What Not To Do If You Want To Date a Musician with Tucker Wetmore

Summary

Podcast Summary: Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari Episode: What Not To Do If You Want To Date a Musician with Tucker Wetmore
Date: March 17, 2026
Host: Kristin Cavallari
Guest: Tucker Wetmore (Country singer-songwriter, rising star)

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Episode Theme & Overview

This lively and candid episode features country music’s breakout star Tucker Wetmore, who joins Kristin Cavallari for an honest dive into his life on tour, how he stays grounded amid rising fame, his songwriting journey, and especially—what it’s like to date as a young musician. The episode balances humor, genuine reflection, behind-the-scenes industry tales, and practical dating advice, especially for those eyeing a relationship with a touring artist.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Tucker’s Touring Life & Staying Grounded

• Tour Details: Tucker just kicked off a tour with sold-out arena shows, including his first 7,000-seat crowd in Pennsylvania ([00:32–00:47]).
• International Leg: Upcoming international shows in Australia and Europe, away for about seven weeks straight ([01:04–01:16]).
• Coping Mechanisms: He credits faith, staying connected to family, surrounding himself with a supportive team, and healthy routines for mental well-being ([01:18–02:10]).
  • "I try to stay on the right path...having a little bit of success, I could see how it could really get to somebody’s head...but I look at it as an opportunity to do the right thing." – Tucker ([02:19–02:58])
• Family & Upbringing: Grew up with four sisters, single mother, and little contact with his father after a young age ([03:20–04:07]).
  • "I grew up with a house full of women...even the dogs were girls." – Tucker ([03:31–03:45])

How Tucker Got Into Music

• Football to Music: Played college football in Montana before a severe leg injury ended his sports career ([05:19–08:07]).
  • "I threw my bag in the corner...locked myself in the bathroom...and started praying...and the next day, first play, broke my leg. That was my sign right there." – Tucker ([07:41–08:07])
• Early Start: Self-taught at piano from age 10, later guitar and trumpet; more serious turn to music after the football injury ([09:10–11:16]).
• Move to Nashville: Relocated at 20, knew no one, started networking by frequenting bars and live music venues, befriending non-industry people, and slowly building his music career ([11:31–13:51]).

Breakout Career Moments

• Rise to Fame: 2024 marked his breakthrough with "Wine Into Whiskey" charting on Billboard and "Wind Up Missing You" becoming a country radio hit ([14:15–15:41]).
  • Viral TikTok moments catapulted his songs; he credits social media with giving artists unprecedented platforms but expresses mixed feelings about the constant online presence ([15:24–16:43]).

Coping with Fame, Adrenaline & Isolation

• The Highs and Lows: Post-show loneliness can be intense after onstage highs ([17:51–18:36]).
  • "You get done playing a show in front of 40,000 people...then you go to your green room or your bus and it’s just...love. And that is like the loneliest feeling in the world." – Tucker ([17:51–18:13])
• Down Time Routine: After shows, he decompresses in silence with a beer, needing time before socializing again ([23:18–24:08]).
• Meet & Greets: Usually before shows, with some “unofficial” ones after ([24:41–25:15]).

Positives of Notoriety

• Best Parts: Ability to support his family (mom’s house, sister’s car), set up loved ones, work on passion projects, and connect with admired artists ([27:35–29:51]).
  • "I've been able to do things for my family that I never thought I would be able to...that’s what I do with my stuff." – Tucker ([28:24–29:26])

Music Industry Relationships

• Industry Acceptance: Most industry veterans have been welcoming; opportunity to collaborate with idols and become part of the inner country music circle ([30:22–32:58]).
  • "Everyone’s been really nice to my face...lately, everyone’s super receptive of what I’m trying to do and wants to be a part of it." – Tucker ([30:22, 31:35])

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Dating a Musician: What NOT To Do (& What Works)

Dating as a Rising Country Star

• DMed by Fans: Wild DMs, often extremely bold (primarily from “average” girls, not celebrities), with some inappropriate unsolicited photos (locked behind filters) ([33:39–34:26]).
• His Approach: Not actively sliding into DMs; focused on career, past distractions with partying and dating, but open if the right person comes along ([34:51–36:09]).
  • "I'm so focused on just...I got so much going on, you know?" – Tucker ([35:03])
• Qualities He Looks For:
  • Kindness above all, especially toward people they don’t know or don’t like ([49:24–50:07])
  • Security/confidence—must understand touring, time apart, and fame’s reality, not get jealous or insecure ([50:49–51:32])
  • "Somebody that understands what I do..." – Tucker ([50:49])
• Red Flags & Past Relationships:
  • Insecurity and jealousy are major turn-offs (e.g., ex who assumed the worst, started fights out of nowhere, or disparaged other women) ([53:32–56:40])
  • He now cuts things off quickly if he registers unkind or “weird” behavior, guided by his strengthened self-awareness.
  • "I've matured in what I actually want...I'll see something and think, 'that was weird, don't do that.' That wasn't nice." – Tucker ([56:40])
• How to Date a Musician—Dos & Don'ts:
  • DON’T: Be insecure, try to keep them from their work, get jealous over fans or attention, be rude to service staff or anyone around you.
  • DO: Be supportive, understanding, kind, flexible, enjoy (not resent) their time on the road and fame.

Fun Lightning Round: “Hot or Not” (71:47–76:08)

• Fans who know all the lyrics: HOT (if learned naturally, not superfan on first date)
• Vegan: NOT (he’s a steak guy)
• "I love you" after 3 dates: NOT
• Dated another country musician: NOT
• Influencer: NOT (unless “influencing” for a good cause)
• Has a kid: Respect, but personally “not right now”
• Hates country music: NOT
• City girl: NOT—prefers someone who loves outdoors, country life

Ideal Date & Down Time (57:33–62:54)

• Winter date: Cozy dinner, movie at home with a campfire—he’d cook ([57:33–58:22])
• Summer: Boat days on the lake, outdoor movies, fishing, good times with friends
• Personal down time: Sleeping in, protein shakes, binge-watching films, being outside, gathering friends for a boat party.

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Songwriting & Performance Process

• Melodic Writer: Starts with melody, then layers in lyrics and emotions ([65:14–65:57]).
  • "I gotta have the melody, and then I start writing feelings over a melody, then I start making the words make sense." – Tucker ([65:25–65:57])
• Songwriting Session Example: “Wind Up Missing You” wrote itself in ~45 minutes ([67:10–67:47]).
  • "Most of the best songs that I got...come out in, like, 45 minutes or less." – Tucker ([68:06])
• Favorite Song to Perform: “Wind Up Missing You” (life-changing, special crowd participation moment every show) ([70:44–71:41])
  • "I take the mic away, and just look around...really soak it in." – Tucker ([71:23])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fame’s Highs & Isolation:
  • "You get done playing a show in front of 40,000 people...then go to your bus, and it’s just...love. And that’s the loneliest feeling." ([17:51])
• On Success & Gratitude:
  • "When I get in those moments where I’m like, oh, my life sucks...I snap out of it. This is everything I’ve ever dreamed of." ([26:03, paraphrased])
• On Exes and Red Flags:
  • "You don’t see the version of her that I do. When it’s just us, it’s great. That's a red flag within itself." ([47:23])
• On His Ideal Partner:
  • "The biggest tell is how they treat people that they do not like." ([49:50])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Tour Life, Staying Grounded: 00:28–03:51
• Career Journey – Football to Nashville: 05:19–13:09
• Breakout Moment, Social Media: 14:15–16:43
• Highs, Lows, and Loneliness on Tour: 17:51–18:36
• Routine After Shows: 23:18–24:08
• Positives of Fame: 27:35–29:51
• Industry Relationships: 30:22–32:58
• Dating as a Musician: 33:39–36:09, 49:24–51:32
• Red Flags & Dating Stories: 53:32–57:14
• Songwriting Process: 65:14–67:47
• Favorite Song to Perform: 70:44–71:41
• “Hot or Not” Dating Game: 71:47–76:08

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Overall Tone

The episode is delightfully candid, blending light, funny storytelling with earnest, real-life insight. Tucker’s humility and self-deprecating style mesh with Kristin’s warm, direct questions, offering a rare look at life on the cusp of country stardom and the realities—good and bad—of dating a musician. The advice “what not to do if you want to date a musician” is honest, practical, and sometimes hilariously blunt.

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Conclusion

This episode offers behind-the-scenes music industry wisdom, raw talk about balancing fame and relationships, guidance on what truly matters in a partner, and a glimpse at the human side of up-and-coming superstars. Tucker Wetmore emerges as both relatable and inspiring—a young artist with clear values, big ambitions, and a healthy sense of humor about the whirlwind journey he’s riding.

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Find Tucker Wetmore Online:

• Instagram & socials: @tuckerwetmore
• Tour schedule: tuckerwetmore.com

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Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is, let's be honest with Kristin Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality tv, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing because I got all the power.

[B]

Yep. Hi, how are you? I'm good.

