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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of let's get Dressed. It's your host, Liv Perez. I am currently in New York City. I'm here for New York Fashion Week. I've been doing a bunch of shows, events, podcast things, and it would not be a New York Fashion Week without me jumping on the mic to debrief you guys. Everything I have seen saved, shared, screenshotted from the week, both on and off the runways. And I had to bring on my friend and social media guru, Lydia Berry, co founder of Darlington, a social media agency, to be our resident Gen Z eyes and ears as to what is actually driving conversation online right now and the things on her radar as well. We talk about Ralph Lauren's romantic revival. I feel like I'm seeing so much of that everywhere right now. And the iconic wardrobe on Wuthering Heights and how that's another thing that I'm seeing everywhere. And we unpack why fashion just feels really different right now. I feel like we're entering a new era of dressing for joy. We also talk about the power shift at Vogue, what it signals for the future of media trends we're loving, and so much more. I love these conversations. It's so fun when I get to sit on the couch with a friend and just debrief. So I hope you guys enjoy it as much as we did.
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We're back. Hey, how are we doing?
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She hasn't had coffee yet today. She just left her phone in an Uber upon walking into this podcast episode.
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But she's got a ring on five hours of sleep.
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Oura ring hates us.
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Oura Ring hates.
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But she does have a really cute outfit on today, and I think that that makes everything emotionally better.
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If I was in an ugly outfit and all this happened, terrible day to me. Terrible day. Like, you'd see tears.
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Terrible day.
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And you saying that my outfit is cute is the world's better again? Yeah.
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It's like if you have a cute outfit on and bad things happen to you, you're just Olivia Pope and you're. Oh, my God. You don't know that reference, right?
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Scandal. Yeah.
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Okay. I got so nervous that I would have to explain that to you, and I was like, we gotta do this.
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Have you had a scandal?
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Big time. Alex and I have seen scandal from beginning to end maybe seven times. We watch it start to end once a year. Actually. Funny story. Alex and I went to the baby to baby gala, and Carrie Washington was actually there, and she was there with Katie Lowes, who plays Quinn in the show, and we were with Hannah Bronfman and Brendan Fallis. And they know that Alex and I are big fans. And Hannah and Carrie, our friends, and we just like, they went to, like, go talk and we stood in the corner and I'm. My back is facing them and Alex just goes, oh, no. And you can. I turn around and I see Kerry Washington, Katie Lowes, Hannah and Brendan all staring at the two of us going, come here, you guys. Come here, come here. And I'm like, oh, no. So we go over there and I'm like, I don't get starstruck often.
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No. I'm like, hi.
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Hi. And Alex is like, dude, big fan. Like, huge fans. Like, we literally watch Scandal once a year. Like, he's doing the whole thing. And I go to Carrie and I go, hi, I'm Olivia. And she goes, I was in Olivia for a really long time. And I go, I literally looked at her. I put my hands up and I go, I have to go. I have to go. And I go, I know. I absolutely know that it was a moment in time and I'll never forget it. And I'm pretty sure there's like a pic, a weird selfie that Alex took somewhere that exists in the world, but it was.
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You have to post that now when this episode goes live. That's the promo, by the way, for this episode.
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This episode with no context.
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Yeah.
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But yes, I love Scandal. And yeah, if bad shit happens to you, just always have a good outfit on because then you can handle it. It's handled. As she says.
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It's handled.
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It's handled. We will get your phone back, I promise.
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I know. It'll come back.
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It will come back.
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Anyways. Okay, let's talk fashion.
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Anyways, how is your fashion week going?
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Fashion week is great.
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What have you been up to?
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Well, I've been. You know what I've been up to? I've been here with you. We got in wet Monday. I'm like, what day is it? Okay, we got in on Monday. I got in Monday. You took a red eye. We went straight on Tuesday to the Ralph Lauren fitting, which was very cool.
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It was great.
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It was crazy. And then Ralph Lauren show, which. What are your thoughts? We have.
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We didn't.
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You know what? We didn't talk about, like, the actual looks and the fashion. And like, obviously it was an out of body experience.
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I think I was in a state of shock. I think I'm only coming to.
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I think you are too, because we haven't discussed.
