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Legal Analyst 1
Donald Trump's Department of Justice held a two day meeting with a convicted sex trafficker, gave her use immunity, something called Queen for a day. And now people are talking about whether or not she is going to get pardoned. How did we get here? Well, she was one of Donald Trump's best friends. Her name is Ghislaine Maxwell. And back in the day, in the 90s and early 2000s, Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, D Lane Maxwell, they basically lived on the same block in Palm Beach. They were close friends. Mar a Lago was used as some of the grounds where Ghislaine Maxwell as part of her sex trafficking ring. She would walk down the block and she would say, oh, who's that towel girl right there? Oh, a homeless girl named Virginia Jufre who somehow got a job under the age of 18 working in the spa at Mar a Lago. And then Ghilaine Maxwell would say, oh, I see you're at this spa. I would like to introduce you to someone who likes massages. You can travel the world. His name is Jeffrey Epstein. And thus Virginia Jufre was sex trafficked by Ghisain Maxwell. Or there's another story in the criminal case against Ghiain Maxwell. She was convicted of sex trafficking where Jane Doe, underage 14 year old girl, shows up at Malaga with Epstein and Elaine Maxwell and then she's introduced to Donald Trump. We don't know much more about that sure, it's probably in the files, we don't know, but that's kind of the stuff we'd want to see. There was a separate civil case, may or may not be the same 14 year old underage girl, Jane Doe said that in an encounter at Mar A Lago, Jeffrey Epstein basically pointed at her to Donald Trump and said, you like this little one? You like this little one? And that was a case against Epstein and Ghislaine. So Donald Trump sends his criminal defense attorney, former criminal defense lawyer, a guy named Todd Blanche, who now became the number two at the Department of Justice, the deputy Attorney general, to have a 10 hour meeting, 10 hours over two days with Ghisain Maxwell, convicted of sex trafficking. Someone who the DOJ previously said in a 2022 sentencing memorandum, complete lack of remorse, someone who's engaged in the most vile acts ever. The book should be thrown at her for causing many, many underage girls to be sexually assaulted and sex trafficked. But our DOJ rolled out the red carpet. It was like a meeting of dignitaries, ambassadors meeting with each other. Donald Trump sent the DOJ to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell quicker than he sent FEMA into Texas to deal with the flash floods. And I'm not even being sarcastic about that. So a 10 hour meeting took place. Todd Blanche, Trump's criminal defense lawyer, David Oscar Marcus, who is Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer. They're very chummy with each other. They're close friends in the Florida bar. Many people said David Oscar Marcus was someone who Donald Trump wanted to be his criminal defense attorney. That's what I heard amongst many lawyers in Florida. And then Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer left. Very productive meetings. Very, very, very productive product. What are we talking about? And then we learned that the Department of Justice gave Ghislaine Maxwell a special type of immunity called use immunity or proffer immunity or queen for the day immunity, a sex trafficker Queen for the day, everybody. And don't let anybody gaslight you because when I bring Michael Popak in, he'll explain that while use immunity is something that may be given to co conspirators at some point in time, not after they are convicted and show no remorse for sex trafficking and are in prison, if you were to give immunity, that happens before the criminal cases go. So this is highly unusual and also the timing of it as well. The Democrats were able to do a maneuver last week to get the deposition of Ghislaine Maxwell and also to get files from or demand the files from the Department of Justice. The DOJ in my view, is likely going to obstruct that. But the deposition of Delaine Maxwell is set for right around August 11th or so. And so Donald Trump found out. Oh my God, Congress is going to speak to Ghislaine. Let me get my former criminal defense lawyer because the DOJ basically represents me from my own criminality at this point. And that's why Todd Blanche rushed to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. And now Ghislaine Maxwell saying through her lawyer, not really sure if we're going to speak to Congress at all, may invoke the fifth when it comes to Congress, even though Congress can give a version of use immunity with the laws less settled there versus the DOJ doing it. And also if she doesn't speak to Congress, guess who would be having to prosecute that. It would still have to be a referral to the doj. And they ain't going to prosecute her for contempt of Congress because they spoke to her and gave her the use immunity. Do you see how this works? So in other words, in conclusion, or I should say in conclusion to start the show, Donald Trump is protecting right now, like, like he's covering up the regime's covering up a child sex trafficking ring. What are we talking about here? How could this be the subject of. I just want to say how unusual it is that this is my intro of Legal AF on July 26, 2025. Let's bring in Michael Popak. Michael Popak, I saw you looking away and disgust the star reading my newspaper.
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Legal Analyst 2
To get ready for the segment. The it's even worse. It's hard to believe. It's even worse than you just described it because the whole scandal within a scandal within a scandal wrapped in a scandal that is the Epstein pedophile cover up by Donald Trump is so much worse. The steps are even one or two before you even mention. First you have to get rid of the line prosecutor who was responsible for the prosecution of Ghislaine Maxwell, Comey's daughter. You fire her two weeks ago. So that when Todd Blanche goes and meets with his buddy David Oscar Marcus and I'm one of those Florida lawyers that you know and who was best friends with Alan Dershowitz. He was his mentor at Harvard, David Oscar Marcus. I know that because I went on David Oscar Marcus website and he's got a photo of a young David Marcus along with his ment toward Alan Dershowitz, who was also embroiled in the sex scandal, was accused by the same Virginia Joffrey's as you mentioned earlier in a documentary. So Epstein, you know, Marcus is on the. Is on the radar. He's good friends with Todd Blanch. They had a little. A little giggling like school girls on a podcast moment a year ago that I caught. So this is all a setup. First you get rid of the line prosecutor so that when you. And this is. I don't think this has ever happened in the Department of Justice history that the number two or number one in the office go meets with a convicted felon, sex trafficking or otherwise, to have an interview with her. Not and not bringing along. There were a lot of people on that photo you showed with Todd Blanche, but none of them were the actual prosecutors who know the evidence that all those people, none of them are Lyme prosecutors. None of them prosecuted her. They don't know the truckload of documents and evidence that were used at the grand jury and in the room to convict her. Nine zero in New York in front of a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, which is why she's serving 20 years. With all due respect to David Oscar Marcus, who's doing a masterful job trying to get his client a pardon. She's not a scapegoat just because the other guy, you know, died somehow before his trial. Epstein, She's a co conspirator just like he was, and she's serving time as a result. So you don't go alone to the meeting without the prosecutors that prosecuted the case next to you. Because when you. When she lies to you, you can't catch her in the lies because you don't want to catch her in the lies. They. Before he went into that and got. And she got queen for a day or use immunity or limited proper immunity. There's variations on a theme. They're all slightly different, but they all mean the same thing, which is in this case, which is ultimately, you tell us the truth now and we'll give you immunity. We won't prosecute you for anything that you say. We may develop the. The evidence independently, but we won't. And we may. But if you lie to us, that's a problem. But how does he know whether he lies to whether she's lied? Because Maureen. Maureen Comey has been fired. So they bring her out. They don't even keep her in the federal. The penitentiary. There's a room in the penitentiary for this type of interview. And you and I have done. I've represented white collar criminal defense, you know, clients, and I've done interviews with witnesses and others in the federal penitentiaries and there is a room for that. But no, they spent taxpayer dollars to treat her like you said, like a queen for a day. Bring her out, bring her to Tallahassee somewhere to have this meeting over two days. I think she gets returned in the, in the middle of it. And there they developed the client list. Now, he knew going in, Todd Blanche, what she was going to say because David Marcus told him in a proffer, this is what she is going to say. I heard Ellie Hoenig on CNN say something like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't let her have that interview without taking the Fifth Amendment. Ellie, he already knew what this, what the proffer was going to be. And all he cares about, even though 100 names were discussed, is that she clears Donald Trump because when he came out of that 12 hour shit show, he said in social media, Todd Blanche, at the appropriate time, I'll let everybody know what the results of that interview was. The interview of a sex trafficker who was convicted. Now, you know where this is going. This she's going to say that Donald Trump was not involved with the young girls. And in return, this is the quid pro quo. She's going to get a pardon. I'll turn it back to you because I know you got some great pardon clips related to that.
