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Episode 6 - Mastering the Hunt: Remi Warren on Archery, Elk Tactics, and Solo Pursuits
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What separates elite hunters from the rest? Remi Warren breaks it down through hard-won lessons.
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This is Legends of the Wild presented by Field and Stream. Let's get into it. All right, everybody. Today I'm joined by Remy Warren, who at this point, we've known each other for a long time, but welcome to the Legends of the Wild podcast.
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Yeah, thanks for having me on, man. I appreciate it.
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Absolutely. I've been thinking back, like, about when we first met. I feel like it was at a total archer challenge or something back in the day shooting photos for a couple different brands. But it wasn't until we spent seven days together on lanai chasing axis deer that I realized that we had fairly similar. Our brains worked. Very similar.
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And the same man be like, wow, we're, it's like, you know, finishing each other's sentences kind of thing. We like the same food, you know, like whenever you go, go to like get something with a buddy and you're like, dude, that that sounds real. I was thinking about doing that too. It's like, oh, yeah, this guy gets me, man. He knows what's up.
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Like, we're def. Like we're on the same page.
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We're on the same wavelength. Yeah. So like that. And then I was like. But I was like. Then we started hanging out and I'm like, we are actually very similar. Like, they are not wrong. Yeah.
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So I think, you know, like me in my career on, like, really a lot of time behind the lens, you've spent a whole lot more time in front of the camera. I mean, obviously I've done both, but like, compared to me, you've done a whole lot more in front of the camera. And I've been able to spend time with people all over the world, different hunts, different styles of hunting, but really, like, you are by far one of the best hunters that I have ever, like, shot photos of, ever spent time in the field with. And so one thing I wanted to dive into on this podcast is like, we'll go through a bunch of different things, but one of the things I want to talk about was like, how, where did the, where did all the experience come from and where, like, where's the switch? Where's the transition difference between like, okay, I'm just a guy that spends a lot of time in the woods, but like, you be like, and that a lot of people can do that. A lot of people spend days on end in the woods. But what's the difference maker like in your eyes, where, like, you become way more effective in the woods? And I don't want this to be a whole strategy podcast. That's not what this is all about. But just watching you in comparison to other people I've spent time with, like, it's a, it's a completely different, like, set of skills that you have. So where'd that come from?
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No, I, I appreciate that. And I think, you know, I always think of like when I'm out there, you know? Cause like, all I hunt with a lot of people through guiding, through other stuff, and then there's other people, like you say, where I've hunted with them, and I'm like, okay, these people, they, they've kind of tapped into that, that next level. They're the guys that are on that. You know, growing up, there was always the guys that were elk hunters, and there was like a very small percentage that were always successful elk hunter. Like, what was the difference between those guys? And they just kind of understood it in a different way. I think there's a couple of things that it really like to, to kind of fall into that kind of consistently successful and really make the right moves. One is just fortunately or unfortunately time, right? Like, I've been very fortunate to spend a lot of time out hunting and that's through, through guiding, through hunting for myself. Like, it's, I, I, I say this, that is like the year it was my, the year that I was in the field the most was 323 days. So it was like, that's a lot I was clearly single. I didn't have a family. I had nothing but hunting. Like, if I wasn't guiding, I was out scouting. I was out hunt. Like, I was just out every single day of the year. Pretty much the only was, like, travel days. And, you know, I'd go to New Zealand, Africa, like, wherever, working or guiding or hunting or doing whatever. And then even on here, I would be doing something along, scouting, whatever. And so, like, just putting in that time is. Is one thing, but I also think that there's, like, this knowledge base as well, of if people have spent a lot of time doing something but don't pay the right attention to the right things. And so my big takeaway is like, I think first, like, really understanding the animal that you're hunting, or understanding animals, but understanding the animal, especially elk. Build your sheep and. And you can go. I could go hunt a new species, like, access to or whatever, But I understand animals and the way that, like, you start to pick up on things, being around them so much and being in so many different environments, having things happen so many times that you start to kind of build patterns and pay attention to those patterns. Right? Because I know, like, there's people like that I hunt with a lot. I'm like, these guys hunt a lot, but they aren't, like, picking up on certain cues and certain things. So it's a level of attentiveness in the field that. That allows you to, like, more or less learn from your mistakes. So the time is making mistakes, but then how do you fix it next time? And how do you, you know, fix it the time after and the time after? And then you kind of get to a point where, all right, you start making less mistakes because you start accounting for all the possible things that can happen and then building your own strategy around that. And that's, like, for me, the thing that, you know, and I kind of probably developed that more actually through guiding in a way, because it was like, okay, I've got guys that don't have the same skills and abilities and whatever. They don't have the same physical ability as me. For me to go out and get an elk in an area that I know really well, maybe it doesn't take me that long, but for them to do it, I might only get one opportunity. So when I find that one opportunity, the stock has to be flawless, even if it's slow. Like, the setup has to be right. Like, you have to pay attention to every factor. You go in, like, this is your one chance. And then I think it Also multiplied doing the solo hunter show, where it was like, I'm hunting, and it's exponentially more difficult with the camera. So I'm going to get that opportunity. I have to pay attention to everything to make it work out. Like, I have to. Essentially, on most of those bow hunts, I was like, stalking an animal that's hard to stalk not once, but twice. Like, stalking in with a camera, setting it up, crawling back, stalking back in with my bow. Like, nobody does that. Like, it's so stupid. But because of it, like, I got really good at, like, understanding when that animal is going to move, what kind of things are going to blow my stock, what I might be able to do when I. What I can get away with, too. I think there's a. Like, a. There's a big thing, too. Like, a lot of people that probably are almost too timid in some instances and then not. Not timid enough in others. Like, knowing when to go fast, knowing when to go slow. That all. All plays into it. And I think it's really just being able to kind of learn from your mistakes and really paying a high level of attention to what you're doing.
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Yeah. Cause I mean, even if you have tons of time to spend in the woods, like, everyone's going to luck into it every once in a while, because we've all had hunts where you go out there and it seems like you can't do anything wrong. Like, that animal was going to be there at that time. It seemed like it doesn't matter what decision you've made, but if you want to continually, like, get better at it, like you said, like, actually understanding those little nuances in, like, the difference of, like, how animals move, when they're going to move. And I really wanted to ask you, like, how much, you know, like, the learning curve that you had and, like, how much extra knowledge you gained from Solo hunter, which for anybody listening that didn't watch it. Remy was out there filming himself alone. Like, didn't have a camera guy. So he's. He's being two people at once. And it was. It's not just like, oh, I've got a GoPro on my bow. It was like. Like you said, set up the tripod, crawl back, get your boat, and then sneak back in so you have all of the different shots you need to tell the story. But, yeah, like, you already talked about it. It's like, the amount of extra, like, understanding that you must have gained from having to do everything twice and then do it, make sure you did it right. Like, I would imagine your learning curve was you just flattened out like how much understanding you had in a hurry because you had to. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. So where did. So Solar Hunt, what was before solo hunter, apex predator. Correct.
