn joking)
• “We both feel a little weird on the outside...like on the fringe of groups.” (16:26, Kim & Penn)
• “I may have to go back to being blissfully unaware when this is all over.” (34:05, Penn)
• “If a man is not naming a crater after me, I don't want it.” (55:06, Kim, Space Cadet segment)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 07:44 – Hosting a French exchange student; American family quirks
• 11:29 – ADHD diagnosis and the emotional experience of child leaving home
• 12:28 – “Lace walk” relationship concept and original song
• 19:59 – Listener shoutout nostalgia
• 22:19 – The hunt for lost CD lyric booklets
• 25:04 – 90s Song meanings game: starts with “Semi-Charmed Life”
• 29:53 – “MMMBop” and lessons about fleeting friendships
• 31:05 – Unpacking “OPP” and other adult themes in classic tracks
• 47:27 – Mini Space Cadet episode: Artemis 2 launch discussion
• 50:41 – Christina Koch’s viral quote about always choosing Earth (audio clip)
• 54:02 – On masculinity, grief, and human moments in space

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Tone and Style

Expect energetic, affectionate banter, self-aware humor, a touch of nostalgia, earnestness on identity and parenting, and a sense of awe for both music and space exploration. The vibe is open, playful, and occasionally poignant, perfect for fans of multi-generational and “aging with humor” content.

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Final Thoughts

Whether you’re a 90s kid, a parent, or simply navigating life’s curveballs (with or without ADHD), this episode serves up laughter, understanding, and plenty of musical and celestial wonder.

Transcript

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We had no awareness that that was maybe inappropriate.

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Even though the words were I wanna sex you up.

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Correct. Okay, this is eggs, bacon and biscuits. This is exactly what we do every Tuesday morning in America.

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We're doing a space cadet.

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Yay.

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Yeah, we get older every day. Got more wrinkles that.

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Yeah, we're laughing.

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When we age, life is like a comedy stage. And that's why we got laugh lines.

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Hey, everybody, I'm Kim Holderness.

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And I'm Finn Holderness. Welcome to Laugh Lines.

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If you ever watched like a television at the end of like, it's broadcast night and they actually signed off, I don't know if I actually remember that.

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Okay, then maybe it's just me.

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Okay.

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I absolutely remember that. In fact, I want to ask you, and maybe I could even ask Sam Allen, our producer who's going to be with us a lot in the show, how did they sign off? They did the same thing every night. Anyone know this?

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I think there was a commercial. It's like, do you know where your children are?

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Maybe. But that's not the answer.

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Okay, Sam.

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This is nothing to me.

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Yeah, she's.

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They would play the national anthem with like a waving flag. Most like that was news stations would do this, like, okay, Johnny Carson's done. Then whatever. The late night is done. And then all of a sudden it's. And there's a flag waving. I hand a gu. God.

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Here's the thing. I am technically Gen X, but I was born in 1976, which is sort of like on the. The fringe of like, they call it, like there's an exilenial. So there is a lot of Gen X stuff that I just am clueless on.

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Sam Allen is furiously typing to find out the Internet answer to this question.

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Until the early 1990s, US TV stations played the national anthem as part of their sign off routine. It featured the anthem, a patriotic video and a test pattern before the station went off the air.

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That's true.

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Until the morning.

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Yeah.

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There's a blank screen with the bars and tone. Basically. Yeah, that's.

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There's nothing.

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Nothing. There's no information that came to you. Okay, so picture it. Doesn't this sound lovely? There is no access to entertainment information.

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You're not doom scrolling.

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You're not doom scrolling. You can't stay up late watching tv. I guess if you had a VHS by that time and you were just in your thoughts. Maybe this is why we read more. Maybe we were a little more chill back then.

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So after Tom Snyder, all electronics cease until like until 6am I'm here for it.

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Honestly, I would hate it.

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Like the Internet just like all Instagram just plays the national rhythm and then goes beep for the rest of the night.

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I would hate it because something happens in my brain where I will think of something at 10 o' clock and I have to know the answer right then. And so we discovered that on the Amazing Race. I swear to God. We have a show for you today, but they take your phones away from you. And so we would be in the hotel rooms and sometimes there would be English language TV and sometimes we would just be watching TV in German and we, we needed to know the plot but there was no subtitle. I was like I need my phone so badly right now. I need to know what they're saying.

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Yeah. This guy went from. He was in Turkish television, he was in Turkish jail. We weren't even in Turkey. But he visited a Turkish torture facility.

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We think that's what they were doing.

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Had to be like there were dungeons and there were shackles. But he like, he had us mustache and seemed very excited to be there.

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I know.

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I don't know why I mentioned the mustache part, but I just remember it vividly.

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Okay.

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It was a sweet like a Tom Selleck mustache. Okay.

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Okay.

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You can tell I'm bantering too much when my wife says okay.

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Big news in the holderness house. We have a French exchange student with us. He is.

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He's wonderful.

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The sweetest. I have depended on Google Translate because I do not speak French. So I'm allowed to do that. You and PC have been clunking it along.

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Yeah. That's a good way to put it.

