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Ray Spadoni (0:10)
Welcome to Leading Organizations that Matter podcast about leadership and how we find meaning, purpose and impact in our work. I'm your host Ray Spadoni, and today's topic is you are going to fail. I listened to a podcast some time ago about Navy SEAL training, which is to say the least rigorous. Candidates for this exclusive, highly specialized, elite group of soldiers must undergo considerable physical and psychological training to make sure that they are ready to accomplish extremely challenging missions. The description of the training made me cringe and wonder whether I would have ever been able to complete such a regimen when I was younger. The part of the podcast I found most interesting was the psychological preparation the candidates must go through that they must endure. Trainees are told were repeatedly and assertively that you are going to fail individually and collectively. Those who hope to become Navy SEALs must contend with an onslaught of constant reminders that the task is nearly impossible and that their actual chance of success is minimal. The person describing this training described the fact that the successful Navy SEAL is someone who feels as though they can beat the odds. Who, despite being assured that there is limited chance of actually progressing to becoming a Navy seal. They're able to overcome those doubts, to overcome the prospect of failure, and to ultimately achieve. I believe there's great applicability here to how we search for successful leaders in our organizations and how we become successful leaders ourselves. Now, I would never recommend that we ask our candidates to swim through dangerous waters or pass onerous survival tests, of course, but I do feel it makes sense to understand that their past failures and then how they overcame them. I recall very well one of my first mentors, Craig Anderson from Ernst and Winnie, as it was called at the time. Now it's Ernst and Young, based in Boston. We were hiring a new member of our consulting team and we met several exceptional candidates. Really exceptional. Everyone on our team selected a top choice, someone with impeccable credentials and who interviewed very well and who we were quite confident would be successful. In the final internal decision meeting, Craig said something that I'll never forget. He said, I like her as a candidate a lot, but I'm bothered by the fact that she has no failures and can't speak to what she learned from them. I remember thinking that that was odd. But we moved on. Craig let us hire her and we appreciated his support. She started strong, was a very hard worker. She showed great instinct and insight, and we felt that she fit in with our team quite perfectly. And then some six months later, there was a major problem with one of our clients and a big part of that problem tied directly to her work. Those of us who had been doing this type of consulting for a while felt that it was a problem we could all certainly get past, but our newest team member could not. It devastated her and she had an incredibly difficult time recovering. She had been used to wins, not losses. She was a very high achiever and so ultimately that experience led to her departure. Which is too bad because I am sure she would have been a great success long term in our firm. Craig's warning rang true. So when you're hiring, ask candidates about their failures and how they experienced that failure, what they learned, and how they recovered. This is worth thinking about for yourself. We all fall down, but long term success has much more to do with how we get up and keep on going than truly anything else. Thanks for listening. Leaving a positive review and letting others know about this podcast will help a great deal. My mission is to help empower organizations that matter by supporting those who lead them. I offer coaching, mentoring and consulting services. You can learn more about me and my work@racepadoni.com.
