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Michael Popok
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Ben Meiselas
Well, one thing we learned consistently about Donald Trump when he was a criminal defendant is that he doesn't care if his words and actions and social media posts are used against them in a court of law. He doesn't care about the backfire. And it's one of the things I actually enjoy about Donald Trump is that he is the definition of insanity. Cuz he does the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Now we have a new posting by him on social media media which confirms what we've seen in his actions and will be used by his adversaries and by the courts up to the United States Supreme Court against him. He just declared on social media that he doesn't believe in the due process, rights, constitutional protects, protections and privileges that are the bedrock principle of our constitutional republic. He doesn't believe in the fifth Amendment. He doesn't believe that people should have their day in court or what he says if we gave everybody a trial, we would be tied up for 200 years. I love when he says things out loud that we've always recognized, but now we can actually use it against him. And what we're seeing is that the Supreme Court is watching him carefully. They are deeply skeptical about the Trump administration. It is going according to the plan that we had here on Midas Touch, which is the longer he talks, the worse it is for Donald Trump. See, he thinks as a megalomaniacal, egotistical narcissist that he is, that the longer he talks, the more he'll convince people the more of him is actually better when the opposite is true. Less Trump is better. Less talking. To paraphrase Hamilton, he should talk less and smile more. But that's not this President of the United States and all of the people that are working hard to restrain this lawless president are happy that he gives them the ability to use his own words against them. I'm going to use his own words against him right here on the Midas Touch network and on Legal Aid. F I'm Michael Popo. Let's dive in. So after his Easter screed There's never a good time, there's never a better time to attack the American people, our justice system and your political enemies than a major Christian holiday like Easter, especially coming off the death of Pope Francis. But to Donald Trump, it's just another news cycle, another news cycle for him to vomit on the American people. And the polls are starting to reflect that. More of Donald Trump is not better. More of his attacks on the judiciary are not better. It's actually worse. It's seeped into the water supply. 58% of America thinks Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office if he doesn't abide by the US Constitution and continues to fight against the United States Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court is worried. Here's the new words that are going to be used against Donald Trump in real time in his cases. And there's 150 of them or 140 of them around the country and up at the United States Supreme Court. I mean, he has pending matters at the United States Supreme Court. There are at least a dozen appeals that are at the Supreme Court, including on emergency basis. And Donald Trump just undermined all of them by saying the quiet part out loud. They have a joke in Washington that, you know, what they call a Freudian slip in Washington when you accidentally tell the truth? Here's Donald Trump's Freudian slip. He said, in effect, that America cannot give everyone a trial, which, I'm sorry, that means he's not in favor of the Fifth Amendment and due process rights. So let me, let me juxtapose this for a moment. Donald Trump, on one hand, says, if you attack the United States Supreme Court, you are a criminal and you should be prosecuted while he attacks the United States Supreme Court. I mean, when he's not busy fist bumping John Roberts and patting him on the belly and saying, I'll never forget you at the. I added the wink in the shot at the joint session speech. You know, he's busy criticizing the Supreme Court, who has his presidency in the palm of their hands. He needs all the votes he can get. But here's what he just said on Monday. I am doing what I was elected to do, remove criminals from our country. But the courts don't seem to want me to do that. My team is fantastic, doing an incredible job. However, they are being stymied at every turn by even the US Supreme Court, which I have such great respect for, but which seemingly doesn't want me to send violent criminals and terrorists back to Venezuela or any other country for that Matter, we cannot give. Here's the kicker. We cannot give. Trump wrote everyone a trial because to do so would take without exaggeration, 200 years. We would need hundreds of thousands of trials for the hundreds of thousands of illegals we are sending out of the country. Such a thing is not possible to do. What a ridiculous situation we are in. Okay, first of all, we see that the court systems know how to give due process when it's required by the Constitution. We just saw a couple of thousand Gen Sixers before they were pardoned by this criminal president. We just saw them get processed through one courthouse in America in Washington D.C. primarily. So we're not calling for. There's different forms of due process, what the Supreme Court ruled. You know, we have two major rulings on immigration and Donald Trump's policies in the last month and a half. We've got the JGG decision in which the Supreme Court said 6 to 3, Trump. For now, you can continue to use the Alien Enemies act to deport and remove, but you gotta give notice in due process.
