Clash of the Titans! Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin vs ChatGPT

Summary

Let’s Not Talk About The Husband
Episode: Clash of the Titans! Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin vs ChatGPT
Date: November 7, 2025
Hosts: Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin

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Episode Overview

This lively episode features Hollywood power couple Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin taking on ChatGPT in a hilarious, self-deprecating “roast.” Spurred on by fellow podcasters and friends, they delve into playful AI-generated zingers about themselves, discuss their cult followings, reflect on celebrity encounters (including a legendary Friars Club roast with Billy Crystal and Donald Trump), reminisce about iconic TV roles, and muse about the petty things they’d do if invisible. Through it all, Lisa’s bold humor and Harry’s philosophical side create both lighthearted laughs and moments of genuine reflection.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Predictable, Unpredictable Hollywood Roast

• Lisa proposes getting "roasted" by ChatGPT after inspiration from friends Erica and Teddy, hosts of another podcast (00:34).
• Lisa and Harry switch up the usual formula: he reads her roast, and she reads his, setting the stage for some truly personal zingers (01:04).
• Harry shares memories of a “real” roast (Billy Crystal’s Friars Club, 1991), sitting next to a young Donald Trump who obsessed over Harry’s love life with Ursula Andress (01:06–03:32).
• The couple muse about how AI might roast them: Harry expects Lisa’s lips to be a target, Lisa jokes about Harry’s “Sexiest Man Alive” status (05:03–05:41).

2. Chaotic AI Interview Questions

• The producer introduces “chaotic” ChatGPT questions before launching into the roast itself (05:54).
• Which one is more likely to start a cult?
  • Harry votes Lisa, imagining a “fashion cult” or “cult of wigs.”
    • Harry: "You'd be called the wig party. Wig cult. Cult of wigs. The wig cult. Yeah." (06:30)
  • Lisa claims a following already, joking about Cameo fans forming a “Cameo cult.”
    • Lisa: "I think I have a lot of cult followers now...the cult of Lisa Rinna." (07:20–07:31)
• What petty thing would you do if invisible for 48 hours?
  • Lisa gleefully says she'd mess with ex-Housewives and enemies, pulling pranks and causing confusion.
    • Lisa: “Picture...like some things I could do to, like, fuck with some people that fucked with me. But I'm invisible.” (10:56)
  • Harry reminisces about terrifying family with invisible "ghost" pranks, and both fantasize about tormenting nemeses and even Donald Trump (11:10–12:43).
• What's a "hill you'll irrationally die on"?
  • Lisa expresses delight over Governor Gavin Newsom’s social media “pettiness.”
    • Lisa: "I'm gonna mention it. Gavin Newsom and his social media team is on fire...they are torturing." (13:53–14:12)
  • Harry reflects on the importance of being on the “right side of history,” referencing WWII and the dangers of repeating the past (15:09–17:25).

3. Reflections on History, Human Nature, and Retribution

• The tone deepens as the hosts discuss how history repeats itself, referencing the dangers of unchecked power.
  • Harry: "Well, because human beings are greedy...if someone is not self reflective and hasn't thought about what it means to be alive at this time..." (16:01–17:25)
• Lisa and Harry warn about being “frogs in boiling water” in politically fraught times.
  • Harry: “Well, we were like frogs in very slowly boiling water, and we've gotten to the point where the water's starting to boil...” (19:14)

4. Lisa On Her Iconic Persona

• Lisa shares how old Housewives catchphrases and memes now fuel lucrative endorsements—turning past drama into profit (20:26–21:55).
  • Lisa: “The things I'm doing now...the endorsements I'm getting...is a flip on its head of my memes and things that I said on Housewives. We're using those things...as a selling point.” (20:26–21:36)

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The Main Event: AI Roasts Lisa & Harry

Lisa Rinna’s Roast (Read by Harry) - [22:41–24:11]

• “Lisa Rinna is proof that hustle never sleeps. And neither does she. Probably because she's too busy reposting memes about herself at 3am... If stirring the pot were a profession, she'd have a corner office and a 401k. Lisa's energy is like if Red Bull and a ring light had a baby.”
• "Love her or fear her? Lisa Rinna is a force, a brand, and possibly a one woman hurricane in heels."
• Lisa gleefully claims the “hurricane in heels” title, admitting she enjoys being feared after a lifetime of people-pleasing (24:16–25:32).
  • Lisa: “You know what's kind of sick? I like pissing people off and upsetting people.” (24:31)

Harry Hamlin’s Roast (Read by Lisa) - [27:36–28:42]