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Legal Analyst 1
That and the pardon's not going to happen necessarily right away. It'll probably be held in abeyance until the end of Donald Trump's term. There's probably some exchange of collateral to prove that it's actually going to get done. And then she takes a very different tune when it comes to what Congress is going to be asking her. She either doesn't remember things she doesn't answer or she invokes the Fifth Amendment when it comes to the questions from Congress. So let's just go through though, to your point, Popak, on the issue of pardons. So CNN put this together of how did Donald Trump previously address whether or not he was going to give pardons to people like Flynn and Manafort and Roger Stone. Watch the language he used there. Here, play this clip.
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Donald Trump
I don't want to talk about pardons for Michael Flynn.
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Legal Analyst 1
Yet you pardon Paul Manafort.
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Donald Trump
I have not even given it a thought as of this moment.
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Legal Analyst 2
Roger Stone, are you going to pardon him?
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Legal Analyst 1
Sir, he's been convicted of felonies.
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Donald Trump
Am I going to pardon him? Well, I hadn't thought of it. I think it's very tough what they did to Roger Stone.
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Legal Analyst 1
And here is how he responded on Friday to the question about pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell. Play this clip.
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Legal Analyst 2
Would you consider a pardon or a.
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Legal Analyst 1
Commutation for Elaine Maxwell?
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Donald Trump
If it's something I haven't thought about, it's really recommended. It's something. I'm allowed to do it, but it's something I have not thought about.
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Legal Analyst 2
But you wouldn't rule it out.
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Legal Analyst 1
How do you say that?
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Legal Analyst 2
I.
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Legal Analyst 1
You should say I would rule it out. She's a convicted son sex trafficker. It's not something.
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Legal Analyst 2
No, you just gave the tell. He's going to pardon her. Because he always does.
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Legal Analyst 1
Exactly. And here's the thing, though. He's making it worse for himself and he's clinging to, I guess, the Charlie Kirks and the Maga Mush crew that, that he needs to give them something so that they have the talking point. But the reality is, I'll hear from you. He makes it worse. Nobody asked, nobody, zero said release the statements from sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell after giving her immunity. We got the statements. No one has asked for this. We don't want this. We didn't ask for the grand jury testimony from the case either because one, it's Rule 6e material under federal rules of criminal procedure, meaning we know that stuff doesn't get turned over. It would have nothing to do with the Epstein list or the witness statements or other. That's not what the grand jury testimony is going to be. What the victims say about Epstein and Elaine, that's it. Not about other people. Other people are.
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Legal Analyst 2
So no one asked for them. Files.
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Legal Analyst 1
That's not the file. The files are the 300 gigabytes currently in the custody and control of the FBI and DOJ for which they had a thousand agents and lawyers. One thousand agents and lawyers were taken off of their cases. They were taken off of drug cases, they were taken off of terrorist cases, they were taken off of sex trafficking cases, they were taken off of theft cases, some of the big embezzlement cases. To go through the Epstein files in order to flag every time Donald Trump's name was mentioned or any of Donald Trump's friends names were mentioned and to present a report on that, which a report was presented on that. And we've learned, Wall Street Journal exclusive this week, that Donald Trump's name is all over this thing. And it's not a shock that it appears at least several times because on the stuff that has already been released, Donald Trump's name has appeared several times. And it hasn't just appeared like, oh, so and so flew on the plane once no, it's appeared in some of the most ghoulish of ways on the list. So in addition to seven, I mean, from what we have released already, right. In addition to the fact that Trump's on the flight logs at least seven times and that Epstein was on Trump's plane with a woman of indeterminate age at least once that we're aware of. In addition to Donald Trump being Doe 174, in addition to Donald Trump appearing in depositions where Epstein brought a sex trafficking victim to the Atlantic City Hotel and said, hey, I'm calling Donald. In addition to that, I mean, one of the key victims, Virginia Giuffre, was worked at Mar A Lago underage as a towel girl. She got a job there when she was homeless. And I've told the story a lot. You know, there's other examples where Maria Farmer and Epstein victim Maria Farmer and I believe her sister were victims of Epstein. Maria Farmer is in an office building of Epstein's when Maria Farmer says, Trump walks in, she's wearing gym clothes. Trump looks her up and down. Epstein comes out and goes, that one's not the one for you, or that one's not for you, or, or words to that effect. And then says, go into the other room, Donald. Maria Farmer says things like that and does that. We know that Donald Trump threw a party at Mar a Lago where it was just him and Epstein and they brought in 30 modeling, modeling models, modeling girls. And the person who brought the girls there thought that there was going to be like other like VIP execs to give them opportunities in the modeling agency. And it was just Trump and Epstein. So do, do we, Were they playing cards, you think, with the girls? Were they, you know, were they just playing, you know, I don't want, I'm not trying to make light of it.
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Legal Analyst 2
Mentoring the girls.
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Legal Analyst 1
Was there a mentoring session? You know, so we, we don't know. I, I don't know. I can't say specifically what happened at that event. I can't say what happened at other things when Epstein was there. You know, I can't. But, but I can also say Donald Trump was friends with John Casablancas, the Elite Model Management Agency guy who left his wife to sexually assault a 15 year old girl and called her a girl woman and then left his second wife to marry a 17 year old girl. And Elite Model Management, which partnered with Trump on a lot of things, like the look of the Year competition had a lot of those young girls become sexually assaulted. It's not just Epstein, it's Casablancas and other people, you know.
