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Episode: Trump’s Top Venezuela Aide Turns Against Him on Invasion
Date: January 5, 2026
Hosts: Michael Popok (primary speaker in this ep), Ben Meiselas, Karen Friedman Agnifilo
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A critical, in-depth legal and political analysis of the Trump administration’s approach to Venezuela, focused on recent revelations from former Trump special envoy Elliot Abrams. The episode unpacks the influence of Big Oil, regime change priorities, Marco Rubio’s ambitions, the failure to support actual democratic actors in Venezuela, and the underlying geopolitical stakes.

Episode Overview

This episode tackles explosive new criticism from Elliot Abrams—Trump’s own former special envoy to Venezuela—who has denounced the administration’s recent “regime change” efforts as being driven by Big Oil and entrenched plutocratic interests rather than genuine support for democracy. Michael Popok guides listeners through Abrams’ pointed critique, examines Marco Rubio’s evasive TV appearances, and connects the dots between U.S. intervention, energy interests, and dynamics among Cuba, Russia, and Venezuela.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Big Oil and Regime Change in Venezuela

• Michael Popok opens with a blistering critique:

  “We know who's in charge of Venezuela. It is us, Big Oil, who bought and paid for a president. And you don't have to take my word for it. Take the words from an interview of Donald Trump's last Venezuelan special envoy, Elliot Abrams, who's come out against the administration and Marco Rubio...” [00:00]

• The Trump administration is accused of orchestrating a regime change not to restore democracy, but to empower a “compliant regime” that serves Big Oil.
• The U.S. is said to have only removed President Maduro while leaving core regime operatives in place—Delsey Rodriguez, her brother, Diazdado Cabello, Vladimir Padrino Lopez—thus maintaining the apparatchik and ultimately benefiting oil interests.

2. Elliot Abrams Speaks Out

• Abrams, in a recent CNN interview and op-ed, laments the shift away from democratization:
  • "Where is the push for democracy? Where is the plan to reinstall the government in exile...Who are Democratic? Where is that plan? And have we just bent the knee to big oil?" [A paraphrase and set up by Popok, 02:10]
  • Abrams calls for the U.S. to demand removal of Cuban and Iranian officials, liberation of political prisoners, and to support Edmundo Gonzalez—the candidate who won the 2024 election (70% landslide)—and opposition leader Maria Corina Machado:

    “We should be supporting Edmundo Gonzalez, who won that election in 2024 with a 70% landslide...The guy who won the election should be president.” — Elliot Abrams [03:33]

  • He criticizes the President’s offhand remark about how “difficult it would be to run Venezuela,” dismissing any notion that the U.S. could or should directly govern Venezuela:

    “It's too complex for us to run. What we should be looking for is a popular government, a democratic elected government that can begin to rehabilitate the country... The notion that we're going to run it from Washington I think is implausible, and it's just not going to work.” [04:41]

3. Marco Rubio’s Response and Personal Agenda

• Rubio on Face the Nation: Responds evasively to questions about oil interests and accusations from Abrams:
  • “The President used the word oil 20 times in this press conference....Elliot Abrams is publicly arguing that you know better than the policy you’re backing. He said, quote, Venezuelan plutocrats or US Oil executives seem to be coming to Mar a Lago and whispering about how easy life would be if we just made a deal with the regime once Maduro was gone. Is that what happened here?” — Margaret Brennan [06:03]
  • Rubio deflects:

    "No, that's not what happened here. What happened here is that we arrested a narco trafficker who's now going to stand trial in the United States...As far as oil, look, oil is critical...They need investment from private companies who are only going to invest under certain guarantees and conditions. That has to go to the benefit of the Venezuelan people..." [06:34]

• Popok’s Analysis:
  • Rubio is portrayed as viewing Venezuela largely through the lens of his own Cuban heritage and future political ambitions.
  • The Venezuela intervention is described as a “dress rehearsal” for a future attempt at regime change in Cuba:

    “This is nothing more than a dress rehearsal for Marco Rubio before he runs for president to try to take over Cuba and change and do regime change there as well.” — Michael Popok [07:54]

• Rubio’s priorities are questioned—was the intention really democracy or simply swapping out Maduro for a more manageable figure, leaving existing power structures and compliance to U.S./oil interests intact?