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Ben Meiselas
Okay, how many people are you removing under the Alien Enemies Act? That's only supposed to be when you're at war with a country and you have enemy combatants in the country, how many countries are we at war with? I didn't even know we were at war with Venezuela. Venezuela didn't even know we were at war with Venezuela. So what is that? A few hundred? So, yes, you have to give notice and you have to give due process and bring them before a judge on habeas corpus petition, which is what the Supreme Court said you had to do. Yes, that you have to do. Okay, the rest of the people you want to deport, if you want to remove their temporary protective status, if you want to get them out of the country, there are things you have to do under immigration law to properly do. That doesn't mean you have to bring them before a judge. But if you're going to deport them to a prison, which is invokes our criminal justice system, then you have to use due process and habeas corpus petition proceedings. Not everybody that. This is the canard, this is the lie. Another series of lies by the Trump administration. This is like 10 Pinocchios. He's not deporting everybody as criminals. But if you're going to call somebody a criminal and not just get them out of the country and send them back to their home country, but send them to a jail, then you have to give due process and it's. I don't know if Donald, I mean Donald Trump is either criminally insane, just a moron, which it may be, or he finds by saying stupid crap out loud that's not true, to score cheap political points, that this will fool the American people. And frankly, he may not be wrong because the polling is showing that to his base and I mean the basis of base, the MAGA base. He can do no wrong when it comes to immigration and his attack on the judges. The more he pushes that button, the more on balance they think he's doing okay. He's got a plus one favorability rating on immigration. He's negative 10 and 20 on every other topic, meaning his unfavorable rating is between 10 and 20 points higher than his favorability rating. So he's got it. This is the only thing he's got. He's a one trick pony. He's got to keep leaning on immigration. Immigrants are criminals. This, this is his formula. All immigrants are criminals. Criminals must go to jail. I want to jail them without due process. And if we. But this whole thing, it's going to take hundreds of thousands in order to get rid of all of Joe Biden's illegally. That's a lie. There is a small subset that he apparently wants to put into jail. If he didn't want to put the the trend, aragua and the Ms. 13 narco gang into jail. He could just send them back to their home countries, release them to Venezuela, but because Venezuela wanted to put them in a jail, or, or, sorry, El Salvador wanted to put them in a jail. And because we were storing in a jail, Venezuelans in El Salvador, hence the Fifth Amendment due process issue. If you just want to send them out of the country, you don't have that problem. I mean, there may be some issues that, that violate immigration law. You got to comply with immigration law, but this does not mean you're gonna have unlimited hundreds of thousands of trials. And if you didn't want hundreds of thousands of trials, then you should have agreed to a class action handled by Judge Boasberg in D.C. but you didn't want that. So you forced the Supreme Court to order habeas corpus petitions, individual or by class, where these people are located. Hence all of the cases. I do love the fact that he does admit that his lawyers are getting stymied by the attorneys general. The public interest groups, the ACLU, who are batting about.900 against the Trump administration right now, they want about 80% of their cases against Trump last time. But this is three and four and five times more cases than we ever saw before. I said there's going to be 4,000 total cases filed against Trump administration before it's over. At the rate we're going, that is going to be true. So I wanted to kind of burst. Burst this bubble, kind of explain the lie so that we, speaking truth to each other, are better prepared for our next debate on the street, for our next debate at a rally for, you know, a rally a day keeps fascism away as. As Representative Raskin says. And then in addition to that, I want to prepare everybody for the midterms. This has to be seared into the memory. We gotta reprogram everybody's minds. We got a group of people who don't believe in this country or it's checks and balance or separation of powers anymore because of Donald Trump his first four years and now his first 85 or 90 days. We'll follow it all right here.
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Legal AF by MeidasTouch
Episode: Trump Sets Major Trap for Himself in Supreme Court
Release Date: April 24, 2025
In this episode of Legal AF by MeidasTouch, host Ben Meiselas delves into the recent developments surrounding former President Donald Trump and his ongoing legal battles. Joined by national trial lawyer strategist Michael Popok and former Chief Assistant District Attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo, the discussion offers a comprehensive analysis of Trump's latest actions and their potential implications on his Supreme Court cases.
