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Well, the Trump administration almost missed their deadline. They got 60 days to file a notice of appeal in a case and they just filed a notice of appeal related to Judge Beryl Howell and her decision that the law firm of Perkins Coy was retaliated against in violation of its First Amendment rights, its Fifth Amendment rights. When Donald Trump tried to blacklist them because he saw their involvement with the Robert Mueller investigation and the rest declared them to be a national security risk, ordered all aspects of the federal government to stop doing business with them, effectively tried to cut their yearly revenue in half or more by denying them the ability to represent clients before the federal government. Judge Beryl Howell wrote a scathing decision, ultimately a permanent injunction against the Trump administration. And also at the same time, while rewarding Perkins Coy. She also said the 14 other law firms that settled with Donald Trump should have come to federal judges, should have obtained justice and should not have bent the knee to Donald Trump. She said in there that an independent bar is one of the major guardrails against a tyrant, against an out of control tyranny that being developed by Donald Trump. And she said those lawyers and those law firms that settled with Donald Trump, how can clients ever trust them? Barrel Howell wrote in her opinion. How could you ever trust that Donald Trump's going to do right by you? It isn't going to. Or the law firms are going to do right by you. It isn't going to try to accede to Donald Trump and the federal government in order to curry favor with them. That order has now been appealed just in the nick of time. We're just in the nick of time here on Midas Dutch Network and Legal af. Let's dive into it. An appeal. How do you get an appeal started? Let's do a TED Talk meets a law school class that you come to enjoy on Legal af. How do you do an appeal? You file a notice of appeal. Normally you have 30 days from a judgment to file your notice of appeal. Unless you're the federal government or a government, you get 60 days. So May 2 is when the order, the final order judgment against Donald Trump Trump administration was entered by Judge Beryl Howell in favor of Perkins Coy blocking the executive order making them radioactive from going into effect. So that gave them until July 2nd. So they've now filed their one page notice of appeal. It starts at the D.C. the D.C. court of Appeals, the, the Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit, if you will. It will then be assigned to one of, well, three. A three judge panel will be assigned to it they haven't moved for emergency relief. They haven't moved for an emergency stay as of yet. That could be coming. But it's a little hard to move for an emergency stay when you waited Almost a full 60 days to file your notice of appeal. It's hard to say it's an emergency when you've waited around tapping your foot for 60 days. So the, there will be a three judge panel that's randomly assigned by the clerk that comes from the 20 or so judges of the D.C. court of Appeals, the Circuit Court of Appeals, and then they'll set a briefing schedule. Briefing schedule, if it's on a normal track, will be over the next three to nine months with oral argument probably in the second quarter of 2026. Could happen in 2025. All bets are off if Donald Trump tries to make an emergency application. I just don't see that prevailing here. Arguments there will be that Donald Trump has the right that, that to call out law firms and to call them and brand them national security risks with little or no evidence. The fact that a former partner of Perkins Coy, Mark Elias, who is no longer there, and another of their lawyers who's no longer there, this is now seven, you know, six, seven years ago. They then Perkins Coy has to suffer for that. And where is the evidence of a national security risk that diversity, equity and inclusion is being used in the hiring practices? I mean, this whole thing is a mess, such a mess that Beryl Howell had to start her order with a recitation of the importance of the independence of the bar and lawyers in America. The citing to de Tocqueville, who circulated America in the 1830s, pointing out the only thing that stops this country from sliding into tyranny is an independent set of lawyers. And then citing to founding fathers who were lawyers who took on popular positions and of course weren't punished because of it. And so Donald Trump tried this once before just to remind everybody he brought a lawsuit against these same individuals, against Hillary Clinton, against the Democratic Party, against others down in Florida. You know what happened there? The judge, Judge Middlebrooks found it to be a wholly unworthy and meritless case. And find Donald Trump and Alina, Alina Haba, who brought the case. $1 million in sanctions for bad faith filing hasn't changed just because Donald Trump is now the President of the United States. So we'll get the briefing once the three judge panel is arranged. Once that panel is arranged, I'll be able to report on it on Midas Touch and on Legal AF about you know, is it a Trumper Obama person, a Clinton person? It used to not matter, but unfortunately we're able to interpret a lot of body language when we know who appointed these judges. Yeah, I want to say they're all moderate. I want to say they're all going to make the right decision or all for the rule of law. But let's be frank. You, you get a couple of Trumpers in there and all bets are off. So I want to see the three judge panel. Of course the briefing will be outstanding on the Perkins Coy side. It'll be less than outstanding on the Department of Justice side. They will likely rule for Perkins Coy, support the ruling of Judge Beryl Howell. And then the last stop on the train is Donald Trump trying to take some sort of appeal to the United States Supreme Court, which will not be an emergency application, but will be the regular request for an appeal. We call it a writ of certioraries. It gets filed. There has to be 4 votes of the 9 to be interested in the writ of certiorari and of course five votes to overturn Judge Beryl Howell. That will be in the next term of the United States Supreme Court. This last term just ended. Yeah, with with about six or eight opinions dropped on Friday, including some terrible ones about birthright citizenship and nationwide injunctions. 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Episode Title: Trump Nearly Blows It in Sham Lawsuit
Release Date: July 2, 2025
Host: Michael Popok
Duration: [00:00] – [End of Transcript]
In this episode of Legal AF, hosted by Michael Popok, the focus centers on a significant legal battle involving former President Donald Trump and the law firm Perkins Coy. The discussion delves into the intricacies of the lawsuit, the judicial responses, and the broader implications for the legal and political landscape.
