Your Calls, Getting Canceled, And Weird Al

Summary

Podcast Summary: Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness

Episode Title: Your Calls, Getting Canceled, And Weird Al
Release Date: August 5, 2025

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1. Personal Updates and Current Life Events

The episode kicks off with Kim and Penn Holderness sharing personal updates, setting an intimate and relatable tone for the listeners.

• Funeral Plans: Kim mentions an upcoming funeral they need to attend, highlighting the emotional challenges they're navigating.

  "We have a funeral to attend, sadly, tomorrow. And we know we're flying out of town for this." – Kim [05:00]

• Medication and Mental Health: Kim discusses her decision to resume medication after experiencing postpartum depression, emphasizing the importance of mental health care.

  "I used to be very locked in... I was like, I'll never do that again. And it's on supplements and on whatever. And then finally I said, why am I doing this? Everything's fine." – Kim [05:12]

• Daily Routines and Challenges: The hosts talk about their daily routines, including early bedtimes and dealing with the pressures of managing their household.

  "I love to get in bed really early and start my reading." – Kim [06:02]

2. Upcoming Children's Book Release

Kim and Penn proudly announce their forthcoming children's book, "All You Can Be with ADHD," set to launch in October. They delve into the creative process, highlighting Penn's role in authoring the book and the collaborative efforts involved.

• Creative Process: Penn shares his experience, noting that the writing process was relatively effortless as the ideas were already formed in his mind.

  "The writing was pretty easy. And then the editing was fairly simple. The illustrating was so much fun." – Penn [08:29]

• Illustration and Production: They emphasize the human touch in the illustration process, contrasting it with artificial intelligence.

  "It's like AI, but way better because it's a human being." – Penn [09:36]

• Audience Engagement: Kim encourages listeners to pre-order the book and shares exciting news about a potential book tour in Paris.

  "We've learned that you, the viewers and listeners are a very important producer in this show..." – Kim [07:11]

3. Naming the Audience and Community Building

The hosts brainstorm names for their listener community, reflecting their desire to create a strong, engaging fan base.

• Brainstorming Session: They explore various names, ultimately deciding to involve the audience in the naming process.

  "We have a listener who lives in Paris, France, and works at the American School of Paris..." – Kim [10:20]

4. Listener Call-Ins: Engaging Conversations

This episode features a series of listener calls, each addressing different aspects of aging, generational gaps, and modern slang.

a. Are We Done with… Things with Wheels?

Listeners express their reluctance to engage in activities involving wheels, such as roller skating and ice skating, citing fears of accidents and physical strain.

• Kim’s Reflection: Kim shares her own detachment from roller skating since seventh grade, tying it to personal experiences.

  "I've never been super into roller skating. Like, since the seventh grade..." – Kim [19:28]

• Penn’s Input: Penn discusses the resurgence of roller skating as a form of exercise and mentions friends involved in roller derby.

  "Roller skating is back. That was, like, Sam's Covid hobby for a minute." – Penn [20:05]

b. Understanding Gen Z Slang: 'Smoke Show' and 'Smash'

A caller named Elle shares her confusion over the term "smoke show," mistaking it for a derogatory comment rather than the intended compliment.

• Clarification: Kim explains that "smoke show" is an outdated but still valid compliment, akin to rating someone's attractiveness.

  "Smoke show is like, that's a 10." – Kim [22:26]

• Evolving Language: Sam adds that terms like "smash" have shifted in meaning, making it challenging to navigate generational slang.

  "Smash now means something different than what Gen X used it as." – Sam [29:05]

c. Misunderstanding Older Music: Nine Inch Nails Example

A millennial caller recounts a misunderstanding with Gen Z colleagues regarding Nine Inch Nails, illustrating the generational gap in cultural knowledge.

• Cultural Disconnect: Kim laments how younger generations lack familiarity with significant bands from previous decades.

  "It's really sad how our children have not been educated on grunge." – Kim [27:23]

d. Social Skills and COVID Impact on Gen Z

The hosts discuss concerns about Gen Z's social skills, attributing some of the challenges to the COVID-19 pandemic's impact on social development.

• Improving Communication: Kim emphasizes the importance of teaching children how to engage in meaningful conversations.

  "Here’s how you have a conversation. So I ask you something, then you ask me something..." – Kim [40:10]

• Parental Responsibility: Sam reflects on his role in fostering better communication skills in his children.

  "Instead of blaming Covid. Blame me. Like am I doing a good enough job..." – Sam [43:37]

5. Personal and Professional Challenges

Towards the end of the episode, Kim and Sam candidly discuss the personal struggles they're facing, including mental health challenges and the pressures of managing a growing family.

• Mental Health Struggles: Both hosts share their experiences with panic attacks and the emotional toll of supporting each other through difficult times.

  "I had a panic attack this week." – Sam [46:19]

• Family Dynamics: They talk about the logistics and emotional stress of moving, preparing for their child Lola to start school, and the challenges of organizing their household.

  "We're having to rent a bigger car. We're, like, finding out if we need a trailer." – Sam [47:52]

6. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with Kim and Sam humorously attempting to read the show credits in different accents, showcasing their playful chemistry and ability to find humor amidst personal challenges.

"Lovelines is written and produced by Kim Holderness, Pen Holderness and Ann Marie." – Sam [48:38]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Kim on Mental Health:

  "I personally keep my phone out the bedroom at night so I don't spend hours mindlessly scrolling rather than getting a good night's sleep." – Kim [00:56]

• Penn on "Smash":

  "I think we're taking it too far not being able to tell people that they look beautiful." – Sam [25:15]

• Kim on Body Positivity:

  "I think if somebody says, wow, you look really good, that's still something that I value." – Kim [25:46]

• Sam on Handling Clutter:

  "We're going to find out if we need a trailer." – Sam [47:36]

• Kim on Generational Differences:

  "I think Gen X, at our core we just really want to be home playing Atari." – Kim [44:33]

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Key Takeaways

• Navigating Personal Challenges: Kim and Penn openly discuss their struggles with mental health and the impact of personal events on their lives, emphasizing the importance of transparency and mutual support.

