Ask Lisa & Harry: Returning to RHOBH(?), Sugar Daddies & More

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Ask Lisa & Harry: Returning to RHOBH(?), Sugar Daddies & More"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Let's Not Talk About The Husband
• Hosts: Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin
• Episode Title: Ask Lisa & Harry: Returning to RHOBH(?), Sugar Daddies & More
• Release Date: May 2, 2025

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1. Introduction and Listener Questions

The episode kicks off with Lisa and Harry welcoming listeners and introducing the theme of the day: answering listener-submitted questions. Lisa mentions gathering five questions from her Instagram followers, setting the stage for a candid and engaging discussion.

• Notable Quote:
  • Lisa Rinna [00:15]: “We have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.”

2. Lisa's Dog Walking Mishap

Lisa shares a personal and humorous story about a recent accident while walking their Rottweiler, Rocky. The mishap involved her leash getting tangled around her legs, leading to a fall that resulted in a bloodied face and potential concussion.

• Key Points:

  • Lisa’s struggle with walking a large dog like Rocky, who lacks the stamina for long hikes.
  • The unexpected accident and the immediate aftermath, including help from a neighbor.
  • The relief of not requiring hospital intervention after a dermatologist diagnosis.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Lisa Rinna [02:23]: “And you came home, and I had sympathy pains all over me.”
  • Harry Hamlin [03:06]: “Oh, you were gushing. You were in bad shape.”

3. Participation in Expo West and Harry's Cooking Show

Harry discusses their experience at Expo West in Anaheim, highlighting the challenges of pitching their sauce to retailers such as Kroger. He recounts the intense and competitive environment, likening it to his early acting auditions.

• Key Points:

  • The pressure of delivering a seven-minute pitch to potential investors and retailers.
  • Positive feedback received from attendees, including enthusiastic endorsements.
  • Introduction to Harry’s cooking show, "In the Kitchen with Harry Hamlin," featuring his niece Renee.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Harry Hamlin [05:22]: “We had a great response. I mean, there was one guy yesterday who came in in the morning and he tried our sauce… ‘Don't try anything else. Just try this.’”
  • Lisa Rinna [07:58]: “She's on the cooking show with me.”

4. The RHOBH Question: To Return or Not

One of the main listener questions centers around whether Lisa would consider returning to "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" (RHOBH). Lisa discusses the emotional toll the show took on her, while Harry firmly states his opposition to her rejoining, emphasizing the negative impact it had on their lives.

• Key Points:

  • Listener Ian from the UK urges Lisa to return to RHOBH, expressing that the show "needs her."
  • Harry defends his stance against Lisa returning, citing the emotional challenges and lack of personal gain.
  • The couple humorously debates the nature of their relationship, touching on the idea of marriage and financial arrangements.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Harry Hamlin [23:44]: “In my estimation, you were a goat on that show, and you're not being on it… You wouldn't go back, would you?”
  • Lisa Rinna [23:22]: “The burning question that you've wanted to always find out about is Harry Hamlin says no.”

5. Pregnancy, Deliveries, and Postpartum Experiences

Lisa opens up about her pregnancies and the challenges she faced during and after childbirth. She shares the unique experience of delivering her children herself and the severe postpartum depression that ensued, highlighting the importance of seeking medical help.

• Key Points:

  • Lisa’s decision to deliver her babies, detailing the long and exhausting labor.
  • The intense postpartum depression Lisa experienced, including intrusive thoughts and suicidal ideation.
  • The crucial role of antidepressants and therapy in her recovery, despite societal stigmas.
  • Harry recounts his support during Lisa’s difficult postpartum period.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Lisa Rinna [27:00]: “So make sure that you talk to your doctor about, what do I do if I start to feel blue?”
  • Harry Hamlin [31:16]: “Seraphin. It was like a female version of Prozac, whatever that fucking means.”
  • Lisa Rinna [32:16]: “They saved me. And I am totally pro. Antidepressant, let me tell you.”

6. Parenting Stories and Child-Rearing Insights

The hosts delve into amusing and memorable parenting moments, including Amelia’s spitting phase and strategies they employed to curb her behavior. They reflect on their parenting styles and the successes they’ve observed in their children.

• Key Points:

  • Amelia’s challenging spitting phase and the creative response from Lisa to stop the behavior.
  • The couple’s confidence in their parenting skills, leading to their children’s positive development.
  • Lighthearted anecdotes about raising their daughters and the humorous moments that arose.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Lisa Rinna [33:10]: “She was spitting people… I lost it. And I was like, Amelia, girls don't spit. Boys spit. And if you keep spitting, you're gonna grow a penis.”
  • Harry Hamlin [34:19]: “Our kids are on fire. They're doing amazing stuff.”

7. Health Challenges: Osteoporosis and Bone Density

Lisa discusses her recent diagnosis with osteoporosis at a relatively young age, detailing the necessary treatments and lifestyle adjustments she must undertake. The conversation highlights the importance of bone health and the complexities of managing such conditions.

• Key Points:

  • Lisa’s diagnosis and the recommended treatment involving daily injections to build bone density.
  • The frustration with insurance companies and the challenges in accessing necessary medications.
  • The balance between maintaining physical health and adhering to medical advice, including heavy weightlifting and dietary considerations.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Lisa Rinna [40:08]: “I have to be careful because now I have to go on one of those drugs that helps build my bone up.”
  • Harry Hamlin [41:03]: “Are they gonna pay for something?”
  • Lisa Rinna [41:24]: “So even though we talk about this stuff, make sure you talk to your own doctors before you do any of the crazy shit that we do.”

8. Reflections on Acting Careers and Show Experiences

Harry and Lisa reminisce about their experiences on various TV shows, including "Mad Men" and "LA Law." They discuss the demands of these roles, the challenges of long shooting hours, and the personal growth that resulted from their time on these sets.

• Key Points:

  • Harry’s portrayal of Jim Cutler on "Mad Men," emphasizing character creation and the show's meticulous nature.
  • Lisa’s experiences on "Days of Our Lives," highlighting the intense memorization and improvisation required.
  • The impact of demanding acting schedules on their personal lives and their enduring bond.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Harry Hamlin [46:32]: “They let me create this character, Jim Cutler, that was not on the page… So I achieved what I needed to achieve to be Continental.”
  • Lisa Rinna [51:00]: “I was carrying the show at one point and you were…”
  • Harry Hamlin [53:35]: “You did something right, darling, in spite of the spitting or whatever it was.”

9. Balancing Fitness and Diet

The hosts discuss their approaches to staying fit and healthy, touching on their differing diets and exercise routines. They humorously debate the cost and quality of health foods and share personal insights into their fitness habits.

• Key Points:

  • Harry’s limited intake of sweets due to hypoglycemia and his preference for cost-effective options.
  • Lisa’s commitment to daily workouts, primarily yoga, and her experiences with bone density-focused training.
  • The playful “cookie wars” between Lisa and Harry, reflecting their lighthearted dynamic.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Harry Hamlin [35:14]: “I'll have raisin oatmeal cookie after dinner.”
  • Lisa Rinna [37:06]: “Consistency.”
  • Harry Hamlin [38:00]: “I had a big neck… I couldn't fit in any of my clothes. I was like a fire plug.”

10. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Lisa and Harry reflect on their journey together, the support they've provided each other through various challenges, and the importance of maintaining their relationship. They encourage listeners to reach out with questions and share feedback, reinforcing the podcast’s community-driven approach.