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Legal Analyst 2
Well, it's also, it's also. Wait, hold on one second. It's also Donald Trump. I mean, the insiders that are leaking from the White House say that he is very worried about what are in the Epstein files because they're going to quote f him and they're going to accuse. And there's Monk, there's funny business in there. Well, when you're in funny business with a sex trafficker of underage girls, that they're being raped. Yes, that may be a problem. And the reason that Donald Trump is hanging himself there was somebody once said, which I agree with, nobody is keeping the story alive better than Donald Trump. You'd think if I didn't know better, you'd think he'd want to have this story be kept alive. The Wall Street Journal, you showed the clip where he didn't. Well, we're gonna show the clip where he denies that he's in the Epstein files. Wall Street Journal runs an article which is a total middle finger from Rupert Murdoch back to Donald Trump two days after or a week after the original article that he got sued for $20 billion. Yeah, you're suing me for $20 billion. Here's a new article that you got briefed in May by your Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, that you're lousy all over the Epstein files as we've now redefined them. And that's the Wall Street Journal's response, which gave license to the New York Times to run its articles as Midas Touch continues to write its articles. And the takeaway is as Donald Trump wants to put Pandora back in the box, he's making it worse because there is a running narrative that he is covering up, if not a participant in sex trafficking of girls. And even though the Republicans in recent polling don't seem to care much about it, the rest of America does. Only 16% of America think Donald Trump's doing a good job handling the Epstein files and the issues around it. 16%. And Maga knows that that's not a good look for them come the midterms. We'll get later into the polling about the economy and immigration, which are two big losers for them with independence. But Epstein won't go away. The Democrats won't let it go away. Good moral people won't let it go away. Maybe if it was something else, maybe it was about just good old fashioned embezzlement or real estate fraud or mortgage fraud, maybe the story would go away, but it's not going away because it's raping of girls. There are 1,000 victims, some of which are still alive, that haven't committed suicide, that are up in arms. Because he's interviewing Queen for the day, Maxwell to save his own hide. And that is where this administration is, which is why we have to continue to report on it.
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Legal Analyst 1
So just think about his reaction to the Wall Street Journal article. The Wall Street Journal article says Donald Trump writes a birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein, along with numerous other people who knew Jeffrey Epstein. Wealthy, powerful people. Epstein's ex girlfriends, high school friends, Alan Dershowitz. They say they wrote birthday cards to him. And, you know, and look, Donald Trump said a number of things in light of their relationship that is deeply, deeply alarming, you know, and, you know, and creepy and concerning something about like, enigmas always stay the same age or never age, and secrets, secret, our secrets, you know, our beautiful secrets, you know, should always remain together. But just think, if you were innocent, why would you believe that that carries with it a defamatory intent? Wouldn't the response be, if you were innocent, hey, we were rich guys who lived down the block from each other. I was asked to do this. I didn't know about his past, and I was disgusted by it. I kicked him out of the club, and I never talked to him again. And anybody who reads further into my statements, you are the ones who are creepy or whatever, isn't that what an innocent person would respond? But instead, Donald Trump takes the birthday card and goes, oh, my God, this is defamatory. How is that more defamatory than you saying Epstein is a great guy who likes women on the younger side? How is it more defamatory than all of the things that I actually, how is it more defamatory than you sending your DOJ to give the sex trafficker of Epstein queen for the day and treating like a dictator? Pop, I know you're reeling to go, but we got to take our. This is an intense episode we're getting. We're digging into it.
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Legal Analyst 2
You're going to love how we're going to flip this around. Go ahead.
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Legal Analyst 1
We got to take our first break. I want to remind everybody that Michael Popak has a law firm, the Popoc firm, at your request. He started this firm because you said, hey, Michael, if we've got cases, can we come to you? Before he couldn't. Now he has the capability. So if you've been injured in an accident, car accident, trucking accident, where you've had to have surgeries, if you know someone who's been injured in an accident, catastrophic injuries, wrongful death cases, sexual assault cases, sexual harassment cases, medical malpractice cases, negligence. Reach out to popox Firm consultation is free. How do they find you? Popak?
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Legal Analyst 2
Yeah, thank you for doing that. And next week I'm going to actually I'm in a meeting with all of the lawyers, top trial lawyers that work with me on these cases. We're going to be meeting in Chicago next week and get together and talk about all the cases that we're handling for our legal AF audience. So it's easy. You go to 1-877-popak-AF p o p o k a f and there's no AI there. There's a live person that'll work through your case and talk about and start the case evaluation process. Or you can do it with a form and read more about the firm at the law Firm's website, the popoc.
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Legal Analyst 1
Firm.Com Everybody subscribe to the Legal AF YouTube channel. They're close to 1 million subscribers. Subscribe right now. Subscribe to the Legal AF substack. Subscribe to the Midas Touch substack as well. Let's take our first quick break of the show. We will be right back. We've got more info we're going to dig into, including the New York Times story with Donald Trump's message to Jeffrey Epstein on the book. To Jeff, you are the greatest. You are the greatest.
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Legal Analyst 2
The greatest.
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Legal Analyst 1
We'll take our first quick break.
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Legal Analyst 1
Welcome back to Legal AF. Thank you to those sponsors. They keep the show alive, folks. We don't have outside investors, so support our sponsors discount codes in the description below. Okay, Michael Popak, let's get into it. So as I explained, that Wall Street Journal lawsuit that Donald Trump filed, perhaps the worst lawsuit ever. I mean, if you and I predicted how bad it was going to be for Donald Trump, now with the New York Times expose coming out that they've seen the book, they know that Donald Trump is one of the many people like in the table of contents that are listed in this leather bound book. They confirm that they got another note from the book that kind of further confirms it. And then the New York Times found a book, one of Donald Trump's books that he sent to Epstein, where Donald Trump signed it and said, jeff, you are the greatest. So, Popak, you were anxious to talk before the break?
