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Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari
Rewriting Your Reality: A Deep Dive Into Hypnotherapy with Kristen Eykel
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The following podcast is a Dr. Media production.
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This is, let's be honest with Kristen Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality tv, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Cause I got all the power.
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Yep.
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Welcome in. Today is potentially my favorite episode that I've ever done. I've talked about her so many times on this podcast. I have my hypnotherapist, Kristin Eichel on today for one of my absolute favorite conversations. She is one of the most fascinating, incredible, empowering women on the planet. So please, please enjoy this episode.
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Let's go.
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Okay. Kristen, I am so excited you're here. It's such a trip because we've worked together for years, but we've never actually met in person. We've done everything on Zoom, which I think speaks to the power of what you do. Yeah, but. Okay, so I've talked about you a lot on the podcast and about hypnotherapy and how it's changed my life. I want you, though, in your words, to explain what hypnotherapy is, because I do think there is kind of a misconception out there about it.
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Really good question. I think a lot of the misconception that you might be alluding to, correct me if I'm wrong, is that it's somehow like mind control. This, like, Bengali, I'm gonna make you do something that is against your will. Okay, that is completely not possible because I always operate from the level of agreement. And so you'll hear me say, does that resonate with your knowing? Is this a yes for you? Yes or no? I always ask for the agreement because if it's not an agreement, we're not going anywh like any other relationship. Right. So it has to be based upon trust, number one. Number two, the way I operate. And I started my training in the early 90s, so it's been like almost 35 years I've been doing this. I will just say, and I've really noticed my own practice, my own experience of it evolving and changing. But fundamentally, let's look at hypnotherapy as a brainwave state. So normal, everyday consciousness. Here we are, we're in beta. We can remember where we parked our car, we can remember the thing we're do later, we can have a normal, everyday conversation. The moment we kind of tip our eyes up to the left and like, oh, when I was a kid, I had a pony. Okay, now we're starting to go into alpha. It's like active, awake, but we're also in that sort of daydreaming state. Like if you're reading a really good book and nobody's like, you can't get anyone's attention. That's alpha. Okay, when we close our eyes, take a breath and relax in, you can follow along at home. And we really start to kind of drop down into the body and we arrest all this outside information of that sort of visual information. We start to tap in with the, with the heart coherence, with our breath, with our exterior and interior in alignment. Then we start to slip into what's called the theta brainwave state. And the theta brainwave state is like, it's that place where babies are born. The first three years of give or take of a baby's life is in the theta brainwave state, which is why they can pick up languages, they learn how to operate the body. Everything that they're in this like fast forward building. That's why they say the baby's personality is developed by the first three years. That's why you're in theta. However, when we want to kind of get behind the scenes and work on the os, the operating system, we have to get into the theta brainwave state. And so that's where we can start to open up the unconscious, the deeper conscious, the higher consciousness. Now in my early practice, I did a lot of work with like, what can we do? Let's play crazy games. You know, I wasn't working with clients. It was for me, it was my game. I had my whole media career. So I didn't need to do this as my job. It was just for fun. And I really began discovering sort of again way back in the 90s, that time was not linear and the experience of the I and the self was not necessarily an individual practice. Now this also emerged through, you know, my work in shamanism and other things, where I really began to experience the multidimensional nature of our experience, which is not just this linear. I see you, you see me. We are bodies in space at separation, which is how we're kind of taught to believe there's a before, there's a middle, there's a to come. And we can stress about the future, but when we really tap into where we are in the now, then we can kind of like, I sort of imagine like turning inwards into this library that then opens up into this like massive experience, you'll correct me if I'm wrong, where suddenly you can access Any time, any space. And it's not just like a memory of, like, oh, I remember my third birthday. It's more like, I am here. I am re feeling. Revisiting the sensations, the experience, the emotions, the state of being in that.
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Yes.
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Now, what's really fascinating, challenging is a lot of times little people or people who've had a lot of trauma or challenges, they've checked out of their bodies. So if people have had a lot of, like, I don't really remember my childhood, there's big gaps or what? Oftentimes it's because children, not even from trauma, just because they're a little bit lighter in their essence than others, they have a hard time really anchoring in the body. So there may be, like, spaces where they're separated from the body. Also, what I have found in my work, especially if we can find someone who's got a thing like, I don't know, I've never felt accepted. I've never really felt in my power. It's never been there. And we kind of keep going back to, like, what happened when you were a kid, what happened when you were a baby, what happened between your parents? Okay. Then I will ask what happened before you were born? And I will have the person go back into literally when they were in utero and find out what was going on in the mother situation, what was being said to her, what was she experiencing and feeling. Because the baby cannot differentiate between me and thee. We are us, we are one. And so if mom is having a big issue, baby is having the issue. And then baby grows up believing that's who I am because it was sort of encoded in them before birth.
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Wow.
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Now, let's say sometimes that that's completely fine and that's not where the issue comes from. I will then just say, okay, let's go to the time and space that most appropriately address is what you're experiencing now. Boom. Where are you? First thing that comes up and you walk in the room like, oh, my gosh, I am on rough boards and I'm in a little hut and I'm in a village. And okay, whatever, whatever. And then we start to experience these, what I call alternate timelines, where there's a lot of information and a lot of power that all of us have in one degree or another that comes through. And then we can start to get context. Oh, that's why I've had a proclivity towards healing. Or that's why I've been afraid of fire. Cause I remember being burned at the stake. Have Those memories. So there's interesting things that we can start to uncover and unpack when we just allow our essence, or, you know, your higher self, your deeper knowing, whatever you want to call it, to share and like, really speak to that. So how I work with hypnotherapy is not just, I'm going to re pattern your programs. You don't want to bite your nails, you don't want to smoke, whatever. I'm just going to like, give you a hack to reprogram. I find that to be the least interesting part of it. But really, like, what is your inner essence? Want your Kristen today to know? If Kristen today could tap into that, that would like, be her yummiest, juiciest, most delicious self. What would that be? That's what I find fascinating. And that then gives you practical tools to go about your daily life with the gritty, shiny yumminess that you are.
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Exactly. So perfectly said. I love it so much. Well, that's what I love so much about the work that we do is you are the guide. But you, you guide me or whoever to the information, and we own the information. Like, we get to it ourselves, which is so empowering. It's very different than like a medium, let's say who. They just sort of like give you the answers, but you get us there, which I just love. And you're okay. Are you talking about past life regressions sometimes? Right?
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Yeah. I don't like to call it past life regression. That's why I call it alternate timeline. And the reason being. Thank you for saying that. The reason being is that implies that it's in the past. Oh, ding, ding, ding. Okay. But it's actually concentric. It's actually, you know, if we could. All right, this is the visual aid to give. So just sort of imagine the timeline. So 1492 today. Next we have this line. Now take that line and kind of like exponentially expand it open. That's how I see time. Time is this multi dimensional experience. It's all happening simultaneously. So that's why our trauma is like activated now. Because it's not. That's why our unfinished business is activated now. So when your partner or your best friend says that thing, you instantly go into that moment because that moment is available to be instantly gone into. Right. So I don't like to call it past life, even though that's kind of the common name. Thank you, Dr. Raymond Moody, for bringing that information out. He was one of my first teachers in that work as well. But really looking at it into the Alternate timeline. So what I think, how I view it is that they're, I'll call them adhesions. So, like, these timelines sometimes get stuck together. And where they get stuck together, there's an adhesion point. And every time you come into something that vibrates, that adhesion point, it activates, it activates, it activates again and again. So I want to go and I want to unstick those so that you can have an individual experience now in this timeline of Earth as we experience it now, without being influenced negatively by the unfinished business, number one, or still keeping and bringing in those wonderful benefits that are already yours that you can use in this timeline.