• “Harry, you're like if a leather armchair grew a jawline and started quoting Shakespeare. Somehow you've managed to be both ruggedly mysterious and the exact guy your mom wants you to marry... Your IMDb page is like a historical document. Your hobbies include mountaineering, gourmet cooking, and reminding people that, yes, you were in Clash of the Titans... You've aged like fine wine. The kind that makes people say, 'wait, how old is he?'”
• Harry wryly approves, taking comfort that his roast is “mellow” and calling out the Shakespeare references, tying back to his real passion (28:53–29:07).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being roasts themselves:
  • Lisa: “Isn't a roast about making fun of your iconicness? It is, basically.” (05:03)
  • Harry: “Lisa's energy is like if Red Bull and a ring light had a baby.” (23:38)
• On embracing cult-like fandom:
  • Lisa: “I think I could also...I am a cult right now anyway, without being a cult.” (07:22)
• On palate cleansers after heavy topics:
  • Lisa: “Jesus, got so heavy all of a sudden. I need a cigarette after that.” (19:27)
• On turning memes into money:
  • Lisa: “Now I can make money...I'm making money off of my mouth and off of myself.” (21:36–21:41)
• On Shakespeare, meaning, and perspective:
  • Harry: “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” (29:34)
  • Harry: “There are more things, Horatio, in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” (31:21)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |--------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 00:34–01:04 | Deciding to do the ChatGPT roast; swapping roasts | | 01:06–03:32 | Harry’s story: Friars Club roast & meeting Trump | | 05:54–08:02 | “Chaotic" ChatGPT cult/fan questions & Cameo cult | | 10:12–12:43 | “Petty” invisible pranks & Housewives shenanigans | | 13:53–14:12 | Lisa fangirls over Gavin Newsom’s social media drama | | 15:09–17:25 | History repeating itself, choosing sides | | 22:41–24:11 | Lisa’s ChatGPT roast read by Harry | | 27:36–28:42 | Harry’s ChatGPT roast read by Lisa | | 29:13–33:06 | Harry shares his favorite Shakespeare quotes |

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Tone & Style

Lisa and Harry maintain their trademark banter—Lisa’s wild, self-aware bravado, and Harry’s measured, intellectual musings—creating an engaging blend of humor, showbiz nostalgia, and real talk about society and their own identities. The playful spirit carries through even as they touch on darker topics, always returning to laughter and warmth.

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Summary Verdict

This episode is a riotous, self-skewering look at fame, fandom, and the peculiar joys of being “roasted”—by both AI and each other. With behind-the-scenes stories, saucy revelations, and even a dose of Hamlet, it’s a uniquely entertaining listen with both substance and sass.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[B]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[A]

And this is let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[B]

We've been together for over 30 years, and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[A]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[B]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of let's not Talk about the Husband, which is I.

[A]

That's right. Hello.

[B]

Hi.

[A]

Hi.

[B]

Oh, what is happening today?

[A]

We have some fun things happening. Erica and Teddy do a podcast together called Two Diamonds in the Rough. And Teddy said to me, you guys, you and Harry have to do this. It's so funny. You asked ChatGPT to roast you.

[B]

Roasted by AI?

[A]

Yeah, we get roasted by AI and we read it. So you're gonna read mine and I'm gonna read yours, huh? That's what we're gonna do.

[B]

You know, I've actually been to an actual roast.

[A]

I see. I never have. Whose were you?

[B]

Billy Crystal was being roasted in 1991 at the Friars Club in New York, and they invited me to come and sit on the dais for that part.

[A]

What's a dais?

[B]

A dais is, you know, when they line people up like.

[A]

Oh, like a banquet table.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. It's like a banquet table. And you become one of the people who gets up and says something about Billy Crystal. Right. I forget. What.

[A]

Did you know him?

[B]

Marginally. I mean, we. I mean, we knew each other, and I was. At the time.

[A]

That's before I met you.

[B]

It was 1991, so I was. I think I was still my last year of LA law, perhaps, or maybe I was just ending it, but I was really. My profile was very high at the time, so I was quite well known. They invited me to sit on the dais for Billy Crystal's roast, which was really funny. I mean, they had all the classic. The classic, you know, Don Rickles kind of people and stuff there for the roast. Right. But who did they sit me next to?

[A]

I. Now, I know. I know this story. Yeah, I know this story, but tell them, because they don't know it.

[B]

So I'm sitting next to this very blonde, young real estate developer, and he says. He says, harry, my name is Donald Trump, and I'm a real estate developer in New York. And I go, I actually heard of him before. I've heard of you. And all he wanted to know about was how I managed to get Ursula Andress in the sack.

