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The following podcast is a Dr. Media production. This is, let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality tv, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Welcome in, guys. How is everybody? If you're watching, I have on my Laguna beach surf and sport hat in honor of the reunion and all of the questions that you guys submitted for this. I'm just feeling all around the Laguna love. And actually, right before I started taping this, I just found out that the Laguna beach reunion is the number one show on Roku. So I am feeling very good right now. And I know that you guys have all been loving the reunion, which makes me so happy. I'm so happy that we did it for so many different reasons. And. And I figured today I could answer some of your questions specifically about the reunion, because when I asked you guys on Instagram what you wanted to talk about, I mean, like, 70% of the questions were about Laguna Beach. And so I screenshot a bunch. I have them here, and we're just gonna go through them and talk all things Laguna. And so a lot of the questions were, let's see. We'll start with how you're feeling after revisiting Laguna beach and reuniting with everybody. I mean, honestly, I feel like a broken record in my life because I've set it to my friends. I just got off the phone with my agents. I have said it to family. I've said it in interviews. But I. I feel so incredible with this whole experience. I didn't know I needed this. And since we've done it and now it's out and everything, it is honestly been so healing for me in so many ways. And again, it's like one of those things. I thought I was fine. I didn't know that I needed it. I was obviously going about my life perfectly fine. But now, having had the experience and with it being out there, I do, there's, like, a piece of my soul that just feels at ease now. It's a little more peaceful, and it. It has been healing, and what an incredible experience it is. And it's really hard to put into words, but for so many. There's so many layers to it, right? Like, obviously, the personal dynamics, and specifically, you know, Lauren and I, I think coming together and getting to know her now as an adult and develop some sort of a relationship with her has been really great, and I've really enjoyed spending time with her. The time that, you know. Because obviously what. You know, it's. It's interesting because. And I had a lot of questions about this, and I'm just going to read them, and then we'll dig into it. Someone said, your newfound friendship with Lauren, we all love it. But then some people said the reunion was real. It seemed fake, especially you and LC Someone also said that they felt like this is a long message, and it was nice. Like it. You know, they talk about how strong I seem and how, you know, my life's been public for a long time, and there's a lot about me that you guys don't know, and that's good and blah, blah, blah. But then she goes in and says, I sensed you being tired at the reunion, and not physically, you looked amazing, but more emotionally. And it's a good thing, right? She says, like, you're shedding a skin for the next thing. And so I want to talk about this. I do think so. The reunion. Okay, so the very first thing that we shot was the reunion soundstage with Casey, the host. And that was the first time I had seen Lauren and a few other people in, I mean, probably 15 years, like, at least. And I was nervous, but I was nervous because not only have I not seen some of these people in a long time, we are being thrown into a very unnatural situation. Like, I don't know how these shows that are on today do these reunions all the time, but for me, that's the first reunion I've ever done, and I'm doing it with people again who this is stuff that it's been over 20 years, and we're rehashing it, and I don't know what I'm going to be asked, Right. I'm an executive producer, so, like, I have a good idea, but, like, in the moment, it's always. Even if someone handed me all of the questions, it's very different than when you're in the moment on a soundstage in front of all these cameras and lights, in front of all these people with the entire cast. Like, I get nervous for that stuff. And, yes, I've been doing this stuff for 22 years. I will never be 100% comfortable in an interview or in a situation like that. It's just not a natural thing for anybody. I really applaud people who can 100% be calm and cool in those situations and also answer intelligently and say exactly what they want to say, because most of the time in those situations, I answer it, right? And then I look back, I'M like, why the fuck didn't I say this? Or, like, even the reunion, I'm like, there's a lot more I should have said, said about the image that I was portrayed in and what I was actually going through. Because I also feel like there is a piece where it's been so