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Legal Analyst 2
Yeah, I want to do it. I want to do it two ways. One, the reason why Trump is, as you say in the past, is operating under the law of holes and digging a deeper hole for himself every time is because he has challenged the media to go after him and put a lie to his revisionist history that he wasn't that close to Epstein. He didn't know about Epstein. And Epstein, quote, unquote, was a creep who he kicked out of Mar A Lago. That's not why he was kicked out of Mar A Lago. And that's a lie. They had a falling out in 2004 because they fought over a piece of real estate in Palm Beach. In Palm beach that went to Trump for $50 million but was bid up by Epstein because they were fighting over the same single family piece of property. That's why. Not because. Or if you take it to its, if you take Trump at his word, which he never can do, Trump knew about Epstein being a pedophile in 2004 and didn't do anything about it and then rewarded his prosecutor who cut him a sweetheart deal and let him get off while thousands of women were being raped and abused with a slap on the wrist. Alex Acosta and made him your labor secretary in the Trump administration as a reward. Which is it, Trump? Is it you knew and he was a creep and you did nothing else about it except reward people around them or you didn't know anything about it and you barred him because of the corruption thing. The easiest way you and I do this as lawyers in front of juries all the time is take Epstein out of the equation. Let's suppose Donald Trump's relationship was not with Epstein. It was with Jeffrey Dahmer who chopped up people and ate them. You know, let's just take Dahmer instead of Epstein. And there's evidence of Donald Trump writing to Jeffrey Dahmer, your sweet little secrets. Your, your, your little, your little, you're an enigma. Now when people say, give him a break, he didn't know Jeffrey was eating people. But why isn't it proper reporting to put the two and two together? You don't get to be best friends and that's what they were for 15 years. I defy anybody. Put it in comments tonight. Name one other person not named Trump that Donald Trump was best friends with during that same period that he hung around with and did the Playboy thing in Palm beach and in New York, like Jeffrey Epstein. Who else went to his wedding with Marla Maples? Who else went with him on the plains? Who else went with him to these phony beauty pageants in order to solicit whatever from women and girls? Who else? Nobody. And so now Donald Trump needs to rewrite history and he's challenged the media to put a lie to it every time he says, I wasn't that close. The book, the endorsement, the photo, the birthday card, the wedding picture, the this, the that, and the reason we're doing it, or when you and your brothers dug up the 20 year old civil testimony and deposition of Jeffrey Epstein, where somebody was smart enough to ask the question, did Donald Trump have relationships or was he with young girls? I take the Fifth Amendment. The reason we're doing all of it, besides being circumstantial evidence, which is proving our case, is because Donald Trump is denying the relationship and the closeness of the relationship. He's suggesting that he couldn't possibly have known about Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking and his pedophilia. And that is, we're making the case to the American people that that is impossible, that if we're making the closing argument, which you and I do almost every time we get together in some way, then it would be. You'd have to bury your head in the sand and ignore all of these data points that we just laid out inside and around, orbiting around Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. You'd have to close your eyes to it in order not to suggest that at the very least, whether he participated in it or not is for another day. But he must have known about. I asked out of Michael Cohen, who doesn't really have any inside knowledge of that particular relationship, but I said, is it possible, given the weight of examples that we have of the closeness of the relationship, including women and girls, that he would not have known? And Michael said, no, I don't think it's possible that he would not have known. So even those closest to him say what we're saying, and this is what we're doing. It's not that we're convicting him of the crime of raping girls. I'm talking about Donald Trump now. But we are convicting him of the thing he is guilty of, which is that he showed tremendously poor judgment. He must have known about those relationships and is now getting embroiled in it and can't get himself out from under it. In fact, as I said at the top, he is the number one reason you and I continue to talk about it is because of how Donald Trump is handling this matter.
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Legal Analyst 1
Look, he was found liable for sexual abuse, okay, in a civil case. He's on camera talking about grabbing women's genitals. And he says, because you're rich, you can get away with anything, and they let you do it. At his deposition, when he was asked about it, he says, that's just what men have done for millions of years. He said. He said, fortunately or unfortunately, that's just what men have done for millions of years. Then he's asked, oh, are you saying that the reason that you couldn't have sexually assaulted this victim or that victim is because you don't find them attractive? And he goes, well, they're not my type. That's not my type. Then he looks at the lawyer asking the question, Roberta, and said, by the way, you're not my type. And then Donald Trump went on a rant about aging Carroll during his deposition, where Donald Trump said, and then she talked about how she liked it and that she said it was sexy being sexually assaulted. She went on CNN and said it was sexy. And then Roberta Kaplan, e. Jean Carroll's lawyer, was like, you're Saying, you saw her say that she enjoyed being, like, sexually assaulted by you. Donald Trump's like, I think she said that on cnn. And then they took a break and she came back out and then said, you know, something completely different. That's not actually what happened on cnn. You know, with Donald Trump in Scotland today. Let's not forget that during this sexual assault civil trial against Donald Trump, he could have defended himself, he could have showed up, but instead, where did he go during the trial? He ran away to Scotland. And so instead of him testifying, they just played his deposition and he didn't testify in that case. Let's also remember that Donald Trump was the one who refused to give his DNA samples when it was being requested. And then once the trial started and discovery was closed, then Donald Trump's like, well, now I want to do a test and on the dress and I'll give my DNA sample. And people like you, you could have done that originally, but you refused to do that. And so, you know, you don't just get to break the rule. Why wouldn't you give it originally if you wanted to, you know, if you wanted to clear your name in a situation like that? And so we know that I've showed clips before as well, of Donald Trump speaking before the young Republicans, high school kids who want to be Republicans, or I don't know why, but who consider themselves Republicans in New York and college students. And Donald Trump tells the story about how he claims a general went up to him and said, the most courageous act that general's ever seen, and this general's gone to wars, is when Donald Trump called grabbing women by their genitals, sexually assaulting them. When he called that locker room talk, Donald Trump says, that general said to me, locker room talk. And that was the greatest thing I've ever seen, the most courageous thing I've seen. So we have these data points, which, frankly, should be disqualifying. And then you have Donald Trump weaponizing, weaponizing Epstein and the list and the files, which now we know he's in the files, which again, was never a shocker to me based on the fact that he's in the files that have been released, which to me are incredibly damning to begin with. But Trump's used them against all of his political opponents, Right? And Donald Trump would make all of these posts and say, you know, that the Democrats were involved in this and that what the real issues were were that, and they're the ones who are covering it up. And Bill Clinton went to the island and blah Blah, blah, blah, blah. And so he weaponized it when he was, when he was the closest. And now do you notice what Donald Trump's doing as well? I think we have a few clips that show this, where a reporter asked Donald Trump, what are you hoping that Blanche gets out of the Ghislaine Maxwell interview? And then I'll just like, I really haven't been following it, but I talk, talk about other people. Clinton, Larry Sumner, Listen to what Donald Trump says when he's asked about it in Scotland. Let's play it. What are you hoping?
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Legal Analyst 2
Interviewing basketball. What are you hoping that they get out of that?
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Donald Trump
I really have no, really nothing to say about it. She is being talked to by a very smart man, by a very good man, Todd Blanche. And I don't know anything about the conversation. I haven't really been following it. A lot of people are asking me about pardons. Obviously this is no time to be talking about pardons, but a lot of people have asked about pardon. This is just not a time to be talking about pardons. Todd will come back with whatever he's got. You've got make it a very big thing over something that's not a big thing. You should be talking about if you're going to talk about that, talk about Clinton, talk about the former president of Harvard, talk about all of his friends, talk about the hedge fund guys that were with him all the time. Don't talk about Trump. What you should be talking about is the fact that we have the greatest six months in the history of a presidency, according to a lot of people. And we had an amazing six months. And this is sort of an example of it. Now we're meeting with the European Union, having, we're also meeting with, as you know, the head of UK.