[A]

That tracks. That pretty much tracks, doesn't it?

[B]

That tracks totally. I mean, Ursula, at the time was considered one of the great sex symbols in the world, and she and I had made this movie, Clash of the Titans, together, and we'd gotten together for a few dates when I was shooting in Rome with her, and she lived on Via Sistina, and I was living on Via Sistine at the Hotel de la Ville. And she had called me one night early in the morning, and I answered the phone in the hotel room, and she said, harry Hamlin, I had a dream about you. And she said, I just lived down the street, and do you want to go to the flea market the next way? So I. Anyway, we have a son. My son Dimitri is 45 now. We had a wonderful time for a while, but. Yeah, where was I going with that?

[A]

We were just talking about roasts, because.

[B]

I'm sitting at this roast with none other than Donald Trump, who's now President of the United States. Anyway, so I got to know him quite well, and we became.

[A]

Well, not really. I mean, had a roast sitting next to him.

[B]

Well, we spent seven hours together being filmed, so we sat on the same. Sat next to each other for seven hours.

[A]

Oh, so maybe you did get to know him.

[B]

No, I got to know his whole life story, and he got to know mine. Back in the old days when people used to talk to each other on airplanes, if you sat next to somebody for a trip from LA to New.

[A]

York, yeah, you would talk.

[B]

You got to know all about them because they were a stranger and they told you their whole life story. By the time you got to New York, you were best friends. Right. And so that's kind of what happened with.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

With Trump in that situation. So I got to know him and Ivana after that, and when I would go to New York, they would come to the plays if I was doing a play.

[A]

Oh, really? I didn't even know that.

[B]

And I would be invited to the events that they had. Yeah. Different time, different person, different all that. But anyway, so I. That's my experience with the roast. It was quite funny, as I recall, though I don't remember that person making any jokes.

[A]

Well, he's not very funny.

[B]

Well, there you go. So. So we're going to do this. Are we gonna do this AI roast now?

[A]

Yeah, we're gonna answer a couple chat GPT questions first, and then we're gonna do a roast. And these are. We have these papers over here, and then that's going to be the roast.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Situation that Teddy said is very funny.

[B]

Oh, really? So we're going to get roasted. All right.

[A]

Yeah. So Chat GPT roasts us. And you'll read mine, I guess, and I'll read yours. Something like that.

[B]

So I can only guess what. What chap team must do is. Is like comb the Internet and find out who we are. They probably know who we are.

[A]

And then they make fun of you. Because isn't a roast about making fun of your iconicness? It is, basically.

[B]

So what are they going to. What do you think chat GP is going to go for about you?

[A]

Oh, God. Isn't that a frightening.

[B]

Your lips. Maybe they're going to go for your lips. Let's try to guess what they're. How we're going to be roasted.

[A]

God, I don't know. What do you think?

[B]

I'm thinking it makes. I don't know. I mean, they're going to go after whatever, you know, they see as some tender spot somewhere that they can poke fun at. You know, me. Maybe it's the sexiest man alive thing. They might go, oh, right. Yeah.

[A]

I just can't even imagine. Well, we're going to find out much that they could go after me for.

[B]

There you go. We're going to find out, you know.

[A]

Yeah. Thanks a lot, Teddy.

[B]

I mean, what's going to happen? But let's do the questions first, and then we'll go to the roast.

[A]

All right. What are some questions?

[C]

Okay, so I asked Chachi PT to write some chaotic interview questions for Harry and Lisa.

[A]

Chaotic.

[C]

Let's just throw some wild cards in there.

[A]

Let's just get us ready for the roast. Okay, good. I'm ready. Okay, get us ready for roast.

[C]

First question.

[B]

I'm terrible at this kind of thing, by the way.

[A]

How do you. It's good.

[C]

It's like improv.

[A]

Yeah, it's like improv.

[C]

Okay, which one of you is more likely to start a cult and what would it be based on?

[B]

I think you would be probably the first one to start a cult. It would be a cult of fashion. Fashion cult of some kind.

[A]

A fashion cult.

[B]

I fashion about wigs. Yeah. They even used to be called wigs, didn't they, in the political party? The wigs.

[A]

They did.

[B]

So you'd be called the wig party. Wig cult. Cult of wigs. The wig cult. Yeah. That's would be your cult, I think. I didn't really have much that I can start a cult about. Like what?

[A]

You know, gardening.

[B]

Gardening.

[A]

Gardening.

[B]

Camping.

[A]

Camping cult.