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Do you remember when we were in there and I looked at you, and, like, my eyes started to. Well, and you were like, okay.
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Yeah.
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I thought Ralph was so special. And also, I just think Ralph Lauren's having a moment. I think it's interesting to look at a brand that has existed and has such a deep. Like, is so deeply ingrained in American history. And I think what's interesting about that is they've done, like, they don't need to exist almost in the world of fashion. They have their own bubble that, like, is constantly orbiting, and it doesn't need to partake in anything. They always can kind of do their own thing.
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Yeah.
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And so I think it's always amazing to see what they come up with and, like, what they think is current and interesting.
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Yeah.
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And for some reason, they. They always nail it. I don't know how they do it. It's like they're just so on the nose of what's happening from the collection they did during men's to then designing an incredible Olympics collection.
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Insane.
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To then this show that was kind of perfectly timed with the Wuthering Heights premiere. You're talking about these looks that are so rooted in romanticism and escapism and the style of the 1800s. The ruffles, the embroidery, the chainmail. It is amazing that those two things are happening at once. And they are, yes, coincidental. Like, Wuthering Heights and Ralph are not talking to make this moment happen. But, like, I think that's what's so cool about fashion, is that, like, these cultural moments happen at the same time. They happen in tandem, and that's kind of like what crystallizes trends and moments in fashion. And I think that it's cool that they're never really on purpose.
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But do you think, though, that, like. Cause sometimes I'm like. I do feel like, subconsciously there are signs. Like, you know, like, people are like the recession indicator. Like, there's, like, other socioeconomical, if you will, characters in play of, like, why were they both thinking of, like, that at the same time? I do feel like some of them are just coincidences, but then I feel like other trends are more like, no. Like we're seeing. I don't know.
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I think.
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Or do you think it's all just, like, pure coincidence?
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I think in general, since new designer debuts happened in September, there's kind of been a cultural reset in fashion in terms of what we're paying attention to. And I think the way that people want to dress, really. I think why Matthew Blasey's first collection for Chanel was so Monumental for so many people. And beloved is because it, like, quite literally was an encapsulation of dressing for joy. And I think in the last five years, I. Guys, I'm going to say this, and I hate that I'm saying this, but we're talking about culture here. I hate using the Ql word, but we're gonna talk about quiet luxury for two seconds. Those are eras in fashion.
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Right, Right.
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Even right now, like, where Carolyn Bassett Kennedy is such a part of the conversation with the show coming out. But that was an era that was really impactful during the 90s where people were dressing in minimalism. It was the era of Carolyn Calvin Klein. It was a very different time.
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Right.
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And those eras happen, and then the pendulum swings and we go to something else. Since I think that Chanel collection, there has been so much joy in fashion.
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Yes.
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Fringe movement, ruffles, feathers, all these textures and ways of dressing that are exciting and get people happy. And look, not to say that, like, those things are the standard of happiness. Like, of course, I think of Brenda Hashtag, who, like, loves to wear all black, and that makes her happy. And, like, I give.
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Like, that's.
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That's to each their own.
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Right, right, right.
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But I just think in general right now, like, all these ways of dressing, like romanticism, Wuthering Heights, the Ralph collection, like, I think that those are landing. Like, the plane is landing on those things because of where we were are at culturally in fashion. Whereas, like, if that happened during this quiet luxury moment, we'd be like, no one wants to dress like that right now.
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Right.
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So I think it's just a bigger testament to, like, what's happening in, like, the greater sphere that these things land.
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Right, right, right. The Ralph show was incredible.
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Yeah.
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I think you said the. Right. Like, it felt special. Yeah, it felt special in a way that I just feel like. I mean, listen, every show, it feels special, but I don't know. That one just felt the music. Like, I think music really can. I don't want to necessarily say, like, make or break a show, but I went to a show last night that had really bad music, and I was like, it just. It takes. And maybe it's just me. Like, I'm. Maybe I'm, like, a musically inclined like that, but music is so emotional to me. And it's part of the show, and it's a big part. It's part of the. It's the senses, you know? And so to me, it's like, you have to. You have to really nail that. Otherwise, like, I'M looking at the clothes differently. I'm taking in the atmosphere differently. Like, I'm watching it through a completely different lens of like. Like, the music isn't quite aligned.