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That's so cool.
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I know it's a little abstract, but that's what it looks like.
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Well, and when we started doing the work together, I remember the concept of time not being a real concept was a tricky one for me to really wrap my head around. I think I asked you about it a thousand times, so. And I think you gave me this visualization of being in a room and like a sticking point in the center of the room. Explain that. So for the people that are listening at home that are like, what the hell are they talking about? How can you really explain that concept that time is not real?
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Okay, I will say that time is a perception. It's as real as we make it. Right. So I was late to come here, which is in human time. That's a thing? Yes, that's an agreement that we have about a certain time. Oh, Thursday at 2 o'. Clock. That's an agreement of time. Yeah. Just as we have the agreement of I give you $5, you give me a sandwich. We operate on agreement in this timeline, in this dimension, in this reality that we have, we operate on agreement. But when we start to remember that the perception of time that we on Earth have and perceive is based upon wherever you are on the globe, as the globe turns in relationship to the sun, in relationship to her ellipses around the sun in any given timeline and where you are in terms of the rotation of the Earth closest to the sun, or how it turns different from the sun, all of these things, right? How the moon moves around us, all these things. It's a relational thing. Time is relativity. It's relational to where you are. So if I throw a ball from here to there, it's relational for how far there is. If I'm running for a long period of time, it's relational about how far I've gone based upon the mile markers I've gone So we use time therapeutically so we don't get lost in this dimension, I think that's valuable. But when we can sort of step out of that and we're in the non dimensional space, so we're not in this sort of like earth based level anymore. We're kind of in that sort of like pregnant void, that space where all is possible, that space of the higher mind where we experience that we're one. Where we experience that there's that there that we're not separated, that we're whole. When we experience that, we're whole. Let me just come back to that in one second. Our experience of separation is based upon being human. It's not actual, it's a perception. Just like time, just like space, like linear space, it is actually a perception. We are actually deeply connected. Our trees, our plants, our animals, the water, the breath, all of the cosmos, it is all one fabric. We are not separate than that. So when we start to get into that remembrance, it's because we've sort of allowed that humanness, like a shell to fall off and that nugget, that real meat within to be revealed, it's always there. I just help people to kind of peel away that sort of extraneous cover that has kind of kept us locked and afraid and feeling calcified and alone and separate and scared, which is a control mechanism, different conversation. But when we move that away, what's automatically there is wholeness. What's automatically there is oneness. What's automatically there is life. So in that sense there's no time because you can immediately be there right now.
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Right?
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Nothing special has to happen to you in order for that to emerge. Which means it's already present right now.
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Oh, I love that.
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Does that answer your question?
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So I think the reason why any of us become healers, first of all, like the reason why any of us do anything that we have is because it speaks to us ourselves. Like we have an experience of it. We need something to be healed or unraveled or explored. So I started modeling very young. It found me and like a lot of us, you know, it finds us like, you know, like the path is set before you. At a certain point it finds you. And I think especially, I call it front loaded. Especially when there's. When We're. And we have a lot of front loaded experiences, good, bad or otherwise. It really does kind of, I think, set the timber for the life to come. So my life was kind of front loaded with a lot of stuff. And in that, modeling really just became kind of the way forward. So I was a beauty queen at 12. And there's only so far you can go in the Miss America thing until you, like, get a toothpaste commercial and marry a senator. And then it's like, it's over. Like, you're over 26. I'm like, that's not gonna be my life. I'm sorry. And then modeling was like, oh, I can pay for college. Like, this is great. So. So modeling really became a way for me to kind of. I want to be a veterinarian. So I always wanted to be a healer. And then started college. There was a big event in New York that I went to. I won the big event. I got a big contract. I went to Japan. Started in Japan, then went to Paris, got a big contract, worked in Paris. And it was when I was working in Paris, and this was, you have to remember, Paris in the late 80s was sex, drugs and rock and roll.
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Oh, yeah.
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Let's just say that, like, it was. This was talk about lines being crossed.
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All over the place.
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Yeah. And very little recourse for any sort of support. Like, you either did it or you didn't. And that's just how it was. So I was very fortunate because I had a really solid group of friends. I'm such a cliche. My boyfriend was my agent. Oh, my God. Such a cliche. I know. But the good thing is it really insulated me. It protected me. So, like, I was like, I had, like a line drawn around me. Like I was safe. No one would mess with me in that sense. So that was really good. But because of all of that, I began to speak of myself in the third person. We took a lot of ecstasy, smoked a lot of hash. There was a lot of separation of the self. So I was not integrated. I was the opposite of embodied. And so for my. I don't know. In 1990, March of 1990, my best friend at the time, another model, she gave me my first teacher, which is called the Book of Yoga. I still have that book. Oh, wow. Sivananda Ashram. It's the whole thing. So I began doing Sivananda yoga in my living room nude. Nobody was doing nude yoga in the 90s. There was no yoga studios. Like, you didn't have yoga studios in Paris. In the 90s. So I just began doing yoga, and it was really a way for me to be like, oh, I have a body. Because up until then, my body was my commodity. It wasn't my safe place to live. It was not safe to be in my body because other things had happened that made me feel not safe. I had checked out of my body at a very young age, and I would continue to check out. So yoga became a way to kind of really start to live in my body. And then when I just sort of hit the wall in Paris, I'm like, if I keep doing this, I'm gonna die. I was having panic attacks. You know, talk about dysregulated eating. Oh, my God. Starving myself, the whole deal. So I was like, I can't. This is not healthy. I can't do this. I'm gonna die. So I left. I went to New York. Our agency had just opened up in New York. And fortunately, in the early 90s in New York, that was like the hotbed of the New age explosion. At that time, every teacher from every discipline all over the world was there. And I had the time and the resources and the energy to, like, go to classes and go to retreats and learn things. And so I began studying north and South American shamanism. And at that time, that became, like, a language that I felt I already knew, but just was becoming reacquainted with. Cool. So I began, you know, doing a lot of deep work with my teachers, traveling around the world with them, going down to Mexico and Hawaii and Spain and other places around the United States. Doing deep work, deep ceremony. Went down and did my music.
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When you say ceremony, you mean, like, plant medicine ceremonies?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah. So I went down to the Amateur in 1992 and did my ayahuasca journey. My first journey down there at that time. And this was like, people couldn't spell Amazon, much less ayahuasca at that time. They're like, where are you going? What are you doing? And so it was really quite transformational for me at the time, because what I like to tell people now especially, I'm not a giant advocate for plant medicine only because I know that we can do it within ourselves without it.
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This is what I always tell people, that the work we've done together is the information and the downloads that I've had are the exact same that my friends get from plant medicine.
