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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is, let's be honest with Kristin Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality tv, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Cause I got all the power. Yep. Hello. How is everyone on this fine Tuesday? I just want everyone to know I had every intention of putting jeans on, and then I just couldn't. Couldn't do it. Couldn't bring myself to put on jeans. I live in sweats at my house, and I just. I can't do it. But I did have jeans picked out, and then I thought, no, you know what? I don't care. I don't care. I am knee deep in getting ready for my tour. But by the time you guys hear this, I will be on tour. And that's why I'm actually recording this one just a little bit early so that I can still have a new episode while I'm on the road. And today is one that is inspired by the new reality show, this new docu series that I'm doing. I have said 5,000 times that I would never go back to reality TV, and I still stand by that because this docu series that I'm doing is just following me on the road for the podcast tour. That's very different than me doing a reality show about my life. It's not like I have to create drama or, you know, go on dates on the show or anything like that. So this is very different. So I still stand by everything that I have said. But because I am doing this new show, I thought it would be really fun to go back and talk about some of the most memorable reality TV moments that I've had. This is from Google. This is not me just pulling them out of my ass. Although I probably could have picked most of these. I got these from Google, and I'm excited to go through these with you because I don't think I've done anything like this before. So I think there's 10 in here total, and they're from mostly Laguna beach in the Hills. I don't think there's any from Berry Cavalieri, and I didn't. Yeah, these are all from Laguna beach in the Hills, so. All right, let's just jump in. I just thought this would be fun. Okay, so the first one. And again, in no particular order, these are never in a specific order. I'm actually not too thrilled that I put this one first, though. But it is season one of Laguna beach, when we took a trip to Cabo, and I was dancing on the bar, and Stephen kept yelling, keep dancing on the bar, slut. So Stephen and I did cover this on the Back to the beach podcast that we did together, which was interesting and maybe therapeutic in a lot of ways to relive this with, you know, my high school boyfriend Steven, the one who was yelling these mean things to me. And the Back to the beach pod was the first time I had gone back and watched all of these episodes since they aired. So I probably watched them. It's probably been about three years now. Two or three years, I guess. No, three years. And I'm even a little fuzzy on them now, too. But what I do remember is, I think the time in between when it aired and when I rewatched it a couple years ago, I just always sort of had a bad feeling about this scene in my head, or it wasn't like I was walking around being like, oh, God, I. That scene in Cabo is still sticking with me. But it was one of those moments where I just wasn't necessarily proud of it. But when I went and rewatched it a couple years ago, I actually walked away from it thinking it wasn't as bad as I thought. I. I always felt like I was in the wrong in that scene, but I wasn't. I was 17 years old, on spring break in Cabo, having a good time, and I think they sort of tried to make it seem like I was the only one up on the bar dancing, or I guess they showed a couple of my friends. That's what you did in Cabo. I don't know if. I guess you still kind of do in Cabo, but that was definitely what you did in Cabo. On spring break, everyone was up on the bars dancing and having a good time. Steven and I were not together. I was hanging out with Hot Sam, and clearly he was just jealous and yelling profanities at me. I stand by everything I did, and I will say this. My reaction to him, I was very proud of. I did not react. I was drunk, obviously. I could have very easily popped off, been sassy back, gotten in his face and yelled at him. He was literally in my face yelling at me, and I was laughing, and I just was laughing it off and trying to get away from him and remove myself from the situation. So I. I would have watched that, and I was really proud of myself. And I don't regret dancing on the bar. I would still do that today. So I don't know. I was Just. I was just having a good time trying to make out with Hot Sam. I really. In my eyes, I did no wrong. So I rest my case. Damn it. Steven did apologize to me on the Back to the beach podcast, so I will take it. Okay, Another Cabo one. Lots of Cabo ones. Because, you know, when the tequila is flowing, I guess that's just sort of what happens. But okay, this one is getting ready for Cabo. And it's the infamous line, what happens in Cabo stays in Cabo. And no one ever actually said this. This was definitely an MTV Fed line. We didn't walk around Laguna before spring break saying, what happens in Cabo stays in Cabo. At