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Michael Popach
We have a lot to talk about.
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On this Intersection podcast. I'm Michael Popach and I don't just mean at the intersection of law and politics. I mean, as a nation, we have to have a heart to heart with each other about what is happening with this Trump administration, which is spiraling out of control and threatening to take us along with it and what we're going to do as the non maga part of the country, the larger part, part of the country, in order to save our constitutional republic. We've got Supreme Court hearings, including tomorrow. I'm going to brief you on that. I don't, I mean, I hope people don't think I deal in hype, in hyperbole. I'm not a hyperbolic person. But the soul of America is up for grabs tomorrow at the Supreme Court oral argument about the Calais case in Louisiana. There's no other way to put it. Whether black and brown people are going to be in Congress or not, whether we're going to have representative democracy or not, is all on the line with a hearing, an oral argument tomorrow, and an eventual ruling by the Supreme Court. And, and I'm going to tell you what is at stake. It's not just the fact that every map in red states will be completely redrawn and eliminating up to 20 Democratic, that means black and brown seats, but it goes to who we are as a nation. The Voting Rights act is the crown jewel of the civil rights movement and legislation passed under the Johnson administration led by leaders the likes of which we haven't seen since, like Martin Luther King Jr. So I want to talk about that and have a conversation with you so you can have a conversation with your neighbors, your fellow churchgoers and synagogue goers and mosque goers and atheists and agnostics, whoever you are, whatever your gender. We need to have this conversation. We can't shy away from it. Being defiant in our First Amendment expression does not mean we're disloyal to America. Quite the opposite. By being somebody who defends not only your own personal right to express yourselves, to peaceably assemble, to associate with those who you want to associate with, to hear in the marketplace of ideas the things that you may not even want to hear, not just for yourself, but for your neighbor, is being patriotic. It is what America is about. We can't let Donald Trump take the beating heart of what it means to be an American and rip it out and show it to us on an hourly or daily basis and through the matters at the intersection of law and politics that I'VE curated for you on this legal AF slash intersection podcast. We're going to get to the bottom of what and distill what it means to be an American. And you'll test your own values and you'll say, no, that's right. No, that's wrong. Because I don't live in the moral gray area of there's no right and there's no wrong. Most, virtually all of what I see in the Trump administration is wrong. Even when he tries to pull off what is effectively for him a real estate land deal without concern and with complete indifference to human suffering. The Mid east peace plan, self proclaimed. Even there, there is a depravity, an indifference to human suffering on both sides of that line. People are like, oh, Donald Trump was able to cut the Gordian knot of the Middle east conflict. Yeah. Because he saw it as a real estate play. Who led it? Real estate developer Steve Witkoff, real estate developer Jared Kushner, real estate developer Donald Trump. They don't care about how you rebuild Gaza. The human suffering in Israel, the human suffering in Gaza, the amount of people who died, who were kidnapped in Israel, the amount of people who died and suffered on the other side, they don't care about that. They never will. That's why that shiny gold object that the golem of Donald Trump covets, the Nobel Peace Prize. He'll never get the Nobel Peace Prize because he's a warmonger. He's closer to being indicted as a war criminal by the ICC than he is winning the Nobel Peace Prize. And then you've got, I want to jump in here. I'm going to talk about the James Comey, not just the indictment, but the developments. There it is. It is pulverizing the Department of Justice. The leadership we're watching. It is imploding. It's becoming a black hole. The Department of Justice, it was already the most corrupt Department of Justice in history. But now there's just a fractious lack of leadership because Donald Trump took seriously that he's the chief legal officer and Pam Bondi is just his lackey. And now we've got a rebellious force within the Department of Justice, of course, the MAGA splinter off, represented by Ed Martin and his chief acolyte, Lindsey Halligan, against Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche. And new reporting. Guess who doesn't like Cash Patel, Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche. And we'll talk about what all of that means and what it means for some new filings that James Comey is going to be making by the 20th of October. Wait till you hear what that's all about. That I want to update you on Letitia James and the new information that's come out that demonstrates that the career prosecutors who wouldn't take this case and said there was no case were right about. Who's living in that house in Virginia? I feel like I'm doing a horror movie. Who's living in the house? The calls coming from inside. And why is she going. Why is she staring down the barrel of a 30 year prison sentence? Because she let a couple of family members stay in a house that she told the bank was going to be her second home. What is happening here? But there's some developments there that involves Lindsey Allegan and Ed Martin all over again. And now we got to return to Tom Holman and the bribery scandal because the press reports were. Stephanopoulos cuts off JD Vance during testy interview on Sunday about Tom Homan. No, that's not it. I caught what's it. I caught what's it. J.D. vance, who often goes on television and makes it worse, not better for whatever scandals going on. J.D. vance accidentally confessed that there is a video recording of Tom Homan. Borders are taking a $50,000 bribe. Cash in a bag. Stephanopoulos kept saying audio. He said, I don't know what you mean about this video. There's the confession we were looking for. JD Vance is always trying to clean up here. You know when. When Pete Hegseth said there is going to be a Qatari Air Force base in Idaho, then they sent out JD Vance to say that was taken out of context. Why? Because they played the audio tape without editing it of Pete Hegseth remarks next to the. Next to the prime. The foreign minister for Qatar, for Cutter. Just so crazy. We're gonna talk about the bribe scandal and where it goes from here. Uh, we've got the. Alex Jones. Thank God. I don't wanna thank the Supreme Court. Uh, you know, he's not getting out from under his $1.5 billion punitive damages and defamation judgment that was obtained properly so by the Sandy Hook families. Because he said that the children didn't really die in the massacre, nor the teachers. They were actors and the parents were actors. And this was a false flag event. Yeah, he's not getting out of the $1.5 billion of judgments because of the First Amendment. And the Supreme Court sent them packing. We'll talk about that. And it ties back to that story about Comey and what's going on in the Department of Justice Supreme Court. As I Let off. What we're doing here is about to, is about to hear oral argument in the Calais case about voting maps, and that's important. And then I want to do a brief update about the National Guard. But first, before we get started, Donald Trump, the sexual predator, sex abuser, adjudged in chief, is back at it again, saying disgusting, sexual, sexist, misogynist things in a predatory, leering way against women, including in his own White House, like the press secretary, including about Prime Minister Meloni in Italy. He was supposed to be on a victory lap because of that land deal masquerading as the peace prince process in the Middle East. But then he went back and started talking to reporters and then he met with people like Maloney. I want to show you back to back. Let's go with Maloney first and watch the look on her face.