• Notable Quotes:
  • Lisa Rinna [53:45]: “Even though you did talk about me. They keep talking about you also, by the way.”
  • Harry Hamlin [54:02]: “And make sure to tell all your friends too. I mean, like everyone you know and their mother.”
  • Lisa Rinna [54:28]: “You can find us on social media, LisaRina on Instagram, and then I'm LisaRinaOfficial on TikTok.”

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Conclusion:

In this episode of "Let's Not Talk About The Husband," Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin offer a blend of personal anecdotes, professional insights, and lighthearted banter. They address significant topics such as health challenges, parenting, and the complexities of their acting careers, all while maintaining their signature humor and candidness. Listener questions add depth to the conversation, allowing the couple to share their experiences and perspectives in a relatable and engaging manner.

Whether recounting Lisa's dog-walking accident or reflecting on their time on iconic TV shows, the episode provides a comprehensive look into the lives of these Hollywood veterans. Their open discussion about mental health and physical well-being also underscores the podcast's commitment to authenticity and support for their audience.

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Transcript

[Lisa Rinna]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this is let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been together for over 30 years, and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Well, hi, everybody. Thanks for tuning in to let's Not Talk about the Husband, who happens to be sitting right here. Are we going to talk about me?

[Lisa Rinna]

Maybe, Yeah. I got some questions. I asked people on my Instagram yesterday to give me some questions.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, well, we'll get to those in a minute.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I've got five of them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, you got five questions.

[Lisa Rinna]

I do.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

Because we have five listeners.

[Harry Hamlin]

We're going to shoot for six next week. Okay. So anyway, so what's been going on? Let's talk about it, because you had quite a week.

[Lisa Rinna]

I did.

[Harry Hamlin]

You took the dog for a walk. And what happened?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I take the dog for a walk up and down the street in.

[Harry Hamlin]

The morning because she's a big dog. And, you know, we have a lot of trails around our house that we go hiking on. But our dog, who's Rocky's female, even though she's got kind of a male.

[Lisa Rinna]

Name, she's a Rottweiler, £100.

[Harry Hamlin]

She's a big Rottweiler, and she can't really make it on these long hikes. I mean, big dogs like that, they don't have the stamina that we have.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, she doesn't.

[Harry Hamlin]

She doesn't.

[Lisa Rinna]

She doesn't.

[Harry Hamlin]

Most big. How many times have you seen a big Rottweiler on that trail? Not that many.

[Lisa Rinna]

Maybe twice. But, yeah, not that many, because the.

[Harry Hamlin]

Little dogs, they can make it. But the big dogs, like, we'd get out on the trail with her, we'd get halfway up the mountain, and she would just sit down, we sit in the shade and pant, and she would say, carry me. And she's 110 pounds. I'm not gonna carry the dog.

[Lisa Rinna]

She's not 110. She's 100.

[Harry Hamlin]

Whatever she is, she's enough. She's heavy enough. And so you take her on a short walk every morning. And what happen?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, this has never happened before. We're walking along and I don't know how this happened, but her leash got wrapped around. She somehow got wrapped around my legs. The next thing I know, my feet are out from under me. I'm like, I'm going to fall. Like I'm in the air. And so I put my hand down, I hit my knee, and I ended up my head, my forehead on the pavement. Not cute sidewalk pavement.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you came home, and I had sympathy pains all over me.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. But the good news is our neighbor drove up at the exact time. Because I got up, and then all of a sudden, blood is running down my face and my eye, and I don't know if I've, like, you know, ripped it open. And luckily he had Kleenex in his car. So I'm holding the Kleenex, but I don't know how bad it is, and I don't know if I have a concussion, and I don't really know how badly I've hurt myself. And finally I said, I think I better get out of the street because I'm literally sitting in the street. So he gets me up, and then I walk home. And then you see me with blood.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, you were gushing. You were in bad shape. Yeah. No, you had a big hematoma on your. Like a big bump up here. Let's see it. I haven't seen it today.

[Lisa Rinna]

Better today. I covered it. It's much better today. I finally went to see the dermatologist just to check it, and she said, it's a hematoma that doesn't need to be drained. It could have needed to be drained.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wow.

[Lisa Rinna]

So anyway, lucked out there. Didn't have to go to the hospital. She looked at me and she was like, you could have broken your eye socket. You could have done so much worse.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but you put your hand out, too, to break the fall.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right? Put my hand out. Which. Look at it. It's already almost healed. Hand, knee, head. So I guess some of my Melrose Place stunt work came in.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, were you a stunt person on Melrose Place? I didn't know that you did your own stunts.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, I did.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Came in handy.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, anyway, you're healing up. You're a lot better today. When you take the dog for a walk now, you're not going to let her wrap the leash around your legs.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm taking a break right now. Yeah, I have a little bit of PTSD from that, so I'm not taking her for a walk right now.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. Could that attribute to your lack of sleep these last couple of days? Because you said you were feeling a little crunchy today.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm a little crunchy today. I think since Monday or Sunday, there's been something in the Atmosphere. So I think we're heading towards retrograde. Something's going on because atmospheric insomnia. Well, the. The planets. Something's lined up. Something. I'm very sensitive because I'm a cancer.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so like, some planet might be in retrograde or something like that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, for sure. Like, it's been a funky. It's been a little bit of a funky week.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, yeah, I didn't get much sleep last night either. And then I had to get up, like, at the crack of dawn to go down to the. The big convention center in Anaheim because we have our booth.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, tell the people.

[Harry Hamlin]

Harry's. Harry's famous. We had a booth at the. The natural food Expo, the Expo west, which is huge, by the way, at the Anaheim conventions. And it takes over, like, every possible space at the convention center.

[Lisa Rinna]

What a strange world that we know nothing about, that all of a sudden you're thrust.

[Harry Hamlin]

All of a sudden here I am in the world of natural food retail.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, what the.

[Harry Hamlin]

Taking my sauce.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like what.

[Harry Hamlin]

The sauce is plural there. And we had him out. And first we. We met with Kroger early in the morning, day before yesterday. And they gave us exactly seven minutes to.

[Lisa Rinna]

To do your pitch.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was like a cattle call, you know, when we were kids and getting into the acting world, you know, so there's all these people standing out in the hallway and they. They said, okay, group number three. We were group number three. You had to walk in, you had to. You had to give your pitch. You had five minutes to give the pitch, and then two minutes for them to ask questions. And it was crazy because you ran in there and they. I mean, you were out of there at six and a half minutes. You were out.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I have no idea how we did. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you get feedback?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, you don't get any feedback at all. I mean, either they call you up and say, we want you to be in the store or not. I mean, so it's a.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I remember I ran into Chrissy Teigen at an event, and she had asked me about your sauce and how it was doing. And she said, are they going to trade shows? And I said, I think they are ones coming up. And she was like, they have to go to trade shows.

[Harry Hamlin]

You gotta do it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, you have to, have to, have to do it.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we were late getting to the game. Cause we only started. We came out just before Christmas, so we only just got started. We're just learning about the whole trade show thing and all that. So we didn't actually even try to get into this trade show until New Year's Day. And so there were only like four slots left. So where we were was not the best spot in the place. But it was right near the entrance. And everybody had to walk by us when they came by our booth. And we had a great response. I mean, there was one guy yesterday who came in in the morning and he tried our sauce. And then he. He went all through the whole thing. He came back at 5pm and he said, oh, my God, I've tried so many sauces today, and yours is by far the best sauce. And then he just started screaming there. He said, everybody, don't try anything else. Just tra. This is the only sauce worth tasting in the whole place.

