A (2:01)

That's interesting. I mean, I guess I started going out in LA my senior year of high school.

B (2:05)

Right, Exactly.

A (2:06)

Same thing. I don't remember needing a fake ID though. Yeah, is that weird? And then all of a sudden, I think it was like a couple years in, that's when they started cracking down. And then there was like a six month period that I couldn't go to the clubs. Until I turned 21.

B (2:20)

That's, like, the perfect window.

A (2:21)

Right. So you've talked a lot about how you got into a lot of trouble growing up, were kind of a bad girl. Right?

B (2:28)

Well, it's part of. It was, like, doing all of that beforehand. You get it out of your system. But we for sure were, you know, going to parties, having our, like, Mickey 40s. I could never, obviously, like, I'm not a drinker. I can't drink. I will throw up if I drink, so it's not really my thing. But you experiment with everything.

A (2:45)

Yeah.

B (2:45)

And you just go for it. But again, I was grateful that I got it out of the way because I was super domesticated once I started working.

A (2:53)

Oh, great.

B (2:54)

I want to be at home. I want to cook.

A (2:57)

Yep.

B (2:57)

You know, and do all that. And I was only, like, when I got on the OC, I was 21.

A (3:03)

And so you were already over that whole phase of already over. Oh, that's nice.

B (3:06)

Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's not like we didn't go out, but we all went out as a group. And then I was in a relationship, and, like, my friends would come along with us, and.

A (3:14)

Yeah.

B (3:14)

It's just different.

A (3:15)

Right. Once you're in a relationship, too, it's different.

B (3:17)

Yes.

A (3:18)

Well, I just saw you went on another podcast and you talked about how you got in a car accident.

B (3:22)

Yeah.

A (3:23)

When you were 14.

B (3:24)

14.

A (3:25)

I was shocked by this story.

B (3:26)

Really?

A (3:27)

Yeah. I mean, I just didn't know. I was, like, holy.

B (3:30)

I know.

A (3:30)

So what happened?

B (3:31)

Oh, my God. So speaking of, like, you know, partying a little too young. We were kids, and my friend and I and a couple guys, like, were on the beach, and they were drinking and, you know, trying to think if the boys were doing other things. They may have been. And we left. We were, like, in Oxnard, which is, you know, north of la, and then we were on pch, Pacific Coast Highway.

A (3:54)

So the guys are older, so they're able to drive?

B (3:56)

Well, actually, my friend was the one driving because I was 14, but she was 16.

A (3:59)

Oh.

B (4:00)

I was friends with the older girls in high school. Got it. Because they were my brother's friend. My older brother introduced me. So I get in with, like, the older crowd, and we were driving, and, like, the guy in the passenger seat was, like, messing around and, like, tickling the guy in the back seat, and he just takes his arm and he pulls the steering wheel.

A (4:18)

Oh, shit.

B (4:19)

Yeah. Like, you know, they were.

A (4:21)

I know. You're just. You're not even thinking.

B (4:23)

No. I mean, they were Obviously inebriated or, you know, and like pulled the wheel and then we shifted. We were in like a little car shifted over to oncoming traffic and it was like a big head on collision. I don't remember a thing. Right.

A (4:37)

So you woke up in the hospital, right?

B (4:39)

Yeah. And I barely remember that. Like, wow. My mom says my head was bandaged and black eye and everything. And I have a scar, like under my hairline. It literally stops, like, right at the edge.

A (4:49)

You're lucky.

B (4:50)

Yeah, yeah, it was like. It kind of like, you know, went into my head, scalp, kind of part of it or something.

A (4:55)

Wow. But I don't remember.

B (4:57)

It's literally I black out. Like, the hand on the wheel is the last memory.

A (5:00)

Well, it's probably a good thing.

B (5:02)

Thank goodness. Like, I would not be able to drive. I don't.

A (5:05)

So you were airlifted to the hospital, right?

B (5:07)

Yeah, Jaws of life. Had to get us out of the car. Airlifted. Now this is all from like the police report. Reading it because, you know, you don't remember anything. Yeah. And I would say that was a really big point where I was hanging out with certain people. Then that happened and it kind of directed me towards the drama department in high school.

A (5:25)

Oh, thank God.

B (5:27)

Perfect. Yeah, so that worked out okay.

A (5:30)

So maybe it was a blessing in disguise.

B (5:32)

I mean, I like to think of it that way. I mean, some, you know, the guys didn't come out to, like, everyone survived, but, you know, the injuries were pretty bad and.

A (5:41)

Wow.

B (5:41)

But yeah, personally, it was. Yeah. A blessing in disguise. Yeah, for sure.

A (5:45)

But you have. You've got memory problems from it still, right?

B (5:49)

Yeah.

A (5:49)

Was it, wait, short term or long term? And I think you guys were fighting about this on the podcast.

B (5:54)

I don't even remember what it was. I don't even know.

A (5:57)

Yeah.

B (5:57)

It's so bad. And people sometimes, like, take offense. I'm like, no, you don't understand. Even my daughter. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The other night, she was like, mom, do you still have the first thing I knitted for you? And in my head, I'm like, oh, what was it? Oh, what was it? And I was like, the coaster. She was like, yeah.

A (6:13)

I was like, oh, to be fair, I don't think I would remember something like that either.

B (6:17)

That's hard for a mom. I think all moms can relate.

A (6:19)

I was like, oh, the worst is sailor and my daughter. Because, you know, when they're younger, they bring home a thousand things every day, a picture or whatever.

B (6:27)

100.

A (6:27)

I would throw them in the trash and Sometimes she found them in the trash and I would be like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

B (6:32)

Oh my God.

A (6:33)

No, like devastated. And I'd be like, no, I don't know how those got in there.

B (6:36)

I don't know what happened.

A (6:38)

Of course I want those.

B (6:40)

Have you seen those things where you can turn their art into like books or something? I don't know. There's like something you can do.

A (6:44)

Not a bad idea. I do have a whole bin.

B (6:47)

Yeah.

A (6:47)

And I will keep some stuff. But I mean you can't so much. You can't keep it all.

B (6:51)

No, there's a lot.

A (6:52)

It's a lot of stuff.

B (6:53)

It's a lot of stuff.

A (6:53)

It's a lot of stuff. What's it like raising a daughter in la?

B (6:57)

So we're a little LA adjacent.

A (6:59)

Okay. Right.

B (7:00)

Which I love. It just feels a little like there's a little bit more normalcy, you know, there's a lot of different occupations and small town feel where we are.

A (7:12)

Not just the entertainment industry.

B (7:14)

Not at all. Yeah, not at all.

A (7:16)

Oh, is there anyone or is it kind of.

B (7:17)

Yeah, of course. I mean, you know.

A (7:19)

Yeah.

B (7:19)

But it's a lot less than, you know, friends who have kids in other schools or stayed more central. I definitely feel a difference and I really love it. And you know, for my daughter, she has. Both of her parents are in the business and especially her dad will get recognized, but it doesn't even register with her. Like she kind of just is what it is. She has a really good attitude about it and she's like, you know, I just not affected. Yeah, we're just mom and dad. That's it.

A (7:46)

Yeah, I know. Kids will humble you real quick.

B (7:49)

Real quick. How do your kids deal like with you?

A (7:51)

I mean. Well, and same thing, like their dad was an athlete, you know, so like. And my boys are in middle school school now and so all the boys like know who Jay is and like the girls know who I am and. Yeah, but they're just. Yeah, they're kind of used to it. And again, it's like, it's like not. They don't look at us like that. So it's different, right? Yeah, yeah. Which is good.

