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Episode: The Intersection with Michael Popok Full Episode (11/11/2025)

Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Michael Popok (MeidasTouch Network)

Episode Overview

This episode of "The Intersection," a special segment hosted by national trial lawyer and Legal AF co-host Michael Popok, explores the week’s pivotal legal and political developments, with a particular focus on the intersection of legal rulings and the ongoing political strife under the Trump administration. Popok provides hard-hitting commentary on the SNAP/food stamp crisis before the Supreme Court, challenges to constitutional rights, the tariff/taxation legal battle, and new revelations in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac whistleblower firings. The episode is delivered with a tone of urgency, activism, and Popok’s trademark candor, addressing both legal intricacies and their human consequences.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Veterans Day, SNAP Benefits, and the Supreme Court Showdown

— [02:00–07:00]

• Popok opens by contrasting the country’s celebration of Veterans Day with the Trump administration’s treatment of vulnerable Americans, including veterans, the elderly, and children.
• Topic: Ongoing Supreme Court fight over SNAP (food stamp) benefits during a potential government shutdown, affecting 42 million Americans and 16 million children.
• The Trump administration attempted to claw back part of the November SNAP payment, sparking a series of fast-moving legal rulings.
• Insight: The failure to provide the full $8 billion in payments is described as "inhumane," and highlights the real-world effects of legal gridlock.

"Just think of those numbers in the most successful economic country in the world that we have one in eight who are below the poverty line and need federal assistance just to have the dignity of being able to know where their next meal is coming from."
—Michael Popok, [07:30]

Notable Legal Moves

• First Circuit Court of Appeals upholds Judge McConnell's order for full SNAP payments; companion TRO in Massachusetts (Judge Telwanti) blocks Trump's attempt to claw back distributions.
• Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson pressures lower courts for a swift ruling, boxing in the Trump administration. Full briefing now before SCOTUS on whether to continue the stay or allow payments.

"Is the Supreme Court so heartless and so callous that they would cut off at holiday time the ability for families just to survive and make ends meet?"
—Michael Popok, [15:45]

2. Seventh Circuit and Protesters’ Rights

— [17:15–24:00]

• Popok details the Trump administration's legal battle in the Seventh Circuit, seeking permission for federal forces to use aggressive tactics against protesters, media, clergy, and veterans.
• Judge Ellis issues a robust preliminary injunction forbidding use of military-grade tactics, rubber bullets, tear gas, against peaceful protesters, upholding basic First Amendment protections.
• Trump’s emergency appeal to the Seventh Circuit is pending.

"It's not enough for Donald Trump to starve the American people...He's also asking the 7th Circuit to let him hit veterans and clergy and First Amendment protesters and members of the media with a car and tackle them and beat them up and assault them and batter them and use pepper spray on them and use rubber bullets on them."
—Michael Popok, [18:30]

Legal Nuance:

• Judge Ellis was previously overruled on a daily reporting requirement for federal forces (seen as overreach); but her new order is focused on banning specific excessive force tactics—a more defensible legal stance.

3. Breaking Update: Supreme Court Blocks Additional SNAP Payments

— [27:30–29:30]

• During the episode, Popok interrupts with breaking news: the Supreme Court (over Justice Jackson’s objection) extends the stay, blocking $3 billion in additional SNAP payments.

"They've overruled Ketanji Brown Jackson. They've decided to extend the stay, meaning they're going to block the $3 billion worth of additional food payments to those who are the most needy in our society. That's a group that's never missed the meal, I assure you."
—Michael Popok, [28:00]

• The stay lasts until Thursday midnight; Popok speculates the Court is hoping for a political, not judicial, resolution if the government reopens.
• Again highlights Justice Jackson’s dissent as representing “the heart and the soul and the conscience” of SCOTUS.

4. Tariff Case at the Supreme Court—Trump's Economic Signature on the Brink

— [29:40–33:00]

• Popok analyzes the Trump administration's arguments before the Supreme Court about presidential authority to impose tariffs absent congressional approval.
• He notes even the "MAGA 6" justices see tariffs as a tax—constitutionally, a matter for Congress, not the President—making Trump likely to lose.