[Lisa Rinna]

You need to hire him.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know.

[Lisa Rinna]

Hire him. Put him on your payroll.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know. We need that guy with us wherever we go. So I think we're going to get a good reception. I mean, I think a lot of people came by. We talked to a few retailers, and that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to get investors and retailers at the same time.

[Lisa Rinna]

This is an interesting ride. And I think the people. The people, the people will be fascinating, fascinated to go on this journey. Because with you, it's new. It's like.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, this is definitely not new.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're like an actor and you're in the food business. Like, what?

[Harry Hamlin]

I know. But the good news is that my niece, Renee is awesome. I mean, as a manager, as an operator.

[Lisa Rinna]

She's on the cooking show with you.

[Harry Hamlin]

She's. She's on the cooking show with me.

[Lisa Rinna]

Just so that people know what we're talking about.

[Harry Hamlin]

In the Kitchen with Harry Hamlin on AMC Season 2. Season 2.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, did you ever think you were going to have a cooking show? Did you ever think you're going to be the food business?

[Harry Hamlin]

I never thought I was going thanks to your show and them coming to me and asking me to cook lunch for the girls one day. Had I not been.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because you're too cheap to throw a party.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, to hire a caterer, I thought, well, I'll cook it myself. Why not?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's what people don't know. They don't know that you have to throw your own parties on these. On Housewives.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

You throw your own party. Like you're paying for your will. You pay for all of your own.

[Harry Hamlin]

Shit on that shit, everything. You're paying for your wardrobe, you're paying for your makeup and hair, you're paying for your parties. Everything you do. I mean, they do give you a ride from once a time to time, don't they?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, they help out from time to time, but I wouldn't say that that really makes any difference whatsoever. That's why, you know, you get the people that have like stupid money to come on the show and have them throw the parties.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, a lot of those people have stupid money.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have stupid money.

[Harry Hamlin]

And so you have intelligent money. Right? Well, which is less money is that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm not sure I would call it intelligent money. I would sort of. Actually, I would really like to have stupid money. I just don't have it. But I wouldn't be opposed to like having. I actually wouldn't be opposed to even like having a sugar daddy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, rewind that, rewind that. So wait a minute. You're married to me, but you're not opposed to a sugar daddy? Well, I mean, that's like somebody who's going to come in and pay for everything but not require you to give services.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, you have to give services, I think. But I mean, I wouldn't mind like in another life. I don't think it's horrible if you just marry for money.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I think that goes on a long way.

[Lisa Rinna]

It doesn't really last. But I think the idea of it, like to have stupid money for a little while, I don't think it would be bad for me. I think it would actually be really good. Because here's what I'm working on. You know, I work very hard. We work hard at what we do, right?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's true. We have to.

[Lisa Rinna]

We have to. But I'm working on not trying to control it so much and trying to push so hard.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, the old square peg into the round hole routine, it's kind of.

[Lisa Rinna]

Just like, let go, let God, let the universe. Because I'm always like, well, you're a.

[Harry Hamlin]

Hustler, so yeah, you're going to do that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I am going to do it. But imagine I have these thoughts of like, what if I just for a minute had a huge sugar daddy or a husband who was like a billionaire? What would that be like? It'd be kind of fun for a minute.

[Harry Hamlin]

For a minute you'd go shopping and you have all this stuff and then you go, now I've got all this stuff, I need more stuff. And when you have so much, then the idea of more just is kind of a constant thing that's bugging you all, I need more. I need more. Yeah, I got a billion dollars. I need $2 billion. I'm a billionaire. I need to be a trillionaire.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, I mean, that's what's happened to all of our friends.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, I don' I want like a, a, a global or whatever they're called, you know, like a Global Express, whatever. These are bigger jet. A bigger jet, a bigger helicopter, a bigger car. No, so what we're doing, I, I know we're doing this because you're on the ride with me. We're kind of cutting back and cutting down and kind of, I mean, at this point.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I mean, it, it's, it. I think you have to at this.

[Harry Hamlin]

Point, because kids are gone, we've got this house and you know, are we going to downsize at some point? Are we going to stay there? I don' all questions we haven't even asked yet.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I do like the idea of moving to Paris. Oh, I do like that idea. I like that idea. For a while there, remember we were talking about, I think this was around the election, you could literally go on a cruise for four years.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's true. There was the four year cruise.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you just travel around for four years on a cruise. I kind of like that idea, but though I don't like boats that much.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you would be sick of boats, definitely after four years of being on the same boat, going from city to city, from town to town.

[Lisa Rinna]

Hey, how about there's somebody who literally just died on a boat. Like this couple, he's like a rock star and he somehow lost his wife on the boat. Like, how do you fall off?

[Harry Hamlin]

Maybe she found a sugar daddy.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, maybe. But how do you fall off a cruise ship? Or do you get pushed?

[Harry Hamlin]

I've heard of a cruise ship of people falling off of cruise ships.

[Lisa Rinna]

Somebody's rocker wife fell off a cruise ship and died, which is terrible.

[Harry Hamlin]

When you fall off a cruise ship, they never find you. Right?

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, it's, that's my question. Like, do they find the body? How do they know? Was she taking a selfie? Did somebody push her? You know, I don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

Sounds to me like it could be a 2020 or a, you know, one of those, one of those murder shows that you like to watch so much.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, there's a lot that happened all in one week.

[Harry Hamlin]

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[Lisa Rinna]

And I got sent to me a huge box from Slim Jim's.

[Harry Hamlin]

I saw this. I looked at it. You said last time when I came in, I was too tired to look at this box. There's a box outside. It's this huge box. And what's in it? Nothing but Slim Jims. Slim Jims.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because you brought it up on the show.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know.

[Lisa Rinna]

So bring up whatever you want to manifest here, honey, because I got this huge box of Slim Jims. Thank you, Slim Jim.

[Harry Hamlin]

What's one of your favorite brands? It's not food. Like, we talking, like Chanel, Cartier. She loves Cartier. Tiffany's. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, Baccarat.

[Harry Hamlin]

But now we got Slim Jims. We got Slim Jims forever.

[Lisa Rinna]

Huge box.

[Harry Hamlin]

Thank you, by the way, to the Slim Jim, folks.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thank you. Slim Jims.

[Harry Hamlin]

It'll keep my wife in Slim Jims for some time.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love a Slim Jim. It's like the perfect snack. It really is.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's perfect. I can't ever imagine you eating one.

[Harry Hamlin]

I. I've never eaten Slim.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's Another thing, our diets are pretty different.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, you had. You had Ding Dongs at the house and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I'm going to get a box of Ding Dongs. My favorite was always, I think, the cupcake. You know, my mom used me a hostess.

[Harry Hamlin]

The one with the little squiggle on the top.

[Lisa Rinna]

My mom, God love her, she made my lunches. I always had a package of Hostess. Either a Twinkie, Ding Dong, Snowball, Suzy Q. Actually, I think the Suzy Q is made.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did you have a little green Jell O thing in your lunch too?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, Jello was only reserved for the evening meal. My mom never served salad. Salad for me was jello.

[Harry Hamlin]

Was green jello.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, different colors. Red, orange, green with, like, bananas and mandarin oranges. That was my salad.

[Harry Hamlin]

Before dinner or after dinner?