B (8:09)

It's definitely good.

A (8:11)

So let's talk about the early 2000s because people don't get it. It's so different now. And that was such a time. Oh my God.

B (8:20)

It was such a time.

A (8:21)

Such a time. And so fun.

B (8:22)

So fun.

A (8:23)

It was the best. And it was. I really credit because it was before these smartphones. So we didn't have.

B (8:29)

Seriously think about it.

A (8:30)

I know.

B (8:30)

Thank God. No Instagram. Yep. No, it was like the start of the Sidekick.

A (8:34)

Yeah.

B (8:34)

Right.

A (8:34)

That we all had no camera phones.

B (8:36)

No.

A (8:37)

You had to bring out a digital camera.

B (8:38)

Just, like, a razor or whatever. Or have a digital camera. Yeah, of course. Yes.

A (8:43)

And it was the best. So people were actually having fun. And they were present.

B (8:47)

They were present.

A (8:48)

So as fun as it was, though, there were hard times with being on tv. I mean, the paparazzi were ruthless.

B (8:53)

That was.

A (8:54)

That was a lot. The tabloids were crazy. You were involved with the Bling Ring. Like, there were a lot of things. There were a lot of. What was the hardest part?

B (9:03)

You think, oh, my God. I don't. You know, I mean, the paparazzi thing, like, where it got to the point where there was a time. I forget where I talked about this. Where my mom and her neighbor had, like, a shared dog door in their fence because they were so close. I remember having to, like, crawl through the dog door and leave out of my mom's neighbor's driveway. Wow. To not get followed. And you know what that's like. Because at the time, it was. It was a lot.

A (9:31)

It was a lot. And there would be, like, 10 cars outside of your house every day.

B (9:35)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (9:36)

So even if you're like, I just want to go to Walgreens and get something, you're like, I can't.

B (9:40)

I can't.

A (9:41)

Right.

B (9:41)

It felt like you can't, or you just go and you don't care, but, like, you know, you're not going to be put together every time. And it is what it is. Like, I've always kind of had that attitude, though, where I'm like, what are you gonna do?

A (9:52)

I know. I just didn't like the attention that it created. Right. You know, so like now, when normally you could just probably dip into Walgreens. Yeah. The paparazzi, though, now everyone is going, who is that? Who is that? What's going on? That was the part I hated.

B (10:04)

That's more the thing I totally get.

A (10:06)

I didn't care about, like, looking like shit or whatever. Cause I did 90% of the time.

B (10:11)

Please.

A (10:13)

No, I did.

B (10:14)

No, but I know that's the. Yeah, that's weird thing.

A (10:17)

What about the tabloid world? Was that ever hard for you?

B (10:20)

I really, like. I feel like I was so domesticated when the height of the OC Was really taking off. It was a different experience for me than it was for, like, Misha, for instance, or, like, you guys. Like, I just feel like you were.

A (10:37)

At home making dinners.

B (10:38)

I was.

A (10:38)

And you weren't at the clubs.

B (10:40)

I was, like, going to the bagel shop in the morning and, like, you know, the movies and just. It was a different thing. And had it been before, that would be a different story, you know?

A (10:51)

But what about with relationships? Because, I mean, especially so you dated Adam Brody, and do you feel like, because you guys were on the same show together and that was at the height of the tabloid world, do you feel like people felt like they had a right to know what was going on with you guys?

B (11:07)

I think that's always the case. And I'm sure you can relate, like, if it's out there or they think they know you or. Especially because we were a couple on the show.

A (11:16)

Yeah.

B (11:16)

And a couple in real life, they're like, oh, it's Seth and Summer. Or, you know, and they really relate it to that, and they think that's what you are, who you are. And I remember thinking, like, in the beginning of the show, Summer was like, a bitch. And we had, like, this event where there was all these people, and I purposely, like, went overboard, like, nice to all the fans. I'm like, I'm not her. I'm a really nice person. And I, like, went so, so hard with it because I was like, I'm not that person. And obviously, she evolved and changed a lot. But, yeah, they do feel like they know you or have a right to, you know, your privacy or you're putting yourself out there. Yeah. Which you are to a certain degree. Yeah. And I would think, especially, like, you know, the reality versions of the shows where it's you quote, unquote.

A (12:02)

Right.

B (12:03)

They probably really feel that way.

A (12:04)

They do. They feel like.

B (12:05)

Yeah.

A (12:05)

They feel like that is 100% you on those shows.

B (12:08)

Right.

A (12:08)

So funny, because I relate to you and that I felt like I needed to overcompensate, too, because I was the.

B (12:13)

Bitch on the show.

A (12:13)

So wait, I don't think that's who I am. So I was like, I'm gonna show her how nice I am.

B (12:18)

You're like, every time. You're like, give me a hug.

A (12:21)

Yeah, I promise. What about later with other relationships? Did you feel like once you weren't on the same show with someone, did you feel like it was a little bit less or they still were kind.

B (12:32)

Of ruthless, kind of funny. I'm like, God, if I look at my track record, because then, obviously, like, Briar's dad, we met on a movie, so we were in a movie together. But movies are shorter lived than series, So I feel like that wasn't really a thing. I don't know. There was a lot more privacy, I felt like, in that second relationship than the first. That's nice.

A (12:52)

Yeah.

B (12:52)

I think there's my memory.

A (12:55)

Right? Yeah. Like, actually, that's not true. Yeah. Let me show you these headlines. Well, unfortunately, you do understand the headline world more than most. I mean, you've been under fire talking. Why not?

B (13:07)

Yeah. I mean, listen.

A (13:09)

Right, right there. You've been under fire for talking about sex. You even lost a job for it. I think that is so shitty, because here's the shitty part. You're very open on your podcast. And I think, just in general, which I think that's why people love you so much. You're so relatable. And then, you know, you get these headlines that are taken out of context. And then I think, tell me if I'm wrong. But, like, I know for me, it makes me shut down and it makes me really sensitive. And then you lose a little piece of you.

B (13:35)

Yeah, absolutely. Even coming here today, I'm like, okay, do I have to filter? Because, you know, they'll take things and they'll put it out there, and, you know, I think better than, like, most.

A (13:44)

Yeah.

B (13:44)

Like, you know.

A (13:45)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (13:46)

I always. I'm always so entertained. Like, oh, my God, Kristen. No, but it's true. Like, you have to think about it. And when. That was the whole thing about the podcast. Like, when we started Broad Ideas, we wanted to be able to be relatable, make things accessible, talk about things that might be taboo. I grew up in a household where my mom is very open about sex and was always talked about. So to me, it wasn't a thing. And then you talk about it. I don't even remember what the thing was.

A (14:13)

I know. I'm trying to think, too. I know.

B (14:15)

Like, I made a comment, like, jokingly. Yeah. When we're talking, it's like friends talking.

A (14:19)

Right, Right.

B (14:20)

And so you might be say something which is kind of funny.

A (14:23)

Right.

B (14:23)

But then they take it. Right. You're like, oh, like, I was being sarcastic. I was being sarcastic. Or just, you know, having fun. Yep.

A (14:30)

And then having a girl's conversation, like, this is the stuff that we talk.

B (14:33)

About a hundred percent.

A (14:35)

Yeah. All of a sudden, when they take a little snippet and you see it in a headline, it's like, I can see. Yeah. It's jarring. Because you don't understand. You don't get it.