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Interviewer/Reporter
Very much Italy, we have a woman, a young woman who's. I'm not allowed to say it because usually it's the end of your political career if you say it. She's a beautiful young woman. Now, if you use the word beautiful in the United States about a woman, that's the end of your political career. But I'll take my chances. Where is she? There she is. You don't mind being called beautiful, right? Because you are. Thank you very much for coming. We appreciate it. She wanted to be here and she's incredible. And they really respect her in Italy. She's a very successful, very successful politician.
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Michael Popach
I know he uses that phrase all the time. I know it'll end my career. It could end anybody else's career, but I'm going to say it. You're a beautiful, beautiful woman. He, he's, he's so disgusting. Like, he goes to meet with the royal family and we've, we've already seen the clips with Donald Trump greeting Princess Kate. You know, he's like a national, international icon. You are so beautiful. I mean, I can read lips on the clip. God, yuck. Yuck. Especially when everybody he meets knows he's been adjudged a sex abuser. 90 by a federal court in New York, a federal judge. He said he was a technical rapist because of his sexual abuse against Eugene Carroll, who's still holding $100 million of judgments that says she was right and he was wrong. And they also know about the Access Hollywood tape, which I had to listen to recently to do a new video. And I was like, it was even more vulgar than I had remember it. Like I had misremembered it about Grabbing women by their P word and the F bomb and using breath mints to jam his tongue down women's throats unsuspectingly. I'm like, e gads, how did this guy, you know, who sent him back to the White House? So let's play. Then it turns to Carolyn Levitt, Caroline Levitt, and he makes like, an overtly sexual comment about her mouth and lips. I mean, I hate to play it, but let's play it.
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Interviewer/Reporter
And I never failed in working it out, like, immediately. Is that right? How's Caroline doing? Is she doing good? Should Caroline be replaced?
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Michael Popach
No, that's up to you, sir. Nobody wants to say.
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Pam Bondi
I said she does a great job.
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Michael Popach
Thank you. Do you want to elaborate on the lips?
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Interviewer/Reporter
They move like a machine gun.
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Michael Popach
Right?
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Do you want to elaborate on the right? Yuck. It's all consistent. You know, when he was on his I want to win the Nobel Prize tour, you know, he was in the Oval Office meeting with a African American or an African reporter, and he couldn't help himself. Let's play that clip.
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George Stephanopoulos
As China defends its presence in Latin America, what role do you see for.
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Interviewer/Reporter
The U.S. i just like to watch your job.
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Michael Popach
No, good job. Okay, thank you. Good job.
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Thank you, Donald Trump. Thank you.