[Lisa Rinna]

With dinner?

[Harry Hamlin]

With dinner.

[Lisa Rinna]

With dinner. So, you know, I'm of the TV dinner Salisbury steak era, you know. Do you have one of those little.

[Harry Hamlin]

Trays that you sat in front of the TV with? A little tray?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, yes, TV trays.

[Harry Hamlin]

Then the thing that came with the Salisbury steak and a little bit of mashed potato next to it.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I would only get those when they would go out. Like when they went out, I got a TV dinner.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I did that too.

[Lisa Rinna]

I used to like that apple pie that was in there in the TV dinner was.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was like the McDonald's apple pie.

[Lisa Rinna]

Kind of thing, kind of in the TV dinner.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, there used to be a. It was a company called Chicken Delight when I was a kid, and you could call them up and we didn't.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have that in Medford.

[Harry Hamlin]

But yeah, you get a little piece of chicken and some pie and stuff like that. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Anyway, my mom. God lover, I don't think I ever had lettuce until I was 18. I'm not kidding. Jell O salad. I thought that was salad.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yuck.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then for lunch, I would have my Hostess Twinkie, Ding Dong, Susie Q or Snowball. Do you know what the snowball is? I've asked you that before.

[Harry Hamlin]

I have no idea what a snowball is.

[Lisa Rinna]

Pink coconut marshmallow with the cupcake inside. Delish. So now we're gonna get a huge box of awesome everything from Hostess.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is all Hostess.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's Hostess. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. No, not in my food chain, guys.

[Lisa Rinna]

No. You're making food without preservatives, all natural, which is a very cool thing.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right. There's only seven ingredients in this, really only six. But we had to put a little water in it to make it not quite as Thick.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think that's pretty cool, especially coming from somebody who's so fucking processed. But my blood must just. If you tested it, it would say processed.

[Harry Hamlin]

Processed blood. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, seriously.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, here are the ingredients. The ingredients here are crushed tomatoes, red wine, tomato paste, water, honey, extra virgin olive oil, garlic, and organic rosemary, all of which you can buy at the store. Everybody. You can go to the store and get that, and I'll teach you how to cook it. You know, it's.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but it's easier to buy your sauce and just heat it up.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's true. It'd be easier, Quicker to just buy it at the store. But I. The recipe is right here on how to make it.

[Lisa Rinna]

And everybody's asked, so go get yourself a bottle, and then you can just make it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, there it is. Or you can make it at home.

[Lisa Rinna]

Where do you get it? On your website and on Amazon.

[Harry Hamlin]

You get it on Amazon and HarrySfamous.com. harrySfamous.com. That's right. And soon. You never know.

[Lisa Rinna]

In a store near you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Hopefully Whole Foods.

[Lisa Rinna]

What other stores do you like? Name them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Name them.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right here.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, look, do you like our one? We love Erwin Air.

[Lisa Rinna]

One would be great.

[Harry Hamlin]

Love Erewhon. Love Whole Foods. Like sprouts. All those. And then, hey, at some point, it's going to be Costco and Walmart and all those stores to Target. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Ching. Kaching. Kaching. Then maybe you'll be my billionaire husband, and then we can figure that out. Then you could be my sugar daddy. I'll just pretend you're my sugar daddy. How about that?

[Harry Hamlin]

I just have to get rich first, and then I can be your sugar daddy.

[Lisa Rinna]

Correct.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you'll give services.

[Lisa Rinna]

Sure.

[Harry Hamlin]

Services. Okay, sure. Okay. All right. I'm. I'm all for it. I'm gonna get really rich now.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let's role play. You get. You become a billionaire, and I will become your sugar baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

I love it. Okay, well, we're well on the way now. I mean, look, if Fusion Energy works, if this works, if you know, if this works, I mean, who knows? You never know. Could be billions and billions. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I like it.

[Harry Hamlin]

You'd like to be able to shop with impunity, would you?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's my goal. It's true. Yes. I'm that shallow.

[Harry Hamlin]

But we have to get a new house.

[Lisa Rinna]

I am. I'm that shallow. I would love to shop with impunity. I wonder what that would look like, though, if I could shop with impunity.

[Harry Hamlin]

We'D have to Get a new house. We'd have to get new closets. We have to get new closet space. We don't have anything left. Everything's full.

[Lisa Rinna]

I would have so much fucking fun. I really would. I would have so much fun.

[Harry Hamlin]

I can conceive of nothing in my life that I could do that would give me quite that much fun.

[Lisa Rinna]

Nothing.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm trying to think of what it is. I mean, do I have any aspirational things like that? And I don't really, you know, I mean, I like climbing mountains. That's fun for me. But I can't think of buying. There's not a thing I could buy that I would go, oh, boy, now I own that. Oh, boy, I'm better off, or whatever.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're a boy. I think boys just innately don't. They don't swing like that.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, that's true. When we had our retail stores, which was another thing, it was all women. I mean, and we tried to have some men's clothes for a second. Yeah, Nobody. And no man would.

[Lisa Rinna]

Nobody cares.

[Harry Hamlin]

We tried to have gifts. Nobody cared.

[Lisa Rinna]

No one cared.

[Harry Hamlin]

They just wanted.

[Lisa Rinna]

They just didn't care.

[Harry Hamlin]

And pants and jeans and stuff like that. Yeah. Anyway, so we're not. Maybe, you never know. We could restart that whole clothing thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. Listen. I think businesses are cyclical. I've decided and I've learned.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, a lot of them have their own timing, and they go, so what's now? For as long as they're supposed to, and then they can circle back around. So I think that there is something to say about another clothing thing.

[Harry Hamlin]

So another maybe Lisa Rinna collection. Maybe it's gonna come back to life, rise out of the ashes like a phoenix.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's something different. It wouldn't. I would rename it into something else, but I feel like that could happen. I do.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, it should happen because your style is so amazing. You love clothes. They would give you another excuse to shop. But also, your eye, your editorial eye is amazing when it comes to clothes. This I know. I mean, even though I'm not a clothes guy at all, what I am aware of is how amazing you are at editing clothing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thank you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And I think you're well, well, well known for that as well.

[Lisa Rinna]

I feel like it's coming around. I feel it, like, kind of knocking at the door. So rather than push it and make it happen, I'm allowing it. Okay, enough of that. I have some questions that I asked my Instagrammers to call in or mean DM me.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, that's Right, you have.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I only have five of them, but let's just read them and see. This is Ian from uk. Loved you for years, Lisa. And enjoying podcast question. Will you return to rhobh? The show needs you, Lisa. It's awful. Continued success and best with the podcast.

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course someone's gonna say that. Okay, well, you were. And look, in my estimation, you were a goat on that show, and you're not being on it. Look, a lot of people have come up to me and said, oh, the show just doesn't have that spark, that same Lisa Rinna thing going on anymore. So. And I know we have talked about this a lot, but you wouldn't go back, would you?

[Lisa Rinna]

No.

[Harry Hamlin]

No. Even if a Brinks trap, you know, rolled up to the back of the house?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I mean, if a billionaire sugar daddy came along and said, you have to do Housewives and I will pay you x amount of dollars, $25 million, I would say, okay, fine, sure.

[Harry Hamlin]

So it's all about the money for you. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

A lot of times. But it would have to be so much.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, well, look, I know, too. I was there. I was there during. I was with you the whole way. I know what it took out of you. I know what it gave you. I know what it took away. And knowing that I would not in any way endorse your going back to that show, even if the Brinks truck.