B (14:42)

You don't hear the whole conversation. I think there was something else. And Then it was like, talked about on the View or something. See, my memory, I haven't thought, like, things are just coming for some reason where I said something about not having that many partners. I don't remember what I said. But anyway, it makes it there. And I'm like, you guys didn't hear the whole conversation out of context. It sounds much different than the whole thing.

A (15:03)

I'm like, if you're going to comment on it, you should have to go and listen to the whole interview or whatever. Yeah. If you're going to be a journalist, you can't just go off of a clip or a headline. You have to understand exactly what you're talking about.

B (15:15)

Right.

A (15:15)

That's my biggest issue with it.

B (15:17)

Yeah.

A (15:17)

So do you find that you censor yourself on your podcast now? Yeah, I know.

B (15:21)

Do you?

A (15:23)

Yeah. I go through phases.

B (15:24)

Yeah.

A (15:25)

Where sometimes I'm like, okay, I cannot be in the headline world for a minute. And I'll definitely pull back. And I feel like I've found this way to kind of say stuff without just saying it. But then I'll be like, okay, but I'm losing myself. So then I'll be like, it, I don't care. And I'll be like, I'm just gonna say whatever I want. And then it's like this ebb and flow.

B (15:42)

So how do you. Because you have. Your boys are in middle school. Yeah. So how do you handle it now that they can, like, see these things?

A (15:49)

Okay. So this is actually the one thing that made me be like, whoa, I need to watch what I'm saying.

B (15:53)

Okay.

A (15:54)

They told me, actually, they told me recently that like a year ago or something when I was dating that younger guy that their friends said they saw, he and I played a drinking game or something on the podcast and they saw some of the sexual stuff that we were talking about, and I was like, oh, whoa. That made me, like, really pause. Right. And think that I. More than ever now, I need to start being careful because it's really. I don't care at the end of the day, like, what Jane in Kansas thinks about me.

B (16:23)

It's my kids that, like, of course.

A (16:25)

I can't be saying stuff that's going to affect them and their friends. So that made me.

B (16:30)

That was like a real eye opener.

A (16:31)

That was a bit of a wake up call. Yeah.

B (16:33)

Oh, my God.

A (16:34)

I know.

B (16:34)

I forgot you dated. He was a lot younger, right?

A (16:36)

He was 13 years younger.

B (16:37)

Oh, wow. Yeah. That was fun.

A (16:39)

It was fun. It was fun. Until it wasn't, you know, and then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (16:43)

You're like.

A (16:43)

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B (20:24)

No.

A (20:24)

No.

B (20:25)

No.

A (20:25)

Have you dated at all in the last little bit?

B (20:27)

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

A (20:28)

How do you meet people?

B (20:29)

That's the thing.

A (20:30)

I know it's hard.

B (20:31)

Have you ever gone on the apps?

A (20:32)

I was on Raya for a minute.

B (20:33)

You were?

A (20:34)

Yeah.

B (20:34)

How was it?

A (20:35)

I went on a few dates.

B (20:36)

Yeah.

A (20:37)

And I went on some good dates. But I. I don't know, I got over it pretty quickly. I think it's fun for like two weeks.

B (20:42)

Right? I know I've never been on an app, but like, if I'm around someone who's on it, I like, look with them because it's fun. You just like, see what's going on. But I've never done the apps. I really like, I'm a hardcore, like, bedtime before nine kind of person. I know.

A (20:56)

Me too.

B (20:56)

So it's like, I'm like, if I'm gonna go out, it has to be something I really want to do. Yep.

A (21:01)

I know it. I know it's the hardest part is meeting people.

B (21:05)

Yeah. Well. Yeah. How do you.

A (21:06)

I mean, I'm trying to think. I kind of don't. Like, I haven't.

B (21:10)

I don't.

A (21:11)

I haven't really dated a lot this year.

B (21:12)

Really?

A (21:13)

Yeah. I took the first half of the year off and then I got set up with a coach through CIA. You're my agency.

B (21:20)

Okay.

A (21:21)

Random.

B (21:21)

Wait, like a professional? Yeah.

A (21:23)

Like an NBA coach. But I guess I should clarify. An NBA coach.

B (21:29)

Yeah.

A (21:30)

And then I went on a few dates with a guy that I met through friends.

B (21:33)

Yeah.

A (21:34)

Like randomly. We went to an Oasis concert, but I haven't. And then I went on one other date, got set up by friends, but.

B (21:40)

It'S just, like, naturally happening.

A (21:42)

And so that was my thing that I deleted Raya and I was like, I really want to meet someone in real life.

B (21:46)

Yes. So.

A (21:47)

But you know, there are all those.

B (21:48)

Success stories, right, where people are, like, getting married and, you know, which is interesting.

A (21:53)

I know. Do you want to get married?

B (21:55)

I mean, you weren't married before, but. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah. So that's like a weird question, you know, Like, I'm coming into, like, mid-40s. Like, do I wanna. Yeah, do that? I just. I like how my life is. I don't know. That's. That's a tough question. Yeah.

A (22:10)

Do you want more kids?

B (22:11)

I mean, I. I think I'm too old. I probably would have. Yeah. But I don't think my daughter would.

A (22:17)

Be down, cuz she's how old now?

B (22:19)

She's 11.

A (22:20)

Oh, right. Okay. So she's the same age as Jackson, my middle.

B (22:23)

Oh, okay. Fifth.

A (22:24)

He's 6.

B (22:25)

He's 6. Okay. She just turned 11.

A (22:27)

Okay, got it.

B (22:27)

She's older for her grade. Yes. But, yeah, no, she doesn't want. She's. She doesn't want to. Like, she tells me you guys are.

A (22:33)

Probably in such a rhythm too. Like, the two of you.

B (22:35)

We have such a thing. Yeah. I don't want to mess with it.

A (22:38)

I think it be.

B (22:39)

Are you done?

A (22:39)

Oh, God, yeah. You're so my baby sailor. She just turned 10 and so it's similar. I can't imagine going back to the baby phase again.

B (22:47)

That's what I'm saying. Like, my niece is 2 and I'll have her, but I'm like, oh, I love her. But then going back to that, it's a whole. Once you make it out, it's just so easy. Right. So we're in, like, such a good. Such a good place.

A (23:00)

11 is such a fun age, don't you think?

B (23:02)

So fun. It's so much fun.

A (23:04)

I know. Because they're like real people and people have a sense of humor.

B (23:07)

So funny. And you can just hang out and talk and, like, go do the things and she's my little partner.

A (23:12)

She's a buddy.

B (23:13)

Sweet. She's a buddy.

A (23:16)

How is co parenting going? Because that's always a bit of a journey.

B (23:19)

Great. Ours is like a unique, you know, version of it. We get along really well. We do a lot of, like, stuff together. Great. A lot. Yeah.

A (23:28)

Like when you guys spend the holidays together. That's amazing.

B (23:31)

Yeah.

A (23:31)

That's so nice.

B (23:32)

Yeah. And it's, you know, we have been able to. To keep it very, like, copacetic and nice for her.

A (23:41)

How do you do that? Like, what's your advice for someone who's just now starting on that journey? What would you say?

B (23:46)

Do you guys have to switch and alternate holidays?

A (23:49)

Yeah, and he gets them every other weekend and then he'll have them Christmas Eve this year and I get them Christmas morning. And so it's like. Yeah, we switch.

B (23:56)

So you do that. Yeah. Well, we weren't ever married, so we never had to. So we figured out our own way. That's nice. Our own path. Yeah. Actually, advice is just. God, I don't even know because I hear so many different situations. Some people are so evolved and like, it's amazing from the, from the jump, like they don't have to do anything. I don't really have an answer other than communicating and sometimes you have to compromise a lot. There's no real answer.

