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Michael Popak
Ads A war has broken out in the Trump administration. On one side, those that oppose Elon Musk and his attempts to fire workers by way of an email that tells them to justify their existence in a return email with a whole group of cabinet members for Donald Trump, Tulsi Gabber, Pete Hegseth, Cash Patel and others telling their workers ignore it. And so embarrassing with egg on their face that the Trump administration, in the face of a new lawsuit filed over that same email, have basically said, yeah, that's all aspirational. You got a lot more time. Don't worry about that particular email. You see this one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing and it's leading to this level of failing and corruption that we're reporting on right here on the Midas Dutch network and on Legal af. I'm Michael Popak. Thank you for joining me. Let me give you the timeline of what's happened here. I think it's very good. Forbes actually did a very good breakdown of this timeline. It starts with a February 22nd. Hard to believe it's only few days in the making, which Musk sent out through his Office of Personnel Management email from a cowardly email address of hrpm.com nothing like HR email to fire up your day and and in a cowardly way try to fire you. It he told his team that they need to justify to 12 million workers, or sorry, 2 million workers their existence. But by the later that Same Night on February 22, major cabinet level departments had already told their employees to ignore Musk. So you had Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and Pam Bondi at Justice and Patel at FBI telling their employees to pause. You know they love that word pause in this administration. Pause responding to the email because they'll be in charge of the review process. Most of them later said, we'll respond on behalf of the department. You don't have to do individual responses. Then Musk had a take to the airwaves the next day. On February 23, he defended the email on his Twitter account, on his X account by saying, it's just a very basic pulse check to see if we have any non existent. No show no work jobs where they're collecting payments or payroll, but he has no evidence that any of that is happening. Then the Department of Defense on that same day, led by Pete Hegseth and the federal judiciary, all told their employees not to respond. Tulsi Gabbard, the head of the Office of the Director of the National Intelligence, said the same thing, told her staffers not to respond because of their inherently sensitive and classified nature of their work. Later that same day, the American Federation of Government Employees and AFL CIO labor union, the largest labor union representing the federal workers, sent a letter to the Office of Personnel Management telling them that their email from Musk that was received was plainly unlawful and an insult. They then used that same email later this week, just a couple of days ago, to amend their lawsuit in San Francisco to say that this is illegal, arbitrary and capricious and that he has. I thought Elon Musk had no power, he had no authority to fire people. Well, not according to the emails that he's sending out. By the same day. On the 23rd, Kristi Noem @ Homeland Security directed her workers not to respond to the Musk email. We then move on to 24 February, where Elon Musk doubles down on the email. So you got this total disconnect. You know, he's jumping up and down like a 1 inch tall person wanting to get attention and saying, look at my email, you're going to get fired if you don't look at my email. While every cabinet level person in the Trump administration in really, who's really in the administration? Not a special advisor, senior advisor, tells their employees, ignore that guy in the corner. So by the 24th of February, he's defending it and we'll get it all sorted out and a lot of people are in for a rude awakening, Musk said, and a strong dose of reality. But by that time later, about four or five hours later, the Department of Transportation head Sean Duffy also ordered his employees first ordered his employees to respond to the email. He's the only one so far, even though the unions representing the air traffic controllers have said, we got enough on our hands with planes falling out of the sky. We don't want to have to respond to emails. Then later that same day on the 24th, 100 House Democrats sent a letter to 24 federal agency heads telling them not to respond to the email. The Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service, run by Scott Bessant, also on the 24th, directed their employees to respond to the email, but that they shouldn't, but that they shouldn't do it immediately, they should do it at a later time. Then Trump, when he's being interviewed, co interviewed with President Macron in his office, he said a lot of agencies shouldn't respond, like FBI and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. He said that was really more aspirational in a friendly manner. He then tried to defend the email. He said he thought it was great. A lot of people aren't answering because they don't exist. That's another another Trump lie. But by a half an hour after the press conference with Macron, the Trump administration officially tells federal agencies, who are all already not complying that the email from Musk was voluntary and that they will not be fired if they don't respond and that they should refer themselves to their each agency for their own decision making. But then five hours later, Musk says says that subject to the discretion of the president that he purportedly works for, federal workers who don't respond to the email will get a second chance.
