Delilah Belle: My Mental Health Journey

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Let's Not Talk About The Husband" Episode: Delilah Belle: My Mental Health Journey
Release Date: July 4, 2025
Hosts: Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin
Guest: Delilah Hamlin

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Introduction

In this heartfelt and candid episode of "Let's Not Talk About The Husband," hosts Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin welcome their daughter, Delilah Hamlin, as the first official guest. Delilah opens up about her personal mental health journey, exploring topics such as trauma, panic attacks, and her passion for music. The conversation delves deep into her experiences growing up in a high-profile family and the challenges she has faced along the way.

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Delilah’s Background and Current Endeavors

Delilah provides an overview of her recent activities, including her modeling work and passion for music. She discusses her experiences shooting for Vogue, highlighting her collaborations with the Morelli brothers. Delilah emphasizes the importance of surrounding herself with creatives and how this environment fuels her artistic endeavors.

Delilah Hamlin [02:19]: "I don't think I could live without music. I just, I love making music. I love writing music. I have to write my own music."

Harry expresses pride in Delilah's accomplishments and her multifaceted career, balancing modeling with her growing interest in music.

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Childhood Experiences and Early Trauma

The conversation shifts to Delilah’s childhood, where she reveals both fond and challenging memories. She recalls spending time alone in nature, playing with dolls, and being deeply introspective from a young age.

Delilah Hamlin [04:08]: "I spent a lot of time alone, actually playing in the backyard, like playing in, like just in nature. I played with dolls till I was like 13. I had a great time."

Harry shares his perspective on Delilah’s development, highlighting how her unique upbringing in the entertainment industry shaped her personality and coping mechanisms.

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Trauma and Its Impact

Delilah and Harry delve into the concept of trauma, discussing how it manifests differently for individuals and the societal implications of its overuse.

Delilah Hamlin [06:27]: "We need to take accountability for how we interpret and react to the trauma, if that makes sense."

Harry adds that trauma varies in intensity and can significantly influence one's life trajectory.

Harry Hamlin [06:28]: "There are varying degrees of trauma. Some are horribly traumatic... and then there's trauma that is not necessarily as explosive or as dramatic, but could have the same long-term effects."

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PANDAS and Mental Health Struggles

A significant portion of the episode focuses on PANDAS (Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated with Streptococcal infections), a condition Delilah has been managing since childhood. She explains how viral infections can trigger autoimmune responses leading to severe anxiety, panic attacks, and other psychiatric symptoms.

Delilah Hamlin [09:38]: "PANDAS is the abrupt onset of like OCD, tics, anxiety, panic attacks, moodiness, separation anxiety, rage fits, phobias."

Delilah shares her ongoing struggle with these symptoms, emphasizing the lack of awareness and research surrounding PANDAS, especially in adults.

Delilah Hamlin [14:41]: "I'm not a child anymore. I'm 27, and I still suffer from these symptoms and these episodes. We need to bring awareness to that because it is so horrible."

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Coping Mechanisms and Therapy

Delilah discusses her long-term relationship with therapy, which began at the age of 11 after experiencing panic attacks. She highlights the importance of validating emotions and avoiding the blame on trauma for personal actions.

Delilah Hamlin [08:40]: "I've been in therapy so for so many years, since I was 11. I really know how to work the therapy system."

Harry and Delilah explore the challenges of managing panic attacks and the cyclical nature of anxiety, especially when triggered by factors like infections or societal pressures.

Delilah Hamlin [20:32]: "Be like, I can see that you're not... How can I help you regulate."

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Impact on Personal and Professional Life

Delilah reflects on how her mental health struggles have influenced her career choices and self-esteem. She shares poignant memories from her teenage years, including being removed from her acapella team due to missed rehearsals caused by her condition.

Delilah Hamlin [29:03]: "The fact that I don't remember this is crazy."

Harry recounts his efforts to support Delilah during these turbulent times, underscoring the familial support that has been pivotal in her journey.

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Music as a Therapeutic Outlet

Despite her challenges, Delilah finds solace and empowerment in music. She discusses her creative process, collaboration with producers, and the continuous evolution of her musical style.

Delilah Hamlin [45:12]: "I want to be the most authentic me that I can be. And that's why it's taking me how many years."

Harry admires her dedication and the way music serves as both a therapeutic and creative outlet for her.

Harry Hamlin [43:04]: "I've seen you push through those moments, and you always do. And you'll go to the studio and cut an amazing song, even though you were having a panic attack."

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Family Dynamics and Generational Trauma

The discussion delves into the concept of generational trauma, exploring how familial behaviors and attitudes can subconsciously influence one's mental health and coping strategies.

Delilah Hamlin [25:07]: "Control is a big thing. I think generational trauma gets passed down."

Delilah explains how her parents' emphasis on control has impacted her own fears and behaviors, such as her fear of vomit (emetophobia).

Delilah Hamlin [26:55]: "Maybe that's why I have a fear of vomit. Because you're not in control."

Harry acknowledges the inadvertent impact of his actions and attitudes on Delilah's mental health.

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Overcoming Challenges and Moving Forward

Delilah shares her strategies for managing anxiety and panic attacks, including self-awareness, community support, and immersing herself in creative work. She emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and authenticity in achieving personal goals despite mental health challenges.

Delilah Hamlin [49:01]: "Doing what I'm meant to do. And also when I'm in a flow state like that, there's nothing else."

Harry encourages Delilah by recognizing her resilience and the progress she's made, affirming his pride in her continuous efforts to overcome obstacles.

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with reflections on Delilah’s ongoing journey, her aspirations to raise awareness about PANDAS, and her commitment to her passions in modeling and music. Lisa and Harry express their unwavering support and pride in Delilah’s growth and achievements.