[A]

How are you?

[B]

Fantastic.

[A]

Appreciate you being here. You just kicked off a new tour.

[B]

I did.

[A]

You're a busy man.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

How's it going so far?

[B]

Good. We're a weekend in. We started in Boston which was crazy. And then we went to New York and then played my first sold out arena this weekend in Pennsylvania.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

It was crazy. Yeah.

[A]

Wow, that's great. So how many people is that?

[B]

That one was like 7,000. Wow. Yeah.

[A]

That's incredible. So are you a weekend warrior? Is that how your tour goes?

[B]

You can come home in between most of the time. Sometimes we'll stay out. I think, I think here coming up pretty soon, we'll stay out.

[A]

Oh, you have a bunch of international shows, right?

[B]

I do. Starting in April. Yeah, I think we go to, we go to Australia and then we're hitting pretty much. You name a place in Europe, we're hitting it.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It's crazy. We'll be out for like seven weeks straight.

[A]

Oh my God. How do you guys do it? I do not understand how you can be on the road that long.

[B]

Grace of God. Really. I don't know, it's just obviously there's things you could do on the road that you know, help your. Your mental well being, you know, like working out, eating good. It helps having like a really good solid team and band and crew behind you just surround yourself with like really good people. Yeah, it's pretty much how I get through it. And then, you know, loving it, I guess.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

You really got. You gotta love it.

[A]

You have to love it. Yeah, for sure. And yeah. People who care about your well being I think is really important so that they're looking out for you too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What about just making sure you stay grounded? Because I mean, playing sold out shows, you know, having people screaming your name, being so excited to see you, it's not normal. Right. So how do you keep it all in perspective?

[B]

A lot of different. I mean, praying mostly. Kind of just staying like true to my faith and talking to God every chance that I can get and listening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To where he wants me to go and what he wants me to do and I mean, I grew up in the church. My grandpa was A pastor and, you know, obviously throughout anybody's life, you, you know, teeter totter when it comes to, you know, how good you are. But I. I've tried to stay on the right path most of my life, but especially now, just being on the road and, you know, having, you know, a little bit of success that I'm having. And obviously, I could see how it could really get to somebody's head and somebody's mind in a really negative way. But I look at it as an opportunity to just do the right thing. Most of the time. I try to. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You're a good person. I mean, especially at your age, because you're what, 25, 26. Oh, you're 26.

[B]

I just turned 26 a couple months ago.

[A]

Okay. So I just think. Yeah, it's hard at that age when all of a sudden all of this is being thrown at you. It's hard to just, I don't know, not get wrapped up in it, which I think is normal.

[B]

Yeah. A lot of people do.

[A]

A lot of people do. Yeah. Are you close with your family?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like that helps, too, having a good family to kind of ground you.

[B]

Yeah. So I grew up with four sisters. Yeah.

[A]

Where are you in the lineup?

[B]

So I've got three older and then one younger.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And the one younger is only like 13 months younger than me.

[A]

Oh. So Irish twins, I think that's what they call them.

[B]

Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I grew up with four sisters and a beautiful mother and. And a house full of women my entire life. Even the dogs were girls.

[A]

Where's your dad?

[B]

Somewhere.

[A]

Don't know. He was never in your life?

[B]

Well, he. He was, I want to say, the first, like, nine, ten years. And then my parents ended up splitting, and, you know, he got sick, my mom got sick, and now I haven't. I don't know. I don't really talk to him too much.

[A]

Gotcha. Has he tried to get back into your life since this newfound fame?

[B]

No, not really. No.

[A]

Probably for the best, right?

[B]

I've talked to him a long time.

[A]

Wow. So you were just wound. Surrounded by women. Probably helps you have a good understanding of the female.

[B]

Yeah. More than most. I know. More than I should. I'm being honest.

[A]

More than you should. Yeah, exactly. Wait, why don't you have a Nashville show on your list?

[B]

I think we're saving it, honestly. I think. I think we want to really knock it out of the park because I played the Ryman last year and we sold out the rhyme Last year, which was a blessing. It was. It was such a fun show.

[A]

Yeah. That's huge. That's iconic.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I ended up bringing out, like, Gavin DeGraw.

[A]

I was in Gavin's music video a thousand years ago.

[B]

Were you really?

[A]

Yes. I love Gavin.

[B]

He's such a good dude.

[A]

He's the best.

[B]

Yeah. We had Gavin DeGras on stage, and then Randy Travis was sitting side. Literally side stage, just watching me do my thing up there the whole show. But it was a really special night. But I think me and my team kind of sat down. We're like, okay, next time we play in Nashville, we want it to be, like, big. We want it to be like Bridgestone.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So we're kind of holding off for that, but we got an offer to play Bridgestone this year, which I think we're going to take it.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

I'm very excited for that. Not just because it's Bridgestone, but it's Brooks and Done. Brooks and Done.

[A]

When would that be?

[B]

November? October.

[A]

Okay. Amazing. Let's talk about how you got into country music, because you were in Montana playing. Playing football in college. Right. And you got an injury.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

What was the injury?

[B]

So the one that finally did me in was this ankle, and then, like, spiral fractured all the way up my leg. I blown this knee out twice, and I blew out this ankle and leg and.

[A]

Right. The leg.

[B]

But the last one I did it was. Was in college. It was like the end of my freshman year, and, you know, I was. I was. It was looking pretty good. I just got scout player of the year. And my coach was like, all right, you're going to be the number one receiver for the next four years. And I'm like, oh, wow. All right. This is everything I've ever wanted. But then, you know, honestly, like, leading up to the injury, honestly, like a month or two before, you know, I was partying a lot in college. I was sleeping on buddy's couch and, you know, doing the whole college life. But I just. I didn't feel right. And I wasn't showing up to class. I literally only went to college to play football.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People ask me, like, what was your major? I'm like, slant over the middle, you know, like, post. I don't know. My. My major was football, and that's all I wanted to do. And. But, like, a couple months leading up to the injury, I wasn't really feeling right, and I was. I was down in my faith, and I wasn't praying a lot. And I remember I got home from Practice one day and I put my bag in the corner. All right. It wasn't even my house, it's my buddy's house. And I was like, I was sleeping on his couch and I threw my bag in the corner. I went immediately to the bathroom, closed the door, locked it, sat down and I just started balling. I just started crying and started praying. I was like, hey, man, I know it's been a while and I know I've been not great in my, in my college experience, but I need a sign. I need, I need something because something's not feeling. I got everything going for me on, on a football aspect, but it's something just not right. And, you know, I sat there, probably prayed 10, 15 minutes and dried myself up, went out, ate dinner, went to bed, woke up the next day, decided to go to class that day. I was so bad at school, Decided to go to class that day and then went to practice around 3 or 4 o'. Clock. And like I would every other day and very first play, I run a post over the middle and break my leg, blow out my ankle. And I, I remember my first thought was, holy. This does not feel good at all. This hurts. Yeah, my, my literally sitting like the 48 yard line, whatever it was, I was sitting there, I was like, this is my sign right here. This is, this is exactly what I was praying for last night. This is, that was the last time I'll ever run a route.

[A]

That is crazy. So were you devastated or you really just looked at it as a sign and.

[B]

Okay, at first it hit me hard not to be like all sappy about something.

[A]

Oh, yeah, well, understandable problem. But like, no, that's a big deal.

[B]

There's a, there's a lot of other people out there with bigger problems. But no, it did hit me really hard and I was, I was like borderline depressed there for, I want to say, like eight months afterwards. And yeah, I was, I, I moved back. I ended up moving back home. I drove actually 12 hours with my left foot back home in my.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I think I had like a Subaru Legacy or something like that.

[A]

That's not dangerous.

[B]

All wheel drive, Subaru Legacy. And it was so. It, it was where was? A long ways. Washington.

[A]

Oh, okay, okay.

[B]

Southwest Washington. And I remember I moved home and I got my surgery and started healing up a little bit. And then when I was able to start walking, I was like, mom, I should probably get a job. She's like, yeah, you really should. So then I got like this job at a coffee Shop and something small. And I really didn't know what I was doing with my life.

[A]

So you had no idea you were going to get into music at this point?

[B]

So I was already in music a little bit. So I. I started playing when I was like 10.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

I kind of just sat down at a piano one day and didn't get up, you know, for like years. And I would. I would come home from practice or school and I would just sit there and I'll just play like. Like Jerry Lee Lewis and like Billy Joel, Elton John and self taught. All self taught.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

That's impressive on anything. I'd come home and I'll just play for hours to the point where, like, my sister would like. One time my sister gave my guitar away.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Yeah. Well, her dad ended up giving it to me as a gift. There was some. There was some gray area, if you will, but she was just tired of hearing me sit there playing at 10, 10:30 at night, trying to practice and, you know, having fun with it. But she. I was talking to her about that the other day. She regrets it so much.

[A]

I was just gonna ask. She feels bad about that now.

[B]

She feels real bad about it. Didn't know back then.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. She was like, I've been trying to find that guitar for years.