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Music can absolutely make or break a show because it's how it is seeped into the way that you remember that moment.
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Right.
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If it's a cheesy song, it's not gonna land all of those things. The soundscape, the set, the way the models walk, the emotion. All of those things are so crucial to the way that you show a collection.
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Right.
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So if the music feels cheesy in your mind, you're gonna say, this is a very commercial collection.
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Commercial. That's the perfect word.
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Yes. And like. And maybe that's the intention of a brand. No problem.
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Fine. Who do you think's in charge of picking the sound?
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They are called soundscape artists. And.
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But they are like, does Ralph Lauren have a soundscape artist that works full time in.
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No, they consult people in. So, like, K. Tronada, who's an incredible dj, will be brought in for soundscapes. And, like, those are always obviously incredible. Christopher John Rogers, when he was showing, would bring in unbelievable soundscape artists and put them on Spotify. I think some of them are still there.
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Yeah. I feel like there's something like that these, like, designers and shows could be doing with the music aspect, similar to how Charli XCX did the entire Wuthering Heights soundtrack. And now we're, like, excited about Wuthering Heights because there's also Charli XCX attached to it. I know these shows obviously aren't as, like. These fashion shows aren't as big of, like, a. You know, it's not a movie, but in terms of, like, a buzzy social moment, I don't know, I feel like.
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There could be some more fun to it.
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Yeah.
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Marketing.
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Yeah.
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I think when it comes down to it, like, budget's a big factor. Like, these brands don't have a lot of money to be able to dedicate to these big artists coming in. Fashion shows are incredibly expensive to put on. I remember a couple years ago, there was a deep dive into how much a show really costs for a young designer. And I think it ended up being somewhere in the ballpark of, like, 200 grand all the way. And it actually charted all the way back to, like, the beginning process of putting on a show. It's like getting the samples, getting the fabrics, the back and forth of tailoring, and that's even before guests getting samples out. Models, hair and makeup, transporting looks to guests, cars, all that stuff. So it's a huge investment for a brand. So I can imagine that, like, the soundscape is, like, kind of low on the totem pole, you know, I'm also wondering for you if you thought there's not been a lot going on this week.
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I feel like February kind of is like that, though. I. I agree there. I don't think there's a lot going on. I don't. I don't in terms of, like, social moments, too, because I'm constantly, you know, looking online, like, I'm not really seeing anything. It feels very turnkey this season. It's like, okay, and the celebrity is here. And, like, that makes sense and, like. Cause they started the campaign three months ago and, like, cool. And it's like these kind of, like, one and done moments. Like, there's no big wow factor. I feel like that we've seen, I will say, the Michael Kors show Christy Turlington closed, which I thought was exciting.
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Especially because she has, like, such deep roots in the brand. It was kind of an iconic moment.
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Yeah. Like, that felt iconic. And it was like the 45th anniversary. But, yeah. I don't know. Outside of that, I'm like, I'm not as inspired this season as I have been other seasons.
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Was it you this week that said that this. That February always feels a bit more industry?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Which I think is really valid. September, this might be a very simple generalization of what's going on, but, like, no one wants to go out in this weather. And I think that brands don't want to put money behind betting on this big, splashy event if, God forbid, it's going to snow and people are going to get stuck in, like, cold weather.
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Yeah.
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So I think that is an important aspect of it. But I also think, like, from an industry perspective, it's always a really busy time. Like, awards season is right now. Celebrities need to be elsewhere. Like, and also, like, a few years ago, like, the Grammys were the same weekend as Fashion Week. It was crazy. You would have people flying back and forth. Samples were flying everywhere. I always make the joke that, like, who's the master of the calendar? Because they, like, really failed. I don't know. I think it's just. I think things change. I will say what I thought was, like, a really cool shift in the calendar was that Tori went first instead of last.
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Oh, yeah.
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Which I think is fun.
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Like, you know, Tori just keeps getting better and better. I feel like I think she found their stride big time.
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I think they always have a really interesting mix of people at their shows.