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No, that was actually like after. In kind of the middle of. Yeah, sure. Yeah. So Solo Hunter was kind of like the first tv. First TV thing that I did. And then, you know, I did like some stuff with other shows, like as a guide.
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Yeah.
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I don't know, I did some real tree monster bowls or something. Is the guy like they just came and hunted with me. I got to take people out. I was like, oh, okay, I see what's going on here. That was always like as a young guy, that was like, that was old school TV days. They did things so different, man. It was like they. It was like pretty much shoot the animal and then film the hunt, you know, And I was like, I. I couldn't handle it. Like, I might pay. I didn't have the patience for that. So. And then we started doing the solo hunter stuff and. And then apex predator kind of came along in the middle of that or in the midst of that and then continue to do the solo hunter stuff. And then that kind of solo stuff just kind of morphed into more social media. YouTube kind of stuff, which I still film. Like half my hunts self film now and then half of them. Sometimes they're self filmed and not solo. Like I might be hunting with my wife and kids now, but. Or my dad or something like that, but still do. Still do a lot of that. But it's all just on YouTube.
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Yeah, for sure. Which is. I mean, obviously as time changes, you just have to evolve with the emerging trends which, you know, like it. Like you said, you know, like, like you said, the difference in like realtree's monster Bowls or Monster Bucks or whatever. And then now that Everybody has a 4K camera in their pocket and if you know how to tell a story, you can like film a legit show with the phone in your pocket. And having to like evolve through that, like, I know it's like for. But for both of us, like being in the industry for a long time, like everyone who used to be just a photographer, like, now you have to be a video editor, producer, like content creator, like across the board. So it's been like, for me, it's been fun to watch from a distance. Like how you've kind of like just followed that different trend line through and kind of. But all at the same time, always done things your own way. And that's one thing I've always liked about your style of stuff. It's just like, you haven't. You haven't been bent by the meta overlords or, you know, every. Like, all the tech companies that are in charge. You've been able to still, like, keep your style of hunting and your style of filming, like, through that whole ribbon of content that's come over. Out. Come out over the last. Whatever, decade or whatever. Fifteen years.
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Yeah. That's like. I think for me, it was just. That's the only way that I knew how to do it. Like, yeah, just do it my way. And if people like it, great. If not, I don't really care. I'm just. I just love hunting, so I'm just gonna keep hunting. Like, whether it's guiding, whether it's filming it, whether it's going out and hunting, I just love to be out there and be hunting. And so anything that it can allow me to do that I'm. I'm all for. But, you know, I. I do it because I love it, not. Not because it's some obligation or something like that. So.
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Right.
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You know, if it was anything that I didn't really enjoy or a way that I didn't enjoy doing it, I wouldn't do it because I thought, you know, like, that's not my motivation. Like, my motivation is purely. I love to hunt.
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Yeah. Which is you. You kind of have to have that. Because if you don't, like, every day, it feels like a job. I mean, there's. There's definitely times where I have, like, I've pushed it. Where, you know, like, there were years where you'd be like, you know, I wasn't in the field for 320 days, you know, but through the course of a single fall, you know, I was sleeping in the tent, you know, 100 days or so. Um, and there was definitely times where I'd be, like, out there. Cause I thought I should be out there and probably should have, like, slept a little bit. And then it starts to feel like work instead of, like, doing what you actually love to do. Um, and so I think there's definitely a balance there. But, yeah, without that, like, intrinsic passion, like, for what you're actually doing, man, it just, like, it would get old. You'd burn out fast.
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Yeah, that's. That's so true. Like, I know a lot of people are like, I love to hunt. And then they're like, I kind of want to be a hunting guide. And then after week one, they're like, I'm out. See ya. Like, I've seen it happen so many times. Like, dude, I like hunting, you know, that many days in a row and like getting up and not sleeping and all that stuff. It just catches up to you. Now that I'm a little bit older, it catches up faster now, I think. But it's still like, don't still love it.
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Yeah, yeah. So when, how many years have you been a guide or when did, when did you get into that?
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I started getting when I was about 18. Right out of high school. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then so through the course time you've, you know, been able to guide people from all walks of life, all areas of the country. Who I'm like, you know, I think I had heard a guy talk, a guide, mule deer guide, talk about how some of his favorite clients were from certain regions in the country because they came from states where like bag limits were high on big game. So like, you know, they'd shoot 30 deer a year or whatever. Did you see a, like a big difference in people who had come from Alabama or Louisiana who had closed like on lots of animals like through their life and people who have, you know, grew up in places or like maybe it was the first elk hunt that they'd been on. That's not a good example. But like people who are like, they saved up a lots of points or lots of time to make this happen. Like, who are the, like over the years on in general, like who are the clients that are like, oh, like this guy's from here, like they're gonna, they're gonna be able to get this done?
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Yeah, that's a good question. To be honest, like, I always preferred the people that had the least amount of experience.
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Sure.
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They're the most willing to like listen and do things right. Because like the majority of the people that like, let's say it's like again, shot, they shoot 30 deer a year and it's like, yeah, they shoot 30 deer a year on a track to behind their house that they've hunted their entire life. That gives you zero experience hunting the mountains for elk in Montana. Right. So it's like, right. It does not correlate. Like, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't mesh up. So like, you know, I say it's like, like it's like be like women or kids that would come hunting or like even like people who like self professed new hunters. They were actually the most successful. They generally got the best animals and they generally made the best shots because they Just like followed protocols. Like, you, like you would tell them to do something and they would listen and do it. You know, like, there'd be guys, you'd be like, they're lying enough to take a shot. You're like, hey, dude, you, you really have to stabilize your rifle or just like they ignore you and boom. Like, why you even shoot, man? Like, okay. And I could take a 12 year old kid and give them that exact same shot. And they make it 10 times out of 10 because they just follow like simple things of like steadying the rifle, you know, it was like, oh my gosh, dude.
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So for anybody listening, be, I think the takeaway here is be coachable. Like if you're going on a guided hunt, like, yeah, just be coachable in these moments. Because people like Remy are doing this day in and day out, like year after year, and they understand how this stuff goes. So don't, you know. Yeah. Don't think you need to do it all on your own. Right.
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But it's also you like, what your experience is in. Because like I, I fish a lot. Like, I love fly fishing. Fly fishing for trout.
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Yeah.