least that I remember. But there's one specific scene I remember where Alex and I are at the nail salon, because that was all we ever fucking did on Laguna beach, apparently, was get our nails done. And they had us, of course, talking about going to Cabo, and they had us say it. And watching it back, when I say it, it's so awkward to me because it was such an unnatural line. And also how I delivered it was ridiculous. I guess I had a hard time putting sentences together in high school, but I just. I felt so awkward when I said it because I would never say something like that. Also, the irony of it, because we have cameras in our face, but we're saying, what happens in Cabo stays in Cabo. Well, clearly, nothing is staying in Cabo. Nothing did stay in Cabo, that's for damn sure. Okay, now we're gonna jump to the Hills. So this was. Well, my first time filming the Hills was Heidi and Spencer's wedding. But then we broke. I think it was in between seasons. And then my first official time filming the Hills for then my season was at the London Hotel, a pool party. And, you know, the time in between Heidi and Spencer's wedding, which was the finale of whatever season that was to then the London. You know, the first time filming, Audrina and I were talking a lot, and we knew. I remember at the time, there was an Us Weekly article that came out and said that Audrina and I were feuding over Justin Bobby. So we knew, okay, well, this is the storyline MTV is already trying to create. And I remember Audrina and I saying, well, we're not gonna fall for MTV's bullshit. Like, we're sticking together. Us girls are gonna come together. There's no way in hell. I don't even think I had met Justin Bobby at the time. Oh, no, that's not true. They oh. Oh my God. As I'm saying it right now, it's all fucking coming together. They had me sit next to Justin Bobby at Heidi and Spencer's wedding. How am I just now figuring all this out? They already knew the storyline they were going to go for. Wow. You know, my hat goes off to all reality TV producers, but especially the Laguna beach and the Hills producers. I mean, fuck, man, they were good at their jobs. They were good. Well, specifically Adam Devello, who I've had my shit with. But he's smart. He is a smart, smart guy. Really good at his job. And so I can't believe I'm just now figuring this out. So when I came into Heidi and Spencer's wedding, it wasn't. And we're gonna. That's another one. 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They wait until they want you to go in. So long story short, I get to Heidi and Spencer's wedding and they had me downstairs locked away in a room for a long ass time. Obviously it was so that I could be fashionably late. I could be the last one to show up, make it super dramatic. For the record, I was probably one of the first ones there because I am always on time. You wouldn't know that watching the reality shows. And Heidi and Spencer were the only cast members that knew that I would be there. Nobody else knew. Those, those shocking faces, those surprised faces were, were real. I remember coming out and I was nervous because, you know, I hadn't seen these people in forever. And I was walking in last out of everybody. So I knew me walking through those doors was gonna create a scene anyways, which I hate that stuff by the way. I get really nervous being in front of a large group of people like that. Like I, I really don't like it. So I was nervous. So I was walking really fast trying to get to my seat and they told me exactly where to sit, which was next to Justin Bobby. And I can't even remember who else, but it was like right in between two guys of course, because that's the character that they wanted me to be. And the one thing I remember is I was walking really fast and I did not have a bra on and my boobs were just like boom, boom, boom. I was like, why? Why couldn't have. I just put a fucking bra on. God, that was like the one thing that just pissed me off so Much. You know, I don't know. I think it's so funny. I think as a. As a viewer now, I think people would be like, this was so set up. But at the time, you know, no one. No one thought that. Or not that I remember, anyways. But anyways, so that. That was fun, you know, and obviously, I think for the cast, everyone thought potentially, I think that the show was going to be over with Lauren leaving or they didn't really know it was going to happen or how it was going to be. So I think everyone seen me come in, then it was like, oh, shit. The hills is not over. The hills is not over. So. So I think the cast was excited to see me. I'll be fine. But I think they were also just really excited because then it, you know, said that there was more to be had. But anyways, so in between the wedding and my first day filming, like I said, so Audrina and I were talking, you know, we were in cahoots. We were like, there is no way we're falling for MTV's bullshit. We're not going to do this stupid storyline, us fighting over Justin Bobby. This is ridiculous. And I'm like, yes, yes. Okay, so get to the London hotel having a pool party. Everyone's having a great time. Heidi and Spencer show up with a