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We were told this is a. Just give. Give your students just like whatever it is you do, do not change your life.

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They want an authentic American experience. That is what their French teacher Who is wonderful.

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Yes.

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Said don't. Yes. And I don't know if you're at this meeting, but she said it, like, four times. And then parents were like, well, shouldn't we show up at the airport with, like, giant posters? And she was like, no, we need to get them to the school. To the school. Then you can say hello. And so the first morning, all I hear and I smell things that I have not heard or smelt bacon in quite some time emanating from our kitchen.

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Biscuits.

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Girl made biscuits. Sunrise biscuits. She's like, this is what we normally do.

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This is. This is eggs, bacon, and biscuits. This is exactly what we do every Tuesday morning in America. And it's like, we're supposed to give them an American experience. And I was like, oh, wait. So I throw a waffle at him as he's running out the door.

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That's what we do. You. I knew you were going to be horrible at following this specific direction because you are, at your heart, a very welcoming, caring person who likes to go above and beyond with guests.

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Exactly. So it has been a struggle for me, even this morning. I was like, okay, we're going to go granola. We're going to do, like, a cereal. But I had like, oh, let me slice up some fruit. This sweet, sweet, sweet child. I don't think he knows what we do for a living.

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No, we're never going to tell him.

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PC Records a podcast. And he was finishing recording his podcast last night. And Mary, he came downstairs, we were talking. He's love, just a lovely boy. And he asked like, what is PC who is he talking to? I'm like, himself. He's recording a podcast. And he's like, podcast. And I was like, on camera. And he was. It blew his mind. And of course, I'm not saying anything.

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Yeah.

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But it is going to be very interesting if his parents ever discover, like,

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we might just wake up one morning and he'll be gone. He's decided to leave.

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Not those idiots we like.

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Yeah. I mean, we've take. He's been up here, right?

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No, he's never been up here.

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It's. It's. He's gonna think we're keeping, like, an evil twin that we're feeding.

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We all come up here, but we've never invited him up here to the attic.

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I gotta bring him up here. Like, it's. This is.

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That way he can see a very traditional American experience. Everybody has a podcast studio.

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Once he finds out, because they're gonna find out. Like, at least he'll see that it's legit. We have computers and cameras and stuff that we take care of.

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Yes.

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Or Sam takes care of.

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Sunny did sleep in bed with him last night. How cute is that? I know, I know. He came to. I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. And he was. He had a big smile. He's like, no, he liked it.

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Yeah.

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Now, also, at the time that this podcast comes out, our daughter will be coming home from college in, like, a week.

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Are you excited?

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Very excited.

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We don't really know what she's going to do, but she's applying for a

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lot of internships that probably will require more advanced, you know, college experience, but girl needs a job or an internship, so call me. No, she wants. I mean, she's been applying all over the place.

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Yes. And she's passionate and has had a great year. And I remember. And we've talked to a lot of experts about this. There is. She gets home and she does need to hibernate for a little while. It's like, part of the experience. So we can't expect her to be, like, up making biscuits at 7am at first.

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That's what we do in our house, though.

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It is.

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That's exactly what happens in our house.

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It is apparent.

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I will say it. I feel like we documented the experience well of sending a kid off to college because the content we produce is typically like, what's going on in your head? Like, what. What do you. What's happening in our house? And it was all I could think about for a very long time. It became my entire personality.

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You were like, you were pre grieving. You were actively grieving. You were post grieving, but you weren't alone. Like, we learned. So many people have gone through this, and I'm not exclud myself. I think I just did it in a different way There. There's something about moms that I'm sure is tied to the fact that you are a mom and you birthed her. And, like, all those things that I. That I can hear and. And. And validate, but maybe never experience in the way that you did. And it's very powerful.

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It might also just be my weird brain. I was also diagnosed with ADHD in September. So she left, and literally two weeks later, I got the results. So it was this whole crazy identity shift that was happening. My brain just felt like a snow globe. And then also, as my therapist was saying, you know, you do feel things very deeply. So of course you're gonna feel this change very deeply. So it was. It was Just a lot. And I'm so glad it's over for a summer.

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Everyone said, like, it's. It's hardest at the beginning, and it gets better. It takes longer to get better than you think. But now that you've had that much time, it's gotten better. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah, that's good to hear. Part of that identity crisis. You mentioned adhd. It's the. The things that we've been talking about in our lace walks largely have. Have been. Sorry, you guys all know what a lace walk is, right?

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Should we pause?

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Yeah, I invented a word. I'm trying to make fetch happen.

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Okay, so what is a lace walk? And then we'll play the song.

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So like five years ago, during COVID Kim and I went for a walk every single day, because what else are you gonna do? You gotta get out of that house. And we. We saw millions of other couples, and they were all looking straight ahead, and I was like, look, when they're all going on a little lace walk. And Kim's like, what? And I'm like, you know, it's like they. They kind of talk about the stuff they don't want to talk about in the house because, you know, guys are a lot better at talking about things when they're looking straight ahead and don't have to make straight up eye contact. And you thought that was very funny. And we just. That's what we've been calling it. And then we'd finally decided it's time

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to, six years later, make a song about a lace walk.