long, right, that, like, we're rehashing it, but it's like, also, what is the point? Why am I going to bring up some of the real emotions that I felt and how I actually did sort of feel like the victim in all of that? But it's also like. But I never want to be the victim. I'm not gonna, like, sit in front of the whole cast and on again on a soundstage and be like, I was a victim, you know? And I just think I'm not trying, like, it wasn't fake, but I think there's a level of people trying to put their best foot forward, myself included. And there's an element of, why are we going to really get into the weeds when it's been so long? There's no real point. My point with that is I felt like Lauren and I actually got to connect on my podcast when she came on my podcast, because, again, the soundstage, that's not connecting with anybody. You're. That's like being in the hot seat. That's like an interrogation. You're not connecting. And then we went to New York and we did press together. Well, we were in la, but that was the whole cast, and that was really chaotic and there was a million people around. But then Stephen, Lauren and I were in New York for a couple days together, just the three of us, right? And coming off of the podcast and then having that time with her, I do now feel like I have a really good sense of who she is. I do feel like we have a good dynamic, and I really. I respect her on so many levels, and I really have enjoyed my time with her, but that didn't happen for me until after the reunion, if I'm just being completely honest. And so that has nothing to do with producers, with it being fake in any way, shape or form. In fact, that was the realest thing we've ever done. I think the difference was just that there are real nerves, and that is just such an unnatural thing. That's what I will always just resort back to, is that that's not a natural thing for people to do. You know, like, think about it like your own high school reunion. You're kind of nervous for that, right? And then imagine you're put in front of everybody with lights and cameras and you're being interrogated in front of, like your core people who you had drama with. Like, it' just a weird thing. It's a. It's a really weird thing to do. A lot of people ask for a Laguna reunion behind the scenes. You know, here's what I'll tell you is there wasn't anything crazy that happened. But what happened was, so we did the soundstage in LA and then we had a day off. And then we went to Laguna beach and we had two days of filming. And when we were all in Laguna, we would go to my hotel a lot after we shot and we would get drinks a lot. I mean, it was like, what, two days? Three days? I guess it was three days. And that was really fun. And we got to catch up off camera, of course, and that was really nice too. And it was really fun being in Laguna. But a lot of it was shot. I mean, most of it was on camera. Just the only thing I would say that was like a little BTS was just like the late night, not late night. It was the nighttime drinks, which was really fun. I'm trying to think, like, what else happened? Yeah, I don't know. That was kind of it. Like, it. It really was just what you saw on the show was so true to just how we were with each other in general. It really was just a feel good, catch up, nostalgic thing for all of us. And it made all of us feel really good to be able to come together. And I know how incredible it is to be part of a show that is able to come back all of these years later and have a moment like this. Doing a reunion show 22 years later and happiness be number one is. It's incredible. And I will forever be grateful for that. And I mean, Laguna beach completely changed my life. And so being able to all come back together like that and have those conversations, I think is really, really special. You guys asked what got cut from the reunion, so I won't lie to you. So I saw different cuts of the reunion and things changed. I don't even know if I watched the final. The final cut, if I'm being completely honest, because I had seen it like five times or something at that point. So I was like, I'm good, you know, Like, I haven't watched it since it came out. It's been months and months since I've seen it. But I do know Steven, Dieter, Jessica, and I did recreate the infamous feta feet Pasta dinner. They gave us our lines on cue cards and we reenacted it on this. On the soundstage that was in the original cut. And then it didn't make it. But I think that they've released it maybe online or somewhere as like a bonus, little bonus content. So there's that. You know, here's the thing too is those soundstage days are so long. I mean, we started early. I want to say we were out there like 8am I. We didn't get done until probably like 6 or 7pm and. And I knew the whole time we're out there, I'm like, the amount that we're filming and how much of this is going to get cut is like. That always