Ben Meiselas opens the conversation by highlighting a significant shift in Donald Trump's behavior as evidenced by his recent social media activity. At 00:29, Meiselas asserts:
"One thing we learned consistently about Donald Trump when he was a criminal defendant is that he doesn't care if his words and actions and social media posts are used against them in a court of law. He doesn't care about the backfire."
Meiselas criticizes Trump's tendency to repeat the same strategies, likening it to insanity due to his expectation of different outcomes. This pattern has now manifested in a new social media post where Trump openly dismisses fundamental constitutional protections:
"He just declared on social media that he doesn't believe in the due process, rights, constitutional protects, protections and privileges that are the bedrock principle of our constitutional republic." (00:29)
This blatant disregard for due process and the Fifth Amendment not only undermines his legal standing but also provides the judiciary with clear grounds to challenge his actions.
The hosts discuss how Trump's recent statements are poised to be leveraged in his ongoing and future cases before the United States Supreme Court. Meiselas emphasizes that the Supreme Court is increasingly wary of Trump's administration:
"The Supreme Court is watching him carefully. They are deeply skeptical about the Trump administration." (00:29)
With at least a dozen appeals pending at the Supreme Court, including emergency cases, Trump's comments are expected to play a pivotal role in shaping the Court's decisions against him. Meiselas points out a specific instance where Trump's own words become a double-edged sword:
"He is busy criticizing the Supreme Court, who has his presidency in the palm of their hands." (04:45)
This contradiction highlights the precarious position Trump finds himself in, where his attempts to undermine the judiciary only serve to strengthen the Court's resolve against him.
Ben Meiselas provides a detailed breakdown of Trump's immigration policies and their legal ramifications. Addressing Trump's use of the Alien Enemies Act, Meiselas questions the legitimacy and practicality of deploying such measures:
"Trump sets up a major trap for himself by openly declaring policies that require due process, which he verbally dismissed." (05:10)
He further elaborates on the Supreme Court's stance, citing recent decisions that mandate due process in immigration enforcement:
"The Supreme Court said you gotta give notice in due process." (06:00)
Meiselas dismantles Trump's narrative by exposing the inconsistencies and legal oversights in his approach, emphasizing that the administration's strategies do not align with constitutional requirements.
The discussion shifts to public perception, with Meiselas referencing polling data that reflects a majority of Americans disapproving of Trump's actions:
"58% of America thinks Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office if he doesn't abide by the US Constitution and continues to fight against the United States Supreme Court." (05:50)
This significant opposition is attributed to Trump's aggressive stance against established legal norms and his persistent attacks on the judiciary, which have eroded public trust and heightened calls for accountability.
In wrapping up the episode, Ben Meiselas underscores the critical juncture at which Trump stands. His willingness to disregard constitutional protections and publicly challenge the Supreme Court not only jeopardizes his legal standing but also emboldens his adversaries to use his own words against him in court. Meiselas advocates for continued vigilance and public awareness as the legal battles intensify, particularly with upcoming midterm elections on the horizon.
"We gotta reprogram everybody's minds. We got a group of people who don't believe in this country or its checks and balance or separation of powers anymore because of Donald Trump." (12:00)
The hosts conclude by encouraging listeners to stay informed and engaged, emphasizing the importance of upholding democratic principles in the face of unprecedented legal challenges.
Key Quotes:
Ben Meiselas [00:29]: "He is the definition of insanity. Cuz he does the same thing over and over again expecting a different result."
Ben Meiselas [04:45]: "He is busy criticizing the Supreme Court, who has his presidency in the palm of their hands."
Ben Meiselas [05:10]: "Trump sets up a major trap for himself by openly declaring policies that require due process, which he verbally dismissed."
Ben Meiselas [05:50]: "58% of America thinks Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office if he doesn't abide by the US Constitution and continues to fight against the United States Supreme Court."
Ben Meiselas [12:00]: "We gotta reprogram everybody's minds. We got a group of people who don't believe in this country or its checks and balance or separation of powers anymore because of Donald Trump."
This episode of Legal AF by MeidasTouch offers an incisive examination of Donald Trump's latest legal maneuvers and their potential consequences. By dissecting Trump's rhetoric and actions, the hosts provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the intricate interplay between law and politics in the current American landscape.