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Absolutely. Which, like, is a little bit of, like, a wow factor. And I'm excited to see who's going to be there versus, like, it never really feels expected. I think their social strategy has been great. Then bringing in, like, I feel like it's kind of tradition now at this point. It's like, who's going to be the, like, interviewer, like, the correspondent tonight? And, like, oh, I've been who it was this year. Who. Who was it?
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Something that I love that they do is, like, they do have a repeatable. They love to, like, bring in repeat people. So, like, old loser in Brooklyn, Mandy Lee, who is our friend, first guest on the podcast this year, always goes back stage and does, like, a freaky shoe report because she is known for her love of freaky shoes. So she will. And Tory Burch obviously makes the most unbelievable shoes.
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Incredible.
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By the way, guys, if you have not seen this show yet, I thought so many pieces were great, but the heroes were the shoes. There was, like, this velvet strappy flat that I just, like, live for. And so go look at Mandy's coverage of the Tory Burch freaky shoes. But it was so good. And so, like, they did that. But then they also, like, pick someone who's, like, kind of going viral at the moment. And so, like, Dylan Kelly, who's doing these videos that it's like, oh, you don't know. Donatella Versace. Walk with me. Like, have you seen those?
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No.
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For the listeners, because I just feel like this would be fun.
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Also wearing jeans.
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Babe, this is Lucas Abbott. Jeans are tough. Oh, you were scrolling Luca's Twitter. Come walk with us. So it's always like the come walk with us thing. And then he actually goes into, like, the explanation of whatever the thing is. And he's done a lot of these things and, like, that are, like, really rooted in, like, fashion history and fashion lore, and I think it's really great. So Torey had him do it backstage, and he was, like, interviewing all the models, which I thought was cute.
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Wait, but the Alex Khonsani content backstage.
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Alex Khunsani is the, in my mind, most incredible on air person.
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It's incredible.
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I have.
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How does she do it?
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Ever seen. I've never seen someone who is wittier or sharper or quicker in my life. It's crazy.
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And the Tori Con and Tori, like, as a brand to, like, have that piece of content live on. You know what I mean?
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It's like she literally. I think Dylan was like, what were you doing before you were modeling? And she was like, serving.
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Yeah.
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The C word.
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Yeah.
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And I was like. She was like, I've been doing that forever. And I was like, how did.
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Her slogan is closed mouths don't get fed.
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I'm obsessed with her, and I love seeing all of her life.
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I love that models are like, becoming personalities like that too. Like, from a brand standpoint, like, how exciting that, like, they're casting Alex because they also know she's probably gonna be great for social content too, you know, like.
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Right. So I've been in New York the last week running around for Fashion Week, and I always love New York Fashion Week because I come home with so much good styling inspiration. There are so many amazing trends and styling ideas that I cannot wait to try for spring.
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And.
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And my number one trick to get all the trends is to go to Banana Republic this season because they make nailing that look feel so easy and they have everything you need. There are a few spring trends that we have to talk about. My favorite one was spring suede. I always say you don't have to only wear your suede in the fall and winter. I love it year round. I love these trousers and white top that I'm wearing. And I feel like this jacket just makes it look so good. I built this look specifically around this Banana Republic suede shirt jacket. One, I love a shirt jacket cause it just feels like a great layer, but it also feels perfect for spring. I layered it with this amazing cream boat neck top from Banana Republic. I love a boat neck. I think it just gives this very, very chic cut. And it looks way more tailored and put together than a classic white tee. And then I finished the look with these tailored black trousers. And I love a patent leather belt for a little bit of shine. Another major trend that I saw that I loved everywhere, both on the Runway and in real life too, was a lot of utilitarian, inspired clothing. Think structures, pockets, clean lines, but done in a way that still feels really modern and elevated. This is so great if you're on the go or you're going to podcast episodes like me and just want to look really polished, but also really put together. These are the pieces that work over time in your wardrobe. They're doing double duty. They're great for a school drop off for meetings, or you can even throw on a heel and look really great at night. And Banana Republic has always been known for this category. They are so good at iconic workwear moments, especially in those iconic 90s ads. I love how prevalent they are today. There's this one piece that I love. It's their utility shirt jacket. It also has a matching pair of pants and it is perfect for