• Bridging Generational Gaps: The hosts explore the misunderstandings between Gen X and Gen Z, particularly in language and cultural knowledge, advocating for better communication and understanding.

• Empowering through Creativity: The announcement of their children's book showcases how Kim and Penn use their platform to support and empower individuals with ADHD, highlighting their commitment to meaningful content.

• Engaging Community: Through listener call-ins and interactive segments, Kim and Penn foster a sense of community, encouraging their audience to share experiences and participate in conversations about aging and generational differences.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, sponsored segments, and non-content discussions to focus solely on the engaging and insightful conversations between Kim and Penn Holderness in this episode of "Laugh Lines."

Transcript

[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Sam Allen]

As we know, the youth mental health crisis is all over the news and we know that social media is a huge driving factor.

[Kim Holderness]

Did you know the US Surgeon General warns that kids who spend more than three hours a day online are twice as likely to have depression and anxiety?

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, we are huge advocates for prioritizing mental health, and that includes monitoring the time that we and our kids spend in front of devices.

[Kim Holderness]

I personally keep my phone out the bedroom at night so I don't spend hours mindlessly scrolling rather than getting a good night's sleep.

[Sam Allen]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Sam Allen]

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[Kim Holderness]

Bottom line, you don't have to give your kids a device that was made for an adult. Get them Gab, which keeps them socially connected safely.

[Sam Allen]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Sam Allen]

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[Kim Holderness]

Did you know that all the research on bird calls has been done on male birds?

[Sam Allen]

You have told me that. And yes, you're very into birds right now.

[Kim Holderness]

Just but with the bird thing, okay, and the male. Does that sound like anything else you might know? The health industry, especially when it comes to aging, it hasn't really focused on women's unique needs. It's often based around men's biology, leaving many women feeling overlooked or misunderstood.

[Sam Allen]

And I know you, that really stinks. Especially with a little Miss Perry menopause around some of the time.

[Kim Holderness]

Some of the time, yes, Perry does make an appearance. Okay, seriously, women are experiencing those shifts that come with Aging, whether it's your energy or focus. But these aren't things to just deal with, you know?

[Sam Allen]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

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[Sam Allen]

More like yourself, you know aging is inevitable. But how you age, that's completely in your hands. Your birding obsession, that's on the other hand. But we'll get back to that later.

[Kim Holderness]

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[Sam Allen]

I would love to know if there's an actual squirrel feeder that we can get.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, my Lord. I don't like to be told what to do.

[Sam Allen]

Right. Maybe I'll get canceled for this. Yeah, we get older every day. Got more wrinkles.

[Kim Holderness]

That's okay.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, we're laughing. When we age, Life is like a comedy stage. And that's why we got land.

[Kim Holderness]

Hi, everybody. I'm Kim Holderness.

[Sam Allen]

And I'm Penn Holderness. It's apparently pajama party at Laugh Lines today.

[Kim Holderness]

Well, I just wanted to be comfortable.

[Sam Allen]

You look great.

[Kim Holderness]

And I want the people listening and the people watching to feel it's a come as you are kind of day.

[Sam Allen]

You look great in all things. I just didn't get the memo.

[Kim Holderness]

We are actually wearing the same shirt by accident. We are like those old people that start looking like each other. We're wearing our pickleball, y' all, merch. But we did not plan this.

[Sam Allen]

We've not communicated at all at all this morning.

[Kim Holderness]

Isn't that weird? As married people who work together, how little we talk about things.

[Sam Allen]

We've got our lanes that we've got to stay in. Right. Like, there's a lot of stuff going on and so you got something you're doing, I've got something I'm doing. I was working on like rental cars this morning. You were working on this ensemble, so.

[Kim Holderness]

And then we look at each other for the first time. We've been awake for three hours.

[Sam Allen]

Oh.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh. We look exactly alike.

[Sam Allen]

Anyway, it's good to see you.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm good. You know what? There's just a lot going on in. In now. You know what? I was Going to say it's all good. It is not all good.

[Sam Allen]

It's medium.

[Kim Holderness]

It's medium.

[Sam Allen]

It's medium.

[Kim Holderness]

We have a. We have a funeral to attend, sadly, tomorrow. And we know we're flying out of town for this.

[Sam Allen]

And I don't have a rental car.

[Kim Holderness]

Don't have a rental car. But I'm already pre medicating, so I feel better.

[Sam Allen]

Pre medicating?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. I used to be very, like, so locked in. Only, you know, after the postpartum depression thing, I got off all the meds and I was like, I'll never do that again. And it's on supplements and on whatever. And then finally I said, why am I doing this? It could be so many. And look, everything's fine.

[Sam Allen]

Everything is fine.

[Kim Holderness]

Everything is fine. Anyway, welcome to Laugh Lines. Yeah, you're home. Can I tell you also, people listening and watching a very funny Story. I love this time of year because it stays light so late, so I can go on a 7 o' clock after dinner walk, obviously. But I just get tired, you know. And I love to read. I'm on my. I'm on my reading kick.

[Sam Allen]

Sure are.

[Kim Holderness]

I love to get in bed really early and start my reading. I. You got into bed. You were also reading. And I was a little annoyed because Penn had left the bathroom light and like, we can't do that.

[Sam Allen]

True story. So I was very upset that I left the bathroom.

[Kim Holderness]

I was like, fine, I guess I'll do it. And I get up to go turn off the bathroom light.

[Sam Allen]

Bathroom light wasn't on.

[Kim Holderness]

It was the sun. The sun was still up. We were in bed so early that the sun was still up. But high five. I love that journey for us.

[Sam Allen]

No, I like so summer. I don't need to be outside or feel any of the evening feels here because it's still really hot. Like, I'm all for taking advantage of the air conditioning that we're paying for, so I may as well be in here for it. And that's kind of how curmudged I've gotten too. So very cool. Okay, so great story. We've got a fun show for you guys today. This is one of our call in shows. We've learned that you, the viewers and listeners are a very important producer in this show and your opinions and your thoughts are equal parts insightful and funny. And so every once in a while we will compile all of them and we'll play them for you.