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Legal Analyst 1
And then Donald Trump said before he left that he said he has a list. Trump says you should focus on Clinton, the Harvard guy, the hedge fund guys. And Donald Trump says that apparently Trump has the Epstein list. He goes, I have the list. He goes, listen to him. He goes, I have the list. I will give you the list of the people who were really the ones with Epstein. Here.
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Legal Analyst 2
Play this clip or he's eager to get out of prison.
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Donald Trump
Well, you know, he's a professional lawyer. I think he, he's been through things like this before. But, you know, you should focus on Clinton. You should focus on the president of Harvard, the former, former president of Harvard. You should focus on some of the hedge fund guys. I'll give you a list. These guys lived with Jeffrey Epstein. I sure as hell didn't. Thank you very much.
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Legal Analyst 1
He goes, I'll get, I guess he's got the, he's got the list. And then in the clip before that, do you notice that Donald Trump was asked, he wasn't even asked a question about pardons. He was saying, the question was, what do you hope to get out of this? Then Donald Trump eventually said basically that you should be talking about Trump, that you should be talking not about Trump, but about Clinton and hedge fund guys and Larry Sumner. And then Donald Trump brought up on his own, well, now is not the time to be talking about pardons not that it's off the table. And then he said, I haven't been thinking about it much. But then he had, he sent his number to, he brings up pardons and then he talks about the list. But Popak, this was the New York Times headline, New York Post headline, and this is telling. Ghislaine Maxwell gave the Department of justice info about 100 different people linked to Jeffrey Epstein. Lawyers say so we all know what we need.
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Legal Analyst 2
Another Murdoch paper. That's another Murdoch paper.
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Legal Analyst 1
Right, but, but we know what Trump is doing here. The plan is now give a list. This is how Trump's going to try to deflect from himself. Give a list of other. And by the way, it's what a scumbag Donald Trump is too, right? Give me a list of other guys. Give me good names, not just Clinton, give me those hedge fund guys. I'm going to throw their names out. Right, to try to distract from me. Then let's have the media focused on all of them and not Trump. Or maybe we all every, you know, now it just becomes a bigger story.
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Legal Analyst 2
And then they'll find, well, look, look, the false equivalency has already been established because they're trying to create a false criminal investigation and abuse of power. I did a whole hot take recently on the Midas Touch Network about this being six months in the most scandal ridden and corrupt Department of Justice we've ever known. Say what you want about Merrick Garland, he moved too slow, he was too ponderous, he was too tortoise like, but he wasn't corrupt. And we've never talked about a corrupt Department of Justice. We've had a corrupt FBI under Edgar Hoover and we've had presidents that use the corrupt FBI, but never a Department of justice that sold its soul so quickly because of who it's owned by, who its daddy is. Which is, which is Donald Trump. And that's why Donald Trump has all of his Former criminal defense lawyers as, as the top leadership in the Department of Justice. Impeachment and criminal defense lawyers Pam Bondi, Emil Beauvais, John Sauer and Todd Blanche. That's the, that's the top right. And then he brought in the political, the political people like, you know, the person that lost the Republican National Committee chairmanship. So she gets to be the head of the civil, the civil rights division, as she chloroforms it and puts it out of business. That's what he has surrounding him. And so when he says, so the false equivalency is where Tulsi Gabbard, who is a crash test dummy that just pulled out, I thought she was basically being walked the plank. I think she was. And she says, I better make myself useful. I know, I'll go look in 2,500 pages of documents and reports by John Durham, Robert Mueller, the Senate Intelligence Committee, headed by Marco Rubio, the intelligence assessment. And I'll find something none of them ever found. And I'll find a link which now Dan Bongino is running around with, of corruption at the highest level with the Obama administration in the final days because Putin was trying to get Hillary Clinton elected. Nobody believes that instead of Donald Trump. The reason they don't want Hillary Clinton elected, they want Donald Trump elected is because our adversaries want Americans at each other's throats and seething. And Donald Trump has that knack for being able to do that and weaken the American populace and, you know, the American experiment. That's why they love Trump, because if he's not a Manchurian candidate or an asset of Russia, he certainly acts like one. So they didn't want Hillary Clinton. Say what you want about Hillary Clinton, but she was competent and they want her in there. So that makes absolutely no sense. At the same time, remember, Donald Trump was pitching the Russians to help him by releasing the emails that Hillary Clinton allegedly lost in her server. If you're listening out there, he said at a press conference, if you're listening, Russia, get me the email. So he was using Russia to try to win his election, but they've set up this false equivalency. Let's see if we go after Barack Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, that'll be the equivalency of the Epstein, and that'll balance it out. And the hundred names. My read of the reporting is that Blanche came in with 100 names, not the other way around. And we're going to get to the bottom of that as well. David. Oscar Marcus is very happy with the results of the interview because this is just the Kabuki theater that's happening. Fire James Comey's daughter, who's the prosecutor who knows everything about the Epstein file other than you. She's probably the other person in America and Julie K. Brown that knows Epstein like the back of her hand. Don't have her in the room, of course, during the conversations. Then as you read that the tell for Donald Trump is whenever he says he hasn't thought about something, he certainly has thought about it and then at some point in a week or two, he's going to pardon, he's going to pardon Maxwell at the end. The American people however, are not buying this creation of these phony paper tigers, these, you know, as a comparison to the Epstein thing. But you're right for Donald Trump to say I have the, of course he has the list. The list, by the way, that what's her name said was on her desk. Bam Bundy is effectively all the names that are in the gigabytes of information that was scoured by the FBI. You know how you and I know that? Because the thousand victims have lawyers and the lawyers know what their statements were, the 302s and the FBI statements where they identified all the people that were involved. That's the John's list. That's the list. And Donald Trump, he had a Freudian slip just like she did Pam Bundy. There is a list and Donald Trump's name is lousy on it. And that is the problem. I don't know how he makes this thing go away. One, we're never going to let it go away. The Democrats have out foxed the Republicans on this, starting with the House Judicial Oversight Committee and James Comer where the Democrats got three Republicans, including Nancy Mace to join with them to issue the subpoenas. Now look, some of the subpoenas they're asking for I don't like. Like I don't want Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton to be sucked into depositions either for this charade. But they are going to issue it to Maxwell. They want the leather bound birthday book. They want all the stuff that Donald Trump is desperately trying to hide. And the question I have for you though as we round out of the segment, this extended hot take is what do you think the impact on the midterms and on the MAGA ability to stay in in Congress is like what is the impact of the Epstein scandal cover up for Donald Trump and everybody who's got an R next to their name. The midterms, you Know, I'm not trying.