everything. I love it with flats during the day, but heels at night. It's one of those outfits that you just feel so put together without really even trying. That's why I love a matching set for you. Just always look so good. And then my last trend and my favorite one that is amazing color combos. It's one of my favorite things to style to make an outfit look really elevated but also really effortless for every day. It's really chic and unexpected because it's one of those like high impact, low effort outfits. One of my favorite ways to incorporate a good color combo, start with a sweater. Knitwear is everything and Banana Republic has so many good ones this season for spring. I've really been reaching for those lightweight styles in knits and in really fresh colors, like a light pink. For example, they have a cotton cashmere short sleeve sweater that is perfect for this. I would get it in that blush pink color and maybe throw an olive trench coat layered over it. That color combo is one of my favorites. I also really love light pink with like a deep maroon too. And I always say when it comes to style, simple doesn't mean boring. So if you feel like throwing on just a simple sweater feels boring, know that if you use great color, it can feel really effortless and polished without really trying too hard. So that is your New York Fashion Week spring trend report. To get the look, I am leaning into Banana Republic's new spring rivals. The collection is so good, especially pieces like that utility jacket and the cotton cashmere short sleeve sweater. Those two pieces I'm gonna be living in all spring. You can find all of these pieces online and in store now. This segment was brought to you by Banana Repub. And then did you see the American Vogue cover with Rosalia?
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Yeah.
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So this is Chloe Maul's first cover.
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Okay, yeah, I'm a little confused here. Go ahead. But. And maybe the classes too.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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Like, why are they doing joint interviews? They're just, they're, they're, they're business partners now. Like, they're partners.
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Okay, so Lydia's talking about the New York Times joint interview that Chloe Mull and Anna Wontore did this week. It was a 4 1/2 minute sit down interview where the two of them basically talked about what they each feel about Vogue leadership styles looking towards the future. And a lot of people Asked why, I think that obviously happened because this was Chloe Maul's first Vogue cover.
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She's really being seen now.
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Yes, this is her first cover. So I think they were doing press around it. Chloe Ma was also on the Today show. She was interviewed by Jenna Bush Hager. So I think they're doing some press right now at the moment.
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Okay, but what are their. What are their. So Anna Wintour is still editor in chief.
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Anna is now the global editorial director of Vogue and the chief content officer of Conde Nast, whereas I'm pretty sure Chloe Malls is the head of editorial content. There was one thing that I got served on my Instagram that I really loved and would love to hear your thoughts on from like the Gen Z perspective always. That's why we bring Lydia on, to humble us and bring us to the. To the current time. So there is a woman who works in politics. Her name's Amanda Lipman, and she rug. She is the co founder of an organization called Run for Something. She's actually been on this podcast before, like way back in 2020. She essentially helps young people run for office. She gives them the resources, the how to, and she really gives people a platform who might not know their way into politics. I love what she does. I think she's amazing. She wrote a book recently. I haven't read it, but she posted on Instagram.
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Click.
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A very poignant clip from this interview with Anna and Chloe. And I guess she has a theory called Armor versus Authenticity. And it is her way of explaining the difference between generational leadership styles. And in the clip you see Jessica Tessa, who's the New York Times interviewer, and she says to both of them, so when was the last time you were nervous? And you see Chloe go, my favorite clip, 30 seconds ago, like before we started this interview. And then she goes, and what about you? And Anna goes, you're asking me that? And she said, yes. And Anna goes, I never get nervous. I've never been nervous, or something like that. And Amanda posted on Instagram and said, this is a perfect example of this theory that I talk about, which is armor versus Authenticity. And that in today's world, young people want someone that they can relate to. They want someone that feels real to them.
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Absolutely.
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Whereas the old guard is very used to, like, being really put together and behind kind of closed doors. And I thought that that was even.
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I think about this a lot.
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I thought that that was even like in the way they talked about budgeting. I don't know if you saw this part, but there was a budget question. And Chloe was like, I would pay our. I would increase salaries by 30%. I would pay our social team more. Like, she got really in the nitty gritty of it. Whereas Anna was like, the PR answer. We have a very healthy budget that gets put in the right places for right moments. And also, I really quickly want to say, before I hear your pov, like, I. I, like, have a lot of empathy for Anna in that moment, who has been raised in a business setting and been a woman put in the position of power and has probably been trained to be that poised, right and put together because that's what was demanded of women in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s. 2000s, when she was coming up in media.