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I recently went down to Louisiana and we did some like offshore and nearshore. I know nothing about reeling in like a hundred pound tuna. You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, just because I fly fished my entire life and I'm like a very versed, I've got like a PhD in fishing, doesn't mean that I have applicable knowledge on that particular set of like how to reel that fish in, you know, where somebody's done that their whole life. Like, you know, dude, I got smoked out like in the beginning and I, if I hadn't, I would have taken any instruction, whatever, you know, I wasn't just being like, no, I know how to fish. I got to whip it and cast it and do like porcement, whatever. Right. Like, it just makes no sense. Like, even for someone, like, I've, I've spent a lot of time fishing, but it's a certain specific way of fishing and doing it. And even within that, there's people that have, you know, there's people that I know that, you know, do it a different way and they've mastered that way. And like, I try to always be teachable within anything that I'm doing. And then there's some things that you do and you're like, the person maybe doesn't really know as you, but it doesn't really matter. Maybe they have something that they can teach you as well. Like it doesn't really matter. Especially if it's something that they do a lot. They probably have some tricks and tips and tactics that you just, you know, probably it would take that amount of time that they've put in to even understand it. But if you can, like, have that knowledge goes back to that, like being more successful, if you can take a certain knowledge base and apply it, what they've learned, you kind of jump the curve a lot or. Or quite a bit.
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Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That. Not to that extent, not the biggest difference, like between fishing, but I love fishing as well. And I was on a photo shoot for Crestliner the earlier in June, and the, you know, we're just taking photos of a fishing boat. And I was, I was the model on this one. So it's a. And I had asked ahead of time, I was like, you know, I grew up walleye fishing. Grew up. You know, I'd catch some bass or whatever. I love fly fishing. And I'd asked ahead of time, I was like, hey, is like, what kind of a shoot is this going to be? Like, do I need to understand bass fishing? Like, do I, like, do I need to learn how to run a bait caster? Do I need to, like, you know, they're like, oh, no, it's just, you know, whatever you're comfortable with. And I just typically use a spinning reel and. Or if I love fly fishing for smallmouth and whatever. But this is, you know, kind of Midwest style photo shoot. And I showed up, had a couple of my own rods, spinning rods, and then they were like, hey, do you mind using this bait caster? And I was like, absolutely not. Like, if you want, like, if you want me to look like I know what I'm doing, even, like, know what I'm doing, let me use a spinning rod. Because if you put me on a bait caster, I'm just gonna rat's nest all day. That's all we're gonna be doing, is digging out fishing lines. So I, you know, like, eventually I will take the time to understand and learn from somebody who actually can do that well. But that this was not that time. So I think just, yeah, just stick, stay in your lane and do the things that you're good at and then be coachable when you're trying to pick up a new skill.
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Yeah, 100% like those I saw. Was it an insurance commercial recently where it's like you retire and spend more time fishing. Got a guy with like a spinning rod, the things backwards, and he's like, treating it Like a fly rod and.
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You'Re like upside down.
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Yeah. You're like, clearly no one on that chute had seen anything about fishing. You know, like knows nothing about fishing.
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I've got a, I'm left handed so I reel like with my right hand on a spinning rod. And I had posted a photo and a buddy of mine was like, oh, you're one of those guys. Do you really upside down too? And so now he, so now he sends me, he had sent me like a Walmart advertisement where the person was, had the rod upside down. And now like every week I get a screenshot from him. Like, is this you? Are these your hands?
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That's great.
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So trying to think of. There's a lot I want to talk about, but let's talk arrows because that's a fairly new venture. Like, like you were working on website stuff right before we got on this call and I think there's a, obviously there's lots of conversation about arrows, but you recently became the owner of Day six. Or is it Day six archery?
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Yep, Day six.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So can you take, take us through that and like how that all came to be and like why, you know, why Day six? I mean there's lots of companies out there, you know, you could have started your own. Like what's the, what was the thought process behind that?
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Yeah, well there's, there's a couple of things, you know, for me, like I'm always big on super high quality gear. Like I like to use the stuff that's the best stuff. And, and I understand that like not everybody, like there's use cases for certain types of gear in, at every level really. But like as much as I'm out there, as much as I see gear work or fail, as much as I have to use it, like I really just like really good gear, especially when you're in it or using it all the time. And so you know, Day six has been one of the companies that I've used for like, you know, started as a customer and, and just kind of like really liked the products that they had. Primarily because when I first started, you know, bow hunting or like not first started but like when I, I guess got pretty good at bow hunting. I would say, like I've been on bow hunting for a long time, but there's kind of like a point where I was like, I was bowling bow hunt. Like bow hunting is one of those things where you can struggle for a really long time and then it almost clicks and you're like, dude, this Is great, right? And, and, and I, I, I would get a lot of arrows for the season because I just, I hated having to like, get new stuff in season. So I'd get a bunch of arrows and it. This is like, you know, you know, a while ago, but, you know, and so I'd get a bunch of arrows like whatever other brands. And out of those, like, I would, I was so particular with my gear that, like, I would, I would shoot a dozen arrows. And out of those dozen arrows, because I get them like pre fletched often, you know, I probably. You're like, I probably should have flushed them myself or whatever so I don't have to deal with this. But there's more of a timing issue, right? Because like, yeah, you're guiding, you're in between the stuff. I just got to get all my together and get going. And so, you know, out of those dozen arrows, I would have like four of them that would fly the same because, yep, there would be like a spine on the arrow that if it's like people, this might be too much information. But like, the way that the arrows are made, often when they're like rolled, there's like a way that it, it flexes kind of different depending on where it's at on that kind of axis. And so out of the dozen, like, I'd get a few that would work good and then some that wouldn't fly as good. I number all of them, name all of them. Put some in a garbage can that was like, okay. And then I kind of weave through and change some of the setup or, or knock tune them. And then reflection, whatever. It was a pain in the ass. And it was like, out of a dozen, you know, I buy four dozen arrows and get a dozen to hunt with. And so I was like, this sucks. And then one of my buddies I think it was might have been like, Ryan, Barney or someone. Someone that I was like, someone else that's very dialed was like actually Tim Burnett also, which now he owns a bow shop and everything. It's like, perfect for him.
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Yeah, makes sense.