frustrates me because I know, obviously, but I think it's almost intentional that they do that because, like, I don't know, I think when you start to cut worn out and you're tired, like, they sometimes get the best reactions. I don't know if that's accurate, I think. And also I think there's a component where they just want to cover all the bases because until they're in the edit, they don't know exactly what's going to make it. And that's fair and that's understandable. But those are really long days. And so, I mean, so much got cut, right? Like, so much. But I couldn't even tell you. Like, I don't even remember. I just know a large portion of the day was dedicated to the love triangle. I mean, of course, but that was kind of eggs. All right, let's talk about Branch Basics. You guys know I care a lot about what I put in and on my body, but I also care greatly about what is in my home and specifically about cleaning supplies. So not only do I love Branch Basics because they give me peace of mind and create a safe environment for my entire family, but what's so great about them is they are shipped to you all of the bottles, and then it's environmental friendly because all you then have to have moving forward is their concentrate. 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And people just, you know, they were fine with the cameras being at parties and stuff. And if it obviously, if it was like a. An MTV party, like at one of our houses or like the black and white party was put on by mtv, like, you know, if you're going to that party, the cameras are going to be there. And actually what we would do is a lot of times we would go do like the MTV party and then we would, you know, get what we needed to get, and then we would leave and go to a. The real party. And so that happened. That happened a lot. Mtv, in a way, was like our job, you know, and we looked at it like that and it was like, okay, let's go do our thing and then we can have like the real fun. And. But sometimes there was crossover. And those episodes, you can definitely tell, like the Christmas party when everyone comes back. That one was both, you know, who. Z and I had a little fiesta one time. That one was a real party and that MTV happened to be there. And you can tell, like, we were out of control. I mean, blacked out on camera, like, what. Maybe that was season two, but you know what I'm saying? I mean, it was probably better for me that I would like go to the work party and then go to the real party, because when I didn't. Oof. You can tell. Okay. Yes. Someone else said how you really felt at the reunion. I sensed you holding back some emotions. I don't think you're wrong. I mean, it's interesting that a lot of people picked up on this. Yeah, I think, I think I was trying to be on my best behavior. I think I was. I was walking a fine line of really putting it all out there and being like, kind of, what's the point? I Don't know. It's a hard thing. I also, I go through these phases where I probably care more than I should about how I'm coming off. And I think I was a little self conscious at the reunion for sure. And I think when you're with a group of people, like, it's a really natural thing to kind of pick up on everybody else's energy. And when everyone is in Kumbaya, I can't be the only one who steps out, you know, Like, I do feel like a sort of obligation to like, play the game and that's so not who I am. Right. But I also understand the tone of this reunion is that this look, because again, what is the point? And I will say, though, I really do wish I defended myself a little bit more. I do. But I was trying to defend myself while also be conscious of other people's feelings. And that was where we landed. So I don't know, for better or for worse, it just sort of is what it is. But I think I could have done, done a better job of defending myself for sure. So you're not wrong in that at all. Also, like, I don't know, I have a big personality, okay, that's not shocking to anybody. And I can be a little spicy and I can be kind of a firecracker, but I am an empath and I, I always sort of like mold to the energy of the room and like, what's collectively going on around me. And that's probably not a good thing. In a situation like that though, I kind of feel like, I don't know, I think it, it might be okay. I don't know. The last month, crazy period. All the press and reunion and LC podcast. I think from the outside it looks like it's been a crazy month because, yeah, there's been a ton of press, but if I really broke it down for you guys, it actually hasn't been that much. So we were in LA and what we did was it was one day. We. We had a press junket all day. So that just means you sit in a room and different media outlets come in and they interview you. And then that night we had our big premiere party and that was it. So it was one day in la and then Lauren, Steven and I had two days of press in