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The Trump administration is the worst administration we have ever had for public health. Hundreds of thousands of people are going to die or have died from infants up to seniors because of the policies of the Trump administration. Directly cause and effect. And now we're Watching three or four worlds collide, including a new set of whistleblower complaints coming out from the top doctors and top scientists of the National Institute of Health. You know, the group that, that Foushee Dr. Fauci once run, which calls out this administration for defunding research, making us unsafe, minimizing the deaths of children, thousands of children dying from bird flu because they're not getting the proper vaccines, and we don't have the proper vaccines available for them. This is an administration that's run by a guy, Donald Trump, whose own failing health has become a crisis. Is he dead? Is he alive? If he's alive, why does he look like he's dead? And he put RFK Jr. To, in his own words, quote, run wild, this non scientist, non doctor, anti science, anti medical research, anti vaccines guy to run roughshod over our public health. Yes, he was grilled by the Senate Finance Committee, and he may be losing his job, but in the meantime, we're losing all of the respected researchers and scientists and doctors to make us safe. Donald Trump doesn't believe in global health and global health crises. Where does he think pandemics and epidemics come from? Idaho? They don't come from Canada. They come from overseas. They come from China. They come from Africa. They come from India. And so we gotta be in the game doing the research to prepare for the next pandemic. We are not prepared for the next pandemic. I know it because the two whistleblowers, the two top doctors and scientists just said so. We just lost. With a whistleblower complaint behind them. Dr. Gene Marrazzo and Dr. Kathleen Noisel. Dr. Jean Marrazo is effectively the Dr. Fauci in the National Institute of Health for the Trump administration. Until two days ago, Dr. Kathleen Neisel was. Was NIH's global health center director. So Trump has taken us out of the game of being a leader in global health, meaning things that come to our shore from overseas we are not prepared for. In combination for all that, RFK Jr. Just in the last 90 days has cut $500 billion for a rapid vaccine program research. 500 billion. Canceled the program. Sure. We don't need a rapid response to vaccines. I thought this was the president that used to brag Trump about Operation Warp Speed, in which he got the COVID vaccine developed in, you know, in less than a year instead of 10 years. Yeah, well, his RFK junior just killed the $500 billion program to do that again. In the face of the next pandemic, he fired RFK Jr. 17. All 17 members of a vaccine advisory board. Because he didn't like the advice that he was given, which was, we got to have vaccines for measles and smallpox. We got to have developing vaccines for flu and the flu season. We got to be ready for the next pandemic. Fired. Fired them. And then on top of that, he said in his Senate confirmation hearings that get the Republican votes. RFK Jr said, I will never stand in the way of anyone getting a vaccine or undermine their decision making related to it. I just want a conversation. Well, apparently the conversation is a direction and an order because he's doing exactly that by interfering. You and I can no longer, as of today, go to a pharmacy and get a COVID 19 vaccine because of RFK Jr. And Donald Trump. Thank you. You can thank them for that. For people that are dying from COVID this, this season, now you got to go to your doctor, you got to make an appointment, you got to have a consultation. You know, people aren't going to do that. That's one, two, it's. He completely wrecked the recommendations for childhood immunology and vaccines. It's all discretionary now. It's all voluntary. It's all optional. Smallpox is not optional. Smallpox and measles are not optional. They're happening. They're infecting children. And then on, on the basis of that, you got states like Florida that say through their crazy quack of a doctor, Surgeon general in Florida, we're getting rid of all mandatory vaccines for children. It's all optional. Is it optional? It's like if I need surgery and I is it optional? Like, I shouldn't get it because, you know, my, my choice is the same as the doctor's recommendation. This is the world we've now created. And here's what Dr. Noisel said in her whistleblower complaint, that if we don't continue to do the science, then we won't have the future advances, we won't make vaccines better. We won't be able to quickly have vaccines against new and emerging infections. Hundreds of children have already died from bird flu because of Donald Trump's policies. That's also part of the whistleblower complaint. We also have this statement from Dr. Marrazzo, effectively the Dr. Fauci of the Trump administration. We have seen in the US and abroad the devastating effects of not being prepared to fight these infectious diseases. The derailment of promising vaccine research killed off by Donald Trump and RFK Jr. Is putting us at such a disadvantage and doing such a disservice to the American people as far as maintaining their prospects for good health. She really means their prospects to stay alive. Now they're blaming Dr. Matthew Mamoli, who was the acting director of the National Institute of Health, who is RFK junior henchman for cutting the