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Michael Popach
Yuck. This is the conversation we have to have with each other. We can't ignore it. We can't look away. We can't say that's just Trump being Trump. And the fact that MAGA and the Christian right defend him needs to be called out. You know, they all go and shake a tambourine at Charlie Kirk's memorial. You know, they all go. A couple hundred thousand people pack into a stadium about Christian values. What is Christian? Judeo, Christian, Judeo, Muslim, Islam, Christian. What is about anything that I just played here or talked about so far? None of it is. None of it is. So let me jump into as long as we're here together. Thank you. And thank you for being here with me. It is. We're about four months into this show, regularly doing 2, 300,000 on the video, tens of thousands more on the audio, and we cracked the top 100 of all YouTube podcasts. That's because of, of you. I mean, news, sports, who's your daddy? We broke back into the top 100 and we're going to do it again week after week after week. And I want to try to do the same thing on the audio side and get more reviews on the audio side. Just put in the intersection, leave a five star review in comments, which I Read. And it does help improve what we do here. In addition, let me turn to James Comey. James Comey shocked the world. No. James Comey has had a series of wins in front of the judge in this case, Judge Nabokoff in the Eastern District of Virginia. First of all, he got the trial date that he wanted. First week In January of 2026, he got all the orders from the judge because since the arraignment, the Trump administration DOJ has filed all these motions to slow down having to turn over documents to the Comey side. Oh, we need more time. We need more time. Just says no more time. Turn them all. If he ordered today, turn all the documents over, we call it Brady material, all the witness statements, all the memos from the career prosecutors that said there's no case, turn it all over to the defense. All, all the witness statements that you took of people who undermine the case. Turn it over. Also, the judge said, I want all motions, really almost all motions by the 20th of October. It's right around the corner. So we get today a notice of an intention to file a motion. Why? Well, first, Comey announced, as he did in court through his lawyers, Pat Fitzgerald, that they're going to be filing a motion to disqualify and have declared Lindsey Halligan is illegally appointed as the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. We knew that was coming. Why? Because she was appointed by a statute that only allows one interim U.S. attorney to be appointed by a Attorney General. And then after that, the district court judges of that district get to pick it up. Says in the statute, Sam Alito on the Supreme Court, when he was writing in the White House for the Reagan administration as an Assistant Office of Legal Counsel person, wrote exactly that. It's A1 use. They had one use. Eric Seibert, the conservative Republican that they fired because Donald Trump didn't like the fact that he wasn't going to indict Letitia James or James Comey. So she doesn't get another pick named Lindsey Halligan or anybody else. The judges of the district do. So the reason they filed today a, a preview of that motion is because since if they're right, the group of the entity that picks the next U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia are the judges of the Eastern District. They smartly have said, you got to send this off to another judge outside of the Eastern District of Virginia, like another district in Virginia or maybe North Carolina to hear the motion. Very similar to what happened to Alina Haba when they filed a motion in New Jersey, which implicated the fact that all of New Jersey's district judges rejected Alina Haba. It got sent to middle district of Pennsylvania. So here's the process, which is what they're telling Judge Navkoff to start. A motion that sort of implicates the entirety of the bench gets sent to the chief judge of the appellate court where that district is located for the Eastern District of Virginia. That's the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. Judge Diaz.
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Chief Judge Diaz.
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He decides he just has to send it outside of the Eastern District of Virginia, like I think there's a northern district of Virginia he could do there, like North Carolina, which is in the Fourth Circuit. So he's it gives the judge time to line all that up. And on October 20th, we're going to get several motions by Comey. We're going to get the motion to dismiss for prosecutorial misconduct, vindictive prosecution and selective prosecution and other abuse and indictment issues, grand jury issues, procedural issues, typos, spelling errors, Lindsey Allegan screwing up when she made the presentation and the rest. Now it turns out, and the and the reporting and the leaking is getting stronger, that Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche did not agree at least with Comey being indicted. And the person that looks like he did agree is Ed Martin, who could not get confirmed as the U.S. attorney for D.C. and instead was given this minister without portfolio position of the head of the Weaponization of the Department of Justice Working Group and pardon lawyer under Pam Bondi. Ed Martin. But Ed Bar Ed Martin, eagle Ed Martin is batshit MAGA and Donald Trump knows it. So it looks like Ed Martin and Lindsey Halligan that Ed Martin is having Lindsey Halligan report to him, not to Pam Bondi and not to Todd Blanchett. It's pissing off Bondi and Blanche. And then Halligan fired the person, the prosecutor that was handpicked by Bondi to be the Eastern District of Virginia U.S. attorney A@ least she was young, but at least she was a prosecutor. To be her number two in the office. No, she got fired today. Meg Cleary. That's another affront and insubordination to Pam Bondi. This is Donald Trump has created his own organizational chart where Pam Bondi and Tom Blanche are not in charge of Lindsey Halligan and Ed Martin, especially about the indictments of his political rivals. Donald Trump's in charge. It's creating this fractious situation of an implosion within the Department of Justice. We also learned from some New York Times reporting that Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche hate Cash Patel and they think he's an idiot. Of course, we always knew that. So this whole Comey indictment thing threatens to explode and destroy the Department of Justice and leadership. I'm not sure who survives from all of this. Eagle Ed Martin. And now I think, and looking back on it, that Lindsey Halligan got advice on how to present the case in the Comey indictment to the grand jury. And Letitia James from former federal prosecutor Jan 6denier election denier ed Martin makes sense. She'd never been a prosecutor before. So I think that's what we're watching. New York Times is starting to do a little bit of that. There's a battle between Ed Martin and Todd Blanche, which they've reported on, which I'll pick up when I get to the Alex Jones lost today at the Supreme Court segment. There's also an aspect of it about the Blanche Martin war. I'm glad you're here with us on the Intersection. No joke, we couldn't do it without you. There's so many ways to support what I do. I'm the curator of the Legal AF YouTube channel. So you can come over to Legal AF YouTube and help us get to 1 million. We're going to do it if it kills me before the new year. We're very close. We're going to be passing 900,000 in the next two or three weeks. Over 300 million views, 10 new videos a day. Legal AF the YouTube channel. Then we got Legal AF the substack, which is a great way to get information whether you do it orally. We got audio, we got clips, we've got lives that I do twice a day to update everybody. We've got videos. And the rest all on Legal AF substack. And it's a great way to support what we do. Some people are like, how do you, how do we do all this popoc, how does all this get done? You know, who pays the bills? Things like legal AF substack at $7 a month, I promise you I'll overwhelm you with material. And then of course, we've got, in addition to Substack, which we're trying to get up, we're about to hit 100,000 subscribers in about four or five months. And that's important to this ecosystem as well. That makes you a full blown card carrying member of the Legal AF community. And then we've got the Intersection, which, which has its own audience and its own hummingbird effect of keeping everything in the Legal AF world doing really, really well. So we stay on the air you know we're under attack, First Amendment is under attack, independent commentary and journalism is under attack. But we're here for you to have this important conversation every day, every hour, and certainly Tuesday nights here on the intersection. So let's take a break. For our sponsors Deleteme makes it easy.