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Yeah, the exact same. Because you have the receptors within you. You just need to get the doorway to unlock them. Now, the benefit about plant medicine, especially since it's been around for, you know, with human interaction with the plants, it's been this symbiotic relationship for thousands of years, for many, many, many, many millennia in the older paradigms of consciousness. This is my own personal belief. I'm not saying I'm right. It is that we needed a sledgehammer to pop a hole because this reality was so dense, so hard. It was so hard to be human. It was cold, you were hungry, you were itchy, you were bleeding, you died young, your teeth were falling out. It was hard.
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Yeah.
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And in order to really pop through and get to that side where you could experience the oneness, where you could really see kind of what the teachers talk about, what the indigenous elders sing about, like the idea of the oneness with, with the plants and the earth and knowing where the buffalo were. This was magic. This was the difference between surviving the winter or having your entire population die. So you needed that ally. You needed the shaman, you needed the ally to really bridge between the worlds, to bring back information, to help the people to survive. It was very powerful healing work, and it works. However, we have now sort of catapulted our consciousness. The evolutionary work that has been done in the last many decades of some phenomenal teachers who've been sort of paving the way for me and that I hope to pave the way for others, has really shifted the ability of our consciousness to have a lot more rapid transmission. Now we can get downloads, we can have knowings, we have instant communication. I'll give you an example. We've all heard the like dawning of the Age of Aquarius, right? So when we were moving out of the sort of pyramidical paradigm of the Piscean era, which is very a top down. So it was like God or Jesus or Yahweh or the Pope or the King or whatever. And then it sort of like trickled down to all these beings. And somewhere down here was here in the bottom the pyramid. And you couldn't wear certain things, you couldn't marry certain people, you couldn't do, forget man or woman. Like you couldn't literally couldn't get out of certain confines. And that was a very traditional archetype at that time. We've now been moving into the Aquarian. And the Aquarian, let's say it's sort of personified by like Google, where you have instant access to anything at any given time, good, bad or otherwise. You have the availability. So it went from a pyramid to sort of this more sort of expansive fabric. So because of that shift in our consciousness that allows us to kind of have this sort of greater expansive contact where we can have a zoom call from the other side of the world and be together in real time. That's very Aquarian. And so it allowed us to have the ability to generate the ideas that would create the technologies that would then shift the human consciousness that used the technologies, which then allows us to create new technologies, which allows us to shift our consciousness. So it really is this bridging, as I see it, between what we've downloaded. Like I'll make a thing called the whatever people then use it. It shifts how they think about the world, how they think about themselves. I mean, when I was coming up, we didn't have email, we didn't have the Internet, we didn't have like trolls, we didn't have social media. There was none of that. And so we didn't have that pressure or that anxiety about it. But we also didn't have that access.
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Right.
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So that's kind of the cool, I think, generation that's really happening is as our consciousness is shifting, we're able to create new things, we're able to connect in new ways. And I really see that the next kind of foundation of what we're mo. Because we are in this rapid state of consciousness and evolution, sort of social, spiritual, emotional, that old paradigm, that old boys club, that old. I don't mean that in terms of like men per se, but that masculine identity, that Yang energy, it is dissolving, it is disintegrating. We are watching it happen in real time. And I had a moment. I'm sure you've probably heard about, like timeline shifts and people talking about this stuff, right. So I was just in Florida and I had this moment where I was there and I was like sort of late at night and I'm kind of getting ready for bed. And you know, like, you kind of slip out of the daily consciousness into that sort of like half awareness consciousness. And I got this, like, my brain just suddenly went like. And I was like, timeline just shifted. Like, we just shifted out of something. Because going back to that idea of like in the 80s, like, it was totally fine for men to come up and just like grab you. That was totally fine. And then we moved into the idea of consent and me too. And really looking at where does that happen? And now we're kind of shifting into this whole paradigm where men are now getting to look at. At their wounding that caused them to be in that sense of separation from their own selves, which then translated into separation from women. Yeah. I mean, holy cannolis. That was not able to be seen from where we were in the 90s. That wasn't on the radar.
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No.
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Now it's happening and I look at what our children are gonna get to experience. Completely different thing. So I really do see this kind of coming together in community in a brand new way. So anything that we can do to dispel separation, anything we can do to override our fear, our lack, our concerns, our worries that keep us stuck and afraid, Anything that we can do that brings us into oneness and a little joy and a little play, actually a lot of joy in play really is the mechanism for the next growth and evolution.
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Well, so let's talk about that because I do feel like, well, I love hearing you say that because I love how positive you are about what's happening in the world. And I feel like I'm the same way. But I think understandably so. Some people are really focused on the negative right now. And if you watch the news or depending on what's going on in your life, it is a very dark world out there. And I don't watch the news anymore. And I'm very hyper aware of what I'm allowing into my particular world because I know through the work that we've done, you get to choose your reality. But so what is the right thing for people to be doing right now? How are we supposed to be living our lives with all of the darkness around us? What should people be focusing on and doing?
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I love that question so much. Goddess. So here's the thing. And I remember struggling with this again back in the 90s. I remember really, really struggling with this with my teachers and feeling like once you start to feel the oneness, you start to feel like, oh, there's lack and separation, there's people dying, there's starvation, there's war, there's real poverty. I mean, and I've traveled this world so much and I have seen the incredible extremes from the exorbitant flatulent wealth to the most sort of living with the earth extreme. And I was really feeling. Cause when we're empaths, you feel everything. I was really feeling this heartbreak of children being born into war torn areas or people just not having enough to support themselves or their families. And that was just decimating to my heart. And I remember my teachers, my elders were teaching me and they were saying, these are all part of the social contracts of the souls that have chosen to be born there. And that kind of goes against a lot of our sort of Judeo Christian ideas to think that we choose our birth, we choose the circumstances of our birth, the time, the people we'll be born into, and kind of like the sort of projected possibilities of what will happen in the time as it unfolds in our lifetime. Not that everything has to happen, but there are certain things that are more likely to happen. The people that you'll meet, that you'll marry, the children that you will birth, the kinds of career or opportunities or gifts or vocation you will explore. So in really understanding and having to deeply learn that there are people who have. For their own karmic journey, again, have your own feeling on this. I'm just sharing my own. But for their own karmic journey, would choose to be born in a disabled body in a war torn country, in a place of serious deprivation. It's not that that was a light, easy choice and it's not because they were paying a karmic debt from something else. I usually see it as a place of like immense love. We are going to be the witnesses, we are going to be the sacrifice. We are going to be the waving red flag that shows you. Look here. Here's the problem. I will go through this deprivation. I will go through this experience in order to raise a bigger social construct around it. And I still, you know, at times have to really kind of unpack that because it's a pretty deep concept to think about that. Yet what I know from the individuals I've worked for, worked with, that's what I hear from the individuals. The individual will invariably say, oh, I totally chose this. That experience had happened. That was the worst thing that ever happened. It actually was the best thing that happened. And so I teach people to look that your tormentor is your greatest.
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B
I have that written down. I was like, that's the best. Well, I've learned so many incredible things from you, but that's my favorite. It's changed my life.
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A
Because you've experienced it as being true, I imagine.
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B
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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A
It's not just pretty words. When you really get that your tormentor is the vehicle for your change. Because we don't want to change. Change is. It's itchy. I'm so comfortable here.
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B
Right.
