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Ray Spadoni
Foreign welcome to Leading Organizations that Matter, a podcast about leadership and how we find impact, meaning and joy in our work. I'm your host Ray Spadoni, and today's topic is Licking Our Wounds versus Learning from Our Mistakes. It's wise to own the consequences of our own decision making. If we don't, then we are going to make poor decisions and fail to improve. Consider this to be the precise opposite of the growth mindset. I sometimes work with leaders and organizations that are grappling with a sense of diminished accountability in these places. Managers will describe a corporate culture where rules are not enforced, strong performance is not sufficiently rewarded, and toxic behaviors are infrequently rooted out or punished. In these places, I'm afraid that actions speak much more loudly than words. I believe that one of the key causes of such a phenomenon is that leaders are conflict avoidant, a point I mention in my book about organizations going through change in great detail. Also, there may be leaders who benefit from that problem, and so they're going to be loathe to actually fix it. One exercise I like to recommend is one that's drawn from other traditions, including religious, and that is to conduct a review of the day. That is a formal evaluation that includes answering questions such as such as 1 what went right? 2 what went wrong? And 3 what would we do differently next time? Ideally, this would be an open discussion among all those involved in the process as well as those most impacted by the outcome. But here's the fine line, and it can be a very, very fine line. These exercise cannot devolve into either a blame game or or worse, a licking our wounds gripe session. The facilitator of a process such as this has to guard against finger pointing and blaming and usually just describing the guardrails up front, bringing this to everyone's attention. Usually that suffices. But in some organizational cultures, typically the most damaged ones, more force will be required. In my experience, preventing this is actually quite doable. But the scenario I worry most about has to do with self pity and the open airing of woe is us laments. In these situations, participants will recount all the obstacles, conflicts, and unavoidable barriers that they faced. It's human nature to point out the struggles for sure, and there should be a formal acknowledgment of those problems that did come up. But cultures keen on wound licking will never focus appropriately on growth and learning. This is a big problem in organizations that are failing because the victim mindset can become a dominant one and ultimately prevent bold and creative solutions from emerging. Those good ideas are all too frequently buried underneath a heavy pile of tears and frustrations. When projects go sideways, there's time for a healthy dose of healing, and that does include allowing folks to vent about the challenges. But active learning requires a willingness to rise above the challenges. If you're a leader and you're trying to climb out of a deep well of pity with your group, try asking these questions in this sequence. Number one what are the top three things that happened which negatively impacted the project and which we did not anticipate? Okay, that's the place where you're going to allow some venting. Just make sure you time limit it and then be prepared to move on when necessary. So that's the first question. What are the top three things that happened which negatively impacted the project and which we did not anticipate? That's important that you don't get stuck there and stay there, but that you continue on to the second question, which is could we have anticipated those? Third, how could we have reacted differently to them? And four what can we do next time to prevent or plan for surprises? This progression, as I mentioned, does allow for a small bit of wound licking, but it transitions into a learning orientation quickly. You may also want to consider bringing in a third party or an external resource to help facilitate such a process, as some who are involved in it might feel more comfortable speaking honestly to a relative stranger, a perceived unbiased expert. Additionally, that person may be more experienced in navigating the fine line described here. In any event, better organizations will capitalize on opportunities to grow, learn, and improve, and the completion of a major organizational initiative is the perfect time and place to do so. Thanks for listening. Leaving a positive review and letting others know about this podcast will help a great deal. My mission is to help empower organizations that matter by supporting those who lead them. I offer coaching, mentoring, and consulting services. You can learn more about me and my work@race bodoni.com.
Podcast Summary: Leading Organizations That Matter
Episode 78: Licking Our Wounds vs. Learning From Our Mistakes
Release Date: August 12, 2025
Host: Rey Spadoni
In Episode 78 of "Leading Organizations That Matter," host Rey Spadoni delves into the critical distinction between "licking our wounds" and "learning from our mistakes." This episode emphasizes the importance of accountability, constructive reflection, and fostering a growth-oriented culture within organizations, particularly those that are mission-driven or nonprofit.