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Welcome back to the intersection. Let's dive into Letitia James. Speaking of Lindsey Halligan, that one seems to have caught the Department of Justice leadership that I just told you is imploding a little bit off guard. Mainly because I'm sure that it was being directed by Ed Martin and with his chief lieutenant, Lindsey Halligan. Remember, Lindsey Halligan is tied to Donald Trump. Not to, not to Pam Bondi. It's Donald Trump that implored Pam Bondi through that phony direct message social media post. Pam, we're running out of time. Indict all my enemies. I mean, I'm barely paraphrasing. And use Lindsey Halligan. She really likes you. I thought I was in middle school. She thinks you're pretty and your hair is so shiny.
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Hire her.
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And then Lindsey Halligan went out and said, no, I'm going to hire Meg Cleary. She's sort of a MAGA darling. Prosley, she's a prosecutor. And that lasted 12 hours. And Trump was like, no, I'm putting in Lindsey Allegan. Well, I'll stash Meg as number two. So at least we have a prosecutor in the office. And because Ed Martin's like, well, I'm a prosecutor and I'm guiding Lindsay Halligan. Lindsey Halligan fired Meg Leary today. And it brings us back to Letitia James, who nobody, nobody in their right mind or a career prosecutor wanted to, wanted to prosecute Letitia James either. The chief major crimes prosecutor in Norfolk division of the of the office said, no way, Jose. No way I'm doing that. And let it be known that she wasn't going to do it. And then 72 hours, they indicted her, caught the Department of Justice by surprise. There's actually an associate deputy attorney general that's responsible for all 93 U.S. attorneys. He had no idea this indictment was coming on Thursday. Well, I just want to get it over with. She said, I'm so good at it, I'm two for two getting indictments. All right, now, the new reporting comes out that what are we. What is the crime here? Letitia James owns multiple homes. One of them is in Brooklyn, New York, by the way, not New Jersey. One of several typos that. That Lindsay Halligan is responsible for. Like, she doesn't know how to spell the word principle properly. Like, bedrock principle. She spelled wrong in a press release. She spelled the name of the city that the defendant lives in wrong. And those little things are like the cockroach theory, right? You don't just have. You see a cockroach in your kitchen. Unfortunately, you don't just have one cockroach. You have 50 cockroaches. You only see them one at a time. And when you see an error like that in a filing, judges, adversaries like me, you look at it and you go, what else is wrong in here? The facts, the law, the case law they're using, what else is wrong? And so I think that's going to be one of several problems that lawyers that are really, really good, like Abby Lowell and Pat Fitzgerald, are going to use against Letitia, against Lindsey Halligan in the Letitia James case. Turns out that Letitia owns a second home, okay, that she told the bank she was borrowing money from some low sum of money. Like she borrowed 105,000 to buy $118,000 house. She told them it's a second home. It's obviously a second home. She lives in New York. She's the New York Attorney General. And they said, okay, sign this rider that says you won't rent it out. Okay? She had a niece with power of attorney. Do the closing documents. Maybe that piece of paper slipped in there. Maybe it didn't. So what's the new. She has a second home. Oh, she has people living there. Yeah, they're her family. There's no rental agreement. She hasn't declared it on her taxes. She let, like, I let my family stay in the house here. I got a mother in law visiting from overseas for the last seven weeks. I'm not renting out the house. So there's many, many problems with the prosecution. But it also points up that there's a major battle in the leadership structure of the Department of Justice, one that Donald Trump doesn't care about or he actually likes. When all of these people are kept on eggshells, he sees Letitia James and Todd Blanche and the rest of them as just fungible. They're interchangeable they're like, they have no more meaning to him as a client than one of his Diet Cokes. That's really the case. Now. We've got a new fight that's come out in the. Have you been following the Tom Homan bribery scandal? The Republicans in MAGA don't want you to, but we are. So Tom Homan is now the borders are. You know, he's the guy that goes on television crushing families and their souls and delighting in it. You know, he's the kind of guy that you would see laughing hysterically at a fire at an orphanage. You know, that kind of guy. So Tom Homan, who gets put in charge, the border czar position, it's. It's well known that, that Trump, if he gets back into power, he was going to put Tom Homan in as border czar. So there was an FBI sting operation because a target of their other public integrity investigations said Tom Homan was. Was dirty. So the FBI went in with a bag of cash. It was no more complicated than that. Everybody. It was $50,000 shoved into a restaurant takeout bag. That's it. It's not. Well, there was a Swiss bank account, and then it went to Grenada and then came back up through pesos, and it went out as ruble like. No, it was a paper bag of U.S. cash. You're in my U.S. cash. Taxpayer dollars masquerading as a bribe. And it already leaked out from the FBI operatives who I'm sure have all been fired because this happened in the Biden administration. There's audio and video. There's audio and video of the surveillance. Of course there is. How would you do the surveillance if there wasn't? So somewhere, I don't know if it was the. If it was the salt shaker or the menu holder or an eye in the sky. There was a camera. And we've been trying to get that video ever since. Ever since the story broke. I think MSNBC broke it and they've been denying it. You hear variations on a theme. J.D. vance over the weekend said, well, I'm sure he's taken $50,000 before. I don't really know which 50,000 you're talking about. It's almost like you'll hear the clip in a minute. It's almost like J.D. vance was saying, there's so many bags of cash that Tom Holman has taken in his career, I can't keep track. So he's made a lot of money in his life. I'm sure he's made 50,000. No no. Follow JD Stay with the continuity of the story. A certain bag of cash in a kava bag pushed across the table by two people he thought were contractors. But he had no power, so he never could. And it's been investigated. And. But here's where J.D. vance effed up, because for whatever reason, on the George Stephanopoulos show, or whatever that's called in ABC News, he had J.D. vance on. J.D. vance, who loves attacking ABC News, is having no viewers and George Stephanopoulos is having no viewers, yet JD Vance is on the show. So you do the math. And after a series of questions about the Middle east, the Middle east issues and all of this, it's. It turned back to Tom Hoeing because the answer, the questions had never been answered. Certainly Pam Bondi during her confirmation hearing made it worse. In fact, let's play Pam Bondi first when she's asked, where is the bribe? Video audio surveillance tape. Play the clip.