[Kim Holderness]

But first, if you're an avid listener to this podcast, you've heard us talking about our first children's book that's going to be launched in October, called All youl Can Be with adhd. And I'm so excited.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah. I'll tell you what made it, Made it real for me. And this is our third book and I've never been privy to this before. Our publishers actually went to the site of the printing press and they took video and pictures and they sent it back to us. Sorry. Sam's laughing. Is it not a printing press?

[Kim Holderness]

The printing press?

[Sam Allen]

What do they call it?

[Kim Holderness]

Well, you get the quill and the ink and then you have to dry that.

[Sam Allen]

I want to know what it's called. I'm pretty sure it's called a printing press. And you guys are going to feel silly. What do you think? Like, TikTok just makes all the books comes out.

[Kim Holderness]

Like such a boomer.

[Sam Allen]

We send it to the 3D printer. No, it's a printing press. It looks like a pretty. Here, let's show some video.

[Kim Holderness]

What is this called?

[Sam Allen]

What is it called, Sam?

[Penn Holderness]

It's called offset lithography.

[Sam Allen]

Litho.

[Kim Holderness]

Lithography.

[Sam Allen]

Lithography. So. But no, this makes it real. I love these videos because we make videos. And the way that the sausage is made for us is, you know, you. You film it, you put it in a computer, you're looking at it the entire time and then it goes out and like, most of the magic is lost on the people who are making it. Right. So. So seeing the magic of this, it's like, it's a. It's an ordeal.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

These are big machines. It's kind of cool knowing that our stuff is going into these big machines.

[Kim Holderness]

If I had an adult friend that was recently diag, like, I would buy, it's. This is a funny enough book that I would buy this for my adult friend. But I. I am so proud of Pen because, yeah, I. I definitely contribute to things. I think I contribute a lot to the video stuff. A lot of the written stuff I contribute to this book in particular came 100% out of your brain. And it is fascinating what goes on inside of his brain. So I'm just excited for the world to see. And really, I really think you are. Like, we just need to start cranking out kids books because that was so much fun for me to not do anything and for you to create something wonderful.

[Sam Allen]

I mean, it is interesting for this type of book. The actual writing did not take a ton of time because it was already in my head. I mean, it's been. After a lifetime of thought and development.

[Kim Holderness]

You'D been thinking about it for years. Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

But the writing was pretty easy. And then the editing was fairly simple. The illustrating was so much fun. Like collaborating with someone who's illustrating and saying, you know what I could really use here.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

And then they do it.

[Kim Holderness]

I know.

[Sam Allen]

It's like. It's like AI, but way better because it's a.

[Kim Holderness]

But it's a human.

[Sam Allen]

It's a human being. I'm saying this all to say that the hardest part and the longest amount of work is the marketing of the book. It's the tours, it's the reading, it's the getting to meet people in person. It's going on news, making videos to promote it. And. And I don't mind that part either.

[Kim Holderness]

So if you want to hear more, all, you can be with ADHD.com or check the link in our show notes for more information. We are very proud of this. And you could pre order. Then that would be cool. If you pre order.

[Sam Allen]

Oh, yeah. So, guys, if you do, that's a huge favor to us.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, if you're gonna buy it anyway.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, if you're gonna buy anyway. Only if you, like, need it.

[Kim Holderness]

Right?

[Sam Allen]

Or if you have, like, a friend or a kid who has adhd, this is a good book for them.

[Kim Holderness]

But listen to this. I want to shout out the Laugh Lines Nation. We have a listener who lives in Paris, France, and works at the American School of Paris. And she's invited us, honey, to come have a book tour event at their school and. And fulfill our goal for a Paris day trip. I've been talking nonstop about just doing a day trip to Paris because we have a nonstop flight here from our town. We should do a book tour event right off.

[Sam Allen]

Also. Also, you know, like, a lot of people like us, they have names for their fan base. Like, so is Laugh Lines Nation. Do we workshop that?

[Kim Holderness]

Is that workshop the people listening and our loyal community and the community that supports each other. What are we calling you?

[Sam Allen]

Our laugh liners? Like flatliners. But that's dead person. No, this is what workshopping is.

[Kim Holderness]

There's no bad ideas when you're brainstorming.

[Sam Allen]

Apparently there are.

[Kim Holderness]

But you know what we should do? Jump into the actual show.

[Sam Allen]

Okay, let's do that.

[Kim Holderness]

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[Kim Holderness]

That's oregonhomecarejobs.com let's start with Are we Done with.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Sam Allen]

This is the segment that makes us seem incredibly youthful. Right, right.

[Kim Holderness]

And the. The question was, are we done with concerts? I think we've talked about this. I just need a very special concert experience and a little life update. We went to the Weird Al concert in Madison Square Garden and Penn. We had. We had a chance, you guys, to meet Weird Al Yankovic. What was that like for you?

[Sam Allen]

Some backstory here. He's. He is my idol. That seems kind of obvious, I guess, if you look at what I've done for a living for the last 10 years. But I had all of his records before they were cassettes, before they were CDs. I. When my dad got a VHS in our house, I used it to record Al tv, which was like his. His sketch comedy show on mtv. And so he. He had a profound effect on me. Not just with his. With his music, but his. Like, he had his own kind of brand of sketch comedy that if you look at old ALTV episodes, a lot of it is stuff that people are using on, like, tick tock trends right now. He is. I have a. I. I believe he is more important to humor, satire, and pop culture than anybody could possibly imagine. Second of all, he's a huge, like, unapologetic kind of geek.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes.

[Sam Allen]

And. And I identify with him like that. And so the concert itself was just. We don't care. Everyone was dressed ridiculously.

[Kim Holderness]

My face hurt from smiling.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Because everybody there is a huge nerd.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Like, we're all huge nerds. And he's just. I love that somebody that identifies as, like, a weird nerd is. Continues to have so much success in pop culture.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

I just. I think it's amazing not to.

[Sam Allen]

Not to do too much inside baseball, but we. They had this, like, group of people who were friends of Weird Al. Our friend is an actual friend of his. That's how we got to.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, yeah. Alex Lacamore.