Rey Spadoni opens the discussion by highlighting the necessity of owning the consequences of our decisions to foster improvement and avoid repeated poor choices. He states:
"It's wise to own the consequences of our own decision making. If we don't, then we are going to make poor decisions and fail to improve."
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This sets the stage for exploring how organizations can transition from a culture of blame to one of learning and growth.
Spadoni identifies a prevalent issue in some organizations where accountability is lacking. He describes environments where:
He observes:
"In these places, I'm afraid that actions speak much more loudly than words."
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Such environments often suffer from diminished accountability, leading to stagnant or declining organizational performance.
A significant contributor to the lack of accountability, according to Spadoni, is conflict-avoidant leadership. He explains:
"I believe that one of the key causes of such a phenomenon is that leaders are conflict avoidant."
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Furthermore, he cautions that some leaders may even benefit from the existing problems, making them resistant to change:
"There may be leaders who benefit from that problem, and so they're going to be loath to actually fix it."
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To counteract these negative dynamics, Spadoni recommends implementing a "review of the day" exercise. This structured evaluation involves answering three pivotal questions:
He suggests:
"Ideally, this would be an open discussion among all those involved in the process as well as those most impacted by the outcome."
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The goal is to create a safe space for honest reflection without devolving into blame or mere venting.
Spadoni warns against the exercise turning into a session of blame or self-pity. He emphasizes the facilitator's role in maintaining focus:
"The facilitator of a process such as this has to guard against finger pointing and blaming and usually just describing the guardrails up front, bringing this to everyone's attention."
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He identifies the most dangerous scenario as:
"Self pity and the open airing of woe is us laments."
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In such cases, teams may dwell excessively on obstacles and frustrations, hindering progress and innovation.
To navigate away from unproductive venting, Spadoni proposes a sequence of targeted questions:
What are the top three things that happened which negatively impacted the project and which we did not anticipate?
"What are the top three things that happened which negatively impacted the project and which we did not anticipate?"
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This allows for initial venting but should be time-limited to prevent stagnation.
Could we have anticipated those?
How could we have reacted differently to them?
What can we do next time to prevent or plan for surprises?
He advises:
"This progression... transitions into a learning orientation quickly."
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By moving from identification of problems to proactive solutions, organizations can foster a culture of continuous improvement.
Recognizing that internal biases may impede honest discussion, Spadoni suggests involving third-party facilitators:
"You may also want to consider bringing in a third party or an external resource to help facilitate such a process."
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An unbiased expert can:
Spadoni underscores that thriving organizations seize opportunities to grow, learn, and enhance their operations. He notes:
"Better organizations will capitalize on opportunities to grow, learn, and improve, and the completion of a major organizational initiative is the perfect time and place to do so."
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By adopting structured reflection practices and emphasizing learning over blame, organizations can overcome challenges and achieve sustained success.
In closing, Rey Spadoni reiterates the importance of moving beyond self-pity to embrace learning from mistakes. He encourages leaders to implement the discussed strategies to foster resilient and impactful organizations.
"Active learning requires a willingness to rise above the challenges."
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Key Takeaways:
Accountability is Crucial: Owning the outcomes of decisions fosters improvement and prevents recurring mistakes.
Avoid Conflict Avoidance: Leaders must confront issues head-on to maintain a healthy organizational culture.
Structured Reflection: Implementing exercises like the "review of the day" can facilitate constructive learning.
Prevent Blame Culture: Facilitators should ensure discussions remain focused on growth rather than blame.
Leverage External Expertise: Third-party facilitators can enhance the effectiveness of reflective exercises.
Embrace a Growth Mindset: Cultivating an environment that prioritizes learning and adaptation leads to sustained organizational success.
By integrating these principles, leaders can transform challenges into opportunities, ensuring their organizations not only survive but thrive in their missions to make a meaningful impact.