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Michael Popak
NMLS 696891 Text messages the receipts may hang Email Bovey and the Department of Justice under Donald Trump in front of federal judges. No, this is not Grim Reaper time on Midas Touch. We got some great news. Remember that whistleblower Erez Revenue who worked in the Department of Justice immigration litigation for over 15 years and they fired him because he committed the crime of telling Judge Zinnis the truth that Abrego Garcia was illegally deported by ice. Remember that guy? Well, he got a lawyer and he decided I'm gonna be a whistleblower because I know what happened with Emil Bovey. Emil Bovey Donald Trump's criminal defense lawyer now the number three in the Department of Justice up for a lifetime appointment to the appellate court, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals. He's in the middle of a confirmation hearing. Not going so well. Especially when you have Erez Reuveni, who everybody who ever worked for the guy and worked with the guy and came up through the Department of Justice with the guy, said as an Eagle Scout, he cannot tell a lie. They believe him. Pam Bondi runs around, or Pamela Joe Bondi, as they like to refer to her in the whistleblower world. She says he's not a real whistleblower. He's just a leaker seeking his five minutes of fame. Five minutes of fame. The guy's LinkedIn picture is a courtroom sketch of him in court with Judge Zinnis. He's been toiling away in the Department of Justice as a nameless, faceless lawyer for 15 years. And now suddenly he wants to have his five minutes of fame. And it's 15 minutes of fame. Anyway, Bondi, let me tell you what just happened with the text messages which confirm that Emil Bovey told this is according to the whistleblower, told the assembled masses in March that as it related to the immigration and deportation actions of Donald Trump under the Alien Enemies act, that they, and I quote, were to go tell federal judges to go fuck off. Pardon my French. Tell them to go f themselves, give them the middle finger. That's what Erez Rouveni heard and that's what he confirmed and was joked about in text messages that he has with other people in the Department of Justice, like his boss, August Flenschin. So you've got the goods and you're here on Midas touch and legal af. Let's get down to it. Worst thing that Pam Bondi could have ever done was to fire Erez Roveni. They should have just let him toil away. We never would have heard from him. The resistance and the defiance would never have been exhibited. But no, they fired him and for doing his job, for telling the truth consistent with the rules of professional responsibility and his and his sworn oath as an officer of the court. Now, when he came out a month ago and said, I was told that 27 pages to the Senate Judiciary Committee that he claimed I was told in a meeting with my boss, including Drew Ensign, who. Who has been lying to federal judges, according to the whistleblower complaint, I was told by email, Bovey himself to, that we were going to give the middle finger and tell judges to go f off. We were not going to comply. We were not going to give him the information about these deported and removed people when asked. That's why Drue End said apparently asked by Judge BOASBERG in the D.C. the chief judge of the D.C. federal court about the 200 people in front of him, he was given misinformation about whether planes were landing or taking off after he had grounded them. Emil Bovey also is the one that came up the brilliant idea that because the injunction was only issued or the block was only issued by Judge Boasberg from the bench, it hadn't been written down yet, they could ignore it. And then they also lied to Judge Zinnis, same lawyer Drew Ensign, about their ability to bring Abrego Garcia back from El Salvador. And it's all come together now with these text messages which I'm going to read to you from first, I want to run a clip of when Adam this is just a couple of weeks ago when Senator Adam Schiff cross examined Emil Bovey about whether he told the group there, including Erez Roveni, the whistleblower, to go tell federal judges to go F off. Wait till you hear his response. It may or may not shock you. Let's roll the clip.
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Senator
Turn to the meeting that Mr. Rouvainy the whistleblower has written an extensive complaint about. The hearing started with the chairman reading a social media post by the deputy attorney General Blanche, who is present today but not under oath, nor is that social media post under oath. So let me ask you, since you are under oath in the complaint it says Beauvais stated that DOJ would need to consider telling the courts fuck you and ignoring any such court order. Did you say anything of that kind in the meeting.
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Emil Bovey
Senator? I have no recollection of saying anything of that kind to the extent I usually don't.
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Senator
You recall, Mr. Bove, if you said or suggested during a meeting with Justice Department lawyers maybe they should consider telling the court fuck you, it seems to me that would be something you'd remember, unless that's the kind of thing you say frequently.