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A
But when we have to actually lean into that and we go into the change, then those catalysts, those challenging moments, those, those places where our heart literally breaks wide open is what allows us to understand compassion and grace and forgiveness.
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B
Yeah.
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A
We do not learn those lessons otherwise. This is a planet of duality. So we have male and female up and down, north and south. We have the duality. In order to teach us wholeness, we learn by the opposite on this planet is what I've been taught.
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B
I love that. Yeah, you can't have the light without the dark, unfortunately. Okay. Would you say that you're psychic a little bit? Is that fair to say?
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A
Yeah, it's pretty fair to say. I think everybody is psychic. I like to say I'm very psychic. I'm not a mind reader.
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B
Okay.
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A
But I do pick up things, and sometimes I will just sort of say something. People are like, oh, my God. How'd you know that? I'm like, I don't know. It just sort of popped out.
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B
So when you're doing these, could you call em journeys for hypnotherapy? How do you know where to go? Because you do, you guide. It's a journey. You are guiding people. And you just know where to take the person on this journey. So how do you get those little insights?
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A
I love that question. Yeah, and this is kind of. This is also just really the practice. This is just having done the practice for a long time. I imbue, you know, reiki work. I imbue my shamanic work. I imbue whatever you want to call it into the practice. So it's not just one thing. It's a braiding together of concepts. That being said, the number one thing that I do is I listen and I trust. Listen and I trust. So if we're having a journey together, for example, and I ask you to relax and go into your space, and you say, yes, okay, I'm there, and I ask you to tell me what you're experiencing, and you say, I'm experiencing a beautiful field of flowers. Awesome. Then I am going to believe what you tell me is accurate for you. I don't judge it. I don't say, like, well, you shouldn't be seeing flowers. You should be seeing trees. Nope, not my journey, it's yours. So if I say, okay, you're here in the flowers, what are you noticing? Oh, there's one really beautiful flower. Awesome. For some reason, that one beautiful flower called your awareness. Let's go to that flower. Okay. What happens when you interact with that flower? Oh, well, now when I do, I'm remembering, blah, blah, blah. And suddenly that acts as a catalyst in the subconscious, because the subconscious doesn't speak English. It doesn't work in linear language. It speaks in the smell of vanilla and that feeling of, like, cashmere and, like, that emotion that you have. When you look at your baby sleeping, okay. That's how your subconscious speaks. And so in order to unpack how the subconscious wants to be listened to, we have to honor as it unfolds. So it's not just gonna necessarily pop out like a pop up book. Like it's all there. Sometimes we have to tease it out. But then in that moment, number one, I'm trusting on my training to like follow you and listen to you and kind of guide that. But then sometimes I will then just get a hit. I will get like, let me back up. I always, before we start our session, and I even did it today, I always ask that your team and my team work together at the highest octave part. Yeah, got a big chill. Because the moment we kind of tap into sort of the higher consciousness, the higher wisdom, and we ask and intend that that does the work for us. This work becomes easy. It's much easier to human when you're tapped to the all knowing. So that's the integration, that's the embodiment. Right? So I then listen to, I ask your team and my team to work together at the highest, greatest thing possible. That I be a clear and perfect channel for this love and beauty. Thank you. So it is. And then I'll get like, oh, ask her about, I don't know, hot buttered popcorn, right? What's your relationship? You're like, oh my God, I just had this funny, funny, you ask, like it's sometimes super random like that.
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B
And it's just like a voice that comes in. Right? I mean, I've experienced that.
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A
Do you get a voice or do you get an image or do you get a knowing? I guess not everyone says it.
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B
Okay, maybe it's not a voice. Maybe it's more of just a knowing. But it just, it just comes into your head and I think unless you've experienced it, it's hard to explain. I've gotten them in a past life regression with you, but do you remember I woke up in the 1800s on the ground and then I got on my horse and buggy and when you asked me what my name was, I instantly was like, Sarah. And you were like, I. I felt the same thing. It was just like we were so in sync and we were like both in it together. And that is also one of those experiences that. Until you experience it like I remember, I used to, I've read books about hypnotherapy and past life regressions and part of me was always a little doubtful. But then I experienced it with you and I was like, no, it just comes. It is just part of you and it comes out. And your mind doesn't even have time to, like, think about was, that's it. That was one of the coolest experiences that I've ever had.
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A
Oh, I love that. Yeah, I got a big chill again. I love that. And you're right, you don't have time. Consciously think about. If I were to ask people to consciously make up some random story, there would be weird holes in it. It would be over the fact. But when I'm asking people to genuinely have their experience, I'm watching them. So I'll give you an example in all of the work that I've been doing for so long of, like, normal, everyday things, past life, wanna have a better relationship with my husband. I wanna have more satisfaction in my career, whatever. The thing is, right, what I'm finding now, and it's been really amping up, especially since the pandemic, is that when I'm asking people, even first time I've worked with them, I'm asking people to really tap in, really get connected. Take them to the light, take them to the love, take them to the connection of the oneness. Galactic stuff is coming through more and more and more and more and more. And these are not people who are like Star Trekkies. These are not people that like, go to the conference and wear the ears. Nope. These are folks just like you and me who have normal everyday lives, who suddenly, I'm watching the red come up in their throat. I'm watching the veins pop out in their face, tears are pouring down theirs, their lips are trembling, their body goes into this whole physical experience that you cannot manufacture, that energetic feeling that is genuine. You are genuinely having that feeling. And they are describing and they're explaining why they're here on Earth and what they're here to do and where they came from and watching their planet be destroyed and having this bigger mission to really see new life on this planet. And at first my credulous mind was like, get outta here, crazy man. Okay. But, you know, I just hold space. I just trust, I just listen. It's not my journey, it's yours. And I'm not here to judge, right? Yeah. But when it happened again and again and again and again and again and again, and I started hearing these same stories through different people who speak different languages in different parts of the world, unbidden. That's not what I was asking for. I then just have to say, waheguru, I trust it. This is what's happening. So it's up to me to also evolve enough in my openness to hold space for the miraculous to come through. Because otherwise, what is the point?
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B
Right? What do you do in your daily life to stay open and even work on your own journey of maintaining your highest self? Are you able to do this work by yourself and kind of guide yourself?
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A
I do. It's nice to have someone else. I mean, I have my bestie that, you know, she and I do the work together. Yeah. She's my person. I was like, you have to go to hypnotherapy school and you have to become a Reiki master teacher. Because I need to work with you. Because Source is just telling me this has got to happen, and it's you, babe. So get ready.
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B
I love that.
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A
So that's what happened. I'm a little pushy with things like that. Sorry. It's what's happening. This is what we're doing now. But I do. I do meditate daily. If I don't meditate, I feel it.
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B
When I don't.
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A
Yeah. Sometimes it's the middle of the night. Generally, my teacher's always said, you know, the best time is four in the morning.
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B
Really?
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A
So that's the best time to meditate. Wow.
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B
And then you're up for the day, or do you go back to sleep?
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A
No, I go back to sleep.
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B
So you wake up to meditate and then you go back to sleep?