grants to the universities. Billions of dollars. I mean, Harvard just got its $2.2 billion grant reinstated by a federal judge. But remember, there was research that they were in the middle of that they had to pull up their pencils and take off their lab coats and start and stop doing, meaning we're less safe because there goes the next medical breakthrough, there goes the next vaccine, there goes the next cancer cure, there goes the next flu cure or Covid cure or the next pandemic cure. While Donald Trump fights it out in court with, with ordering the NIH to defy court orders, even though courts ordered them to reinstate the NIH grant process and stop slowing it down. Mamoli, according to the whistleblower complaint, told them to put on the brakes and make it hard. Hard to protect human life is what we're talking about at the end of it. And so there's so many moving parts here, but I wanted to pull it all together. Two weeks ago you got Dr. Susan Monterez, who is the head of the CDC for less than three weeks, took one look around at what RFK Jr. Was doing and said, I'm not going to rubber stamp quackery, pseudoscience, anything that's not science backed and an anti vaccine administration. And so she quit. They say they fired her, but she quit and four others followed right behind her who were all adults in the room that we needed to make ourselves safer. And who are they replaced by? Who's the nominee now by Donald Trump, A Peter Thiel private equity investment banker in California who's a buddy of J.D. vance and J.D. vance's mentor. We now have a businessman who's anti vax in charge of the CDC. Not a doctor, not a scientist, not a PhD holder, just a business guy who's friends with JD Vance. You know, sometimes when I'm listening to the news cycle spin out of control, I look over at my cat and I think, yep, the news and my cat have a lot in common. 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And buzzfeed said, my cats went completely ballistic for this stuff. What are you waiting for? Give your cat the food they deserve for a limited time only. Because you're a legal AF listener, you get 60% off your first Smalls order plus free shipping by using my code legal AF. That's 60% off when you head to smalls.com and use promo code legal. Again, that's promo code legal af for 60% off your first order plus free shipping@smalls.com Now, JD Vance is also at the center of the whistleblower complaint because it looks like the nih, based on JD Vance's relative waiting for a heart transplant, didn't want to get the COVID 19 vaccine that the hospital in Ohio required her to have. And doctor, Dr. Molly got involved and said we shouldn't be linking the vaccine to the transplant requirement. And the doctors who quit with the whistleblower complaint said, what are you talking about? You know, there's, there's strong medical research that links the two things together that she has to be healthy with a COVID 19 vaccine in order to get a transplant for it to be successful. But J.D. vance, again, anti science and why are these people making decisions for our health with no medical background? It's not like we elect. It's not like Donald Trump's business before was a doctor. You know, he's not a surgeon, he's not a doctor. He's a failed businessman and real estate developer at best. J.D. vance wrote a book once. That's it. That's it. He's not a scientist. Why don't we leave the science and medicine and medical breakthroughs and everything to the science, scientists and medical people, right? Like, I don't, I don't get onto an airplane and tap the pilot on the shoulder and say, let me give it a whirl. I don't, I don't I don't scrub in, you know, at a local hospital and say, let me. Let me give this. Let me give this. This heart surgery a whirl that. I've, you know, I've done DIY research on YouTube. I don't do that. Why don't we defer to the experts, right? When you need to go to court and win a case, you hire a great lawyer, right? When you need a doc, My mother always said you need a great doctor in life, a great lawyer in life, and a great tailor, right? Don't do all those. Don't do those things yourself unless you know what you're doing. And this is. This is the administration that we have. That's why RFK Jr got his ass handed to him yesterday during confirmation here, during. During the grilling by the Senate Finance Committee, because he lied to the Republicans that supported him, like Bill Cassidy and Thom Tillis and others. I'm not gonna stand in the way of science. I'm not gonna stand in the way of vaccines. That's exactly what he's done. He's done everything he can. And the difference is, I wouldn't care if this was like a tabletop exercise. Like, wouldn't it be interesting if we cut all the funding from the NIH to major universities, if we pull the plug on all the research that America's doing, if we pulled ourselves out of global health, if we pulled ourselves out of the ability to generate vaccines at warp speed to address the next pandemic. I wonder what that would do to public health if we also denied people the ability to get vaccines, told children they didn't have to get vaccines, take away the COVID 19 vaccine and do that all at the same time. What would that do? We're not doing a computer simulation and a model. This is my life you're dealing with. This is the public's life, you know, voters. And that's why the midterms is going to be a referendum, among many things, about the Trump administration's approach to public health. You know, and you could just make. I