[Lisa Rinna]

And there you have it, people, right there. The burning question that you've wanted to always find out about is Harry Hamlin says no.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, he says no. Look, it took a lot out of you, out of me, out of. Out of everything. You know, didn't give you back as much as it took away. Put it that way. So it was. Yeah. You didn't come out with ahead, if you ask me. In some ways, you did, you know, in terms of your profile and all of that. But emotionally, it was a negative.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. There you go.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay. Anyway, there's that one. Okay. The next one. Okay. She's not telling us her name. I'm pregnant right now, so I would love to hear about your pregnancies and deliveries with the girls and maybe early years of parenting, the challenges, the beauty, et cetera. Love you and the podcast. This is a good question.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, what I remember about the pregnancy, the thing that stands out the most for me is the moment when you came home from Melrose Place with the Polaroids of your naked pregnancy and you decided to call up Hefner and you wanted to do Playboy. That was a big moment. It was like month six or something like that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Six and a half.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did you get morning sickness? Were you sick?

[Lisa Rinna]

I was the first three months. Yeah, you were.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't really remember that.

[Lisa Rinna]

But no throwing up. So a little morning sickness for the first three months, and then the minute you're like three months gone, okay, then you did Playboy.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I'm not sure if I recommend doing Playboy the way she did when he was pregnant.

[Lisa Rinna]

I would probably not do pregnant Playboy, but I did it.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, no one has ever done that before or seen it, by the way.

[Lisa Rinna]

But the Polaroids came because Hefner wanted to see what I look like pregnant. So we had to take Polaroids because there was no cell phone at that point. There was no nothing. So we went into my trailer that had this really nice paneling, wood paneling.

[Harry Hamlin]

On the 70s walls.

[Lisa Rinna]

And so it made the lighting look really good. So when my publicist had called and said, you know, what about Lisa doing Playboy pregnant? Hefner said, well, I need to see what she looks like pregnant. And so we went in my dressing room and I told. I think I told this story, but I don't remember. I can't remember what we talked about on this.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think you did, by the way. You did. So anyway. Which is a little bit redundant.

[Lisa Rinna]

But.

[Harry Hamlin]

But so. But the question is about your pregnancy and that. We've already talked about it a little bit on this show. But as far as the deliveries go, we talked about the fact that I.

[Lisa Rinna]

Delivered the babies, and the deliveries were fine, except for Delilah's was 24 hours long. I tried to do it naturally. I went for 15 and a half hours. And then my girlfriend got me on the phone and she said, you will not win an award. You do not get anything for doing this. Take the drugs. Take the drugs.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know, I know.

[Lisa Rinna]

So take the drugs.

[Harry Hamlin]

Take the drugs.

[Lisa Rinna]

Take the drugs. And you know what? I was going through the photo albums the other day. There's a photo, I think you remember it, Delilah's head coming out of my vagina.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know. We have pictures of that. We have pictures of her coming out of your body.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's crazy. Her head is just outside of my vagina. And we have a picture of it. It's so wild. Like, I don't know if she's seen it, but it's a really cool shot.

[Harry Hamlin]

But it's when she becomes really, really famous. You know, they always want. They want a picture of you in your childhood, you know, just.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, right out of my vj, My vajayjay. Your head is popping up.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't think we're gonna give that one out.

[Lisa Rinna]

You can't really show it, but it's one of the coolest shots ever.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's a pretty amazing. I remember we had the doula there, and she was taking pictures. Black and white. Is it not that picture.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's black. It's like sepia or sepia.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

My vagina is sepia. It's a sepia vagina.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, anyway, so that's. So, you know, just to reiterate, I delivered both of the kids. This is for your answer for our girl that's asking. But let's talk about what happened afterwards. Let's talk about the postpartum, because that's something you need to know about.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Okay. So nobody really tells you about postpartum. They don't?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, they don't.

[Lisa Rinna]

You really don't know. You've heard about it a little bit, but until it hits you fully, you have no idea. So make sure that you talk to your doctor about, what do I do if I start to feel blue? What do I do if I start to feel freaky? Because for me, it was rough.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I know you said at one point, you said, harry, this is with Delilah. Put all the knives away because, you know, you thought you might.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I had these visions. You go kind of insane. I did.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think kind of.

[Lisa Rinna]

You go a bit insane.

[Harry Hamlin]

I've had relatives who are institutionalized.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know they were in the 60s because they didn't know what to do with them. So they put them in an institution.

[Harry Hamlin]

They put them in the loony bin. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I was having two visions. Knives for anybody. My visions were not about hurting the baby. My visions were about hurting myself.

[Harry Hamlin]

You or me.

[Lisa Rinna]

Anybody I know. So the two visions were stabbing with knives or even just. I needed to get the knives out of the house.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know you didn't want them to be seen because we had knives on the counter.

[Lisa Rinna]

I needed them out.

[Harry Hamlin]

You wanted them in the drawers. You wouldn't want to see them because you thought maybe you'd be inspired to kill them.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I don't know. I thought I would be insane. And then I had visions of driving into a brick wall just.

[Harry Hamlin]

Just driving yourself into a brick wall.

[Lisa Rinna]

Into a brick wall to end it all. I don't know those things.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't remember this part. Really.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, yeah. And I think if I'm not mistaken, Brooke Shields, who came out about her postpartum and spoke of it. I believe she said something to the same Effect that she had visions of driving into a brick wall. I have to look that up. But I think she's right. So there's this tweak that goes on. So I remember I didn't really catch it for 15 months with Delilah. You guys just all thought I had lost my mind. And, you know, thank God my mom was here and you were here, because nobody knew what was happening to me.

[Harry Hamlin]

Nor did you, nor did I.

[Lisa Rinna]

So the second time around, when we had Amelia, I was like, okay, I'm not going through this again. I'm gonna call Howie. Howie Mandel.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I remember we were going to the movies one night, and we were standing outside the movie theater, and you were like, six weeks in, you were about to lose it on me, and I said, wait a minute.

[Lisa Rinna]

Call Howie.

[Harry Hamlin]

Do you have Howie's number on your phone?

[Lisa Rinna]

I called him. We were in Canada, and he was like, okay, gotta put you on antidepressant right away. And he had FedEx. He FedExed it to me and he said, it's gonna take, like, three weeks to work. And I thought, I don't. I fucking don't have three weeks.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, yeah, you were messed up. And then Tom Cruise came out not long after that saying, you can't take those drugs for postpartum or something. Wasn't he, like, way against it?

[Lisa Rinna]

I said, you can't take them in general.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Anyway, they saved me and my life, too.

[Lisa Rinna]

They saved me. And I am totally pro. Antidepressant, let me tell you. Because luckily, I didn't have to stay on it that long. It reset my. I always said it reset my clock. It's like I was on it for about three, four months, and then I just thought.

[Harry Hamlin]

Do you remember what it was called?

[Lisa Rinna]

Seraphine.

[Harry Hamlin]

Seraphin.

[Lisa Rinna]

Seraphin. It was like a female version of Prozac, whatever that fucking means.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait, why would there be a female version of Prozac?

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't fucking know. Seraphin, it was called with an s. It saved my life. It absolutely saved my life.

[Harry Hamlin]

And Lexapro is something that a lot of the people are using today, and maybe some of the cast members on your show.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God.

[Harry Hamlin]

Everybody except for you took an antidepressant during that time.

[Lisa Rinna]

During the show.

