Host 2 (possibly Karen) (3:16)

I hope so too.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (3:16)

Not paying too much attention while you're driving. And of course, the official weapon of the show is folding chair, an unofficial sport, and bullet ball extreme. And we're not here alone.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (3:29)

No, we are not.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (3:30)

For those of you who did peek at the screen or you're listening later and you see the show description, we have a guest, a first time guest on the show. Today's guest is a comedian and host of the Laugh With Me podcast, also a member of the Inflection Network, which we work with on iHeartRadio. It's Jeremy Odom. What's up, man?

Jeremy Odom (3:53)

Hey, thanks for having me. When you were saying, hopefully just listen to audio, I'm like, man, I hope my face isn't that bad. Like, oh.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (4:03)

No, no, never that. Only when they're driving, man. I just am like, listen, I don't care how beautiful we are, let's all keep our eyes on the road. We need all our listeners making it home, you know?

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (4:15)

Yeah.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (4:15)

Saf? Yes, Jeremy? How long have you been doing this podcast? Laugh with Me.

Jeremy Odom (4:21)

So the podcast has been going for almost two years, so about a year and a half now.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (4:27)

Congratulations. What was the impetus to start it? Like, what, what made you want to get into podcasting?

Jeremy Odom (4:34)

Well, I. I'm. I may not. I don't know if you think I'm looking young or not. A lot of people do. Maybe it's just the red haired jeans, but I'm in my 40s and when I was in college, I was in radio communications, and that was my, like, passion. And I left that almost immediately after college just because I kept getting promoted in the grocery industry. And it was just. It was easy for my family, you know, it was like, all right, I'm not gonna get moved around and get fired because they want to switch the country or, you know, whatever. Whatever it is in the radio industry. And. And so I went in the grocery industry and I started running grocery stores. And then podcasting came around and I'm like, man, I. I know I could do that. I know it would be fun. It's something I could do at home. It's something I could create the format. I want to worry about getting fired because the format switched. I Can fire myself. I want to. And I always toiled around in my head. Then in 2019, I made the decision to just walk away from grocery altogether. And takes a lot of the stories that I had accumulated over the years, working with people, working around people, at times against people. You know, I've taken a pepper spray to the face, you know, over a birthday, you know, things like that. I was like, you know what? I can tell these stories.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (5:56)

Very dangerous.

Jeremy Odom (5:57)

Finally do the podcasting thing. So I. I jumped in and, you know, that's been. It's been. It's been a few years now. So, yeah, it's been a lot of fun.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (6:06)

Can you tell us about the cake pepper spray story?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (6:09)

What happened with that?

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (6:11)

How we get okay from happy to so for real.

Jeremy Odom (6:16)

So I don't know if you guys felt the same thing, but, like, in 2020, when the world started to shut down a little bit, you know, we've got Covid and all that, people. People lost their minds. And it was like, face to face with it at the grocery store. I mean, people. If it wasn't because of wearing masks, it was, you know, because of hours, operation, changing, if it was, you know, whatever it was, there was something, and they were worked up about it. And it got to a point where then over the months of being home a lot or not, whatever it was, people started to feel very entitled. And it got to a point that people were just outright filling grocery carts worth of stuff. I mean, people are always shoplifting, right? That's always a thing. I mean, that's been dealing with that forever. People were just filling up carts and then just straight up walking out. I mean, literally, it wasn't even about hiding it anymore. I mean, they would wave on the way out, like it was just a whole thing. And so I would try to stop them, you know, to.

Webroot Advertiser (7:18)

To an extent.

Jeremy Odom (7:19)

I mean, you have to be safe. And then as things started to escalate in 2020, it became very unsafe to levels that we'd never seen before. Well, this particular one, it was a grocery cart full. There was a big old birthday cake on top, and this lady, she. She rolls right out. And I'm like, hey, you know, you didn't pay for it. Let's bring the cart back in. She's like, no, I'm good. And she starts to go, well, I put my hand on the cart, and I'm like, here's the deal. I'm taking my groceries. I'm not calling the cops. Just. Right, we're not doing this today, right? She Turns around from her purse with a pepper spray and just starts soaking me.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (7:55)

Oh, my God, So good.

Jeremy Odom (7:57)

My face. Now I had turned my face because I could see her pulling something out. So I was like, well, whatever it is, I don't want to take straight to the face. I turn my face, she gets all of this. But at that time, I had longer hair because I was going through a phase. You know, I had longer hair, and so it kind of blocked a lot of that pepper spray. But it was windy out and the wind was taking my hair, and it was just taking that pepper spray. And I'm like, give me that cart. And I'm just trying to, you know, block the spray. In the end, she emptied the can. I could still see. So she knew she was in trouble. So she took off, run into the neighborhood. I got my car, called the cops. Was just like, here's the deal. I'm covered in pepper spray.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (8:42)

And.

Jeremy Odom (8:42)

Right. I learned that in the process, you clean, you know, clean yourself off or whatever, obviously. But it's the next day that's the most dangerous because when you wash it again the next day, it will reactivate.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (8:58)

Oh.

Jeremy Odom (8:59)

And it will then get in your eyes. I didn't know that. Luckily, that's. I called the police because I debated calling the police, and I'm not following her. Poor. She ran away. I'm so happy I did because they warned me about it reactivating and it.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (9:12)

Would have been a whole thing the next day. Yeah. I heard you can, like, put milk on your face and your eyes and all that stuff to help get it out. It's so interesting in a couple of levels. I watch. We watch this show on Hulu sometimes. It's called Customer Wars.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (9:28)

Yes.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (9:28)

And all it is is a collection of videos of just people losing their minds, losing their. In like, different places, whatever, Airplanes, you know, like, they have different themes. Even where it's like travel and then it's like. And they got like, you know, SN announcer guy. You know, I was like, every day in The United States, 475, 000 people get on an airplane. But the amount of videos that are just straight up from the last like two to three years. And it's like just that period of the pandemic. Like.

Jeremy Odom (10:04)

Yes.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (10:04)

Like, not even really before or after. It's like this was a time when the world was freaking the out and going to the grocery store to get your groceries could be an adventure. And. And suddenly it was, and you had to face that.

Jeremy Odom (10:20)

Yeah.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (10:21)

I didn't even think about that people.

Jeremy Odom (10:24)

Like, we would, we would have displays in the front lobby, you know, with like 2 liter Pepsi, you know, they bought the space or whatever. And people were just taking razor blades and just slicing across. So now it's just like explosion of pop everywhere. And you look back and you're like, what do we do? This guy and you just, you watch him go through the store. They're just going through the store. I mean, people were just causing mayhem. And then like some of them didn't want to wear a mask. You'd have to go up to them, hey, make sure you put on a mask. And then they get in your face, like, what are you going to do about it? I'm like, I mean personally, I'm going to just tell you to wear a mask, right? I mean, if we got to take it outside, we can't. I'm just going to walk back inside. But like, I, I don't know. This is not worth it.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (11:05)

And also like the rules because I, Karen and I worked like public facing jobs. We were waiters. I remember working in this place called, the store was called Media Player out of is. No, no longer anymore. But it was kind of like a Best Buy before Best Buy. And so I remember working there for retail for Christmas. And they straight up told me in the training, like, look, if you see somebody still or something, like the alarm goes off, you can like say something to them. But like, if they like try to bust out the door, just let go. And I was like, okay, you know, like if that's what y' all want or whatever. And they were like, if you do go out the door and confront them and it gets physical or something, we will, we might fire you, we might call the police on you. I was like, oh, well, I'm definitely not going to be employee of the month. So when you went to stop that grocery cart, was any of that on your mind? Like, man, maybe I'll be the one getting in trouble even though I'm trying to stop a theft, right?