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Yeah.
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So that is the way that she's gotten to where she is. So, like, I don't want to say that she's just like a prince talking head.
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Of course not. But she also has, like, probably a chair of 10 men executives, you know, on the board that are also watching this answer and, like, are maybe expecting more of a PR answer than they, like. So my POV is. And I think about this a lot because I have a business, I have a team, and I'm constantly shifting between, okay, when am I letting them know that Red flag. I'm like, I'm stressed right now and this is a problem, or I'm nervous right now, or this is how I'm really feeling. And when is it actually better for me to put on a front and put on that armor and be like, no, no, no, guys, don't worry, there's no fire happening right now. Do not stress about it and make them feel supported and make sure it's calm when really, I gotta go put out the flames. So personally, I think it's like a balance of both, though. Like, I do think that we are seeing more of this transparency. And I think ultimately, like, when I think about, like, my other jobs too, it's like, as someone looking up to leadership, like, I wanted the transparent answer. I don't care if you didn't know the answer to my question, like, tell me that, you know, don't. I don't want a PR thing. Like, it's. We're like, especially just like, as colleagues in the workplace too. Like, it's better to have the transparency. And like, especially with these big corporations, like, you want to hear the actual answers.
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A
And.
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B
But then at the same time, I understand, like, you know, if Anna maybe hadn't said that, like, maybe there would have been a headline written and like you. It's like such a delicate balance. But ultimately I side with the. The side of transparency, both, like, personally and. But also, like within these. With a Vogue. Like, this example, I think is perfect. Like, it was very. It was such a contrast big time.
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A
Like, a lot of people. And I'm sure you love this. Like, a lot of people were like, I'm so glad she shouted out the social media team. Oh, my God.
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B
When she said the social team, I was like, girl gets it. Like, thank you. So that. That's a good point. In terms of values, I am excited knowing that that's top priority for her to see how maybe that does get implemented. Or just knowing that she is fond of the social team and knows that, like, they are what makes the business grow and Vogue be seen and have that awareness. Like, are we gonna maybe put more thought into it? Like, can we expect, like, some exciting. Like, am I excited to, like, consume Vogue content again? I don't know.
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A
Those are the things that I thought have consumed the week more than shows, to be honest.
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B
Fully, fully, fully full.
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A
Like the two Vogue covers, this video. Like, everywhere I've gone, those are the things that people have brought up. Let's talk about another thing that I think is sacred text, which will be sacred text, which is the Wuthering Heights.
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B
Oh, yeah. We haven't talked about that.
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A
Press wardrobe.
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B
I'm obsessed.
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A
Do you want to see it on Sunday? Are you leaving Sunday?
- [25:07]
B
I leave at 8am oh. I've heard mixed things.
- [25:10]
A
I've heard mixed things. Kirby Johnson, who's one of my favorite fashion journalists, said that you must go see it twice and to only see it with the women in your life.
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B
Oh.
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A
Is what I've been told. Okay. I assume because it's raunchy as hell.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So wait.
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B
But thank you for a raunchy as hell movie with Jacob Elordi and Margot Robbie.
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A
We love.
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B
But sometimes I feel like when the casting is too good like that, that, like, sometimes the movies aren't that great.
- [25:36]
A
Do you know what's interesting about this? I think at this point, the press tour was so good that it doesn't matter if the movie is good or bad. And the same will go for the Devil Wears Prada.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Does not matter if the movie's good or bad. Guys like the Devil or his Prada, Just so everybody knows. Is going to come out the same week as Met Gal.
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B
Incredible.
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A
So you're going to have all those people on incredible press tours.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And the Met Gala as a part of that press tour.
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B
Right.
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A
Which, by the way, there's also, like, a Met moment in the movie, so it doesn't matter if the movie's good or bad. I think at the end of the day, I think these press tours actually have moments to have the opportunity to supersede the movie, and I think that's a new thing.
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B
Yeah. Oh, fully.
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A
I'm not rushing out the door to go see Wuthering Heights. I probably will when I'm back. But, like, I don't care. It's already iconic to me. It's already sacred text. It's already in the book of fashion history.