New York. So really, when you, when you break it down, it really is not that much. And I'll just tell you guys, like when they were coming to me about all of the press, that I could have done my biggest thing in my life Right now is I can't be gone for extended periods of time. You know, like, my kids are the priority and we're in the middle of travel basketball season and my daughter's playing volleyball and I don't want to miss that stuff. And so anyone who's worked with me in the last couple years knows that, like, you get a really short amount of time with me, but for this stuff. But I really love how Roku did it because they just knocked it out and they got us, you know, the best outlets and everything. And it was really seamless and really effective, which is how it should always be. But yeah, I think from the outside world it looks like we've just been on this like crazy month long press tour, but it's been very digestible with having three kids and also running a business and doing the podcast and everything else that I'm doing. But I love that you think that. But I think that's the only reason I think that's important to break down is because I don't want to. I don't know, I, I. Well, I think probably for my own sake is I don't want you moms to think that I'm, I've been away from my kids for a month or like they're home with a babysitter or, I don't know. I find a way in my life to do it all in a small capacity. Meaning, yes, I'm gonna go on a press tour, quote, unquote. But it's gonna be how it works for my life. You know, I can absolutely go to LA for a day. And by the way, while I was there, I stayed for two days and I knocked out three podcasts the next day. You know, it's like, that's how I work is just trying to fit everything together and be as efficient as possible. And then I was home for a week and then I flew to New York for two days. And by the way, it's an hour and a half from New York. I went on a Monday, I was home Wednesday, and so that's really, you know, doable for me. And actually, when you guys listen to this, I'll be back in New York and I'm gonna be on watch what happens live tonight also again to, you know, promote the show. And I love going on that show, but it's going to New York from Nashville is a piece of cake. It really is so easy. And I'm filming a podcast in New York too, so I always try to like, find ways where I can make it. Also work for me. And where if I've got a little downtime, I'm gonna film a podcast. And I'm like, I just. Because I get this question a lot from you guys is like, how I balance it all, how I do it all. And I. I just think it's important to break that down so that you guys know realistically what it looks like, because I can't. I can't be in LA for a week. I can't be in New York for a week. Like, that's just not realistic for my life. And so I just think that's important to know. And also because I'm proud of the mom that I am, and I want that to come through, and I know that it does come through, but they're my priority. Promoting a show is not my priority, and I just think that's also important to hear. As moms, we do have to make sacrifices. My career is sacrificed. And I'm saying I've said this a million times. So again, I sound like another broken record. But what I mean by that, I don't mean it's. I don't mean that my career has suffered. What I mean is my career looks very different because I have kids than if I didn't have kids. And I'm so thankful for it because, listen, I'm doing a podcast for my house. Like, I will never take that for granted. But what I'm saying is, like, if I didn't have kids, I would be in LA or New York a lot more, and I would be getting more guest podcasts, and I would just. There'd be more going on. Right? But I sacrifice that because I want to be home with my kids. And sacrifice is definitely probably not the right word. I'm sure there's a better word out there for it, because it's not a sacrifice. It's just. But as a mom, we have to make decisions, and my kids are always the first, you know, my top priority. And so I just. I don't know. I think that's important. This is just sweet. I just thought this was. And I've seen a lot of comments like this, and someone said, I just want more Laguna content that healed my millennial heart. This is what I love so much about 2026 is women supporting women. This generation is healing, and when the millennials heal, it trickles out to the other generations. And I do. I feel like we're in this really great positive energy in 2026, and I just want to keep the momentum going and all of the healing that you guys feel from this reunion. I feel, I know the whole cast feels. It just. Yes, it's feel good. And you know, I will say that is what Lauren, Steven and I set out to do from the jump was this is not going to be a Housewives reunion. No shade to the housewives. But we don't want the drama. It's not about the drama. It's not about the cattiness. And I don't like watching that stuff. Right. I used to love the Housewives. That was my favorite show. We're talking like 15 years ago, but. But I can't watch that stuff anymore because it makes me like, I get uncomfortable. Like grown women behaving like that. It. It like makes me sad. I just, I just. Life doesn't have to be like that, you know? And we set out to do a feel good nostalgic reunion and it really translated and you guys are feeling that. And so I'm really proud of it. 