Jeremy Odom (12:10)

Oh yeah, no, that, that definitely runs through my mind. And, and certainly I would tell my staff, like, we're not chasing them. You know, go by the book, do this. In that particular instance, they had just gotten to the door. I, I generally can have a, an idea of whether or not they're working with somebody because sometimes they work in teams, right? This, this one was an instance where it was just the, the one person and I felt good about just grabbing the cart and just having a conversation. I didn't want to call the Cops, Right. But I would if I had to. I. I certainly was caught off guard with the pepper spray can. I didn't see that coming. But nobody. And it is in the training now, you know, don't. Don't go out the door. Don't chase them. Don't, you know, have any physical contact. I mean, over 20 years ago, we did have an instance where there was a whole team of us that went running through the door and chased a shoplifter into the neighborhood. Damn store. It was a whole thing. But that was a long time ago. We certainly wouldn't do anything today.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (13:14)

When I worked at Media Play, I remember one time, the security. I mean, the manager ran out after. So this is after they instructed me not to, by the way. And he put me. He put me by the door as, like, some type of deterrent. But, like, I. I know the training. I'm not like. I'm not a real. I'm more like a. Oh, that thing beat. Let me see. Okay, the tag is still on it. Let me go take the tag off for you. That's really the extent of that job. But, like, someone did steal something and he hauled ass out of the front door, like, chasing him like it was a cop movie. Like he was gonna get the suspect. And he ended up, like, rough wrestling with the guy in the parking lot. And the manager got beat up. And then he came.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (14:00)

And that's one reason why you don't go out there, right?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (14:04)

And then the second reason is because of my dark humor. I was just laughing. I couldn't stop laughing. Like I was only in college. And maybe I'm still not sure. I couldn't. I could stop laughing now, but I definitely couldn't at the time. And I. I mean, I was just making it worse. I was trying to. I was like, wait, did you just get beat up outside? He's like, we gotta call the police. I was like, why'd you go out there?

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (14:28)

Why did you go out there?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (14:29)

Like, we. We. You said we could get fired for that. You sure you wanna call the police and we. You might get fired or something.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (14:34)

He's, like, gonna be on the record.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (14:36)

Oh, man. It was just so funny. But. Yeah, it is. But it's so heat of the moment, too. Like, it's not the training and all that stuff. It sounds good on paper because. Or on the video. Because the video is perfect. Right? The videos. Hey, I'm stealing this thing. No, you're not. Okay, I'll put it back. Yeah, sorry. You know, but that's not how it goes in life.

Jeremy Odom (14:57)

Had that happen. By the way, they have never said, oh, you got me, and then ended it right back.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (15:01)

Yeah. No.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (15:03)

Said, my bad. I'll put this back on the shelf. And the thing is, you're talking about people and customers doing Covid. I remember when things kind of started reopening back up. Cause me and Roger stayed shut in for a while, so it probably was like, 2021. Like, after the vaccines came out, we started kind of slowly going to places. But when we did, we ate outside. You know what I'm saying? And things like that. And I didn't realize how bad it was until everywhere we went, all the people that served us was like, oh, my gosh, y' all so patient. Like, we would go to places, and they would, like, give us for free. Because they was like, you're not freaking out?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (15:44)

Crazy. We weren't being any different than we normally were.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (15:47)

Right.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (15:48)

We were like, before or after the pandemic? We're, you know, you're patient, you know. Plus, we worked in the service.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (15:54)

Yeah. So we understand. Like, I could look around and be like, oh, they're booked, or they do it. Like, I can kind of observe and see.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (15:59)

Yeah. I think a lot of stuff drove people a little crazy when we got our vaccinations for Covid. Like, and we still keep up with them. We still, like, get them every year or whatever. But even this year, which is. I mean, it's five years after the pandemic, but, I mean, after whatever you want. But it's five years later since the vaccines came out. And the guy this year was thanking us.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (16:23)

Yes.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (16:23)

He was like, oh, my God. You don't know how crazy people can get about this vaccine stuff. I was like, still, like, yeah, yeah. Because, like, either they get it or they don't. Like, who's coming in the grocery store to argue with you about vaccines in 2025, man, that. That ship is sale and complain.

Jeremy Odom (16:40)

Because, man, it's never changed. It has just moved on. And that's the way it is now.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (16:45)

Yes.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (16:46)

And it was. It was wild having that conversation with that pharmacist, because I was just saying common sense stuff. I was like, yeah. Because at first we went and they was like, you can get your. We can get one shot because we do our flu and Kobe shot at the same time. Because I was like, I'm not making two appointments. And so they was like, well, we. You can get one. They was like, well, you can get both. We was like, we can get both. So we said, yeah, let's. Let's do this. And I was like, well, just because you get the flu shot don't mean you won't catch the flu. And that dude looked at me like, oh, my gosh. I don't know how many times I told people that.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (17:22)

Like, like, yeah, or it was Covid, but yeah, it's the same. It works. Both. Both vaccines are the same, meaning you can be vaccinated. You can still get it. You might not get as sick as the plan. And he's just like, listening to us. Like, we're like, what? Who sent y'? All? Like, this is a. Is this a trick? That's. Nobody believes this. Everybody.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (17:41)

Nobody believes me when I tell them that. It don't mean you won't get sick. It just means you get less sick.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (17:47)

As a. Yeah, you guys got a.

Jeremy Odom (17:48)

Different mental download than the rest of the.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (17:50)

Yeah, the firmware updated.

Jeremy Odom (17:52)

It doesn't work. I got it. I got sick.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (17:55)

Yeah, exactly.

Jeremy Odom (17:56)

It's like, okay, right?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (17:58)

I'm like, man, what. What news shows y' all be watching? Also, I remember the other thing I discovered when I worked at Media Play and I was in like, loss prevention or whatever for a little bit. They also write off so much of the shop insurance. I think it's called like shrinkage or something. So, like, they have it insured. Like, so I was extra like, oh, I'm not dying for Media plays Beatles collection Christmas cd. Like, what the. Y', all. I'm a dying and y' all gonna write this out. That' up, man.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (18:30)

Yeah, they haven't.

Jeremy Odom (18:31)

Now, I will say it's not every company, but a lot of those bigger companies, like the ones, the. The grocery stores I was working for, they were self insured. So as much as that stuff was getting covered, a lot of it wasn't. And it was just coming off the bottom line. And as the store manager, it did impact how I was paid.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (18:50)

Right.

Jeremy Odom (18:52)

Me going after some of those shoplifters for some things was. Did have some personal gain there because I was looking out for my paycheck right now. I don't want my team doing that. It does not impact them at all. Right.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (19:03)

That's still. That's so weird that the incentives are set up that way. Like, that's so weird that they set up the incentives that way to be like, it comes, you know, it's gonna buy. It's gonna affect your numbers as a manager. Because I know when I was a waiter, some. Some companies would do this thing where like, if someone dies in dash, they try to take it out of your check.

Jeremy Odom (19:26)

Right.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (19:26)

Or if someone breaks it, like you drop dishes and they're like, you need to pay for that. And I was like, that just feels like the cost of business. That, like, that doesn't feel like a me. Personal failing.

Jeremy Odom (19:38)

Yeah. That shouldn't impact you. That's just them trying to pass the expense to you.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (19:43)

That's just trying to pass the expense.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (19:45)

And the other thing you reminded me of, I just recently watched this movie called Eddington. We're North Carolina film critics, so, like, we get all these screeners for all these movies and stuff at the end of the year to watch, to. To judge.

Jeremy Odom (19:58)

That's the one with the little British bear, right?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (20:00)

No, that's Paddington.

Jeremy Odom (20:03)

Oh, padding.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (20:04)

Yeah, I heard that's good. I haven't done. I haven't seen that. I heard that's. I heard that's Flames. But Eddington has Pedro Pascal, Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah. The cast is crazy, but is. It's essentially just a movie about how crazy everybody got during the pandemic. And it's uncomfortable to watch because it's not that long ago they have all the stuff you're talking about. The guys going in this grocery store and being. I ain't got to wear no mask. I can't breathe. And I'm just like, this is. Is this triggering me? What the. Is like.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (20:47)

Like, this bothering me?