4. Democratic Opposition Marginalized

• Rubio is confronted about U.S. support for democratic opposition leaders Edmundo Gonzalez and Maria Corina Machado:
  • “Is that still the U.S. policy? And if so, are you working on a transition to have those elected leaders run the country?” — Margaret Brennan [10:16]
  • His answer is vague, full of platitudes without concrete commitment:

    “Well, I think a couple things. I have tremendous admiration for Maria Karina Machado. I have admiration. Fred Mundo we have all those views about the election that happened the last time. And not only us, but many other countries around the world. There is that and there's. But there's the mission we are on right now…” — Marco Rubio [10:40]

• Popok underlines that at best, democracy is a secondary concern; the real goal is stability for energy investment:

  "So we're not in the democracy making business any longer. We're in the whatever is good for big oil business." [11:55]

5. Geopolitical Stakes and the “Dun Row Doctrine”

• Popok frames this as part of a larger Trump-era hemisphere policy (“Dun Row Doctrine”):

  “So we just picked a fight with a puppet state of Russia, basically threatening them to say we're in charge of the Western Hemisphere and by extension, by implication, ceding the Europe eastern and western to Russia and places like Ukraine and China. Whatever it wants to do, just stay out of the Western Hemisphere.” [01:38]

• The episode highlights the risk of U.S. intervention being interpreted as a zero-sum game about resources and superpower spheres of influence.

6. Legal and Moral Implications

• The episode concludes with a warning:
  • Not just about circumventing international norms for energy interests, but about real legal exposure—from breached conventions to the absence of due process in Maduro’s removal.
  • Popok notes the presence of intelligence and military figures, but absence of DOJ officials in the Maduro “kidnapping”:

    “It was all the spooks, it was all the suits, it was all the CIA and the Joint Chiefs and Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth. You know, whose Marco Rubio, whose star is ascended. JD Vances, whose star has fallen off the table along with Pam Bondi.” [11:30]

• Heavy emphasis on following the legal intersections domestically and globally, not just the news cycle around regime change.

Notable Quotes and Moments

• Elliot Abrams (on CNN):

  • “We should be supporting Edmundo Gonzalez, who won that election in 2024 with a 70% landslide. The guy who won the election should be president.” [03:33]
  • “The notion that we're going to run it from Washington I think is implausible, and it's just not going to work.” [04:41]

• Michael Popok (summary remark):

  • “So we're not in the democracy making business any longer. We're in the whatever is good for big oil business.” [11:55]

• Marco Rubio (on Face the Nation):

  • “Oil is critical...They need investment from private companies who are only going to invest under certain guarantees and conditions. That has to go to the benefit of the Venezuelan people...” [07:13]
  • “[On transition to elected leaders] There is that and there's. But there's the mission we are on right now…” [10:40]

Important Timestamps

• 00:00–02:10: Popok’s opening—Big Oil, Trump, and regime change motives; setup for Elliot Abrams’ opposition to administration policy.
• 03:25–05:18: Elliot Abrams’ CNN interview—calls for democracy, opposes U.S. “running” Venezuela.
• 06:00–07:48: Rubio on Face the Nation—evasions about oil influence, focus on narco-trafficking and need for foreign investment; Popok mocks Rubio’s ambitions.
• 10:16–11:55: Brennan challenges Rubio on supporting democratic victors—Rubio’s noncommittal answer highlights deprioritization of democracy.
• 11:55–End: Popok’s summary on legal, geopolitical, and moral concerns; call to follow Legal AF for in-depth legal-political analysis.

Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Hard-hitting, often sarcastic, and direct. The hosts are unflinching in critiquing Trump, Rubio, and the broader implications for U.S. foreign policy.
• Takeaway: The Trump administration’s Venezuela intervention is deeply compromised by oil interests and political self-dealing, departing from genuine support for democracy. This episode exposes the mechanics of backroom regime change and the sacrificing of legal and democratic norms at the altar of energy geopolitics and political ambition.