There's a fairly persuasive myth about power: that once you have enough of it, everything else follows. This episode makes a decent case against that, using nothing more dramatic than a chief executive who can restructure an entire division and still can't get their own kid to tidy their room. If you've ever wondered why some very senior people still don't get listened to, or why some people with almost nothing get listened to constantly, this one's for you.

Join KG and Paul as they chat to Jen Overbeck about why having power and having influence turn out to be two genuinely different things.

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Useful resources from this episode:

Jen Overbeck's website: jenoverbeck.com
Jen Overbeck on LinkedIn
Pathways to Politics for Women, the non-partisan political leadership program where Jen volunteers
Melbourne School of Business

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