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Host 1 (possibly Roger) (20:49)

Like, it's like. It's not like. It's weird to say, but, like, if I watch, like, a civil rights film from, like, the 60s or something, like. Well, that was a long time ago. You know, people were different or whatever. You know, maybe not as different as it feels today, but still, like, you can, like, put it like, this is in black and white. This was like, nah, that was Tuesday. That people was acting like that.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (21:09)

They were acting a fool yesterday.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (21:13)

Also with the. I. I saw you. Saw you say you're a comedian as well.

Jeremy Odom (21:19)

Yeah.

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Jeremy Odom (21:22)

All.

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Host 1 (possibly Roger) (21:34)

Yeah.

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Jeremy Odom (21:37)

Ah.

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Host 1 (possibly Roger) (25:33)

How were you doing comedy as well as working in the grocery industry? Or is that something you started afterwards?

Jeremy Odom (25:41)

So it was something I started afterwards. So in 2019 when I left, because I was working for this company from the time I was 14, so it was like 20, 20 years of service. And when I walked away, I was like, I need to do something different. I'm gonna, I'm gonna start to create this podcast and kind of see where that goes. So I started the process of creating it, but at the same time I was, I've always liked the idea of being able to go on stage and do something. You know, I, in high school I was in, is like nerdy, but I was in debate and I really, I didn't so much enjoy the research and the homework side of debate as much as I enjoyed the competing and the being in front and just talking and battling head to head with somebody. I really enjoyed that. And I was like, well, I could take some of these stories and maybe I can take that to the stage and make people laugh. I really enjoy making people laugh. And so yeah, I started. So that was right then, right at the beginning of 2020, I started to kind of learn what that's like and see what that looks like and then see how I could parlay that into the podcast and, and just kind of go from there.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (26:50)

Were you like, were you the funny guy at work or like, like, did you have any inclination to be like, y. This is what's next for me. I want to talk and make people laugh for a living.

Jeremy Odom (27:03)

No, I was. I was certainly the funny guy at work. I. I would. When I was growing up, this was obviously before I was the boss, but when I was growing up and, you know, working in, like, dairy, some nights I'd have to go work produce, and I'd be like, you know what? It's messed up that. That Dave gets to go do dairy. I like dairy, and I'm in produce. So I would go into the dairy cooler and I would just, like, hang like, a bag of potatoes or something from the middle of the cooler. And he would, you know. So I guess today people would think that's threatening, but I just thought it was fun. Right. And so he would walk in and he would see the bag of potatoes and be like, oh, Jeremy.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (27:41)

Right.

Jeremy Odom (27:42)

Or I would park a cart, you know, lodge them into the cooler door and just. You try to help do something. He's stuck.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (27:49)

I don't know.

Jeremy Odom (27:50)

It was just always trying to, you know, take a block of dry ice when somebody's doing, like, dishes in the three compartment sink and drop it in their water, and suddenly there's just smoke everywhere from the dry ice. Pranks like that. When I. When I was up front checking this was before I was old enough to ring up alcohol for customers, I. You know, you'd have to page the manager, and you would just. You'd get on there and you'd just say, like, you know, Tom, to register six for 19, because you had to be 19 to ring up alcohol. And I would go on there and I'd be like, 19 to register. And I would just hold. I would just pause for a good 15, 20 seconds, which is a lifetime.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (28:31)

Yes, it is.

Jeremy Odom (28:32)

Then say. Say where they needed to go. I don't know, just little things like that.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (28:36)

But meanwhile, the customer is probably sweating bullets. Like, what does this mean?

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (28:41)

What does that cold mean?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (28:43)

Why is it taking them so long to do I just want my alcoh? Yeah.

Jeremy Odom (28:48)

What I learned in that process was what's funny to me isn't funny to everybody.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (28:52)

Oh, yeah. I mean, absolutely. I mean, it's trial and error, you.

Jeremy Odom (28:55)

Know, I had to kind of evolve.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (28:57)

That quite a bit.

Jeremy Odom (28:58)

But so. Yeah, no, that's just kind of, I guess a few examples of.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (29:02)

Yeah. What I look back on when I would play. Back when. Back before the pandemic, when everybody was playing basketball together, I used to play basketball a lot, like four or five times a week. And you know, between games, when you're sitting, you know, you're making jokes, bus, and, you know, whatever, you just talking shit. And every once in a while, somebody like, man, you a comedian or something? I was like, no, I work in logistics. Like, I'm like, maybe this is a hint I should be trying to do something with this. People keep asking me that. But the other thing, too, is when you got into comedy, were there. Was there any crossover between, like, people that knew you as grocery guy and then people going, oh, I saw him at the comedy club, or I saw. I heard this podcast or anything like that?

Jeremy Odom (29:57)

Actually, what I had was people started to hear that I was, you know, out and. And doing shows, and they started to get nervous if. If they knew me from the grocery side, they were like, well, is he gonna bring up a story about me? And what's he gonna say? Like, right. So then the people I worked with were like, oh, I. I don't want to go there and then get roasted or something. Like, I. I would. Would hear that from some people, and I'm like, guys, you're good. Like, I'm not here to bring anybody down. I'm here to make people laugh.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (30:30)

And.

Jeremy Odom (30:30)

Right. If you were going to be part of the show, I'd certainly want to tell you that, you know.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (30:33)

Right.

Jeremy Odom (30:33)

So they started getting nervous. I don't know if they were just. What.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (30:38)

You know what I blame. I blame. I blame social media. When.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (30:44)

Yes.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (30:45)

When the crowd work stuff started going too viral, and so it started looking like you go to comedy shows and then they just ask you about you or whatever, which is not true. Like, it happens a little bit, but not. Yeah, it's not. Like some. You walk in a room and now everybody's up, fair game. Like, most comedy comedians planned a set. They have a bunch of jokes they've been working on. They got a bunch of shit they like to do that has nothing to do.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (31:12)

You are not on the agenda most of the time.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (31:14)

Like, whatever crowd work they are doing is mostly just to, like, show you guys I'm live and I'm present. This is real comedy that's happening now. But. But, like, I really do wonder if, like, when we were all stuck in the house, everyone's looking at their phones, they're like, I'm not going to comedy club. Matt Rife's gonna fucking ask me if I'm cheating on life. No, thanks.

Jeremy Odom (31:36)

That's the thing that you nailed it. Because crowd work is so fun to watch online. It's just, you know, it's so fun for you to just grab somebody and be like, oh yeah, blah, blah. But it's so not part of the show at all. So minuscule. Right. And Matt Rife has made a whole career of it, which is kudos to him. But it's just so not the bit. So.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (32:00)

Yeah, yeah. And it's. And it's hard, I think too, because like, I remember watching Matt Rice first Netflix dance special after he had gone so viral for crowd work. And in it, he wasn't doing that much crowd work in the response, you know, a lot of the response is like, what the. Like, like, I don't even like these jokes. Like, what is he. And I was like, oh, because, because you can't plan crowd work. Like you can't. No.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (32:26)

Like it's spontaneous.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (32:28)

Yeah. Like he, he would have basically had to huge risk with his special to be like, I hope some funny people are in here tonight that, that I'm willing to put on, put in, into the world forever trapped in this one hour of a special. I was like, nah, he's gonna go back to try to do some jokes now. Unfortunately for him, there were people that are like, I'm not here for the joke. So he's catching it both ways. You know, you got the crowd work, people that are mad that he's not doing crowd work and then you got the people that are like, I thought he would be doing like, like a different type of material that he's doing. But yeah, I think social media really changed, like comedy for a lot of people.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (33:05)

I, I do too. And, and I think made it difficult for all parties involved because like you say it's got to be for the audience member. You go, I come to a comedy club. I didn't come to be pick, quote unquote, picked on because a lot of people look at crowd work as you directly picking on them versus you actually being in on the joke. And also when you do crowd work, everybody not funny. So you as a comedian has to have to have to work around non funny people sometimes and turn it into funny. Which is. Which is a talent.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (33:38)

Yeah. Which brings me to the. The title of your podcast, Laugh with Me, which is it feels like the width is even though it's lowercase, but it's emphasized.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (33:48)

Yes.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (33:49)

Shout out to proper grammar. But it feels it's like, I'm not doing this show to just like, like on everybody else. It's like, let's have a good time. Let's find what we find funny. What was the, the impetus behind, you know, using that as the. The podcast format.