Harry Hamlin [53:45]: "Delilah Bell, you are an amazing human. You're also our kid, and I'm... You're going to be my kid forever."

Delilah concludes by expressing her gratitude for the familial support and her determination to continue her path toward healing and self-actualization.

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Notable Quotes:

• Delilah Hamlin [06:27]: "We need to take accountability for how we interpret and react to the trauma."

• Harry Hamlin [14:02]: "Do you think it has much more to do with just the physical impact of having strep when you're a kid and your immune system isn't ready for it?"

• Delilah Hamlin [20:32]: "I can see that you're not... How can I help you regulate."

• Delilah Hamlin [25:07]: "Control is a big thing. I think generational trauma gets passed down."

• Harry Hamlin [53:45]: "Delilah Bell, you are an amazing human. You're also our kid, and I'm... You're going to be my kid forever."

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Final Thoughts

This episode offers an intimate glimpse into Delilah Hamlin's life, showcasing her strength and resilience in the face of mental health challenges. Lisa and Harry provide a supportive and loving environment, fostering an open dialogue about topics often stigmatized or overlooked. "Let's Not Talk About The Husband" successfully balances humor with profound emotional depth, making it a compelling listen for anyone interested in authentic family dynamics and personal growth.

Transcript

[Lisa Rinna]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this is. Let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been together for over 30 years, and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're gonna own it, baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode.

[Delilah Hamlin]

How exciting.

[Harry Hamlin]

Here we are. Hey, everybody, thanks for checking in to. Let's Not Talk about the Husband One more time. And today, Lisa Rinna has turned into Delilah Hamlin. Delilah Bell.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Who's Delilah Hamlin? Never heard of her.

[Harry Hamlin]

Delilah Bell, it's so good to have you here as our guest. You're our first official guest, aside from Cheetah. Cheetah. Go on, Cheetah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Come. I'm so happy to be here. I've never done a podcast.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait a minute. Is this your first podcast?

[Delilah Hamlin]

My first podcast?

[Harry Hamlin]

You've got to be kidding me.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Is it? Yes, it is. I've always wanted to do one.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, well, here you are. Okay. So welcome back to la. Have you been in New York? You've been shooting stuff in New York? You were in Cayman for a week, celebrating your birthday.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

How was that? How was Cayman?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Amelia is a goddess for taking us to Cayman.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And just. It was just so amazing. Love came in. Just love. A beach moment, you know, like, love a beach moment.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think a beach moment is always good to have once in a while. Yeah. So how. In New York and in New York and. What did you shoot in New York?

[Delilah Hamlin]

We shot for Vogue.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you've done a Vogue cover before? Didn't you've done an Asian Vogue?

[Delilah Hamlin]

I've done a couple Vogue covers, yeah. Both, I believe. I think there were two, maybe three. With the Morelli brothers.

[Harry Hamlin]

With the Morelli brothers. Okay.

[Delilah Hamlin]

All with them, yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. So this is. This is my daughter who I delivered, who we brought up, who was a little sprout like that, and she's shooting for a Vogue now. Okay. Hello. I mean, that's amazing. I mean, I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of Amelia and what you guys have accomplished. And. And she's off, you know, being kind of a supermodel. And you're off being a supermodel, but you're also doing music because you don't just do supermodeling. You also are really passionate about your music. Can you tell me about your passion for music and all that?

[Delilah Hamlin]

I don't think I Could live without music. I just, I love making music. I love writing music. I have to write my own music. And that, that's what I'm doing. I'm just like delving into, into that aspect of my career at the moment.

[Harry Hamlin]

And is that number one right now for you?

[Delilah Hamlin]

I mean, look, I love fashion, I love modeling, I love meeting so many different creatives. I think that's really important for me in life to be surrounded by creatives. When I love traveling, I just love fashion. But music is my. Music is my thing. That's like what I came here to do in life.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay? So you have your passionate one direction music and that's what it is.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I just know in my soul that I'm supposed to do music. Do you know what I mean?

[Harry Hamlin]

When your kid finds their passion, finds the thing that they really, really want to do, I have to tell you, that is the most gratifying moment in a parent's life.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I'm not a kid anymore. No, sadly, 27.

[Harry Hamlin]

But you were. Well. Oh, God, in my mind, you're always going to be my kid. Even when you're 50, you'll be my kid.

[Delilah Hamlin]

True.

[Harry Hamlin]

Dimitri is my kid. Even though he's in his 40s now. I hope you're okay with that because that's kind of where it's going to be as far as I'm concerned. But I'm just so proud that you have turned out the way you've turned out. And, you know, how about this? I've never really asked you this, but how was your childhood? Did you enjoy your childhood? And you can be honest, be totally 100% honest.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Of course. I mean, yeah, of course I enjoyed my childhood. Yeah, I have very fond memories, but I also have not so fond memories. But I'm very grateful for how we grew up, for sure. I spent a lot of time alone, actually playing in the backyard, like playing in, like just in nature. I played with dolls till I was like 13. I had a great time.

[Harry Hamlin]

That was so good.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I was in my own world.