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B
But how do they make money then? Like, you need to see the movie. You know what I mean?
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A
It's not my problem. But. Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, from.
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B
Like, a brand perspective, it's like, how do you turn? And I only am.
- [26:33]
A
No, this is. This. This. What just happened will make people go see it.
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B
Right, right, right. Her looks now.
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A
Her again, sacred text. Like, sacred text.
- [26:42]
B
So incredible, but. But also expected, but unexpected.
- [26:47]
A
Yes. I thought she, like, she.
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B
Okay.
- [26:49]
A
Margot Robbie is the true fashion chameleon.
- [26:53]
B
Yeah.
- [26:53]
A
This woman can go from Wolf of Wall street incredible.
- [26:57]
B
To Barbie Tanya to I, Tonya to.
- [27:02]
A
I, Tonya to Wuthering Heights romantasy. It's crazy. Custom Chanel and Schiaparelli, so. And land the plane so hard.
- [27:11]
B
Yeah. But I think, for example, when I think of, like, this era of dressing and, like, okay, I'm expecting lace, and I'm expecting. You know what I mean? It's like, that is what I expected. But the way the styling choices, the fabrics, like, the way it was paired, like, that's why I'm like, it was expected, but it was. Something about. It was, like, a little bit different, which I think was so exciting. And why I think a lot of people were like, oh, this is interesting. Charlie.
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A
XCX's custom looked incredible.
- [27:42]
B
She's having such a moment. LOL. Moment.
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A
The moment.
- [27:45]
B
Also the moment. Press.
- [27:46]
A
So meta.
- [27:48]
B
But I'm like, that is truly. Like, people will study that in textbooks in terms of, like, social rollout.
- [27:53]
A
Ooh. Say more. Say more. People will study this in terms of social rollout. What was impactful for you about it?
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B
Like, the fact, like, they're capitalizing on TikTok. Like, the fact that they were, like, doing the trends of the moment, like, with the cast and, like, the fact that they, like, like, stood up to you, like, the fuck you trend.
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A
I didn't see that, but, yeah, the same thing.
- [28:11]
B
It was like, Charlie and who are the other girls in the movie. Kylie, Charli, Kylie. Who's that?
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A
Rachel.
- [28:17]
B
Rachel. It was Charli, Kylie and Rachel, like, doing a trend that was, like, of the time on TikTok. And it was, like, had to do with the moment, too. It was so exciting. And it's, like, fun because you're like, oh, like, they're in on it. Like, it's exciting. And then, like, when they're, like when Charlie teased, I think, like, when tickets were on sale or maybe, like, the launch of it, it was one big announcement. It was a photo of her and Kylie from behind the scenes on set, like, holding, like, a little director's cut, like, in their underwear. And I'm like, that's the photo that people want to see. Like, I want to see the, you know, the press. The press photo, like. And I think some people are still doing some of the press photo vibes. And listen, like, I'm not. I do think if Jacob and Margot were to make a TikTok in the Wuthering Heights, like, it would have been even more. You know what I mean?
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A
One of the most viral moments of 2025 was when Romy Mars, Sophia Coppola's daughter, they had done a TikTok together, the two of them, and it was the first time you'd ever seen Jacob in, like, TikTok normal setting. And you were like, whoa, the guy's on a roof doing a TikTok just like the rest of us. So, like, putting these celebrities in these, like, very authentic moments that, like, we're all in they land. Like, that stuff went viral. I think it had, like, 40 million views.
- [29:28]
B
Yeah, it's crazy. It's just. It's exciting to see them in, like, a different context and, like, also know that, like, they're in on it a little bit, you know, like, they're not better. It's a. I understand that it's a delicate. You know, you still want Jacob Elordi to be untouchable.
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A
Right?
- [29:41]
B
So it's like, you know, I don't. I don't. Maybe I don't want to see him every day on TikTok, but, like, I do think what Charlie's doing and the team over there is, like, really incredible. And, like, every outfit she wears is so it's like her. But it's perfect.
- [29:55]
A
Like, it's a masterclass in theme dressing without being cheesy.
- [29:58]
B
Yes. Yeah, yeah.