[B]

A camping cult. A mountain climbing cult, Candyman cult. A scuba cult. I went on. I. I scuba dived last week under. Under our house up at the lake. Kind of interesting.

[A]

Yeah, but I wouldn't really call that scuba diving. You looked underneath the house falling down. It was dark, cloudy, gross water.

[B]

It was pretty gross. But anyway, I don't. I think you're the cult person.

[C]

I agree with that.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[C]

I think you would have a lot of cult followers.

[A]

I think I could also. I think I have a lot of cult followers now. I would kind of think that I am a cult right now anyway, without being a cult.

[B]

So you got to get them all.

[A]

The cult of Lisa Rinna.

[B]

They have to tithe, you know.

[A]

Oh, tithe.

[B]

They've got to tithe.

[A]

10%.

[B]

10%? Yeah. I mean, all your cult members got a check for 10% of everything they make.

[A]

I like it.

[B]

Well, that's how cults work, right?

[A]

I mean, I could actually. Maybe. I already am a very good cult leader. I kind of am already. I mean, to follow me. You're kind of cultish anyway, to begin with.

[B]

Are you starting a cult on cameo? Maybe? Cameo cult.

[A]

Cameo cult. Possibly. Possibly.

[B]

Because you're working on cameo all the time.

[A]

I do, yeah.

[B]

People like to have you say happy birthday for them. Right.

[A]

I like it. You know, I fought doing that for so long, I didn't want to do it for a long time. And then I thought, why not? It's like giving a gift to people. You know, people hire you as a gift. So that's how I turned my brain around and thought, well, I want to give to people. I'm a giver. And so this way I'm giving to people. At first I thought it was like, I don't know.

[B]

Well, it's like when people come up to you and ask for an autograph or something or a picture, you can put a smile on somebody's face so easily. I'm so grateful that we have this power as celebrities. We can give somebody write our name on a picture and all of a sudden it makes their day. How often do you get to make somebody's day? Easily.

[A]

That's how I look at the cameras.

[B]

I got off the plane the other day in LA and there was like a gaggle of people right as I go off the plane. I mean, right there in the airport holding up pictures of Clash of the Titans.

[A]

I can't quite figure this one out. Because if the airport is secure, how are these people getting past the. Well, they must have bought tickets to go at. They Must have bought tickets as you're coming off a plane.

[B]

They bought a ticket, and then they're. They probably buy it and they walk through the airport, and then they give it back.

[A]

That's a little bit like, TSA is not maybe doing their job if they're waiting at the gate with your picture.

[B]

But if they bought a ticket, a legitimate ticket, they can walk through the airport, then they have to give the ticket back and get a refund for it later.

[A]

I guess I'm more curious about how that happened. I think it's lovely that you had that, but I'm like, well, how did they get to the gate?

[B]

Well, interesting. I don't know, but they were there, and I signed those pictures with the smile on them.

[A]

Isn't it nice to be able to do that? So that's how I look at Cameo now. It's like giving gifts to people. So I try to make them cute. I try to wear, like, cute hats and glasses.

[B]

That's right. That Cameo is the gift, then that keeps on giving.

[A]

Well, to all of us. Yes. Anyway, that's my spending money. I use Cameo as my, like, you know.

[B]

That's your disposable income.

[A]

My disposable income, yeah. I'm grateful for it.

[B]

Yes. You should be.

[A]

All right, so next question.

[C]

Okay, next question.

[A]

We all know I'm a cult leader and period.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. What is the pettiest thing you would do if you were invisible for 48 hours?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

The pettiest thing. Oh, like the stupidest thing.

[A]

Petty meaning like.

[B]

Like, really, like, selfish and.

[A]

Yeah. Like, not even. Like, just kind of. What does petty mean exactly?

[C]

Petty is, like, kind of instigating drama or trying to get back at someone.

[A]

That's me. Maybe a little retribution. Me in a nutshell, isn't it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can you imagine what I would do?

[B]

Let's think if you're invisible.

[A]

So if I was invisible. Oh, my God.

[B]

To steal something, would you go and grab. You know?

[A]

But I would, like, maybe go with some ex housewives that I. I could like with them.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah. We're not gonna name names. Yeah.

[C]

Name names.

[A]

Picture. Picture. Like, some things I could do to, like, fuck with some people that fucked with me. But I'm invisible.

[B]

You could be a ghost.

[A]

You know, like, trip them or pull their pants down.