[Harry Hamlin]

You've always been in your world.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I'm still in my own world.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're still in your own. And by the way, I'm in my own world too. I know, but I love the world that you're in. It's so great. And I've watched you evolve over the years and years. I mean, your coming out was a little traumatic. Your mom and I told you, I.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Was like, what are you talking about?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, when you came out of her womb, it was a little traumatic because you were stuck in the birth canal for about 24 hours, which is a long time.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I feel like that does something to you. Of course it must. And you know, it does, because I actually was listening to. I listened to so many skinny confidentials, and, yeah, they talk about the trauma and how that. How birthing trauma. I feel like they talk. They've talked about this, how birthing trauma, like.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, no, I'm sure they have. So. But, you know, you're. You're just an infant at that point. You're. You're coming out. You don't remember any of that, I'm assuming. But there has to be some kind of associative trauma with being, you know, fighting your way into existence for 24 hours. You know, this. You're like a bowling ball coming out through this little tiny hole. And it's got to have. It has to have an effect in the long run.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I mean, if you want to start talking about trauma, we could talk about trauma all day long. You know what I mean?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, let's talk about trauma.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I hate the word trauma.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. I hate the word trauma. Now tell me why.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I feel it is overused.

[Harry Hamlin]

Do you think that some people say that they have trauma, but they didn't really have trauma? Or they're different at different kind of levels of trauma that have different effects over time in one's life? And we look back on our lives and we can go, well, that happened because I had trauma at this point in my life, or this didn't happen because I was scared because of the trauma that I'd had in my life. And maybe we can look back on traumatic moments that happened to us as kids, and we could go, well, that's why my life is the way it is today.

[Delilah Hamlin]

What I am not loving in society at the moment is like, we're blaming our actions on our trauma. I just, like, I. I just. I have a bit of an issue with that because I'm like, we need to take accountability for how we interpret and react to the trauma, if that makes sense.

[Harry Hamlin]

Sure. No, absolutely.

[Delilah Hamlin]

So that's just something I've noticed, because obviously, everyone has trauma. Every single person.

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course, we have different variations of trauma. I mean, there are varying degrees of trauma. And that's what I'm trying to get at is, you know, it means there's some people who had, like, horribly traumatic experiences where they're, you know, they survived a plane crash, or they saw their parents get killed in front of them, or they had, you know, been. They were raped by a Family member or all that. There's that kind of trauma and then there's trauma that is not necessarily as explosive or as dramatic, but could have the same long term effects. Yeah, like being stuck in the birth canal for 25 hours when you're an infant or you know, being, being late to school on the first day of school, like happened to me. I was, I, I missed the first couple of days of kindergarten when I was a kid.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And you remember that?

[Harry Hamlin]

I do. I remember going to kindergarten terrified because I'd missed the first two days. And, and it colored my entire school experience for the next few years because my very first time ever going to a school was to kindergarten. And I mean I had been to nursery school, but that had been, I didn't consider that school, but this was like, this is the real deal. This was like a school school.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Like a uniforms.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, it did have uniforms, but it was a school. It looked like a school. It was, that had that industrial look to it and it was a, it was a public school. And I went there for kindergarten and, and I said to my mom, I'm sorry mom, I can't do it, I can't do it. And she, she, she allowed me to stay home days because I was so terrified. But it colored who I was after that because I was, I felt this, this trauma from going to school. So did anything like that ever happen to you when you were a kid?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Well, yes, but, but in you talking about that, that just brings, brings me to how I psychoanalyze absolutely everything really because of trauma, like, and trying to understand trauma because I've been in therapy so for so many years, since I was 11. I really know how to like work the therapy system. I know how to use it and I feel like I know how to use it too much. And so then I'm like psychoanalyzing everything.

[Harry Hamlin]

I want to talk about that because you said you've been in therapy since you were 11. Now that's really young for anybody to go into therapy. Let's talk about how come I love therapy. Oh, good. Well, having a psychology degree and I thought I was going to become a therapist for a while, but thank God I didn't.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But I want to be a therapist. I don't know. That's, that's a whole another story.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you're 11 years old. Why are you in therapy at 11?

[Delilah Hamlin]

I'm in therapy at 11 because I started having panic attacks out of nowhere. And like I started, I started going, quote unquote crazy out of nowhere. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was there.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Right. Exactly. But then that also brings me to like feeling the feeling of feeling crazy at 11 is not a good feeling. You know what I mean?

[Harry Hamlin]

It's horrible. Are you kidding me?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Because it's not a good feeling.

[Harry Hamlin]

No. It's a kind of mental illness, I guess. So let's talk about what it was.

[Delilah Hamlin]

There's not a lot of research and funding behind PANDAS awareness and PANDAS is. PANDAS is Pediatric autoimmune Neuropsychiatric disorders associated with Streptococcal infections.

[Harry Hamlin]

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[Harry Hamlin]

For 10% of kids. This is what I learned. 10% of kids in the United States are at some point have pandas, this pediatric autoimmune disease. And it's triggered because the kids at some point get strep or some other bacteria can. It isn't. It's associated with strep, but there's you can get.

[Delilah Hamlin]

It triggers a lot of viral infections, like Epstein Barr mono.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right. So what, it causes an autoimmune response. You want to talk about what it is because you've got your notes right there. So pandas is what it's called?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Pandas and pans. Yeah, it's definitely something I do want to bring up because I, I just don't think there's enough awareness around it. And it's an acute onset or, you know, abrupt onset of like ocd, tics, anxiety, panic attacks, moodiness, separation anxiety, rage fits, phobias. Phobias. Like it's look, I'm not, I'm no doctor, but don't quote me on that. But like that's what I've experienced and that's What I've.