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Senator
You know, you mentioned that you can't discuss pending litigation, and I think the committee, by and large, accepted that answer. But I did notice that, that you spoke at great length about pending litigation. Specifically, with respect to the questions Senator Cruz asked you about the sentencing of the Kavanaugh defendant. That's pending. Right.
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Pam Bondi
He was sentenced to eight years.
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Senator
I understand that, but that's on appeal. Right?
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Pam Bondi
We will be appealing.
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Senator
Right. So that makes it pending litigation. So you made an exception with respect to the Cruz question.
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Pam Bondi
Hold on. No, but you didn't answer any of.
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Senator
The questions that you said were pending litigation from any of my colleagues.
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Pam Bondi
Those were facts that came out at the sentencing hearing. You're welcome to see the transcript of the sentencing hearing.
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Senator
I understand.
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Pam Bondi
With all the gruesome details of what they threatened to do to Justice Kavanaugh and other justice.
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Senator
I condemn what that person did.
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Pam Bondi
That was the sentencing.
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Senator
But the point here is that that's pending litigation. You indicated you're going to be appealing. It's your right to do that. And you would not. You use that justification to not answer many other questions.
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Pam Bondi
Justification? You're an attorney, Senator.
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Senator
Okay. You realize that I do want to go back to Homan. You know there's a tape, right, with Mr. Homan. I mean, first of all, is there a tape that has audio and video of the transfer of the 50,000?
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Pam Bondi
You would have to talk to Director Patel about that.
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Senator
No, I'm talking to you.
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Pam Bondi
I don't know the answer, Senator.
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Senator
Yeah, you do know the answer.
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Pam Bondi
You didn't call me a liar.
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Senator
I didn't call you a liar.
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Pam Bondi
You Just said, I know the answer. I said, I don't know the answer.
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Senator
You have to talk to Director Patel.
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Pam Bondi
What I said is that investigative.
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Senator
Let me put it another way. If you don't know, why don't you know whether there was a tape and video.
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Pam Bondi
Senator, I believe that was resolved prior to my confirmation as Attorney General.
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Senator
Do you think that it is of public interest for the people to know what happened to the 50 grand that the FBI turned over to Homan?
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Pam Bondi
Did you hear what I just said? That was resolved prior to my confirmation as Attorney General. That's why I said I would not go.
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Senator
It's not resolved. There's $50,000. Homan has it or somebody has it. Do you have no interest in knowing where it is?
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Pam Bondi
You're not going to sit here and slander Tom Homan. The FBI and Deputy Director Blanch said there nothing.
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Senator
I'm not slamming Tom Homan. He got to 50.
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Pam Bondi
Tom Holman is doing. How do you know that? Tom Homan is doing a great job as our borders are keeping your border state safe. You're a border state. Thank you, Senator Welch.
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Michael Popach
We're going to. Madam President, could I have one minute? Not right now. At the end. If you wait before personal privilege. Not right now. How dare I go into my high dungeon voice, which usually ends up being Warner Brothers cartoon. I do declare. You declare? You're calling me a liar. Where's. I'm just waiting for somebody to come in with a fan and a mint julep while she's. Oh, yes. Sit down, Pam. You're being called a liar. I don't know. You'll have to ask Cash Patel, FBI Director who she hates FBI. Did you not ask him? They do not know. So then that leads us to. And just so we're kind of, for our own continuity sake. Democracy Forward led by Sky Perryman, which has a beautiful, amazing Playlist on Legal AF YouTube channel. I interview her about once a week on her new cases. They're in court right now, federal court, to get that video and audio. I mean, the Democrats are trying to do it too, in the Senate. But Houseman, she's going to do it with that lawsuit. So last chance, J.D. vance. Tell us about the Holman video and if you got it. And watch how he confesses to there being a videotape. Because for whatever reason, Stephanopoulos kept saying audio surveillance, audio, audio. And then J.D. vance screws up and I got the receipt. Play the clip, George.