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Write a song about it.

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Maybe clarify that leash is short for relationship.

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Yes. Thank you.

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It's not a made up word.

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Yeah. It's a relationship walk shortened to lace walk. How is it spelled? No one really knows.

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Yeah, let's play the song.

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You want to go on a leash Walk Relationship with abbreviate walk. No phones. Be present in each one. Share your dreams and your feelings on a lady.

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Honestly, that was a bop. And I think our team, we had so much fun putting that together. It was stuck in our heads. And typically when that happens pretty universally, if we really like a video and we have a lot of fun, it's terrible. Nobody likes it. I think my mom shares it.

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Yeah.

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So I was like, I don't care. I think I texted that morning, like, I don't care if nobody watches this. I had fun shooting it. I love the exercise of it. But then people liked it. They identified with it.

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So, anyway, on our lace walk, most recently, you mentioned we were talking about identity crises. You were mentioning that, like, you feel much more secure and understanding of your identity after getting that diagnosis and doing a little bit of work afterwards. Because it is kind of explaining some things that were unexplained for you for years.

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Yes.

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So that's like the opposite of an identity crisis.

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Well, no.

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Good thing.

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Yes. So I allowed myself three months just to stew in it. And then in the new year, I really started working with my therapist. Working with it has become my sort of hyper fixation, is figuring out this brain of mine. But what I told you on our Laish walk was I always felt like anxiety was my fault. So I've always been to back up, always been diagnosed with anxiety and ocd, like every therapist I've ever been to, it never quite felt right. I mean, I definitely have anxious tendencies, but it didn't really fit all those classic symptoms. And I really thought it was my fault. Like, I couldn't process life well and I didn't have a traumatic childhood. My parents got divorced. But, I mean, most people's parents get divorced, right? And so I felt like, oh, here I've had. I have this great marriage and healthy kids, and yet I still can't handle it. And now I feel like I have an explanation of, oh, your brain, like, floods emotionally and sometimes struggles with when your daughter leaves for college. Of course, it feels like, on a scale of 10, it feels like a 25. And so I was able to give myself a little more grace. Like, it. I didn't create this myself. Whereas I felt like anxiety was because I wasn't meditating enough, I wasn't journaling enough, I was eating too much sugar. Like I thought that I could. So I. This has been a relief to have this because it explains it, you know,

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who you are a little better.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And we all, I think, want to be, feel known to ourselves and to others. And I can say for a long time, for most of my life, I didn't really understand myself. I always felt a little weird and on the outside, which is why it explains a lot why we're married, because

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we both feel a little weird on the outside.

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But truly, like, when I met you, I was like, oh, this works. This fits. I think because we always felt we both felt a little weird on the outside. Yeah, on the outside. Like on the fringe of groups. Right.

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I never thought of it that way until this moment. I just thought it was because you were hot.

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You could. Honestly, I fell in love with you because you could do the worm.

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That would explain how I married up so much was I had that connection that we could work with. Okay, hang on. I'm about to knock your socks off with this segue. I've got a like, I'm a huge fan of Segways.

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Not just the ones you ride.

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Don't even care too much for those.

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Remember when we first moved here? Yeah.

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And you slow down and it kicks you right in the nuts.

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We took it. We took a Segway tour through Raleigh and ended with a cemetery. And I almost got into wreck. Anyway, go ahead.

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So we were just talking about Kim getting in touch with her child, her former self, her child self in her identity reinforcement. We're about to get in touch with our childhood selves with a little nostalgia game that we're very excited about. It's coming up right after we go to the laugh line. What a segue.

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I think I don't know how many people listen to it, but I am definitely a super fan.

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And he tweets in a question every week and he's like, he's like, kim, they're about to say my name. They're going to say my name. They're going to say. And they're like, Penn has a question. What do you think about? And he get geeked out that this really came.

[B]

Julian. His name's Julian. He's amazing.

[A]

Julian says his name. I'm like, your name is on a lot of places your name is said a lot of times.

[B]

But Julian said it.

[A]

You got it in the tens of

[B]

twenties of however many people are watching.

[A]

Let's not offend Julian. I'm sure he has a big audience.

[B]

Dude, here's the Thing, here's what this guy brings his friggin lunch pail to work every single day. He does. He does 20 minutes on the Panthers at least, sometimes 30 every day.

[A]

Is there that.

[B]

There's nothing going on right now.

[C]

That much content.

[B]

So it's. This has been an interesting time because the super bowl was like two months ago. He, like, someone will say something like, the Panthers might trade someone. So he takes that and turns that into. Into a conversation. But I've never heard him do the same thing twice. So he's. Yeah, Julian's my guy. And yes, I know it's weird because

[A]

you just love it when he says your name.

[B]

It's like someone said my name on the radio in 1990 and I was like, getting the antenna right.

[A]

See, we want to be known. We want people to know us. And that includes having your name said on the Internet. So Aaliyah Brooklyn and Carrie Al.

[B]

Shha.