A (24:24)

I know it's not. And every situation is so different.

B (24:26)

So different.

A (24:27)

I would say don't take things personally and like, understand. I think especially in the beginning, people are probably still hurting and.

B (24:34)

Yeah, I think emotions, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (24:38)

I know. It's nice when you can finally. When everyone can let go of that and then you can just co parent.

B (24:44)

Totally. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. And I, you know, I'm really close to his family and it's been almost. It's like 19 years or something, which is. Yeah. A long time. So it's just like. Yeah.

A (24:54)

Like just water under the bridge is what it is.

B (24:57)

Yeah. Yeah. That's what it feels like.

A (24:59)

That's so nice.

B (25:00)

Yeah.

A (25:00)

We have kind of similar situations in that you guys met, you guys got engaged really fast and then broke up and then got back together.

B (25:09)

You did the same.

A (25:10)

We did the same thing. Really? Yeah. I mean, and then we ended up getting married, but it wasn't until after I had Camden, my first.

B (25:15)

Oh, wow.

A (25:16)

So we kind of. Yeah.

B (25:18)

Same pattern. Yeah.

A (25:19)

What did you learn about that whole phase of your life? What did it teach you about you? Or just relationships in general?

B (25:25)

God, it taught me so much. I was so young, though. Like, I was.

A (25:29)

How old were you?

B (25:29)

25. Yeah. When we met, how old were you?

A (25:32)

I was 23 when I met my ex.

B (25:33)

Yeah. Similar.

A (25:34)

Yeah.

B (25:34)

But he and I are the same age, so, you know, I mean, I know it's different guys and girls, like, girls mature faster and stuff, but it was still pretty similar. I was really young and I think that that relationship let me kind of Take a step back. And I felt I was very present because I wasn't just chasing the career thing, you know, it wasn't number one for me. I. But I tend to do that. Like, I tend to put relationships. Oh, but now my kid first. But, like, when I'm in a relationship, I really prioritize that. Yep. So I think that's what came into play for me. And looking back, because I was so young, you're like, oh, maybe you could have done more for yourself or.

A (26:12)

Right.

B (26:12)

But I have no regrets. Yeah. I think that it was just interesting to see that I kind of put everything else on hold because I wanted to, like, support and nurture that relationship. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

A (26:23)

I mean, I get it.

B (26:24)

23 is so young.

A (26:25)

I mean, it's so. So it's 25. I mean, all of it's young.

B (26:27)

Yeah. It's all young.

A (26:28)

It's young. I don't think you should be able to get married until you're at least 30, 45.

B (26:32)

Yeah.

A (26:33)

Actually, there's probably some truth there. It's true. You just change so much.

B (26:37)

Well, you watch the Bachelor, and there's girls on there. They're like, 23, and I'm like, you don't.

A (26:42)

No, run.

B (26:44)

Don't. Like.

A (26:45)

I know.

B (26:46)

Don't do it.

A (26:47)

You're a baby.

B (26:48)

Oh, my God.

A (26:49)

You're a baby. That's what I'm sign up to do.

B (26:51)

Yeah. The Bachelor should start at, like, 30. I know, 35.

A (26:54)

The success rate would probably be higher.

B (26:56)

Just probably be higher.

A (26:57)

Just saying.

B (26:58)

I know.

A (26:59)

What about relationships, then? Moving forward, were you able to make yourself more of a priority, or did you still find that you were doing the same thing?

B (27:05)

I have that pattern. Yeah. And now it's with my kid, but I just have it any other way. Good. Yeah. I'm like, no. Mom first. 100%. She's first. Of course. No matter what. But, yeah, in relationships, I think I'd probably be the same.

A (27:19)

Yeah.

B (27:20)

Yeah.

A (27:20)

Yeah. How long has it been since you've been in a relationship?

B (27:24)

Well, you know, defining relationship.

A (27:27)

Yeah.

B (27:27)

Or something like a serious.

A (27:28)

Something serious. Oh, God.

B (27:30)

It's been a minute. Yeah.

A (27:32)

A few years, right?

B (27:32)

Yeah, probably. Yeah. I think, like, something serious.

A (27:36)

Yeah. Yes.

B (27:37)

There's been, you know, things. Right.

A (27:39)

But nothing that's.

B (27:40)

No, I guess, was your last serious. The younger guy.

A (27:42)

Yeah. You know what's funny, though, is, like, so.

B (27:45)

Yes.

A (27:46)

But I also say I've been single for almost six years. I just think, like, once you've had kids with someone and been married, it's like, not even just been married, but like, no. Like a serious relationship like that.

B (27:56)

Right. It's hard to kind of define, like, serious. Yeah. It's just.

A (28:00)

That was serious.

B (28:01)

Right.

A (28:01)

Everything since then is like, like, was I faithful to him? Sure.

B (28:05)

Right.

A (28:05)

Like, I wouldn't look back and be like, that was a serious relationship in my whole life.

B (28:09)

I totally get that. Yeah.

A (28:10)

And I think you, unless you've like been in a really serious relationship with kids or marriage or both, like, it's hard to kind of understand that.

B (28:16)

But yeah, I agree.

A (28:18)

I'd say I've been single for actually almost six years since my divorce.

B (28:20)

Right.

A (28:21)

So there's.

B (28:21)

I probably would say the same. Right. However long it's been. Right. Exactly.

A (28:26)

What are you looking for in a guy today? How has that evolved over?

B (28:30)

My friends get so mad at me because they're like, why? Like, they like to live vicariously through. Right. Because they're all in relationships. They're married or in relationships or whatever.

A (28:39)

Right.

B (28:39)

And they're like, go out, do this, do that. And I'm like, dude, no, I want to, like, be home. I want to be at the soccer field with my daughter first thing in the morning. Like, I'm not doing any of it.

A (28:48)

You know, Get a good night's sleep.

B (28:49)

Exactly. I'm like, that's the best.

A (28:51)

I know.

B (28:52)

That's all I want to do. I know, I know. I'm like, I'm an 85 year old knitting, but I. They all want me to do all the things, but I think I don't even know anymore. Like, I used to be like, they need to be funny because I really like a sense of humor. But now I'm like, I don't even know. I don't even know if I need that. I'm like, I don't think I need anything. So you are not.

A (29:13)

Look like you do not care.

B (29:15)

I don't care.

A (29:15)

I love that for you.

B (29:17)

I don't care. Care.

A (29:18)

I love that.

B (29:19)

What do you want?

A (29:20)

I think that you're in a really great place. So I do want to be in a relationship and I would love to get married again.

B (29:26)

Okay.

A (29:27)

I'm in no rush and I will not settle. That's for damn sure. I mean, that's why I've been single so for so long. Because I think, to your point, like, I really value my peace, my time. I'm really happy on my own. My kids are a massive priority and they take up a lot of time because they're busy.

B (29:43)

Yeah, it's so busy.

A (29:44)

We're in very, a very busy season of life and I found out yesterday from an astrologer that my career is number one that track. So like, I don't.

B (29:55)

Yeah.

A (29:55)

So I don't know where a relationship falls into that, but I would eventually like to be in a partnership for sure.

B (30:01)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's definitely times where you're like, fuck. Like something broke and. Yeah, I can't, like, I don't want to go on the roof. You know what I mean?

A (30:09)

I've got a great handyman though. Do you have a handyman? You need a good.