[Harry Hamlin]

I've learned, and it's certainly what we experience watching you, too. But keep.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yeah, but anyway, so they say that it happens mostly in children, and I am starting to have an issue with that because I'm not a child anymore. I'm 27, and I still suffer from these symptoms and these episodes. And I just think we need to bring awareness to that because it is so horrible. Like, having panic attacks out of nowhere is, like, the most debilitating thing. So I. Okay, so, for example, I was at the airport the other day, and I find that if I talk about my anxiety with people, it helps me. If I identify what I'm feeling, my feelings, that helps me. So. So I was talking to this guy at the airport, and I was like. He would ask me, how are you? I said, I'm having a lot of anxiety. He goes, you know, my daughter has a lot of anxiety, and I don't know what to do about it. And I was like, well, how old's your daughter? And he was like, she's six. And I just found that really interesting. I'm like, okay, she's 6. She's 6. And this started when I was, like, 8 and 11. So I'm like, ugh, I really feel for this guy. And he's like, I just don't know what to do about it. And I was like, from what I've learned, obviously I have trauma surrounding how you guys dealt with it. Obviously, you don't know how to deal with something like this. No one knows how to deal with something.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like a sudden. It was a Wednesday in February. You were coming home on the bus from school, and you lost it on the bus. That's what we were told. And you came home, and you were not Delilah anymore. You were another human being entirely, and you could not allow it to get dark. These phobias.

[Delilah Hamlin]

It was so strange. I would cry and get so scared when the sun started going down. And it's the weirdest thing because it's, like, in your chest. It feels like a ptsd, like you go into fight or flight. It's the weirdest feeling.

[Harry Hamlin]

I've never had a panic attack, so I don't know what it's like. But I've witnessed you having them, and it is scary. Really scary.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And so really, you know, the. The thing I would say is, like, you know, going back to trauma and everything. I think it's really important for the parents of a kid that's, like, struggling with something like this or just having symptoms like this out of nowhere, regardless of if it's pans, pandas, if it's autism, I don't know. Whatever it is, I think the biggest thing is for the parent to validate that kid's feelings instead of making them feel crazy. I think that's really important because that will stick with them, you know?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, it's very easy for the parent in that situation. And we did this.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Obviously, you're not gonna know how to deal with it.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, I would say, but, Delilah, everything's okay. It's just night. It was night last night. You were fine. Everything's okay for you. It wasn't okay at all. There's no way that we could get you to calm down because. And you wouldn't go in a car, so we couldn't get you to a doctor to diagnose it because you wouldn't get in the car. And I tried.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Or an elevator or.

[Harry Hamlin]

Or you would not get. Well. We had to get to the elevator first. And he got to get you in the car to get to the elevator. I thought of tying you up. We would get halfway down the street, and you would open the car door. Even if you had the seatbelt on, you'd open the car door and jump out.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And, you know, I forgot about all of this. So that's the crazy thing is I've forgotten about all this until recently in therapy. I'm trying to figure out why all I'm having all these phobias. Well, really, why I'm having one phobia. I have emetophobia, which is the fear of vomit. A lot of my friends have this, and it's really strange that a lot of my friends have this. But I'm just. I'm so interested now in, like, researching all of these topics because I'm like, what is going on? And why do so many people have panic attacks? So many people have so much fear right now. So I've been researching that heavily.

[Harry Hamlin]

So how does the cell phone interface with that in the research you've done? Like, social media and the ability to, like, scroll for hours on TikTok and go down these rabbit holes. Does that have something to do with it, do you think?

[Delilah Hamlin]

With that? I don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

There seems to be a lot of people talking about that now. They're saying, well, you know, you're one of the first generations to grow up with tablets and computers and have it all the way through. And also, you're a generation that people talk about having more anxiety now and sort of PTSD and all these things. And Auto, you know, the people, the kids take Ritalin and Adderall.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Adderall, everyone. You know, there's a shortage of Adderall right now. No one can. No one can. Is able to get there.

[Harry Hamlin]

There's too much Adderall. Too many people need it. Really?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

I did not know that.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I'm seeing people, like, asking people for. Yeah, how odd is this? Because, look, if I took Adderall, I would get so much done. I would be unstoppable, Dad. I would be the biggest pop star in the world already. Like, if I'm the Adderall.

[Harry Hamlin]

If you took.

[Delilah Hamlin]

So it's like a cheat code.

[Harry Hamlin]

It is like, it's a hack, right?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. So, yeah, I would love to. Don't do it. Don't do it. You don't need to do it, you know, because you'll. You'll end up, like, all jittery and addicted to speed and shit.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Like, jittery.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Well, then don't go there. So, getting back to Pandas, Tell me. Yeah. So what did it feel like when you first. When you were sort of going crazy, when you and wouldn't get in the car and wouldn't get into an elevator, Were you aware of it happening or were you unaware and just panicked all the time?

[Delilah Hamlin]

That's all you can think about.

[Harry Hamlin]

All you can think about.

[Delilah Hamlin]

All you can think about is, when am I going to have the next panic attack? When am I going to feel safe? It's like it takes over your mind. I'm not myself anymore. When you say when you went crazy, going back to trauma, that's something that I would encourage parents. If your kids are feeling this way, don't use words like crazy and like, you know, try and validate things.

[Harry Hamlin]

Be like, that's good.

[Delilah Hamlin]

You know, be like, I. I can see that you're not, like, how can I help? How can I help you? Regulate. Because when you're in that state, you're not able to self regulate. You need co regulation. And then that leads to being codependent in relationships later on in life. And like, that's what I'm starting to learn in therapy is like, and why I feel trapped in a car, why I have claustrophobia on planes, why I get scared in, you know, big crowds, because I need to feel like I'm in control. It's a whole thing.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but it sounds to me like your awareness of it has you way ahead of the game. I mean, you're.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But then that's all you think about.

[Harry Hamlin]

All I think about but doesn't that then the fact that that's all you think about, doesn't that create the next panic attack?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

See, it's kind of, it's a self affecting myself.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Like I'm in hypnosis, like the other day also. Yeah. This is the weirdest thing though is every so many people have anxiety and panic attacks. You wouldn't know. Like I said, it helps me to, to talk about it. So I was in the car on the way to the airport because I've been having so much anxiety going to airports recently, like panic attacks. Every time I go to the airport and I was asking, I told the guy, the driver, I was like, I'm having a panic attack right now. And he goes, I can tell, I have panic attacks too. This car is driving itself right now because I have so much panic in traffic.