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Legal Analyst 1
To cop out of answering the question, and I don't want the audience to get mad at me when I say what I'm about to say. And I'm not trying to be facetious because I think it's an important question. So I say this with the utmost respect to everything out there. I don't care with this one. I really don't care. You know, would it be great if it has an impact? You know, sure. But see, I just think the laser focus right now, instead of the midterm impact, it really just needs to be. Do not let this be one of these moments where Donald Trump squirms out of it. Right? We're the media now. This network gets more views than any other channel that's out there. And Donald Trump has his ways of controlling the media to change the narrative. Right. We're seeing it play out here. We see his formulation, right? I mean, salty. Throw up this video right here of, like, what they're saying on Fox, right? And other networks see what Fox is doing, and then they bite the bait. So here's Hannity. One thing is crystal clear. Obama. Obama. This is the Obama. Play this clip.
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One thing is crystal clear. Barack Obama was a terrible president and he abused his power. He fomented a culture of pious corruption inside the halls of our federal bureaucracy. To this day, I can all but assure you that the former deep state actors who carried out this plot to delegitimize a duly elected president, Donald Trump, still believe they did nothing wrong. They didn't care at all about the will of all of you, the American people. They believe their opinions mattered much more. And this information clearly is suggesting that they were willing to lie, manipulate, undermine a duly elected president. To them, using the almighty power of the US Government to subvert the will of the American people is what.
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Legal Analyst 1
Right. That's a form of brainwashing right there. And then other media controlled by Donald Trump, and you're going to do a take on this with the CBS approval going through and the FCC chairman Brendan Carr basically saying, we control CBS now. We're putting an ombudsman in there. We're going to basically control what their content's going to be. And that's. There's a chilling effect across media. So Trump sits in the Oval Office with his team, Susie Wiles, all of them, you know, doj, what do we do here? Okay, number one, let's, let's go for grand jury transcripts. We know the courts are going to deny him because we're not entitled to it. Blame the courts. What else do we do? We've got contacts with Ghislaine Maxwell. We know the lawyer there. Okay, let's set up that Ghislaine Maxwell thing. Let's have her list other names. Let's get the media to kind of chase that, and we'll do that. All right, what else are we going to do? Obama. Let's focus on Obama and say the 2016 Obama was involved, you know, in whatever. And then what do we do? Let's turn our attention to, you know, some other scandal and then try to get out of this, you know, get out of this cycle. And so we see it. So my point is, you know, not we should care about the midterms and the impact of it. So it's not that I don't, I don't care with this one. Donald Trump and the GOP are basically the gop, the guardians of pedos at this point. That's what the GOP stands for. And for me, this isn't an issue about blue or red or Democrat, Republican. It's truly an issue about good versus evil. And we have MAGA right now, which weaponized the victims of sex trafficking, are the ones covering up for it. And they've revealed their plan all along. And to me, what I'm focused on, and I know you're focused on every day, is bringing the story to people and explaining what they're going to do. So we're steps ahead of it now that we control the media and more people are watching what we're doing.
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Legal Analyst 2
So, listen, I didn't mean to set you up with it. I don't disagree that there are just some stories that don't, You've, you know, talked about this last week that it just doesn't matter what the political impact of something is. It's just morally disgusting and depraved. And we got to call it out. Like, if Donald Trump was accountable, like, the question wouldn't be, how do you think that's going to impact in the midterms? I mean, you know, you just have to follow the story and train our artillery on it. And like you said, and I agree with you, mainstream media, or as the only time I've ever agreed with Brendan Carr for the fcc, I did this in my hot take is Brendan Carr said that mainstream media can no longer be trusted to the American people to provide them with news and information. I'm like, correct. They are now drafting behind Midas Touch and Legal AF in their reporting because we were out in front. You were out in front a year and a half ago talking about Epstein and reminding people why that connectivity, why that intersection between Trump and Epstein, why was so important having nothing to do with electoral, with electoral success. The good news is as we sort of transition here, you know, all the polls are out, all the polls post the big beautiful Bill, post his attack on human beings in California and other places, you know, in the immigration, depraved immigration policy. And it's all terrible for Donald Trump. I mean, he's 30 points under with independence. The only time he was ever like that is when he lost the last election. People hate his handling of the economy. I mean, hate it. Independence especially. I mean, they've left. Elvis has left the building. They hate his handling of immigration. Hate it. I'm sorry, Americans don't want to see children in handcuffs, human beings chased through churches, schools, factories and farms. They don't want to see ICE agents high fiving on secretly recorded video because they just made a bounty by tasing and abusing people that were stopped in an immigration stop, which is in Florida. I'll be doing reporting on that soon. And they hate it. And the two things he thinks got him elected are the economy and immigration. It was really just the economy and the economy and how he's handling inflation and he's in the toilet. Enten on CNN said, I thought there'd be a floor for how low Donald Trump could drop with independence, but apparently he's burst through that floor and there is no end in sight at how low he is going. And yet he continues to press the losing hand while we continue to talk about the scandals. It's a scandal a day and scandals within scandals are in the Trump administration. I hate to remind people, but we're only six months into this shit show. If this was on network television, it would already be canceled.
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Legal Analyst 1
And if we were a parliamentary system where you could have snap elections, he would. And we had a multi party system, he'd be gone. Which, by the way, we may want to explore those systems right there in the future. They tend to seem a little bit superior to what we've got then here in retrospect. But yeah, independents, Trump's approvals right around 28, 29% and then on all of those issues, right around 25 to 29% approval. When we come back, I want to talk about some of the other cases that are out there. We spent a lot of time in Epstein, but I also want to talk about the anatomy of a deal and I just want to talk at the beginning about like why these trade deals are not real deals and what a deal means that they have to like exist to start off with and how when Donald Trump talks about Japan and this and that, they're not deals. And I'll explain to you, we'll break that down and we'll talk about some of these other cases. Last quick break of the show. Reminder. Michael Popox Law firm, the POPOC firm. If you've been injured in an accident, car accident, trucking accident, and if you've had surgeries, procedures, and you need legal help, you're the victim of kind of a serious injury, reach out to the Popoc firm. If you know somebody who's been injured, anyone's in a wrongful death type of situation where they died as a result of an accident that you know, if you're a victim or know someone is a victim of sexual harassment or sexual assault or otherwise, reach out to the POPOC firm. Where can they find you? Michael?
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Legal Analyst 2
Yeah, I made it easy. Thanks, Ben. It's two ways to approach the firm. One is to go on the website. You can learn more about the Firm. It's at www.thepopocfirm.com. we got all our practice areas, all the things that we handle, a description of the other lawyers that work with me, and of course, a free consultation form to fill out because we don't get paid unless you do in these kind of cases or you can make a phone call and talk to a live person. No AI here. By calling 1-877-POPAK AF.
