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Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari
The Hills: Mess With Me I Mess With You (Season 5, Episode 12)
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The following podcast is a Dr. Media production. This is, let's be honest with Kristen Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality tv, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Okay, guys, here we go. We are back to do another Hills rewatch episode. The most fun I'm having. God, it's been such a trip for me to go and watch these episodes. I don't remember anything that happened. It's so weird. I feel like I'm watching it for the very first time. I'm not sure what that says. I blocked everything out of my memory. I don't know, but it's crazy. It's been crazy. Okay, so today's episode we are doing is titled Mess with me, I mess with you. A classic line from yours truly. Definitely sounds like something I would say back in the day. So this episode opens up with a scene with Stacy the bartender and I. And it's funny to me because out of nowhere, I'm just really good friends with Stacy. I mean, there's no backstory whatsoever. No explanation as to how we even know each other. And to be fair, I don't even remember exactly the first time I met her, or obviously I met her through the show. I did not know Stacy beforehand, but all of a sudden, they have us at lunch together. I guess it's lunch. I don't know. You never. You never actually see us eating on the show. We're just always at a restaurant. But. And it's like we're best friends. And I will say I really liked Stacy from the moment I met her. This is kind of a small. It just goes to show you how small the world is. So I actually ran into Stacy, the bartender here in Franklin, Tennessee, a few years ago at a jump place that I used to bring my kids to all the time when they were a little bit younger. And she was there with Joel, her husband, who I knew back in the day. I think she met him right on the heels of us filming the Hills. And they've got two kids now, and she had moved here to Franklin, Tennessee. I mean, what are the chances? So random. We just naturally ran into each other. It was really fun to see her. She's the exact same. And she no longer lives here anymore. But her brother. I don't know if you guys know this. This is kind of a fun reality fact for you. Her brother is Josh hall, who was on all of those HGTV shows. He. I think and infamously got a divorce from Christina. I don't. I'm not super familiar with that world, but I think if you guys know this world, you know who I'm talking about. Anyways, that's her brother and you guys. He owns the land next to me and is building a house next to me. Like, what if you told me 15 years ago that I'd be living next to Stacy the bartender's brother at age 38? I'd be like, there's no way, like, in Franklin, Tennessee. Just so random. So, okay, that's just a random, fun fact for you guys. So anyways, okay, Stacy and I are setting up that Audrina and I are going to talk. That I. I want to talk to Audrina, and I tell her that the only reason I went to drinks with Justin Bobby was to tell him that. That we should just be friends, that nothing was going to happen. And obviously, that did not play at all in our quote, unquote date that the show tried to make it seem like they never once showed me saying that, of course. And this drinks was from the last episode, and they definitely made it seem like we were flirting the whole. The whole time. So I feel like that was sort of like the storyline I wanted to run with, where I was like, I want to make it very clear that nothing's going to happen with Justin and I. And obviously the show had other plans, per usual. You know what I noticed, too, in all of these scenes is how raspy my voice was. It was like I was always partying and like, I was, because I probably was, but my voice was always so raspy. I always sounded like I was hungover. So there is a huge wild line. And I say, the wild line portion is, Adriana, if you want to sit down and be adults and figure it out. And then they cut to my mouth and I say, I will. So I. Who knows what I was talking about, but I clearly did that wild line later. And then they knew that they could splice it in. And basically it's implying that I want to sit down, I want to talk about this. You know, I want to put everything on. Out on the table, which, you know, hey, I appreciate from mtv, because I do feel like. I do feel like that was probably how I really felt. And again, I want to remind you guys, because Audrina and I did not talk this entire entire season. And she really thought this whole time that I was, in fact, dating Justin Bobby. I mean, she thought this storyline was very real. And so I do think her Emotion about Justin and I is very real. And I would imagine her feelings towards me were also very real. And so I can't blame her for anything that she says about me. I mean, honestly. I mean, yes and no. I guess I would still resort back to the fact that I. I thought we were going to be allies. And then the stint that she pulled at the London hotel made me be like, okay, well, clearly, you know, this is the. This is the route we're taking. Hence why at the London