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A
Sometimes, you know, I'm at the age where I wake up to pee in the middle of the night. Yeah, right. Meditation just sort of naturally happens Sometimes. We'll just say it's a. It's a symbiotic relationship. But I will meditate in the morning or sometimes at night when I need to kind of clear something. But it's not like I spend hours and hours meditating. I don't. I can sit for 15 minutes. I can sit for 45 minutes. I'm like, wow, that was. It is whatever it needs to be. But I think part of the greatest part about it is the curiosity. Staying open, staying playful, staying in the heart, staying joyous. Because this space, I'm sort of doing it from my heart. This space kind of like opens up the way, in a way. Think about the brow of a ship. When a ship cuts through the water, it cuts through and it peels the ocean back so that this enormous energy of the boat can pass through. Because water's dense, if you just hit it flat on, it's hard. It's gonna knock you out. Right. But if you kind of peel it away, you can move through. All right. So I really look at kind of moving my energy forward so that it kind of opens up the way so that the most beautiful, the most miraculous, the most abundant, the most joyous, the most highest, greatest, and even better than I can ask for opens up and emerges. I call it the sneak attack of awesome. I open up so that I am prepared to accept and receive the sneak attack of awesome. Because what happens otherwise is something awesome happens. You're like, oh, no, I'm busy. Oh, I can't, I'm afraid. And we shut down around it. So having a big receiving, having a big, like, playfulness of like, sure, I'll say yes. I don't know what yes will bring, but I'm into discovering. Then we start to know that the universe is completely. There is this malleable co creator with us. It's not like a thing that happens to us. It's not out there. It's all sourced from within here. I think of it like a movie projector. It's projecting what we experience on the world around us. Like, if you have a big Cinerama dome around you, if you have a big cinerama dome around you, right? Then you're projecting that around you. And so if your world looks really dark and depressing, that's what you're projecting. It's not just what you're seeing. What you're seeing is the reflection of what you're projecting. So going back to your question before about like, all the dark and destruction and everything out there is not to say that's inaccurate, that is actually happening. It's just not the only thing that's happening.
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B
Right.
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A
And what you focus on, you amplify. So if you want to amplify joyousness and connection and community support, then amplify that. If you want to amplify, like, oh my God, I'm so afraid. It's kind of like, this tastes terrible. What do you think? No, let's stop sharing the terrible. Let's start sharing something from a higher, deeper place. But that does take trust.
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B
It does.
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A
Of knowing that you can do that.
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B
Well, I've seen it even in my own life. I mean, and I think it's kind of fun to play with, you know, like for anyone listening at home, I think just try it for a day and see what happens. You know, say, okay, today I'm gonna focus on the joy and the love and the happiness and the positivity and just see how your life changes for that One day, and then it's a ripple effect. And keep going, Keep going.
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A
Generally. Exactly that. Beautiful advice. I would say start your morning with that. So before you get out of bed in the morning, just, like, hit the snooze button. Five minutes. And then just take a moment and just kind of fill your body with golden light or peace or waves at the beach or whatever brings you joy, but something that feels yummy, juicy, delicious. Fill yourself with that. And then start your first foot forward from that, rather than starting, like, in a rush. And, oh, my God. And like that crazy thing that whatever we start with is what we work with. So start with that peace, start with that pleasure, start with that joy. And I know people are like, oh, my God, I'm so busy. I'm sorry, girl, you can work out five minutes in the morning. You just can. It's not rocket science. It is a choice, however. And then from there, you just keep remembering to come back to the breath, come back to the golden sparkles. When you take a shower, shower in golden sparkles or rainbow sparkles, whatever it is. Something pretty, something that's inspiring. And then when you're with someone, just imagine that there's this, like, symbiotic, like you're sharing molecules of joy. Thank you. Smile at strangers.
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B
Yes.
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A
Thank you.
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B
The visualization stuff is something I've taken into my everyday life, too. That envisioning of the golden, shimmery light coming through the top of your head and, you know, can have it going into the earth. I've talked about this on the podcast, too. Or I did a tea ceremony with girlfriends, and I was envisioning it going into my girlfriends and background to me and into the earth. And it does have an effect. It really does. Visualization is huge.
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A
Okay. Yes. Do you know why visualization is huge?
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B
No, tell me.
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A
Because once we can conceive it, once we can visualize it, once we can actual. Then we can actualize it.
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B
Okay.
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A
We can't go beyond what we can currently imagine. Right? So if we can visualize something, that means it's there for us.
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B
Okay.
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A
So if you can visualize golden sparkles, there's golden sparkles.
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B
Oh, I love that.
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A
And first of all, let's just pretend there are. Who freaking cares? It feels good. Do it anyway. I don't care. But we start to manifest what we generally create again and again and again and again and again. And if you are a miserable, unhappy person, that's because you've generated over time. It didn't happen in a vacuum. So it takes Time to unpack this. But no matter what crossroads you're at where you fall into your knees and you're just like, I can't. I need help. Help me up. That moment is when you have the opening and then you can expand bigger because until you have the opening, I'm fine. Stop talking to me. Shut it down. Shut it down. Shut it down. There's nowhere to go. Yeah. The moment you decide to allow and receive and reach out and ask for love, ask for support, then the catalyst can change everything. I love it. It's so powerful. It's so powerful.
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B
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The sale will end on 31st December 2025, so hurry and don't miss this massive chance to save big on your favorite Bond Charge products. Okay? Another thing I love that you do is you have this ability to tune into people's bodies or have the person figure out these spots in your body, which is where we hold emotion, right? Doesn't emotion stay in our bodies forever? So what I love about the work that we do is you've gotten me literally to things in my body that has been holding an emotion and we're able to release it, work through it, move on and it's great. But what if someone doesn't have the ability to work with you? How can we on our own at home, tap into our body more, find places that we're holding emotion and get it out?
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A
Great question. So traditionally we will start to notice, people will say like oh, I always have a problem with my something, my left ankle, my right shoulder, my whatever. And you'll start to notice that we have energetic patterns that we've been holding and you say, oh, it's because I sleep funny. Or oh, because I carry my bag on the side. Or because the. And sure, that will exacerbate it, but the energy will always. I really love working with energy because energy is this remarkable teacher. Energy will always go either to the weakest point where it's really trying to show us of where it needs to come through. So if you have stuckness in your heart, for example, unfinished business, words you haven't said, forgiveness you haven't given, feelings you haven't expressed, you may start to have breast issues, you may start to have lymph issues, you may start to have bronchitis, you may start to have issues in the body that would relate to the unfinished emotional, mental, spiritual business that has not been exorcised. So I would start by asking people start to look at, where are you holding unfinished business in your body? Where do you have habitual. You're sick there all the time, you get hurt there all the time. Are you hurt traditionally on your left side, on your right side. Is it your ankle? Is it your knee, Is it your shoulder? Louise Hay did some really, really groundbreaking work with this. She's now passed on, but she was the one who wrote the book heal your body. Really understanding with where the energy was of the, the sort of non physical energy was creating the physical stuckness that we had. So for example, if you have knee or leg issues, it's about how are you feeling comfortable stepping forward into your life? Are you feeling inhibited about that? Are you holding yourself back? Do you have tooth and clenching? Because you don't want to say what you don't want to say, right? Are you holding on? Are you having arthritis? Because you're clenching your hands and you don't want to let go. So we start to do these things. So it just becomes a game of curiosity, like, oh, okay, well, if I had more freedom in my body and I could move this way, what would I be moving through? And so just start to kind of check in therapeutically, where am I holding things? And then the other thing I would also sort of say is, and you can just do an easy body scan every night before you go to bed. Start with just kind of, you know, imagine opening up this kind of crown chakra, just kind of bringing in beautiful loving light. However you conceive it from wherever, it doesn't matter. Nope, source doesn't care. Just bring in that beautiful loving light and then just sort of ask for it to flow into your body down to your toes and your feet and your ankles and your shins and just kind of fill yourself up with it and just start to notice it doesn't really want to go into this part or it rushed to that part. And then just before you go to sleep at night, just kind of fill yourself up with that loving light and just ask to your team or say your prayers to your angels or whatever it is to your higher self. And just say, you know, while I'm sleeping tonight, work on this, please. Help me to see, help me to know, help me to release that which is already stuck within me so that I can easily, naturally, normally, simply let it go and understand it. And then hold space. Because you may have a dream, you may wake up the next morning, you may get a knowing somebody may say something. You may read a book like, oh, my God, it's my mother issues. And then you'll start to kind of unpack it. Be aware that when you ask for the healing, healing's gonna show up.