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I personally recommend trying Awaken or Their Pleasure Set with all three of their best sellers. Okay, a lot of questions about Low and things like did you and Low patch things up? So I didn't talk to Low actually Like, this is so crazy, because it. I do feel like the one person I probably could have used, like, obviously more than Lauren, like, hey, let's clear the air. Sort of a thing I feel like, was low and Lo was about to pop. She was about to have a baby when we did the soundstage and Laguna, so she couldn't come. So we. We zoomed her in, but she was on a screen. And, I mean, there was, you know, with the whole cast and everything. There was no interaction between the two of us. And then she had just had a baby, so she didn't come to any of the press. So, you guys, I haven't seen Lo. I haven't spoken to Lo during this whole process. She was the only one who I had zero interaction with, and she's the one I probably needed it with the most. But listen, here's what I'll tell you about Low. There is no bad blood with Low. The Birkin fiasco. If you don't know what I'm talking about, Tony, it's not even worth it. But there was a bit of a Birkin fiasco on the Hills, and I don't care anymore. Like, I don't care about anything that's happened. It's all part of growing up. I did some really dumb. I did some things I'm not proud of. My guess is she would be like, I up on that. But hey, listen, you know what? Me being called out on camera for doing drugs on the Hills, I probably need it in a lot of ways. And actually, you guys asked me a lot because I was doing a Hills rewatch little miniseries on the pod, and I abruptly stopped. And I apologize for that. I did say on an episode that I was gonna jump ship on that, but I did say I would finish it. But what I actually said was I was gonna do the Miami episode, which is when the girls called me out on camera for doing drugs, and I was gonna do the finale. So I am still gon those two. They will air this summer. I haven't forgotten about that. So that is. That is coming. Stay tuned for that. But, yeah, I mean, I think if I saw Low, I would give her a hug. I'm sure that things would be totally fine. And in fact, I would apologize to her for talking about it in the press so much. Or I don't think I like, talked about it in the press, but talking about on the podcast. And I. You guys may not believe me, the haters definitely won't, but I. I really don't think there are, of course, Things I know if I say on the podcast, it will create headlines. Like, any. Like, things about my ex husband. Like, I've tried really hard to sort of like navigate around that stuff and like, tell you tidbits without, like blatantly saying things to avoid headlines. But I don't know, like, some of the low stuff or like, sometimes I say things on the podcast and I will see headlines and I'm like, that got a headline. Like, what the. Like, and I've said this before. If I could just say things on the podcast and everything. Stay here. That would be my ideal situation. I. You guys know I hate the headline world, but I say these things and I don't always know if they're gonna take off in the media or not. And I think the low thing is maybe one of those things where I could be like, I never, like, blatantly said it in the press, but I definitely said it on a podcast. And I apologize for that because it did kind of like blow up. And so I. Anyway, anyways, I feel like I'm rambling. I haven't done a solo podcast in a minute, but I feel like I would apologize to her. So I. Hopefully at one point we'll see her and then someone asked, do you think you'll stay in touch with everyone more after the Laguna reunion? I mean. Yes. So here's what I'll tell you is Jessica, who Zachary, have always been really close. Like, we've been a tight knit group for the last however many years. We kind of, you know, like, everyone kind of like drifted after high school and then we really came back together. And I mean, we're in a group chat. The Fab Four. Hey. And like, the girls came to Nashville a couple of years ago and so like, that forever will be. We will forever be such a tight knit group. And you guys have to remember everybody else was a year older than us and we, we were the younger crew. So like, naturally, that's our friend group, right? And like, they were a friend group. But reconnecting with Morgan and Christina, I am so happy about because