[Harry Hamlin]

During the show.

[Lisa Rinna]

A lot of people. Yeah, but you just. I'm not going to name them. You just kind of called everybody out. But that's all right.

[Harry Hamlin]

I just, you know, I. I didn't name any names, but, you know, it's. It's almost impossible to do that show.

[Lisa Rinna]

I should have been on an antidepressant while I was doing that show. Looking back, I should have been. Well, yeah, shoulda, woulda, coulda, but.

[Harry Hamlin]

But you actually got through it really well. You know, you. You always said, oh, this is tough. This is hard. But you got through it really well.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, I was all right. Yeah, I was all right. I was all right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we just talked about your pregnancy. We talked about delivering the babies, and we talked about the postpartum.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let's talk about this one story about raising the kids when they were little. I thought of this the other day. This is funny. Do you remember when Amelia was going through the phase where she was spitting? You know how kids bite?

[Harry Hamlin]

She was spitting. Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

She had a spitting phase.

[Harry Hamlin]

Was this sort of an OCD spitting? No.

[Lisa Rinna]

Cause she was only like, two or three. Okay, so she was just spitting.

[Harry Hamlin]

She was spitting people, like in her school, nursery school, spitting at the kids.

[Lisa Rinna]

And so I remember we were in the kitchen one day. Remember we had that drawer that they would pull out?

[Harry Hamlin]

We had the toy drawer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, toy drawer. And they would sit on the floor and they would pull it out, and we had, like, little toy pots and pans and things in it. So she's there playing, and then all of a sudden, she gets up and she starts spitting at me. I lost it. And I was like, amelia, girls don't spit. Boys spit. And if you keep spitting, you're gonna grow a penis.

[Harry Hamlin]

What?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's what came out of my mouth. If you keep spitting, you're gonna grow a penis.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did she know what a penis was?

[Lisa Rinna]

She looks at me like this. She was probably three. She goes. She looks at me like that, and she never spit again.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really? She was.

[Lisa Rinna]

She never shed again.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, she didn't have penis envy then. She. That's.

[Lisa Rinna]

She just never spit. She didn't want to be a boy. That worked really well. I remember.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I don't remember that moment, but I just remember her.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, my parenting skills were very superior.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, but look, we did something right. Look what they're doing now. So I. We can't complain. Our kids are on fire. They're doing amazing stuff. So you did something right, darling, in spite of the spitting or whatever it was.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, that was a funny moment. I remember catching myself going, you just told her she would grow penis if she kept spitting. And it worked like a charm. So feel free to take that. It worked. Okay, next one.

[Harry Hamlin]

Now what?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, this one's just kind of like, hi, Lisa. I think you're great and fabulous. I'm Gianluca from Germany, but you can call me Jean or Lucas. That's cute. My question for the podcast would be, how do you stay so fit and healthy? And what sweets does Harry eat the most? What sweets do you eat the most, Harry?

[Harry Hamlin]

The only sweet that I eat is once in a while. I'll have raisin oatmeal cookie after dinner.

[Lisa Rinna]

Just once in a while.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I have two cookies after dinner.

[Lisa Rinna]

Just once in a while.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, well, I have two cookies after dinner. I give myself that treat.

[Lisa Rinna]

I treat myself that just once in a while. But let's talk about it. Because you give me shit for getting my oatmeal cookies at Erewhon because you say they're too expensive.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, So I get 12 cookies at Kroger or Ralph's for $3.99, you get one cookie at Erewhon for $5.99, and I get 12 for 3.99.

[Lisa Rinna]

As much as you enjoy yours, but you have made me feel like. Like I can't buy them. But I still do because I don't care. I literally go, he's going to go, why are you buying those cookies? And I go, because I like them. And I put them in my cart.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, and so am I. Have. When have I complained about your cookies?

[Lisa Rinna]

Other than saying, every time I buy them and you look at me, you go, that cookie, I get 12 for 3.99 and you get one for 5.95. That's what you say.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, and.

[Lisa Rinna]

And mine is worth every bite, really.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so. Okay, so this is the dynamic here, okay? The cookie wars, right? Are we having cookie wars now?

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, well, not really, but that's sort of yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

So to answer his question, John's question.

[Lisa Rinna]

Is John or Lucas. You can call him either.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, the sweet thing, because I have hypoglycemia. Another fun fact. I can't really eat sugar.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. Only after a meal.

[Harry Hamlin]

I only have a little bit of sugar after I eat protein after a meal. Which is why I have the cookies after food.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. And that's all the sweets you eat.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's true.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's it.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's it. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

How do I keep fit and stay fit? What would you say? I don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because you work out in some way every day.

[Lisa Rinna]

Consistency. Yeah, consistency.

[Harry Hamlin]

What's your favorite workout these days?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yoga.

[Harry Hamlin]

Still? Because I haven't seen you go to yoga the last few weeks.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I've been sick. I haven't done Anything.

[Harry Hamlin]

You've had a little bit of an issue, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

I've been sick, I've had issues. I'm coming off of the fricking.

[Harry Hamlin]

So yoga. Yoga keeps you very fit though, I think.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yoga.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And so good for your head too, the workouts.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Because you use your body weight, right? You use your own body. I think it's the hardest class. Here's another thing, guys. If you want to see if your class is doing the thing, like, look at the people in the class and look at their bodies and that will show you, like whether the class is.

[Harry Hamlin]

A good class or not, I think. Well, yeah, I think. How about the fact that whenever I used to go. Because you used to spin a lot, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I would go, sometimes I would pick you up at spinning. This is years and years ago.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, we've done every. I've done every workout known to man, by the way.

[Harry Hamlin]

And spinning was a big one for a while.

[Lisa Rinna]

Big, big, big.

[Harry Hamlin]

But I would go in there and I would see these really hefty people on the bikes. I mean, big people. And. And yet they were like sweating and they were going like that, but they were huge. And it occurred to me that they were burning so many calories during that hour long session that as soon as they got out, they needed a cheeseburger, you know?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, maybe, but that's being very judgmental, Harry. You are being very judgmental of an exercise class.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, they were big. Holy shit, the bike.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're rough. You are.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was an observation. I saw that the.

[Lisa Rinna]

Just don't name names, for God's sakes. People are going to come kill you.

[Harry Hamlin]

I named no names.

[Lisa Rinna]

Jesus.

[Harry Hamlin]

But I did notice the demographically that the people in the spin classes were quite large. They weren't like you. The people in yoga classes are usually very thin.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's why I always say, look at the people in the class. And that can tell you whether you. That's because that's what you're going to look like if you stay in that class.

[Harry Hamlin]

And the same thing goes with a trainer. I remember when I was doing that show Movie Stars, I hired a trainer to get me buff because I was playing this movie star. And I hired a guy who was like 5 foot 8 and he was like a fire plug with big arms and big legs.

[Lisa Rinna]

I remember him.

[Harry Hamlin]

Big neck like that. And. And it didn't occur to me that's what you're gonna look like exactly like that. So after six weeks of working with this guy, I had a big neck. I couldn't fit in any of my clothes. I was like a fire plug.

[Lisa Rinna]

I hate that.

[Harry Hamlin]

So when you hire a trainer, take a look at him, because that's what you're gonna look like.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. I think it's finding the balance. Because if I work out too hard that I'm starving and all I want to do is eat.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's the thing about the spin class. That's what I was saying. You work out too hard.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just said it a lot better than you said it. I did.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yes, you did.