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Michael Popak
I mean, nothing says I'm a failing administration like this shit show. That's a legal term that's going on right now. You got Bannon attacking Musk, right? You've. And you know, and if he didn't, if Trump didn't like Bannon attacking Musk and saying that he's a parasite that should be immediately deported, he would have told him to stop doing it. So Bannon is out bashing Musk. The real cabinet heads are telling their employees to ignore it, except for Sean Duffy at Transportation, who's the ultimate lapdog. And then you've got them trying to fix again. This is why lawsuits are so important at the intersection of law and politics. Because you got the lawsuit brought by the labor union that says, yeah, Judge, you see the latest email we just got from Elon Musk telling us that if we don't tell him what we did in the last week, we need to go. That's also arbitrary and capricious, a violation of the Administrative Procedures act and a violation of the separation of powers and the rest. And that's just more evidence. Elon Musk is generating evidence against the Trump administration in courtrooms. And at the same time, I'm not done. At the same time, the Trump administration, realizing that they got a losing hand in the courtrooms, are telling their, their federal employees, 2 million of them ignore the email. Okay. You know, if you can't figure out, if the Trump administration can't figure out Elon Musk's power and role, what he. Somebody should send. Here's an idea. Somebody should Send Elon Musk the email back to him, asking him to say what he did, five top things he did last week and what power and authority he had to do those things under the Constitution. Because he's not a Senate confirmed member of the cabinet or ahead of a federal agency. He's some sort of free radical that Donald Trump uses as a tool. Cuz he is a tool to, you know, as a distracting tool to do his bidding. That's where we're at. Nobody knows what Elon, even the Trump administration doesn't know what Elon Musk does on a daily or hourly basis. They don't know what Doge is. They don't know what the power of Doge is. They don't know what Elon Musk's power is. That's why they can't, they can't speak straight in court. And they get tongue tied when a judge asks them, like Judge Chutkin in the most recent hearing said, what does, what does Elon Musk do? What are his powers? Oh, he's just a special advisor. He doesn't even work for Doge. He's not the administrator of Doge. He doesn't really because when he sends out emails and texts, they seem to be completely counter to the positions taken in the court of law. It's going to be up to judges to hold this administration accountable because they play fast and loose with the facts, mainly lie to the American people and hope they won't get caught while they move on to the next topic. Very little of what Donald Trump says out loud when he starts spouting a quote, unquote fact. Very little of what he says is true. And Elon Musk is worse. You know, I used to joke that I had friends that whatever they told me was completely believable and true. I had other friends. I had to give them what I call a truth discount. You know, maybe 80% of what they told me was true and the rest was a little bit embellished other friends. 50% discount. That's about as low as I go after that. I'm like, you know, why am I talking? Why am I listening to this person at all? But with Trump and, and Musk, it's a 95% truth discount. Most of what they say to justify their policies and procedures are our lie, our complete lie. We'll continue to follow it. It's important that we do on a daily, on an hourly basis right here on the Midas Touch Network and on Legal af. While you're here, hit the subscribe button for Midas, but help us continue to build the pro democracy channel we call Legal af. Legal AFMTN for the Midas Dutch network. Let's do that together. Let's get that to a million before the year is over. We're already at almost 500,000. We got two weeks to go to our half birthday. It's hard to believe we formed it in September. And then follow me, Michael popach on legal af Wednesdays and Saturdays at 8pm eastern time. And then I got a new show, Popak Live on Tuesday nights. I'm. It's 45 minutes of just me, sometimes an interview, but just me. Right? We have about four or five hundred thousand people that get together with me every week and and do that at the intersection of law and politics. So until my next reporting, I'm Michael Popak in collaboration with the Midas Touch Network. We just launched the Legal AF YouTube channel. Help us build this pro democracy channel where I'll be curating the top stories. The intersection of law and Politics. Go to YouTube now and free subscribe @legalafmtn. That's eagleafmtn.
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Legal AF by MeidasTouch – Episode Summary
Title: Trump Cabinet in Shambles as Musk's Plans Blow Up
Release Date: February 26, 2025
Hosts: Ben Meiselas, Michael Popak, Karen Friedman Agnifilo
Executive Producer: Meidas Media Network
In this compelling episode of Legal AF, hosted by Michael Popak of the MeidasTouch Network, the focus is on the tumultuous events unfolding within the Trump administration following Elon Musk's controversial attempt to purge federal workers via an email directive. The discussion delves deep into the intersection of law and politics, analyzing the repercussions of Musk's actions on the Trump cabinet and the broader implications for federal governance.
The episode kicks off with Michael Popak outlining the recent conflict ignited by an email sent by Elon Musk through the Office of Personnel Management (OPM). Musk's email, originating from the hrpm.com domain—a departure from standard HR email addresses—demanded that federal workers justify their positions or face termination. This move has sparked significant backlash and confusion within the Trump administration.