I've always loved them so much. So much. Morgan and I have a lot in common, just personally and professionally. She has the best bathing suit brand called Minnow. If you guys don't know it, check it out. She's got a place in Charleston. I've got a store in Charleston. And I'm gonna go this fall. I was like, you're coming. Like, anyways, I love Christina and Morgan. And yes, I think, you know, it's been Incredible. Reconnecting with Trey. I haven't seen Trey in so long. Dieter, I've talked to a little bit. I know that this whole group of people are forever in each other's corners. And that's the best feeling about the whole thing, is these are my ride or dies forever for life because of what we've been through together. And this reuniting and this reconnecting just really cements that. And because of what a positive experience it's been, I think absolutely, like, these are my people, without a doubt. So I do want to say. So there was a moment on the reunion where they played clips from our loved ones who are not here anymore. Or, like, with Lauren. Her parents are divorced. They're not together anymore. And it was an emotional moment for everybody. It actually sort of caught me off guard. Like, I knew you guys. I knew that that was gonna happen at some point in the day. Right? Obviously they told me, but I forgot. And then when it happened, I, like, didn't even realize what was happening. And then it was just like, how are you feeling? And it was like, oh, my God. This is like. That's what I'm saying about these reunions. And just interviews in general, like, that's a weird thing to watch a clip of you and your brother who died 10 years ago, and then in front of a bunch of people and cameras and lights and. Okay, comment on that. It's like, oh, my God, I. What? I don't know what to say. And so. I don't know. That was weird. But also, I love that they did that. Paying tribute, you know, And I said on the reunion. But my brother in high school got. He. I mean, he. He looked great. And my brother died and dealt with addiction issues. And towards the end, it was. You know, he was in bad shape. And so I like looking back at him in those years because he looked so good. He was much healthier. He looked like him, you know, and that's how want to remember him. And he was my biggest supporter in so many ways. And he just thought everything was so cool that we were doing. And so I'm glad that they did that. But with that, I had a few people say, I also lost my little brother. He was 22. I would love to hear more about your grief journey. And I did do a podcast about grief and my brother's death. And, gosh, what was that titled? That was in the same episode as my BUFO experience. That was a big episode, but I'll do another episode about grief, actually. But I'll Just touch on it here. But this is inspiring me to do another one. Grief is a wild thing, and until you experience it, you. You. You won't get it. You don't understand it, and you will never be the same. You will never be the same. And it's such a roller coaster. I found that year three was the hardest. And I remember my mom saying, you know, the first two years, it's almost like, you know, like, okay, I just haven't seen him in a while. Like, okay, you know, but that's whatever. And then year three, you're like, oh, my God, they're not coming back. Like, Mike's actually not coming back. And that's, I think, just, like, when it started it, like, reality set in. Here's what I'll tell you is grief in the beginning. And when I say beginning, I'd say the first, I don't know, four years is. Is hard. And it will come out of nowhere. You'll think that you're fine, and then it comes out of nowhere, right? And you just, like, lose it. And even right now, like, I'm starting. I thought I was gonna be totally fine talking about this, and I'm, like, starting to get choked up about it. But I will say there is a turning point where full acceptance happens. And, like, for me, I wholeheartedly believe that he is still around and that I will see him again and that he's at peace and he's fine. I remember my mom said this to me in the early days. Like, Mike is fine, right? Like, Mike is at peace. Mike is. He's fine. Where are the ones that feel this. This, like, hole in your chest? You know, we're the ones that deal with it, and it's true. And so when you can think about it like that, like, have full acceptance and, like, he's okay, right? Like, or whoever it is, they're okay. And I've gotten so many signs from my brother. Not as many in the last few years, but, I mean, over the years, we had so. We just had so many collectively. But my kids, my mom, I mean, my dad, me, and. And that gave me a lot of peace, too, of knowing that he's around. I know I'm going to see him again. And I look at him as a guardian angel, and I tell my kids that he's their guardian angel, because I know that he is. I know that he is. And we talk about him like, I