bottle of tequila. Well, everyone got a little toasted. Everyone got a little drunk, including yours truly. And next thing you know, like, truly, in my head, next thing I knew, I was talking to Justin Bobby. I don't remember if he came up to me and started talking. I don't remember if I went up to him and started talking. I could not tell you. But by the way, even if I went up and started talking to him, I wasn't flirting with him. I wasn't hitting on him. There was, like five of us in a corner at the London hotel with a million other people around. You guys have to understand, when you're filming these scenes in a public place, place like the London Hotel, it's a. It's a pool at a hotel. So there's a ton of people there. And then they have like our little section with a bunch of cameras. And it's not like. It's not like I can just be frolicking with everybody else at the pool. They have us kind of like off on our. Off on our own. So there's like, what, five cast members there. And if I'm standing next to Justin Bobby or whoever the. I'm probably gonna start talking to them, right? I'm not hitting on Justin Bobby. Well, the next thing I know, Adrina is coming up to me. Did Adrina come up to me and Stephanie? I can't remember. The girls bamboozled me, and they're giving me shit about talking to Justin Bobby. And I was like, what in the. I'm not even doing anything. But Audrina was coming at me, and I was like, did we not talk about this? Did we not decide we weren't gonna do exactly what you're doing? So that's where the line you guys came at me like piranhas came from. And that's why I was going, so it's gonna be like this. Oh, it's gonna be like this, huh? Because if it's gonna be like this, it's on the fact that I remember that I was so pissed. I was drunk, and I was pissed because in. In my head, I thought, we're not doing this. And then the girls did that, and then I was like, okay. So. Okay. So basically, to me, it said everything that we talk about off camera is so none of that sticks. You and I can be best friends off camera, but then on camera, like, you know, we just do whatever the we want. And so that's why I was like, okay, it's gonna be like this. It's on. Like, you want to be like this? I'll bring it. You know, still got it in me. Apparently, I get triggered. I get fired up. So I remember walking away from that, and I really. It was alarming to me, actually, because to me, it seemed like no one on the cast knew what was real and what was fake anymore, and that was a scary place to be. So I vowed that day to keep my life separate. And that's what I did on the Hills. And we only filmed the Hills three days a week, and it was three different scenes, so it was three changes of clothes for them to splice in wherever they wanted. You know, it was very much like filming a regular TV show. I would say the Hills is more improv than anything. It's like they give you. They give you the outline, the. The situation. They say, okay, here's what's going on. You know, you guys are talking about going to Ladue tomorrow night, and, you know, you plan on seeing Brody there. You know how talk about that. And so they give you, like, all the guidelines. They, like, lay it out for you, and then it's kind of like just riff. But they would also feed you lines. I think I've said this before, but I don't know If I've said this on the podcast, though, when we would be out in public, because people did start catching on of wondering what was real and what was fake. And so if we were at a restaurant having lunch, let's say we would have our phones with us and we would be talking. You know, let's say Audrina and I were filming a scene together. We'd get out what they told us to say, and then we would look at our phone and a producer would text us, literally line by line, what to say. And we look at it, we'd go, okay. And then we'd say, you know, I didn't appreciate how you were talking to me at the London hotel. She would, you know, respond, and then, okay, great, got that. Let's see what else they want us to say. I mean, like, that is literally what we would do, but. And I also think being on Laguna beach and having it be my real boyfriend, that was really tough for me. And then, like I said, coming into the Hills and being like, holy shit, no one knows what's real and what's fake anymore. I just decided I wasn't gonna have any. Any real boyfriends on the show. I wasn't gonna really date on the show. I wasn't gonna bring any of my real girlfriends on the show. My experience at the time was shows ruined relationships and friendships, and that held true through varicabulary. So I stand by that. But. So this was like, whoa. That. I was like, jesus Christ, this is what the Hills is going to be like. Oh, my God. Buckle up. Like, so much anxiety right off the bat. But I was game for it, you know? And I think when I decided to join the Hills, because that was a tough decision for me because I was acting, and I was trying to stay out of, like, that world, that, like, media frenzy world. And I knew joining the Hills would just put me right back in it, and it was definitely taking a left turn from where I had been going. So it was a tough decision. But I. Of course, now I'm so happy with the decision that I made. I'm really thankful that I ended up going back because it brought me into the branding world, and it ultimately led me to this podcast and a million other things, and so I'm really thankful for it. But when I joined the Hills, I remember saying to all of the producers, I said, I'm game for whatever, so keep me in the loop. I don't want it to be like, this manipulation, you know, behind my back, throwing things at me last minute, like, surprising me on camera. Like, I don't want. I don't want to be left out in the dark. Don't do that to me. I'm game. 