hotel, I say, if this is how it's going to be, if this is how it's going to be, it's fucking on, bitch. Because, I mean, that's just how I was back in the day. Like, if you fuck with me, I fuck with you. Mess with me, I mess with you. So anyways, Stacy and I are talking about me going on a motorcycle ride with Justin and how he wants to take me out on his bike. And I say, Audrina would be really pissed. I mean, yeah, no. And they cut to Audrina shopping with her sister. Okay. And Audrina says that I texted her wanting to go to lunch, saying maybe I want to apologize, and that Justin's just doing it to piss off Audrina. Which, by the way, I want to say I could be wrong about this, but I want to say I did not actually text her. I think what happened was MTV was trying to orchestrate a lunch between the two of us. And I think I was also saying, like, I want to talk to Audrina. That's. I don't remember those conversations, but I just know how I am. And I would imagine that that's the stance I had taken. But she's saying, you know, you can't trust her, meaning me. The girls are saying Lauren told her that you can't trust me, that I'm a boyfriend stealer. And so she's not going to go to lunch with me. And let me just go on record here and say that I can put. I would put money on the fact that I don't think Lauren ever told her that you can't trust me and that I'm a boyfriend stealer, because I just want to acknowledge the fact that I never stole anyone's boyfriend. Okay. I don't think Lauren would say that when that's sort of like what she was accused of on Laguna Beach. I never stole anyone's boyfriend. That's just not my character. I never have. I never would. So I can't imagine someone saying that about me. But again, it's Just amps up the drama for the show. So, okay, so I'm wanting to go to lunch with Audrina. She's saying she's not going. Okay. Then we cut to the comedic relief, which is Heidi and Spencer. So they're in their new house. Their house is right by the Hollywood sign. Very cool. This was also a fake house. We've established that my Malibu house was a fake house. Heidi and Spencer's sick house up in the hills is also fake. That was not their real house. And Heidi is really pushing the fact that she wants kids. Spencer does not want kids at all. I mean, this is, like, the meat of their storyline. Is Heidi really wanting to get Spencer on board to have kids and Spencer really pushing back on that. And again, I mean, I hate bursting people's bubbles, but that was all pretty much for the show. Heidi and Spencer are pros in the sense that I'd say there was, like, a handful of us, right, filming these shows where we knew, okay, we need storylines, we need drama, we need to bring it, because we're making a TV show. So there were a lot of people that fell into that bucket. And then there were some people that fell into the bucket of, like, just not knowing what was real and what was fake and just getting lost in the gray area. And I always felt like coming from Laguna beach, that was a scary place to be because you just, you know, you don't know what's real and what's fake, and it's. You can really lose yourself in that, I think. And so that's why, when I joined the Hills, I really made it a point to have a totally separate life. Like, I had my friends off camera. I dated off camera. And then there was show life. And it was really easy because we only filmed three days a week. Three days a week and three different scenes a day. And it was very much like an acting job in the sense where, you know, you got your call time and you knew what three scenes you were going to be shooting. And, like, let's say I was in all three scenes on Wednesday. Well, I had to have all three of my outfits planned out, and if they were going to be back to back, I would have to bring my change of clothes with me. Like, let's say I was filming a scene at Brody's house for the first scene, and then I would change and go to a lunch scene, and then I would potentially have to change again and then go to drinks. Or sometimes I wouldn't be in the second scene so I could go home. And change or whatever and I'd come back for the third scene like it just all depended on what was going on. And we filmed wake up scenes sometimes at three o' clock in the afternoon. I mean it's so funny because I will kind of read some of the comments on these Hills posts. I'm just kind of curious what you guys are saying. 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Oh, my God, I can't even wear 6 inch heels ever anymore. I mean, I used to live in heels. The higher the better. And now I don't know what happened. You know what it was when. When I was pregnant for basically, I don't know, like, three years straight. Like, wasn't three years, but basically for three and a half years straight, I was either pregnant or breastfeeding. But during that phase, I stopped wearing heels. And I was always wearing heels before that. And I. It made it so that I don't know what happened with my feet. I literally can no longer wear those really high heels anymore. I don't know. So it's just funny to me. I was just going to a casual lunch in a 6.6inch heel. Okay, so what happened was Audrina stands me up at this lunch. And so Lo comes in. And