[Harry Hamlin]

What?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

So he puts it on auto drive.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes. And I'm like, I'm like, what do you mean? Like, how is it that so many people are having what I'm. What I'm having? I think it's so important to talk about how you feel and not keep it in. And that's why I also love TikTok, because you can find like people that are struggling with similar things. I think that's really important to find a community in this.

[Harry Hamlin]

So in your estimation, what would you say? I mean, if you take a guess, what, what's. What's at the bottom of it? What, what's causing all this panic going on right now? Because you said it's happening to a lot of people. Is it what's going on in the world? Is it the social media aspect of it? Do you think so?

[Delilah Hamlin]

I'm trying to figure this out. I think it's an immune response. I think it's a histamine response. It's a whole thing. I've done a lot of research on it.

[Harry Hamlin]

So do you think it has much more to do with just the physical impact of having strep when you're a kid and your immune system isn't ready for it much more than. I mean, I'm talking about pandas now, not just. And panic attacks associated with pandas. I'm not just talking about like the random anxiety that kids have out there now. And a lot of people say it's from the social media.

[Delilah Hamlin]

That I would say is probably from our society.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but this. Pandas is real and serious when it's.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Look, I'm not saying anxiety is not serious, but anxiety is like, look, I think everyone has general Generalized anxiety. And I think there's a misconception within, like, people throw around the word anxiety so easily. They're just like, oh, my God, I'm so anxious right now. And it's like, girl, if only you. And I would never wish a panic attack on anyone. And I'm like, if only you had this. Like, oh. Anyways, my panic attack started back up in February of this year after I got the flu and bronchitis. And that's why I really think it has to do with, like, viral infections. I don't think it's just in children. I think it's just like, we need to. We need to research this more. And, like, that's something I want to do with my life, is research that. Because if I didn't have this, I would also be unstoppable. God knew. God was like, we have to give this girl this, or else she would.

[Harry Hamlin]

Be, like, an impediment.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Too amazing.

[Harry Hamlin]

Or you'd be too amazing.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Like, she would just be, like, too amazing if we. If we didn't give her pandas.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so now you've got pandas, but you're still amazing. I know, but what's. What is. What is too amazing?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Like, you just can't handle it because I'm too amazing.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I understand, you know, because I.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Know what I'm saying.

[Harry Hamlin]

I kind of do know what you're saying, because, you know, I was offered the opportunity to become a huge, huge star with contract from big studios and stuff. And I didn't want to be beholden to people. I didn't want to be. I didn't want to. I didn't want to get too far out because I thought maybe I go off the rails if I went too far, if I got too famous and I got too busy and. And was also beholden to a studio that I would not. I would be very, very unhappy about that. I saw that in my head, which is why I didn't go down that road. But you. You're still, like, killing it out there.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But do you think that's a control thing?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, it's probably control. I mean, I didn't want to be out of control. I did not want to have somebody else be in control of me. If you sign a contract with the studio, they're in control of you.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Interesting.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, they own you. They'll tell you what to wear. They'll tell you where to go, what to say, how to say it, who to date. I mean, all this stuff. I mean, they were doing it less and Less and less in the 70s when I was offered this contract. But back in the 40s and 50s, if you were under contract to a studio, you did what they told you to do, and that was it. And you did the movies they told you to do. You didn't do anything else.

[Delilah Hamlin]

See, I feel like in our family, control is a big. Is a big thing.

[Harry Hamlin]

We like to tell me.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I don't know, I'm thinking right now as I. As I'm speaking, I feel as though, like, I think generational trauma, or whatever you want to call it, gets passed down. Like, how you feel gets. I can sense it gets passed down. I don't even know how to explain it.

[Harry Hamlin]

You absorb it, you absorb it, you absorb it, but in so many different.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Ways, and it's very subconscious. So I'm reading this book. It's about the female archetypes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, cool.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And the. The way it's explaining, like, a relationship with your father figure or with your family members and how just they perceive things and like, how they react to things that can really impact your. Your inner feminine.

[Harry Hamlin]

And. And do you remember any specific examples about, as you were growing up, when maybe we didn't respond the right way to what was going on in your life and you absorbed or absorbed whatever you absorbed from me?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Well, maybe just you even saying that, like, you wanted to be in control, maybe I could feel like, okay, control is something that is needed in this household. Okay. Therefore, like, I also need to be in control. Maybe that's why I have a fear of vomit. Because you're not in control.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's true.

[Delilah Hamlin]

You know, so it's just little things like that. Like, I really psychoanalyze. Yes. I psychoanalyze a lot of things like that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because you're, you know, it's. It's vomit to. When you vomit, you, You. You vomit because your body's trying to expel some kind of poison that's in your system that it doesn't want in there.

[Delilah Hamlin]

You guys, I don't think you were ready for this combo. No, it's not. I don't think you're ready for this.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's a good combo, you know, because I'll never forget when your mom and I were in. Doing Chicago in New York on Broadway. We went and we had an apartment on the west side near the park.

[Delilah Hamlin]

No, like, oof. This is when it started for me.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Do you want to describe that experience a little bit about what the. How that vomit thing started with you? Because I remember.

[Delilah Hamlin]

So cute.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's Your experience?