[Sam Allen]

And so we're waiting with Alex, and there were two groups in front of us, and the first group was Daniel Radcliffe.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes.

[Sam Allen]

Who was a huge. He's. He played Weird Al in the movie, but he brought all of his friends, and they were all, like, freaked out for, I mean, the chance to meet him.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

And then the second, I don't know the guy's name, but in Napoleon Dynamite, the guy who plays like, Rex Kwondo, and he's so funny. He. He and I got to talking, and he was. It was like talking to someone like a teenager who was about to meet Harry Styles.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

He was so pumped about the chance to, like, say hello to him.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

So what he, like, all these, like, real celebrities. The. The amount of, like, fanning and standing that's going on with them was actually really cool.

[Kim Holderness]

I don't think we're done with concert if Weird Al continues to tour, which he's touring until September. So if he's coming to your town, you should check it out. I think you should go.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, we did get a chance to meet him. He's super nice.

[Kim Holderness]

So gracious.

[Sam Allen]

He's 65, and he was doing, like, leg kicks that were about to hit his face. Like, he's unbelievably limber. And he was so polite and so nice to us.

[Kim Holderness]

And so obviously there's a lot of commotion if you do one of these, like, meet and greets. He was so gracious. And Penn, my sweet husband, was a little. I could tell he's, like, a little nervous, but he wanted to, like, it was all fun and, like, we're talking about the concert, we're talking about all this stuff, and it was, like, very jovial and. But Penn really wanted to say his piece before he left. I mean. Cause we might not talk to him ever again. You know, we might not get the opportunity. And so it was really cute you. How you were just like. And you said it, like, as we were walking out the door.

[Sam Allen]

I. I told him that I. I am able to do what I do because of him. And, like. And it's a fun job that I love, and it's Brings me happiness every day. And none of it's possible without him. And he did the like. Like, I. I think he was like, what?

[Kim Holderness]

Who are you?

[Sam Allen]

What do you know what I do? Like, what? And I guess he has seen some of our stuff, so maybe that makes sense.

[Kim Holderness]

And that's what he said. I mean, who knows if he.

[Sam Allen]

Maybe he had, like, a little.

[Kim Holderness]

And they do, like, rolling over videos.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, I don't care.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, it's.

[Sam Allen]

I don't care if he, like, it does not matter to me.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, on the last line, we are getting a lot of good. Are we done with suggestions? We got this. Are we done with. From Carol. Carol says, I feel like I'm done with roller skating. I'm very active, but afraid if I skate or even ride a bike, I'll fall and break a hip or something. So are we done with, like, things with wheels?

[Sam Allen]

No, but things on our feet with wheels. Yes. I'm done. Hey, Carol. I'm done with roller skating. I'm done with ice Skating. I'm done with anything where.

[Kim Holderness]

Listen, that's a blade. That's not a wheel.

[Sam Allen]

That's worse.

[Kim Holderness]

So I have to say, I have an incredible sense of balance.

[Sam Allen]

You sure do, hon.

[Kim Holderness]

But I've never. I'm not. I'm not prepared to say I'm done with anything. But I've also never been super into roller skating. Like, since the seventh grade, I was, like, super into roller skating because, like, the Stardust Skate Rink was, like, the only way I could hang out, and you. And you had to, like, move your hips, like, to go backwards. So since then, I've not been really into roller skating.

[Sam Allen]

I'm really impressed that Carol is even asking this question. I assume that we were all done with roller skating after fourth grade, like, right around when. When you said. So there's not a lot of skate parks just popping up right now. Are. What are there. Is it. Are they coming back?

[Penn Holderness]

Sam, Roller skating is back.

[Kim Holderness]

No, roller skating is back. That was, like, Sam's Covid hobby for a minute.

[Penn Holderness]

That was one of the many hobbies that I tried over Covid.

[Sam Allen]

Do they play, like, retro intro music? No.

[Penn Holderness]

Like, I think that a lot of people are using it for exercise.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

I will say we do have a friend. Shout Out Keddie, who is doing such a good job. Like, I feel like she started, like, tap dancing recently.

[Sam Allen]

She's a roller girl.

[Kim Holderness]

She stopped that. But she, I think, like, in her 40s, like, mid to late 40s, joined, like, a roller derby, which used to.

[Sam Allen]

Be, like, professional wrestling meets, team meets, racing around a circle in, like, Dorton Arena. Right?

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And so I. I never got to go see her, but she'd make Facebook posts around it, and I just love that. I think her thing was, like, I have all these pads on, and then just went out and, like, killed it. Yeah, I. I couldn't. I could never. So you let us know in comments. Are you done with things with wheels? I say no biking.

[Sam Allen]

I am done with anything with wheels on your wheels attached to my feet. Skateboarding, roller skating. I'm gonna loop in ice skating. It's just doesn't.

[Penn Holderness]

It doesn't be done with skateboarding. Tony Hawk.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, my God. He gets Tony Hawk most days.

[Penn Holderness]

Okay, so I do have one comment to add.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

My Auntie Susie called me. She's a big fan of the show.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, hi, Auntie Susie.

[Penn Holderness]

And I know that we've already changed the name of this segment, but she had a suggestion.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

Been there, done that.

[Sam Allen]

I'm fine with Been there, done that. I Think it's really funny. We. As long as we're cool with just admitting that we are actually done with it.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm done with nothing.

[Sam Allen]

Okay. So that's not going to work.

[Kim Holderness]

I don't like to be told what to do.

[Sam Allen]

Right.

[Kim Holderness]

Today we're going to take some voicemails on the laugh line.

[Sam Allen]

Call us up and you tell us what's on your mind.

[Kim Holderness]

Let's hear from Elle, who was upset about a compliment.

[Caller]

I was at my son's wedding, and one of his friends came over and told me I was a smoke show. I had no idea what it meant. I actually got upset. I thought it was derogatory. I guess he was giving me a compliment. I felt so old at that time.

[Sam Allen]

So elf maybe thought smoke show meant like a chain smoker or something like that.