what happened was, because I do vaguely remember this, Audrina really did stand me up. And I shouldn't say, yes, she stood me up. But also, I didn't really have any communication with her. It was all through mtv. And same thing with Low. It wasn't like I texted Low and was like, can you come meet me? MTV orchestrated all of that. But. But I will say, because this was real. Low wasn't just on standby, and I was waiting there for a very long time. And I remember that. And so listen, I mean, that is making a Statement by Adrina, for sure. Especially because you guys have to understand, from my perspective, so far from my perspective, nothing has actually happened with Justin and I because the London hotel doesn't count. I. Nothing obviously happened with Justin and I, and the girls freaked out, so I was pissed. I did go and get drinks with Justin again, because, you guys, I'm filming a TV show, and I'm. I looked at the Hills as a job. So when they're like, hey, we're gonna have you go get drinks with Justin Bobby, I'm like, okay. And in my head, I'm going, but I'm going to tell him nothing is ever going to happen between the two of us. Obviously, they didn't air that, but that was my intention. And so in my head, I'm like, cool, I still want to talk to Audrina. And I wanted to tell Audrina that I had told Justin Bobby nothing was going to happen, but she blows me off. And so I'm also like, I'm still kind of confused because, again, Audrina and I had talked leading up to it. I thought we were going to be allies. I thought we were going to be buddies. The whole London hotel thing blew up, and now she's standing me up, and I just wanted to tell her where I was coming from. So I'm like, fuck this girl, essentially. So Low comes, and she says she's surprised I called her. She asks if something is going on with Justin and I, and I tell her no, that we flirted at drinks, but it was just getting to know each other. And I tell Low that he told me that Audrina and Justin were never a couple. Which, you know, she has this look on her face like, oh, my God, I can't believe it. Which, by the way, we all know how guys are. I think there's two kind of two parts to this. When a guy says that nothing was really going on with them, I think, yes, I think sometimes guys definitely lie. And again, I never saw the Hills prior to me joining the show, so I don't know what was said on camera or not or even just between the two of them, but there's a strong chance that he told Audrina they were together, and then he lied to me about it. Thousand percent. There's also a strong chance that he never said, yes, Audrina, we are a couple. We're exclusive. But they acted like it, and she took it like they were exclusive and they were a couple, when in his head, they weren't. Those are two very real, very Real scenarios that could have happened. And I, to this day still don't know obviously what it was between them. But it's not like I'm sitting there going, oh, yeah, no, I mean, I definitely believe Justin. Like, I wasn't. You know, I wasn't coming from that stance. I was just saying, like, I think because I hadn't actually talked to Audrina and I had only talked to Justin in my head, I. I was thinking, okay, well, I think she probably thought they were more than they actually were. So just throwing that out there. I laughed at this because I say that I'm actually hurt because I put myself out there and she blew me off. So, like, okay, fudgeing. Relax, Kristen. You're hurt that Adriana blew you off. I mean, I guess maybe hurt was probably the wrong word. I think it was fair that I was pretty disappointed and kind of bummed out because I was trying to be a girl's girl consistently, right? Like, it wasn't like, the London hotel thing happened, and I was like, fuck her. Okay, I'm going to go, you know, date Justin. I still was trying to meet up with her and tell her that nothing was going on, and she wouldn't listen to me. So anyways, I just think, like, okay, relax. I'm trying. I'm trying to play the victim. Like, everyone just needs to calm down. So there's another wild line, which I say I probably should just go for Justin. Complete wild line. And then that's when I do say, you mess with me, I mess with you. Which fully thousand percent is something that would have come out of my mouth. And I mean, it did come out of my mouth. I'm just saying, like, that was very much a me line back in the day. And then they have me laughing and Low looking absolutely terrified. So then they have Adrina shopping again. The girl loves to shop. And now she's with Lo and Stephanie, and Lo is downloading Audrina on the conversation that we had. And Lo says that I seemed sincere, but I had such an attitude that it's hard to believe. So that statement is a bit of an oxymoron. And she told her that I already went out with him. It's just so funny because, like, again, to me, that wasn't a date. I met Justin for drinks because MTV asked me to. Like, you guys, open up your eyes. That's not a date. And again, I told Low that I told Justin at drinks nothing was gonna happen between the two of us. And Adrina says it's girl code. You know, you just don't do that. But again, I would argue, Audrina, I'm sitting here trying to do right by girl code. I mean, I