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I mean, first of all, the Supreme Court stayed any contempt proceedings by Judge Boasberg. That case has been stayed in this case. We had a judge in Maryland tell us that, oh, no, there's not any evidence that he's a member of Ms. 13. You had no right to deport him. And so we. What should we do as a Department of justice when a judge is accusing us of doing something wrong, we have an obligation to everybody, including you, to investigate it. And that's exactly what we did. And so the reason why he was returned and the facilitation that brought him back here is not a judge. It's an arrest warrant issued by a grand jury from the middle district of Tennessee charging him with two counts of very serious charges.
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Now, when we have things like that, we have an entitlement, whether you're in criminal court or you're in civil court to get documents and information. We call it discovery. It's the same. Sometimes it's called disclosure, but we generally call it discovery, criminal discovery, if you're a criminal defendant, that the prosecution has to turn over all sorts of what we call Brady material, All sorts of things that either prove, tend to prove your guilt or your innocence. Everything, nothing gets withheld here. Everything's being withheld. And on the, and on the civil side, if Donald Trump is a plaintiff or a defendant or he has Melania threatened to sue people, then that opens the whole Pandora's box, right? It opens up everything. Depositions for Donald Trump. We'll talk about the civil side in a minute. Because there's many cases that Donald Trump has decided to bring during his administration, not waiting for him to leave, which subjects him to this type of discovery and deposition under oath. Now, here's what the defense has told Judge Crenshaw, and I'm sure Judge Crenshaw is not too happy. He'll be pulling everybody together soon for a conference. But here's what Sean Hecker and the team for Abrego Garcia said. As of the filing of this status report a couple of days ago, the government has not produced any discovery to the defense, responded to the defense's letter concerning potential witnesses, nor identified any other anticipated hearing witness. As a result, the defense is concerned it will not have sufficient time for the government to collect the discovery, review the discovery, provide the discovery for any disputes to be resolved, all before November 4 and 5.
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The government is freaked out. They filed in their opposition to certain of the discovery. And they made a revelation here in footnote two of their filing. Indeed, it is clear the government writes that defendant is not content to stop with this discovery. We haven't gotten any discovery from you. No way. To prepare for the hearing on October 20, defense counsel subpoenaed the deputy Attorney general, Associate Deputy Attorney General, counselor to the Deputy Attorney General, as well as two HSI agents to testify at the evidentiary hearing. And then we're. We're going to be filing a motion about that. Well, good luck. The judge already saw the clip we just played. We brought the receipts about Todd Blanche. He is a. He is an important witness. They say, well, no, there's a guy named Maguire who's like the acting interim U.S. attorney in Tennessee. He'll do it. He'll talk about his role. That's not good enough. We don't trust the government. There's no presumption of regularity, which is a doctrine where judges would normally say, let's cut to the chase. I generally believe the Department of Justice is following its Department of Justice manual, its principles of federal prosecution, and things are regular. Can't assume that here. Even the government says nothing about this case is regular. They say it in their own filing. Um, it says defense. This is on page eight. Government defendants motion to compel should be denied. It is the rare case. I think we're in the rare case, aren't we? Where the defendant is entitled to. To any discovery at all on a vindictive prosecution case. And the discovery sought here would be overbroad and highly damaging. Yeah, be highly damaging because they don't want to tell the truth that they are vindictively prosecuting Abrego Garcia. Um, and I don't agree with that, based on the law that it is rare for there to be discovery related to vindictive prosecution. How do you approve the case without it? Now, I just interviewed Michael Wolf, turning to civil side Donald Trump has sued the New York Times for defamation. His wife has just threatened to sue Michael Wolf, the journalist and chronicler of Epstein and Donald Trump for billions of dollars of defamation. But he sued her first in New York just in the last several hours. In the last hours or so. And that opens the door for more discovery, more depositions. Melania under oath. Donald Trump under oath. Ghislaine Maxwell under oath. You see where this is going. Those in their inner circle under oath. In fact, we covered it in my interview and here's a clip, a judgment.