mean, if the Democrats can't make this case that they don't deserve to win, you've got $3 trillion from Medicare, Medicaid being pulled out, which means we have 20 million more people now without health insurance at all in America because of the underfunding and the undercutting of Obamacare. But by the Trump administration In the first seven months, 20 million people are hoping they don't get hit by a truck or get sick in this. In this sick Trump administration world. That's, that's one right. Two, you got Donald Trump doesn't care about his own health to who is he to direct me? Three, you've got the undermining of every aspect of public health that makes us safer. I never wanted a think about public why do I have to think about public health? I just assumed there were people who knew what they were doing, who are giving the right recommendations and guidelines, who are developing the right vaccines, who are out doing the right research for the future advances. I just assumed that was happening. Now you can kiss all that goodbye. So this is a referendum on public health and the failing public health. And the Democrats should hold up the numbers of the estimate of the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Americans who are who will die from now till the midterms because of Donald Trump's policies and hold that up and put up cardboard tombstones in a field somewhere demonstrating how big that number really is. That's going to be one of the referendums against the Trump administration. The failing economy which is linked to it is another one because he's not going to be able to turn this around in time for the midterms because his economic policies are flawed and failing, just like his health. So I'm here to cover it. I might as touch of Legal AF on Michael Popak follow me on all things Legal AF, including on the Legal AF YouTube channel and Legal AF substack until my next report by Michael Popo. Can't get your fill of Legal af. 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This episode of Legal AF delivers a scathing, detailed analysis of the Trump administration’s current public health policy crisis. Host Michael Popok highlights a wave of high-profile resignations and whistleblower complaints from top scientists and doctors at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the CDC. The episode connects cuts to vaccine and medical research funding, anti-science appointees, and direct impacts on American lives—framing the situation as a public health emergency and a major risk for the country as the 2025 midterms approach.
Popok opens with a strong indictment:
“The Trump administration is the worst administration we have ever had for public health. Hundreds of thousands of people are going to die or have died... because of the policies of the Trump administration.” — Michael Popok [02:21]
He details how Trump’s management has “directly caused” unnecessary deaths, especially among children, due to insufficient vaccination, pandemic unpreparedness, and ongoing research defunding.
“RFK Jr. just killed the $500 billion program [for rapid vaccine response] to do that again in the face of the next pandemic… He fired… all 17 members of a vaccine advisory board because he didn’t like the advice that he was given.” — Michael Popok [03:40]
“RFK Jr. got his ass handed to him yesterday during confirmation…because he lied... I'm not going to stand in the way of science, I'm not going to stand in the way of vaccines. That's exactly what he's done.” — Michael Popok [14:10]
Americans now struggle to access basic COVID-19 vaccines:
“You and I can no longer, as of today, go to a pharmacy and get a COVID-19 vaccine because of RFK Jr. and Donald Trump… Now you gotta go to your doctor, you gotta make an appointment, you gotta have a consultation. You know, people aren’t going to do that.” — Michael Popok [05:10]
Immunizations for children now voluntary in states like Florida, risking outbreaks of diseases like measles and smallpox.
“We now have a businessman who's anti-vax in charge of the CDC. Not a doctor, not a scientist, not a PhD holder, just a business guy who's friends with JD Vance.” — Michael Popok [09:30]
“The Democrats should hold up… the estimate of the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of Americans who… will die… because of Donald Trump's policies and hold that up and put up cardboard tombstones in a field somewhere…” — Michael Popok [16:15]
On Public Health Leadership:
“Why don’t we leave the science and medicine and medical breakthroughs… to the scientists and medical people, right? I don't get onto an airplane and tap the pilot on the shoulder and say, let me give it a whirl.” — Michael Popok [12:40]
On Ordinary Americans’ Loss:
“I never wanted… to think about public health. I just assumed there were people who knew what they were doing… Now you can kiss all that goodbye.” — Michael Popok [15:30]
Sarcastic Metaphor:
“I look over at my cat and I think, yep, the news and my cat have a lot in common. Both are unpredictable, loud at inconvenient times, and demand my attention when I least expect it.” — Michael Popok [09:01]
For listeners who missed the episode:
This Legal AF installment paints a vivid, alarming picture of a public health crisis precipitated by Trump-era mismanagement: scientists are resigning, whistleblowers are warning, and vaccine infrastructure is being gutted for ideological reasons. The state of American health—and the political and economic fallout—are positioned as key battlegrounds for the upcoming midterms.