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He's like, you should try these. I'm shooting these. I'm like, all right, cool. I got some of those. And I did my standard, like, bang. Dude, all 12 of these fight good. What the hell did I get? Like, luck out. I didn't realize that they're made in a way where they don't have that spine. And so that right off the bat was like, wow, that's a better product. And then, you know, the, like the outset insert Thing was just everything was precise, everything fits really well. They could, you know, I would, I would order them like custom arrows from them. They like build, build them exactly what I wanted with the fletching, with the color, with whatever, send them to me, cut. So I could just go out and hunt and they're all perfect. I'm like, dude, this, this is a great, this is a great thing. I was like if I ever had a business, this would be the business, you know. And so it started out like that as like a kind of a, a really pumped customer and then, and with a high quality product. And for me, you know, you're doing all this other stuff that I do. The, the filming, the media, hunting, outfitting, all this other stuff. You know. I think part of it was kind of wanting to be involved in, in a product, in manufacturing. I like that I'm sure you get to do this as well or whatever, but I like that behind the scenes of like product testing a lot of people think that like kind of one of my main jobs is like doing a lot of product development with companies because I get to use stuff so much. So I have a ton of input on oh, how we can make this better or whatever. And I just love that aspect of like gear and good gear. So for me it was like I'd like to kind of, you know, do that with a company whether we start from the ground up or find a company that's already doing something and maybe you know, take that on. And I liked just like the opportunity was there to, to purchase day six and, and do it with that. And I think that that was like, you know, I was pretty excited about it because like someone asked me if you could buy a company, what would it be? It was that company. So it worked out. You know, I don't know if I manifested or what, but I've been talking about it for a long time and, and yeah, I'm really excited because it for me too, it's like part of the idea behind it is it's kind of a next. I kind of say it as like a next chapter for me only because I now you know, like I'm not that 24, 25 year old guy that has no people that rely on him and can go 323 days a year. I have two kids, I have a wife and I'm still gone like, like a lot. So I kind of need is like I need to find something where I can still do my passion of hunting or I can mix in the gear and the other Stuff and still, you know, probably maybe just be at home more or, you know, have more time later on down the road. May not right now, like, right now I look like, I look like I've aged 10 years in the last two weeks, but. Because I haven't slept for a while. But dude, I. If you think you don't sleep much hunting, like, it's like, oh gosh, right now it's been busy, but you know, just all the, all the new stuff and all the things going on. But I think for me it was just kind of like looking at what I want to be doing down the road too. And I think everything kind of lined up for the timing of my life and all that other stuff. And so we're really excited about it.
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Yeah, well, that's super cool. I mean, I'm obviously excited to shoot the arrows this year. One of your guys reached out and was like, hey, like, this is all happening. We'd love to get some in your hands and test them. And actually like, when I get home this week, I'm cutting all those and getting them dialed. I've got a couple different bows to shoot this fall, so I, I'm, I'm pumped to, to run the product. And so, yeah, I mean, everything that I can tell from like opening the box and take, you know, looking at all of the different components or whatever, I was like, yep, these are going to work just fine. Like, this is, this is going to fly just fine.
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Yeah. The other thing too that kind of like initially drew me to them was they had options of full carbon arrows that were heavier setups, you know, for your elk and stuff, which I liked, you know. And then the broadheads too, is another big component of the company which, you know, they, we make some of, in my opinion, some of the best broadheads. Like I've, I use everything, I've used everything. I'm. Broadheads are one of the things that I continually test just to be like there's gotta be. And I just keep going back to the day. Six Evos is like, they fly great. It's a fixed blade, they do the job, they're quiet and flight. Like everything about them is designed for penetration and, and hunting. And it's like, all right, cool. I've got a setup that I, that I rely on that works really good for me. And then you go into the, the season with that extra confidence. Like anytime you can just get a little, just a little salt of confidence, you know, the old salt based style, just drop it from the top, you go into that hunt with, like, a little bit of more confidence in your gear, and you just. You kind of. You give yourself a little bit of an edge, too.
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A
For sure. Yeah. I mean, just being able to shift that mindset a little bit ahead of the hunt and knowing, like, at the very least, like, whether I break down completely, physically, mentally at least, my gear setup is completely, like, ready to rock.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And just that alone might be enough to keep you in the game. Just, like, knowing that that setup is going. Because I've. I've been on hunts with people where something small happens with their gear, and that's, like, enough of a trigger to be like, they're done. Like, they go home early or whatever. They're like, ah, my bow's just not shooting right. Like, you know, next thing, they're freaking out and just, you know, shift. Changing arrows and moving everything around. It's like, dude, just calm down. Just, like, if you would have just spent just a little more time on this, like, getting ready for this whole thing, we wouldn't be, you know, back at the truck right now dealing with this. Oh, yeah, Chasing deer.
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B
I. I've had the, like, seen it happen, like, guiding you to see everything. And I had some archery hunters, and they were like, you know, everybody's a little tired after travel and whatever. And so they're, like, shooting the bow, and the guy's, like, shooting his bow, and it's. It's like, hitting not where it should.
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A
Sure.
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B
And I'm. And he's like, I gotta change the site and all this stuff. And I'm like. I'm looking at it. I'm like, you know, he's, like, moving stuff, and I'm like, hey, wait, Mark, where everything's at. Don't go crazy. Like, yeah, sometimes just you're a little anxious or whatever, you know, like, let's just shoot a few. And it was, like, consistently. I think it was consistently high and flat or what? It was, like, pretty consistent. And I. I look at his setup, and I'm like, hey, I. I'm not. I'm not gonna. I don't know. But do you always shoot your bow without a stabilizer? And he's like. Think he's like, no, I always have a stabilizer. Like, there's no stabilizer on your bow. Oh. And he screws the stabilizer on, and it's like, right where he should be. You know what I mean? Like, so whatever. It was like, his bow's lighter. You know, it's like, wobbling. He feels all whatever. And it's just he forgot to screw his stabilizer on. Instead of, like going and moving his rest and doing all kinds of stuff, he's like, trying to figure out. He's like, something moved. The. The damn airlines must have messed it up getting the wrenches out. About ready to dive in this thing. I'm like, dude, before a hunt, that can just screw your confidence when an elk comes in, you're like, man, I don't even know. I've been messing with my sights and all this stuff. And, you know, the. The. The problem was just he forgot to screw a stabilizer on and it started shooting fine. And it's probably. Half of it was probably mental too. You know, you're like, all right.
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A
Yeah. I mean, it's amazing how quickly that six inches between your ears can just throw the whole thing off. Just derailment from the get go. Yeah. So now that you have like a. Now that you have two kids, wife, like, you know, whole family, obviously they're involved in the outdoors, you know, as much as the kids can be. And I know your wife hunts and you guys have done bunch of cool adventures together, but how. How do you go about balancing that, like, with the motivation to be on a lot of these cool hunts and be gone and doing this stuff that you love. But then, like, you said, like, you want to be home. Like, how do you. How do you find that balance in there?
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B
Yeah, I mean, it is hard. One of the things that, like, for me, I try to prioritize is like, my time when I'm with My family is 100% with my family. And it sounds like I just know that there's a lot of people, like, you know, I might be gone a lot or I have to do these things, like these big obligations and other stuff. And I think this. A lot of people could probably relate to this. But, like, when I am home, when I'm around my kids, when I'm whatever, I'm not on my phone, I'm not watching tv, I'm not, you know, you know, it's like I don't really, you know, like, I don't really do a lot of things that maybe other people do, but I feel like I also get more quality time than a lot of people that are there all the time. And, you know, and so, like, maybe that's just my way of justifying it, but I. I see it a lot, you know, and. And people, like, people that I know sometimes ask like, oh, how do you, like, okay, I try to get away for a week of hunting And I'm like, and you know, my wife is like hard when I'm gone. I'm like, I know it, it is hard when you're gone for the other person. It's hard to be gone a lot of times. But also when you're there, be there, like jump in, be helpful, like be 100, present when you can. Because it's like, it changes, it changes the whole dynamic, you know. And I think that that's like, that's just my personal way that I do things, you know. But I also know that there's like, I know a lot of people like you know, or have seen people or whatever that maybe physically they're around, like they're there, what have you, but they aren't, they aren't there. And so my thing is like, you know, I give up a lot of like comfort things, you know, in maybe or whatever. You know, there's always things you're like, ah, feel like I don't do anything for myself or whatever. But I was like, I know I do. That is what I'm doing. I'm, I'm being present with my family while I'm there. And, and that's important.