[Lisa Rinna]

I said it a lot better than you said.

[Harry Hamlin]

I will give you that.

[Lisa Rinna]

So there's that another thing I was going to say about working out. I. It's. What did I. Oh, you're. Yeah, I lost it.

[Harry Hamlin]

You lost it? An age related thing? No, just curious, you know.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, let me think. We're talking about that. We're talking about working yoga.

[Harry Hamlin]

We're talking about.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I know what I was gonna say. So recently, because I'm having some bone density issues.

[Harry Hamlin]

Another age related thing. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, osteoporosis.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Which I'm not happy about. But that's the truth, you know, you gotta go get your bone density checked. And Got my bone density checked. And I was in peri. Periosteopro.

[Harry Hamlin]

You mean something like that?

[Lisa Rinna]

Periosteoprosis. But now I'm in full osteoporosis.

[Harry Hamlin]

So when you fell over the other.

[Lisa Rinna]

Day, I could have broken something. It wouldn't have been good. I have to be careful because now I have to go on one of those drugs that helps build my bone up.

[Harry Hamlin]

Huh. And didn't you say the insurance company's not paying for those drugs?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yeah, there was a drug called Avenity that they wanted me to take. And then the insurance company was like, no, we're not gonna okay that for you. It's taken like six months to get this figured out.

[Harry Hamlin]

And are they gonna let. They're gonna pay for something.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, now they're gonna pay for something where I have to shoot myself up every day.

[Harry Hamlin]

Every day?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

What?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like with a needle?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like in my stomach for 18 months to 24 months to build my bone mass.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really? And you're gonna do it?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, you have to. They want you to.

[Harry Hamlin]

When do you start?

[Lisa Rinna]

I start like next week. So anyway, that's been a whole.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you're gonna. Does it build your bones up so you're like.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it builds your. It doesn't build your muscle up. It builds your bones up. But in the meantime, I'd gone. My doctor said, you need to start lifting heavy weights. Because I don't lift heavy weights. I do lightweights. She's like, you really should lift heavy. Heavy, like heavy weights. I mean, like machines and things.

[Harry Hamlin]

So like 30, 40 pound weights, stuff like that, really.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I go to this trainer that specializes in that, building bone density. But I'm lifting, like, heavy weights. Right.

[Harry Hamlin]

When did you do this?

[Lisa Rinna]

I did it for three months, twice a week. You? I mostly. You were in.

[Harry Hamlin]

When I was working, when I was Maryland, I was shooting the show, so. And so you were like, here, let.

[Lisa Rinna]

Me tell you the story. So I did it for three months. But what I have to say is lifting heavy weights does not go with couture. Oh, it does not go with couture. And so my vanity came in and said, nope, I rather break a bone than.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you were getting a big neck and you were getting big muscles. Yeah, okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thick.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's what happened to me when I was doing movie stars. I couldn't even get into my clothes.

[Lisa Rinna]

I hated it. I probably had strong bones. But it doesn't work for couture, Henny. So I stopped that shit. Stop that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so now you've brittle bones, but looking really cute.

[Lisa Rinna]

Look real lean and trim. Okay, so that's that story. And then I'll shoot myself up with some drug that will build my bones for 18 to 24 months. And then. And then I don't know, I probably have to stay on something. I don't know. It's a whole thing. It's like. Nobody tells you about this. I remember my mom taking something for osteoporosis. Cause it's hereditary, clearly.

[Harry Hamlin]

But isn't it something that women, just, like all women, get at a certain.

[Lisa Rinna]

Point at certain times? I'm a bit young to get it at this point. Usually you get it a little bit older. So that's why they're doing this bone building. Instead of just stopping it to where it is, they give you something that builds your bone back up.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think I read something about how if you take calcium supplements or you drink a lot of milk, that it actually works opposite against it. Right. Because your body then thinks. Thinks it's getting plenty of whatever it is.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know. We're not doctors. So please, please make sure you talk to your doctor before you listen to anything that we have to say more about it. We just have to make sure that we don't lead anybody down the wrong path. So even though we talk about this stuff, make sure you talk to your own doctors before you do any of the crazy shit that we do. How about that?

[Harry Hamlin]

That works. That's a disclaimer.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's a disclaimer. That's called a disclaimer because we're not experts. We're just actors that like to think we are.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I've never even played a doctor.

[Lisa Rinna]

I haven't either.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, I did, actually, on Shameless.

[Lisa Rinna]

You did?

[Harry Hamlin]

One time.

[Lisa Rinna]

You were a doctor? You're a plastic surgeon?

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess so. I forget what kind of a doctor I was, but I was working with. With. Yeah, the same people who did er, Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

John.

[Harry Hamlin]

With John Wells. And I remember you were a doctor. Yeah. And I had to say some of that gobbledygo Dr. Y stuff. And after I did it, I went up to John on the set and I said, john, I have so much respect for George Clooney and all the people you worked with on er. They had to memorize this stuff. I mean, it's almost impossible to say that stuff. You know, to memorize it, I would.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have to write it on my hand.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're not allowed to have any notes on his sets.

[Lisa Rinna]

You aren't?

[Harry Hamlin]

No. You can't have little. They have little things called sides on movie sets.

[Lisa Rinna]

You can't have them.

[Harry Hamlin]

No.

[Lisa Rinna]

I hide my sides, like, in drawers and under paper and shit.

[Harry Hamlin]

If you're caught with sides on any of his sets, you're fired.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I don't think I'll be working for John anytime soon. I have to have it nearby.

[Harry Hamlin]

No Emmy Rossum on the way. My very first day, we were driving from the base camp over to the set, and I had. I. I didn't have any sides because there weren't any sides in the dressing room. And I said, why aren't there any sides? Why aren't there any sides in the dressing room? And they said, oh, my God, no, you can't have any sides.

[Lisa Rinna]

Sides are your script for the day. So you have, like, a little small.

[Harry Hamlin]

Script that you can see your lines in case you forget your lines. And you're. Mostly. Everybody walks around with the sides.

[Lisa Rinna]

I have to have mine close by, otherwise I won't be able to say my lines.

[Harry Hamlin]

You'd be fired in a second. If you were on John Wells's show.

[Lisa Rinna]

I would figure it out.

[Harry Hamlin]

Another question?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Oh, this is a cute one. This is for you. Hi, my name is Claire from Buffalo.

[Harry Hamlin]

Hi, Claire from Buffalo.

[Lisa Rinna]

My question for the podcast is, what did Harry Hamlin enjoy the most about his time in Mad Men? He's Brilliant in it. Thanks. Love to you and your family.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, what a nice thing to say. That's so great. And by the way, my family's from Buffalo. There's Hamlin Park. There's a whole bunch of Hamlin stuff. Detritus all over Buffalo. Because my family was really big, like, turn of the century, the 20th century. They were a huge family in Buffalo.

[Lisa Rinna]

Judges and things, right?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Lots of money.

[Harry Hamlin]

Lots of money.

[Lisa Rinna]

Lots of money.

[Harry Hamlin]

The Buffalo Museum of Natural Science was funded, built, designed and built by my grandfather. So if you've ever been to the Buffalo Museum of Natural Science, that's from my family. But anyway, so what on Mad Men would you like?

[Lisa Rinna]

What was the question? The question is, what did you enjoy the most about your time on Mad Men?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean. I mean, look, they let me create this character, Jim Cutler, that was not on the page.