[A]

Oh, wow, that would be so cool.

[B]

She really is. She's like actively trying to find it. It was like a baby red Les Paul or something like that.

[A]

That would be awesome if she could find it.

[B]

But yeah. And then I, you know, trumpet in. In middle school, high school. Oh. I just. I love music. And I. Like I said earlier, I grew up in the church, so I was surrounded by, you know, the gospel and, you know, all that stuff my whole life.

[A]

And so what. Why Nashville is where the music is? So. Yeah.

[B]

Just following the music, I guess. Yeah. Before I moved, actually, I started playing again because during college I wasn't really playing. They had this piano actually in. In the dorm room. Oh, not my. In the dorm hall or whatever. It was in this room that nobody ever goes in. And every once in a while, if I was having like a really rough day in college, I would. I'd go down there and play, but other than that, I wasn't really playing. Yeah. When I moved back home, I just started writing songs and playing again and like, falling in love with it. And I sat my mom down. I was like, I want to do this. She goes, thank God. She's like, thank the Lord because I've been trying to get you to push Me or pursue music for years now, since I started. Really?

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

And so I was kind of like a sigh of relief for her. And she did everything in the world to help me move to Nashville and supported me first, you know, couple years, like, financially and obviously I was like, doordashing and doing, like, other stuff like that, but just trying to, like, eat.

[A]

Yeah. Trying to survive.

[B]

Just trying to be. Buy beer at losers.

[A]

Yeah, right. Did you know anybody when you first came?

[B]

I didn't know anybody.

[A]

Not one person.

[B]

Not a single person.

[A]

Wow. So you got here and then now what? What did you do? What did the first few months look like?

[B]

A lot of networking.

[A]

How? Just going out.

[B]

Yeah, just going out. I'd go to lizards, and I was 20 at the time.

[A]

Oh, wow. So you didn't even go to the bars?

[B]

I could. Okay, so fake id? No, I never had a fake.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

But it was during COVID and people were, like, craving for, like, business to come in. And so I'll just walk into the businesses that didn't really care. Like, what was it back in the day? Right next to Tin Roof on the mumbrine.

[A]

Okay, wait, hold on. I'm trying to think Doghouse. Oh, see, I don't even know. That's like. I was more like. I started coming here in 2010, so, like, that was my era when I was going out, when there was nothing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, nothing here. So I don't even know.

[B]

I think it was called Doghouse, though. But I would not to get them. I don't think it's Doghouse anymore. I think it's like.

[A]

I don't even think. I've never heard of that yet, so.

[B]

But I would walk in.

[A]

They're gone from letting underage kids.

[B]

I'm the reason.

[A]

Yeah, you're the problem.

[B]

But yeah, I'd walk in order Bud Light and a shot of Fireball.

[A]

Fireball.

[B]

Yeah. I was 20, so.

[A]

Nashville.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So you just started meeting people that way?

[B]

Just talking to people, Meeting people. And then I got super lucky when I first moved. I met a group of people or a couple people that are still like, my best friends now. Like, we go on vacations together if. If we have free time, if we're all home, we're all hanging out.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

But I met a good group of people.

[A]

People in the business?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, okay, great. So just normal people that you're still best friends with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

I guess. Kind of in the business. Like, the first person I met, his name is Cameron Packy. And he's big old loud dude, but he's got a heart of gold. And he's like one of my best friends in the world. And we would go to these different parties together. And then I met a girl named Shelly, and now she's dating Jacob Hackworth, which he's on tour with me right now.

[A]

Oh, I love it.

[B]

And we ride a bunch together and. But she's not in the industry right at all. She's just a photographer or something like that. And. But yeah, I was. I was super blessed to. And I kind of like that. I. I didn't really meet people right off the bat in the industry. I kind of met people that I really clicked with, and then I did my own thing in the industry, you know, if that makes sense.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Because you're meeting your people, your real core people, clearly, because they be in

[B]

my wedding kind of people.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I think that's important. Yeah. So, okay, so that was 2020. So then in 2024, wine into whiskey was your first song to chart on the Billboard Hot 100. Later that same year, wind up missing you went even bigger and became your first major country radio hit. So 2024 was a huge turning point for you.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

What was that like?

[B]

Crazy. I mean, it's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy.

[A]

Like, what happened when you first heard it on the radio? What did you do?

[B]

I was okay. When I first heard my song on the radio. I was heading to a photo shoot actually, to shoot the COVID for wind up missing you.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Because it wasn't even out yet. It was wanted a whiskey that I heard on the radio, and we were headed to someplace in Tennessee, I think it was over east. And we turned on the radio. We ended up getting pulled over to is a very eventful day, but we turn on the radio and we're sitting there talking about, like, different creative things that we could do for the COVID of Wind up. And then the song comes on. I'm like, oh, that's crazy.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

But, yeah, that was pretty cool. It's crazy to think about, like, 2020-23 really is when all the craziness kind of started at the end of 23 because I wrote wine to whiskey and then wind up missing you in the same week in November. Oh, it was a great week. And it was my birthday.

[A]

What was happening in November?

[B]

I don't know. I was drinking.

[A]

Is that the key to a good song?

[B]

Yeah, most of the time, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, it was my birthday week, so I wrote Those, those two in my birthday week. And then I teased, wanted a whiskey. Probably two weeks later when I got the demo back. And I remember sitting in the kitchen that day and pressing play. I'm like, this is dope. I'm posting a little TikTok.

[A]

It was huge on TikTok.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Yeah. I remember hearing it and then I

[B]

posted it and then I kind of just put my phone down for the rest of the day. Woke up the next morning and had like 2 million views or something like that.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And people are starting to use it in their videos and all that stuff and I'm like, oh, this feels weird.

[A]

So would you credit tick tock a little bit to your initial success, social media in general? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? It really can really boost someone's career. Get the name out. Yeah, that's very cool.

[B]

I think it's the coolest not cool thing in the world.

[A]

A thousand percent. Couldn't agree with you more.

[B]

Because like I can't stand, I can't stand sitting there and like being, being just so glued in on it. And I, I don't like if I catch myself like scrolling for like over five minutes, I'm like, you know, you

[A]

can put limits on it. I've done this for myself with TikTok. I actually deleted TikTok for six months and I just redownloaded it last week and I already hate myself for it. But you can put a limit on it. So after 30 minutes it's like, hey, your limit's up.

[B]

Really? I didn't know.

[A]

I mean you can approve more time, but hey, it's a good little reminder. Like approve, approve.

[B]

I don't really spend that much time on my phone. I don't.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

I just feel bad if I do.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

But yeah, so I teased one whiskey. Excuse me. That started doing a bunch of stuff over like a week or two and then it wind up missing you as soon as I got the demo back and then that just. Wow. And so, I mean since then it's been on a.

[A]

On a rocket ship.

[B]

Wild.

[A]

Yeah. That's amazing. That's very cool. So yeah, I mean your life has changed a lot in the last two years. What would you say the biggest difference is in your just day to day

[B]

life doing stuff like this?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Honestly, like talking about feelings and what I'm doing.

[A]

We haven't even gotten to the feelings yet. Oh man, you're breaking all my.

[B]

I know. I'M sorry. I don't know. I guess not seeing. I grew up with a lot of people around me. You know, I come from, like, a Samoan family. There's a lot of people in Samoan families, you know, hanging out with family friends my entire life. And I feel like now the isolation is probably the weirdest thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To me, at times, you know, you get. You get done playing a show in front of, let's say, 40,000 people in Canada, like I did last summer. 40,000 people in Canada. You get off stage, you go to your green room or your bus, and then it's just love.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

And that is like the loneliest feeling in the world. Like, you're on. You're on the highest of highs, but then there's, like, no. Nothing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and it's. It's like an adrenaline rush, and then it all gets like.

[A]

It's like a rug crazy.

[B]

It's. It's wild. It's. It's a. And I'm not sitting here complaining about anything. Don't.

[A]

Of course not.

[B]

Yeah, but it's. I think that's the weirdest thing is kind of just like getting used to the spike in adrenaline and then the drop and then. And then the. You know, sometimes when it's lonely, it gets lonely, and then when it's good, it's really good. And then.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Different emotions.

[A]

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[B]

That's a great question. I don't.

[A]

I mean, I went on a podcast tour for eight days and that ruined me. And that's when I was like, I really have so much respect for musicians.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Going to sleep after that adrenaline rush is so hard.

[B]

Most of the time I don't. Until it's pretty late.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'd say my average time I fall asleep on the road is probably like two.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Then I sleep until like 10.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

I'm still getting my eight hours, but.

[A]

Good.

[B]

This is a really messed up eight hours.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's. It's. Where do you use.

[A]

That's where I guess friends really come into play. Like being able to just even call a friend afterwards and just talking to someone for a little bit. Yeah.