thought I had girl code leading into the London hotel that went out the window. And then I tried to meet up with you again to establish some sort of a connection between the two of us, some sort of line of communication so that she could understand nothing was actually going on. And so I would like to say, hey, Adrina, girl code right back in your face, my little sweet thing. By the way, again, totally can appreciate that she really thought Justin and I were dating. By the way, I love Audrina too. Audrina and I are friends. I'm not like talking shit on Audrina. And this is obviously so long ago in our early 20s, and it's very different now. So my point is, though, I. I can totally appreciate why she didn't come to lunch, why she's kind of upset with me. I mean, I. I get it. And by the way, like, why didn't I just text her and be like, hey, Audrina, nothing is going on with Justin and I. I don't know. I don't know if. Well, I don't know. That's. Who knows? I guess maybe because it was the biggest storyline on camera, so I felt like maybe I needed to save it for camera. I don't really know. But if you have that question, I also kind of have that question too. So I don't know. All right, so the ladies are setting up that they are going to go see this band, which is so funny because the whole conversation is pretty much wild lines. And then now we're back at Heidi Spencer's and we are meeting their neighbors. And their neighbors have a six year old nephew, Enzo. And God, I did remember Enzo. Enzo is like the only thing I really remember from the show. But I remember thinking Enzo was such a character. He's so funny and I mean, he really is. He's so bubbly on camera and he's just. I mean, he's hilarious. And like, I just think also what a fun, funny storyline. The whole Heidi and Spencer. You know, Heidi wants kids, Spencer doesn't want kids. And now they have a neighbor with a six year old kid. Like, oh my gosh, what a coincidence. I also, oh, I should have texted Heidi. I really need to just have Heidi on speed dial for this stuff. But I want to say that was not their neighbor, you guys. I don't think that this couple and Enzo were their real neighbors. Could be Wrong. But I'm pretty sure. So Heidi says she would love to babysit Enzo, and it's really cute. Enzo calls Spencer spender. That was kind of genius. And, God, Spencer says this line to Heidi, you guys, he says, heidi, I'm trying to look at you, and I'm not even seeing the girl I married. You're so crazy. Because he's pissed about Heidi offering to babysit. And while Spencer is playing it up and essentially playing this character, him and Heidi both. They're in on the joke. I can see why the audience. Why he rubbed the audience the wrong way, because talking to your wife like that, some of the things he says, I was also like, oh, I don't like that. Even if. Even if you guys are not being serious, I still was like, it didn't. It didn't sit well with me. Spender, Spender. We can't talk to our wife like that. Even if. Even if it's a storyline. I didn't like it. Now we're just randomly out at a club, and it's Brody and Frankie and then Justin and me, and they make it seem like Justin and I showed up together. Oh, also, Stephanie is there, thank God, because, you know, she's Audrina's eyes. And so they. They make it seem like we came together. Brody says that we came together, and they, like, cut to me, and I'm like. Like, do some, like, dumb face or whatever. Which was obviously not my response to Brody. Who knows what that was my response to? But we did not show up together. 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Go to Hero Co and use code honest at checkout. That's honest. H E R O dot CO. Okay, so I am not proud of what I'm about to tell you guys. But it's just this was my reality. I told you guys I had a whole separate group of friends that were not on the show. I was dating someone too. I'm trying to think when I was dating him, it might. You know what? It was around. I think it was around this time. And so the night before this club scene, I was out all night, you guys. Like all night. I don't think I really slept. And then I showed up to a club and was filming. I mean, I looked at the scene. Cause I'll never forget that. Cause I was. I would hope that was a big deal for me that I didn't really sleep. And then I showed up to film like that's batshit crazy. And I remember being like, oh. But I, like, was totally fine. And I, you know, like, brought my A game filming. And I'll never forget it too, because this was the first time, or was it the. May have been the only time actually, that Justin and I kissed on camera. Well, the only time we ever kissed. But the producers had asked me to kiss him and I. You guys, I don't know if he knows that or not. Actually. I was really trying to remember. And. But wait, I feel like, because, okay, so the whole night, they have us. They have Justin and I going to the bar, we're getting some tequila and. And we're, you know, we're kind of flirting. We're dancing together at one point. And at the bar, he wants to know what I think about him. And, you know, I. I tell him that the girls had nothing nice to say about him, but that all the guys had really great things to say about him and