talk about Uncle Mike, and I keep him alive in that way. And. But my point is, is there. There will be A shift then. And all of a sudden you will go, you know what? I've actually been okay. I've been okay for an extended period of time. And it's just now, like, part of who you are. And it's been 10 years for me. And I can sit here and say, I'm good, you know, like, I'm good. And, and I am good in my day to day, and I can talk about Mike and, and be okay and. And it's just part of this life. But then, you know, when I. When I really start to, like, think about it and talk about it, like, I definitely can get, of course get emotional about it, but overall I'm okay. And that's a good feeling. And I listen also, here's what I will say too. This was my brother. If it was a kid, like, oh, I'm gonna cry just even thinking about it. I don't know how anyone loses a kid. I don't know how anyone comes back from losing a kid. I don't. I mean, like my mom and my dad. I don't know. I don't know how you would do that. I'm not trying to diminish, obviously, like, losing a brother or losing a parent or, you know, but like, losing a kid would be the worst. I can't, I can't. I can't even say it. It'd be the hardest thing to go through. I don't know. I don't know how you would move on from that. Okay, I have to change the subject because that will just absolutely wreck me. Oh, my God. Okay, okay, let's talk about something else. Okay, well, Speaking of reality TV, someone asked Talk about reality TV in 2026 versus early 2000s. So, God, what a difference, right? Night and day. And this is what I've said. If Laguna beach aired today, it would never be successful. It would never. It's way too boring. We, Laguna, the timing couldn't have been more perfect. But now compared to what's on tv, it's so tame, it's so boring, nothing really happens. And I think too, we've wised up. Like, I think we're a little more savvy when it comes to editing and what is producer led for? And also. But by the way, I think probably even the bigger difference now, maybe producers don't have to step in as much anymore because the cast is doing it themselves. Because everyone has realized if I don't have drama and I don't bring it well, I don't have airtime. And I know in the Housewives world. Anyways, I think then you have the potential of not coming back next season. And so I think a lot of the cast is probably just amping up the drama and being super reactive and dramatic, just. And it could be even subconscious, but just to get more screen time. And. And I think that with that, there's. I think you lose a level of authenticity, obviously. And I know, like, with Laguna, there was a real innocence to it because we had no blueprint. We didn't know really what we were doing. You know, we were the first show of the. Of its kind. I mean, there was the real world, but they lived in a house together. They were a little bit older. They're going out partying. We're high school kids. Like, there was no map for us. So in a way, we were just being ourselves, living our lives. And. And now I think people go on to a show with an agenda and being like, I'm gonna be the. I'm gonna be the good girl. I'm gonna be whatever. And I don't know, I think maybe I want to say that's why people really responded to the Laguna beach reunion, because it's real. There's, like. There's heart in it. There's real heart in it. I'm just gonna say this, you guys. When Love island was so popular, what, like a year ago, I tried. I was like, okay, I'm going to see what all the fuss is about. I put on the first episode of whatever season that was. I couldn't get through more than five minutes. And I. I don't know, maybe I'm getting older, but I literally. My jaw was on the floor, and I was like, this is what all of America is obsessed with. I couldn't. I couldn't wrap my brain around it. And I'm sorry, this is going to be mean, but I felt dumber watching that for five minutes. You lose brain cells watching that. You guys, how are we watching those shows? Justin did say to me, you have to get through the first, you know, whatever. The first episode's not that great. I couldn't. I couldn't. And I can't watch reality TV anymore. Those kinds of shows I've watched, there's, like, some competition shows. I've, like, I'll dabbled. I don't watch a lot of tv, but, like, occasionally I'll dabble. But, like, I can't do the drama. I can't do the drama. And, like, the, like, the guy girl things, I just. It's gross to me. It. I just think it's really gross. Where TV back in the day, I just think there was more heart. Even if, like, the real world is a good example, even if you're going out and you're getting drunk and Trishell hooked up with Mark, these are real people and these are real emotions. And it was relatable because maybe you didn't live in a house with all these people, but, like, you've experienced that kind of either rejection or, you know, being obsessed