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A
Yeah, I would say you're not giving up comfort things, you're just giving up distractions.
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B
Yeah, that's exactly, yeah, I think that that's what it is. Like, like, yeah, exactly. There's like some stuff that's like okay, you know, or whatever it is, maybe whatever you got to do but you know, you could set aside time for certain things. But I think like so many people just get into like the mindless scrolling or the whatever, the you know, this, that and the other thing and like look man, I, I make hunting content like people, you know, we make it for people to see and enjoy but not an expensive spending time with your family or whatever, you know, like, and, and even like with my kids it's like if I, if they want to like something that's whatever hunting related or it was like my daughter loves watching hunt. He's like, hey, let's do it as a family. Let's watch him. You want to watch this? Why don't you pick it? You know. Okay, cool. Let's watch some milk dad. Like that's cool. You know, you can still do those things but just be present with, with your kids and your family while you're doing it for sure.
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A
Yeah. Just being there in it with them. I've, I, you know, just recently became a dad for the first time. Got a 11 month old daughter and so I've just been like. Like last year. So she was born in August, end of August last year. So right before hunting season. And I was. I was worried about it because I knew that with how my brain works, I was going to try to push it too hard. I was going to try to be gone more than I should be, you know, and I should be home and be present and be there for both my new daughter and wife and just be there to help. But I knew in my head, this is how my brain is wired, that I was probably going to try to, like, live on that edge a little bit and, you know, try to do some. Do a couple bigger trips or whatever, and. And, well, the universe was like, no, you're not. You're going to go ahead and, like, blow up your leg. And so I ruptured my Achilles in June. And of all of the times for that to happen, it was the greatest blessing, like, at the same time as being the worst thing that's happened to me, like, in, like, the. One of the worst things that's happened to me in my life because it's like, a year of recovery. But it forced me to, like, be like, oh, you're just home this fall. And, like, that's the gonna be. The greatest gift is because you get to be home, you get to be present, you get to, like, spend that time when, you know, most other years, like, I wouldn't have, you know, been like, all right, you know, I'm home for the first month or whatever, but then I've got to go out and I've got to, like, go on these trips to make the content that, you know, to deliver to the brands that pays the bills to do, you know, do the thing. So it was a. It was a good thanks to the universe for just being like, yeah, you're gonna slow down a little bit, like, and think about what you're up to.
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B
Yeah, that's what I. I was like, I had something similar where I damaged my wrist. But then, you know, me being me, I'm like, I'm gonna learn to shoot my mouth, my. My bow with my mouth. Like.
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A
Well, I did still kill a deer last year, but I just wore my walking boot in the woods and climbed.
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B
Yeah.
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A
In my walking boot. So I made it. I made it happen. But it definitely, like, for that, you know, a first couple months of, like, the recovery and whatever. Yeah, it's hard. I was just home. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
Recovery is hard, too. Like, I mean a lot to it, and it's hard for a Lot of people, it's like you want to push it, but you just can't because creates long term problems and effects that don't want to have to deal with forever.
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A
Yeah. Well, I texted you right after it happened because you had just been on Rogan. You guys were talking about doing stem cells and BPC157 and all of the different things to like, help, like, tendons are tough because of the blood flow. Yep. And. And so when you go into like, like every PT and everybody's like, yeah, this is going to be a year and, and even like my cousin who's a sports pt, like at University of Kansas in, you know, down in Kansas, and he's amazing. He, you know, started all these different programs to help athletes and whatever. I called him right away and he's like, dude, I'm sorry to tell you, but he's like, most people won't be honest with you, like, this is going to take forever and it's going to suck. And so just focus on small wins. But it was. I remember texting you right after because you were talking about your wrist and how much better it was by doing a couple things. And I immediately like ordered up BPC 157 and was doing that. I never ended up doing stem cells or making it way down to Austin to go to waste. Well, or anything. But just taking all of those different steps to like start that healing process definitely helped.
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B
Yeah, that's a. It's. It can be. For me, it was a pretty long process and it was like, you know, I. It was actually probably more damage. The surgery caused more damage, I think, than the surgery itself. Like, I. I had to have re surgery and stuff. So it was like a lot of stuff went wrong. You know, stuff's like gonna be permanently messed up. But, you know, aside from that, like. And I think, you know, it's like I was just a lot of pain and some of that stuff like that I found out later. I tried everything and that stem cell stuff was like the, the only thing that for me worked later I wouldn't have like, I still would have had to have the surgery. It wasn't like kind of repair the tendons, but it was like. I think all the swelling and inflammation was nerves and stuff like that causing like a lot of pain for, you know, essentially hereafter pretty much went away. Like, it's, you know, it's been pretty good. So recovery's been pretty solid, which is good.
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A
So did you end up hunting an entire season with the mouth tab yeah, about.
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B
I think, like, a. At least a full year and maybe a year and a half.
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A
Yeah.
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B
How.
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A
Like, what was the learning curve on that? Like, trying to pick up, like, what was the hardest part about figuring that out?
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B
Letting down, like, you know, like, you're without a knock. Well, like, you. All the force you push out, but when you let down, like, you have a knock and a bow coming back at your face and lips, you know, and, like, I mean, if you've ever, like. I mean, I've done it before where you pull a target, like a knock an arrow out and it sticks in your leg, and you're like, dude, that's going right for my nose, my face, my lips, like, my. What? Teeth. Lighting down's tough, you know, but, like, okay, it's like. It's almost like a crossbow, like, or whatever. I don't know. Or a muzzleloader. Like, it. Only to unload it, you got to fire it. But no, it was like that. It wasn't too, you know, like, honestly, I. I picked it up pretty quick, I think, like, yeah, if you. I think what also helped is, like, it was the same. It was my right hand, so as my draw arm, so my, like, holding arm was the same. And, you know, I think it probably. I probably would have done fine the other way as well. Like, I'm. I'm pretty good at cross dominance, whatever, so. Which I'm fortunate with that. So it wasn't like, I. I picked up the shooting pretty quick, the hunting part of it, like, there was just stuff that I had to learn on the fly, and it was kind of like learning hunting over again. It was just like another way of hunting. Like, for me, it was more like you had to get within proximity that you would with a. A recurve or traditional bow, which I like to do. But I'm like, okay, now I've got a compound bow, and I kind of got to get within that recurve range. And then, like, the other thing that I learned was, like, how important grip and form and, like, everything is, because with the mouth tab, it just was multiplied. So, like, if I started my draw with a grip a little off, that arrow was not. Whereas, like, if you draw back with your hand, you know, you might be an inch or two off. This would be like 6 to 8 to 10 inches off. And then body torque would be like, you know, a whole, like, two deer. Like, soft. Like, I did one the first time I shot it in axis because I went to Hawaii first hunt, and, like, these deer came out. I'M at full draw. I'm sitting, kneeling. They were going to come out to my left. They come out to my right. So I'm like, move. But the amount of body torque that, like, I torque that I put on that bow, when I let go, the bow, like, flipped. Just, like, loose grip. The bow flipped around. It was, like, facing me after the shot, you know, it's like almost what it jumped out of. And that went so wide, like, I thought it almost accidentally hit the deer, like, over to the left of it. I was like, oh, that was bad. But, you know, I. I think because of that, I actually, after the fact, I think I became a better bow hunter overall because I just kind of learned, you know, just kind of went back to the basics in a way and, like, just. Just really started to pay even more attention. Anytime you do something harder, you kind of gain. You never really gain skill by doing easy things. Like, you gotta. You gotta kind of like, push yourself, and then you grow. And then you grow, and you kind of. You fail at that level, but you kind of keep continually stepping up. So that's kind of what I've tried to do my whole life is like, do the harder way or.