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Legal Analyst 1
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Legal Analyst 1
Welcome back to Legal af. Pretty comprehensive coverage right there on all things Epstein. All the updates there. I want to address two things. Let's talk about some other cases. Popak will do that. Updates. Big ones too. Is you know, are any of these Trump lawyers going to lose their legal licenses? Remember what and remember that's what we said was one of the tools that these judges were going to use. Because money doesn't matter because it's Sanctioning the federal government, it's our taxpayer dollars. So that's not going to work in terms of sanctioning Trump or whatever. Unfortunately, given the immunity rulings, that's not going to work. Right. But the issue becomes holding a lawyer in contempt and then referring the lawyer who lied to a court for disciplinary proceedings before a state bar, where some of these DOJ lawyers will lose their legal licenses for lying to the court with pretty extensive records of perjury. That should be something that dissuades them from lying to the court, even if that means they're going to be fired. Like the Trump regime has fired lawyers who have been honest. But those people will go on and remain lawyers if that's important to them. And I guess if it's not important for you to go on and be a lawyer, then, you know, I guess you lie and then you can lose your legal license and, you know, hopefully you're going to retire soon, because if you think that, you know, you're going to exist in this era forever, I think there's a problem there. Talk about that in a moment. Just the one thing I wanted to address before turning that side over to Popak are just these trade deals. You know, for there to be a deal, a deal has to exist. So I just want everybody to exercise common sense. So which our media doesn't do. So every time Trump announces a deal, our first question should be, where is it? Because deals are not social media posts. Trade deals are things we can read. The countries that make the deals, they have to present it, usually to their parliament or their legislative branches for approval, usually, almost always. And that's what exists or supposed to exist in the United States as well. Even if Donald Trump's going to declare some emergency power or whatever that he's able to, that, you know, whether it's, you know, Canada's attacking the America, whatever crazy, hateful things he's saying about Canada or Mexico or Europe or other countries and lying about, okay, you still have to have a deal, and we have to see it. And what are the terms of the deal? Now, trade deals are not numbers. Like, a trade deal is not. Your tariff is this. Our tariff is this. That's the deal. Trade deals are comprehensive, hundreds of pages, sometimes thousands of pages, that deal with all aspects of a relationship. But setting that aside, even the deals that Trump's claiming exist, even if they're short deals, they should be papered. So when Donald Trump claims, for example, with Japan, that we're imposing 15% tariffs on all goods from Japan reduced from 25% from Trump's letter to them. Okay, and which means still it's a tax on American importers, which is passed on to consumers. And prices are rising. Inflation is increasing right now. That's why Donald Trump's approval on inflation's like, you know, in the teens or in the 20s, because people are impacted by it. Despite saying it's all gone, there's no more inflation. We stopped inflation. We know, we know you're lying. But Donald Trump then also says Japan will be investing $550 billion into the United States. And from that $550 billion that they're investing, America will get to keep 90% of the profits from that investment, and Japan gets 10%. Now, Japan's entire GDP is less than the GDP of California. Okay, so Japan's entire GDP is about $4.2 trillion. California is like 4.5 trillion. So Donald Trump says we're getting a signing bonus from Japan that they're going to basically turn over what, 15, 20% of their entire GDP to the United States and only get back 10%. Does that make any sense to you? And it doesn't because it's made up. It's a signing bonus. Well, if it's, where's the deal that says that? And sure enough, Prime Minister Ashiba and chief Japanese negotiator Akazawa went back to Japan and they said there is no binding agreement. And by the way, they really couldn't even make a binding agreement because there was just a new election in the upper house of Japan last week. Prime Minister, she was about to resign in August as well. And so he can't even do a binding agreement. But there is no binding agreement. They've said that. They've also said that it's not a signing bonus to 550 billion. And basically, if you look at a five year period, say from 2018 to 2023, direct foreign investment from Japan into the United States was already about $783 billion. So for Japan, 550 billion was just a way of restating the direct foreign investment that Japan always does in general, not giving a new $550 billion as direct foreign investment. Japan holds, holds over $1 trillion in American treasuries. They're the biggest holder by far. They employ the most Americans of any country in Japanese companies. There was no tariff that Japan had against American vehicles, which Donald Trump claimed existed. Japanese roads are just smaller and they don't like American vehicles. And so there's no deal there. Or like when Donald Trump Says, I got Australia to agree to open up their markets to American beef. Why would Australia want American beef? They're, like the biggest exporter of beef. They've got the top premier beef. They don't want US Beef. Well, it's not a real deal. Our farmers here and our cattle ranchers, they're not going to be sending beef to Australia. It's all so stupid. It's all so dumb. It's all a fraud. It doesn't exist. And when we look at Epstein, when we look at these fake deals, you have to just come to the conclusion that everything this guy does is a lie and there's a reason he's a liar. This is what he's done his whole life. It's why we keep on saying these things. This is a guy who is a sexual abuser. This is a guy who. He's a criminal. He's a felon. He was found liable in a business fraud case for business records. He's been found liable for making up fake valuations for his property. He's literally a con artist. So it doesn't shock me that all of the things that he does is extort and then fraud. That's it. That's his M.O. so I want to leave you at that. Popac. Let's turn it over to immigration in some of these cases.