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No, my junior year in high school, I was a junior and so that was fake. But on the way home from looking at These cars, my 10 year old Isuzu Trooper really did break down. So that's why everyone thought it was fake. And I was like, this was actually probably the realest scene that I filmed on Laguna Beach. And so I was really excited because I hated my car. I really did want a new car. And I thought because my car was breaking down, I thought it was just because it was old and it literally had given up on me. So I was celebrating because I thought, perfect, now I have to get a new car. But what happened on the show was Laguna is a, I guess coming in from Newport, there's two lanes on each side and my car just stopped in the middle of the road. So now PCH was down to one lane, Pacific Coast Highway. And we caused so much traffic, you know, and now there's cameras out filming us and it's just creating such commotion. And the line, my car is Dunzo was completely unprompted. That was all just from me. That was how we talked in Laguna Beach. We. Laguna beach definitely had its own lingo. And it may be more of a surf community type lingo, but definitely Laguna beach has its own vocabulary. And I guess Dunzo was one of the words that we Used to say. And the way it just sort of naturally came out of my mouth, the fact that, you know, my car is breaking down and that's what I say my car is done. So speaks to where I was at mentally, you know, as a 16 year old or 17 year old or whatever I was. But this scene, rewatching this one back a couple years ago was hilarious. I just. Yeah. And then the shit that came out of my mouth in this scene is like truly, truly phenomenal. So I did a Kind Bar commercial last year, I guess it was. And they had me recreate this scene. And it was really funny to do, actually. It was really fun. They even got an Isuzu Trooper, which was pretty amazing. So, again, wish I trademarked Dunzo back in the day, but I did not. Okay, another Laguna one. Actually, these next two are Laguna. Okay, so the next one is when I said, jessica, Jason is cheating on you. So Jessica, Alex and I went to Dave and Buster's show. Prompted. I don't think we ever went to Dave and Buster's on our own. And this, I love this scene because Jessica is in the backseat and she's taking shots out of a water bottle. So she has a water bottle full of, I guess, vodka and a chaser in her other hand. And we're having this scene or well, while we're filming on the way to Dave and Buster's. I love the car scenes because to me, these are the most natural, real scenes because there's just these small cameras in your car. But there's no producers, there's no audio guy with you. We know that they can hear us, but because they're not in the car with us, that's like the one time I would say you can kind of forget that you're filming a show. No other time. Anyone who says you just sort of forget that the cameras are there, I don't believe you. And I don't know how the hell you would, because I never just forgot that the cameras were there unless they were really far away, which doesn't happen often, or these car scenes. So the car scenes, to me were always the realest, where you would maybe get some of the. Just the most natural conversation. And so this conversation with the girls was a very real natural conversation. And us taking shots on the way somewhere is very. Was very real at, again, that ripe age of 17, doing all the things we're not supposed to be doing. And I. I was always a honest friend. I was a brutally honest friend. The shit that came out of my mouth in this scene, me telling Jessica that I know Jason is cheating on her, because it takes one to know one, basically. And I'm saying I've cheated on. I guess Stephen. I guess I was admitting to cheating on Steven. Oops. That was a fun one to rehash on the Back to the beach podcast. Yeah. But I will say so. It's interesting because being on TikTok, I see a lot of those clips of Laguna beach and the hills and people. I feel like people have a newfound appreciation for me, which is nice, because at the time, it was definitely not well received. I think at the time, me telling my friend that her boyfriend is cheating on her came off as bitchy, I guess, to people, where now people are like, kristen was being such a good friend, but. And I. I appreciate the love today. I really do. And I thought I was being a good friend, but again, I got a lot of shit when Laguna beach was on tv. I mean, I really did. I was