"If it's a revenue generating item, it is only for Congress, not for the president. So every time he says $3 trillion a dividend, pay it back...that is a tax. Everybody knows that."
—Michael Popok, [30:45]

• Trump, sensing likely defeat, begins scapegoating his own Solicitor General, John Sauer, in a late-night social media post.

5. Scandal: Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, Bill Pulte, and the Firing of Watchdogs

— [33:05–37:00]

• Popok exposes a new whistleblower-related scandal: Bill Pulte, Trump-aligned appointee to Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, allegedly manipulates mortgage documents to smear political opponents (Letitia James, Adam Schiff, Lisa Cook).
• When internal watchdogs (general counsel, chief ethicist, and inspector general) probe his conduct, they are fired, echoing Trump’s history of purging oversight and ethics officials.

"This is what Trump has done. This is tyranny...You fire all the lawyers that are in all the departments....This is the playbook folks that we are watching and we're holding him accountable here on the intersection on legal AF and the rest."
—Michael Popok, [34:00]

• Popok predicts eventual oversight, investigations, and accountability when Democrats regain control—a persistent theme of eventual justice and consequences.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Context | |-----------|-------|---------| | 07:30 | "Just think of those numbers...we have one in eight who are below the poverty line and need federal assistance just to have the dignity of being able to know where their next meal is coming from." | On the real-world impact of SNAP payment delays | | 15:45 | "Is the Supreme Court so heartless and so callous that they would cut off at holiday time the ability for families just to survive and make ends meet?" | On the stakes of the Supreme Court decision | | 18:30 | "He's also asking the 7th Circuit to let him hit veterans and clergy...with a car and tackle them and beat them up and assault them and batter them and use pepper spray on them..." | On the administration's 7th Circuit tactics | | 28:00 | "They've overruled Ketanji Brown Jackson. They've decided to extend the stay..." | Breaking news: SCOTUS blocks SNAP payments | | 30:45 | "If it's a revenue generating item, it is only for Congress, not for the president. So every time he says $3 trillion a dividend...that is a tax." | On the constitutional problem with Trump’s tariff argument | | 34:00 | "This is what Trump has done. This is tyranny...You fire all the lawyers...this is the playbook folks that we are watching." | On the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac whistleblower firings |

Important Segment Timestamps

• [02:00–07:00] SNAP Benefits & Supreme Court backstory
• [07:00–15:30] First Circuit & District Court Orders, Legal Mechanisms
• [17:15–24:00] 7th Circuit, Judge Ellis, protester protections
• [27:30–29:30] Supreme Court breaking update—SNAP stay extended
• [29:40–33:00] Trump Tariffs Case analysis
• [33:05–37:00] Bill Pulte/Fannie Mae Scandal

Final Thoughts & Calls to Action

• Popok repeatedly calls for audience engagement—urging listeners to "do the voting thing and the protesting thing and the winning in court thing" ([28:45]).
• He asks for continued support for Legal AF, noting impending partnerships (ACLU, Democracy Forward), and celebrates crossing the 1 million subscriber barrier.
• Salutes veterans as the country grapples with constitutional and governance crises brought about by the Trump administration.

"We celebrate those that put honor and duty to country before everything else and have sworn to uphold the Constitution and are an important voice here in resistance against the Trump administration."
—Michael Popok, [37:30]

Summary Table: Main Stories

| Topic | Legal/Political Stake | Popok's Assessment | |-------------------------------------|----------------------|----------------------------------------------------| | SNAP/food stamp Supreme Court case | Food security vs. executive power | "Inhumane," urgent, spotlights divided Supreme Court | | 7th Circuit on protester rights | Use of force, First Amendment | Judge Ellis is "brave;" critical of Trump appeal | | Trump tariffs case at SCOTUS | Separation of powers, economy | Trump likely to lose; undermines own legal case | | Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac firings | Ethical governance, whistleblowers | "Road to tyranny"; calls for future accountability |

For New Listeners

This episode is a must for anyone interested in the granular intersection of law and current U.S. politics, especially under this administration. Popok’s clear legal explanations, passionate tone, and exclusive breaking updates provide both the layperson and legal aficionado with an urgent sense of the stakes, consequences, and possible paths forward.

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