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Emil Bovey
Well, I've certainly said things encouraging litigators at the department to fight hard for valid positions that we have to take into.
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Senator
And have you frequently suggested that they say fuck you and ignore court orders? Is that also something you frequently do, such you might not remember doing it in this occasion?
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Michael Popak
No.
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Emil Bovey
And as I explained, I have never.
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Senator
Directed did you or did you not make those comments during that meeting?
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Emil Bovey
Which comment, Senator?
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Senator
You really need me to repeat it? Did you suggest, as Mr. Rouveni wrote, that DOJ would need to consider telling the courts you and ignore any such court order?
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Emil Bovey
I did not suggest that there would be any need to consider ignoring court orders. At the point of that meeting, there were no court orders to discuss.
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Senator
Well, did you suggest telling the courts fuck you in any manner?
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Emil Bovey
I don't recall.
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Senator
You just don't remember that?
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Michael Popak
I can't recall. And as any good prosecutor cross examiner like Schiff, and I've been known to do that myself in 35 years of practice, you just say a version of you can't recall a meeting from March where you told somebody to go F off. I'll put you down for a yes, and then you move on.
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Michael Popak
And that's not the only thing that came up during the confirmation hearing that's coming out of these text messages. Let me read to you from the text messages and then I'll go to the next clip about email Bovet Coming up with this grand scheme in One text message which the Guardian and others are reporting on, in which they also dis Pamela Joe Bondi. Here's what the initial complaint said that Bovey had told the Justice Department they would need to consider telling the courts to f you and ignore any such court order. We just saw the clip where he said he can't recall. I'll put you. I'll put that down for yes. But then the text messages back and forth between Erez Raveni and August Flinchy, another lawyer in the Department of Justice. This is coming out of Bloomberg Law, reported in the Guardian, were the following. Here's the quote. Yes, guess we're about to say Fu spelled out to the court Super. Raveni texted a colleague. The colleague replied, well, Pamela, Joe Bondi is not you. In other words, don't worry, you're not telling the judges to f off. Pamela Joe Bondi is the. During the hearing, as you saw from the clip, Bovey denied that he ever instructed a Justice Department attorney to defy a court order. But the messages released by Raveni suggest that the Justice Department lawyers were aware of the possibility that they might have to ignore judicial orders because one of the newly disclosed emails by Rouveni shows that Bovey gave the okay to deplane the flights on foreign soil because the order from Boasburg blocking it or stopping it was oral in nature. Let's run the clip of that coming up during the confirmation hearing. Roll clip number two.
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Senator
Well, let me ask you this. It also says in the complaint Beauvais indicated and stressed to all in attendance that the planes needed to take off no matter what. These are the planes that a judge was ordering now not be used to render people to a maximum security prison outside the country. Did you say during that meeting, did you stress to all in attendance that the planes needed to take off no matter what?
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Emil Bovey
Senator, your characterization is not accurate.
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Senator
It's not my characterization. It's the characterization of a decorated prosecutor who was in that meeting. Are you saying that he's lying?
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Emil Bovey
As I said at the beginning of.
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Senator
The hearing, no, no, I'm not interested in what you said at the beginning of the hearing. I'm interested in whether you stressed to people in attendance that the planes needed to take off no matter what. Did you say that?
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Emil Bovey
I certainly conveyed the importance of the upcoming operation.
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Senator
Well, don't paraphrase here. Did you tell people in attendance the planes needed to take off no matter what?
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Emil Bovey
I don't recall the specific words that I used.
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Senator
Wouldn't you recall saying that if you had instructed that the Planes needed to take off no matter what, including whether the court ordered otherwise. You wouldn't remember that.
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Emil Bovey
This is a mischaracterization, Senator. There were no court orders at this point.
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Senator
Well, there was a court order, wasn't there? Wasn't there a court order by Judge Boasberg, if not in this specific case, then in related cases that. That people not be sent out of the country until the court could rule? Wasn't there a court order?
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Emil Bovey
Not at the time of that meeting.