very, very hated. Well, you loved me or hated me, but the hate seemed the loudest. Maybe because it was me, but I. I definitely think the hate was stronger back in the day. But that's fine. That's not what we're here to talk about. I was just trying to help out my friend, and I was right. He was cheating on her, by the way. But I just. I love this scene because it was such a true. Just a true representation of our dynamic, the three of us in our friendship. I loved it. Okay. And then here's another one that will haunt me till the day I die, and it's Stephen. So I didn't. Well, when I went back and watched Laguna Beach, I couldn't really remember where Stephen originated from. Obviously I knew I said it, but I didn't know where in the show. It became a thing. Like, how it became a thing. And then I watched season one, and it was actually Lauren and Low who made this a thing. I realize I was the one saying it, but they are the ones who, like, coined it, like. Like brought life to it, essentially. And I definitely did say it like that. And, you know, I would actually like to thank Lauren and Low, because, you know, it was things like this and. Well, really just watching the show that I made me realize I always talked like I had marbles in my mouth. I never enunciated a damn word. Every. My sentences were just one run on sentence. No. No breath, no breaks in between the words. Just. Just like gibberish coming out of my mouth. So thankful for the show because I've had to Learn how to enunciate. Over the years, I still get a little lazy sometimes when I talk. I know that I definitely have that Valley girl accent. That is a real thing, by the way. That is a very real Southern California thing. Justin has it, too. We've talked about this. But, yeah, this is the one thing that people still, to this day, when I meet them or if they have me call a friend or leave a message for a friend or whatever, everyone wants me to say. Stephen. Stephen. There you go. Stephen. Okay. And then let's talk about my choker on Laguna Beach. So this black choker that I wore, I think both seasons, definitely season one. I'm pretty sure I did season two. I literally did not take this thing off for a year. For a year, I would shower with this thing on. I mean, I. I never took it off. And this black choker was basically just a piece of velvet rope that I had wrapped around my neck twice. I probably got it at one of those little bead shops that was in Laguna. You could go in and you can make bracelets. You could make, you know, necklaces and whatnot. And we used to go into that stuff all the time. We were just kind of going to all the little stores around Laguna. But I must have just gotten this. This rope and thought, oh, cool, I'm just gonna tie this around my neck. And that was what I did. And I did not take it off. And it's funny because at the time in high school, I never thought about fashion or trends or designers. That stuff was not on my radar. It never crossed my mind. The only thing I cared about. Well, I remember when I moved to Laguna, and I was wearing all billabong stuff and surfer brand stuff, and I remember the girls being like. Like, giving me shit for it. And I was like, what do you mean? I have. I have no idea. Like, I don't know anything about brands or anything. And I remember Miss 60. I had to have a pair of Miss 60 jeans because that was what all the girls had, but they were really expensive. And I came from living with my mom, who my mom loved my mom. And I'm actually really thankful for this now, but she wouldn't give me any money. I mean, I. I remember asking her for a $40 pair of jeans, and it was, no, absolutely not. And I was like, oh, my God. I hated it at the time, but now I'm really thankful because I actually think that was part of the reason why now I have such a great work. Well, work ethic, but drive. I realized At a young age, if I wanted something, I was going to have to make it happen myself. But so I remember, I think these jeans were like $150 or something, you know, And I was a sophomore in high school, and I remember being like, oh, my God, I want them so bad. But, like, you know, they're so expensive. But my dad bought them for me, but they were a size too big. So I used to have to roll. I used to have to roll the top over so that they wouldn't fall off of me. God. But anyways, but that was the only designer thing. Wasn't even miss 60. Wasn't even a design. I mean, you know, they were just like a cool brand at the time. They had great jeans, but it wasn't like I. I was doing it because it was trendy or it was in fashion. I just did whatever I liked. It wasn't until I moved up to la and then I started having a lot of photo shoots and working with stylists and going to red carpets and stuff. That then really piqued my interest, the fashion world. But I think it's so funny because when I launched on common James In 2017, chokers were actually back. They were big again, and they were the trendy thing. They were on every Runway, and they were is what everyone was doing. And so when I launched Uncommon James, we did chokers, and it just felt like a full circle moment, a very cool moment where, you know, a