that I think he's a good guy after getting drinks with him. And then. So then we're dancing and you can tell, I mean, I'm hammered. And you can always tell that I'm hammered because back in the day, I never enunciated. But it got even worse, if you can believe it or not. I'm just. Everything I say is like one long run on sentence. And I tell him, let's not base our relationship off of what anyone else says. And then it cuts back to Audrina at this concert, and it's got this sad music playing and she looks depressed. And then they cut back to Justin and I at the club and we're flirting and, you know, having so much fun together. And then, okay, so that's when the kiss happens. So what happened was, so we're at this club and there was like this little area kind of off on your own. And that's where I think we were all kind of like hanging out there for a little while. And we stopped filming for a bit. And the producers were like, kiss him. Like, we want you to kiss him. And I think every time they would ask me that. Well, I think they only asked me that. No, they asked me it. I think three times. I actually did it twice on the show. But so this was the first time. And I think at first I was always like, no, oh my God, I'm not gonna do that. And then I can easily be persuaded, especially again, because, you guys, I looked at this really as like an acting job, and it made it more fun for me. I was sort of, like, playing up this character and having fun. And also with the adrena of it all, at this point, I'm like, the gloves are off. Like, I'm gonna do whatever the hell I'm gonna do to make a good show and what's gonna be fun for me, Because I'd be lying if I said that this wasn't fun. Like, my job was to go to a club and flirt with Justin Bobby. Like, yeah, okay, I'll go. I'll do that. No problem. And so which, by the way, you guys, Justin Bobby was so hot. So hot. Watching it back, I'm like, damn, he really was hot. He really was hot. Also, I want to get Justin Bobby to come on the podcast to talk about an episode with me or just all of it as a whole. So I don't know if anyone has any way of getting a hold of him. Can you let him know that I want. I want to have him on the podcast? I DM'd him, but I haven't heard back. Whatever. He's really mad at me. So finally I'm like, fine, whatever. I'll kiss him. And by the way, I'm hammered. So really, I'm like, yeah, why not? A fun drunk makeout. Sure. So they have Justin kind of, like, off on his own, and then I, like, go up to him and kiss him, basically, and they make it seem like Stephanie is watching, which maybe I don't know if she was. I feel like we were kind of off on our own, but who knows? I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the producers or someone was like, look. Look over there. I would want to ask Justin if he knew that they had asked me to do that or not. Because I think when we kissed, I don't think he knew that was coming. Or did he? Because I. I know it was like, it was a conversation, not just with me and one producer. Like, it was a conversation. And so, no, he must have known. He must have known because also, that kiss. I actually didn't really kiss him. Like, he kind of kissed me. Like, I leaned in, but he definitely kissed me. So maybe he was in on it too. Now that I really think about it, that would be my guess, because I can't imagine. I'm like, surprise. Kiss him. There's just no way. There's just no way. I definitely would have said something. I'm too much of an open book. Like, I'm too much of a. Of someone that just kind of, like, puts everything out there. So I. I must have Been like, okay, Justin, we're doing this, like, are you game? You know, kind of a thing. All right, so all that scandal is happening at the club. We cut back to Enzo now at Heidi and Spencer's house. Heidi is with him babysitting, and Spencer comes home like, what the fuck is going on? He is so pissed. Which, like, imagine, imagine there's a six year old at your house and that's how your husband behaves when he comes home. He's like so mad that this little six year old is there. I mean, it's just it. I mean, I told you guys, my mom said it back in the day. Heidi and Spencer are the comedic relief. And if you can look at them through a comedic lens, God, I think they are just so. They're just so funny. So the two of them are just pushing each other's buttons left and right. Spencer always has funny lines, but he says, I can barely be around adults. How am I supposed to be around kids? Okay, so we're back at the club. And so I had a couple thoughts when I was watching this episode of, you know, me at the club and flirting and dancing and making out and all the things. And my two thoughts, polar opposite thoughts are the first one being I forget that my mom and my dad and like cousins and aunts and everyone that I pretty much ever knew would watch this. And I sort of looked at it from this angle of like, God, I was like, kind of embarrassed being like, wow, my parents watched this and I mean, as much as I could hide behind, you know, the idea that it was all staged and set up and everything, like, yeah, sure, but in the same breath, I mean, I'm the one making out with someone on camera and I mean, they always show me in this negative