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J.D. Vance
I saw media reports that Tom Homan accepted a bribe. There's no evidence of that. And here's George, why fewer and fewer people watch your program and why you're losing credibility because you're talking for now five minutes with the Vice President, United States about this story regarding Tom Holman, a story that I've read about, but I don't even know the video that you're talking about. Meanwhile, low income women can't get food because the Democrats and Chuck Schumer have shut down the government. Right now we're trying to figure out how to pay our troops because Chuck Schumer has shut down the government. You are focused on a bogus story. You're insinuating criminal wrongdoing against a guy who has done nothing wrong. Instead of focusing on the fact that our country is struggling because our government's shut down. Let's talk about the real issues, George. I think the American people would benefit much more from that than from you going down some weird left wing rabbit hole where, where the facts clearly show that Tom Homan didn't engage in any criminal wrongdoing.
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Interviewer/Reporter
It's not a weird left wing rabbit hole. I didn't insinuate anything. I asked you whether Tom Holman accepted $50,000 as was heard on an audio tape recorded by the FBI in September 2024, and you did not answer the question. Thank you for your time this morning.
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J.D. Vance
No, I said that I don't.
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Interviewer/Reporter
Up next. We'll be right back.
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Michael Popach
So ABC again, the ABC seems to have won the Jimmy Kimmel war because now there's reporting that all those affiliates that are owned by Sinclair and this other right wing Christian family that owns like all the ABC affiliates that you and I watch, you know, the actual TV stations, they've relented and they're putting Kimmel back on the air. So it's not just the broad, it's not just ABC is broadcasting kimmel. It's like 300 channels around America, including in red states, are showing Kimmel again. And so that happened. Yeah, because the Trump administration, of course, went too far in the wake of, of Charlie Kirk and made a martyr out of Jimmy Kimmel instead of Charlie Kirk. But it's ABC again, you know, once they stroke that check for 15 million because George Stephanopoulos properly called Donald Trump a rapist. I mean, I'm just, I'm just repeating what Judge Lewis Kaplan said in his one of his own orders, which is technically, you're a rapist. Donald Trump wants you to believe that if you were in a, like a cocktail party, for instance, and somebody walked into the room and you pointed to them out loud. Everybody stopped clinking their glasses. And you said, you sir, are a rapist. And the guy responded, I am not. I am a sexual abuser. See, I don't think that would help him in the cocktail party. That's Donald Trump's argument. So. But you know, once ABC wrote the $15 million check equal to Stephanopoulos salary because during an interview with E. Jean Carroll, who got him adjudged a sexual predator, a sexual abuser, he used the R word instead of the A word. Now you're going to stroke checks all the time. So we're back to another ABC White House problem I love. But one of my favorite comments with JD Vance was that's why nobody watches you, George. And that's why you went on the show, because nobody watches. All right, let's move on from the Homan fiasco and move on to the Alex Jones fiasco. I hate talking about the guy, but as he told the supreme court, he's got 30 million followers. So crazy. The crazies that follow Alex Jones election denier jan6 denier 911 denier. Sandy Hook Massacre Denier. That's quite a. I was going to say trifecta. That's quite a quadruplet Vexa thing. Yeah, that's a whole lot of denying, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Including the depravity of claiming that children who will never see adulthood and parents who will never see their child get older were all elaborate scam and scheme. It was just a fever dream. Didn't really happen. Children aren't really dead. The FBI agent who testified in tears about the bodies that he saw at Sandy Hook, he's a traitor, according to Ed Martin. Now that's where we have. So what happened with Alex Jones? Alex Jones tried to. First he testified his own cases, two different cases and two different juries and judges came back with a $1.5 billion judgment against him for his defamation, his libel, his blood libel and his punitive damages. Then for the next several years he tried to use bankruptcy court to avoid paying anything. And then that didn't work. But it took several years. Give a lot of credit to the plaintiff's lawyers in this case. And then he tried to hide his assets and that didn't work. Then he tried. Then there was a court order to sell his assets. In fact, I asked the Midas Touch Brothers to buy Infowars to bury it. They didn't do that. I still like to buy it. And he's back on the air with all these Followers. So he's tried to argue at the United States Supreme Court. He's entitled to overturn his 1.5 billion because he's got First Amendment protection. He gets to say disgusting things and not be subject to defamation law. And they said, denied. We're not taking that case. And that's another. So there seems to be limits. If your name is Trump or you're the president, Sky's the limit with this, with this Supreme Court. But everybody else, watch your back, because you don't have immunity. You're not the executive. You don't have Article 2 power. And if it has to do with, like, sex and defaming dead babies, you're not getting the Supreme Court to rule in your favor. And so we've got the ruling now. Now, just to show you he was begging at the end, which he should, Alex Jones sent in another filing to the Supreme Court saying, I got 30 million followers, First Amendment, Public Square. No, you don't get to say disgusting, depraved things that make people feel bad and give them mental distress and intentional infliction of men of emotional distress and get away with it. You can do it, but you got to write a check. Now, how are we going to collect 150, sorry, the $1.5 billion