[Delilah Hamlin]

The cutest. She. We were walking and she goes, oh, my God, Delilah, look. And I look and there's this man vomiting in Central Park. And I'm like, obviously, like, you wouldn't think anything of this. You'd just be like, oh, like, poor guy. Or I don't know, like. But I'm young. So I figured this out in therapy. I'm young. At this point, you guys, obviously you did nothing wrong. You didn't know you were impacting me this way. But, you know, you guys going and doing Broadway and then we're taken out of school. You know, our reality has shifted and, you know, it's not necessarily, like, safe anymore. We're living with, you know, mostly we're with the nanny, which we loved her, but still, it's not like your parents. And so there's that element of like, not feeling safe. So when something happens, like traumatic, like someone throwing up or something scary, anything happens. And you can associate that with not feeling safe, because I was already not maybe not feeling safe in the environment, even though I was safe inherently. You know what I mean? Like, I was with the nanny. Like, I was safe. Maybe I just wasn't feeling it.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we were living in New York.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Then I associate. Yeah. And then it's just basically like you're associating things with feelings and that's how the phobia kind of.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that was. Was that the first day you remember about. About vomit and how.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And yes, and it wasn't just him. Ew. We were also playing, like in the water park and like these kids were throwing up. I still remember the smell. Oh, my God.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And it was like all watery and like we were stepping on it anyways.

[Harry Hamlin]

So is it an accumulation thing?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Oh, my God. Wait. And then that night we were watching the sandlot and there's like a whole throw up scene in the sandlot. So it was a whole thing.

[Harry Hamlin]

The sandlot? What's that?

[Delilah Hamlin]

It's a movie.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really? And in that movie there was also. Oh, my God. So you got a double whammy there.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But then I was crying because you guys, I was feeling really unsafe and you guys weren't there. You guys were obviously, like, working and. Yeah, it's just.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's just feeling unsure the second half of it. So it kind of got reinforced by seeing a movie that night.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Oh, my God. I'm really giving you guys all the tea. And then what was to calm me down was Emma, our nanny at the time, gave me Rescue Remedy. What's in Rescue Remedy? Alcohol? Yeah, girl. So I'm like. Then I'm like, okay, so what do you do when you're anxious? What do you do when you're feeling unsafe? What do you do when you don't want to feel these feelings? You take something or you drink?

[Harry Hamlin]

Huh?

[Delilah Hamlin]

I'm sober.

[Harry Hamlin]

And how did that manifest at the time, though?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Did I was like. I was like trying to find that bottle and, like, trying to drink the rescue remedy. Are you kidding me? Oh, I was so scared.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember it's a little tiny bottle like that. We used to have them all over the place. You were drinking them?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, wow.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes, guys. I was like.

[Harry Hamlin]

And could you get enough to actually feel something from it?

[Delilah Hamlin]

No, not really.

[Harry Hamlin]

I doubt it. But. But you thought in your head that it was helping.

[Delilah Hamlin]

You're like placebo. You're like, oh, someone. Someone of authority told me that this will calm me down.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right, right, right.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Anyways, that's how. That's how things transpire.

[Harry Hamlin]

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[Delilah Hamlin]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[Delilah Hamlin]

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[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but you weren't that messed up. You were kind of starting.

[Delilah Hamlin]

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[Harry Hamlin]

I remember you saying, I think I need to go. And we.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And it was the best decision of my life. No one forced me to go. I was like, I want to go. And I'm so lucky that you guys, like, could afford it at the time, and, like, you know, help me. Help me through it. But I love it. Well, of course, you, like, now, looking back, I'm like, in retrospect, you want to go back? I want to open a rehab one day.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, well, did you know that? Well, apparently, they're very lucrative. You get a big house, and you can make a lot of dough that way. But.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Well, it's not really for that reason, but, like. Yeah, like, that's just like.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but I was so proud of you when you came to that realization that you needed some help. And you'd had a very tough time all through your adolescence. In your. In school, you had sibo also, which is a small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. You know, so, you know, I mean, if you want to talk about it, you could talk about how the fear of the vomit.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yeah. How cute. I literally had a. Okay. Also, how ironic. Okay, yeah, so I had a fear of vomit. Then I get, like, some stomach infection, and it's just, like, the worst thing ever. Hot girls have tummy problems. You know what I mean? It's like a thing, really.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, it's a thing.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But no, so of course. How ironic. I have a fear, but then I get something that, like, is going to make you throw up and, like, not feel good. So, you know, I've really been tested in my lifetime, and then I get a French bulldog who has so many issues, and what does she do? She throws up every day.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's true. She does. She eats her food and throws up and then eats it again. I know that's true.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Thank you, dad.

[Harry Hamlin]

French bulldogs have a very interesting kind of thing, Right? They're not born, they have to be taken out by cesarean section. And insurance doesn't cover anything genetic. And all the problems they have are genetic. So you might pay, you know, a thousand bucks for a great French bulldog, which is a lot of money to begin with. Then just to keep them alive can cost, you know, up to 50, $60,000.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Like 200,000 or something. It's like, really?

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't know. But anyway, so you had. You were challenged. You had Sibo. And I'll never forget, you know, we had to take you out of school in the middle of the week because you were at a girls school and you were a singer. You were on the acapella team. And because of your acapella solo, that team got into the nationals for the first time ever.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Oh, my God. I forgot about this.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right. And. And you. And you were the. You were the. The star of the acapella team. And before you were able to go to do the nationals, they kicked you off the team. They kicked you off the team, which is why I took you out of the school, because you were the star of that. And they went to the nationals. You sat in the audience and watched. They wouldn't allow you to be up on stage with the other girls on the team.

[Delilah Hamlin]

The fact that I don't remember this is crazy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, well, because.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And that goes into my self esteem issues. Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I'm gonna talk about that in therapy.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think self esteem is a huge.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Wait. Keep going. What?