light that it's like, I don't know, I could just. I don't know. I think it would be hard for me as a mom to watch like Sailor as the Kristen on a reality show. I. I don't know. I. I don't know. That just didn't sit well with me thinking that, you know, I don't think my grandma ever watched it. I would really hope not. But like, I don't know, even family, friends and stuff, this kind of. It's funny because I didn't have that feeling from Laguna beach, but I definitely had it watching the Hills, I think because the Hills, it was amped up. It was magnified again because I was like, cool, it's a job. What do you want me to do? I'm game. Let's do it. I Where there was more of an innocence to Laguna beach, and now the Hills was like Kristen on Laguna beach times a thousand. And I clearly just did not give a fuck. And the other thought that I had was I really looked at it, thinking how fun it was, which is interesting because at the time, while, yes, I was having a lot of fun, it was kind of stressful, too. And I think probably the more stressful part was living out this fake life in the tabloid world. And that was before social media, so I couldn't really get on and be like, hey, guys, let me clear this up. And so it just was like, that's just what people thought was real and what was going on. And they really thought that I was this way. I mean, people really thought I was this girl. And yes, there was a side of my personality that was this girl, but that was not. This was not really who I was. And so that was more of the energy that I lived in during this time. But when I was watching it back, I really looked at it being like, this was so cool. This whole experience was really cool. And the fact that I did get to call this a job, I was so lucky because, I mean, really, it was fun. And while, yes, there were annoying things about it, right? Like having to have the same conversation five times and, you know, being asked to do things that, okay, sure, maybe you wouldn't do or whatever, but, like, overall, it was really fun. And I had a lot of fun filming the Hills. And I don't know, it just. I think I was really lucky that that got to be the path I went down. And again, I'm not going to take away from the fact that it also brought a lot of. A lot of stress and a lot of hard times, but overall, that moment in time in your life, your early 20s, like, when I watch the Hills, I just see so much freedom. Freedom and fun and just not really a lot of responsibility. Even though at the time you think there's a ton of responsibility. And, I mean, I don't want to take away from the fact that, you know, I was grinding like, I was busting my ass, because the days we weren't filming, I was doing press for the show. I was, you know, I had a lot of photo shoots and stuff. Like, it was a machine. The Hills was sort of this machine. It was, like, constant. And for being, you know, 22, like, it was kind. You know, it was a lot, but nothing compared to the responsibility that I have today. And so I think just from that point of View. It just was like, oh, it's kind of cool that I get to go back and look at this phase of my life, and I get little snapshots into it in this weird, wild way. I don't know. It's very cool. But with that, I. I do want to say that the hardest part about these shows, I think, is hearing what other people say about you behind your back. And again, Audrina had every right to say some not nice things about me. I think the part that was a little bit stickier for me was, like, Stephanie and Low, because I never had issues with them, at least I thought, you know, And I think you can actually tell when Lo comes to lunch with me. You can tell there's nothing weird between us, obviously. I had known Low since I was a freshman in high school. We had history being on Laguna beach, of course, together. And Lo and I were never best friends, but we were definitely closer than Laguna beach had made it seem. Lo and I used to hang out together at parties and stuff, and Low was actually really fun. And I know that we were hanging even at the London hotel. Like, I remember talking to those girls, and, you know, they just don't show it as much. And so I think for me, it was hearing what th. Those girls said about me that kind of stung. And again, even though I know, listen, they were team players, too. I think everyone was amping it up for the show, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that. That, I think, is definitely the hardest part. But so Stephanie and Audrina now are catching up about the night before, and, you know, Stephanie tells her that we were making out. And, you know, this just fuels everything that Audrina had already been thinking. Like, of course, now she thinks that everything was real. You know, that we've been flirting and hanging out this whole time. And Audrina says he's such a different person now. Just like making out in a club, pda. And this kind of like, implying that he never was about PDA with her, and now all of a sudden, he's making out with me at a club. So this kind of goes with what we were saying earlier. This is an indicator to me that he actually wasn't as serious about her as she was kind of hoping or as she thought. Because if a guy will not show you any