B (30:12)

I mean, I have, yeah, I have people like call for sure, but we.

A (30:16)

Don'T want you going on the roof.

B (30:17)

Not going on the road. Yeah, no, there are things, you know, but it's also cool for my daughter to see that like I do do all the things when it's just us.

A (30:25)

I agree, I agree. I think she's gonna have a very cool perspective on her mom, you know, I think it's good she still likes.

B (30:31)

Me, which is great.

A (30:32)

Isn't that so nice?

B (30:33)

I mean, I'm dreading like if that ever changes.

A (30:35)

It mean, honestly, my 13 year old still likes me, so. I don't know. I mean, he's a boy. It might be a little bit different, but I don't know.

B (30:43)

I don't know.

A (30:43)

Especially because it's the two of you. I think you might be okay.

B (30:47)

I hope so.

A (30:47)

Is she, what is her personality? Is she wild at all or sweet?

B (30:51)

Yeah, no, she's like a really kind, sweet, gentle person. I love that. I, I'm so happy with the human.

A (30:58)

She so nice.

B (31:00)

It's so nice.

A (31:01)

And she might not turn on you.

B (31:02)

She might not. You know, I know like hormones come into play and all that stuff, but she, she's a good one.

A (31:08)

I mean, I tell you what. So sailor, my daughter, she just turned 10 and she's sassy. Like she's got the tude and so I don't. I feel like you would see glimpses of it by now. If she's going to be like that.

B (31:19)

I definitely. There's a unique situation going on where she's just so sweet. I love that. I know.

A (31:24)

You're lucky.

B (31:24)

Very.

A (31:25)

Okay, well, it sounds like, I mean, I've got a lot of dating questions, but it sounds like maybe you don't have any. So you have a dating horror story.

B (31:31)

Oh my God.

A (31:32)

Or a really good story because I think sometimes we're always like, what's the worst date you've been on?

B (31:36)

Good date.

A (31:36)

You've been on Good day.

B (31:38)

That's so funny because I've always, like, any my best friends around, they'll remember.

A (31:42)

We're dealing with this memory.

B (31:43)

We're dealing with this memory. I'm a really great interview. I'm always like, you guys, I can't. They'll be like, remember that time?

A (31:49)

That's hilarious.

B (31:50)

I did have a guy, like, leave a butterball turkey on my doorstep at Thanksgiving.

A (31:55)

Wait, that's nice.

B (31:56)

And a Christmas tree on my doorstep at Christmas time.

A (31:59)

That's nice.

B (32:00)

Yeah. This was. I was much younger. I mean, I was probably 19 or something, but like.

A (32:05)

No, that is funny having a Christmas tree shop at your door.

B (32:09)

Thank you, sir. I wouldn't. Yeah. You know, but whatever. It was a turkey love. That was a butterball.

A (32:15)

Okay. That's nice.

B (32:15)

Better.

A (32:16)

What happened to that, man?

B (32:17)

Don't know. That's a good question.

A (32:20)

We don't know.

B (32:20)

Don't know.

A (32:21)

We don't remember anything.

B (32:22)

But it's, like, kind of funny. I like that. Yeah. And God.

A (32:27)

Any horror stories.

B (32:28)

I know. Horror stories. I know.

A (32:30)

I'm sure it's always hard to remember them on the spot, though. Like, you'll leave here and be like, damn it. I just thought of the.

B (32:35)

Have yours, like, just ready to go.

A (32:37)

I mean, I feel like I've talked about a couple in podcasts before, so I always feel like a broken record. But I haven't. Luckily, I haven't had any new ones. New bad ones or new amazing ones, I guess. But I don't know. The one that I always remember is I went on a date with an actor out here in la. At Laurel Hardware.

B (32:52)

Yeah.

A (32:53)

We were at the bar, which is, like, so busy. Yeah. And he was fresh out of a divorce. I think he was kind of nervous. So he was slamming drinks.

B (33:00)

Oh, no.

A (33:00)

And he started telling me how he does his own stunts. And he got up and he started acting out a stunt and he ran into a waitress.

B (33:07)

No.

A (33:08)

And I mean, it was the whole. And I creating such a scene. And I was like, please just sit the fuck down. And I just was like, oh. But hammered. So I never saw him again.

B (33:17)

I. And especially, like, as you get older, do you find, like, super drunk, hammered people such a turn off. Yeah.

A (33:24)

It's. To me, it's also like a weakness slash insecurity. Like, what are you running from? Why do you feel like you have to get hammered still?

B (33:32)

I know.

A (33:32)

As an adult.

B (33:33)

Yeah.

A (33:33)

And a drunk guy is just, oh, such an ick.

B (33:36)

I know, I know.

A (33:37)

So you don't really Drink.

B (33:39)

I never have.

A (33:40)

Oh, really?

B (33:41)

Alcohol. I know. Good for you. Good for you.

A (33:43)

That's great. Yeah, that is great. So not even like, one glass of wine or anything?

B (33:47)

Like, once in a while. But it takes a lot for me. Like, it's a mission for me to finish that glass. Yeah.

A (33:52)

That's so good. I sleep like shit when I drink, so it has to be, like, everything has to align for me to have a fun night. Otherwise, it's like, it's just not worth it for me.

B (34:00)

Yeah. But. And a lot of people need that to kind of loosen up and be social.

A (34:04)

Yeah.

B (34:04)

You know?

A (34:05)

Well, on a date, sometimes it is nice.

B (34:07)

Yeah.

A (34:08)

But, like, one or two. I'm not trying to get after it on a date.

B (34:11)

Right.

A (34:12)

Act like an idiot.

B (34:15)

All right.

A (34:15)

We can get off the dating stuff.

B (34:17)

What? I know. I'm like. I have. I. I'm gonna think of stuff, though.

A (34:19)

You let me know when you're back. Back out there and you've got some good stories. I'll be like, no, I think it's good. You're. Honestly, it's an inspiration because it tells girls you don't have. Like, you can be okay being on your own and being single and be very happy.

B (34:32)

No. Yeah. And be super content. I think that's, like, the best thing to do, especially if you want to jump back in, is to get to that spot first. Is probably a good. Good idea.

A (34:41)

Agreed. Being happy on your own.

B (34:43)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (34:43)

Because then you'll attract a different kind of person who's in a similar vibe.

B (34:47)

Yeah.

A (34:48)

Which is important.

B (34:49)

Totally. Yeah.

A (34:49)

You're not just trying to fill because.

B (34:51)

Like, unavailable guys are, like, super attractive for so long, and then it's just.

A (34:54)

Like, isn't it so nice when you can finally, like, change that? And then you start attracting then.

B (34:59)

Yeah. And then you're like, wait, you're too available.

A (35:01)

No, too nice and available.

B (35:02)

Nothing ever is good enough.

A (35:04)

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B (39:50)

Oh, my God. It's hard to say, like, anything that my daughter wasn't a part of. Yeah. Because that's like my greatest thing.

A (39:57)

Yeah.

B (39:57)

You know, it's just. It just makes life. And I know you can relate, like, having kids, it just makes life so much. And look, and if people, you know, they don't have kids or don't want kids, doesn't mean that you're not going to have like an amazing life, but. Right. It just kind of changes things where, like, oh, this is what it's about for me.

A (40:18)

Yeah. You found purpose when you became a mom.

B (40:21)

Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing cooler to watch this little human, like, grow up and become a person. And I know. And sometimes it's hard, like helping them navigate things and seeing what life can be like and them learning that life isn't always fair or it can be scary and. I know. But, yeah, I would say for sure. Yeah.