[B]

I don't know. I mean. I mean, you could think about the Invisible man and what. What they. When you used to see those movies, what they would do when they were invisible. But I once pulled a really big gag on My brother at his house in Canada. And I pretended to be invisible. I took like, for example, I took a chair and I tied fishing line to it on in the living room downstairs. And then I. I had the fishing line go out through a hole in the wall and I was out in the forest and I rattled some. Some coat hangers in the closet and got them. Woke everybody up. And when they came down with their flashlights to see what was going on, I'm out in the forest and I pulled the chair and it just floated across.

[A]

And that's a scary house up there in Canada.

[B]

Anyway.

[A]

I know that house is scary that he lives in.

[B]

So you could do stuff like that when you're invisible. You could, like, move stuff around and people would walk into a room and say, wa. That. That should be over here.

[A]

Fun to just torture people and like, just make them crazy.

[B]

It'll be fun to torture them. Oh, yeah, you like to torture people. You got some sickness in there, don't you? Do you? Do? Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Be fun to torture them. Yeah, I wouldn't hurt them. I would just torture them a little.

[B]

Bit to psychologically torture them, you know, scare the out of them. Right. Or.

[A]

Yeah, or just like, really confused now.

[B]

Is that petty, though? I mean, what's.

[A]

That's very petty.

[B]

Pretty petty.

[A]

It's petty if you're going to do that to people that you don't even really care about.

[B]

I mean, that's probably as far as I would go, too. I would hurt anybody, move stuff around. Then people go, what? That was not there. That was not, you know, that door.

[A]

Wasn'T open just to, like, make him crazy, like, drive him crazy. Like do that to Donald Trump and just, like, make him go insane.

[B]

I think that's already been done. But anyway.

[A]

Well, maybe I. Anyway, that kind of stuff. Yeah.

[B]

You could sneak into the White House.

[A]

Couldn'T you, if you're invisible?

[B]

Yeah, that'd be pretty petty, you know.

[A]

Well, you could do a lot of things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, I'm getting myself in trouble. See, this is the kind of thing I do that gets me in trouble because then someone will go, oh, my God, petty.

[B]

And then the retribution will start and the IRS will come after you and petty.

[A]

But anyway, it's pretend. I'm not really doing it. Chat. GPT is just teasing us with it.

[B]

So anyway.

[A]

But yes, I'd be happy to do all of it. Okay.

[C]

Okay. What's a hill? You're irrationally willing to die on something small, petty, but passionately defended.

[B]

I mean, there are some politicians out there that I would take a bullet for. There are some people who I think are trying to save our democracy right now, and I would definitely protect them.

[A]

Oh, here's something petty that I love more than anything that's happening right now. I'm going to mention it. Gavin Newsom and his social media team is on fire.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

They are torturing.

[B]

I was just in Canada and the Canadians love Gavin Newsom. They come up to me, oh, my God, your governor is so great. We love him so much.

[A]

You know, I love what he's doing. You know, I love when you go after somebody with their own, like, fight fire with fire. When you fight fire with fire and you go after somebody and you literally do what they're doing and they get so worked up about it. That's the joy of this. I love it so much. That's how petty I am. Like, I would do that because I think that that's. You gotta sometimes fight fire with fire.

[B]

It's a really weird time in our lives right now. And I keep saying to our girls to be very cognizant of this moment in history, because as I've said before on the podcast, there will be stories and songs and books and records and stuff, and movies made for centuries, probably about this time. And there's going to be a cohort of good guys and a cohort of bad guys, and who are the good guys and who are the bad guys? And I think it's time we figured that out, because I think it's very important for people to give some thought to that.

[A]

I think so, too. And I think that you really want to be on the right side of history. You don't want to be on the wrong side of history.

[B]

No. Because look what happened to all those guys who worked for Adolf. They all had to flee to South America at the end of the day. Did they? Yeah. I mean, all the trials, the Nuremberg trials happened because at the end of the day, Germany said they were all traitors to Germany. They were all considered. And when the United States and Russia and Soviet Union came into Berlin, they considered it being liberated from Hitler. The German people did at that point. At first, they sort of went along with them.

[A]

I know they did.

[B]

You see how that happens?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You see how that happens. We realize what happens and what has happened, and then it requires liberation after that.

[A]

So why do you think it has repeated itself, in a sense? And why do you think history repeats itself?

