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In this episode of Leadership Conversations, Jonno White sits down with Olli-Pekka Heinonen, Director General of the International Baccalaureate (IB), to explore what it takes to lead a truly global education organization serving over two million students across 160 countries.

Olli-Pekka reflects on his journey from a rural Finnish village to international leadership—sharing powerful lessons shaped by music, complexity thinking, and servant-hearted leadership. With deep humility, he unpacks the importance of curiosity, collaboration, and listening in today’s complex world.

He also dives into:
🔹 Why leadership starts with unknowing, not knowing
🔹 The power of holding space instead of giving orders
🔹 How orchestras taught him to understand non-verbal leadership and intelligence
🔹 Why strategy and change must be co-created—not dictated
🔹 How to shift from hierarchy to trust and psychological safety

This conversation is a masterclass in leading with vision, humility, and systems-thinking—especially relevant for leaders navigating change, culture, and global complexity.

Tune in now to hear Olli-Pekka Heinonen’s incredible leadership insights and timeless wisdom.