Jeremy Odom (34:06)

Well, as you can see, I've got red hair, and so I've grown up with, I guess, a thick skin because I've had a lot of people with a lot of jokes that they've had themselves about me for no other reason than just maybe I look a little different. Right. And that's the start of it. And then I'm also just this little skinny, nerdy, you know, kid. So there was all these things you grow up with. Everybody has their. Their story, right? Mine was that. And as I was getting older and then I wanted to make people, like, laugh. It was like, man, I. I've never enjoyed people laughing at me because that. That sucks. And I want my kids to grow up. Up not feeling that way, right? And it's like. But I love it when they laugh with me. Like, that's a community. Like, that's. That's fun, and that's something that can spread, and that's something that we can all really not embrace but really can relate to. You know, we've been in that room with our friends and family and just laughed together and had the best time. Yeah, that's the environment I wanted.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (35:11)

And there's a beautiful, just. There's a beautiful thing that happens when you laugh together, which is that. Yeah, even when you're laughing at me, we're laughing together at me. You know what I mean? Like. Like the trust. I always say, like, trust is the hardest part of comedy, of. Of pretty much of even podcasts and everything. Like, trust is what you build with your audience and stuff because you want them to. To. To have a level of, like, leeway, like, letting you experiment, letting you cook. It's the difference between, like, going to a comedy club or watching a set on social media or something. Right. Like, in the comedy club, we all have agreed we spend our money to hopefully laugh. We know you're gonna try to make us laugh. And that is the undercurrent of this whole thing. It might not work out, but that the. What we agreed to is we trust you enough to give you our money to go make me laugh. And I think even in. In situations like this where like, like you said, you're. You grew up, you're redhead, you're skinny people, I grew up, nerd glasses, all that stuff. Karen got the super country accent, you know, but if we. If we all kind of having fun together, it's like, oh, yeah, when you make a joke about my accent, that's not To. That's not gonna hurt me. The way that it would hurt me if you just walked up to me on the street and was just like, what's up with your accent? Or it's like, whoa, you. You. So, like, I definitely feel you on that. I think that's such a great vibe of laughing with me. And I think it's a choice to say that now because I think a lot of. There's become a divide in, like, all these media spaces, especially under the auspices of comedy, where it's like, some people have staked their. You know, put a stake in the ground of, like, no, I want to be able to pick on people. That's the real freedom of speech is telling people how, you know, offensive, and they better not say nothing back or I'm gonna get mad and whatever. Like, it's kind of dope to. To say, nah, that's not what we're doing over here.

Jeremy Odom (37:13)

Yeah. And it. And the folks who that are doing that, who are saying, you know, my style comedies is just the. The pick on people. I. I hope the people who do go to those shows have fun.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (37:24)

Right.

Jeremy Odom (37:24)

Because they know what they're getting themselves into. Like, you were just saying, you know, you know what the deal is, but at the same time, you. You just. You never know what people.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (37:35)

Well, also, that's, like, the hardest thing for those comedians. I think the hardest thing for people to understand outside of that is, like, in their spaces, those people are funny to those crowds.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (37:50)

Yeah.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (37:50)

Because there is an understanding of, like, oh, no, you're gonna do this thing. What. What really changed the comedy was the rest of us all getting to know stuff that we weren't in the room for. So, like, I remember the first big controversy I remember from social media was Tosh0 Daniel Taj. He did, like, a set, and then someone basically, like, typed his set out and posted it on the Internet. Like, look at this. And everybody's like, this guy. No one should ever go watch his stuff. And I was like, in the room, everyone knows he's joking. Like, like that what you just wrote is an essay.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (38:27)

That's not the.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (38:28)

Like, he gave a TED Talk. Like, he got up there, was like, my name is Daniel Taj, and I have some very serious things to say that. And I was like, oh, this has changed everything forever. And now it's almost like you're a throwback comedian if you're not playing to the social media audience. Like, you kind of almost. It's almost become the job for a lot of people. You got to have something to put on the Internet. There's very few comics who are like. Like, man, all I do is just show up to the club, do my thing, and go home. It's like, unless you, like, super rich.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (39:01)

Yes, Very.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (39:02)

Like, you can't afford to be that kind of comedian anymore.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (39:05)

Yeah. And it's also flipped.

Jeremy Odom (39:07)

Well, you know, people go ahead. Oh, say, go ahead.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (39:10)

I said, it's also flipped because years ago when the Internet first started, people, like, don't put your stuff out there. You're gonna, like. Like. Like, it almost went from one extreme to the other, if that makes sense, because at one period of time, it was so coveted. You. Yo, Joe jokes. You don't want to waste them. They're precious to you to. Now, the crowd work thing came in because people didn't want to put their jokes out there. Like. Like, I really think that's why crowd work went through the roof. And they go, yeah, I'm doing 45 minutes to an hour. But what I'm gonna give you is the jokes that's not on the set.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (39:41)

Right? Yep.

Jeremy Odom (39:42)

And that was. I was just about to say that was. You used to never put anything out there until you were gonna put, you know, present your hour or half hour on Common Sense or something. And then now it's, if I do a set tonight, if I don't have a clip from that, you know, for tomorrow, was it worth it? You know, did I. Did I do enough to help the fan base then? And. And that's just how it is today.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (40:05)

Yeah, man.

Jeremy Odom (40:07)

Started it all, dude.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (40:08)

Same thing with podcasting. When podcasting started, it was audio only. Like, Karen. Karen and I were just doing, like, this thing. You'll upload it to the Internet. People listen to it. They don't even know what you look like.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (40:19)

Yeah, we got jokes. We first got a soundboard when we first started doing videos and things like that.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (40:25)

Like, first taking. First started taking calls on the air and having guests. Like, I remember all, like, we were rigging that. That was not. None of this was designed to do what it does now.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (40:35)

Now it's seamless. It's in the computer. You got apps now. We. You know, you take a phone, put. You know, put. Put it by the. By the mic, and hopefully y' all can hear the voice.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (40:43)

Yeah, but it's. It's.

Jeremy Odom (40:45)

It's the old way. Do you miss the excitement of. We got to figure it out? I do think in five different things.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (40:51)

Talking or sometimes, like. I mean, obviously, I like the ease of stuff. Now I'm. I'm still not really here for video podcasting. But I just recognize it's something you kind of have to do same. I kind of. And maybe that's the purest in me where it's just like. That's kind of fucked up. That like video just comes in. It's like, now this is what a podcast is like. No, that's not. I liked it better when these were called vlogs or whatever the fuck we were calling them before. But okay, that's. I'm not gonna fight. I'm not gonna be an old man fighting change.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (41:24)

But agreed.

Jeremy Odom (41:25)

Yeah.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (41:25)

But yeah, it's been interesting to watch it all change. What I. What was cool was. And I'm pretty sure we were among the first, even if we weren't the first. But we were among the first people to kind of figure some of this stuff out. Like being able to record with a guest who wasn't in your studio.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (41:45)

Right. Who was right beside you.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (41:47)

We had on the phone via Skype and we just had this thing rigged to record so many different ways. Those things were like, fun and those like, we were definitely building the plane because we started this show like 16 years ago. So we were like, building that.