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B
I love it.
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A
And if you're asking for patience, it's gonna look like a giant line at the dmv. So know that we learn from the opposite. Okay, so your unfinished business is going to come up. Cause you asked for it to do so, but recognize it and thank it as it leaves. And so when people are like, oh, I've been working on this for some time and it's coming up again. It's coming up. I'm like, no, it' coming up to leave. You're seeing it as it's leaving. And that's what we're noticing again back in the macro. It's sort of the zeitgeist. We are seeing the energy as it's leaving. It looks big, it looks bold, it looks frightening. It's got teeth and claws and it's screaming and yelling. It's jumping up and down. It's creating headlines and tidal waves because it knows it's leaving. So we are just holding. Oh, got another big body chill on that one. So let it leave. Let whatever needs to come up out of you, no matter how scary or tragic it has been. You gotta clean that closet in order to be able to put those fabulous new shoes in there.
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B
Yeah, exactly. Is movement good too? Like, I know because, well, I've told you about my bufo experience. And in my bufo experience, I felt like my whole body was going numb. And I kept going like this and, like, trying to get it out. And my shaman afterwards said that was emotion trying to leave my body. And I do find that, like, you have to, like, physically get it out. So could even, like, dancing or like, all of these things. Working out, of course, is all good for getting energy out. Right?
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A
Working out is good. But again, it depends on the intention. If you're just working out and you're checked out and you're listening to some like. Yeah, you got this podcast.
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B
Yeah, Right.
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A
That's not necessarily gonna be working out your emotional state, but if you are literally, like, you're imagining that you're swimming and every stroke you're leaving something behind, then you're actually doing that. So where's your intention in the movement? So ecstatic dance is fantastic. Or dancing with your kids or jumping on a trampoline or. Or just walking barefoot in the grass or literally just bouncing. All of those things do wake up the body, do shift the things out and you can just shake your hands, shake your feet, pound, tap your body. All that stuff. It really does help.
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B
It does. It does. Can we talk about parallel realities, which we've touched on a little tough. Okay. Yes, please. This was another one that I think at first I had a tough time really wrapping my head around, and now again, I'm all about it. And for me, it's almost like, become a game of trying to be, like, cool. What can I do in my life today? And what can I call into what reality can I jump to? So for someone who has never heard this concept before, how do you explain parallel realities?
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A
I love your question. Okay, let's just play a game. Let's just pretend, because it's real, that there, right now on the planet is roughly 8 billion people, give or take. Okay? And those 8 billion people right now, there's a rice farmer in China. There is a woman washing clothes in a river in, I don't know, Namibia. There is a scientist in Russia. There is a housewife in Kansas. All of these people are having their own experience right now. Yes. In this timeline, right now of what we would call consensual reality, Earth today, they're having their own individual reality. It's not the same as yours.
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B
Okay?
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Right. It cannot be. Their experience from their first. Again, going back to that idea of what happened previous birth, what happened with their soul contract, what happened when they were pregnant in their mother's pregnant belly. What happened every moment of their life from the moment they were born. This is your language. This is where you're from. This is what a man does. This is what a woman does. This is what our cultures. This is what our family believes. This is what the neighborhood believes. You can't do this. You have to do that. All of these Rules have been inculcated into one individual from the moment of consciousness until the last breath. So each individual person, even though it looks like we're all on the same plane, we are not. We're all having individual realities.
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B
Yep.
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A
Okay.
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B
Yeah. And can we ourselves go from. I guess we'd call them timelines, right? From one timeline to another or different realities?
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Absolutely. And I think we do it all the time. We're just not cognizant to it. You know, sometimes you're like, everything is opening up, and I've got a great hair day, and I feel really good. And like, oh, these shoes are fantastic. And, like, I'm so happy. And, like, the food is delicious. And everything is, like, everything's wonderful. Like, it's like a Disney movie. Like, your hair is the whole thing. All right? Those moments were in that zone. And then other moments were like, where everything is dark, everything is painful. So we switch realities constantly. Constantly. The interesting thing, I think, is that when we can really hold space, that everyone is having their own unique experience, and there's zero judgment on our part about what their experience is or could or should be. Because who am I to know what your unique experience of all of your life and all of your lifetimes have brought you to this moment for? That is not my business. That is yours. And I think that level of dignity and respect that we can give for people to have, have their own experience, whether we like it, agree with it, understand it, or not, is meaningful because we can allow the person to have their dignity, whatever their experience is, without taking it away. Oh, you shouldn't feel that way. You should feel this way. Who the hell am I to say that you should feel anything? I don't know. That's not my role to have. But my role is to have what is the experience you wish to have. So if the experience you're having is not serving your purpose or has outgrown your purpose, or you find that wasn't even mine, that was my great grandfather's, or that was something that happened, you know, in 1892, then we can start to bring into. What is your organic experience that you, as a sovereign individual, as a human with free will, would like to experience in this timeline? And you could say, you know what? I don't want to have kids, or I do want to have kids. Great. Either one of those timelines is available to you. But when you make that choice, it's going to branch off a whole host of other experiences that wouldn't have been possible without that primary choice. It's not to say that had you have made that primary choice, choice one would have been better or superlative to the other. It is to say that they are distinct, individual experiences that you can have. And once you cross down to that, Rubicon, kids aren't going back in the box. They're out here now. They're doing their thing. But the way you choose to move forward from here is going to then branch out new tributaries of experience as well.
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B
God, I love it.
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A
Does that answer your question? Yeah.
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B
I mean, it's so good. I want to go back to the plant medicine and how you ultimately decided that you didn't wanna use those as tools for your work, that you felt like you could do all this just on your own.