[Lisa Rinna]

So good.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, and I. I went.

[Lisa Rinna]

You were so good as Jim Cutler.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, thank you very much. I went to the. To the executive producer, Matt Weiner one day, and I said, this is before we started shooting. And I said, hey, Matt, who is Jim Cutler? I mean, what. Give me some background on this guy. And he said, well, the only thing I can tell you is that he is continental. And then he walked away.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. I remember you saying.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I was like, what the fuck does that mean? What is. Who is somebody who's continental? So I go to the dictionary and I look up continental as an adjective. It means of or about a continent. Okay, okay, so that's something. So continental. I'm a continent. There's no such thing as, like, a person who happens to be continental. There's no, like.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, but it definitely. That evokes.

[Harry Hamlin]

It evokes something. But what does it evoke?

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know, but it evokes something. It does.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that was the only thing I got from him was. So was I Continental as Jim Cutler? Oh, there you go. So I achieved what I needed to achieve to be Continental, which, you know, ask me what the fuck that means. I have no idea.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but you did it. That's all that matters.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, the writing was great on that show. And my most fun day ever was the day I dressed down Jon Hamm and called him a football player in a suit. Yeah, that was fun. Fun, Yeah. I had a great time doing that. And nominated for an Emmy, too.

[Lisa Rinna]

Great show. And you were so good.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, thank you.

[Lisa Rinna]

But have been really fun to do that show.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was. It was a blast.

[Lisa Rinna]

And we still see some of the Cast out and about. We saw Christina Hendrix the other night. The other night. Who's so lovely.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And we'll run into Jon Hamm from time to time. Everybody was really nice on that show.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, it was a great show. And I'll never forget that somehow my body type didn't fit any of the clothing that they had from 19, the 60s, because everything had to be from the 60s. They had no new clothing. Nothing new.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh. So it was literally from the 60s.

[Harry Hamlin]

Everything had to be from the 60s. So they could never make my shirts fit because either my arms were too short or too long or whatever. So they had to make some shirts for me. And I'll never forget that Janie Bryant, who was amazing, genius costumer, who was also the wardrobe person on Mayfair Witches for season one. But I went to Janie and she said, listen, we're gonna have to build some shirts for you, but we have to find a bolt of cotton that's old, built in the 60s before we can build the shirts. Because they wouldn't use a new bolt of cotton. It had to be a bolt of cotton that was manufactured. I know. I mean, they were so specific about everything on that show.

[Lisa Rinna]

You had to say every word correctly on the page.

[Harry Hamlin]

Everything had to be absolutely exactly the way it was in the page. Yeah. They were sticklers for that.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's hard.

[Harry Hamlin]

But the writing was fantastic, so why not, you know?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, I like to improvise sometimes on the set, and every once in a while you get on a show where you can improvise a little bit. But not at all on Mad Men. No.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, like, for the soap opera, for me, if I didn't improvise, I would have never gotten all my lines out.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

Ever? Never?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you had to memorize 40 pages of dialogue. I remember one night you came home, you said, harry, feed me quick. I've got to memorize 40 pages of dialogue. Because you were carrying the show at one point and you were.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I just was. I was. What do they call it? A front burner storyline. Front burner.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, you were the front burner.

[Lisa Rinna]

Front burner storyline. So then you have so much. And I'll never forget, you know, when you're working with the more seasoned actors who've been there for, like, 20, 30, 40 years, they have cue cards, right? They have cue cards now. I could never. I never could work with a cue card. Like, I'm not trained that way. But to work with an actor who is literally looking here, they're talking to you like this While you then have to look at them and talk to them.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's like Saturday Night Live. They use cue cards on Saturday Night Live. You can always see them looking over the shoulder, looking at the cue card, right? And then how about like, Brando, who always had a thing in his ear and they fed him the lines because he didn't want to memorize. He couldn't or didn't want to memorize his lines?

[Lisa Rinna]

Folklore. Who knows what it was. But everybody listen. Everyone has their way. But I'll never forget working with the actors that were looking at the cue cards and me just going. Cause I was like, so young at the time and just trying to figure it out and just be like, okay, they're not looking at me and I gotta talk to them now. And I'm just gonna do it. I'm just gonna do it. And then there'd be times where we would work. Like, we'd get there at six in the morning and you'd still be there at like 11 at night. I couldn't remember anything. And just. I was like, guys, you just are gonna have to take whatever comes out of my mouth at this point. I can't even remember it, really. Oh, yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you. Whatever came out would be what it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Was if it was close. Because on a soap, you basically say the same thing over and over and over. Just regurgitated for a year.

[Harry Hamlin]

What sort of emotional thing that you say?

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, whatever your story is and whatever's going on, you just say it 45,000 times because it's. People are tuning in every day. And some people might have missed Monday, so they need to.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you have to kind of redo it every time.

[Lisa Rinna]

Kind of have to react, state what's happening every day all the time. So you're basically saying the same thing for a year.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you're doing exposition every day, the same exposition over and over again.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I was finally like, listen, if it gets this close, can you take it? And they were like, yeah, we'll take it. So I improvised a lot on Days of Our Lives because I couldn't fucking remember my lines at that point.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you had a lot of lumber. You come home. You get home at 6pm and you say, I've just got pages.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, you have a cry in the bathtub.

[Harry Hamlin]

I would make spaghetti agliola pepperoncino for you, maybe. I would give you a glass of wine. You'd take a bath. You'd come downstairs and you'd say, excuse me, you won't see me for the rest of the Night. I've got to memorize 40 pages of dialogue.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I did that for three years.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, well.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that's all I remember. It's kind of a blur. I really don't remember that.

[Harry Hamlin]

So was LA Law was a blur for me. Five years of my life. Just. You could have snipped it out with.

[Lisa Rinna]

Scissors, you know, Truly, you have to focus so much.

[Harry Hamlin]

Fine. Well, we work, you know, in LA Law, even though it was an ensemble, we were. We worked until 3am on Saturday morning every week. Every Friday night because you had Fridays, you know, because the. The unions would allow you to work longer on Friday night because you didn't. You had a day off on Sunday. You could still come in on Monday morning early at 6am if you worked until 3am on Saturday morning. Somehow. I don't know. It was crazy. So that was, you know, five years of like. I don't remember a thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yep. I don't remember. I remember little bits of it. That's it. I remember my dressing room down in the dungeon. It's like down in the basement.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember going to that dressing room the day that Max was run over and I had to go down there and tell you your dog had been killed.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, that was great.

[Harry Hamlin]

But it did bring us together.

[Lisa Rinna]

It did.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, ever since that day, we've been together.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. Thank you, Max.

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess so. Yeah. Thanks, Max. Hey, everybody, thanks for tuning in one more time to let's not talk about the Husband. Even though you did talk about me.

[Lisa Rinna]

They keep talking about you also, by the way.

[Harry Hamlin]

See you next time.

[Lisa Rinna]

Woo. Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[Harry Hamlin]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. And if you liked what you heard.

[Harry Hamlin]

Consider leaving us a rating or review. And make sure to tell all your friends too. I mean, like everyone you know and their mother.

[Lisa Rinna]

If you have a question for us or you need advice, God help you. Leave a voicemail using the link in our show notes. We might just answer your question in a future episode. Now you can find us on social media, LisaRina on Instagram, and then I'm LisaRinaOfficial on TikTok.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm HarryRhamlin on Instagram.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So see you next week. Until.

[Lisa Rinna]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.