[A]

Shout out. Okay, our next call from Rebecca from Florida. Hi, everybody, this is Rebecca Wozny from Orlando, Florida. I think we need to talk about the missing song lyric booklet from our lives. I remember as a kidnapped teenager sitting for hours with like cassette tapes or CDs, opening that insert, listening to my favorite song over and over again until I had the lyrics down. I feel like our lives are missing that at home escape. Just think we need to have that back in our lives a little bit.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Pen and I have this.

[B]

Which one of us is going to talk first? Let me start and then I'll let you. Because I'm just gonna explain what she's talking about for those of you who do not know.

[A]

Fair, Fair. Fair.

[B]

So. And then I swear to God, you'll be able to talk. So it's a C. Mostly the CD cases had it. A few of the tapes had it. But you pull the booklet out of a CD case, it's like a mini book, and there's the COVID of the cd, and then inside are all of the lyrics written in a font so small that there's only young eyes.

[C]

Could.

[B]

Absolutely. Even with my readers, I could not read this now.

[A]

But you could as a child.

[B]

Yes. And so that's what you do. You listen to the Al once, and then you're like, I wonder what they're saying. And then you're like, holy crap, I don't think I knew any of these things. So you sit there and you read the album as they're singing it. Then you have to fold it back up correctly and stuff it back in this tiny little spot of the jewel case. And it never fits. It's like a map. It never fits back the way that it did before. I. I yield to the distinguished congresswoman from Raleigh now. Go ahead.

[A]

Thank you for explaining that to our younger listeners, Aaliyah, Brookett and Cariel. Yeah, I have to say, this is what we did when there was no tv.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I just went. I had a. I had a boombox, and I would put in my tapes. And I do feel like I had Janet Jackson control as a record and a tape. And so I definitely. And then once we got mtv, I recorded, like, Rhythm Nation and if. And that's, like, how I know all the choreography of it. But this is what we did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. This is what we did.

[B]

Yeah. The other point is, like, I really like. Because they don't have those cases. I guess you can just look it up online, what the words are. But people, I don't think they do that as much anymore. So, like, I don't know what anyone's saying. No, I know what the chords are, but I don't know what they're saying. Yeah, that's for sure.

[A]

So, speaking of music, another segue. I'm not very good at the segue.

[B]

You want me to try it?

[A]

Try it.

[B]

Okay. So we're gonna go from those jewel cases that we all had to. To pack back up and fold back up and get our CDs in there, to a jewel of a game created by our producer, Sam, that's going to take us down memory lane. Little style. It's going to be a lot of fun. Let's do it.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Welcome to what Are these Songs really About?

[B]

What?

[C]

Clarify. What are these 90s songs really about?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

So I've done research on some classic 90s songs.

[A]

Love it.

[C]

It's going to be kind of a mix of a game. It's. I'm going to play a clip.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

You guys are going to try to identify the song that's step one.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Then figure out the meaning.

[B]

What's the song about?

[C]

What's the song about? Some of them obvious, some of them not so obvious.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And to be fair, I've. I've gotten these wrong in the past quite a bit. Especially, like, songs that I thought were perfectly wholesome that I found out when I was much later. That are filthy. Right, Kim?

[A]

It is. It was really eye opening. It was really eye opening to hear what some of these songs are about, but we don't.

[B]

But to be fair, we don't know these.

[A]

We don't Know these?

[B]

Yeah. Sam has selected some new songs.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Yep. To get me through this semitone kind of wife.

[A]

You know, it says semi charmed kind of life.

[B]

It does.

[A]

Stop it.

[B]

I'm kidding.

[A]

Semi charm kind of life. What were more of the lyrics?

[B]

I want something else. I'm not listening when you say goodbye. And then it's, I'm back and I'm rolling, strolling, flippity, ding dong, a fling rolling.

[A]

I think he's just talking about having, like, a good life.

[C]

I'm gonna play another small clip from the song, and I really want you to listen to the lyrics.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, is this something?

[A]

Is he doing crystal meth?

[C]

Doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break. What?

[B]

So this song is about crystal meth,

[A]

and we were just bopping along, but

[B]

when he says, I want something else to get me through it, do you

[A]

think he's saying, I would like to recover from this?

[B]

Or does it mean, man, this is kind of dull. I could sure go for a little bit more meth now.

[C]

Well, I actually have a fun fact about this. The original lyrics were, I want nothing else, and the studio had them change it, thinking it was a little too

[B]

so Third eye blind.

[A]

And so now it's like, I want something else.

[C]

Yes. I want to move past this.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And another fun fact. I pulled a bunch of fun facts.

[A]

Yeah, please.

[C]

The do, do, do section. I don't know if you remember.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Totally improvised in the studio.

[B]

Oh, that's cool.

[A]

I love that. Okay. I excuse your meth for a good

[B]

section, but, I mean, it's possible that the math really helped him kind of create the song. Okay.

[A]

Hey, Aaliyah's listening.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't do drugs.

[B]

Don't do meth or.

[A]

Yes. Or any drugs. All your teeth. Yes.

[C]

Okay, our next song

[B]

is this JLo you.

[A]

It's Gina Jackson.

[B]

Sorry. Okay. Oh, that's so empowering and positive. I'm terrified.