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So my plant journeys were really profound and were really beautiful. And they were necessary to break through the trauma and to kind of, like, as I said, punch a hole in the reality, the construct of reality that I believed was real about myself. We'll just say that. Cause I think that's accurate. We have a construct of reality that we believe it's real. And it's only when we kind of get outside of that, we're like, well, that's just a choice. That was a decision. I don't have to be that way. I can literally have a new experience. The medicine gave me that journey. But I'll switch back when I did my ayahuasca journeys in the Amazon. The medicine is of the jungle. It grows there. And if we go into that idea of the oneness and that everything is consciousness. The trees, the plants, the bird, the lichen, the water, everything is conscious, then the consciousness of the medicine is of the place of the medicine. And so when I was having my experience, first of all, I'd worked with my team, my teachers, for months. We didn't just go down for a weekend. Nope. That is a recipe for disaster. We had a lot of work leading up to it. We fasted for a month before we went down. We stripped everything out. There was no sugar, no caffeine, no meat, no nothing. Stripped everything out. So we were as clean, as receptive as possible. And then there was obviously. Obviously afterwards, there's years of work that goes through unpacking, kind of what happens. And my experiences were quite beautiful. But there were people around me who were burning in the fires of the Holocaust. Literally, they were burning off karma. There was another person next to me who was having their body being eaten by maggots. This is not small stuff. And it's not like love and light. You have to sometimes burn those heavy layers in order to get through them, in order to break through. And the medicine will give you what you need, not necessarily what you think you want. My experiences were profound and transcendent. But what it was for me was I suddenly experienced that the jungle was like, oh, you're here. It was like a million eyes just turned to look at me, and I felt the presence and the consciousness of Pachamama, of the jungle, of the earth herself. I felt the eyes of the jungle there. I felt the jaguar. I felt the giant boa constrictors. I felt the things, and I knew that I was a part of it, and I had no fear of. But the jungle's still one of my favorite places to be, but mosquitoes aside, but it was still this beautiful thing. But then when I did the medicine, same group, same shaman, same medicine, same thing in New Hampshire a year later, I was like, this sucks. Oh, wow. Nope, I'm never doing this again. This is terrible, because for me, it's not what you drink. It's the whole environment of it. And so at that point, Ayah was like, yeah, you don't need to do me again. Like, we're done. We're completed that way.
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B
Oh, so you just did it twice?
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A
I did it three times.
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B
Okay, okay.
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A
Twice in the jungle and then once up there. Okay, wow. And I was like, no, I don't need to do this again. And the same thing with. And I don't love doing. I don't love doing drugs. I really don't. Yeah, there's a thing for me, I call it going through a wall, where when the medicine starts to kick in, it feels like my body dematerializes. It's the best way I can describe it. And I feel like I have to pass through physical matter. Like, I have to pass through, like, a wall. And it feels physically painful for me. I don't enjoy the shift of the dimension like that. Yeah, it's a lot. It's gotten easier for me over the time, but I don't enjoy it. So for me, drugs are not fun. I don't enjoy them. But the lesson or the learning that I get through it, I'm like, if I'm here, I'm just gonna drink it all in. I'm gonna do this while we're here. So I always tell people, if it's going to be in your alignment, it'll be unavoidable. You don't have to seek it out. You don't have to hunt for a thing. Like what is yours is your. Before birth. It was aligned for you. There was a time when I did five meo and I did bufo as well, many years ago, which I do not recommend.
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B
Bufo.
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A
Bufo was.
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B
It is intense.
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A
Bufo is yucky. I found it yucky. Did you like it? I didn't like it.
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B
I wouldn't say I liked it. I think I felt really light and free after because I was able to get out this emotion. And I actually did it the weekend I found out my divorce was final.
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A
Oh. Talking about getting out of her.
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B
It was so perfect how that all came together.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But no, I wouldn't say I liked it necessarily. And I remember during it having a few moments being like, I'm ready for this to be over.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. It's. Yeah, it's intense. I felt it. I went down into the mud. I was with the toads in the soil. I was down and like, this is what I mean. Like, it's already there. Like, it's not like we're inventing this. We just like peel away the layer, like, oh, there it is. Like, this is what's there. So it's just the medicine is just a doorway into a reality that already exists that we just can't see with our normal consciousness. Right. The 5 Meo journey is the synthesized version of toad. Never something I thought I would do. Even though people I know of who've done it said it's like the closest thing to having a near death experience. You really go into the light, into the oneness. Well, I've had that experience before, so I was like, okay, that'll be interesting. So I never really had that on my radar. But a dear friend of mine who was a doctor and a shaman and a healer, every time I would see him was like, are you ready to do the journey? Ready to do the journey? I'm like, no, not love you, no. But then one time I was sitting to my meditation and I got the hit. I was like, oh, he's gonna die. Oh, wow. I knew he was ill, but I didn't know he was like that ill. But my meditation was like, he's gonna die. And if you wanna do the medicine, this fall is the time. Oh, wow. So I reached out to him and said, I'd love to do it with you. Cause he's the only person I would trust to do it with him. And he's like, great. And it was soon after that he did pass away. Wow. And that journey was really fascinating because in that I chose to do it very therapeutically. But so I got this message, do the medicine with him. I'm like, okay, great. So here I am sitting in the space with him and some very trusted friends nearby to hold magical space for me. And so as I'm coming into the moment of literally getting ready to inhale the medicine, there's this freak out moment. I'm like, I didn't decide to wait a minute, I don't want to do. I suddenly had this moment of like, I didn't want this. And then I inhale. And the moment I inhale, because you inhale, you find you can't. I fell backwards. And the moment I inhaled was like, I didn't choose this.
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B
Oh, shit.
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A
It was. I chose this.
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B
Oh.
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A
And then I suddenly saw myself from the back sitting at my altar. And it zoomed out and I saw from the perspective of the medicine. I called you. This is where we're going now. We had full body chills. Wow. So that's what I mean. The medicine will call you, the love will call you. The relationship will call you. The vocation, the job, the creativity will call you. Our job is just to strip away our. Our resistance, strip away our stuckness, be available to say yes and really trust and lean in that. Like when it calls you, it calls you and you got this, or else you wouldn't be ready for it.
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B
So you're not necessarily against plant medicine for people. It's just not something that you necessarily want to do.
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A
I'm not negative against it. I think there's really powerful benefit to it. I'm cautious about it. The reason I'm cautious about it is because whenever anything gets a bit sort of overly dramatized where it becomes very commercialized, it's become very commercialized. I've known of many people that I love and respect who've done journeys who have literally been deeply taken advantage of, sexually assaulted, had their money taken, would have somebody sort of worm their way into their lives and kind of trip away their energy. Because again, just because someone has a particular headdress or a particular outfit or name does not mean that they are spiritual, does not mean that they're doing the work. It just means that they're selling a thing. And now you have people sort of selling an experience like for a weekend in Costa Rica or Brazil or whatever. And I feel that that's really doing a disservice not just to the medicine, but to the. To the experiencer. Because again, it took years for me to unpack what happened in one journey.
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B
That's What I've heard years. Yeah, that's what I've heard.
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A
It's not small stuff.
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B
No, I know, I know. I have this group in Tennessee that they do these ayahuasca journeys every few months. And they keep being like, when are you doing it?
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A
And I. And I'm like, I don't know.
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B
It scares the shit out of me again.
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A
The medicine is not from Tennessee, though. It's not to say that they're not doing beautiful work. They may be doing transcendent work, but for me, I'm so connected to the energy that if I'm going to do mushrooms, I'm doing mushrooms on the island where they're grown. I'm gonna meditate on them, I'm gonna pray on them, I'm gonna thank them for their service. This is a ceremony of the shamanic world, is kick your ass stuff. It is not like airy fairy. This is the whole purpose of doing ayahuasca as we were trained. You go. It's called the vine of Death. You go down prepared to die. Yeah, okay, let me say that again. We went down prepared to die.