[B]

And I'm super close with like my manager Autumn. Super close with my band.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Super close with all my crew. Honestly, we're like a huge family. You know, we all have this one goal, and that's to make the show or that's, that's to make the show the best as possible. And that's to like grow what we're trying to grow. In the back scene.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In the background. We're all sharing a common goal and we all really believe in it. We're. We're diving into it. But when I get off stage, honestly, it's. I go to my bus. This is what I do. I get.

[A]

Yeah. Walk us through every little detail.

[B]

I go, thank you, good night. And then I start walking off stage. Stage. And then.

[A]

Wait, before you do that, are you critical of yourself? Are you like, ah, that show sucked, or like, I killed it?

[B]

Most of the time.

[A]

Most of the time you think sometimes,

[B]

Sometimes I'm like, dang, that was like the worst show in the world.

[A]

Right?

[B]

That was so cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. But I'm thinking about that one little thing that I did.

[A]

I'm like.

[B]

But no, I'm. I'm very self critical. But I get off stage and I, I go to my bus and I got. I got a spot in my bus that I sit down every single time. I sit there in silence for probably five minutes with my head down, you know, hunched over a little bit. And I'll just sit there and breathe. And then I'll grab a beer and I'll crack a beer and I'll drink it. And then.

[A]

By yourself still for an hour sometimes.

[B]

My manager will be in there. But she, she knows, like, she knows I need that time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

After a show, even if it's just five minutes, she knows that I need, like, silence. And then sometimes if I'm like, really feeling it and those, like a great show, like, I'll come off and be like, what'd you think?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know, it's kind of just a. It's a. It varies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Most of the time it's just. I need that. I need that space of time where it's just my mind can not do anything.

[A]

Gotta process. Yeah, yeah. Love it. Okay. And then what happens after that?

[B]

Beer? Hang out with people.

[A]

See where the night takes you.

[B]

Exactly. And then, you know, most of the time we got people, friends, family, or people that I gotta meet that come

[A]

to the show and then do a meet and greet. Every show?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Pretty much we don't do them after. I guess after the shows, it kind of turns into a meet and greet.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

There's, like new people there, but.

[A]

Yeah, but like an official meet and greet you do before the show.

[B]

Before.

[A]

Yeah. So there was kind of draining after the show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Great.

[B]

That's a. That's another thing. It's like you got 100 people meet and greet. Yeah. And then you got radio room, and then you got a meeting with radio room. And then by that time, you got an hour to get on stage. And then like an hour after meeting 250 people face to face, one by one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they're like, all right, now it's. It's showtime. Enter stage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, then you hear that click start. And then the track start. And that's another weird thing that you kind of got to get used to. And I don't know, I'm kind of getting more used to it because you

[A]

have to be on that whole time, right? Like, meeting everybody. You gotta, like, be. Bring your A game and you gotta. Just gotta be on. And that's a lot of work as well.

[B]

Yeah. And at that point, you're on for four and a half hours.

[A]

Yeah. It's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. So the isolation piece, would you say that's maybe the worst thing about fame and, like. I mean, isolation?

[B]

I would say I'm famous, but I

[A]

would say a lot of people know who you are right now.

[B]

Yeah. I wouldn't say the worst.

[A]

What would the worst part be?

[B]

I don't know. It doesn't really feel right to sit here and talk about.

[A]

Well, I'm gonna ask you the best part too, so. And it's not necessarily bad. It's just. It's different Right. Than your life was a few years ago. Like, that's probably. Trusting people has become different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's Goes with isolation, I would say.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, this is the way I'll put it. There's. There's. Give or take a thousand people that move to Nashville every single day to pursue music, to write songs or sing them on a stage someday or whatever it is. They got a dream when it comes to music. And when I get in those moments where I'm like, oh, my life sucks. You know, we all got our. We all got our things that we. We think about. That's immediately where my head goes. Like, I was 20 years old one time, moving to Nashville, not knowing anybody, and this is everything I've ever dreamed of. And I instantly snap out of it. I'm like, this is the coolest shit in the world.

[A]

Being grateful.

[B]

100.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That puts everything in perspective.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, obviously there's, like, lonely times, and there's times where it's like, up, down, up, down. Most of it's good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Honestly, I. I can't. I can't sit here and complain when. When somebody, you know, out there wants it, you know, I love that just as much as I do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, I love that people out there got it, you know, way worse than I do.

[A]

I know. It's all. It's all.

[B]

I don't. I don't think it's right to sit here and talk about negatives when. When something. About something so positive.

[A]

Okay, well, then let's talk about the positives. What are the good things that come with notoriety? Oh, because there are good things, you know.

[B]

Yeah, there is.

[A]

It's fun.

[B]

I get a lot of free clothes.

[A]

There you go. Yeah.

[B]

A lot of free food.

[A]

Yep. Free food, free clothes. Good. Dinner reservations.

[B]

Dinner reservations? Yeah. I can. I could go eat anywhere in Nashville.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

A lot. I mean, honestly, the way it set me up, like, to, like, take care of my family and my friends and. And this. I mean, I know it sounds sappy or whatnot, but it's true. Like, I. I've been able to do things for my family that nobody ever has, and in a way that I never thought I would be able to. Obviously, I've always strived. And that's like. Like my. My leading factor of what I do and, like, why I do it is to take care of my family. Obviously, I love the music, and that's like, without it, I would die. You know, I feel like without music, I would die sometimes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I Think the best thing is, is, like, it being able to, like, set up my family for success or freedom or whatever it is. Like, my mom's retired now, and, you know, my. My sister moved to Nashville. Now she's helping me.

[A]

Oh, great.

[B]

Like, personal assistant stuff and, like, house management stuff.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

My little niece, her name's Isla, they live, like, two minutes down the road. And then her fiance, Joe, and so it's nice to have family around, but it's just cool to be able to do things that I've always wanted to do, especially, you know, having to grow up really fast at a young age. And, like, we were poor. We. We were not, you know, a very. I mean, we were wealthy in the ways of, like, we loved each other and, you know, we had. We had that going for us and nothing could ever break that. But when it came to financial stuff, we were pretty poor a lot of the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, you know, it's cool to think that, like, I can just, you know, pay off my mom's house, you know, buy my sister's, you know, a new car or whatever it is. And, like, it's. That's. That's what I do with. I bought myself a house and a truck and, you know, but that's what I do with my stuff.

[A]

That's really sweet.

[B]

Like, I was just talking to my friend, my phone. We're trying to start this. This business thing, and he's, you know, one of the. One of the smartest dumb people I've ever met in my life, you know, and he's my best friend in the world, so I can say that. But, you know, just, like, business opportunities where I can, like, you know, help kind of kickstart it and stuff like that. Because he believes in. And I believe in him, and I believe in what he's doing and just cool stuff like that, like, bring people up with me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah. I love that. That's sweet. You're a good guy.

[B]

I'll try.

[A]

It's important. That's important. When you're the newcomer in, you know, the country music scene, let's say. Like, I remember being new, like, moving up to LA from Laguna beach, and some people were really cool with me, and some people were kind of jerks. So I'm curious when you first got on the scene, you know, now you're going to the award shows and you're at all the things. Were the people warm and welcoming to you, or were there some people that were kind of jerks because you're the

[B]

new kid in town, everyone's been really nice to my face. That's great. You know, I don't really have any enemies. In. Oh, sorry. In or out? Oh, I'm just. I'm falling apart.

[A]

Just leave it off at this point. No, yeah, no, we need that branding. Keep it in there.

[B]

I mean, obviously, there's. There's talk and everything, you know, about,

[A]

like, what people have said about you.

[B]

No, I'm just saying that, like, no matter what you do in life, if you're. If you're succeeding, somebody's gonna be talking, you know, and if somebody's not talking, that probably means you're not doing something right.

[A]

You know, I said this this morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a very true thing. And so I don't. I don't listen to the outside noise. I never really have. But everyone's been super, especially lately. I feel like the last six months, my life is kind of. Or my. My career in. In the industry has kind of, like, flipped, you know, in one way, everyone's super receptive of. Of what I'm trying to do and, like, really believes in what I'm trying to do and wants to be, like, a part of. Like, I'm working on album number two right now, and I can't tell you how many people that, like, I look up to as songwriters or artists or whatnot, being like, hey, I heard you're working on this project. Like, I got this song, or, you know, I got this idea, or if there's anything I could do to help, just let me know.

[A]

And that's awesome.

[B]

It's really cool. And, you know, being at these shows and festivals and, like, getting one on one time with these people and, like, the other. The other day, I was. I was playing. I wasn't playing. I went to Waste Management in Arizona, and Ernest was there, and he was playing. He had a set, and I wanted to go watch it. And we sat backstage and talked for, you know, hours, and we were sitting there diddying on the guitar, and I. I remember back in 2020, when his locals, I think, is Locals Only, and I. I told him this. I was like, dude, your first record. Locals Only is, like, one of my favorite records of all time. And I. You know, it's just. It puts me in that moment of back in 2020, when I was meeting all these new people and moved to Nashville and like, how excited it was to be able to, like, write songs that good and, like, you know, have them heard by the. By the world. And so it's. It's it's cool to, you know, be able to call up Aaron now and just be like, hey, how you doing? He was. He texted me a song this morning. You know, it's kind of like that stuff too, and, you know, like, Jelly Roll or like Jason Aldean. I got his number on my phone. That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I know. If I call him, he'd pick up. You know, that's just the guy he is. And like Thomas Rhett, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like there's a lot of people that kind of really believe in what I'm doing now, and it's. It's cool. And, you know, I feel like people are understanding. Like, I'm just. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm just me. And I'm. I'm just trying to be me, and I. I can't. I can't be anything else, you know?