[A]

Everywhere you go.

[B]

Everywhere. Oh, it's. Someone's dead.

[A]

I can see your star shining down on me.

[B]

Someone's dead.

[A]

Did somebody die?

[B]

I didn't even think about it until right now. Someone is dead.

[A]

Oh, I never put I and I.

[B]

I had such a bop, like, upbeat song.

[A]

I had all of Janet's. I was a big Janet fan.

[B]

Yes. You know all the dances.

[A]

What is it?

[C]

This is a tribute to a friend that Janet Jackson lost to aids, and she actually donated part of the proceeds of the song to AIDS research.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Sam, you're getting. You're doing a good job. With this. Because you're making us go, oh. And then, like, five seconds later, oh, okay, we've got handsome. Oh, these kids are, like, 10 years old.

[A]

Okay. This one.

[B]

We all know these. Can I be honest? I don't. I couldn't understand any of the lyrics other than MMMBop. Kim, did you understand any of them?

[A]

I don't think those lyrics are meant to be understood. I think we were all just meant to MBOP and just sort of bounce around, and I think that's all we need to know.

[B]

Right. And the leads. I mean, these boys were young song. Like, the lead singer was yet to have a deep voice.

[A]

Yes, I. But I. I appreciated their work. Please tell me don't break my heart

[B]

before I know what they are. What were the lyrics? I'm curious about that.

[C]

Can you tell me who will still care? Oh, so it's about friendships not lasting.

[B]

Oh, okay. Thank God. I thought it was gonna be, like, suicide or something. Okay, so it's friendships not lasting.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Hold on to people close.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They might not all be there, there.

[A]

You know, I am realizing. So, Pen, you write original songs and lyrics all the time, and they are usually about funny, observational humor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What you probably need is to go a little darker to get a hit.

[B]

Well, if you want me to be. I don't want. I'd like.

[A]

Let's talk about Alzheimer's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But make it a bop.

[B]

Right. And apparently you can make it sound however you want to. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Isn't there already an Alzheimer's song?

[B]

I'm sure there is.

[C]

Don't you forget.

[B]

All right, so OPP Stands for other people's property. Nope.

[A]

I thought when I was in high school, it stood for other people's keyword, but it does stand for other people's property. And I only. I. I learned that, like, three weeks ago.

[B]

If you listen to the song, we won't get into that. We'll do it sort of properly. We'll say the last P stands for property.

[C]

But to really explain that saying, the men are just sharing women.

[A]

Ew.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[C]

Are you down with other people's women?

[B]

Yeah, I knew that one.

[A]

Ew.

[B]

What are you. What are you looking at? Before I write it, you just see the look she just gave me.

[A]

That's so gross. Why were we dancing to those things?

[B]

I mean, Kim, I have seen you really get low when it comes to certain windows in certain walls.

[A]

I mean, that is. I think our. Our music, it stands the test of time in that all bops. But we Got away with. We as a generation got away with some really misogynistic. Misogynistic, heinous, sort of. Yeah.

[B]

It's 3am and I must be lonely sometimes. And the rain gonna wash away.

[A]

Is it. She's trying to get away at 3am what is this about?

[C]

This is about the lead singer's mom's battle with cancer.

[B]

So it's. Maybe it's about. Oh, that's really in the 3am thing.

[C]

We have sleep.

[A]

He can't. Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Sorry.

[B]

I'm so sorry.

[C]

This was so depressing. But, like.

[A]

But it is sort of like you

[C]

sing it's a bop, and it's like a really sad story.

[B]

There's a reason that they don't talk too much about what these songs are about because there'd probably be fewer people, like, driving in their car, playing them and with the. With the window down, thinking it's a Friday afternoon and everything's perfect.

[C]

Speaking of driving in your car.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wallflowers. This is Bob Dylan's kid, right? Or nephew or something.

[A]

What was the chorus?

[B]

It always seems such a waste. Oh, hey, come on. Drive a little. Nothing is forever. Got to be something better than in the middle. Me and Cinderella put it all together. We could drive it home with one headlight. One headlight.

[A]

So that means that you can make it. You can do it. All you need is one headlight.

[C]

I'm just gonna have you listen to this one. First lyric first.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. Oh, they talk about a funeral at. In the first lyric. Yeah, I see the sun coming up in the. Oh, so she's. Someone's dead again. Probably in a car accident. And maybe what they. Maybe because. Oh, my God, did she get in a wreck because one of her headlights was out?

[C]

Okay, I don't have that much information. I just have that it's about a death of a friend.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

One Headlight by the wallflowers. It won two Grammys in 1998.

[B]

Oh, it was a bop.

[C]

And the lead singer is the son of Bob Dylan.

[B]

Jacob Dyl.

[A]

One. Oh, wow. Okay.

[B]

A lot of jazz, but that's another one that, like, I blast in the car a thousand.

[A]

It's like, that's a good drive in song.

[B]

But this. I mean, he. It's not like he was hiding it. The first line. I see this coming up for the funeral at dawn.

[C]

And, like, we're singing it and not realizing what we're saying.

[A]

Wow, we're not that smart.