Jeremy Odom (42:05)

You were definitely.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (42:06)

Yeah, like, they didn't have a thing for. We were just like, we were just re. Racking our brains. Like, I think there's a way.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (42:13)

Yeah.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (42:13)

If we take a blue snowball mic and then we use our computer speakers that come with the monitor, we turn it up just right so it's not a. Not feedback. But it's not going to like. But the audience should be able to hear it later. We might be able to do something with that. And then every once in a while, you know, it works and you're like, oh, we did it.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (42:34)

And also what I've realized too, there are pluses and minuses. I think the. One of the biggest pluses about when we started, you had to learn some of the fundamental things about podcasting. Like you had to know what an RSS feed. Like, you had to, like, you just had to know certain things. And now it's easy, which is good. But if something happens and people have to kind of go to the fundamentals, they have to pay. Oh, yeah.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (42:59)

There are certain, like, that there are certain things nobody can take from us because literally we. We. We started it. You know what I mean? So, like, there's podcast. It's. It's funny too, being such an old podcast, but like listening to people come into the game and, you know, like all things, it becomes work and people Complain about work. It's just life. But sometimes people be complaining and they're like, oh, God, this is just so hard. Or, man, do I even want to do this today? And I'm like, okay, you have a team. You have a marketing department. You guys have, like, a. Somebody who is, like, setting up your equipment. All you did was walk in the studio. You can't fake it for an hour that you're like, people are waiting to hear what you have to say for. For what, one time a week? Not even. Like, you're doing this every day. You can't just be like, man, listen for an hour. Hey, how's it going? I'm doing a project. And it was like, so, like, on those levels, I think having been old, being old school does kind of like, like, affect the way we view things. But it can also mean that sometimes we're behind the curve because, like, hey, guys, we're putting clips on social media now. I'm like, I don't want to do that. That's not how. That's not how we did it, kid.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (44:17)

When I was growing up, hollering at the clouds because it took us forever to get on YouTube.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (44:22)

Yeah.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (44:23)

Because they were like, get on YouTube.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (44:24)

I was like, that's not a podcast.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (44:26)

That was me. I was like, that's not a goddamn podcast. What are we doing?

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You kids in your ticket attacks and your face. And your face browns or whatever the.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (44:34)

Yeah, your ticketed top. But it took us a while, y', all, but we made it over.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (44:39)

I also saw on your podcast you talked about doing a roast battle.

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Host 1 (possibly Roger) (49:12)

Now, as a laugh with me person, how is it possible to do a rose battle? And how do you keep your feelings from being destroyed? Because I've seen some of these roast battles out here in the streets and I ain't got it in me, man.

Jeremy Odom (49:28)

Yeah, so that. That's interesting. That's actually a good question because it's a complete opposite of what I just said. But the thing is, the roast battle is such an art hurt. And there's. It's a style of comedy that is strictly meant to entertain with no feelings to be hurt. So I want like, bring. Bring the heat, you know, bring the, the cutthroat. Like, as long as the audience laughs or whoa. Or whatever it is gets an emotion of some type. We did our job and I. We shake hands, we move on. Now, this particular. This was my first roast battle. I had never done one before. I'd always wanted to one and it was like a tournament. And this particular one, I thought because my show was my. Everyone knew me from my podcast, but it was like, it was kind of wholesome, ish. So I thought, funny if I came up with some jokes that weren't necessarily like over the top. Like, oh man, you're, you know, you're. Your mom's this. And she did this to me last night, you know, type stuff.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (50:32)

It.

Jeremy Odom (50:32)

It was just more like the guy was bald and I had just gotten a fresh haircut and I was gonna make a joke about how he's never gonna look this good. Because, you know, blah, blah, right. And I thought that would be awkwardly funny, and it. It backfired hard. I'll just tell you that right now. It. I learned so much from that. What did work in my favor is I got paired up with somebody who was almost just as bland, but it wasn't on purpose, I don't think. So it ended up being, like, an awkward round that the host just had up the best time with. So then I was like, all right, we all did our job. Everybody had fun, you know, whatever. And I learned maybe I should just go in there with, like, a little more of an edge. And next time I will. But as far as, like, feelings hurt on that one, it's. It's the art. And it'd be. To me, it's no different than if I'm in a movie or a show and I'm acting and somebody's trying to choke me out. We're doing. We're performing.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (51:35)

Right.

Jeremy Odom (51:35)

But.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (51:36)

Well, is it.

Jeremy Odom (51:37)

It was a lot of fun.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (51:38)

Was it people you knew, or were these, like, people you were meeting for the first time that night?

Jeremy Odom (51:44)

So the guy I was facing, I had met for the first time, but a lot of the other folks that were in the tournament, I had knew from the comedy scene, so I. I had known them, but. But, yeah, this guy I had met for the first time that night. Actually, as soon as I walked in, I went and introduced myself just so I kind of had an idea of his vibe, right? And to see if what I had written was. Was ready. And he had just a stack of jokes, so he was an old vet. And I'm like, oh, man, this. Maybe this wasn't the way. Would you.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (52:14)

Would you rather have been. Would you rather have been matched up with someone you did know? Like, would you. Like. Like, even though obviously it's more awkward, but it also means you have more ammunition and you all are there together to roast. So it's not like you're blindsided, these people, but it's like, if you know somebody, it's like you have better. You roast the ones you love. You know what I mean?

Jeremy Odom (52:37)

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would. Had I. I would have come in hard. Like, I would have. I would have come in hard if it was somebody I knew, just because, one, I know that could take it, and, two, the jokes are easier, but, yeah, because I've got the life experience with them.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (52:49)

In college, I used to rap like. Like every black person from every black man who was born after 1978. I used to rap, and I remember After I got out of school, like, I was like, taking it a little serious, not very seriously, but I was like, I think I'm gonna really play around with some of these, like, instrumentals. And maybe like, I knew a guy who had a studio in his house. He was like, I'll let you record here. I was like, okay, yeah, yeah. So I had a friend, Mario, who I know he's been listening to the podcast lately, so he'll know what I'm talking about. But we were like, hey, man, what if we write raps where we're beefing, we're dissing each other, we're friends, it's not going to be too serious. And then I just remember when I was writing it, I was so like, yeah, everything about him, I'm just gonna like, I don't give a fuck. I'm just like, I am going to try to hurt his feelings. I like this. I'm. And, and lucky for me, he's like such a stand up dude that, like, he really meant it when he was like, nah, you should, like, he was encouraging me because I was like, I don't know, man. Now that I'm thinking about it, I started writing and I don't want to say these things about you. He's like, no, please do. You should definitely say him. I don't even remember if he roasted me back or whatever. I think, I think he did, but his was so much more friendly than mine. I was like making jokes about him dropping out of school. Like, oh, no, his. It was so, it was so up. But, but, but he, he loved it because he's just that kind of guy. He's the kind of guy that if you play a fighting video game with, he will mollywop you if he can't. Like, he wants to destroy you. And, and, and it's all a good time afterwards. But man, that was like such a thing. But it reminds me of this, right? This like, idea of like, no, this rap. The roast battle is essentially. It would almost be disrespectful to be like, no, I'm not, I'm not gonna say that. I don't hurt your feelings, you know?

Jeremy Odom (54:59)

Yeah, no, you got, you got to bring the heat. And that's. That was the thing that I learned and took from it the most was. But there is like a trend now of, I think they're called like friendly battles or whatever. And it's like, who could bring the best compliments in like a humorous way and like, come at him, you know, in that regard, like I. I think.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (55:19)

I would rather do that. You know, I would rather do that because I got, like. I got the evil inside of me a little bit, and people don't know it.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (55:26)

No, they don't, because I.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (55:27)

You know, because I. I do a good job of maintaining that. I don't. People not supposed to know, you know, like, I'm. I'm sociable, but like that. Sometimes you go down a dark path, and it's like, you don't realize until later. You're like, that was out of. That was out of pocket.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (55:42)

Yes.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (55:42)

I remember one time I was playing basketball with this kid on our team, and my friend Justin was. And me and Justin, very similar, dark humor, all this stuff. But I was very mad because we lost this game, and it was because this kid tripped up, like, he shot this terrible shot to end the game. And I was so mad, and he was. And he was apologetic, which. Which should have been enough for me to be like, okay, you know what? You up. We all up. I've done the same thing before. What am I even so angry about? But I remember. I remember being like, man, you suck. Don't, like, stay the. Off my team. Blah, blah. And then Justin is like, hey, man, that's Tripp, man. What are you doing? That's like, that's our friend or whatever. And I was like, I don't give a. If he lives or dies. And everybody know. Everybody at the side was like, oh, no. I was like, okay, that's. That was too far. That was trip. I like that. I, like, wing, got some water, came back. I was like, I apologize. That was out of control. I don't even know who that was right there. Where did that evil come from? And that's, you know, So I worry about that.