[A]

That's probably what people love.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm making music that I. I believe in, that sounds good to my ears when I'm sitting there banging my head against the wall trying to figure it out, you know?

[A]

I love it. There's good people here though, too. Like, I've noticed that. Like, really down to earth normal people in the business, I would say, which is good. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about dating.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You're one of country's most eligible bachelors.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have a little sip of water? I think. So you're 26. That's such a fun age for dating. Right. And especially now with everything you have going on. I can only imagine. How wild are your dms?

[B]

They're crazy most of the time.

[A]

Celebrities sliding in or just. No, mostly just your average girl or not average. I'm sure your girls are beautiful. Sliding in.

[B]

I don't know. I guess. No, no celebrities sliding in or nothing like that. It's more of, like, people say, like, guys are, you know, pretty bold. Yeah, but girls are bold.

[A]

I think girls are worse.

[B]

They say some. Yeah, some wild stuff.

[A]

What's the craziest thing a girl has said to get your attention?

[B]

Oh, gosh, I. I don't even know.

[A]

Probably not appropriate for that.

[B]

Probably not. I probably should.

[A]

Do you get pictures and stuff? Like naked pictures?

[B]

I don't have. I have a. A filter or something on my thing. You have to accept it for somebody to send you.

[A]

Oh, you're right. But can't you click on it and then see it without them knowing? I think you can. I think I have that.

[B]

No, it says. It says so and so wants to send you a video or picture. A video or something like that, and you have to go accept it. Oh, I don't.

[A]

So you don't. You don't mess with that?

[B]

No.

[A]

You're not curious?

[B]

Not my deal.

[A]

You're a good boy. Are you sliding into anyone's dms?

[B]

Not really, no.

[A]

Not really or no?

[B]

No. I mean, I have in the past, but, like, you know, I'm. I'm so focused on just. I got. I got so much going on, you know?

[A]

You're too busy.

[B]

I am. I am not too busy. It's just, you know, my. My focus is in. In places where it needs to be.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've. I've gone down that path where I've. I've chased women, I've chased, You know, I've chased booze, I've chased parties, I've chased good times, and I've had that time, you know, And I think I'm. I'm 26 now, and that's. That's young in most people's eyes, but I feel like I'm running out of time most of the time, and so I. I feel like just keep my head on straight or trying to at least in the. In the best way possible. The only option right now.

[A]

So you feel like you've gotten all of that out of your system most of the time, or you're just trying to.

[B]

Sometimes. Hey, sometimes I'll be narrow. Sometimes I'll. I'll have two days off and I'll have the buddies over and we'll start drinking, start partying. But, like, we don't. We don't do nothing. Nothing crazy like that. But I like to let loose.

[A]

I think it's important when you're as busy as you are, you know, and you're grinding, you gotta blow off some steam once in a while.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

So you're not really looking to date necessarily? Is that kind of what I'm gathering, or. If you met the right girl.

[B]

I think the right person. The right person could change any.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know.

[A]

How do you meet people?

[B]

It's a good question. I mean, I meet new people every day.

[A]

Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah.

[B]

Whether it's like a podcast like this or a show or a meet and greet or whatnot on the road, I'm constantly meeting new people. So in that aspect, I'm not. I'm not really worried about it.

[A]

Do you have a celebrity crush?

[B]

I do.

[A]

Why do I feel like I saw this? Actually. Did you say it on a Podcast one time.

[B]

Who do you think it is?

[A]

I can't remember now. I don't know. Who is it?

[B]

What's her name?

[A]

Wasn't she such a big crush? I don't even know her name.

[B]

She's an actress.

[A]

Margot Robbie.

[B]

Well, yeah, obviously.

[A]

You and everybody else.

[B]

Have you seen oh, God.

[A]

Wuthering Heights?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, what? Wolf of Wolf.

[B]

Babylon.

[A]

Babylon. No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good.

[B]

One of the wildest movies I've ever seen.

[A]

Is she in that?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that. Should I watch it 100.

[B]

I watched it two nights ago and it was. And I'm. I really like film.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I want to get into film someday. But like in a. In a film, like, aspect, just the way it was shot and like all the scenes and the storyline behind it, it was very pleasing to my creative brain.

[A]

I like that. Yeah.

[B]

So I just sat there. I was glued and fixated on the. On the TV for like, it's like a three hour movie.

[A]

Oh, damn.

[B]

There's like three main characters, like Margot Robbie, some random Mexican dude, I forgot his name, and then Brad Pitt.

[A]

Oh, no. I knew. Yes, I. Okay, I'll watch that.

[B]

It's good.

[A]

I saw Wuthering Heights yesterday. I cried like a baby.

[B]

I don't even know what that is.

[A]

Oh, are you living under a rock

[B]

most of the time.

[A]

Her and Jacob Elordi. I don't know you've seen any of this press. You know, it's actually amazing that you have no idea.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

The only thing people are talking about. God, that's amazing. Good for you. Keep that up. Okay, so you don't really use Instagram as a dating app or, you know,

[B]

I mean, I have in the past.

[A]

Oh, wait, you didn't answer the celebrity crush question.

[B]

Oh, I mean, obviously Margot Robbie's up there. Just because I just watched.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With her in it. Anna de Armas.

[A]

Oh, yeah. She's beautiful.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Oh, gosh.

[A]

So you're not. What?

[B]

Not Angelina Julie. What was.

[A]

Well, she's obviously iconic.

[B]

Jessica Alba Prime. Jessica.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

She.

[A]

Yeah, she still looks amazing. She hasn't aged a day.

[B]

Not even a little bit. But like Fantastic Four. Yeah, yeah, back in that. Yeah, back in that time.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She. Okay, so you're still on a brunette kick, apparently, huh?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You've sworn off blondes.

[B]

I have.

[A]

Sticking with it.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

The ground.

[A]

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These are so great when you're busy running around and you just need to get something healthy on the table for dinner, or you go into an office and you want to bring your lunch and you don't want to spend extra time in the morning getting something ready. You can just grab and go. And guys, if I can do it, you can to grab a Taylor Farms chopped salad kit and get your salad together. What did your ex do that was so bad that you had to just get off blondes?

[B]

Oh,

[A]

you said no more.

[B]

Yeah, you know, nothing. Nothing too bad. I mean, she didn't stab it with

[A]

a fork or nothing, but were you heartbroken?

[B]

Not. I mean, I've never. I've never been broken up with. I've always, you know, been the one to like, call it quits.

[A]

But you can still be sad even if you.

[B]

Yeah, 100. Especially when you still have those feelings. Not. No, I'm not saying I have feelings towards anybody right now.

[A]

Right. But during a breakup.

[B]

But during a breakup, like when you're in that time where you still have feelings and you're like, I know this isn't going to work out, I have to end it right now kind of thing and. But still, you know, care about the person and it kind of breaks your heart breaking theirs. I wrote that on a song actually breaks my heart breaking your love it. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just. Some people just aren't right for you is the way I look at it. And it takes a lot of self discipline to realize that. And you know, I lean on. I lean a lot on, like my family and my friends when it comes to, you know, the people that I have in my life because they're my people first and foremost. Until that person comes. And then, you know, but if they're like, hey, this girl's bad news, I'm like, no, I know.

[A]

You're so blind to it when you're in it.

[B]

You know how many times I say, you don't see. You don't see the version of her that I do. When it's just us, it's great. That's a red flag within itself, you know.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Because it should be. It should be pretty decent.

[A]

Your friends, I think, should like, your significant. I think that's very telling.

[B]

If you're sitting there saying, if it's just us, it's. It's great.

[A]

Yeah. It's probably not a good sign.

[B]

It's not a good sign.

[A]

So is that what happened? Your friends just kind of saw and they would tell you and finally you started to kind of wake up to it.

[B]

Yeah. And then, you know, I started seeing things pretty early on. It's like being out at Broadway until 2, 3am Come, come back, Jump. You know, leave me with your dog, you know.

[A]

Oh, she's going out without you on Broadway?

[B]

Yeah, like two, three times a night. And that was, that was early on in the relationship. But we're talking about this.

[A]

Why wouldn't you go? No, this is, let's be honest, this is the place to be. Honest. Why wouldn't you be on Broadway with her? She didn't want you to go.

[B]

A girl's night.

[A]

Her friends, girl. Yeah, the old girls night, like two times a week.