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A
Or.
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B
Or, you know, kind of learn through that. Doing hard stuff. It's always worked for me. So that was just one more way of like, hey, you haven't learned it all yet, dude. Here you go.
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A
Yeah, I mean, I would imagine it's a lot. I mean, this is a. Just a simple analogy, but, like, when I'm shooting my bow, I really like shooting longer distances. Like, not at animals, but I love practicing at 60, 80, 100 yards because it amplifies what you're doing wrong. And so you have to, like, you have to focus so hard on all of the little details. And so that way, when you bring it back in, you have a shot at 20. It's. It's a chip shot. And this is the same thing with everything else that you're doing is like, okay, we're gonna, you know, take this to 11 and make this as hard as possible and do it in this way. And, like, so when you go back to, like, what's, quote, unquote, the normal way or the easy way, like, everything feels just. It's just secondhand instead of. Or, you know, like, it's just very simple in. In comparison. Like, if you're only shooting at 20 yards in your backyard, like, if that's what you're, you know, working on, then you go on a hunt. Well, you have to shoot a deer at 40 yards or whatever it is, like, you're gonna not be confident in that. So just like you said, go. Doing it the hard way is gonna make everything else feel easier.
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B
Yeah, that's what I, I kind of. I like to do some. The similar thing where I feel like, let's say last night I took my last two shots before packing my bow away is like, I think it was 85 or 90 yards, you know, and it was like, two perfect shot, and it felt great. But then I'm like, okay, now I'm gonna go up to 40 yards. And 40 yards looks way closer, and, like, everything just seems more clear. But when you start at 40, like, that seems like a far. You know, it's like that gauge in distance. And so you're like, hey, you practice out here. When you have that close shot, everything just seems closer and more detailed. Like, you, it gives you, like, that more perspective, I feel.
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A
Yeah, for sure. You know, after, like, you always talked about, like, how much you've shot your bow, like, just through the years, like, learning, like, you know, shooting, understanding the arc of the arrow, like, when it comes to, like, shooting over, like, sage brush or, you know, shooting through stuff. And I, I, you know, I was like, oh, man. Guy shoots his bow a lot. You know, I felt like I shoot my. At the time, I was shooting my bow a lot more. But, um, when we were in Hawaii, I watched you shoot a mouflon sheep, and I'm pretty sure you did an S curve through the woods, shot this thing at whatever distance it was. But, like, I looked at this shot that was about to happen. I was like, oh, this is. That arrow's in a tree for sure. And then you just aced it. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna pay a lot of attention to Remy anytime he's talking about archery stuff. So why don't. Like, I'd love you to go through, like, your. Obviously, you have a lot going on, but, like, when you're getting ready for a season, like, what's your kind of, like, buildup through the season? What different, like, drills and stuff are you doing? Like, to make sure that you're, like, completely dialed going into the fall?
- [45:41]
B
Yeah, I mean, my archery practice is mostly like, I shoot a bow to hunt, and that's like, I tell people that I'm not afraid to admit it. Like, if you're taking me out on target range just to shoot targets, like, it's cool, but it's not my thing. Like, I, I, I, I yearly shoot a bow to to hunt. And so if I, if that's the case, then I practice to hunt. And so like when I'm shooting, like I will go shoot, you know, groups and make sure everything's dialed and that kind of, you know. And sometimes I'll, you know, put the pressure on to try to shoot those real tight groups because it creates like a simulated pressure. But for the most part it's more like scenario based shots where I'm like, last night, so I went out, I've got, I, I'm fortunate that I've got like a little 3D range in my backyard and I've got some like, terrain. So I can practice like downhill shots pretty good. I can practice hard shots, like side hill shots. But like a side hill shot's pretty hard because the way that gravity is pulling the bow in your body and everything is a little, little bit weird. And then you put your body in a position where it's kind of like against the mountain and then you squat and then you draw. Like those are the actual shots that you take, you know, because like you're, you're. Let's say you've got a hill in between. So like on this particular shot practicing last night, I have a target down in the bottom. It's like a downhill side angle. It's got all the. And then I draw where I can't see the target and I raise up where I can see the target. Now if it's a real hunting scenario, you're never going to fully stand. There's something in your head that says, I'm going to be skylined. This animal is going to see me. I need to shoot him just as I can see over the rise. When you do, if the first time you do that is out in the field, you're absolutely gonna miss that shot. And I know because I've missed that shot countless times. And I'm like, dude, why do I always miss it? I'm like, I, I shoot all the time. And I was like, yeah, because I, I don't shoot in a half squat. Like you're so like everything's off. Like you're, you're trying to stabilize. You got the hill, you got the angle, you got the animal, you got the whole thing. And it's a thing. So I try to like do those kind of shots or I'll, I'll do a lot of shots where I've got obstructions above and obstructions below. Like for the angle, like you said, for the arc of the arrow. Like when I, when I, when I Drew back on that. I remember like that move on shot because it was like I knew for a fact I wasn't going to hit a tree. I think Ben or something's like, there's so much trees. I was like, I got it. Like, dude, we're good. And shot. Because I was like, on that one I had a multi. I think I had a, I think I had a multi pin site on that one. Um, and I used the pins on that to, to gauge through the, like, you know, at the yardage I had ranged the trees that we were shooting through and I arranged the animal and then I drew back, I put the pin for the animal was sick. I think that cheap is 60 and the trees are 30. And so I put my 60 yard pin exactly where it needed to go. And then I, the 30 yard pin was on limb of the trees like 30 yards. And then I just continually moved my body to where the 60 pin lined up and the 30 yard pin was clear and shot and it was like perfect through the stuff. That's the benefit to the multi pin sight. Now I shoot like just a two pin slider. So if I'm shooting in cover often, I'll, I'll set my bottom pin for the animal so I can use that top pin as a gauge. But I also shoot a lot and practice it so much that within the sight housing, like I have a pretty good mental picture of where that arrow is flying at different distances.