Jeremy Odom (56:51)

That was the competitive energy.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (56:52)

Yeah, I worry, man, about that going too far, and I can't take it back. Yep, yep.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (56:57)

That's why, for me, I have. I have filters that kind of always go off both. Because a lot of times, the first thing that comes in your brain, you don't always want to say it out loud. You're like, filter, filter, filter, filter, filter. Okay, I can say this version of it now.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (57:14)

From listening to your podcast, it sounds like you're also a bit of a sports fan.

Jeremy Odom (57:19)

Oh, yeah, Big time. Who. Who's your.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (57:21)

Who's your NFL team?

Jeremy Odom (57:24)

The Chargers.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (57:26)

Oh, man, the Chargers.

Jeremy Odom (57:28)

I grew up in San Diego or oceanside, near San Diego. My dad is a Marine, and so I grew up like a Chargers fan, Padres fan. And then they're they're originally from Central Iowa. So when I was like elementary school, we moved back and so I live, I've lived in Nebraska, you know, for the majority of my life now, but I still have that like hometown.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (57:54)

So Charger, how did you feel seeing Philip Rivers get off the couch, come play for the, for the Colts this weekend? Because I know he was a long time charger and he kind of lost that game in Philip Rivers old school fashion. Like he did like last second comeback, but too much time on the clock to like, oh, here, here comes the inevitable Philip Rivers lost turnover. So like, was it nostalgic for you?

Jeremy Odom (58:26)

It, it was, it was actually, it was funny because my, my son's like, oh, you won't believe what Phil did on his first pass. And I'm like, what? He threw a pick? What he did for us for how many years? And he goes, no, no, no, it was, it was completed. He's like, all right, all right. And then. But no, he had just signed this summer a one day deal to retire a Charger. And then he's just like, puts his hand up, yeah, I'll come play with you guys. Like, what are you.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (58:52)

He was up for our guy, if I'm not mistaken. I believe he would have been up for hall of Fame this year.

Jeremy Odom (58:59)

Yep.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (58:59)

And I think semifinals. Right. And then the other thing now you.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (59:04)

Going to get that up to start the clock all over.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (59:05)

It has to start over. And if I'm not mistaken, that's when like your like retirement or some type of weird, like there's like a money thing too to it. Like, okay, you, you've been out of league for five years. This is when blank Stars healthcare. So he pushed all that back five years to go play for the Colts on a week's notice and start, by the way, like, it wasn't. They had a backup quarterback and they were just like that guy I feel bad for because they were like, I do too. You know what we were thinking the.

Jeremy Odom (59:37)

First day of practice, there was word that those two were getting at each other and I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, that, that, that backup quarterback. I'm getting it. Phil too. Phil's there to play. I mean, he didn't come off the couch to not play.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (59:49)

And, and it's got to suck too because like Phil got the big joker in that conversation. Like, you can't win that battle as a, as the guy on the team already who's like, no, I should be starting because feels like they called me from the couch. There's no way they feel confident that you should be playing. I was eating chips. Okay, I'm just gonna let you know.

Jeremy Odom (60:11)

What you were talking about with the insurance. It is. Is it. It's a big deal for him because it was like he would lose his insurance benefits at the end of the year, the season or something. He's got 10 kids. Yes. It was gonna be like a 4,500$ a month charge or something for him. It made a lot of sense financially for him to come back.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (60:33)

Yeah, that's it.

Jeremy Odom (60:35)

Yeah. It just didn't make a lot of sense in the grand scheme of the 44 coming off the couch.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (60:41)

I think Serena Williams did something similar this year. She made a joke about was like I'm. She played in like the US Open. Because she was just like, hey, you know what? Get that tennis insurance back. Got some good insurance. I was like, maybe that's what Phil's doing. Feels like I'll go out there, throw a couple pics if y'.

Jeremy Odom (60:58)

All, y'.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (60:59)

All, y' all paying my insurance. These kids is expensive.

Jeremy Odom (61:02)

Well, yeah, and it's. He's a, you know, he's a high school football coach now head coach. And you get to see his. His team, you know, having their watch party and cheering on Philz. He throws a touchdown. There was a lot of cool stories. It's going to be a movie someday.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (61:16)

That's what I said.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (61:17)

You know what?

Jeremy Odom (61:18)

Yeah.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (61:18)

I didn't.

Jeremy Odom (61:19)

Was tailor made to be a movie. It is incredible. And what it was cool to see him.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (61:24)

The other part that's cool about it too is old quarterbacks are kind of having a resurgence, man. Like a lot of these quarterbacks that are doing well now are all guys that people kind of gave up on Sam Darnold, people gave up on Daniel Jones who Philip Rivers replaced. They gave up on. I still remember when people gave up on Matt Stafford, you know, and now everybody's like mvp. So like you can get old and still like kind of maybe throw something together. And he's coming into a situation where they already had won a bunch of games. So he just needs to like get them to the. The end of the season. I don't know. Stranger things that happen. That's why we watch sports. I would love to see Philip Rivers like finally come up big and like the most improbable ever. Just the Disney movie type of. I'd love to see that. That would be a great ending to this season since like Patrick Mahomes is out and Lamar Jackson and them look terrible. Josh Allen is Still great. But his team isn't great. You know what I mean? Like, so, like, I don't know. Why not Phil?

Jeremy Odom (62:35)

Yeah. I. I'm a hundred percent behind you. If it wasn't for the fact that my Chargers are right in the thick of things.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (62:42)

They really are.

Jeremy Odom (62:42)

And it's gonna end up being Colts, Chargers in the playoffs. Playoffs. And Phil's gonna beat us, and it's gonna be the most Charger thing that's ever happened. Because that's. That's what happened. I mean, that's just. It's what we do. And then I'm gonna have to watch Phil go in a Super bowl, which is so great. Like you said, right. It's gonna hurt so bad, man. I. Yeah. I would cry.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (63:03)

That was. That would absolutely. That would be crushing if that was the way that it happened for y'.

Jeremy Odom (63:08)

All.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (63:10)

And then I feel like the Chargers just keep having the same season anyway. I feel like every year, you can just pencil the Chargers exact same results, and they're just gonna bring back everyone anyway. Like, gonna be right back. Bring the quarterback back. Let's just do this thing again. 1. One year is gonna break. Lucky. This might be the year. Because so many people that typically are dominant at the top are starting to fall off. So maybe this is Justin Herbert's year. But, man, it's just. I feel like there's a weird type of purgatory in the NFL that, like, you guys are in, the Steelers are in, where it's like, these are good teams, and we're Panthers fans. So everything that you guys are sick of is, like, what we would, like, cut our right arm off to have.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (63:55)

You know, and I understand, but I would love to be like, I can pencil in. Make it to the wild card. I can pencil in. We gonna at least win, you know, nine or 10 games. I, like, I can just pencil that in.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (64:10)

Yeah.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (64:10)

For me, I would be like, go, Panthers. Like, you know, we don't know what we gonna get. Like, we don't.

Jeremy Odom (64:18)

You know what? I love you guys at least had the Cam Newton years.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (64:21)

And true.

Jeremy Odom (64:22)

You had your. You had your super bowl run. Give me one. I. That's all. Just give me one super bowl run. I was so young when we played the super bowl against the 49ers in 1994. Like, I remember, right. Being excited, and I remember watching the game. I also remember being just so crushed when we got annihilated. But it's like, you think back then, well, we'll be back, and it's gonna be awesome. And then here we are.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (64:46)

It's hard to get back.

Jeremy Odom (64:47)

Many years old and we never been back.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (64:50)

Right.

Jeremy Odom (64:50)

And I just, that's. I tell my son, I'm like, man, when we do get there someday, just enjoy every second of that because you don't know when the next one's coming. And you guys are great examples of that. That. What a run with Cam Newton.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (65:04)

Yeah.

Jeremy Odom (65:05)

And you had one super bowl appearance and you would think you would have had at least a couple.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (65:10)

We actually had two.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (65:11)

We had two.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (65:13)

We had Jake delone, the Patriots, of course, but we lost to the Patriots by three or whatever. This is like the worst. But.