choker was what kind of like put me on the map and then, you know, being able to launch my company and kind of like pay homage to that was, I thought, kind of cool. So, anyways, okay. And then the last one is the Hills ending. And I know there's mixed emotions about the Hills ending. I personally loved it. I couldn't have picked a better ending, I think for me, personally. Well, for a couple reasons, but mostly because I felt that show wasn't real. It wasn't real. There were real elements, real moments, but it wasn't real. And I thought it was nice to sort of tip our hat at the audience of like, yeah, you know, also, we're on. We're in on the joke. Yeah. Wasn't 100% real. I think it wasn't. I like it because it made you think. It wasn't saying, yes, the show is completely fake, but it wasn't saying the show's a hundred percent real. It was kind of like it was showing that we knew what people were saying. We were in on the joke. And honestly, I thought it was just really clever. I thought it was a really smart way to end, really. Laguna beach and the Hills, because, you know, the Hills was a spinoff. Just put a nice little bow on the whole thing. And again, it goes back to Adam Duvelo. He really is. He's a genius with this stuff. And I'm. I'm proud. You know, I think reality TV has changed so much, and I'm proud of the shows that I did because Laguna beach was groundbreaking in a lot of ways. And that has nothing to do with me. That really is the producers, the creatives behind it. And the Hills too. I mean, those shows made noise. They, you know, were shot in such a beautiful way. It looked like a movie, but it wasn't. You know, it created. Created a lot of conversations, those shows. And for that I'm proud of those. You know, those shows were at the time something we had never seen before. And an ending like this, that is so cool. I don't know any other show that you could do that with. You know, it's not like you could do that with the Housewives or like. Like those shows lent themselves to being able to have these really innovative moments. And so that's why I'm proud of those shows. There are moments I'm not proud of, don't get me wrong, but overall, I'm proud of being a part of those shows. I also loved that. It was just. It was one of those jaw dropping moments, completely unexpected. It made people. Like I said, it made people think. It made you want to call your friend and be like, what the fuck? What does it mean? What are they saying? You know, because again, I really. I think I know people took it like, oh, my God, they just said that the whole show was fake. I didn't take it like that. I took it more like it was us just saying, you know, it was like tipping our hat to the viewer, being like, we heard you the whole time. And again, this is not us confirming. It's just kind of, you know, it's just being in on the joke. And, you know, I forgot about this. Actually, we. I guess I was saying goodbye to Brody in the scene before we were on the Paramount lot. By the way, if you haven't seen the ending, it's worth seeing, it's worth watching. But they had Brody and I saying goodbye to each other because I was supposed to be going to London and we were saying goodbye to each other on the street, which we filmed it on the street, and then we went and filmed it on the Paramount lot. Because then what they did was they called cut and they pulled back. So you saw we were on the Paramount lot in front of a green screen. We said goodbye, got in our cars, went home, blah, blah, blah. Cause it was supposed to be, I think I was supposed to be going to the airport to go to London, which, by the way, that's random as fuck. I think we were sort of thinking like maybe we would then do a spin off and go to London and keep the fucking thing going. Which, like, thank God. Thank God I didn't. I actually met my ex husband a month after we wrapped the Hills. And so I essentially gave up my career in entertainment. But London would have been fun, you know, but I can't imagine having done another show. My God. So anyways, that was that. Those are some of the most memorable moments. Oh, God, it's so funny to relive this stuff. Part of me feels like it was yesterday that all of this happened, even the high school moments. And then, you know, another part of me feels like, no, that definitely was over 20 years ago because a lot of shit's happened. But really thankful for all of my experiences on every reality show that I've done, even the hard times, because, you know, they've made me who I am today. And I'm excited to now film, which I promise you, will be my last show again. It's a special. It's not. It's so different than doing a show like this, but I am excited to be filming again, you know, and to be able to share the podcast tour with you guys. So I hope this got you excited about being able to see all the behind the scenes for the podcast tour. And yeah, I will see you guys after the tour next week. I'll be home. I'll be exhausted. I'm sure as you guys are listening to this, I will be in the middle of all of my shows. And I just. I'm so excited to see how it all turns out. So thanks for listening and I'll see you guys soon.