[Harry Hamlin]

And so, yeah, so the. The head of the school, not me, not remembering, headed the school. I'll never forget. I was in Muskoka, and I was driving through the parking lot at Home Depot. It was pouring rain. And I was talking to the headmaster of the school, and I said, you can't. You've got to let Delilah go to the nationals. You've got to keep her on the team.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Why? Because I was sick?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, you had missed a rehearsal because you were in the bathroom doubled over in a fetal position. And because you missed that rehearsal, they kicked you off the team. And I said to her, she only missed the rehearsal because she has this condition. And I sent her notes from the doctor and they said, I'm sorry, if you're on the acapella team, you cannot miss a rehearsal no matter what.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Well, but then, you know, then that started to bleed into my life. And the. I. I stopped modeling because I was. It probably was subconsciously that, like, look, I'm not able to do it, so they're going to kick me off anyways. I may as well just like quit for a moment. Do you know what I mean?

[Harry Hamlin]

It messed you up. But I took you out in the middle of the week and put you in kind of homeschooling situation. Do you remember where you went every day? To an office building.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I quite liked that. I really liked that.

[Harry Hamlin]

But you got into nyu. You got into the school you wanted to go to.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I did.

[Harry Hamlin]

So it wasn't a problem academically for you. As a matter of fact, I think you learned tremendous amount more in being homeschooled for your senior year than you would have Learned if you'd stayed there at the girls school, which was a terrible school. Oh, my God. And the fact that they wouldn't support you, and even though they saw how talented you were as a singer, and it's. The only reason they got into the finals was your solo.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But, you guys, this is what I'm talking about with trauma. Like, it goes so deep and it's so subconscious, and it really blocks you from doing things in life. Like, it makes you stop yourself from doing things. Because if. If you sit and psychoanalyze this whole conversation, like, everything you're saying has. There's a reason why I do what I do now.

[Harry Hamlin]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But how crazy that I forgot about that. Like, my brain blocked that out. And subconsciously I've been doing things to, like, get in, like, stop myself from my full potential.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wow.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Well, yeah, my mind thinks a lot.

[Harry Hamlin]

Do you think that you are now in a position to reach your full potential?

[Delilah Hamlin]

100%.

[Harry Hamlin]

100%.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I know that I do struggle with health issues, but you know what? Everyone's. We're only human. And what I think is so powerful is when people are vulnerable. Like Halsey, for example. I don't know if you know Halsey, she's a singer. And I don't. I don't. I don't have the 100%, the facts, but she got really sick, and she is really sick. But she's, like, touring, but she posts, you know, two weeks before touring, she's bedridden on IVs, and then she pulls it together. Do you know how hard it is to pull it together? Like, if you haven't been there, like, you don't know the mental and the physical of, like, having to pull it together so that people are not disappointed in you and you're not disappointed in yourself. It's hard, but I think it's so great that she's vulnerable. And, like, I want to be able to be vulnerable with people and be like, you can still achieve your goals and your dreams, even if you're not, like, what people want you to be.

[Harry Hamlin]

So how do you do that? What. What. How do you gird yourself and get yourself to get out there and to press through it when. When, you know, there's part of you saying, I can't do it. I can't do it. I'm too scared or too much panic, whatever. And then there's another part of you that actually pushes through it and gets to the other side. So what does that feel like?

[Delilah Hamlin]

It's really. It's really Hard, really. But once you do it. Okay, for me, even going to the airport the other day, okay, I was so scared to go to the airport.

[Harry Hamlin]

Was just scared of flying or just now it's.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I'm scared of having a panic attack. It's. Panic attacks are so uncomfortable. I'm scared of having a panic.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that gives you a panic attack? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But. So I'm, like, scared of having one. And I know I'm. I have to go to the airport. I know I have to get on a plane, but once you do it and push yourself and then you accomplish it, it's like, okay, I've accomplished a goal. I got home, and my nervous system, I completely broke down, like, all day yesterday. I just had to, like, be in bed because I was not okay. My nervous system was so messed up from that. But once you do it, then you know that, like, you can keep pushing through, you can keep doing it, but it's hard. And you also. You don't want to let people. I don't want to let people down. Like, I don't want to let modeling agents. I don't want to let anyone down. Like, the other day on the Vogue shoot, I was so fucking sick, I had to take steroids to get through the day because I got some weird virus and cayman. And, you know, I try not to complain. You guys always taught me, like, you know, don't complain. Just, like, push through. So I just try to do that, but it's really hard. And, like, I just don't want to disappoint anyone, you know?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, so I just do it. I've seen you push through those. In those moments, and you always do. And you'll go to the studio and you'll. You'll cut an amazing song, even though, as you were arriving at the studio, you were having a panic attack.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then you'll. And when you'll cut this amazing song, you know, so it's possible to push through these things. Do you envision a time when you'll never have to deal with it again? With panic attacks or anything like that?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Well, yes, because. I don't know. I don't want to say they're cyclical, but, like, they do come and go. Like, there are years where I don't have panic attacks.

[Harry Hamlin]

Does it have to, do you think, with getting an infection?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yeah, I really do, because there are years that I was so good. I miss those times. They'll come back. It's fine. But, like. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

And how do you account for the years when you didn't have any panic attacks. Is there some reason you didn't, do you think? Or is it just luck of the draw? You didn't get sick, you didn't get it?

[Delilah Hamlin]

I think it's luck of the draw, honestly. Same. Oh, I don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wow.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Still researching.

[Harry Hamlin]

So now you're, you're, you. How many songs do you have under your belt now?

[Delilah Hamlin]

So now I'm working with this amazing producer, Elise, and we're just kind of trying to like hone in on the sound. Cuz, you know, your sound is constantly changing. So we're just trying to like, figure out my sound and we're having so much fun with it. We have I don't know how many songs we have.