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A
Sure.
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B
So for me, like when I did this with my wife last year, I was like, you need to understand, like you set your pin at one thing and you shoot at all these different distances, you know, how high on the target or how low that's hitting and where it's hitting at those distances. She had a shot on an elk that was like, it was just under 50 yards and she was set for like 30 yards with a single pin. I'm like, okay, well we know exactly where to aim because you've done this right 100 times. You did it right before we left, you know, so yeah, like those, those kind of practicing drills. It's like I run more drills bow hunting than like practice shooting.
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A
Yeah. And that goes back to this, that like being confident when you're going out into the field, like is such a game changer. Like just taking the actual shots that you're going to take in the field makes all the difference. Rather than like, well, I know I can group really well at 20, 40, 60 and 80. Like, you know, like it's amazing how fast your mind messes with you when you're like, well, that. Let's say you're shooting at a target. Let's say the target's at 60, but there's a hill in between. Be like, I know that arrow is going to arc over that, and all I can see is the top of the back of, you know, the deer target or whatever. But, like, your brain just doesn't want to compute unless you've done the repetitions on that. So just having that practice in this makes all the difference.
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B
Yeah. You don't want to, like, bury your pin in the hill because you're like, a lot of people take that shot where you just can see over and like, that's lethal because it gives you more, you know, stealth, I would say. But it's like, they put it. What ends up happening is they put it kind of on the top of the back, the animal jumps a little bit and shoot over it. It happens all the time. But it's like, if you have the confidence to bury that pin in the hill where. Where it needs to be, and you know that it's going to clear that hill, you're going to make that shot. I always think, like, I don't want the first time that I'm shooting in an animal to be the first time that I'm encountering that shot. I want to have encountered that shot a hundred times in practice because then it's like, I have the confidence. And they're like, yeah, okay, that's gonna work.
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A
Yeah. Yep. So let's talk about the. The. You have the. The Live Wild podcast, which I was actually today I was just like, I was listening to the one with. Is it Dustin? Is it Doofendorfer?
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B
Ethan? Derfer?
- [51:24]
A
Diefen Derfer. I was listening to Mountain Tough Fitness, and I was just listening to that and talking about, like, mental toughness stuff. But like the podcast in general, like, what's. Like, it's been fun to listen to, but like, just for everybody listening, kind of like, what's the goal with the podcast and what have you been like, got a lot of episodes out there now. So, like, you know, everything ranging on all topics.
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B
Yeah, I would say, like, it's primarily.
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A
Well, it is.
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B
It's a tips and tack hunting, tips and tactics, primarily Western big game hunting. But I mean, it's kind of international in a way. You know, I throw in some stories. Often you learn from the stories and then. And just a little bit of entertainment, but. And then kind of go into the tips and tactics generally. Just me talking through the tips and tactics and stories. Every once in a while I have a guest based on, like, a specific topic, like an expert. And then that's kind of also focused on, you know, kind of the goal. Like, the entire goal of the podcast is just kind of take, like, the time and knowledge that I've gained over the years and be able to condense it into something that somebody that might only have a week done or a weekend hunt can learn from stuff that I've kind of got picked up over the years. So, yeah, I, I, I feel like, you know, it's awesome. I, I like doing it because you just get a ton of feedback from people. Like, man, I tried this tip, or I never would have thought of that, or this made me better in a way, you know. Oh, man. The way that you, you know, like, this kind of stuff we're talking about practicing with your bow. Like, I never really thought about that. Like, I have ways that you can practice with your boat in your backyard that will benefit you more from hunting than just trying to shoot tight groups, you know, and it's like, that kind of thing goes a long way into success in the field, and that's kind of the whole goal of the, the wow podcast.
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A
Yeah. No, that's awesome. Do you have any projects coming up this year that you're super fired up about? Like, any, did you, like, have any, like, huge tags that you're doing film projects on or YouTube stuff on?
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B
Yeah, I'm excited. I, I've got a caribou hunt this year that I'm really pumped on. And then my wife drew a mountain goat tag, so that's going to be pretty awesome. Like, I'm excited about that. That's. That's a tag. Like, it's funny because when I, I started putting her in maybe 13 years ago for that, I'm put you in for go. When I first did it, I was like, I, I was like, I have this weird feeling you're going to draw a goat tag before me, because I may never draw it. But I was like, hey, if she's in and I'm in, then at least I might get a go once in my life, you know? Or for a Nevada mountain goat. Sure. And so I've actually, I've drawn a tag and hunted them in can or Alaska, but so I'm like, that'll be cool. Like, it's going to be a sweet, sweet hunt. I think I'll just, like, whenever I take her, she doesn't really like. I, I've made a lot of videos with her in him. But she hates me on camera. Like, she, Like, I. But it's fun. Like, I. And most of 99% of the time, I always just film it with my phone. So I'll probably do that with this hunt. But it'll be. It's fun to have though, because, like, after the fact, she's like, oh, that was cool. I'm glad we. We filmed that or whatever. And I just. I liked it if I'm there. Anyways, it's fun to explain it, but I'm excited about that hunt. And then, yeah, I've got a couple, you know, just like some general el tags and stuff that are always fun, so.
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A
Looking forward to that.
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B
I actually drew. I. I drew some good tag. I'm not even going to say what tags I drew, but I'm going to read. It's. It's a place where I can return the tag and get my points back. And I'm going to do it because I want to spend time on my wife's hunt. So, yeah, I was like, I might not ever draw that tag. It was a really good elk tag. It's probably one of the best elk tags in the country. But I'm like, I'm going to return it because I just, I. I need time for it. I need a lot of time, like, to feel like I did it justice. And I'm like, I just. I'm gonna turn it back and focus on her hunt this year. So.