[Kim Holderness]

No, that's a compliment.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah. Smoke show is like. That's a 10.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. I have to say, though, my kids do say things, and I do question if they're making fun of me because they'll say things about me or to me, then look at each other and laugh. So I do assume I get what Elle's saying because I do assume that my kids are mostly just making fun of me.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, for sure. And so Elle, also, I. I don't want to burst your bubble here, but I think smoke show is like, four generations ago of a compliment. Right. Like, smoke show was used in the, like, early zeros, maybe even in the 90s. I've used it for a while. What are some of. Some of the new terms that people use? Like, what's the new smoke show? Is that like a snack? Snacky.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. And here's the thing. I know we're not supposed to, as women, really compliment. It's not supposed to be. I don't love that we make comments on women's appearance, good or bad. Like, I know we're supposed to be just neutral about it, really, like.

[Sam Allen]

And.

[Kim Holderness]

But I just occasion. No, I mean, but I do love a compliment.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah. Why can't we tell people they're beautiful or.

[Kim Holderness]

I don't think it's harmful.

[Sam Allen]

Men and women.

[Kim Holderness]

No, no. I don't think it's necessarily harmful. I think it's harmful if that's the only thing that we're saying to somebody. Because especially as a woman, I don't know why genetically we're so sensitive to this. But if I. If all I had was beauty, looks, whatever, then as I age, all of that stuff. I mean, I look in the mirror and I feel very different. I look Very different. But I have self worth on other things than it's then. Not everything is tied to how I look. And I'm sorry, Gen Xers, like we. I love that the generation of women right now has this body neutrality and body positivity. But we did not have that. We had get in shape girl. I'm sorry.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Do you remember getting shape girl?

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, but that's different. That's. That's shaming people into looking a certain way.

[Kim Holderness]

Like, well, that's saying that two very young girls you need to like. Your value is to look good. So there was no get in shape boy. There was no weights and jump ropes. It was only for girls.

[Sam Allen]

Don't body shame people. Neutrality is a great thing. I just. Maybe I'll get canceled for this.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, I love it. Anything, any.

[Sam Allen]

We need that. We need a music for that. Maybe I'll get canceled for this.

[Kim Holderness]

When somebody starts a sentence with, I don't mean to be racist, but like.

[Sam Allen]

That'S gonna be racist.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, I know. Like the next thing you say is 100% racist. So when you start a sentence with I'm probably gonna get canceled.

[Sam Allen]

Maybe I'll get canceled for this.

[Kim Holderness]

Then I get a little scared. Okay, what you got?

[Sam Allen]

I think we're taking it too far not being able to tell people that they look beautiful. I think I. I think that it makes it easier if you're. And less creepy if I'm not just saying that about like young women. And I don't normally. I usually hold my tongue when I see like someone who's attractive, who's young or even like your age because I'm married to you and I love you. But like, if I see a good looking guy, I did this at a birthday last week and I'm like, our bartender is handsome as shit. And I said it out. Really? Really. I think the bartender heard me when I said it. I don't think he minded.

[Kim Holderness]

And yeah, you. I appreciate beautiful women and beautiful men. So, I mean, again, it's been so programmed in my head. So if somebody says, wow, you look really good, that's still something that I value. And I wish I didn't. I. What I've tried to say to both of my kids is you, like, you are exuding confidence right now. You look so happy right now. Your smile is like, I've been trying to.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah, but how do I look?

[Kim Holderness]

I know.

[Sam Allen]

I don't think this conversation's over. I think the fact that we just had it. I can't wait to hear what other people Say, and I do want to learn the right way to do this. I just want to make sure that there's still space for it.

[Kim Holderness]

What about confusion the other way? Dan called about confusing. Gen Z.

[Caller]

Saw your Facebook post about when you figured out you were cringe. I got one for you. I was talking. I'm a millennial, by the way. I was talking about Nine Inch Nails to a co worker one time, said something about Trent Reznor or some song and she's like, wait, what are you talking about about? And she asks, are you talking about actual nails? Like with the hammer? At that moment, I think I about psychologically passed away.

[Sam Allen]

Especially since that's one of the greatest bands ever to come out of our generation. Like it's.

[Kim Holderness]

It is really sad how our children have not been educated on grunge. On grunge. Well, just a lot of things. Like I think our, our kids asked recently, there was somebody, they asked if. If this person was still alive. Like was it Michael Jackson maybe? They asked. And so like, how do you not know these things?

[Sam Allen]

I'll tell you this. We need these victories every once in a while because most of our lives are spent not understanding what the younger people are doing. And so we can use our ed age as an advantage because they weren't alive for this. There's no reason they should know what it is. But yeah, those moments are precious to me, especially for something like Nine Inch Nails, which guys, they're still touring and they. Trent sounds awesome. Can I say that wasn't your band?

[Kim Holderness]

I know that wasn't my band.

[Sam Allen]

You don't like super over the top?

[Kim Holderness]

I was into salt and pepper.

[Sam Allen]

That's fine.

[Kim Holderness]

We had a really fun episode called Ask a Gen Z and we had people write in to tell us when they knew they were cringe. We got this late note from heather.

[Sam Allen]

I have one 13 year old son. Our house is the house that all the kids are at. 24, 7.

[Kim Holderness]

Love it.

[Sam Allen]

And I spend a lot on drinks slash snacks slash food, I would imagine, right? All the kids are there. The one thing that makes me mad is when I see empty water bottles or snack wrappers on my lawn from them. One day I had a weak moment and yelled at them, if you guys don't stop throwing this stuff all over the place, I'm gonna smash you dead silence. Horrified faces. Not because of her threat, because she learned that smash now means something different than what Gen X used used it as. Yes, that is cringe.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, so let me translate what smash means now.

[Sam Allen]

When a man loves A woman. Very much so.

[Kim Holderness]

Smash. There was a trend called smash or pass. Like, who would you want to have intimate relations with versus I don't know.

[Sam Allen]

Why I knew she was gonna say relations there.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes. I would imagine you have a lot of horrified teenage boys at your place, but also smash you.