[B]

But then she was hanging out with Other dudes and at the time, so I don't know.

[A]

Oh, and you found out?

[B]

I mean, yeah.

[A]

During or after?

[B]

Well, not, like, hanging out with them like, that was like.

[A]

Yeah, just partying with.

[B]

I don't know. It's just. I shouldn't say.

[A]

Okay, fine, you don't have to say. But answer. This is your song. Proving Me right about her.

[B]

That's what Proving Me right is a true story about love itself and relationships itself.

[A]

Okay, good answer. Good PR Answer. So, okay, Riley Greene brought her to the cmas. You were there, right?

[B]

Oh, we're talking about her this whole time?

[A]

Well, I don't know. Are we? Oh, you tell me. What was that like? I swear, this is my last question. We can move on from her after this.

[B]

Oh, okay. It's fine.

[A]

It was fine.

[B]

I didn't pay no mind to it.

[A]

You say hi?

[B]

No. No.

[A]

All right. We can move off of it.

[B]

God. Talking about.

[A]

All right, what are you looking for in a woman? What qualities do you like? Brunette.

[B]

Brunette. That's right. Honestly, somebody that's just, like, unapologetically kind. Mm. And, like, is just kind of like everybody. Everybody.

[A]

You know, Waiter.

[B]

Not friends.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You could be a waiter. You could be random person. A grocery store. You could be a person that you don't really like too much.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think that's the biggest tell is, like, how they. How people treat people that they do not like.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

You know, me personally, I try to give everybody, like, you know, all the grace in the world, but obviously there's people that I'd rather not spend time with. But I'm not going to sit here and talk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

About them when they're not sitting in here. If, like, I got something to say to them, I'm, hey, this is how I feel about you. Enjoy the rest of your day, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, that's. That's just who I am, you know, I feel like it's very telling not for anybody who they are as a person in their core of, you know, how they treat people that they. They don't agree with or they dislike or they can't really stand, you know?

[A]

That's a good one.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I like that. Okay, so just someone who's really kind.

[B]

Kind.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you want someone who's fun, outgoing, someone who can obviously hang in your world is probably important.

[B]

Somebody that understands what I do.

[A]

So secure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Secure within herself that she knows that, like, okay, I'm going out to all these shows, but I'M coming home to you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Somebody that understands, like, oh, yeah. It's gonna be probably weeks at a time at, you know, sometimes where it. I'm not gonna be able to see you because I'm in Australia.

[A]

In Australia, Yeah.

[B]

Or Europe or Japan or Guam or wherever I am. Yeah, I'm going all those places this year.

[A]

Are you going to Japan?

[B]

Yeah, we're in the talks of.

[A]

Oh, wow. That's very cool.

[B]

I don't know if it's set in stone yet, but that'd be sick.

[A]

That'd be awesome.

[B]

Yeah. Somebody that just understands, like, what I do and doesn't hold that over my head when. Yeah, when they're feeling insecure about something, you know, it's like.

[A]

Exactly. Creates fights.

[B]

Creates.

[A]

When you're in Japan and it's like, oh, my God, I've been playing a show all night. Leave me alone.

[B]

I was dating this girl one time. Since we're being honest. I was dating this girl one time, and she. She took every. Every instance to, you know, just grind my gears. It felt like most days, you know, and, you know, I'd never. I've never lashed out on a woman. I've never done anything. Nothing. You know, I. I handle Grace and then I go scream at a pillow, she's not around, you know, gosh dang it. You know, but took every instance to just, like, pick every fight possible. And, like, she always saw the wrong in every situation. And we were. There's a. There's a couple things going through my mind right now that I can say, but I'll say this one, you say, we were. We were driving past Nissan Stadium. We were just downtown. This was back in, like, 21 or something like that. We were just downtown hanging out with a couple friends, you know, day drinking around the midtown area. And then she was like, hey, I want to go freshen up at the house. Go change for tonight, because we're going to go out that night, and I think we're celebrating a birthday or something like that. And I was like, okay, let's. Let's go back to the house for an hour, and then we'll meet up with our friends again. So we got in an Uber, started headed back, passing by Nissan Stadium, and I was sitting there. I was like, man, I'm really excited about football season. And, you know, just think about football. And she goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And somehow the. The conversation of, like, cheerleading being a sport came up. And I go, yeah, I think. I think cheerleaders are really talented. You know, the talented Dancers.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

You see where I'm going? Yeah. I go, I think. I think they're really talented. I'd consider it a sport, you know, most.

[A]

And that's nice of you, by the way.

[B]

In most ways.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Considered her sport because, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then she goes, I think all cheerleaders are sluts.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I. I looked at it like my jaw dropped. I go, how dare you? And then I have a friend that danced for Dallas, and she wasn't on the cheer team, she was on the dance team. And I go, well, so. And so, my friend I've known for years, a lot longer than I've known you, dances, and I think she's very talented, and she loves what she does. You know, I'd consider. Consider that a sport. And she goes, well, she's a blood. It doesn't matter who you are. They're all that is. Excuse my language, but, like, horses.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it's like, geez. And, you know, it's like, stuff like that.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, all that is is insecurity every day.

[B]

And I understand that. And that's, you know, it's. I'm not well.

[A]

And it's not an excuse for it.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's not at all. Yeah.

[B]

But I understand, you know.

[A]

Wow. How long do you date her for?

[B]

7. 6 months. 7 months.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Something like that. It was on and off towards the end, but yeah, man, I'll tell another story, actually, since we're being honest.

[A]

Yeah, we're always honest here.

[B]

Say it was the same kind of thing. We're in an Uber, going to meet our friends downtown. We're passing by.

[A]

Is this the same girl, by the way?

[B]

I'm not gonna say.

[A]

So.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yes. No. Oh, now, I don't know.

[B]

We're. We're passing by this. We're getting on the exit ramp to go to Tin Roof, I think. And right there, I think it's called, like, Hustlers Cup Club or something.

[A]

Oh, yes, yes, yes. It's a strip club, right?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Yes. I'm pretty sure.

[B]

I have no idea what it is.

[A]

Good answer. I do. It's a strip club.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I'm pretty sure.

[B]

But on the side of it. Yeah. They got, like, girls in lingerie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was sitting there and, you know, sipping. Having a road soda before we get there. And I'm sitting there looking out the window this entire time. Might I add, like, half. Half the drive, I'm looking out the window and I'm sitting there, and we got to the stoplight, sitting there, still looking out the window, and obviously I notice it.

[A]

It's big, right?

[B]

I didn't think anything of it, and I just looked forward, and she goes, are you serious? No. Are you seriously looking at that? Like, freaked out right before we're about to go to the bar and hang out with our friends?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And I'm like, no, I'm not.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's too.

[B]

Obviously, I noticed it. It's huge.

[A]

Yeah, it was.

[B]

It was stuff like that. And that's one of my biggest pet peeves, is just.

[A]

That's.

[B]

Life is too beautiful to sit here and think about every possible thing that could go wrong.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. But you're creating something out of nothing. I mean, that's just crazy. So do you feel like now with dating, you can kind of spot that behavior and clo. Like, sooner? Yeah.

[B]

100. Yeah. I mean, obviously, there's. I've talked to a couple girls, you know, over the past couple years, and I don't know, I feel like I've matured a lot in a sense of, like, what I. What I actually want and what I look for, and, you know, I kind of. I'll see something. And I'm like, that was weird.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Don't do that. That was. That was really weird. You know, that wasn't nice.

[A]

Don't do that.

[B]

Just. You snapped at the waiter. I didn't like that. You know, obviously, I don't. I don't say that.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I just take, like, mental notes about stuff like. Like that.

[A]

Or do you take a mental note and then you're like, I'm not gonna hang out with this girl again.

[B]

100.

[A]

Right. You're not. Like, I'll see what happens next time.

[B]

I can't tell you how many times I've been hanging out with somebody and been like, this is the last time we're hanging out.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Because, you know, your morals don't align with mine or, like, you don't hold the same, like, moral values.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

You don't treat people good.

[A]

Right. Right.

[B]

Or maybe it's just, like, the right person or just wrong time or whatever. I don't know. I just. I'm very aware of. I'm more aware of my emotions and my thoughts now.

[A]

Yeah. I'd say that's great. Do you. Do you actually go on dates? Like, would you take a girl to dinner? Or is it more just. Yeah, okay.

[B]

Yeah. 100%.

[A]

What's your ideal date.

[B]

What time of year is it?

[A]

Oh, okay. Well, shit, let's do winter and summer.

[B]

Winter, okay, y'.

[A]

All. We're going hunting.

[B]

We're going hunting. You're going to sit your ass.

[A]

Yeah, you're going to love it.

[B]

No, in the winter, I think. Oh, that'd be more of a vacation. If we're, like, in town, we're going to date. I think the easiest thing in the winter is, like, bundle up, go get some soup at a local place, or, like, go to dinner or I think. I think movie nights around the couch with the campfire going. I think. Yeah, that's considered a date. While I, you know, cook your. Cook your dinner beforehand and then you're

[A]

going to make her dinner.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cute. I love that.