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B
Yeah, I don't think I want to do it.
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A
And that's a really big statement that one makes of like, I'm going to leave my old life behind. We were taught to dig our graves. Okay. We were taught to literally die to our old experience. That's the old medicine again. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just that we now have. Have greater capacity. We're now in the Aquarian era. We don't have to muscle through things as hard anymore. We can get directly to it. We can get directly to Source. You can do a Pranayama breathing practice and have the experience of the oneness, just like any other journey. You can open your heart. You can have a rebirthing right now, this weekend, if you chose to, without any hangover, without having to pay someone $10,000.
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B
Well. And the work that we've done, I come out of it and I feel like I'm on a drug. I mean, it is a high. It is. It is the best feeling on the.
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A
Planet because it's in your body.
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B
Your body's made for this, right? So that alone, well, there you go. I'm not doing ayahuasca. I'll continue to do hypnotherapy.
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A
So let me also piggyback on this because I know you have children and for the mommies out there. And again, this is not because there's any one way, shape or form to do Anything But I had both of my children at home. I had both of my children non medicated using Reiki, hypnotherapy and yoga. Cool. This is why I did this. And what I experienced with the labor of my son and really it was the reason I became a teacher was because my birth was never anything ever written in a book that I'd ever read before. It was off the charts. Oh, wow. There is a feeling, there's an experience that you can get to in your own body. When you use your breath, when you use your tools, your visualization, your postures, your movement, you're sort of trusting the baby, trusting the body, going into the flow where you unlock the most powerful supportive hormones and pain relievers possible. Where you suddenly have, like I tell my students, you become like Xena, warrior Princess. Like, you suddenly think, like, here's my barrier, oh no, I can do this now. Like, this whole thing unlocks. And there's a real experience called the birth orgasm. And it's not like orgasm like what you think of. Like, it's very different. But I had that with my second child. Because there's this huge rush of energy that comes out. It runs to every particle of your body. You feel like the goddess.
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B
Wow.
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Separated from, you're not put to sleep, you're not divorced from, you are in it, you are feeling every particle of it. And I believe that we, our bodies are meant to have these explosive energies. We have no idea what our body is, what she's made of, what she's built for, what they can do. And so when we start to unpack, even these little moments of intense, transcendent experiences, like birth, for example, like other things, like deep, intense experiences, you can have it through deep, intense sexual experiences, emotional experiences with a beloved, you can have it through breath, you can have it through other physical activity. You can literally unlock something in your body that will change you forever and you will never be put back in the same box that you want. Yes.
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B
Okay. I love that. Yeah. Tell me about your book that you have coming out.
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A
I had so hoped to have my book ready. I already gave you the oils. I had so hoped to have my book ready for you. So I was like, I'm hand you the flesh.
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B
I know.
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A
So, okay. But things take time in human life and molecules take time to move. The energy may already see, but the molecules take time. So, yes, I'm hoping to have it available in the early part of 2026. I have been, I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I Am a serious dabbler, we'll put it that way. But for about 30 years, I've been using hypnotherapy. Oh my gosh, yes. Aromatherapy and like natural essential oils and things to clean my home. I do not use toxic products. I haven't literally since I lived in New York. I eat well, I clean well, and I use essential oils for cleaning my house. I use steam, steam cleaning, things like that. So I've always been that sort of non toxic mama. And I make my own face cream. I made my own essential oils, I made my own auric field sprays. And it just became something I sort of did for myself. And then my clients were like, oh, I want some, I want some. I do not have a line at this point. Maybe it'll come.
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B
You should, you should go at some point.
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A
We'll talk at some point. You can teach me a lot. But I just decided that I really wanted to kind of open up this world of how scent. So aromatherapy is not just it smells pretty. Aromatherapy goes directly into our, into our brain and directly opens up our memory centers. It goes immediately into like this smell takes you right back to grandma's kitchen. Like, no if, ands or buts. Talk about parallel times right there. And so when we open up the smell, when we open up that feeling and we literally, I call it scent scaping. When we literally learn to scent scape ourselves, our life, our bodies, our homes, we create this atmospheric experience of peace, of well, being, greater clarity, greater focus. You know, I have a child with add and so it's really important to have, you know, what kind of clarity can we offer instead of overemphasizing certain things? How can we kind of make this open space for discovery and play and softness, which we don't have a lot of safe spaces for that in our world right now. Right. It's a lot of like hardcore press. Do you know that sort of again, Yang energy of like do create focus. Whereas I really do believe having that space, it's important sometimes to just lay around and like stare at the trees. It's really important to just take a bath. It's really important to walk naked in your backyard. It's really important. And so I wrote this book kind of as a way to sort of share part of my travels and how I was experiencing the scent of cherry blossoms in Japan or the oils from the souk in Cairo or whatever, really how these scents have been kind of woven into us for thousands and thousands of years. Literally. Wars were fought over pepper and cloves that we now, like, take for granted. But these things were so much a part of our fabric and so much a part of our history. So I kind of weave a little bit of that in and then just give practical solutions of, like, things you can make, perfume you can make, or aromatherapy you can make for literally cooking.
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B
Oh, I love that.
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A
How to grow a garden. But then I kind of want to take it into. Okay, it's great to have the personal experience, but now share it with your community. Have people in, make them something yummy. Have a workshop, grow a garden, volunteer, come on a retreat. I love to do retreats with people. How do we take what we've learned and share it in a bigger scale? And so that's kind of like. It goes from, like, the personal journey into the sort of transpersonal journey.
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B
So that's because it's that ripple effect.
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A
Yes, ma'. Am.
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B
I love that. I know that everyone's gonna wanna book a session with you, so tell people where they can find you to book sessions. And then Instagram or any other platform that you're on, too, where people can find you.
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A
Thank you, goddess. I am the only Kristen Eichel out there, so Google me. I'm everywhere. I do have a website, kristenichel.com I also have an online community that I just started building this summer. It's not done. It's not perfect by any stretch of imagination, because I am not that techy. But I'm really looking at how can we have these kind of deep, soulful, level conversations in a safe space where a lot of social media doesn't really feel very safe.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, I love Instagram for that, like, sort of ability, but I kind of. I'm not really on anything else because I love that.
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B
I love that.
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A
And even that, like, I am not the best poster in the world. I'm not. Although I do love that you can connect with new people that way. And I think it's really powerful when people do it well. It's such a gift. Like, I get inspired by what other people get to share. So I do have that. And again, I really look at how can we bring people together. It's not just what we're doing today. It's where are we going as a collective, as an individual, as a species. And I think that anything that we can do to kind of come together, hearts, minds, bodies, in virtual time. Cause I work with people all over the world, and then we're in real time. Right. I have groups from all over the world. I do Reiki trainings, and I ask my master teachers, come back, hold space. I may have one student and four master teachers. I love that. And so the energy is amazing. So anything that we can do to kind of expand the love, expand the joy, expand the bubble of consciousness, I am in it to win it with you. I love it.
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B
This was so much fun. Thank you so much for being here. Oh, my God.
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A
Thank you for inviting me. I'm so glad it finally worked out.
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B
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