[Sam Allen]

But also, it's so funny. Like, I'm. The cringe part is. Is fine. Also, if some punk kid leaves wrappers and waters on my front lawn, I lose my.

[Kim Holderness]

You're gonna smash them.

[Sam Allen]

I think I'm at that age now where, like, just when I see that, and I think, okay, you guys got our house, got our food, got anything, and then you left this on my front lawn. Yeah, I think.

[Kim Holderness]

But also, to be the house that everybody goes to is kind of cool. Yeah, that's, like, huge. Yeah, that's a huge compliment as a mom to be the house everybody goes to.

[Sam Allen]

So, Heather, your story about smash was fantastic. Almost as bad as Kim's mom calling into our first episode with marriage advice that almost caused a medical event for Katie.

[Kim Holderness]

So my. My mother's marriage advice was basically smash a lot.

[Sam Allen]

Don't pass.

[Kim Holderness]

Don't pass, Smash. Okay, Katie, what do you got?

[Caller]

I had. I tell you, I listened to one of your first episodes about your 20 years of marriage. And, Kim, when your mom came on the line and she gave the sex advice, I was driving and taking a drink at the same time, and I just. I just lost it in a mouth. But absolutely hilarious.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, just don't drink and drive, Katie.

[Sam Allen]

And listen.

[Kim Holderness]

And listen to my mom talk about smashing. Well, I'm glad you enjoyed that episode that it was in. You know, so my. In my mom's defense. And then obviously she saw it. She didn't realize it was going to be played. She thought it was just gonna be like we were gonna listen to them. So I think we need to be clearer about. If you call in, there is a potential. We're gonna use your voice.

[Sam Allen]

I would say most. I think most people have picked up on that.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes. But that was, like, the first kind of call in check.

[Sam Allen]

Was your mom upset or was she.

[Kim Holderness]

No, no, but she did not anticipate.

[Penn Holderness]

Maybe we need to change the voicemail and put a disclaimer.

[Sam Allen]

It's already so old that we're having people call a landline, and I think it makes it even older if it's a landline with a voicemail.

[Kim Holderness]

No, we. Disclaimer is safe.

[Sam Allen]

Okay.

[Penn Holderness]

Say whatever you say will can and.

[Kim Holderness]

Be used against you on the court of laugh lines. On the Court of laugh lines. We need to have judge laugh lines, like Judge Judy, where I rule on things.

[Sam Allen]

Oh, you're the judge.

[Kim Holderness]

I'm the judge.

[Sam Allen]

Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

Robin has a question for me about the hill I'll die on.

[Caller]

I gotta tell you, Kim, you clearly have never been somewhere parked and had a dead battery, because once that happens to you. Once happened to me at the airport one time. And it is so hard for somebody to get to your vehicle in order to jump start your vehicle for you that I back up a lot.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, so let's back up. Robin, thank you for your call. I just have an issue in a crowded parking lot with people pausing to back up their giant cars that take up 12 spaces. I have heard it, like, I. I might be canceled by that. There's. There are people that are still messaging me, very passionate about how wrong I am. But, Robin, you make a really fair point. I. I still think if it's a busy parking lot, I'm gonna roll the dice on my battery. If there's nobody there. A hundred percent, you do you. And I. I totally see how that would be impossible for somebody else to help me out or AAA to get there. That would be very hard.

[Sam Allen]

I back my car in every chance I get. I try not to do it when someone's behind me, so that's that. That solves the problem. But she's right about that. But also, just, it's safer.

[Kim Holderness]

And I will tell you that I think we actually lost listeners and followers.

[Sam Allen]

Because of your backing in.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. We have made. I mean, we make our politics pretty known and that it's fine. People, like, don't unsubscribe. Whatever this is. More people are more passionate about backing into parking spots than, like, the 2024 election. Correct.

[Sam Allen]

Okay.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. Then, like, basic human rights.

[Sam Allen]

All right, so we're getting to know our audience. That's important. I think those of you who stayed, thank you.

[Kim Holderness]

Thank you. We are getting ready to hang up our new bird feeder. Our previous bird feeder was attacked and eaten by squirrels. Feather Snap actually sent us a new one. So I'm super excited to put that up. But we got a word of caution from Callie about the squirrels.

[Caller]

My father is also an avid bird feeder, and he once accidentally bred a master race of squirrels. He got a humane trap where he put food in it. Squirrels go in and get caught. And then he would take it out into the country to let it go. But what happened was he called all the dumb squirrels, and the smart ones learned to band together, and instead of getting caught, they would hold the trap open for each other and one of them would go in and scoop all the food out and then they could all eat it.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, my Lord.

[Sam Allen]

I'm on Team Squirrel. Natural selection. I wonder how long it took him to figure that out. But that. Kids, for those of you who aren't sure about evolution, there it is.

[Kim Holderness]

Survival of the fittest.

[Sam Allen]

Natural selection. I would love to know if there's an actual squirrel feeder that we can get. Like, where.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, my.

[Sam Allen]

Like, where the birds aren't invited? No, the squirrels have been like, they've been caught. Callie's father took these squirrels that were just looking for food and displaced them from their homes. I'm like the only person on the squirrel side here.

[Kim Holderness]

Finally, the cutest call ever from Susan and Addie about last week's show.

[Caller]

Hey, this is Susan and Addie and we're from Washington State and we wanted to call to tell you we need more PC. We loved your PC podcast and more Gen Z content. We're a elder millennial and a gen Alpha and we are really enjoying listening to your podcast and we needed, like another 30 minutes of PC. He was great. He got us through the abysmal traffic jam we were sitting in, which means.

[Sam Allen]

They may not have even seen PC. They just heard.

[Kim Holderness]

They heard PC. They didn't even see him.

[Sam Allen]

Maybe they didn't see his 10 gallon cowboy hat that he wearing in his. His blazer that he refused to unbutton. So it rid, like, all the way up the.

[Kim Holderness]

I know some people were like, why didn't you tell him to unbutton his jacket?

[Sam Allen]

I'm like, guys, yeah, we're not messing with him.