[B]

I may have to go back to being blissfully unaware when this is all over, but okay, Sam, what's up? What's next? Okay, there you go.

[A]

Stop. You don't stop.

[B]

This one's about clocks.

[A]

This is about clocks and about keeping accurate time.

[B]

The real words are, I want to sync you up.

[A]

I can't tell you. So this is. This is the issue, Sam. That song would come on the radio, I want to sex you up, and I would sing it in the car with my mother, you know, and it was nothing. Like, we just didn't even like it. Just we had no awareness that that was maybe inappropriate.

[B]

Even though the words were I want to sex you up.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, Yeah. I may have skipped this one. Riding with my mom, Mary Holders, but, you know, just so you know, like, when I make parodies, my favorite ones are ones that are overtly like that and then change it to something like G rated. It's always fun.

[A]

How would you have changed this one?

[B]

I want to text you up. I want Tex Mex. I don't know. Like, I don't know that any of those things. We haven't done this one yet. That I. I could think of some other stuff, but that. That's the first one that popped up.

[C]

Back to sad.

[B]

Yeah. To see the road that we walk on is paved in gold. Positive gold. It's always sunny. It never gets cold. Amazing.

[A]

It's heaven. Sounds like heaven.

[B]

You never get old and gray.

[A]

It's. It's. Are they in heaven?

[C]

This is the saddest one, guys.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Based on a real story of an elderly couple, Layla and Raymond Howard, who both had dementia, got in the car and drove away. And they weren't found until two weeks later off the side of a mountain. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. This is so sad.

[B]

Do singers just, like.

[A]

Do they read newspaper and they find the signs?

[B]

They go to the obituary section and

[A]

then they write a really sunny, shiny, happy song about it.

[B]

That seems like, what's happening? That didn't have to be about that. That could have been about a road that's paved in gold. But now that I hear.

[C]

Highlight that first.

[B]

Oh, my God. Where are they going? Without ever knowing the way. Yeah. Yep, I hear it now. I hear it now. I didn't hear it before. Sorry, I'm laughing.

[A]

Where?

[C]

But he was trying to find the bright side. They chose how to go there wasn't

[B]

like a bit of a Thelma and Louise situation.

[A]

Oh, they thermal. Honestly. Empowering.

[B]

I'm with you. I choose to think that is a happy song.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's paved in gold Domin Louise did. And they were like they took control of everybody else. Yes. It's my new favorite song.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where you are.

[B]

Okay. Happy. Oh, it's about a water slide.

[A]

No, I just want to be with you.

[C]

I'm gonna play another specific lyric.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I think really gets into the details here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, The priest is on the phone. Your father hits the wall.

[C]

Don't you love the life you killed?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The priest is on the phone.

[A]

So is it about abortion? It's about the borscht.

[B]

We just abbreviate on abortion.

[A]

Wow. Why wouldn't you smile again? It's a happy song.

[B]

I feel like I need the gif of Homer disappearing into the cornstalks here.

[C]

Goo Goo Dolls, baby.

[A]

Oh, the googs.

[B]

You just said borsch, and then you said the Google. These are the Chili Peppers. I don't know what they're saying. Could not get enough.

[A]

I. I want to waste your time. What are they saying?

[C]

Under the bridge uptown? I could not get enough.

[B]

Oh, that's heroin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that's heroin. They. They famously had some of that.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

It's so funny. All these guys now like him, Eddie Federer. They, like. You see them now, and they are. They've aged really well because they got so crazy in their 20s. They don't do any of it anymore.

[A]

Also, let's.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

Let's say that they may have the money for some Hollywood interventions as well.

[B]

Sure. That's true. Yeah, that's true. But also, it takes, like, willpower in your own brain to make those decisions.

[C]

So this one is a personal favorite because I remember being a child and singing this loud in the car.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I remember this. Okay, I'm gonna say that's a largely female demographic for that song, but go ahead.

[A]

Well, obviously, they are going to get married and they are going to show their love by becoming. They're going to light a unity candle

[B]

at their wedding, because when a man loves a woman very much, they get married and pledges their lives to each other in front of God, witnesses, and a magistrate of the court.

[A]

Right. The two become one.

[C]

Get it on. Let's get this wedding on one.

[A]

Exactly how I interpreted it.

[C]

Spice Girls.

[B]

That was Spice Girls.

[A]

Spice Girls.

[B]

That wasn't on my playlist.

[C]

Everything I know, I learned from them.

[B]

Oh, really?

[C]

If you want to be my lover, you got to get with my friends. Right?

[A]

Girl anthem. That is such a girl.

[B]

Also, like, is a big part of our marriage book. Tell me what you want, what you really, really, really want. Why I sleep all day. All right, so that's Blind Melon.

[A]

Why sleep all day?

[B]

And I don't understand why. I sleep all day and I start to complain. But there's no rain, is it? Just about are there in the desert, and it's thirsty.

[C]

A little depressed. Just a little depressed. Okay.

[B]

That's the. No rain.

[C]

I don't understand why I sleep all day.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Oh, you're depressed.