PDA in public, I think that's kind of weird. And listen, I think as you get older, I think peop. I know some people just don't like PDA, but I think in your early 20s, when you're going out to clubs and you're drinking and you're having fun, if a guy will not show you any pda, to me, that's a red flag. I think it's a little different. Obviously, now is like, in your late 30s or whatnot. And obviously, if you've been in a relationship for a long time, this does not apply. This is, like, strictly for the early days, in your early twenties. I just think. I don't know. If a man won't make out with you in public, he's not your man. So the girls say that I'm just down for a good time, which is funny because Adriana won't talk to me. So it's funny that they think they know anything about me. And she says if I do really like him, that Justin's just playing me, but that I can figure it out on my own. So let's cue the motorcycle ride. Of course. Mtv, you geniuses. So Justin and I are on his motorcycle. We're out in Malibu. It really is my first time on a motorcycle. I had not been on a bike ever before. And so we go eat lunch and Malibu, really? It's just. It's so beautiful, and it's hard to beat California. Our waitress, I say, thank you or something, and she says, oh, for shizzle. Like, what? I thought that was really funny. I thought it was even funnier that MTV kept that in the episode. This is actually when I really noticed that Justin looked good. I was like, damn. I was like, go, Kristen. So I'm giving Justin shit for playing games, right? And he says, yeah, I'm a game player and you're a liar. And I'm like, I'm not a liar. How did I lie? And he says that you said, we're only going to be friends. Which I say I had to. It was the right thing to do. And I say if Adriana and I met up, that this never would have happened. And so I really stand by that, you guys. I. If Audrina and I had made peace and her and I were talking, I never would have kept this storyline going. I never would have kissed Justin, which now has led to us going on a motorcycle. I never would have done any of that. But again, the gloves are off like this. It is what it is. And so that is really genuine. But listen, there is a heavy flirt happening. I told you guys last time, the flirting is very real. It is very real. And I tell him that, you know, you love me. And so now there's this conversation of like, what happens now? Justin asked me what happens now? And I'm like, I don't know. I kind of like it, though. And I tell him, I just want to have a good time. Which. Why is this always coming out of my mouth and everyone else's mouth around me? I guess maybe. Maybe I did just want to have a good time. But that for me, you guys, was because I. I liked Justin. And he's gorgeous, obviously, and we're very flirty, but I think in my head, that was kind of where it stopped. And, I mean, unless something else happens that I don't remember, I am 99.9 sure that was the only time I kissed him was on camera. Unless there was another time at the Malibu house, but I don't think so. I think the only time I kissed him was on camera when they had asked me to at the club. And in my head, because I didn't really want to date him. Like, I liked him and I was flirting with him. Like, those were all very real things, but I didn't actually want to date him. And, no, I didn't hook up with him. I saw some people also in the comments being like, well, yeah, you didn't date him, but did you hook up with him? No, I never hooked up with him. And in fact, I think I say that. Oh, I say that in the next episode. So I think for me, being like, I just want to have a good time is me trying to be like, this is kind of all it's gonna be in a nice way. I'm trying to, like, let him down kind of easy. But I did find myself smiling again, you guys watching this scene with Justin and I. And, like, it's like I'm literally rooting for him. And I. It's like, so. I don't know. It's. It's really funny. It's because I really. I don't know, I guess because so much time has passed, I'm. I really do feel like I'm watching it as a viewer instead of, like, watching myself. And also, again, because I wasn't, like, I wasn't, like, trying to date Justin. For me, there was, like, no emotion that I'm not, like, connected to the emotion that I felt back in the day. I'm really just able to watch it as a viewer. Like, okay, here's the difference is watching scenes back with Stephen and I, it was like. Like, everything in me tensed up, and it would still kind of affect me in a way because my emotions were so real. Like, everything I felt on Laguna beach was so real because that was my real boyfriend where like with Justin there was like there was no real emotion there. So I can just kind of watch it as a viewer which makes it really fun. So I hope that makes sense. Anyways, so I don't know, I guess here we are. I'm a viewer as well and I'm rooting for Justin and I. So let's see what happens. Guys. I have no idea. So the next time is Brody's birthday and some drama happens with Justin so you guys will have to tune in for that one. So I will see you guys in two weeks for Hills, but I'll see you guys next week for a regular pod. Love ya. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.