A (40:39)

So in your mom era.

B (40:41)

Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

A (40:42)

Yeah, I know. It's like, as a mom, you don't want them to feel any pain, like, physical or emotional. You want to shield them.

B (40:49)

How many times do you want to, like, kill other children?

A (40:51)

Oh, my God. But you also know it's like that's actually the best thing for them to figure out. Yeah.

B (40:58)

But it's hard.

A (40:59)

I know. They're like little pieces of your heart just running around the world. It's so hard.

B (41:03)

So hard.

A (41:04)

You know?

B (41:04)

And you have three. Yeah.

A (41:06)

Yeah, I. I know, I know. But it's kind of nice too, because they look out for each other as much as they, like, hate each other, you know, so they say. But they, when it matters, they're always there for each other and have each other's backs. It's really sweet. Especially at school.

B (41:18)

Yeah.

A (41:18)

Or like in a social setting, which I love.

B (41:20)

Right. That's the one thing is, like, because I grew up with a brother. Yeah. And just wanting her to have a sibling, to kind of have that. So that's been the one thing for me that's been kind of hard to let go of. Yeah. You know, but now she's already 11, so even if there was another kid, they're so far apart, it would almost.

A (41:36)

Be like two separate families anyways.

B (41:37)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (41:38)

That's true. Well, for whatever reason, her journey and your journey is supposed to be this.

B (41:42)

Yeah. Right, right.

A (41:44)

I'm sure there's different lessons in there for both of you, for sure.

B (41:47)

So. Yeah.

A (41:47)

It's all good. Yeah, it's all good.

B (41:49)

I don't complain about it.

A (41:50)

What advice would you give your younger self? Do you get asked that question a lot in interviews?

B (41:54)

I mean, I think maybe, like, you.

A (41:56)

Know, I get asked sometimes.

B (41:57)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (41:58)

But I like that. I do like this question.

B (42:00)

Yeah.

A (42:00)

That's why I was excited to ask you. Like, let's say you're 18, 19, 20 year old, like that phase of your life. What advice would you give?

B (42:07)

Oh, my God. What advice would I give myself? I think like starting earlier to not care what other people think.

A (42:18)

That's a good one.

B (42:19)

Well, that's like a big thing, I think, especially for a young girl. You're so focused on the outer and it doesn't matter. And like, it's so cool, like getting older as a woman and being like, feeling good about who you are, what you look like, how you carry yourself and like, not paying attention to, like, all the other stuff that's out there and being, you know, thrown at you.

A (42:41)

Yes.

B (42:42)

Or wanting to, like, these expectations or these certain things. And I think if you learn that younger, if I could. Could have the same mentality I have now, like, what that would have looked like. Right. You know, as a young adult.

A (42:59)

That's such a good answer.

B (43:01)

Well, it's just.

A (43:02)

It's so true.

B (43:03)

It's so true.

A (43:04)

You know, the quicker you can learn that, the better.

B (43:06)

You get so caught up in all the shit.

A (43:08)

I know. How, like, how's your journey been to getting to this point now of not caring what other people think? Like, when did you actually start to understand that?

B (43:18)

So, okay, this is kind of a motto that my family always says. And this comes from. I told my daughter this the other day at dinner. We were sitting there, and when my grandmother died, who I was very close to, I was 21, I think. And we were at her funeral, and her best friend, like, we were in the bathroom after at the reception, and I was so upset and distraught. Minnie was her name. She walks out of the bathroom stall, and she was like, oh, honey, I'm so sorry about your grandmother. And I was, like, crying. She was like, well, what are you gonna do? And, like, walked out of the bathroom, and I was like, wait, what?

A (43:53)

Like, oh, my God. No, I know, but it's, like, the.

B (43:56)

Best story because that's how. Like, that's our. My family, we always say, and it's our motto. And I was talking to my daughter about something in particular, and I told her the whole story, and I was like, this is why we say that.

A (44:07)

Yeah.

B (44:08)

And it's like, all one word. Ah, well, what are you gonna do?

A (44:10)

Well, because it's true.

B (44:12)

I know. So that's kind of like, goes with, like, you know. Yeah.

A (44:15)

Like, other people's opinions.

B (44:16)

Like. Yeah, anything. It applies to everything.

A (44:19)

Yeah, it does. I like that. It's also, like, just. Just moving on from, you know, like, okay, there's something you can do. Let's pick.

B (44:26)

No control. It is what it is.

A (44:27)

Yeah. Oh, I like that. That is really good.

B (44:29)

Yeah.

A (44:31)

Where do you feel most like yourself? Is it at home being mom? Is it on set? Is it doing your podcast?

B (44:37)

Oh, my God, this is so funny. Okay. So my daughter and I started watching Dancing with the Stars for the first time this season.

A (44:43)

Yeah.

B (44:43)

So fun.

A (44:44)

So good. Yeah.

B (44:45)

And for her birthday, I took her to the finale.

A (44:48)

Oh, cute.

B (44:48)

And. I know. So cute.

A (44:50)

That's so funny. Oh, my God.

B (44:52)

It, like, was the best night ever. She had so much fun. We loved it. And I remember always watching that show being like, that looks so scary. And once we were there and there were all the cameras, I'm like, it feels like a set.

A (45:06)

Yes.

B (45:06)

This doesn't feel that scary. Yeah. So I think for me, like, are.

A (45:10)

You gonna do it?

B (45:11)

No, no, you should do it for you.

A (45:13)

I Did it a thousand years ago.

B (45:15)

You did?

A (45:15)

Yeah. I mean, like, literally. Hold on. I think I was 24, so, I mean, like a long ass time ago.

B (45:22)

How. Where'd you go?

A (45:23)

Three episodes.

B (45:24)

KM do you know how badly I want to watch your season? I mean, who was your partner?

A (45:31)

Mark Ballas. It was so good. He's so good. He's the best.

B (45:34)

Oh, my God. I always tell Briar, I'm like, I'll only go on if I could have Mark or Val.

A (45:38)

You could probably request him. I think I requested Mark.

B (45:40)

Did you?

A (45:40)

Yeah. I don't.

B (45:41)

Oh, my God.

A (45:41)

I want to watch your season.

B (45:42)

You can't watch old seasons, though. We tried. We tried to watch this other season.

A (45:46)

Well, they're on YouTube, but they are. Don't feel like you.

B (45:48)

Oh, my God. Kristen, I have to watch. Of course you should do it. I know, it's like, you'd be good. No, I. I'm. I would get so dizzy.

A (45:57)

Your daughter would love it.

B (45:58)

She could come. Everyone keeps being like, it's your daughter's favorite show, but it does.

A (46:02)

It does look like a set. Well, and you know, it looks. Everything is smaller in person.

B (46:06)

No, I know. And I was like, oh, my God. This doesn't feel as scary and intimidating as I thought watching it.

A (46:11)

Right.

B (46:12)

Which it still is, of course. You're like, dancing while. But my point is, for whatever reason I feel. Not for whatever reason, I do feel comfortable on a set. Yeah, there's cameras and stuff. But if that would be like, on a stage, you know, like an actual stage and not cameras. Right. I would freak out.

A (46:28)

So you could never do Broadway?

B (46:30)

I mean. No, I wish I could do Broadway.

A (46:32)

I know. That scares the shit out of me, too.

B (46:33)

I did. I did plays in high school. Like, I. Hypothetically, I think I would love to. Yeah. But I also think I would shit my pants.

A (46:40)

But maybe that's why you should do it. Because you should go towards the fear.