from Alex Jones? I don't know, garnish his wages forever? They'll get several million dollars from him. I saw at one point he had, like, I think, his estate, his bankruptcy estate, and his value of, I think it was like 10 or 20 million dollars. Whatever, it's. It's 10 or 20 million dollars he doesn't need to have. Now that the appeal is over, his lawyers will go after it and. And fight hard. And as the White House continues to protect people like Alex Jones, I mean, Ed Martin, the guy I've been talking about all night, Eagle, Ed, he wrote a letter on his own on. On Department of Justice letterhead excoriating the FBI agent for testifying under oath about what he saw. And Todd Blanche found out about it and blasted Ed Martin and said, why are you sullying the White House's reputation over a fringe podcaster? Rescind the letter. And allegedly he did. But it was the beginning of the end of the relationship between Todd Blanche and Ed Martin. And the problem for Todd Blanch is Trump loves Ed Martin, and that that is a major problem. So we'll continue to follow that story and where that leads. Well, we're in the home stretch of that conversation that we need to have. We call the intersection. I want to update you on tomorrow's very important voting rights case. I mean our constitutional representative democracy is on the line. This is an attack, full frontal attack by MAGA on black and black voters and their attempt to make every congressional district that they can white in America. And the Voting Rights act is up for grabs. Whether it's going to even survive Section one already being ripped up and torn out of out of the Voting Rights act in prior case law. Now voting rights section 2, which is the crown jewel of the Voting Rights act passed by Lyndon Johnson at the urging of Martin Luther King Jr. I mean these are like totemic things I'm talking about here that these are the touchstones of our democracy. Look at the names. I'm talking about the leaders of the civil rights movement, the president that brought us the Great Society. And we're talking about having six people, mainly guys on the Supreme Court rip these things up like it was like it was a circular in your mailbox talking about the Constitution. Here we're talking about what it means to be an American and what our participatory democracy and representative form of government and the American experiment mean. That's what's up for grabs. And I'm worried we have it up live on substack and on Legal AF YouTube tomorrow at 10am Eastern Time. I'm worried about this oral argument. In 2023 in an Alabama case called Shelby John Roberts joined with KAVANAUGH, with the three remaining moderates on the bench and they formed a block to approve a voting map in Alabama that created one more predominantly black district. That's all we're talking about. Louisiana. It's even more pathetic. The 12 white plaintiffs are challenging a map where the we're in a state that has over a third black people, U.S. citizens challenging a map because it made one more district and not one more district to like even it out, not one more district to equal 33 and a third percent of the state, one more district to give two out of seven, two out of a total of seven. I haven't done math in a while like that, but we're talking about 28% in a state where that's still under the amount before it was one out of seven. The map that we're fighting over was going to reduce Black representation to 14% of the congressional districts more than or less than half of their of their population. Then Louisiana said, well, all right, there's a before and an after before the United States Supreme Court ruled for affirmative against affirmative action in the Harvard case, Harvard University case In which it said, well, if you want to stop racial discrimination, stop discrimination. Stop discriminating based on race. Yeah, thanks for that tautology, genius. You know, because to, to the most of the Supreme Court, we're, we should, we, we should now be colorblind. Congratulate yourselves everybody. We did it. No more racism in America. Everybody is equally in private schools and eating clubs and fraternities and sororities at Ivy League schools. Everybody has the same opportunities in America. You don't need a helping hand to help you up. There is no racism. There's no anti Semitism. It's all just one big happy American family. Is that right? We're in a post racism world, a proto racism world after Barack Obama? Or are there people in America that still need a helping hand that aren't in the the right neighborhoods, clubs, memberships, organizations to give themselves the Nepo baby help that others get? They don't, they don't have the black and brown people in America don't have the. Don't have the luxury of failing up or the gentleman see what they used to call it in college. But ever since that decision before and after, all MAGA heard was wait. Anytime you use race and any in any type of selection process that's gonna be automatically violative of the 14th amendment and equal protection. Let's go after all the DEI programs. Let's go after all of the woke programs. Let's get all white people back into medical school and colleges. Let's get rid of black congresspeople. Congress is primarily white anyway. Even in this country doesn't have the representation to match the the demographics numbers. And so the big argument tomorrow is what has changed since 2023 to now. That would make Roberts and Kavanaugh abandon the other three, Katanji, Brown, Jackson, Sotomayor and Kagan and side with MAGA against this map. How is this map different than the Alabama map for which added an extra district? And that's what we're going to get to the bottom of. The ones that want to kill the map and kill representation are saying it dilutes. You're using race to set a map. See when they rewrote the map to benefit maga, Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House in Louisiana, they strengthened his district. They found a way to make a what's called a minority majority district. One more black person got voted in from Louisiana, but that was based on race. That diluted my, my rights as white people in Louisiana. If MAGA gets this win and gets Kavanaugh, who already commented in 2023, that he doesn't see that the Voting Rights Act Section 2 lives on ad infinitum. There has to be