Jeremy Odom (65:25)

That's right.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (65:25)

But it is better to have had that run and, and lost then, you know, then like you said to just never have it. But man, it's just so funny how sports is because every year only one team can win a Super bowl.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (65:38)

That's all.

Jeremy Odom (65:39)

Just one.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (65:39)

And so there's just like 30, there's like 31 or 29 miserable other teams that are just like, oh, fuck, what are we gonna do next year? And it feels like being a fan, you can get stuck in this place of like, not really enjoying being a fan anymore. So I like, we, we're able to, at least with Karen and I. One of the things I love about Karen is that we're able to just kind of enjoy being fans. Like, just the experience of like, ah, like, we're Hornets fans, we're not winning. But. But it's like we go to all. We're season ticket holders, we go to the games, we have a good time, we get to see all the best players. And, and it's like, yes, there's something about that that, that I don't ever want to take for granted because when I was a kid, I watched these people on TV and stuff. Right. Couldn't afford to go or.

Jeremy Odom (66:29)

Right.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (66:29)

You know, your parents scraped together enough money to go to one or two games a season.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (66:33)

Five dollar tickets up at the top.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (66:36)

So I'm still like, I think people are weirded out by how appreciative we are of it. But like, that's what I love about sports.

Jeremy Odom (66:43)

It took me a long time to get to that point because I used to take it all, every loss, every. So like, to heart. And then at some point, it's probably when my son was born, honestly, when I was like, man, that poor kid, he's going through all this, you know, as a fan. But then it started to like, change my mindset. I'm like, you know what I gotta look out for him.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (67:00)

Did you make him a Chargers fan?

Jeremy Odom (67:02)

Enjoy the moment. Yeah. What do you guys think of Ryan Cockbranner?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (67:07)

Oh, man, I love Ryan Cogblinger dog like that. Although I do worry that he's too sad. Like, I don't know, I don't know that he said. But like, he don't really get jubilant ever. Like, he's like, I like that he's even killed. Like, he's. Because he's such a stalwart. Like, he. He's not afraid to get dunked on, which means he gets a lot of blocks because people keep trying him. He's like, I'll just block that too. And he doesn't get discouraged or whatever. But at the same time, like, I haven't, I don't. I don't think I've ever seen him do a fist pump jump. I don't think he's ever got mad. Like, he's just one way all the time.

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Host 1 (possibly Roger) (67:48)

All.

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Host 1 (possibly Roger) (68:08)

Mmm.

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Jeremy Odom (72:15)

So I. I live in Omaha where Creighton University is. So we would. We've been watching Ryan for four years. You know, home games at Kraton. And he's incredible. But yeah, you don't get any. It's just level. You don't get too excited, too high, too low. When you did see, you know, something like this. Yeah, something but.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (72:38)

And like he be ducking on people. He has like one of the highest field goal percentages in the league. He dunks on people and he still don't be like, there's, there's nothing like, that's two points. I'll be back on the defensive side now.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (72:51)

I wonder if that's. He just moves on their personality because, you know, some people's personalities might be like that. Or I wonder.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (72:57)

I don't know. That man had a kid. He had a kid this year. Even then he was still kind of like, he was still mad chill about it. I'm like, oh, okay, tonight he's gonna really be. And he had a great game that night that he played after his kid was born too. Like ye double double. And. And I remember being like, okay, after the game, he's gonna turn up. I mean, his baby was born. It's like, no, no. He's like, I'm tired because they've been crying all night.

Jeremy Odom (73:24)

I'm.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (73:24)

I'm tired. Maybe that's what it is. He just sleep deprived. He's like, man, I've been up with my pregnant wife.

Jeremy Odom (73:30)

Rub off on him a little bit and get some.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (73:32)

I hope so, because ball is fun. Like we got some fun guys on the team. I wanna, I even like Khan. Khan's such a fiery guy too. He's.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (73:42)

Me too.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (73:43)

He's very professional, but he's having fun out there. He would takes it personal. Ryan's like, I don't take anything personal.

Jeremy Odom (73:51)

That's awesome.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (73:53)

Karen, you gonna say something?

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (73:54)

Oh, I'm about to say. I actually really do. I like Khan. I like the whole team. I think when Roger talking about like enjoying the game, I. I just love basketball. So for me, a lot of times it's mixed because I know I'm supposed to cheer for my team, but I'm not gonna lie. If, like, LeBron or Joker or somebody else going off, I'm like, oh, I'm just a bad. I'm like, oh, well, God damn you.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (74:21)

That's why you wanna. That's why you want to go to games, man. We watched Joker two Saturdays ago, I think, and they beat us, and it was a pretty close game, but in the fourth quarter, every time he touched the ball, he made something good happen. And by the end, I was just maniacally laughing. Laughing?

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (74:40)

Yeah.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (74:41)

Like, I was just. It was like every time I hit.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (74:43)

A shot, like, what can you do?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (74:45)

What can you do is like he was hitting jumpers over Cogbrenner, who's 7ft tall, had his arm up. It's just like he's pulling the ball behind his head. Like, that's three points anyway.

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Host 2 (possibly Karen) (74:55)

Then I'm gonna run backwards down the court.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (74:57)

All right. No, look past to this guy in the corner that no one knew was open. All right. Anyway, well, I guess I want to go home and look at my horses on my zoom.

Jeremy Odom (75:04)

Right.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (75:05)

Or whatever the.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (75:06)

Okay.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (75:06)

That was amazing.

Jeremy Odom (75:07)

He loves his horses more than anything. Incredible. Basketball's a job, not a passion for him. He loves his horses.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (75:16)

It's a job.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (75:17)

Right. And I'm at this point, it's like. I don't know if it's an act that got out of control and now it's become real or if it's just like, it's real and I. And I. And it's so. He's so focused on the horses and going home that I feel like it's a nice act. But whatever's happening, it's. It's some real, like, Daniel Day Lewis that he's doing because, like, it'll be after a game where it's like, no one's ever scored 50 points, 20 rebounds, and 13 assists before. What do you think about that? He's like, oh, we missed a couple of open jumpers. And, you know, I really can't wait to get home and look at my horses. I'm like, what the what? There are people in this league who have dedicated their entire lives to just be better than you.

Jeremy Odom (76:02)

You.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (76:02)

And they can't. And you're like, man, no, I can't wait to get off at 5:30 so I can drive home.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (76:08)

Can I clock out?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (76:10)

But no, I've been enjoying the NBA this year.

Jeremy Odom (76:14)

He clocks out. No. But, yeah, the league's fun. I, I just love greatness. And you're seeing a lot of the greats, you know, in person. It's incredible. I mean, there's just something about seeing greatness that can take over this.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (76:29)

You know, in your, this past weekend they had the in season tournament like one of the rounds of that and it was Oklahoma City Thunder, who legitimately might win the most games ever in a, in a season. Like, I've, I, I've been alive for Michael Jordan. I've been alive for that warriors team. I feel like I've never seen no shit like this because like their second best player wasn't even playing the first 20 games and they lost one game. I was just like, o, what the, when he comes back, what are they going to do? And then Shay Gillis Alexander, who's an mvp, doesn't even play most of the fourth quarters because they're up so much. So I'm like, this team is just, they're going to make the season boring because they're going to whoop everyone's ass except Victor Wimbanyama, who's 7 foot 7 and just a, like, you know, basketball savant and alien. Apparently he hates them and he just took it upon himself to come back from injury and be like this. Enough of this. I, I watched that game in the first half. He was on a menace restriction, so he couldn't play like as many as he normally does. He played seven minutes in the first half. He had a plus 20 plus 20, which means for y' all that are sports laymen that aren't, you know, into the game game. His team, when he was on the court, was 20 points better than the other team, which is the best team in the league. And he was only in the Tech game for seven minutes in the first half and he did that. I, I, I, I feel like this league is, is, is in such a, a fun place. And my overarching theory is this, it feels fun because Jason Tatum is hurt and he's not playing for the Celtics 6. Last year this time everyone just kept talking about how there were too many threes being shot in the NBA. I remember that right? And I was like, man, I'm watching these games. These games are fun. They're like too many threes. Oh, who wants to watch the NBA? I won't watch it till Christmas. This sucks. And I realized something. No one's talking like that this year because Jason Tatum's hurt and the Celtics aren't that good. I think people just hate the Celtics.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (78:45)

I could see that that yeah, yeah, that's. That was they complaining about. Yeah. And. And honestly, the thing is, the. The stat boys. I call them the stat boys.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (78:54)

The.