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Senator
Did you. Did you participate in the decision not to disseminate that oral court order prior to the written court order to other agencies so those planes would not take off, so those planes would turn around? Were you involved in the decision to withhold that court order from the responsible agencies?
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Emil Bovey
I think it's clear that I participated.
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Senator
Yes or no?
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Emil Bovey
I participated in this matter. And I'm not going to get into the contents of legal advice I did over the course of time, as many.
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Senator
Lawyers have time, I'm interested in whether you participated in the willful violation of court orders as alleged in this complaint. Let me ask you this, Mr. Bouvet. If there are notes of that meeting, will you provide them to this committee?
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Emil Bovey
I defer to the committee and to the executive branch on the proceedings.
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Senator
And if the committee requests them, will you provide those notes to the committee?
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Emil Bovey
I defer to the executive branch on the handling of that request.
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Michael Popak
Now, according to Raveni's text message, here's how that came about. And so he's got the receipt that putting a lie to what you just saw in that testimony under oath by Ruveni. At this point, this is what somebody wrote. This is what revenue wrote in the March 19 message to someone. At this point, why don't we just submit an emoji of a middle finger as our filing to the federal judge. A picayune middle finger. So stupid. His boss, that's August Flenshy, wrote back the message. Shows how the lawyers were talking about it at the time. Again, everyone that's ever worked with Rouveni says the guy is on the up and up and should be trusted. And it sounds like him. Bondi comes back on X, of all places, of course, and tries to tear him down. She says, quote, we support legitimate whistleblowers, but this disgruntled employee is not a whistleblower. He's a leaker, asserting false claims, seeking five minutes of fame, conveniently timed just before a confirmation hearing. When else is he gonna bring it up? He didn't know at the time that he got Fired. That Emile Beauvais was gonna be nominated to be A lifetime appointed 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals judge. Having never been a judge, having been wholly unqualified in just the short amount of time he's been in the Department of Justice, all the unethical things that he's done, he didn't know that at the time. And yes, if I'm, if I'm a whistleblower and I've got my, and I'm getting my things together and I see the guy that should never even sniff a federal judgeship being nominated for one in a confirmation hearing, of course I'm going to come forward now. It just shows you he doesn't want his 15 minutes of fame. He wants to make sure Emil Bovet goes down in flames. Understandably so, she continued, as this is, as Mr. Bovey testified, there was no court order to defy what Pam Bondi. I don't know what law school you went to, if any, or as my mother would, my late mother would say, it was out of a Cracker Jack box. Your, your, your law diploma and oral. You.
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Senator
You.
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Michael Popak
A federal judge gives you an injunction from the bench, orally, you better comply with it or you're. Or you're in contempt. This is another instance, she says, of misinformation being spread to serve a narrative that does not align with the facts. I don't understand. He got fired because he violated his ethical duties to the Department. He got fired because he wouldn't lie for the Department of Justice. He was complimented by Judge Zinnis for telling the truth in her courtroom. I could never imagine the day in 35 years of my career where a Department of justice lawyer, which what had, from a legal department that had been one of the finest and most revered in the world, would have to be complimented, pointed out, called out and complimented by a federal judge for telling the truth in her courtroom. Isn't that the, Is not the lowest? Isn't that, like, the basic thing that has to happen, that he has to tell the truth in a courtroom by way of his sworn oath as a lawyer, as a member of the Department of Justice representing the United States of America in court? Isn't that. That. That shouldn't be complimented? That should be assumed. But not with this Department of Justice. As I've, as I, as I've only half joked. How do you know when Pam Bondi's Department of Justice is lying? Their lips move when they speak. Period. I'll continue to cover it. The next step in this, the House, the Senate Judiciary Committee, will Use this in the continued cross examination of Emil Bove. And if I know people like Adam Schiff, they are going to rip Emil, pardon the expression, are going to rip Emil Bovet's heart out and show it to him during this. Must watch tv. It'll be up on Midas Dutch. We'll do it on Legal AFT TV as well in the confirmation hearing for Emil Bovet. Michael I'm Michael Popak. You're on Midas Touch Network. Hit the subscribe button here. Slide over to Legal AF YouTube channel. Hit the subscribe button there as well. No paywall. We don't have outside investors.
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