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Donald Trump will soon be sitting for a deposition, sworn statement under oath in a case that he brought against the British Broadcasting Corporation about their coverage of his speech on the Ellipse on January 6th. And he has no one to blame but his own lawyers. Forget talking truth to power. Are the lawyers for Donald Trump speaking to him at all? Because they decided to go to federal court and oppose British Broadcasting Corporations motion to stop all discovery, all depositions until the BBC's motion to dismiss the case for lack of personal jurisdiction and other reasons is decided by the court. It's exactly what they agreed to do in another frivolous case brought by Donald Trump against Rupert Murdoch and his Dow Jones in the same courthouse down the hall in front of Judge Gales. But now they're in front of Judge Altman, a Trump appointee. Maybe that's the reason from 2019. And they decided, no, we want to be deposed. We want Donald Trump to have to sit in a chair and potentially have to take the Fifth Amendment in response to questions about what happened on January 6th. It's mind boggling. I'm Michael Popak. You're on Midas Touch Network and Legal af. So several months ago, Donald Trump sued a bunch of people. One of them are entities, one of them was the British Broadcasting Corporation because he didn't like the fact that they edited the first part of his ellipse speech with the second part of his ellipse speech and made it look like, I don't know, it's his own words that he was actually going to go down to the Capitol with the insurrectionists. I mean, that's what he said. At any event, he didn't like it because. So he sues everybody that he doesn't like, like Wall Street Journal and BBC and the Pulitzer Prize board and the New York Times and Michael Cohen, et cetera, et cetera. So in the just to contrast these two cases, they're about six months apart. He files against the Dow Jones, Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch and There, same lawyers, different judge. Judge Gales, Democrat appointee. They decide, well, why don't we let Dow Jones do their motion to dismiss and we'll have a hearing on it and then we'll do discovery later. In other words, we won't subject Trump to a deposition. Okay, they filed their motion to dismiss. The judge heard it. We're waiting for a ruling. My gut is he's going to dismiss the case. Month or two ago, Donald Trump, same lawyers. Alejandro Brito, this guy in Coral Gables, Florida, files in same courthouse, Southern District of Florida in, in Miami. Right down the hall, Judge Altman. Only difference is the random wheel assignment lands on a Trump appointed judge from 2019. Okay, I wouldn't call him Maga, but a Trump appointed judge nonetheless. British Broadcasting Corporation, represented by different people, different lawyers. They file a motion to stop the discovery until they get a chance to file their motion to dismiss. Now let me give it to you. From a practitioner standpoint and knowing federal court practice, federal judges automatically don't like to stop discovery. State court, you got a better shot. If you're in state court, you can try to convince a state court judge, depending upon your state, to stop all discovery while a motion to dismiss the case is pending. Federal court doesn't like to stop cases, and they certainly don't like to do it when you haven't yet filed your motion to dismiss. And this was the problem for the BBC. They didn't file their motion to dismiss. They talked about it. It's coming. Jud think it's gonna say this. You'll be interested in it and it'll be dispositive, meaning it'll get rid of the whole case. And that's not quite how you handle it, especially in the Southern District of Florida and in front of Judge Altman. But this will backfire. For Donald Trump. This is yet another case where he's decided for political gain, political purposes, for pr. He's gonna sue all of his enemies and he has Melania do it as well. But Melania going after Michael Wolf, the journalist in a lawsuit, all this does is expose them since he's doing something unheard of. And that has never been done in the history of our presidency, which is a sitting president decides to grind his ax against his enemies and go after his enemies list by civil or criminal cases. We never had that before, but it opens the Pandora box. Pandora's box. Because now he what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Mixing my metaphors and sayings, you have if you're going to sue and you're the plaintiff, which he is President Donald Trump as pre, as plaintiff, you know, then you sit for deposition. If I'm the BBC, I would hurry up, get your associates working round the clock. Put them on that habit trail that, put them on that, that wheel and get that effing motion to dismiss filed asap. Like, by the time I'm done with this video, you should be filing that motion to dismiss and along with it, ask for a renewed hearing on the motion to stay discovery. Failing that, that's not your strategy. Then take the cards you've been dealt and set Donald Trump for deposition. And anybody else you can think of that's relevant. This episode is brought to you by IQ Bar, our exclusive snack, hydration and coffee sponsor. IQ Bar Protein bars, IQ Mix, hydration mixes and IQ Joe mushroom coffees are the delicious, low sugar brain and body fuel you need to win your day. The new year means a clean slate. Time to power your day with IQ Bar. Their Ultimate Sampler pack is a great way to try everything. You get nine IQ Bars, eight IQ Mix sticks and four IQ Joe sticks. 