[B]

Well, because human beings are greedy. And basically, if someone is not self reflective and hasn't thought about what it means to be alive at this time. And we should all be so grateful to be here in the first place because. 99.9 an audience reminder. The universe is dead and floating around in space, but we somehow became the most amazing machines ever created by the universe. And we get to walk around and look at sunsets and taste cinnamon and make love and stuff. So you gotta be really grateful that we're here in the first place. And anybody who has that point of view would never, ever do any of the things that are being done today, which are just basically greedy, power hungry, narcissistic megalomaniacs. And the world is being run by people like that right now. And ultimately, I think they won't succeed, but there could be a lot of damage done between now and the moment when they no longer are in power. Being done right now. But I think that you asked me the question. Why do I think history repeats itself like that? Because human nature hasn't really changed. Our technology has changed. Our ability to communicate has increased. And we have instantaneous communication around the world right now. And all those things which could be very helpful to us could also be very damaging. So we're seeing the damaging side of it at the moment anyway.

[A]

We're getting so deep and dark today. We gotta be careful.

[B]

Let's. We're gonna. It's gonna be fun because we're gonna do this roast right from chatgpt.

[A]

We are.

[B]

I mean, yeah, we go down once in a while. You have to talk about what's really good.

[A]

I know you do.

[B]

I know you can't avoid it.

[A]

You can't. We can touch on it. You have to touch on it.

[B]

I mean, there's. There's so much retribution talk out there that anybody right now who says anything that is in any way not complimentary about what's going on is subject to retribution at the moment. And that doesn't sound like America to me. As a matter of fact, it is the exact opposite of America. So I don't know what we're heading into, but it's a. It's a storm the likes of which we haven't seen before in my lifetime. But same.

[A]

But again, history seems to be repeating itself. And I hope it doesn't completely repeat itself, but again, it repeats itself. And why is that? Because we're just not that evolved.

[B]

We just haven't. We just don't learn well.

[A]

I mean, we just forget.

[B]

Because so much time's gone by, anybody who actually contemplates what it's like to be human and what it means to be human and the gift that it is to be human at this particular time in history. Would not ever want to live that way. Would not ever want to live a life of retribution and being paranoid all the time that people are out to get them and they must think that the world is an unsafe place. But I kind of. I'm at a loss for words. In fact, when I tried to just were, I could see that when I try to think and try to explain how I feel about what's going on, I'm at a loss for words because it's so ultimately horrible.

[A]

Well, yeah. And it's so shocking how it happened.

[B]

Well, we were like frogs in very slowly boiling water, and we've gotten to the point where the water's starting to boil, and that's. We knew it was coming, and here it is. Oh, boy. Okay.

[A]

Anyway, should we do our roast? Jesus got so heavy all of a sudden. I need a cigarette after that.

[B]

Give me a cigar. Yeah. Hey, guys.

[D]

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[B]

What is. What was that meme that you had? I need a drink. No, I need a Xanax.

[A]

I need a drink and a Xanax. Give me a drink and a Xanax. I said some crazy shit that. You know what's interesting? And I'm gonna point this out right now, for whatever reason, you know that eight years of my life was that eight years of my life, but right now, and I said this. This is what I said to Eric and Dorit. I said, guys, when you get off this show, it's so great. It's so much better than you think it's gonna be, right? Like, once you're off, you're going to work so much more, and, like, such great things happen, right? Well, here's what I wouldn't have realized. The things I'm doing now, like, the endorsements I'm getting, all the things that I'm doing is a flip on its head of my memes and things that I said on Housewives, we're using those things that flew out of my mouth on Housewives as a selling point for these products. I swear to God, the last four endorsements I've done, like, own it, baby. All of my things are used to now sell products. So I pat myself on the back for that, actually, because now I can make money.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, I may. I am making money off of my mouth and off of myself.

[B]

For what? I came up with money off those lips.

[A]

Isn't it good? Yeah, it's just so good that I'm, like, recreating these silly moments that came flying out of my mouth. And I'm getting paid for it. And I love that.

[B]

I like it too, because that American Express bill is high.

[A]

It's still high. I don't know. I need to win a lotto or something.

[B]

I think the lottery's high right now. You might wanna buy a ticket. Yeah.

[C]

All right. I think it's time to roast each other. I think now is the time.

[A]

Okay, so how do we do this?

[C]

Okay, so each of you have a roast. Harry, you have a roast for Lisa. And Lisa, you have one for Harry.

[A]

And this is from ChatGPT.

[C]

This is ChatGPT. I asked ChatGPT. Write me a roast for Lisa Rinna. Write me one for Harry Hamlin. And you guys are gonna read them to each other and get each other's reactions.

[A]

Flip a coin like in Peaky Blinders. I'm watching. I just finished.

[B]

Who has a coin flip? I don't have a coin.

[A]

Thomas Shelby always flipped his coins.

[B]

What is it? What was it?