[Kim Holderness]

He's wearing a blazer and he's normally in basketball shorts with, like, uncombed hair. So like, he put on a blazer.

[Sam Allen]

He's talking to a pitcher during a no hitter.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, like, we're not messing with that. I agree. And he really enjoyed it. So we did ask him, but he had. He's been asking all summer. He has been helping, you know, just like, little. If Penn and I have to shoot something, he's been helping out. He really loves the production process of our two kids. I could see him trying to do something like this.

[Sam Allen]

He's got a level of comfort talking on camera that he doesn't necessarily have off camera. It's wild. It, like, slows him down and evens him out. And it's. It was. I was sitting there watching him sometimes, like me when I was his age, he gets so excited. He'll like, he, he'll, I won't be able to understand him. And the lights came on and it was, it was like somebody had trained him to do this. It was freaky.

[Penn Holderness]

Amy and I have both handed him our resumes, letting him know that if he'd like to keep the same team.

[Kim Holderness]

Yes, we're available when we age out. I will say, I think what, you know, Penn and I talk about this often because I think we will always want to do something. And we've joked that we're going to have this podcast that's not even going to be plugged in. We're going to be in the old folks home and like we're just gonna be talking to nobody. So I always want to be doing something but I could see it become sort of like a multi generational thing. Like PC's posting stuff, we're posting empty Nestor stuff, he's doing stuff. Lola, meanwhile, is like running a law firm, trying to represent. She, she does, she just wants nothing to do with this, I think. Or she could go. I think she's fascinated by entertainment law.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

So maybe she becomes our agent. Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

When we get canceled for talking about backing cars into parking lots, Addie, call.

[Kim Holderness]

In and give us some Gen Alpha sayings. Tell us some topics that we should be talking about. Okay. More on this after these words.

[Sam Allen]

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[Sam Allen]

Addie in honor of you, we're going to end the show with one of our favorite segment what the Gen Zers are saying. And in this case we're going to do what the Gen Zers are doing. There's apparently something called the Gen Z stare.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah, I. I've been seeing this. People talking about this on Tik Tok. So just basic definition. It's a blank, deadpan stare that zoomers sometimes give. I don't know if I love zoomers for Gen Z because it's a play on boomers, but they did spend a lot of time on Zoom during the pandemics, but it still feels a little condescending. Anyway, are you trying to do the Gen Z stare right now? I think it's. I think you still have too much emotion in your face.

[Sam Allen]

Really? Okay, hang on. I don't know how to be emotionless in my stare.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Sam Allen]

Have you seen this stare from our children?

[Kim Holderness]

It's hard to tell if it's the Gen Z stare or if they're just really tired. Okay. So it's not something I've noticed, but I have seen examples of this on TikTok where I get all my news and the Internet is divided. I mean, Gen Z saying that sometimes they're just processing or that silence is sometimes an acceptable response, or they don't really care. The older generations, the olds, are saying it's rude and that they've lost this sort of soft skill development during COVID I will say this is a hot topic in our house because Covid was good for nobody. But I think where it hit our kids in particular, there were some of those, like, social skills that they just didn't get a chance to practice. So what we say over and over again in our house that I think Oprah first said is you are responsible for the energy you bring into the room. I do think silence sometimes is an okay response. I think if somebody says something incredibly rude, you don't owe them a response. But there are moments where it seems like kids aren't there sometimes Kids aren't really even trying to participate in the conversation. So what we've. We felt like we have needed to add because they didn't get that opportunity is here's how you have a conversation. So I ask you something, then you ask me something, I say something, you. You continue on that instead of changing the subject to something you want to talk about. So I don't know. I think there are just some skills that it is not their fault, but I think there are some skills that Gen Z is lacking socially.

[Sam Allen]

Okay, I'm gonna. Yes. And here. And I might get canceled for this. So maybe I'll get canceled for this. Can we not blame everything on Covid? Covid caused us to be stuck in our homes.

[Kim Holderness]

Right.

[Sam Allen]

That part definitely sucked. When it came to some social development when it came to kids, the fact that the only way you could learn school was on a computer, I could see how that leads to some sort of addiction on screens and, like, lack of attention. But during COVID the world was around you still. You could walk outside, you could go on walks. You could have one on one conversations with the people who are in your house.

[Kim Holderness]

No, you're right. You're right. I think that I, as a mom, I don't want it to be my fault that my kids can't actually carry on a conversation. I want it to be somebody else's fault and somebody else's Covid. So. And I will say my kids are. You heard, PC did this whole podcast. So it's not like he's bad at it, but I will say, because of his ADHD and because I think that when Covid hit for him, there is some back and forth that I think we need to work on. And maybe it's not Covid, maybe it's just life skills, but we're.

[Sam Allen]

We're parenting and Covid was. Was four years ago. Right. And like, we've had plenty of time to say eyes up. Answer this question.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah. That is a big. We teach a presentation skills class. Just. There's. My son's school has this like, cute leadership academy, and they have us come in for a half hour. And there are some basic things, like when you're talking to your teacher or a potential boss or your parents make eye contact.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

Like when you walk into a room, don't have your head down on a phone. Like, there's some basic social stuff that these kids heard for the first time.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah. And it's. And he's working on it. So I guess what I'm saying is, like, instead of blaming Covid. Blame me. Like am I doing a good enough job like showing my kid how to, how to communicate with people?

[Kim Holderness]

You and I don't do a great job because we run a business from our phone and I think a lot of people do. I think a lot of people are self employed or they're working from their phone and working from home. I don't do a great job of. I will get a ding, there'll be an alert. I have to give feedback on something and I will be in conversation with him and then stop and do that, which is not good. I will say we, I think we give a lot of grace to our kids and Gen Z. I think they're great. But yeah, it sounds like we're complaining a bit and every generation there's something to complain about.

[Sam Allen]

Yep.

[Kim Holderness]

Gen X, I think we were the first ones to have screens, Atari's and such.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah. And like Atari was great. Atari like I had a lot of fun with when the Nintendo Entertainment System came out.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay.