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Legal Analyst 2
Yeah. And nobody believes his tariff policies anyway. The Commerce Secretary's own family company is betting against the tariffs and selling products that bet that the tariffs are going to be struck down by the courts, which already started with the Court of International Trade. So I don't know, just to end it there, even if they went to the Rose Garden tomorrow and announced 150 new quote, unquote deals, these aren't deals that help the American people. They're just gonna be passed through at least a third of the tariffs onto consumer pricing, meaning inflation is going to go up right around the time of the midterms and Christmas. None of the tariffs are a good thing. They keep pointing to the. We brought in $58 billion from tariffs, but what about the trillions? You didn't collect an internal revenue because you cut the tax rate. It's just all a sham and a fraud. And every time they get that the tariffs don't work, they point to the stock market. Oh, look at the stock market. That is just another distractor. Stock market does not indicate health of the economy. All of the. Unfortunately, all the indicia that indicate the health of economy are in retrograde, meaning we're probably rolling into a recession under Donald Trump and he won't be able to blame Obama or Biden for that. Courts, though, are figuring out, it's like AI, they've figured out how they need to respond to Donald Trump's illegal abuse of power immigration policy and is lying to federal court courts and federal judges. And right on cue, when you and I heard and we did the reporting about Erez Ruveni, the whistleblower who worked 15 years in the immigration division of the Department of Justice, including when he worked in the Trump administration the first time around, they had no problem with him then when he was busy enforcing the Muslim ban. But you know, he tells the truth to one judge that Abrego Garcia should not have been sent to El Salvador because he had an order in his back pocket of non removal to El Salvador. He gets fired and now he becomes a whistleblower. 28 pages saying that Emil Bovey and others at a meeting told them to lie to federal judges effectively, when they're asked what's going on with planes that are fueling and being sent to El Salvador or other third countries, don't tell them even if you know and that we knew was bad and that that would, somebody would be making a referral to the bar associations. And lo and behold, let's start with chief Judge of the D.C. circuit, D.C. court Boasberg. Now, Boasberg's in an interesting, a little bit of a knot, but he figured out a way to get himself and wriggle out. He's the judge that back in April found probable cause to find criminal contempt against the Trump administration and the Department of Justice starting to put officials in jail. A three judge panel, two to one of the D.C. court of Appeals, led by Trumpers, Rao and Katzis not only issued an administrative stay back in April, we're now in July, almost August. But they haven't done a darn thing to advance the case. There's no oral argument, there's no supplemental briefing. The ACLU keeps filing with them here. Erez Reveni says that Department of Justice lawyers were told to lie to federal judges. They were like, all right, just put it in the docket, we'll get to it one day, meaning never. But so he can't move, he can't progress. Boasberg his his probable cause for criminal contempt. So when he was in a hearing on Thursday with this new information, he said, look, this, this whistleblower, this strengthens my probable cause for criminal contempt. And I know that the plaintiffs are frustrated. The ACLU and others are frustrated by the appellate Court not moving on this. But there is something that I can do and I'm strongly considering making referrals to state bar grievance committees and bar associations for disciplinary action against the Department of Justice because I've been lied to effectively, what he said. And we can have some hope that the DC Bar in particular, which is not led by Pam Bondi's brother, although he tried and is led by competent, really good people, are going to take that referral seriously and they're not going to take a cop out like the Florida bar and say, oh, we can't go after Pam Bondi because she's in federal office. We got to wait till she's out. Like, where is that in the bar rules? But I don't think the DC Bar is going to do that. I don't think the New Jersey bar is going to do that against Alina Abba. We'll touch on that in a minute, too. So he said he did the one thing left in his toolbox. I'm going after you guys, the Department of Justice lawyers who lied to me. That's one set of lies that we've talked about. You've got the Alina Haba. This is the corruption of the Department of Justice. Alina Haba can't get the full time gig of being the New Jersey U.S. attorney. Not only does Donald Trump have to have another scandal and another abuse of power that'll get challenged in the courts to give his office wife the job. That's how she get that's the only way she can get the job is if he violates the statute, violates the Constitution, withdraws her name from confirmation at the Senate so he can try to do some sort of appointment, a special attorney and get her the job. All this is going to do is buy another lawsuit against Donald Trump. If you're scoring at home, it'll be up to 500 lawsuits already against Donald Trump. And I also think there's another problem because if I'm a criminal defense lawyer in New Jersey and I get an indictment that has the office of Alina Haba written on it, I challenge her appointment and challenge the veracity or the validity of the indictment. Because once a person is found to have been improperly, unconstitutionally appointed to a position, then the argument goes that everything they did is void, Abnicio void at the start. So that's we got that to look forward to in New Jersey. Then you've got another judge, Judge Zinnis, who's handling the Abrego Garcia case, sort of a companion case with the one that Judge Boasberg is handling. And she's basically said, I'm going to take protective custody of Abrego Garcia. She's working in collaboration in her own way with, with the lawyer, with the judges in Tennessee who have the criminal case. So the criminal case against Abrego Garcia, which we've always known was a fraud, is going to be dismissed. They're not going to pursue it, but he's not going to get released from federal penitentiary marshal protection. He's been now ordered by Judge Zinnis to be brought to Maryland where she can keep a close eye on him as she continues to consider contempt against the Trump administration. Let me do a spoiler alert. She's going to ultimately find contempt against the Trump administration. And now she's got a different appellate court above her, one that doesn't have this Trump problem as much. The 4th Circuit and the chief judge is there, like Harvey Wilkerson and I think who's already supported her twice before, and I think they'll support a contempt charge against the Trump administration coming out of Zinnis. That's something to look forward to. And then lastly, you've got this judge in the Eastern District of New York that I just did a hot take on who wants to get to the bottom of. Why all of a sudden is Pam Bondi allowing the top leadership of MS.13, which I thought was one of the justifications, to declare that Donald Trump had war powers under the Alien Enemies Act? Why are they all being sent back to El Salvador and having their charges, federal charges, dismissed? We caught it early on, you and me, a couple of months ago, back in April, when she stood Pam Bondi in Virginia to try to embarrass the senator there who was supporting or in Maryland supporting Ambrego Garcia and saying, we caught an MS.13 top leader. We did. And then two weeks later, she dismissed the charges. Because this is the lie that the Trump administration makes. They set up the false narrative. We're taking pedophiles literally. That's a weird word for them. Strange word for them to be using right now. We are taking pedophiles and drug smugglers and rapists and murderers and evers off the streets. And if you're opposed to our immigration policy, you're a pro pedophile. We already know who thinks somebody's pro pedophile, but that's not what's happening. 60 or 70% of the people that are being caught up in these bounties by Stephen Miller are not criminals at all. They might have money, documented status, but they're not criminals. And so the judge in Long island is like, you're dismissing the charges against the number two in Ms. 13 after he's already provided testimony and evidence that Bukele in El Salvador is in bed with MS.13 and you're sending him to Bukele. And apparently this other bargain that you and I will continue to follow is that Bukele is going to give Trump, here's an art of the deal, a 50% discount on the $6 million that we gave Bukele to house human beings in ZCOT. He'll give back half of it if Trump sends all the people that have testified against Bukele in the United States back to Bukele. And she wants to get to the bottom of that. She's ordered the court, she's ordered the Department of justice by August 8th to give her a full report as to why the Ms. Thirteen people are being, their charges are being dism. What is the link between Bukele and that? And she also wants to know what. And the 200 people that you just human trafficked to another dictatorship in Venezuela with the Maduro campaign regime in order to get 10Americans out, why did that happen? Now we know what Trump's going to do. He's going to argue, oh, state secrets, oh, diplomacy, Article 2 powers. But it's a special shout out to that judge in Islip, Long island, near one of your old hometowns, who is putting the Trump administration and the Department of Justice putting their feet to the fire about this. And lastly on that, she also excoriated them because they actually had the balls to say everything about MS.13 and their dismissal of all these charges and the destruction of Operation Vulcan, which was supposed to take these people off the street. They wanted to do it behind sealed documents and behind the prying eyes of the public and the media. And she said out in 21 pages, she said, absolutely not. And I find it appalling that you're trying to do all this without the public knowing about it. We gotta still rely on federal judges, work in federal judges to hold the Trump administration's feet to a fire and call out their abuse of power.
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