B (46:44)

No, that's the other thing. But then you get comfortable.

A (46:46)

I know. And you're like, I know.

B (46:48)

What's your thing that you.

A (46:50)

So my. I did a podcast tour last spring.

B (46:52)

Oh, okay.

A (46:53)

Scariest thing I've ever done. Really? Yeah.

B (46:55)

Because live shows.

A (46:55)

Yeah. So same thing. Cameras all day.

B (46:58)

Right.

A (46:58)

Any day. All day. It doesn't make me nervous at all. But a live audience with it just being me and my words was scariest thing I've ever done. But I did it. And Rachel, I can tell you, I came off of that tour being like, I can do funky anything. So I feel like, maybe you should get back into that.

B (47:17)

You know what I can relate that to when I was a kid. I would not go on upside down roller coasters.

A (47:23)

Yeah.

B (47:23)

And then I kissed my first boy and I was like, I can do anything. And it went on upside down roller coaster.

A (47:29)

It's exactly the same thing. I love that.

B (47:32)

No, but it's true. Like, you do something you're scared of. Like, I was petrified of kissing a boy. Yes. And in sixth grade. Yeah. You know, behind the library. And then I was like, off to the races. I love it.

A (47:41)

I had my first kiss in sixth grade too.

B (47:43)

You did? Yeah.

A (47:44)

And Jackson just told me he had his first kiss.

B (47:46)

Oh, so he talks to you.

A (47:48)

Yes. So by the way, amazing. He had his first kiss and he called me that night and I was like, I've done something right as a mom that my 11 year old boy wants absolutely have me be the first call from his first kiss.

B (48:00)

That is.

A (48:01)

I know.

B (48:01)

I mean, that's like a real proud moment.

A (48:03)

It makes me so happy.

B (48:05)

Yeah.

A (48:05)

They tell me stuff. They enjoy talking to me still, which I'm like, just. I hope it stays like that throughout. Well, forever. But you know, throughout, when they really.

B (48:12)

Need to talk about things.

A (48:13)

Yeah.

B (48:14)

And you know, experiences and everything.

A (48:16)

And I never want them to be scared to come to me. I'm like, I always want you guys to be safe. That's my goal. So if you get yourself into a pickle, please call me instead of trying to get your own way out of it or whatever. Right. I never would have called my parents. Did you call your parents?

B (48:29)

Yeah, I would have called my mom.

A (48:30)

You would have.

B (48:31)

We had a very open household, like talk about everything, like I was saying before. So. Yeah. If there was ever a time like you don't feel safe or whatever. So I think having that relationship is so important.

A (48:40)

I agree.

B (48:40)

There's gonna be so many high school parties or like whatever where you need out.

A (48:45)

Yes.

B (48:45)

Don't feel afraid to call.

A (48:47)

Call me. I know. I just wanna keep you guys safe.

B (48:49)

I know.

A (48:50)

Were your parents ever worried about you when you were getting into trouble, like around 14 and your car accident and everything?

B (48:56)

Probably. I mean, my poor mother. I mean, she was a single mom at the time and my dad was around, but he was away working a lot. So I think for her, you know, we were always hanging out at our house, all the kids.

A (49:08)

Oh, that's good.

B (49:09)

So that was a good thing, you know. But also, you know, we were doing what kids do.

A (49:15)

I know. I want my house to be the House that everyone wants to come to.

B (49:18)

Right.

A (49:18)

Yeah. I just. Yeah. Again. Because I was horrible. I know what's going on. I know. We all know what's going on.

B (49:26)

Yeah. So. Yeah.

A (49:27)

I just want everyone alive. That's my goal. Seriously.

B (49:30)

I know. It's so scary.

A (49:31)

It is scary. It's really scary having kids. And when they start driving.

B (49:34)

Oh, my God. All of it.

A (49:36)

It's all.

B (49:36)

I know.

A (49:37)

It is a lot.

B (49:38)

Yeah. We think about what we did in high school. I know.

A (49:40)

And kids are always one step ahead, too. You know, it's like, I remember my mom saying that, too. But you know where I'm like, I used to sneak out a lot, and I'm like, well, now I have. You know, you can put the beeps on all your doors and, you know.

B (49:52)

But like, trackers on your children.

A (49:54)

They always figure it out. So what they do is now, by the way. And my kids tell me this. There's two things. So if you have 360, that app that can track them. I know what that is.

B (50:03)

Okay.

A (50:03)

It's an app that you can track them. They've figured out how to pause it so that you think they're at the same spot. And what the high school kids are.

B (50:10)

Doing, kind of like proud, impressed a little bit. The kids can do that. You're like, oh, that's smart. Also.

A (50:16)

Thank you for telling me. Yeah. But. And then we had a babysitter who was 16, and she told my kids, and then they told me that she has a bat phone. And what the kids do is they leave their phone that their parents are tracking them with, and they have their other phone just to be like, okay, come pick me up, or whatever.

B (50:30)

So they're still doing all the same.

A (50:31)

They're doing all the things. We think they're just sleeping over at a friend's. Nope.

B (50:35)

Oh, my God.

A (50:36)

That's ridiculous.

B (50:37)

That is ridiculous. Do they have phones? Yeah. All of them?

A (50:41)

Yeah. I didn't want my younger two having them. My oldest was 12 when he got one.

B (50:45)

Got it.

A (50:45)

But I only have so much say.

B (50:47)

Yeah. You know, Right? Yeah.

A (50:49)

That's hard. Does your daughter have one? No. I'm so, so happy for you about that.

B (50:55)

I'm so anti. Like, I just want to hold it.

A (50:58)

Off as long as you're so smart. Because once they have em.

B (51:01)

I know.

A (51:01)

Game over.

B (51:02)

I know.

A (51:03)

How old do you think you'll wait until she is?

B (51:05)

She's already. She's like high school. And I was like, we'll talk when.

A (51:09)

You'Re a senior in high School.

B (51:10)

I know. One year in college.

A (51:12)

No, it's good, though.

B (51:13)

I just want to hold off as long as possible. And I keep telling her, like, you won't have apps and all these things, you know? And then she's like, but, mom, what about music? She's trying to find loopholes. And I think, you know, her and her. Her dad and I are pretty aligned on all that stuff, so that's helpful.

A (51:28)

That's great. Yeah, that's great.

B (51:29)

Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully it stays that way, because I really want to hold off, make it.

A (51:34)

Wait as long as humanly possible.

B (51:35)

Can you imagine, like, going through high school with Instagram?

A (51:39)

No, there's. There's no way.

B (51:40)

I don't think, like. No, that is even, like, seeing friends hanging out and you're not.

A (51:45)

Like, there's no way.

B (51:47)

Hard.

A (51:48)

It's so hard. I mean, the friend thing, figuring out that you're left out, but also the body image.

B (51:54)

Oh, no, that stuff is the worst. Just.

A (51:55)

It's just too much for these kids. Too much kids.

B (51:59)

No, there's, like, countries that are banning social media, 15 or 16, and I want to say it's like New Zealand or. I don't know.

A (52:06)

That's how it should be.

B (52:07)

It's how it should be.

A (52:08)

It should honestly be 18, but.

B (52:09)

Norwegian country. Yeah, it should be.

A (52:11)

Yeah.

B (52:11)

But, yeah, I wholeheartedly support it.

A (52:14)

I know. And there's. I mean, like, I will say I've got all these parental controls and stuff.

B (52:18)

But still, it's just only so much you can do. Yeah.