Popak meticulously breaks down the sequence of events, referencing a Forbes timeline to provide clarity:
February 22, 2025:
Elon Musk sends out the contentious email at [00:47]. He instructs his team to address the justification of existence for approximately 2 million federal workers, labeling jobs as “non-existent” or “no-show.” Popak criticizes the email as a "cowardly" attempt to undermine the workforce.
Later on February 22:
High-ranking cabinet members, including Secretary of State Tulsi Gabbard and FBI Director Cash Patel, respond by instructing their employees to ignore Musk's directive. Popak notes, “[12:22] ‘They have basically told their employees to ignore it,’” highlighting the administration's disjointed stance.
February 23, 2025:
Musk defends his actions on Twitter (now X) at [02:23], claiming the email was a simple “pulse check” to identify underperforming positions. However, his justification lacks substantive evidence, as Popak points out.
Simultaneously, key departments like the Department of Defense, led by Pete Hegseth, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, headed by Gabbard, reinforce the message for employees to disregard the email. The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) and the AFL-CIO escalate the matter by labeling Musk's email as “unlawful and an insult” and incorporate it into their ongoing lawsuit in San Francisco, arguing it violates the Administrative Procedures Act and the separation of powers.
February 24, 2025:
Musk persists in his stance, yet contradicted by Sean Duffy of the Department of Transportation, who uniquely directs his employees to respond to the email, despite opposition from unions concerned about aviation safety.
Additionally, House Democrats intervene, sending directives to 24 federal agencies to ignore Musk's email, further exacerbating the internal conflict. Trump himself, during an interview with President Macron, attempts to mask the discord by labeling the response as “aspirational” and commending Musk's initiative, only to retract moments later by asserting that non-compliance with the email will not result in termination—ambivalence continues to plague the administration's response.
Popak emphasizes the fragmented reaction within the Trump administration:
Cabinet Dissent:
Most cabinet members oppose Musk's directive, urging employees to prioritize departmental integrity over Musk's unilateral decisions. Popak remarks, “[09:22] ‘Nothing says I'm a failing administration like this shit show,’” underscoring the administration's inability to present a united front.
Union Backlash:
The AFGE and AFL-CIO's lawsuit frames Musk's email as a direct affront to federal workers' rights, labeling it both arbitrary and capricious. This legal challenge positions Musk's actions as not only politically but also legally untenable.
Legal Implications:
The ongoing lawsuits showcase the critical role of the judiciary in mediating conflicts at the confluence of law and politics. Popak asserts, “[09:22] ‘Elon Musk is generating evidence against the Trump administration in courtrooms,’” highlighting the escalating legal battles.
Michael Popak delivers a scathing critique of both Elon Musk and the Trump administration's handling of the situation:
Administration Dysfunction:
Popak lambastes the administration for its inability to manage Musk's interference, labeling actions and directives as inconsistent and counterproductive. He states, “[07:05] ‘You’ve got Bannon attacking Musk... The real cabinet heads are telling their employees to ignore it.’”
Musk's Role and Authority:
Questions arise regarding Musk's legitimate authority within the administration. Popak challenges Musk's capacity to unilaterally direct federal workforce actions, noting, “[09:22] ‘He’s some sort of free radical that Donald Trump uses as a tool.’” The ambiguity surrounding Musk's official role exacerbates the administrative breakdown.
Legal Ramifications:
The intertwining of legal challenges with political maneuvering underscores the fragile state of federal governance under Trump's leadership. Popak emphasizes the judicial system's pivotal role in addressing these conflicts, indicating a trend towards increased judicial oversight.
Public Trust and Accountability:
The episode underscores the erosion of public trust due to consistent misinformation and erratic decision-making by top administration figures. Popak critiques the administration's manipulation of facts, asserting, “[09:22] ‘Most of what Donald Trump says is true. And Elon Musk is worse... 95% truth discount.’”
In a robust conclusion, Michael Popak reiterates the significance of ongoing legal battles as mechanisms to hold the Trump administration accountable. He underscores the critical need for transparency and adherence to constitutional principles within federal operations. Popak encourages listeners to stay informed and engaged, emphasizing the role of pro-democracy platforms like Legal AF in fostering informed discourse.
Michael Popak at [00:47]:
“Elon Musk sent out through his Office of Personnel Management email from a cowardly email address of hrpm.com... to fire up your day and in a cowardly way try to fire you.”
Michael Popak at [07:05]:
“Nothing says I'm a failing administration like this shit show.”
Michael Popak at [09:22]:
“Elon Musk is generating evidence against the Trump administration in courtrooms.”
Michael Popak at [09:22]:
“Most of what Donald Trump says is true. And Elon Musk is worse... 95% truth discount.”
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