[Sam Allen]

Full on addiction. Really to that game system? Yes. It was like just a little bit brighter and a little bit more. They're like there were, there were games that, that took time and thought like adventure games like Z Zelda and then like Mario Brothers was an example of like a fast twitch board like game that also had like strategy and a story with it and like forget about it. I would blackout and not know how long I was playing.

[Kim Holderness]

It's so interesting. I want somebody to study our generation because obviously tons of boomer presidents and then we have currently like JD Vance I think is a millennial in office. I don't think we've had a. I don't think we've had a Gen Xer in the executive office. I don't. I think we have some Gen Xers in the Senate. We definitely have some, you know, Jeff Bezos and like we have some, some Gen Xers that are industry leaders. But by and large I think Gen X, at our core we just really want to be home playing Atari. Really? And we're like, you know what? Y' all figure it out. I think we, we've been blamed for a lot of just like, like being so passive. But I think at our core we just really want to drink our Orange Julius and play Super Mario.

[Sam Allen]

I think it's the, it's almost like the inevitability of an older generation to look at a younger generation and feel hopeless because it doesn't seem like they're doing stuff like you wanted them to.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

And the bottom Line is they're not gonna do stuff different. They'll probably end up doing it better.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay. I think I feel like we should wrap up. We have been Chitty Chatty. Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

That's what. It's a podcast. Were you hoping just to sit here and not say anything?

[Kim Holderness]

Are you so proud I didn't cry? I really was feeling my feels this morning.

[Sam Allen]

Yeah.

[Kim Holderness]

So.

[Sam Allen]

Well, this is a. This is a tough season in your life, and you're managing it about as.

[Kim Holderness]

Well as I finally asked Penn. I'm like, how are you doing? Because I've been just, like, trauma dumping.

[Sam Allen]

Not great.

[Kim Holderness]

And he's not doing great.

[Sam Allen]

I had a panic attack this week.

[Kim Holderness]

Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

So it turns out, try to keep it on the DL, But I. I.

[Kim Holderness]

For some reason, I'm like, no, I'm the mother. It hits me more. No, you. Yeah.

[Sam Allen]

We all got plenty of stuff going on. That's why this is this. I love this hour that I get to spend with you and Sam. No, I do. Like, I love that Sam's here. I didn't mean it that way.

[Kim Holderness]

And Steve and Sam.

[Sam Allen]

And Sam just to kind of take inventory of what's going on in our lives. And you guys have to listen to it. Sorry.

[Kim Holderness]

At the time of this recording, you guys, Lola will have started school.

[Sam Allen]

So whatever. We're, like, right now. We're not like that in real life.

[Kim Holderness]

I mean, I've been trying to be transparent about it. And she's ready. It's almost offensive how ready she is. Like, she is so excited. I'm like, I get it. You're ready, but it irritates you how ready she is. And she is so excited to leave. But there is a little thing that I am worried about, which is, like, we have a lot of crap to drive. Eight hours.

[Sam Allen]

Oh, no, that's my job.

[Kim Holderness]

I know, but the Tetris, that is going to be required. We're having to rent a bigger car.

[Sam Allen]

It's. It's not going to fit in the car. It's. This is. The stuff is not going to fit in the car. I went down to look at it. First of all, it's all in boxes.

[Kim Holderness]

I know. We'll take them out of the boxes.

[Sam Allen]

Okay. But they're still. The boxes are mostly full of things. It's. We need a trailer.

[Kim Holderness]

No, honey, we're. No, we're not going to do it.

[Sam Allen]

We're going to find out if we need a trailer.

[Kim Holderness]

Stay tuned to Laugh Lines.

[Sam Allen]

You guys, you and Lola have done a wonderful job, and I've not done much of this getting the stuff. As the person who's transporting the stuff. I'm telling you, we don't have enough room for the stuff.

[Kim Holderness]

I think there's a solution.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Sam Allen]

And I'm like, if it's. If there's going to be room in a car, I'm going to find it, Sam. Like, I'm actually very good at the Tetris.

[Kim Holderness]

If you guys are still listening, thank you. Leave us a comment screenshot. Send it to us. I love some DMs on the old Instagram. Okay.

[Sam Allen]

Laugh Lines is written and produced by Kim Holderness, Pen Holderness and Ann Marie. Should I do it in a different voice? We should do this differently every time. How should I read the credits? Should I read it as what kind of accent?

[Kim Holderness]

I think if we're gonna get canceled, it's gonna be, I might get canceled.

[Sam Allen]

For this, but I'm gonna read this in a haughty British accent.

[Kim Holderness]

Oh, you can't. Yeah, you can't cancel the British or like, the British can't cancel.

[Sam Allen]

Lovelines is written and produced by Pen Holderness, Kim Holderness and Ann Marie T. Tapke with original music by Pen Holderness. It is filmed, edited and live produced by Samantha Allen and hosted by acast. As always, we love to hear from you. I'm getting more into like super hottie. As always, we love to hear from you. Please write to us@podcast theholdernessfamily.com or leave a voicemail at 323-364-3929 and we will talk to you soon on the Love Lines.

[Kim Holderness]

Well done. I cannot do an accent cuz everything sounds Jamaican and therefore is like racial. It's like, no, I can't is written.

[Sam Allen]

And produced by Tim Holiness.

[Kim Holderness]

Everything comes out like I'm trying to do an Irish accent and I sound.

[Sam Allen]

Ah. Lifelines is written and pro. SP Holderness, Kim Holderness and Lou and Mar Tapi with original music by Sam Allen. Always after me lucky charms. I do good accents. Give me another more accents. I'll do it every week.

[Kim Holderness]

He does well French, obviously.

[Sam Allen]

Love Lines is written and produced by Kim Olderness. Russian Love Lines is written and produced by Kim Holderness, Pen Holderness, and with original music Australia. Oh, that's a tough one. All right. Laugh Lines is written and produced by.

[Kim Holderness]

Kim Held in this so impressive of Canadian.

[Sam Allen]

Oh, yeah, laugh. Laugh Lines is all about being in the family.

[Kim Holderness]

Okay, okay, we're done. Okay, bye.

[Penn Holderness]

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[Penn Holderness]

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