Michael Popok begins by outlining the recent developments where the Trump administration filed a notice of appeal just before the 60-day deadline. The appeal concerns a case adjudicated by Judge Beryl Howell, who ruled against the Trump administration’s attempts to retaliate against Perkins Coy.
Michael Popok [00:00]: "The Trump administration almost missed their deadline. They got 60 days to file a notice of appeal in a case and they just filed a notice of appeal related to Judge Beryl Howell..."
Judge Howell delivered a "scathing decision" against the Trump administration, issuing a permanent injunction that blocks the executive order aimed at penalizing Perkins Coy. The judge emphasized the importance of an independent legal system as a bulwark against tyranny.
Michael Popok [00:02]: "Judge Beryl Howell wrote a scathing decision, ultimately a permanent injunction against the Trump administration."
In her opinion, Judge Howell highlighted the detrimental impact of undermining law firms that engage in high-profile investigations, such as the Robert Mueller probe. She also criticized the 14 other law firms that settled with Trump, questioning their integrity and ability to safeguard client interests.
Michael Popok [00:04]: "She said an independent bar is one of the major guardrails against a tyrant, against an out of control tyranny that being developed by Donald Trump."
The Trump administration's appeal, filed just in time, targets the restrictions imposed on Perkins Coy. Popok explains the procedural aspects of filing an appeal, noting that the case will move to the Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit, where a randomly assigned three-judge panel will review the decision.
Michael Popok [00:09]: "They’ve now filed their one-page notice of appeal. It starts at the D.C. court of Appeals... it will be assigned to one of three, a three-judge panel."
Popok expresses skepticism about the likelihood of an emergency stay, given the delayed filing of the appeal.
Michael Popok [00:15]: "It’s hard to move for an emergency stay when you waited almost a full 60 days to file your notice of appeal."
The appeal process is expected to span several months, with a briefing schedule projected to conclude between three to nine months and oral arguments possibly occurring in the second quarter of 2026 or late 2025.
Michael Popok [00:18]: "Briefing schedule, if it’s on a normal track, will be over the next three to nine months with oral argument probably in the second quarter of 2026. Could happen in 2025."
There is also a discussion about the potential for Trump to escalate the appeal to the United States Supreme Court through a writ of certiorari. However, Popok remains doubtful about the Supreme Court's willingness to overturn Judge Howell's decision.
Michael Popok [00:30]: "Donald Trump trying to take some sort of appeal to the United States Supreme Court, which will not be an emergency application, but will be the regular request for an appeal."
Popok provides a critical analysis of the Trump administration’s motives and the broader implications for the legal profession. He underscores the significance of Judge Howell’s emphasis on the independence of lawyers as a safeguard against authoritarianism.
Michael Popok [00:23]: "Beryl Howell had to start her order with a recitation of the importance of the independence of the bar and lawyers in America."
Moreover, he reflects on the historical context, citing de Tocqueville and the founding fathers who championed legal independence to prevent tyranny.
Popok also references Trump's previous legal challenges, noting that past attempts to target political adversaries resulted in unfavorable judgments and sanctions, which remain unchanged despite Trump's presidential status.
Michael Popok [00:27]: "The judge, Judge Middlebrooks found it to be a wholly unworthy and meritless case... $1 million in sanctions for bad faith filing hasn't changed just because Donald Trump is now the President of the United States."
The episode explores possible outcomes of the appeal process. Popok speculates that the three-judge panel is likely to uphold Judge Howell’s ruling, reinforcing the protection of legal firms like Perkins Coy from politically motivated retaliation.
Michael Popok [00:35]: "They will likely rule for Perkins Coy, support the ruling of Judge Beryl Howell."
He also touches upon the dynamics within the appellate panels, considering the political affiliations of the judges appointed by previous administrations, and how this might influence the case's trajectory.
Michael Popok [00:32]: "I want to see the three judge panel... you get a couple of Trumpers in there and all bets are off."
Additionally, there's a brief mention of upcoming Supreme Court actions, including cases on birthright citizenship and nationwide injunctions, indicating a tumultuous period ahead for the judiciary.
Michael Popok wraps up the episode by highlighting the various platforms where listeners can stay updated on the case and related legal-political developments. He encourages engagement with Legal AF’s diverse content offerings, including their Substack, YouTube channel, and daily video updates.
Michael Popok [00:45]: "Every time we mention something in a hot take, whether it’s a court filing or an oral argument, come over to the substack. You’ll find the court filing in the oral argument there, including a daily roundup that I do called Wait for It Morning AF."
The episode underscores the critical role of the judiciary in maintaining legal integrity amidst political pressures and sets the stage for ongoing coverage of this high-stakes legal battle.
Timely Appeal: The Trump administration filed an appeal within the 60-day window against Judge Howell’s decision blocking their retaliatory measures against Perkins Coy.
Judicial Integrity: Judge Howell’s ruling emphasizes the necessity of an independent legal system as a defense against potential tyranny.
Future Proceedings: The appeal will proceed through the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, with possible escalation to the Supreme Court, though outcomes remain uncertain.
Broader Implications: The case highlights the intersection of law and politics, raising concerns about the potential misuse of legal mechanisms for political gain.
Stay tuned to Legal AF for comprehensive updates and in-depth analyses of this evolving legal saga and its ramifications on the American legal and political framework.