with someone. And it just, like we've gone through all of the same experiences. It's all, like, really relatable in a way. And I just feel like TV now, it's just become explosive. And it's like, how can we get a bigger reaction from people? It's like everyone has to, like, keep upping the Annie, which is kind of scary to think about because it's like, well, where do we go from here? But I actually think we. We're going to come back around. The pendulum is going to swing the other way. And I think people are wanting a little more. I mean, I just. Heart is the best way for me to describe it. But, yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't like reality TV anymore. Deer and Alex H. Dietard. Lol. Some recap on the reunion would be good. Yeah, I know people seem to really love the hookups that you didn't know about. I mean, you have to remember most of those people were together from little elementary school through high school. I mean, I. I came in as a sophomore and I was the new girl. Everyone had known each other forever. And so, yeah, there were a lot of hookups that, you know, you didn't necessarily know about. Another one that people said were Stephen and Jessica, which is funny because I think I had forgotten that, but obviously I knew in high school. But, yeah, no, I mean, that's what happens when you got a small town and everyone's been together. Heather. I love that it's called Dered. So great. And then, you know, this is more the hills, but coming off of Laguna, I had a lot of people say, talk about Spencer running for mayor. So you know what? Let's talk about it. And someone said, is Spencer Pratt a good person, knowing he was producing his own character? I will forever love Spencer. I just will. I feel like I've always really understood him. I get him. And I, of course, love Heidi, too. I think Spencer running for mayor is fucking genius because I think everyone in politics, I don't care what side you're on, everyone is Corrupt. To get to that level, you have to play their game. It's all an agenda. And I think their goal is to keep all of us divided. They want us fighting. And that's why I don't buy into any of it, because I think all politics are fucking bullshit. I think their whole goal is to fear Mon and keep everyone's vibration really low. Yes, that's my woo woo shit coming through. But it's the fucking truth. So I don't pay attention to any of it. I don't buy into any of it. I am not on one side. I think at one point was someone was like, Kristen's Maha, make America healthy again. Sure, if you want to throw me in that category. Do I care about making our country healthy? Absolutely. I've got three kids. I care about the shit that they're buying at the gas station. Yes. I want to make food, water, all of the things across the board healthy. Because compared to other countries, our, our food and everything else that we're giving our kids is complete. And that pisses me off. So if you want to put me in the category of Maha, go right ahead. But I don't identify as that. I just care about health, so sue me. By the way, I care about health for everybody, collectively, the entire country. So don't put me on a side. But that's why I love Spencer running for mayor, because he is a real person who is going to call out the corruption he is going to actually get done. He is fired up because he lost his house and he obviously has seen all the corruption in la. I only know so much about LA specifically because I don't live there. I have a condo there, but, like, I don't know, I just, I'm not there all the time. Right. I care more about Tennessee and so I can't speak to the specifics, but I do know every time I see him talking about what's going on and all the corruption that he's pointed out, he's spot on. And I love, I love that he is doing this. And most people in California that you talk to actually love it too. People are really excited. People are really fired up. I think getting everyone who's not a politician in office in some capacity is the right move because the politicians don't give A, about you or me or anybody. They only care about themselves. And I wish everyone could just wake up instead of fighting over stuff that's A, probably never actually gonna happen, or B, it doesn't matter. We need to you guys come together as a society and be like, fuck the politicians across the board. Can we please just be united? Can we please stop fighting about dumb shit? Okay? We're ending on that note. That was not my intention, but that's how passionate I am about this. So vote for Spencer Pratt. Go fucking Spencer. This is what we need right now, okay? I might regret doing this, but I don't honestly don't fucking care anymore. Let's talk about all the shit. All right? Maybe this is the beginning of a new fired up me, but I'm leaving for the day. Okay? Thank you, guys. Guys, I love you. And I'll get out. 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