[A]

Heads, I win. Go.

[B]

Okay. Because whose heads I win and tails you lose. Anyway, so. Okay, this is the roast of Lisa Rinna. Okay. Not seen this before. There's a little flame next to the name Lisa Rinna is proof that hustle never sleeps. And neither does she. Probably because she's too busy reposting memes about herself at 3am she's been on soaps, reality shows, QVC. If there's a camera and a check, Lisa's. There's halfway through contouring and halfway through an argument. She's turned over sharing into an Olympic sport. She's turned. She's turned over sharing into.

[A]

Over sharing into an Olympic sport.

[B]

Over sharing into an Olympic sport.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

And if stirring the pot were a profession, she'd have a corner Office and a 401K. Lisa's energy is like if Red Bull and a ring light had a baby.

[A]

Wait, Red Bull and a ring light.

[B]

She'll show up to an apology dinner with receipts, lip gloss, and a business plan.

[A]

This is so good.

[B]

It's so true. But behind all the sass and sales pitches is someone who figured out how to stay relevant longer than most people. Remember who won American Idol. Love her or fear her? Lisa Rinna is a force, a brand, and possibly a one woman hurricane in heels.

[A]

Oh, that is so good. ChatGPT.

[B]

A hurricane in heels.

[A]

A hurricane in heels. I'm gonna frame that. I like this.

[B]

And a terror on wheels. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, what was it? Something. Love her or fear her?

[B]

Love her or fear her?

[A]

I like that.

[B]

Do you like being feared?

[A]

Yes, because I grew up a people pleaser. And so you know what's kind of sick? I like pissing people off and upsetting people.

[B]

Well, thank you very much. I mean, because I walk into the room sometimes and I get pissed off and fucked up. So please stop.

[A]

No, I like it because I. People please. For so long that when somebody. Okay. The other day Greg was doing my hair and he said, you know, most people say to me, what is Lisa Rinna really like? Is she a real bitch? I'm like, people really say that? Like, he goes, absolutely. They come in and think that you are a terror. And he goes, I tell them you're like the nicest person. You're so down to earth. And so part of me secretly, not even secretly loves the fact that I have somehow changed my people pleasing Persona. Yes, I do.

[B]

To me, you're still a little easier, Oregon. But you can be. You can be quickly.

[A]

I can be quickly. See you next Tuesday for sure. I can. I know I can.

[B]

Please not do it when we're under the same roof.

[A]

Yeah, okay. I can try. I'm not that bad. But I do like it at times. I love it at times actually.

[B]

So, yes, love her or fear her.

[A]

Let's keep that. I love, love this.

[B]

Okay. Love her. Fearless. He's a force, a brand, and possibly a one woman hurricane in heels. Now when I have. Do you think I would ever describe you as a one woman hurricane? Would I see you like 9/10 of the time in your sweats in bed watching old movies?

[A]

You know, that's the thing that people don't understand. Like, if you saw me, like, how about this? I come into Delilah's room the other day because of course I'm a nurse and I have a nurse's outfit. What's my nurse's outfit? Free City sweatpants, a T shirt. And you know.

[B]

But that's your outfit, right? That's not just your nurse's outfit. That's your everyday outfit.

[A]

Right? But I come in her room yesterday and I have on a pair of Neely Low tan sweatpants and like a Different T shirt. And she went, oh, you have a different outfit on. Like, she clocked it. Like, I was somehow dressed to the nines because I changed my regular outfit. And I thought, that's funny, because the people in the world right now see me in these crazy, like, fashion outfits.

[B]

I think you're, like, working all the time. Like, busy, busy, busy bee.

[A]

Like, and I'm, like, home watching Peaky Blinders, Mad Men. And now I'm watching Game of Thrones again.

[B]

Again? Really? Oh, I remember it was hard to watch Game of Thrones at first because it came out right around the time we were being sued, and everything was, like, really dark in the world, and the recession had happened, and it was like. And I watched the first episode, and it was so terrifying and dark. I. I can't watch that show. And I didn't watch it for another year. Then I watched the whole thing. I binged the whole thing.

[A]

Oh, it's so good. It's just so good. So I'm watching that again. Are you ready for yours?

[B]

Oh, no. Okay.

[A]

Oh, Harry Hamlin. Harry, you're like, if a leather armchair grew a jawline and started quoting Shakespeare. You're like a leather armchair grew a jawline and started quoting Shakespeare. Somehow you've managed to be both ruggedly mysterious and the exact guy your mom wants you to marry. Oh, assuming she's okay with a man who probably grills in a silk robe.