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That says you can't do this. And this process will, gives us now the right to call witnesses, subpoena power. And in those witnesses might very well will very well include Melania Trump and Donald Trump and therefore afford me the opportunity to, to really have an in depth discussion with them under oath before a court reporter about their relationship with, with Donald Trump. With Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, with, with, with Jeffrey Epstein. Yes. So, I mean Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein had this long friendship, really a joined by the hip friendship. So, so there will be a lot of questions and there may be other witnesses called as well. Oh yes, and anyone, anyone who might have information about their relationship. Donald Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Melania's. Melania Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and his circle. Yes. They would be called Ghislaine Maxwell. Couldn't you. Oh, he certainly could. Even though she's in a Texas camp right now.
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I mean, I don't know what the procedure is, but see, but if she's, if she's subpoenaed, she has to testify.
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You could call, let me just say one other witness. You could call Paulo Zampoli, who is Melania's agent, of course, to have introduced Trump to Melania. Of course, and many others who I know who were involved in that, in that circle.
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Right. This, this is a can of worms and Donald Trump is a giant can opener. This is why presidents don't sue. Generally. It's only happened a couple of times in history, don't sue during their presidency. Cuz they don't want to be able to, they don't want to have to testify or people in their families, it's usually protect my families. Don't go after my families. Forget that Melania is threatening to, to use Donald Trump's own lawyer to go after people for phony claims of defamation. People get to defend themselves. Now you can't say, well, I'm the President. You can't use the presidency as a sword to attack People in lawsuits. And as a shield. Oops, you can't. But you. But I'm busy these days, you know. We'll have to wait till after I'm done. No. Then dismiss the lawsuits. So I'm going to continue to follow it all as I do here on Legal A F on the Midas Touch network and over on legal AAF YouTube. Hit the free free subscribe button there. We now more than ever need your help, your defense, your protection from the Trump administration attacking Legal AF and Midas Dutch. Keep us on the air, keep the content coming. Legal AF, YouTube, 10 new videos a day, Legal AF substack and substack live. $6.77 a month to keep us on the air, so to speak. So until my next report, I'm Michael Popo. Can't get your fill of Legal af. Me neither. That's why we formed the Legal AF sub stack. Every time we mention something in a hot take, whether it's a court filing or a oral argument, come over to the substack. You'll find the court filing and the oral argument there, including a daily roundup that I do called Wait for it Morning af. What else? All the other contributors from Legal AF are there as well. We got some new reporting, we got interviews, we got ad free versions of the podcast and hot takes. Wear Legal AF on Substack. Come over now to free subscribe. Morning, Zoe. Got donuts. Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage? Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you teach me. So Dana. Oh no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly at T Mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system. Wow, impressive. Let me try. T Mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network. Nice. Jeffrey, you heard them. T Mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible trade in in any condition. So what are we having for launch? Dude, my work here is done 24 month ago is on experience beyond for well qualified customers plus tax and $35 device connection charge credits ended balance due to payoff earlier. Cancel Finance Agreement. IPhone 17 Pro 256 gigs $1,099.99 and.
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Date: October 24, 2025
Host(s): Ben Meiselas, Michael Popok, Karen Friedman Agnifilo
This episode breaks down groundbreaking legal developments involving both the Trump administration and the Department of Justice, focusing on the upcoming evidentiary hearing about vindictive prosecution against the DOJ. The hosts detail the case of Kilmer Abrego Garcia—a defendant alleging he was illegally deported and then framed with trumped-up charges as retaliation. The episode also delves into how these events could set precedents for similar motions and touches on Donald Trump and Melania Trump’s escalating civil lawsuits, including deposition risks for the Trump inner circle.
Backdrop:
Government Retaliation:
Judge’s Stance & Evidentiary Hearing:
Targeting DOJ Officials:
Lack of Disclosure:
Government’s Response:
‘Blueprint’ for Future Motions:
Breaking Civil Side Developments: Trump vs. Media
Wolff expects to question both Donald and Melania Trump about their ties to Jeffrey Epstein:
Presidents Generally Avoid Suing:
The tone is urgent, analytical, and at times wryly humorous—especially when highlighting the paradoxes and risks of high-stakes legal maneuvering involving Trump, the DOJ, and the courts.
The episode is a deep dive into the intersection of legal accountability and political power—capturing how courtroom strategies, judicial findings, and high-profile litigation around Trump will impact legal precedent and public transparency. The hosts highlight potential turning points for the DOJ, legal standards around vindictive prosecution, and the unforeseen consequences of Trump’s penchant for litigation.
For listeners interested in law, politics, and the legal perils of power, this episode is packed with valuable insights and memorable soundbites.