[B]

I say, that's my.

[A]

What date number is that?

[B]

What?

[A]

Date night. Are you, like, finally inviting a girl over and making her dinner? Oh, Would that ever be a first date?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Depends on the girl.

[B]

Depends on the girl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

When are you pulling out the guitar and do you play the guitar? You do, right?

[B]

I do, yeah. Yeah.

[A]

At what point are you pulling out the guitar and singing, serenading this girl?

[B]

I don't really do that.

[A]

You won't.

[B]

I. I think it's cheesy, you know, Unless they're. Hey, can you play me the song? Yeah, okay. Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But I think.

[A]

I don't want to be, like, date one year old. I'm gonna play something.

[B]

Here's Wonderwall.

[A]

That would. Yeah, I agree.

[B]

That would be awful. Yeah. I don't. I think that's cheesy. You know, Obviously she knows I'm an artist, and I do that, so it's like, how about you? I want to see if you like the things that you don't see, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On the music or Artisans, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But in the summer.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Boat.

[A]

Oh, fun, fun, fun.

[B]

Day on the lake.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

My friends.

[A]

Your friends. That's fun. You have a boat?

[B]

I do.

[A]

We've got beautiful lakes here. I don't think people realize that.

[B]

Yeah, well, Hickory's really shallow. It's. It's kind of a. It's really shitty lake in a lot of ways. It's, like, got shallow spots and it's a. It's a boat. It's a boat owner's nightmare.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, just a. A good boat day on the lake.

[A]

That's fun. Yeah.

[B]

I'm a huge, like, outdoor movie person, so.

[A]

Like a drive in movie.

[B]

There's a Place called Stardust, I think. Somewhere around Nashville. And fun. I like to. I like to go there in the summer. Or honestly, just go fishing.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah, I love it.

[B]

Or go day drink. There's nothing better on the water. Yeah, that's my favorite stuff to do.

[A]

Day drinking is elite. Okay, so you have a day off in Nashville. You don't have to do anything. What is your ideal day? Not even, like, just for you? Not even with a girl in general?

[B]

That's a good question.

[A]

Probably doesn't happen that often anymore for you?

[B]

I like to. So if I'm not like morbidly hungover

[A]

from the night before, are you drinking every night?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

No, I've been. And I've been doing. I've been doing really good. I honestly drink more when I have time off.

[A]

That makes. Well, yeah, it makes sense.

[B]

When I'm on the road, I'm pretty on it. Like, I'll have maybe two or three a night. Two before, two after.

[A]

Oh, oh. Do you always have to have a drink before? Does it kind of help?

[B]

It's kind of like a routine. Like. Yeah, I'll start drinking like an hour before and I'll like two before I get on stage. And then after I have like two or three.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

By that time it's 12 o' clock in the morning. I'm like, all right, I'm going to bed. Yeah, but I'm. I'm a lot worse off. Like, I just had like two months off and I was in the islands and I was in. I went back home and hung out with my friends. I was.

[A]

I was having a good.

[B]

Tearing it down.

[A]

As you should.

[B]

I was. Yeah. I felt a little guilty about it.

[A]

No, you're young. That's what you should be doing. Work hard, play hard.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. But I'm pretty good on the road. I try to keep work, work. And yeah, obviously I'll have time for fun. But yeah, I have a day off. I mean, like.

[A]

Are you sleeping in?

[B]

I'm sleeping in.

[A]

How late can you sleep in?

[B]

Not very late.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Depends. Depends on the day. Most of the time my body wakes me up like before nine.

[A]

Yeah. You coffee drinker.

[B]

I haven't had caffeine in like eight years.

[A]

Damn good for you.

[B]

Not even like a dark soda coffee? No, like caffeinated tea?

[A]

Nothing. Amazing. Why did you. So you used to drink caffeine?

[B]

I mean, I've had it.

[A]

Okay. It wasn't like an addiction that you were like, I gotta get off of this. You just haven't Yeah.

[B]

I think last time I had caffeine was probably like 18 years old.

[A]

Oh, my gosh, that's great. Okay, so you're not having a coffee in the morning?

[B]

Not having a coffee. I will have some, like, decaf tea if I'm not feeling too good.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Protein shake. Yep, yep. I got my fair life protein shakes that I like, and I drink them every morning.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nice. And then so your daft. What are you gonna do after that? You have your protein shake now you can do whatever the hell you want.

[B]

I love movies.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'll sit there and probably binge watch a TV show or watch four movies in a row. Really cook myself steak and rice and.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe pour myself a glass of whiskey at night just to love it.

[A]

So you're just lounging. You are lounging most of the time. Yeah. Good, good. As you should.

[B]

But in the summer, it kind of changes. Like, I'm like, all right, it's warm out. I. I don't know. I feel like the sunshine just gives me like a. A energy, a boost of energy where I could just go.

[A]

I know. I feel that.

[B]

All right, boys, come over.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Let's throw a party. Let's go on the boat. Whatever it is, it's so fun.

[A]

There's nothing better. What is your favorite thing about Nashville?

[B]

It's a good question. Like, not. Not related to music.

[A]

Yeah. Or I mean, it could be just like, what is it so much that you love about this place? Because it is a special place for many different reasons.

[B]

I'd say how hungry everybody is to succeed.

[A]

Oh, that's very cool.

[B]

I'd say it's very inspiring for me, especially on those days where I'm like, man, I just. I'm not feeling it, you know? Then I'll get on the phone with one of my songwriter buddies or somebody like Jesse Jo will, like, send me a song idea, and then whatever it is, and then I'll be like, no, this is cool. See, like, this is cool. Like, being submerged and surrounded by people that want to succeed as much as I do, even though I don't feel like it right now, and I feel like down on myself or I'm just tired or whatnot. But it's cool to have people succeeding around you because that ultimately helps you want to do the same.

[A]

Yeah, it's inspiring. Do you go to Broadway? I mean, I've seen you there.

[B]

I haven't been to Broadway in a long time.

[A]

Those days are behind you.

[B]

There is a time. There was a time Where I did.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

100.

[A]

What about this summer? Would you ever go during the day? Day drinking?

[B]

It would be. It'd be hard now, I think.

[A]

Yeah, it would be different for you,

[B]

you know, but no, I got my lake house. I got.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I got people that I love that live in Nashville, and I got all my avenues, you know, I don't.

[A]

So you don't need to go anymore.

[B]

No, I definitely don't. You're absolutely not.

[A]

Once in a blue moon. It's fun.

[B]

Maybe once. Like, once or twice a year.

[A]

That's what I do. You know, it's so. I think it's so fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, having friends in town who don't live here. It's like, all right, let's see.

[B]

That's the. That's the kicker, because everyone's like, hey, I'm going to Nashville. March 12th through 18th or something. Like, whatever it is. Yeah, I have fun. That's what I told them. I was like, have fun. Go here. If you need anything, call me. I'll set some up for you. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's so funny. You gotta go once in a blue moon. I think it's fun.

[B]

Fun. Yeah. I don't know.

[A]

Okay. I want to hear about your writing process because I'm fascinated about how these songs come to life. And I know just talking to a few different people over the years, everyone has a different process, a different style. So what's your starting point, and how does a song come to life?

[B]

It varies on the day, and it varies on the song, obviously. Obviously. But I'm a very melodic writer, so

[A]

I feel like, what does that mean?

[B]

So, a melody.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So I have to hear a melody or create a melody in order to, like, wrap my head around it. It's just the way I don't see, like. I don't see, like, how. How some people see, like. See sounds as colors. Have you ever heard of that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't, like, physically see colors, but, like, in my head, it's like. It's like this puzzle, colorful puzzle thing where it's like I gotta have the melody, and then I start writing feelings over a melody, and then I start making the words make sense. And then, you know, it's kind of one of those things, but.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

That's. That's just me. Then some people, you know, only write to guitar or only.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, or have to. Have to write a poem first and then put melodies over it. You know, it's just. It's different for everybody. But I'm very just Melody driven.

[A]

Yeah. Someone told me one time they literally just go into a recording studio and just start singing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, what if the words just come out?

[B]

That's how. That's how wound up missing you came about.

[A]

Oh, wow. Really? Obviously, you were. You had an idea for, like, the emotion that you wanted to convey. Okay.

[B]

And I, I. I told. I told the emotion to. You know, I wrote it with Thomas Archer and Crystal Corp, and I told that emotion that I was feeling that morning. I was like, it's sunny for the first time in about a week and a half in Nashville. It's been raining, gloomy. I said, I want to ride what that makes me feel like. And I pointed outside and I pointed to the sky, and I was like, windows down. I miss summer. Let's write something that feels good. So he had that. Chris Core had that at that riff. And then Thomas Archer had this idea, the title Wind up missing you. I was like, I don't know what that means, but I'm just gonna start freestyling. I was like.

[A]

And then that just came out.