- [29:59]
A
Like, they're pulling on themes. And the way that Andrew went through Fashion Archive and found these moments that felt so relative to the subject matter. Without feeling cheesy, like she's not walking out in something that feels like she's in Bridgerton.
- [30:12]
B
Right.
- [30:12]
A
But like it felt of the time but modern and like slightly sexy. Because the movie's sexy. Like, I think when these moments are successful, to me it's like when a stylist sits down and is able to pull on the obvious themes, but then also the undertones and find moments in between. Margot Robbie in John Galliano from spring, summer to 92. It's like there are so many themes from this that make sense. Right. Like the coat is like this tapestry fabric that takes you back to the 1800s in a way that feels like so authentic.
- [30:45]
B
Right.
- [30:46]
A
Like the feathers. It makes sense. But then the whole tone of this movie has been like yearning, raunchy. There's something in there. And of course she just looks hot and she has like a garter belt and like these knee high stockings. So I think when you're able to take all of these themes and make them make wear something that makes the audience think about that, it's genius.
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B
Yeah. 100%. Yeah. No, I'm eating it up.
- [31:12]
A
Sacred text. Sacred text. Guys, we'll be talking about this forever. I want to ask you one final question, which is that is there something from this week that you've like screenshotted, saved, loved, in terms of style that you want to try, that you're looking forward to for spring?
- [31:28]
B
So I actually saw Gabby Rose wrestler post. Just like an outfit, like roundup of looks. It was a very cute caption. Postcards from my bedroom. And it's like her, like in her bedroom.
- [31:40]
A
Very cute. Wait, wallpaper diva Love. Literally. I love the wallpaper. Guys.
- [31:44]
B
She's wearing a ripped jean. Hers is like a little bit like, it looks like a big.
- [31:48]
A
And it's also below the knee, which I think is interesting. Yeah, it's like a vintage pair moment.
- [31:53]
B
Which I think it's like if we're going to do it, we have to do it kind of like this.
- [31:56]
A
Yes. Kind of in a similar vein because it has to do with like that texture. I see a lot of like tassels and fringe. Fringe always like, I think that's always a thing. But I've seen a lot of people.
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B
Yes.
- [32:05]
A
Tying like a little scarf with like tassel. Not. I'm saying tassels wrong. It looks like fringe on the end of a scarf. Like, and I saw it at Zara. Like a tassel, like a fringe trim.
- [32:17]
B
Yes.
- [32:17]
A
I've been seeing a lot of that and I kind of like how it's, like, texture and layer to things.
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B
Yeah.
- [32:22]
A
Like the pouf. Christina Grasso. My face was wearing, like, a thin silk scarf that had fringe on the trim, and it added a lot to her.
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B
It's like, something that's, like, exciting and interesting and, like, joyful and if you will.
- [32:33]
A
I think last year we saw a lot of, like, the scarves tied around the waist, and I think people, like, like, a layering moment and an opportunity to play around with, like, something different. Yeah, I think we're going to see a lot of scarfs this year. Like, guest in residence did those cashmere bandanas, and I've seen those all over my feed.
- [32:47]
B
And, like, over the head.
- [32:48]
A
Over the head, the balaclava. I think we're going to see a lot of those, like, technical accessories, which we talked about at the beginning of the year.
- [32:54]
B
And, oh, tassels. I feel like Jacques Mousse is designing a lot of pieces with that, like, kind of, like, fringy moment. Like, at the end, somebody just wore a dress, I think.
- [33:05]
A
Olivia Deen.
- [33:06]
B
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's who it was. That's. Yeah, it's fun. Fine, I'll send me the link. Buy it. I literally. What Liv wears, I wear, like, my style is your style now at this point.
- [33:18]
A
Not true. You have your own identity, babe.
- [33:21]
B
Yeah, but I like yours.
- [33:22]
A
Thanks. Thanks so much for doing this. Thanks. Always fun to, like, touch base with you and hear your thoughts on, like, what's moving the needle in social media. I always have a really great time in these combos. Thanks also, guys. Follow Lydia on Instagram. She's idberry. I will put it in the description of this episode.
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B
Amazing.
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A
You're the best. Bye.