[B]

That's not perfect.

[A]

That means kind of maybe. You know, kind of maybe. You've been in Hollywood So long, your IMDb page is like a historical document. Your hobbies include mountaineering, gourmet cooking, and reminding people that, yes, you were in Clash of the Titans. You're the only man who can make gardening feel like a monologue from Hamlet. And let's be real, you've aged like fine wine. The kind that makes people say, wait, how old is he?

[B]

Well, yeah, 25.

[A]

That's yours. Pretty good. Not quite as exciting as mine. I will say mine is pretty good.

[B]

I've never tried to be exciting. Exciting. So I'm happy with that. This is good.

[A]

It's good. It's mellow.

[B]

A fine wine.

[A]

And they didn't even mention Sexiest Man Alive.

[D]

How about that?

[B]

That's very good.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I liked a lot of the Shakespeare mentions because that means that that's out there. That. Because that's.

[A]

That's what they pull up.

[B]

How about that?

[A]

Yeah, that was fun. Yeah.

[C]

What'd you guys think?

[A]

I knew it was gonna be good, but that was good.

[B]

So if I were to frame mine, if I were to quote Shakespeare, there are a couple of quotes that I love. My favorite quote from Shakespeare. And there are three that I think about a lot because I played Hamlet, and I remember saying these words every night. And every night I said them, they would resonate with me. And the first one is there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.

[A]

You say that to me a lot, actually.

[B]

Well, because it's true. I mean, people. I once had a friend, a good close friend, who was one of the best lawyers in la. Entertainment lawyer. I went to high school with him. He was really brilliant guy. His name was George Hedges. Really brilliant guy. I've heard his name. He unfortunately developed some melanoma and killed him years ago. But before he died, he and I would get together from time to time. And the last time we got together, he had been kind of an armchair archaeologist looking for the Garden of Eden is what he sort of started out looking for and ended up finding some really interesting old towns that were sort of buried by sand in the Middle East.

[A]

Random, but.

[B]

Yeah, I know it was pretty random.

[A]

So random.

[B]

So the last time I was with him, he said he was searching for meaning, that he was trying to find artifacts and things that had meaning. And I said, but, George, what does that mean? I said, the only meaning is in your brain. You know, nothing has intrinsic meaning. There's no artifact, there's no thing. There's no place or even idea that has meaning.

[A]

You make it so you either make it good or bad. You say that to me a lot, actually. And you say that to the kids a lot too, by the way.

[B]

But it's true. Everything that we value, that we give a good, better or best to or worse, worse and worse. That valuation takes place in our brain. It doesn't take place in the world out there. I mean, there may be a lot of people who like a certain kind of ice cream. And they go, that's a very popular ice cream. But it doesn't mean the ice cream has any. Any intrinsic meaning. It's just in your brain where the meaning lives.

[A]

And what are the other sayings that you like?

[B]

Well, I like. Okay, there are more things, Horatio, in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

Which means. Well, he's talking about. Really. He's talking about the ghost. There's the ghost of Hamlet's father. But really the larger meaning is that, you know, how in life we have deja vu, for example. Would you go, how do you explain that? How do you explain sudden coincidences that happen that all of a sudden make everything work out in your life? Or how do you explain, like, you're almost going to get into an accident, but all of a sudden you made the wrong turn and you're fine? How did those things happen?

[A]

How did they?

[B]

And that's what. When he says, there are more things, Horatio, in heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Meaning the things that he could see in front of him. And now quantum physics has proven that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our philosophy. Because what we see and hear, given our senses and the range of our senses, is very limited relative to what's actually out there. I mean, for example, there are some birds that navigate based upon being able to sense the magnetic field of the earth and we can't sense that, but it's out there. It's happening to some being. So there are more things in heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. And then the last one, which I try not to think of too much, he's contemplating life and death, and he's specifically talking about death. And the way I did it, I was looking at a ring in my hand and I took the ring out and I made it as though it was life itself. And I said, in talking about death, but it will come. And I grabbed the ring, meaning that, yeah, it's inevitable.

[A]

Death and taxes.

[B]

Death and taxes. So, yeah, those are three quotes that stick out. But there are many more quotes. I mean, Hamlet is just a font of extraordinary.

[A]

Unbelievable. Yeah, on that note.

[B]

Yeah, on that note.

[A]

That's good for the day, right?

[B]

Great. Good. So, hey, once again, everybody, thank you for checking into let's not talk about me, I'm the husband.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

And I'm harryrhamlin on Instagram.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So see you next week.

[A]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband.

[D]

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