[B]

It just came out.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

They're like, I don't know what that means, but record.

[A]

And that is so cool.

[B]

It was a happy accident, but we had a vision of what we wanted it to feel like and kind of what we wanted it to be about after that initial, like, burst of whatever that melody is.

[A]

So how long does it take to write a song? So there was that initial burst, and then from there, what happens?

[B]

That one took us about, Like, writing itself, probably 45 minutes to an hour.

[A]

Oh, wow, that's fast.

[B]

Very quick.

[A]

Is that. Is that abnormal, or can that happen sometimes?

[B]

It depends. That's how you know you got a good one if it's not working too hard on it.

[A]

Yeah, that's very cool.

[B]

Yeah. And then there's songs. Then there's those songs where you have to, like. It's just a mental battle, and you're sitting there banging your head against the wall trying to figure out what rhymes with blue.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, and how does it relate to her and me and whatever it is. But most of the best songs that I got can't, you know, come out in, like, 45 minutes or less. That is so cool on a writing aspect. And then you gotta, you know, go sing vocals and, you know, record the demo or whatnot. But.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Would you say that your songs really do reflect where you were at at that time? Or sometimes is there, like, a seed of truth to a song and then it's really Just about, like, creating something

[B]

beautiful most of the time. Especially now, and especially with this second record, the second album. It is all true. You know, it's all just like. Obviously, you throw in a, like, little flavor here. Maybe in, like, the second verse, it's like, oh, it wasn't really here. It was here. But this seems better. Panama City sings better. Whatever.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Then Kentucky.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Whatever it is. Obviously there's different flavors to that you can put into these songs, but it's. It's very true. Especially, you know, lately, how I've been writing is all kind of autobiography. How do you say that word?

[A]

Autobiography. Autobiography. Autobiography. Yeah. There you go. Jesus.

[B]

Dumb and dumber and I write songs.

[A]

Yeah. Right. Well, yeah. I mean, it's got to be really therapeutic, right, to be able to put all that on paper. I've always said you musicians have it so good, because you can basically talk about someone in a song, and it's art.

[B]

It's okay.

[A]

Look, if I come on my podcast and talk about it, people are like, can you shut up about.

[B]

About it?

[A]

You guys really haven't made.

[B]

That's hilarious.

[A]

What is your favorite song to perform?

[B]

Oh, gosh. I mean, Brunette is crazy. Every night. A song that surprised me. So we're a week into this tour or a weekend in three shows. A song that really surprised me, especially the first night, because I wasn't expecting. It was Breakfast.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And we play it second in the set right now, so it's the second song, but as soon as I started, just like everybody. It was like a. Everybody's hands in the air, jumping up and down, dancing, singing. It's. That one really surprised me because it wasn't like a radio song. It wasn't a huge. It's not like a huge, huge streamer.

[A]

That's interesting.

[B]

Very interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, it streams well, but, yeah. It wasn't like a this is it song for the last record, but it.

[A]

And at all three of the shows, that song kind of popped off every.

[B]

Every show.

[A]

Oh, interesting. I love that. What's your personal favorite song? Do you have one song that just means everything to you,

[B]

I think wind

[A]

up just because it changed your life? Because it changed my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And doesn't matter where I'm at. I could be in bfe, Kentucky.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For all I know, I could be playing a show. And I start. I start playing that song, and I take a moment, and I don't, like, mean to do this every night, but it's kind of became a moment. The third chorus, I Just let the crowd sing it. And I. I take the mic away and I just look around. And every single night, I try to take a moment. Whether it's like 5 seconds or 10 seconds or what. What it is, I just look around and I look at. I try to look at everybody in the face that I know, as many people as I can, and just like really soak it in.

[A]

It's so cool.

[B]

That's kind of my moment during that song is to. It's. I take that. I take that moment for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like. Okay, I've given you guys a great show. I'm going to take this moment for me.

[A]

And it's humbling in a way, right?

[B]

It is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, it is. And it's so important to do that because you. You never forget where. Where you came from.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah. That's amazing.

[B]

Reminding yourself.

[A]

Yep. I love it. Okay. I want to play a game with you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. It's called hot or not. And it's basically just situations with made up situations with girls. And I just want you to tell me if you think it's hot or not.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. She knows every lyric to every one of your songs.

[B]

She knows every lyric to every song of mine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How long have we been together?

[A]

Or am I. I mean, you know, it's like you guys have been on a couple dates and she just, like, she's a super fan.

[B]

That's. Can I do middle?

[A]

Yeah, okay. That's fine.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

It's not right. It's a little. A little crazy.

[B]

What if she does it in like a daring way? It's like.

[A]

Or like you guys have been dating, then she learns it. That's different. That's different. But no, like, off the bat, she. She knows every lyric.

[B]

You know what? I think it's hot when people know my songs. All right, I'm gonna say hot. Learn them all.

[A]

All right. Learn them all. Okay. She's vegan.

[B]

Not. I eat way too much steak.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. She says I love you after three dates.

[B]

Not you.

[A]

Like a slow burn.

[B]

Slow burn. Yeah. Let's just. Let's figure out if we actually do love each other.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, wise words. Okay. She's dated another country musician.

[B]

Not.

[A]

She's an influencer.

[B]

Not.

[A]

She already has a kid.

[B]

What does that word even mean?

[A]

I don't even fucking know. I hate that word.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

What are you influencing?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Okay.

[B]

Four people to buy these socks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

TikTok Shop. Jasmine Nuts.

[A]

I Know, I agree. Oh, my God. I think it was Snoop Dogg that had this amazing quote that was like, being Instagram famous is like being rich at Monopoly. Like, it's not real. I love that so much.

[B]

100, right? Okay. I will say this, though. If. If people are using it to, like, better the world, like, and actually using it to, like, starting a fundraiser or, like, hosting events that, you know, for, like, cancer research or, you know, kids or whatever. Whatever.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

You know, if they're using that to do good, I think you're an influencer, okay. You are influencing people to better themselves and better the world.

[A]

Okay. I like that.

[B]

If you're trying to get people to buy your.

[A]

Your yummy gummy hair growing.

[B]

Whatever. Gumbo, Wombo hair product, whatever it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, what are we doing? What are you doing?

[A]

What are we doing?

[B]

Why? Why you like this?

[A]

You know, that's the society we live in. It's crazy. Okay. She already has a kid.

[B]

I respect it, and I respect single mothers.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you.

[B]

I didn't know you had kids.

[A]

I have three kids.

[B]

No, you don't.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah, I have three kids.

[B]

I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not. Although I'm not asking for me. Okay. Everyone. Every time I have a guy come on the podcast, everyone's like, oh, my God, you're flirting with him. I'm like, no, I'm not. This. Not for me.

[B]

I respect single mothers. I really do. My mom was one most of my life. Me, personally, where I'm at in my life right now, I. I don't think I could do it.

[A]

Yeah. Fair. And you want your own kids one day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I respect that. She hates country music.

[B]

Not.

[A]

Okay. She's a city girl.

[B]

Hates country music. Like, all she listens to, like. Yeah, she just EDM and.

[A]

Yeah, I guess. Or maybe not. Maybe not rap and edm, but she just. She doesn't dabble with country.

[B]

I feel like that There's a lot of gray in there.

[A]

Fair.

[B]

There's a lot of different types of country.

[A]

There really is. She's country. She doesn't like any of it.

[B]

Not.

[A]

Not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I like the oldies too much.

[A]

Okay. Right, right. She's a city girl. Like, let's say she lives in New York.

[B]

Not.

[A]

No. You're not messing with New York City. She'll come visit, though.

[B]

I love the shows that I play up in New York City, and I love all of the fans that come to see me in New York City. Like, they did on Friday.

[A]

Oh, right, right. Yep. We love them.

[B]

I love it. I'm just not a city kind of person.

[A]

Like, you can't wait. You love it, and then you can't wait to leave.

[B]

Not necessarily.

[A]

Oh, you know what I like? You really like to be very PC. Like, you gotta say the right thing and I get it. I get it.

[B]

I'm excited to get to the wilderness.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, that's fair.

[B]

Or the lake.

[A]

Okay, that's fair. Okay. That's it. You survived.

[B]

I did.

[A]

You survived. Okay, tell everyone where they can find you and then where they can find your tour schedule as well.

[B]

Hi, I'm Tucker Wetmore, and you can find me at the nearest Chipotle right after this because I'm starving now. You can find me on social media at Tucker Wetmore, and I'm on a world tour right now, so.

[A]

And what. Tuckerwetmore.com Is that a. Is that where they can find your tour schedule? Is that a thing?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I do have a website. Yeah, even.

[A]

No. Or just Google it. Google it.

[B]

Google me or Bing or whatever you use. Google Chrome. Is that a thing?

[A]

Yeah, it is now. You can ask Chat. GPT. There's so many different options.

[B]

That's right. Ask your mom. She probably knows.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I'm just kidding. Thank you. Thank you so much.

[A]

You're amazing.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

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