an ending, a sundown to it. If this 2025 is the year and that map goes down, then at the next census, the majority of state houses, which are controlled by Republicans, are going to redistrict all the maps and make them all white. That's why I said I'm not. I don't deal in hyperbole. This is what's going to happen. Join me tomorrow or sorry, join me today for the 10am Eastern Time. It's up here on Legal AF. Go to the live tab. You'll find it there. I'll be in the chat. Come over to Substance stack. We're running it there as well. And I'll answer questions and I'll come back on with a sub stack live and answer your questions. It's that important a case that's, that's getting to the Supreme Court pretty rapidly. It's not there yet, but it's getting there is the Illinois and Oregon National Guard cases as Donald Trump decided to, you know, just do a full frontal assault on democracy. Use the power of, the awesome power of the presidency and its military prowess and military power to crush dissent in America, primarily in blue states and blue cities. By sending in National Guard spending billions of dollars of your and my money to have them pick up litter and stand in front of federal buildings. Better you could spend half that amount of money and give it to local law enforcement to improve local policing. That would have been a lot better. Just wouldn't have been as showy and as militaristic and a muscle flex the way Donald Trump wanted. So we have federal trial judges know what to do. Judge Immergut and the judges in Chicago, Judge Immergut in Oregon and judge and the two judges in Chicago have all ruled that Donald Trump overstepped his power under section 12406. He could not commandeer the National Guard and he sent them back to their barracks because there is no rebellion or domestic violence. That makes Donald Trump incapable of executing the laws of the federal government of the president. And that's the standard. Now the 9th Circuit put Judge Immerse decision on ice except they said we're going to deal with whether there can be we're not going to allow mobilization of the troops until we have a full hearing oral argument, which they already have. We're, we're waiting on the ruling. And the fourth, sorry, the sixth Circuit over Illinois said we're going to put on hold the judge's decision about not mobilizing the federal, the National Guard. We're going to let the mobilization happen, but we won't allow deployment. We won't. So stay in your barracks until we're done with the oral argument. So in a way, Donald Trump federalized, commandeered, but he couldn't deploy. And now we're waiting for both those appellate courts to make their ruling. I listened to the 9th Circuit oral argument. Two trumpers. So what happens? You put two trumpers together in a room, how many Trump judges does it take to screw up a democracy? You know what it is? So I don't think going to get a great ruling out of the 9th. I'm a little bit more optimistic about the 6th Circuit sitting over Illinois. Then we'll have conflicting rulings and it'll get it back to the United States Supreme Court. That has to break that tie. I think it'll be sometime this term. I don't think they're going to rush to do it. I think Donald Trump has gotten a little bit tired of that play thing. He's gotten a lot of mileage out of attacking governors and then punching and pushing back. The Department of Justice is exhausted and leaderless. You know, Donald Trump decided he was going to do the shock and awe, right? Flood the zone on the way in 230 more or more executive orders. He even beat FDR and FDR's executive orders for the New Deal coming out of the Great Depression. But his Department of Justice and its leadership weren't ready for it. They weren't ready for the four or five hundred cases that would be filed against the Department of Justice. They weren't ready for federal judges. They weren't ready for appellate judges. They're doing well at the Supreme Court where they're winning 86% of the time. But you got to fight it out in the courts in the meantime. So they're beleaguered. I'm not feeling sorry for them. They're, they're out of gas. They're fatigued. They're mentally drained. You know. Did you know the Department of Justice fired 5,000 members of the Department of Justice just the last nine and a half months and haven't replaced them. 75% of the civil Rights Division lawyers are gone and they're not rehiring them. I know you've heard things in the shutdown that they over fired during the Doge Musk era and now they got to hire back tens of thousands of people. We fired too many people in the irs. We fired too many people in this center for Disease Control. We fired two. We got to hire them all back and they're putting up one. There's, there's jobs now, tens of thousands of job want ads up for the government of people they fired. All the legacy knowledge went out the door. But the Supreme Court's going to have to deal with this National Guard, Posse Combatantis Act, Insurrection act by Donald Trump. He's being led around by the nose, but willingly by, by people in his administration like Stephen Miller. You know Stephen Miller. I don't know if Trump is a, if Stephen Miller is a Trump enabler or Trump's a Stephen Miller enabler, but he's our domestic policy president, Stephen Miller, and he's disgusting and depraved and immoral. And we'll continue to follow it all. I'm so glad you're here on the Intersection. We've come to the end of the show every Tuesday night at 8pm and then follow me on everything I do on legal af. I do 1415 videos analysis on the Midas Touch Network. I have from the very beginning, I curate the legal AF YouTube channel with the brothers where we have 10 videos. We just crossed 3, 10 videos a day. We just crossed 300 million views. We're going to, in just a year, 1 million subscribers. We're going to hit by December or January. We have a dozen playlists and contributors on there. And then of course you can help the Intersection by coming over to the podcast platforms for Apple and Spotify. 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I co founded that and created that with Ben Mysalis. It's hard to believe it was 2020, but it is. So until my next report, thanks for being here. Shout out to the Midas Mighty and the Legal A Effers.
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