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The judge also issued his standard order setting the case for trial. This case is going to go unless it's dismissed earlier. And it could be. I mean, defamation cases are difficult to dismiss early because there's so many facts in dispute that it, it undermines the ability to obtain a summary judgment in advance of trial because that has to be decided by the trier of fact. He has that the trier fact. Usually a jury has to sort out these Types of disputed facts or not. But assuming there's. The summary judgments don't work. This case going to trial a year from now, February 15, 2027, they're going to have to go to mediation. And generally, unless excused, Trump's going to have to go to mediation. Now, he can file a motion and say, I'm too busy. I'm the President of the United States. I'm too busy crushing the hopes and dreams of Americans and people around the world to show up for mediation. But there has to be somebody with authority, and he's suing in his own name. I think this is a mediation that Donald Trump's going to have to go to. I think it's very hard for him to be let out of this responsibility. So they're going to have to pick a mediator within the next three days. Then they've got all sorts of deadlines to do experts, to do their expert discovery, to do their discovery about the jurisdiction of the court. And then by November, right before Thanksgiving, they're going to have to start filing their motions for summary judgment. Um, and then they're sending it over to, to magistrate judge let to handle a lot of issues. But if I'm the BBC, stop struggling procedurally, I would not file. And in retrospect, another motion to stop discovery. Get your motion to dismiss done, get it on file and set Trump for deposition. What documents do you need? They're all in the public record. His role in Jan6, what did he do to interfere with the election? Why? What he said can never be defamatory because he doesn't have character that can be defamed. Go pull the Jan6 Committee's special report, you know, 900 pages. Go pull Jack Smith's volume one of his election interference case in front of Judge Chutkan. I mean, what else do you need? You have what you need. My audience, everybody in this audience in Midas touch and Legal AF land could do the deposition of Donald Trump right now, if I told you, right, 20 questions right now that you think are appropriate to ask Donald Trump in a case in which he alleges that he was defamed by. By showing his own words on a video from the BBC about his ellipse speech. Go write like an exam. Write 20 questions. You do. Great. I'd love to see those. In fact, you can put them in comments down in this video. Thanks for being here. Till my next report on Michael Popak, slide over to Legal AF YouTube channel. Support our dozen videos, new videos every day, and our Legal AF substack as well. Till my next report, I'm Michael Popak.
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This episode dives deep into a significant legal development: Donald Trump’s upcoming deposition in his own defamation suit against the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC). The episode spotlights how Trump's legal team’s tactical choices—specifically their missteps regarding discovery proceedings—have unintentionally set Trump up for a high-stakes, potentially damaging deposition relating to his actions and words about January 6th. The hosts analyze the legal strategy, court rulings, and implications for Trump, weaving expert opinions with sharp commentary on the intersection of law and political maneuvering.
"Forget talking truth to power. Are the lawyers for Donald Trump speaking to him at all?"
— Michael Popok ([00:46])
"This is yet another case where he’s decided for political gain, political purposes, for PR, he’s gonna sue all of his enemies...But it opens Pandora’s box. You sue, you sit."
— Michael Popok ([03:58])
"If you're going to sue and you’re the plaintiff...then you sit for deposition."
— Michael Popok ([04:56])
"If I’m the BBC...set Donald Trump for deposition and anybody else you can think of that’s relevant."
— Michael Popok ([06:35])
"He's suing in his own name. I think this is a mediation that Donald Trump’s going to have to go to."
— Michael Popok ([07:43])
"What else do you need? You have what you need. My audience...could do the deposition of Donald Trump right now."
— Michael Popok ([09:21])
On Legal Strategy:
"Are the lawyers for Donald Trump speaking to him at all?...They decided, no, we want to be deposed. We want Donald Trump to have to sit in a chair and potentially have to take the Fifth Amendment..."
— Michael Popok ([00:45])
On the Broader Implications:
"Never been done in the history of our presidency...a sitting president decides to grind his ax against his enemies and go after his enemies list by civil or criminal cases. We never had that before..."
— Michael Popok ([03:56])
On Next Legal Moves:
"If I'm the BBC, stop struggling procedurally, get your motion to dismiss done, get it on file and set Trump for deposition."
— Michael Popok ([08:13])
Michael Popok employs a mix of sharp legal analysis, incredulity at the strategy blunder, and a conversational, sometimes wry tone throughout. He breaks down complex procedural matters for a non-lawyer audience without dumbing down, inviting listeners into the process.
This episode of Legal AF spotlights a significant legal misstep by Trump’s counsel: by mishandling the timing and strategy around discovery, they expose Trump to direct, risky questioning under oath about January 6th. The analysis vividly illustrates the perils of “lawfare” as political weapon—and reminds lawyers and lay observers alike that being a plaintiff comes with obligations and vulnerabilities, even for a former president.