[C]

But we're gonna end on an absolute bop.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

That was popular in its time, but had a massive resurgence after appearing in the 2021. Mo be Magic Mike.

[B]

Oh, pony. Yeah. We all know what this is about. Come on. He ain't talking about me.

[A]

So this person likes horses.

[B]

To be clear. No, I actually know what this is about because if you watch Parks and Rec, the. There was this pony named Little Sebastian.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Who died. And you look it up. Look it up. Genuine came to the Unity Festival in Pawnee to do a tribute to Little Sebastian. He said, little Sebastian, you're my pony. So this song is about Little Sebastian.

[A]

That's a very deep cut. But obviously this person was a horse enthusiast. And that is all I told about that, because it is a bop. Yeah.

[B]

Have you ever not heard the first five seconds of that song and dropped everything that you had, no matter where you were?

[A]

When did that come out?

[B]

Out? It was. I mean, it was early 2000s, I think.

[C]

Oh, 1996.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

90s.

[C]

I love everything in the 90s.

[A]

I. This was all 90s. I definitely was in college.

[B]

Was it known as a stripper song before Magic Mike, or was it just, like, a club song?

[A]

I.

[B]

Because now I imagine if you go to a male strip club, that's like a hourly requirement to play that song.

[A]

Yeah. It just, you know, it kind of announces the new hour.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like the clock ticking at 00. Boom, boom. Like, if I went to a male strip club, I'd be really disappointed if they didn't play that song the entire time I was there. Never been to one, but it just

[A]

seems like you're missing out. I don't. I. I just. I do remember it as a college, like, in the club.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Song.

[B]

It is wonderful. And I've never seen Magic Mike, but I assume you've never seen it.

[C]

No, it's actually really funny.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's actually like, I like Channing Tatum.

[A]

You're like, I don't enjoy Naked man.

[B]

Good with it.

[C]

No, I thought, like, I enjoyed the movie because it's like, Channing Tatum Is very funny.

[B]

Yes, he is.

[A]

Well done with the game.

[B]

Yeah, Samantha, that was awesome. So thank you for throwing in some. Some easy ones here and there, honestly.

[C]

So it wasn't depressing the choice on that one.

[A]

I am fascinated by the. The songwriting process now more than ever.

[B]

Like do they just go to the police blotter?

[A]

Well, I love Taylor Swift as a lyricist. Her, you could read her lyrics like poetry and people do and it seems but you know when you're going in to reading to listening to a Taylor Swift song, like there's more to it and people study her lyrics. I was not expecting so many of those like 90s roll the windows down, scream from the top of your lungs songs to be about such depressing things. Okay. Beautiful game. Samantha Allen, round of applause. But you're not done, Sam. Because we have received so many emails and messages because Sam and Penn have talked about doing a spinoff podcast called Space Cadet. So part adhd but also part just being a space nerd. And this would definitely be you two. I could come in for some commentary but I thought because of the Artemis launch and now by the time this air be back. Right.

[B]

One would hope.

[A]

One would hope they'd be back. That we can, you know, give you two a platform to do like a mini episode. Try it out right now, today.

[C]

Yes, I have pre produced. Did you produce it a mini episode for us?

[B]

This is you guys. This is my dream. Sam does all of the preparation.

[A]

Yes. And I'm just here as a personality

[B]

hire sometimes right or wrong, we're doing a space cadet. Like a mini space cadet.

[C]

Welcome to Mini Space Cadets. I'm your co host, Sam Allen.

[B]

Wait, does we need. Do we need her on the screen?

[A]

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Okay Kim, if I say Spring break, what what pops into your mind?

[A]

I'm not really sure I could say that this mic is hot.

[B]

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More relaxed, more grown up.

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Yeah, like we deserve a simple trip that is meaningful but doesn't require a ton of planning.

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Planning? Well, you know I love not planning and I also love a nice getaway that's well earned.

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Okay, guys, welcome to a mini episode of Space Cadets. I thought it'd be great because as of Today it is April 9th when we're recording this, which I'm think is important to know. Artemis 2 is currently in the air.

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Yeah.

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This podcast does not come out until a few weeks, so hopefully they'll be

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back cut this segment if they're not.

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Yeah, we will have to. But I think we just need to start out about. What are you. What are your thoughts on Artemis 2.

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Man, it's been, it's been so cool to see a lunar mission with all of the modern bells and whistles that we have to monitor it. There. There's this thing, I think it's called Akon. I can't remember the name of it.

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It.

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There's an app on my phone and my computer that shows me exactly where they're. Where they are. There have been phenomenal pictures. When they went on the far side of the moon of the eclipse, they actually got the. The moon as it was being eclipsed by the earth and the sun because they timed it up for that, for that opportunity. I also have loved like getting to know these astronauts, these particular astronauts, particularly. What's the woman's last name?

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Christina. A Coke.

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Coke, Yeah, I think it was Coke. She is becoming like slowly a social media star with some of her comments and her relatability. I've had to spend a lot of time explaining to my wife why it's taken so long to get back to the moon. And this is what I. I've told her. Am I going too far with this answer?

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No, please.