Jeremy Odom (78:55)

The.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (78:55)

The people who really don't care about the game just be like, statistically, these are what you posed to do.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (78:59)

Yeah, the Celtics did that. Like, the Celtics, they did all the math. But there's something so soulless about basketball where you're like, you know what? We realize threes are worth more than twos, and if we just shoot nothing but those, we'll win the game. It's like, yes, that is technically correct.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (79:17)

But also, it's like, if you play.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (79:19)

A fighting game and a guy just keeps sweeping your legs, like, technically, you're right. You can sweep my leg a million times, and I won't be able to beat you. But don't you want to do something else? Don't you want to, like, shoot a fireball every once in a while? Nope.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (79:32)

Yeah. And as somebody who, like, loves basketball, I'm like, you know, you live by the three, you die by the three. I've seen people just shoot themselves completely out of the game. Because my brain, I'm like, y' all know twos count, too, but it ain't.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (79:44)

But it's nothing. But it's math is what I'm saying. Like, it's not.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (79:47)

And Roger Cat explained, it doesn't matter.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (79:49)

How you feel about it.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (79:49)

I was like, that don't make no sense. Y' all gonna literally lose the game. Cause y' all refuse to shoot twos.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (79:53)

They've done. Yeah, they've just done the math. And they know for a fact that. That eventually the math will always be on their side. And yes, they will have some off nights and lose, but more nights than not, they'll just hit a bunch of threes, and it won't really be fun. And they'll beat the shit out of your team. Team. And suddenly, they're not. Jason Tatum's hurt, and now no one's talking about threes. I looked it up yesterday because I was like, am I bugging?

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (80:19)

No, you're not.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (80:20)

Everybody is shooting just as many threes as they're. They're, like, one step below last year. Meaning threes haven't changed.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (80:27)

They have not just.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (80:29)

The Celtics aren't, you know, in our lives anymore. It feels good. I hate to say it, but it's true.

Jeremy Odom (80:37)

Be coming out and saying he hates him. I mean, I love that energy.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (80:41)

Oh, it's the best.

Jeremy Odom (80:42)

More of that. Like, more. Best players on teams being like, I hate those bastards.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (80:48)

Yes.

Jeremy Odom (80:48)

Like, I'm gonna beat them on my own. Give me more.

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Jeremy Odom (80:52)

Sports hate is talking about Jordan. Like, that's era. I love it.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (80:55)

It's pure. It's pure sports hate. And he's. And the other part of it is he does. For some reason, he's chosen not to like Chad on the other team, which I don't know what started that, but he don't like that dude for some reason. So, like, they had the player he hates the most, then they're the team he doesn't like the most, and he's possibly the best player in the league right now. And it's pure sports hate. So it's not like, right any. No one's gonna, like, you know, fighting. They're not going on Twitter and fight. Like, it's just when we play basketball, I would like to destroy you. And there's something so healthy about. It's like a roast battle. There's something healthy about the fact that they can do that and then go back home and be like, all right, that was. That was work.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (81:36)

Yeah. And also, as a. A fan of the game, I think sometimes, particularly this era right now is a really special era, but you have so many grumpy and angry NBA players that they don't realize how special this era is.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (81:50)

Players.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (81:51)

The era. The NBA era.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (81:53)

Yeah.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (81:53)

The reason why I said the errors. Because you have LeBron in his career.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (81:57)

Oh, no. You said you have so many grumpy NBA players.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (81:59)

I mean, I'm not a big players. NBA fans. I'm sorry. Oh, NBA fans that don't appreciate the special era that we in because we have so many players that are like, year 16, year 17, year. Like, so, so, so soon some of these players are going to be stepping down, and you're getting ready to have a rise of.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (82:15)

Of new players. People are aging different. Steph Curry scored 87 points over the weekend. What the. Like, you're old. You're not. When I. When I was a kid, people that were his age were, like, going on a tour of the league for their last, like. Like, you know, it was. It was Robert Parish, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, like, hey, buy me a motorcycle, whatever. You know, thanks. Thanks for the years, Cap, or whatever. Like, now is like, I'm gonna bust your ass, young boy.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (82:44)

But, sir, you're 45.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (82:47)

You gonna steal.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (82:48)

Take this ass whooping. Take this three.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (82:51)

But yeah, I've been enjoying it, man. And we've enjoyed you as well. We have, baby. Do appreciate you coming through. Jeremy, man, tell the people like where to find you, you know, if you got. If you. You're doing any standup, where to come. Come out to get you. I didn't even hear what. What city are you in right now?

Jeremy Odom (83:10)

I'm in Omaha, Nebraska.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (83:11)

Okay. Shout out to Nebraska. Omaha. That's what Peyton Manny says before he hikes the ball.

Jeremy Odom (83:18)

Oh, yeah. Little Big Red. Yeah. They'll find me at basically all the socials at Laugh With Me. Po Laugh With Me podcast and then my Twitter handle. Also at Jo from Nebraska. You can hear me every week on the Laugh With Me podcast and also wtl. Where's the line? It's a sports betting podcast out of Nebraska that we do as well, so.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (83:43)

Oh, shout out. Shout out to that.

Jeremy Odom (83:46)

Yeah. And I'll have some stand updates coming out soon that'll be on the socials.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (83:49)

Are you good at betting? Like, is it. Are y' all keeping track of your bets and then. Or do you just do like on TV where they just forget that, like, they don't tell you? Like, last week we kind of sucked. They're just like, oh, no, no. Tonight I know for sure.

Jeremy Odom (84:06)

I'll tell you what we've been doing every week we've been doing a segment of player props. And I have been on fire with these player props, which has been fun. For example, Joe Flacco, we were talking about old ass quarterbacks.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (84:19)

Yeah.

Jeremy Odom (84:20)

Having a comeback. We. One of our props, this, this one this season was that he would have a rushing touchdown. Now, he hadn't had a rushing touchdown since like 2000 in 14 or something. It had been like seven years. It may have been further than that. It was some stupid stat, but with the way the offense was running in Cincinnati and what they needed it. It just, it was gonna happen. And sure enough, it did. It was just. It's little things like that. Man, this year has been odd, but in NFL props, we have been on fire.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (84:52)

Could you imagine, Worth. What would the odds have been? What would the odds have been on a prop drop bet that was like, Philip Rivers will complete one pass this season? Like a million to one. Like. Like no one saw that coming.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (85:10)

No, they did not.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (85:11)

All of us are surprised. They're like, the coats are calling in.

Jeremy Odom (85:14)

There's just no chance.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (85:16)

Right. I feel like on espn when they read it off the teleprompter, they're like. And the codes are calling in Philip Rivers.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (85:24)

They shocked as they complete the sentence.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (85:26)

That can't be right.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (85:27)

They're looking like, are you.

Jeremy Odom (85:28)

Are you sure?

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (85:29)

Team.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (85:29)

Hey, everybody's going.

Jeremy Odom (85:30)

Yep.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (85:30)

Yeah. Why not Peyton Manning then? I mean it. All right, man. Make sure you guys check out the show. Laugh with me. Like I said, we listen to it. Very fun. Very nice to meet you, man. We definitely have to come back and kick it again.

Host 2 (possibly Karen) (85:44)

We can play some games.

Host 1 (possibly Roger) (85:46)

Yeah. And tomorrow will be live at 7 and we'll have Mike Kaplan on tomorrow, so be looking forward to that. All my people that watch it live and yeah, until next time. I love you.

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I love you too.

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