A (52:20)

And the fact that they've got phones and they're attached to these phones, and I have to physically take them away to get them off of them.

B (52:26)

Have you heard of that brick thing that you can have in your house? No. It, like, locks certain apps when they leave the house. Like, they can't go on social media. Like, it'll only let you access, like, maps and your phone.

A (52:37)

Oh, no.

B (52:38)

Yeah.

A (52:39)

I'm going to look this up.

B (52:40)

I know. That's what I was like. If it's ever a smartphone, I feel like that's. Yeah.

A (52:44)

Because you got to have some sort of limit.

B (52:47)

Yeah, yeah.

A (52:48)

Parameters.

B (52:48)

Yeah. You can control what other kids do. Like, they'll be around, whatever, but.

A (52:51)

Right.

B (52:52)

Do your best to. It's.

A (52:54)

It's hard raising kids in this age.

B (52:56)

Yeah.

A (52:57)

It's just a lot.

B (52:58)

No, it's so much. And there's all these things, like, promoting, like, growing up in the 90s, like, what it was like. And I know.

A (53:04)

I love seeing those.

B (53:05)

Me, too. Yeah. I got Briar. Like, I got her a boombox and, like, you know, like, I'm trying. And a land. We have a landline, but, like, I.

A (53:12)

Love that you have a landline.

B (53:14)

We've always have.

A (53:15)

That's great. Yeah. I thought about getting one.

B (53:17)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (53:18)

I know. Just the simpler times.

B (53:20)

Simple.

A (53:22)

Yeah.

B (53:22)

Yeah. That's just. I love that.

A (53:24)

Good for you.

B (53:24)

Yeah.

A (53:25)

Stand strong on that.

B (53:26)

Trying. It's gonna be a battle.

A (53:28)

Yeah. But it's gonna be worth it in the end. And then when she becomes an adult and gets it, she's gonna. Thank you.

B (53:32)

Yes.

A (53:32)

I really think that.

B (53:33)

Yeah.

A (53:33)

So.

B (53:34)

I think so. I hope so.

A (53:35)

Okay. I want to play a game with you.

B (53:36)

Yes.

A (53:36)

Even though, I mean, you know, you're not really dating, but let's just say whatever. Okay. It's called hot or not. I'm gonna give you scenarios.

B (53:43)

Okay.

A (53:43)

Potential scenarios with men. And I just want you to tell me if you think it's hot or not.

B (53:46)

Okay. Okay.

A (53:47)

He has four kids.

B (53:52)

I'm like, but how old are they? I want to know more information, details. Yeah, I know.

A (53:57)

Let's say they're a little bit older, so you don't have to. But what if they were younger?

B (54:01)

Right.

A (54:02)

Okay, great. So we're open.

B (54:03)

Sure.

A (54:03)

Okay. He's an actor.

B (54:06)

Not. I say that and then you look at my track record and it's literally.

A (54:11)

Isn't that the truth? I know. Okay, but why do you say not? Some are great, some are great.

B (54:16)

I think it's the stereotype. When you hear that, it automatically goes to maybe, you know, not the type of person that you would go after. Yeah. Yeah. But apparently I do.

A (54:29)

I get it. I know. I know. He's a massive stoner.

B (54:35)

Not hot. But also, I'm like, whatever.

A (54:38)

Okay, so you don't really care.

B (54:39)

I don't really care.

A (54:40)

Okay.

B (54:40)

Do you smoke pot?

A (54:41)

I mean, I can take that out if you want.

B (54:43)

No, I mean, I used to all the time. Yeah. Haven't in a long time.

A (54:47)

Yeah. I hate it. You hate it? Yeah, I hate it.

B (54:49)

Gives you anxiety.

A (54:50)

Yeah. I over analyze everything and then I'm like, it's awful. But I loved it. Like in high school, of course. Laugh and have fun. And then I don't know when it turned, but.

B (54:57)

Oh, yeah, I was major in high school. Yeah.

A (55:00)

I think that's just.

B (55:00)

Yeah.

A (55:01)

What you do. I just found my yearbook right before my high school reunion. And, like, every entry was like, I love smoking bowls with you. I was like, God, how much pot was I smoking?

B (55:09)

Like, everything. Oh, my God.

A (55:11)

Yeah. Okay. You kind of answered this earlier, but he wants more kids with you.

B (55:16)

Oh, I don't know. I. That. That's too hard of a question. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

A (55:21)

Too many variables.

B (55:23)

You're a not.

A (55:24)

I would be a not. I am not having more kids.

B (55:27)

There's no. I'm not having more kids.

A (55:28)

Right.

B (55:29)

There's just.

A (55:29)

No. There's no way. Okay. He tells you he loves you on the third date.

B (55:33)

Not.

A (55:34)

Okay. Because that's like love bombish.

B (55:36)

It feels love bombish. Have you been love bomb?

A (55:39)

Yeah, like, come on thick, man. Yeah. Yeah.

B (55:42)

They come on thick, and you're like, something isn't right here. Yeah.

A (55:44)

Like, you don't even know me yet. You don't even know you love me.

B (55:47)

Like, don't. Yeah, yeah. It's so alarming.

A (55:50)

Very alarming.

B (55:51)

Okay. Big old red. Red.

A (55:52)

Big old. He's never been married and he doesn't have any kids.

B (55:57)

Great. Great. I mean. Yeah. I love that. Okay.

A (56:00)

Okay.

B (56:00)

I love it.

A (56:01)

His mom lives in his guest house.

B (56:03)

Aw. But, like, what kind of mom? You like how you're just, like, hot or not. And I have so many, like, questions.

A (56:11)

How old is she?

B (56:12)

Yeah, I'm like, do I like her? Are we gonna, like, hang out? Watch?

A (56:18)

Okay. So we could go either way.

B (56:20)

Okay.

A (56:21)

What if they're together all the time? She's, like, very involved.

B (56:24)

It's like the Friends episode where the brother and sister are a little too fast.

A (56:28)

Like, she's, like, very involved.

B (56:29)

Very involved.

A (56:30)

Always around.

B (56:31)

I mean, that's hard. Yeah, but I'm pretty easy.

A (56:35)

Yeah.

B (56:35)

You see?

A (56:35)

Yeah, just laid back.

B (56:37)

Whatever, whatever. Like the worst in the game.

A (56:43)

He also has a podcast.

B (56:45)

Okay.

A (56:46)

Don't care.

B (56:47)

What's it about? Are you funny? Just make you just the details matter.

A (56:53)

Details matter. Okay. Next time we'll have more details for you. I love you. Tell everyone where they can listen to your podcast. Your podcast is great. And then also just in general, where they can find you.

B (57:05)

Okay. Where they can find.

A (57:07)

Where they can give my address.

B (57:09)

Right. Ideas. You can listen to wherever you listen to your podcast. It's also on YouTube if you want to watch. And I only have Instagram. I don't have tick tock or anything else.

A (57:18)

And just your name. Just Rachel.

B (57:19)

Rachel Bilson.

A (57:20)

Yeah.

B (57:21)

Yep, that's my name. There you go on the gram. There you go. So simple. Like, there's, like, nothing really.

A (57:26)

I know.

B (57:26)

Whatever. But I'm working on some things. I'll be doing other things in the future. Yay. Excited.

A (57:33)

It's so good to see you.

B (57:34)

It's so good.

A (57:35)

I love you, too.

B (57:36)

I love you, too. This was so fun. So fun.

A (57:38)

Thanks for coming.

B (57:39)

Thanks for having me.

A (57:48)

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