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When we went to the moon in the 60s, we were fighting for national security. We believe that Russians were going to build a nuclear weapons base on the moon, among other things. And so we spent 4.4% of our annual federal budget during the height of the Apollo missions. Here's the most impressive part of what we just did. I know it's been 60 years since we did it. Last time we did it with less than 0.4% of our annual federal budget. So we did it for more than 10 times less then they had to do it in the 60s because people just don't. There's no threat. There's no existential threat. You have to be very careful and you've got to find a really economic way to get there. And they did it. So that to me is pretty cool.

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Yeah, this has been awesome. For me, because I'm a huge space nerd. And we're doing it in this day and age and, like, seeing all the social media stuff, like, we are getting up to the minute information. The astronauts have their phones that they're taking their own photos. Like, it's just been really cool. And I want to play the clip. Basically, when Artemis circled behind the moon, there was a communication break for 40 minutes.

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I remember we were. Can remember that. We were, like, sitting in the car, refreshing.

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And as soon as they came back around, astronaut Christina Koch said this.

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Okay, when we burned this bird towards the moon, I said that we do not leave Earth. But we do. We will explore, we will build, we will build ships, we will visit again. We will construct science outposts, we will drive rovers, we will do radio astronomy. We will found companies, we will bolster industry, we will inspire. But ultimately, we will always choose Earth.

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We will always choose each other.

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That hit me in the feels we were driving down like we were in traffic. And I think universally, a lot of times I don't want to choose Earth. I feel like we're so combative towards each other. What's happening in our world, the war, it's just awful. But it is such a brilliant reminder. It was such a brilliant reminder of, like, how lucky we are.

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Yeah. That God or science or whatever you want to believe, gave us one planet.

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Yeah.

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And we can't screw it up.

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Right. How'd that hit you, Sam?

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Yeah, like, the same, I think, like. Like, you're. She's on the other side of the moon and she's. They're looking back at Earth like, that's. That's our home. That's home base. And it's so easy to get discouraged by the world right now. And yet we are living in a time where four humans are passing the moon. And that is so cool. And we just need to be just thankful and enjoy, like, finding the joy in. How cool it is to be in this time, in this world where we have the choice.

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Yeah. You saw a lot of joy. If you. If you go through some of NASA's released photos from the launch, like, the people were going bonkers.

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Yeah.

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In the launch.

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I want to talk about the inspiration of this particular mission. And I think I. I think when we talk about the original moon landing, a lot of those men were, like, put on a pedestal, and they're heroes. And I'm not saying they're not. There's been something really beautiful about these four astronauts and U.S. learning about them, learning about their families. What Kind of hobbies they have that they're like, oh, those are humans. They're smarter than me. But like, we are the same. And so I want to talk about what I think was the biggest viral moment as of now from this trip was when Commander Reed Wiseman named a bright crater on the moon after his late wife Carol, who died of cancer in 2018, 2020. I for one cried multiple times. Every time I've seen the clip, him naming it, the four of them hugging, I guess it's just like, how did that make you feel? And why do you think it's resonating with so many people?

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Because NASA needs humanity. Like it, it's been dying for humanity ever since. I mean, all the, all the astronauts had the same name in the 60. They were all called Buzz. They all, they all look the same. It, they all were, were. You know, I don't, I don't think a lot of them are married anymore. Like, it was just this kind of like robot factory of Air Force pilots who went up and they spoke in very scientific terms. And I mean there was, there was, there's that one small step for man that was a beautiful human moment that captivated people for a long time. But there haven't been a lot of human moments in space. And that one was out of the park. Perfect. It was, it was this man showing his vulnerability, this man showing his friends and celebrating with them and mourning with them and like, there's something about a group hug in space. Right? I think to me it was the group hug that I was looking at. I'm like, oh my God. Well, that's a first.

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Yeah.

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Because I don't remember anyone. I don't even think that they like shook hands on the moon. I think they were both, they were, were soldiers right at that point. And this felt more like humans.

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I saw some great quotes that were like, two men hugging in space after naming a crater after your late wife is peak masculinity.

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Yes, absolutely.

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And I think as us down on Earth, like, we need examples of that. We're craving examples of humanity and choosing each other. So that, that's why this has hit me. And I'm not a. As you know, I try to be a space nerd, but I don't have the love and passion that you two do.

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Well, this is all really important, you guys, because it's image is everything. When it comes to the future of NASA. It got crusty and dry. They're going back to the moon for the same reasons, same looking people. It like the public weren't interested. This is a well known fact. That's what. Yeah, I mean, we, we beat the Russians. It was over. There wasn't a. There wasn't a national security issue. So there needs to be some skin in the game. And you're. What you guys are describing is gonna help.

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And ladies, if he's not calling you back, just know you're in space. You can do better. Honestly, one day a man will name a crater after you.

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If a man is not naming a crater after me, I don't want it.

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Well, this was really fun. I'm so glad we got to do a mini episode.

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You did a great job producing it too.

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Thank you.

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Like, that's. This is my favorite part about this is me doing no work beforehand.

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That's all I want from you.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I don't. Relax.

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I think it's time for you to read the credits now, Sam.

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Alice.

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Ok.

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Okay.

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