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A
Yeah, I totally understand that. I mean, sometimes you just gotta, like, it sucks to want to turn that back in, but I. I totally understand that. I've been building points in Montana to try. Try and draw a certain tag. And when I draw it, whenever that happens, it's, you know, it takes a while as a non resident, but when that happens, like, I, I would. I want to go spend like a month out there so I can soak up the entire experience. And if that means, like, buying a camper and bringing my family with me so they can, you know, camp out for a couple weeks of the experience, like, I would love to do that, but I don't want to. Like, whenever that actually happens, I don't want to rush it. Like, I wanna. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. That's the thing is, like, sometimes there's some hunts where, you know, you might only have a week to do it, and that's great. But there's another. Other hunts for me where it's like, you know, I'd rather maybe even do it later in life when my kids are a little Bit older. Because I'm like, yeah, I want to. I don't care if I build a tag. I mean, like, sounds weird, but I'm like, it's. If there's, if I'm hunting an area where I have like an actual legitimate chance at a bull that I'll never get a chance at my entire, like, that might be my only chance to. Probably won't. I mean, I don't know. Might be my only chance at a 400 inch bowl. Yeah, I could probably, like, maybe it would work out in a week, but I want to actually, I would rather like go, go and hunt it and put in the time and just have that whole experience and go for broke. And if I don't get one, hey, whatever. I gave it my best. And if I do get one, great. I put in the time. Maybe I get on day one, maybe I get on day 20. I don't know. But I just, I really would rather have the experience of having that time and really like, you know, because you aren't going to get to do it again, so.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing about the once in a lifetime, like, tags or like very like the super rare stuff, like just being able to not rush it. And I've learned for some people that have done like big film projects that I've been part of or whatever. And you know, it's, let's say it's a sheep tag or whatever, it's like they have the entirety of the season to hunt this sheep in Montana. And it's like the part of the goal of the hunt is. Yeah, would love to fill the tag. Like, that's part of the goal. But the other part of it is like, I'll probably never get to come back here where I'm the one with the tag in my pocket. And so to be able to like really be present and intentional about like every single day that you're like being able to spend out there like that, that'll make or break the entire experience. I think it's just better when you can go into it. Like, I don't like, I'm spending 30 days here. I don't care. I only get to do this once.
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B
Yeah, I, I, Last year I actually drew a once in a lifetime moose tag and Shyrus moose. And it was like, it was an area that I've thought about hunting mooses.
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A
Since I was a kid.
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B
Kid.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it was kind of the same thing. I was like, okay. I kind of cleared the schedule and was like, all right. I'M gonna do this. And. And I had a good bull come in the. I wasn't even planning on because I had somebody coming to film, like, the week later, but I went out to, like, scout and hunt, so whatever. Like, I was, like, the first morning, like, a good bull came in, and I'm like, I just don't know if I can shoot this. Like, I'm like, yeah, it was awesome. But I was like, I want this to happen 10 more times. Like, if it's over now, this is it. And then I ended up hunting, like, 15 more days for that same moose. Ended up killing probably a little bit better moose than him, but, like, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. Like, it was. It was awesome. And I got time with my. My brother came out for a few days. A friend that we grew up with came out for a few days. I was by myself for five or seven days. I had somebody come out and film that was like, just me. And it. Like, it was cool to just have. I got the full experience. Like, I. I did the whole thing. You know, I got to put in a good two weeks of hunting or whatever it was. And, yeah, it was. It was awesome.
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A
Like, yeah, it did. I got the right way to do it.
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B
Yeah. I was like, I got the hunt that I wanted out of it, and I could have maybe killed a bigger bull in another unit or whatever, you know, I don't know. But, like, I got the hunt that I wanted. It was for me. Nobody else is. Nobody else has eaten that meat. Well, I mean, other people have been eating the meat, but. So good, actually. But, you know, like, those. Those antlers mean pretty much nothing to anyone else. Like, it's. It's all.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So, like, what do I. When I look at it, what do I remember? I remember that awesome once in a lifetime experience, and I made it a once in a lifetime experience. And I met some really cool people along the way. Like, you know, I was like, finding this. Found this bull on, and it was just like, these moose kept coming out in this private piece and ran into one of the ranchers. And, like, the dude was just an incredible human. You know what I mean? Just, like, meet people. And it was just like an absolutely awesome, awesome trip.
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A
So, yeah, it happens. And if you. And if you fill that tag the first morning on a good bowl, you don't get to have any of those other experiences. And I. You know, I think when you. When you're, like, you or me, and you kind of track the years by, like, season opening and season closing, like, you realize how fast time is really going and how you really only get so many seasons here on earth. And so, like, just. I don't know, again, just spending the time doing it the way you want to do it, I think is. Is the right way to do it. So you're not just like, rushing, rushing into it. Rushing, you know, trying to do this and like, having the only goal being to notch the tag.
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B
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, I think, like, building a tag is. Is one thing, and it's probably the easiest thing on the hunt. And some. Sometimes. Sometimes it's hard, but, you know, like, you can either fill the tag or you can kind of fulfill the hunt how it should be done. And I'd rather just have that good hunt, honest. Like, that's why I'm out there. I love hunting. I mean, the harvesting animal is part of the hunt, but it's not the reason that I'm out there. I'm out there to hunt. Kind of taking the whole. The whole thing.
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A
Yeah, I've. Well, we're gonna wrap it up here pretty quick because we. I don't, you know, I. I know how much you've got going on, but I've been. I think I have a sickness. So I've spent a lot of time whitetail hunting these last few years. Like, typically, you know, the kind of like, range west and hunt antelope and hunt elk and hunt mule deer and then kind of like do the November whitetail thing. But just based on where I'm living now and proximity to whitetail, there's a couple years now that I've spent, you know, like 60 plus days in a. In a tree or hunting from the ground or whatever. But just like, in pursuit of one thing. Every time I start to feel like I'm getting burnt out, I force myself that every time I'm in the tree or in a ground blind or, you know, sneaking through something or whatever, I force myself to, like, try to pick out. I call it a 50 things in the morning where it's like, oh, that's really cool. And like, start to, like, kind of pretend like I'm a kid again, where, like, you notice every little thing. And man, that has made the biggest difference when it comes to, like, looking back on the memories, like, of that particular hunt.
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B
Yeah, that's a great way to do it because then you remember things like, hey, it was. Is part of that hunt, but maybe no deer showed up that day, but you had some things that you paid attention to. And that just goes back to the thing we were talking about at the beginning. Paying a certain level of attention to your surroundings, it makes you a better hunter and it makes you like you become more immersed into the entire experience.
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A
Absolutely. Well, tell everybody where they can find you and follow along and then we'll, we'll get, get you out of here.
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B
Yeah, yeah, you can find me Instagram or whatever, YouTube, whatever @ Remy Warren got a YouTube channel, Instagram, social media, Live, Wild podcast, pretty much everywhere. Podcasts are available and if you are interested in arrows and broadheads, I'll sling them.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
Www.day6gear.com or you can find, you know, we've also got day six, E, A Y S I X, Instagram, YouTube, all that good stuff.
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A
Perfect. Well, I can't thank you enough for being on and hopping on Legends of the Wild and at one of these times we're going to cross paths again. So we'll, we'll be in the woods together before too long for sure, man.
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B
Looking forward to it.
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A
Sounds good.
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B
Thanks. Catch you later. Mama Papa.
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A
This is one of the most spectacular venues with all kinds of character and hospitality scenery. These people in this kitty task valley, they love when you come to see what they have to offer.
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B
I'm J.J. harris, an Ellensburg rodeo clown and I want to invite you to the rodeo. Come hang out with with us in Ellensburg. Great rodeo. Great time. Two performances on Saturday. One is the extreme bulls of the year event. Do not miss the Ellensburg Rodeo August.
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A
29Th through September 1st.
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B
We'll see you there.