[Harry Hamlin]

Maybe dinner the other night with a guy who's a musician, also producer, and he's heard your music. And I, I explained to him that, that, you know, you had done some songs that were ballads and then you'd done some songs that were. Dan had dance beats in them and he goes, you know, she really needs to put her stake in the ground and figure out her sound, her voice. Is it. Does anybody else telling you this?

[Delilah Hamlin]

No. Yes. So but the issue. Yes, but you can.

[Harry Hamlin]

But I've. But I see artists who do all kinds of things. They do country, they do dance beats, they do ballads, they do it. But he was saying it's kind of.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Political in the sense that you like, you kind of need to like, start off with one thing and then you can branch out. Like, Miley has had different stages in her music career. Like, does that make sense?

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course it does.

[Delilah Hamlin]

So the thing. And you kind of want to be more commercial in the beginning and like, you want to. It's a whole thing. And it kind of sucks sometimes because it's like you want to just do what feels like creatively Right. And authentic to you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But then sometimes, like, you do have to change it up a bit. But I'm trying to be the most authentic me that I can be. And that's why it's taking me how many years. I started songwriting when I was 19 and I'm 27. You know, like, I really want it to be authentically me.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And really, like, I want to love it. Like, I listen to my own music. People ask me, what's your favorite song? And I'm like, mine?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, of course. Why not?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Why not? You know, So I got. That's what I. That's what I want.

[Harry Hamlin]

That one song that you played me recently, which were you do this Amazing vocal in it that I just love. You repeat it a couple of times. It's just an amazing moment. So, yeah, that's it.

[Delilah Hamlin]

That one.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's great. I love that tune.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But then you. You don't like the, like, overly produced songs, but, like, that song is in production right now. We're changing it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I love when I can understand the lyrics, when I can hear the lyrics, and there's not a lot of production in the background. When there's just the right mix of production and lyrics so I can hear them at the same time.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Get the beat but, girl, you don't understand the vibes.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, I don't understand the vibes. I'm not a. I'm not in. I'm not in your generation.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I don't understand the vibes.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's like, explain the vibes to me, you know?

[Delilah Hamlin]

You just don't. It's like there needs to be, like, a beat drop. There needs. It needs to be, like. It needs to give me, like, an oomph. Like, I need to, like, feel that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you feel it when you write your songs, right? You create that. You put that into the song.

[Delilah Hamlin]

And it takes a while to make a song because, like, I'm constantly, like, listening to it, and then I'm like, wait, maybe that would be cool. And then I hear other songs and I get inspiration from other. Other people, and I'm like, wait, that's so cool. I love that vibe. I'm not stealing, but I'm taking inspiration now.

[Harry Hamlin]

So if somebody wanted to hear one of your songs right now, how would they hear them? I mean, that. The song you did, the video for, Nothing Lasts Forever. That's available out there, right?

[Delilah Hamlin]

That's available. That isn't. That's a couple years ago. That's not my. That's not really my sound anymore. But still proud of her because that was, like, a version of Delilah that is so special to me.

[Harry Hamlin]

I love that version too, you know.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But it's not me now. So it's, like, kind of crazy. Like, I don't know. Art's crazy. Because then I look at that. I'm like, who is that?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, Well, I look at a movie that I made 40 years ago, and I go, who is that? But I kind of like the person that I was 40 years old, years ago. I like that person.

[Delilah Hamlin]

There's something about it that you're like, wow, I'm glad I got to capture that. But that was also crazy that I had a crazy seizure on on set of that music video.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes. We had to stop the music video and pay extra for the next day because we stopped. I had to go to the hospital. Very traumatic.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that was not just a panic attack. That was. No, no, panic attack was a seizure.

[Delilah Hamlin]

That was a seizure. It wasn't a panic attack.

[Harry Hamlin]

And how do you.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I wasn't having panic attacks back then.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Which is crazy because I wasn't even scared of having seizures. They just happened. And I was like, okay, it's happening now. I'm like, so afraid to, like, pass out and have a seizure. I'm like, so afraid.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you think that those seizures were caused by the pandas? Also something different.

[Delilah Hamlin]

That's a whole other route of investigation I need to go down.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Well, we've had so many doctors trying to look into it and find out what it is.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Don't worry, I'm gonna write a book. It's going to be super easy to find all these. All these facts, guys.

[Harry Hamlin]

Don't worry. I mean, you have a lot of information that you could impart to the rest of the world, Especially to parents whose kids are experiencing some of these same things.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Well, it sucks when you feel so helpless and hopeless and you don't know what you're. There's so much information out there and there's so many doctors. I'm like, I'd rather just hone in on it and help people figure it out.

[Harry Hamlin]

Do you find it helps when you're concentrating on your music? When you're totally involved in your music? Are you're not thinking about a panic attack then, are you? You're just so.

[Delilah Hamlin]

No, because I'm in alignment with myself. I'm like, doing what I'm meant to do. And also when I'm in a flow state like that, there's nothing else.

[Harry Hamlin]

Flow states. I love the idea of flow states.

[Delilah Hamlin]

It's like really a thing. But then that's the crazy part about also making music is like. And just being a creative. Sometimes you don't. You're not in that. You can't force it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

You know, if you're not in that state. Can't force it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Well, I've tried. I've written a couple songs. It's very hard to write songs.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But you've written. You have a great song. But it sounds like five minutes. There's so many lyrics. It's like a five minute long song.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, it's a whole story about a guy who's been left by a girl. Yeah. And when I wrote that Song after I played it to your mother, and she said, who's that about? Because I'm in the song. The lyrics are by a guy who's crying because his girl left him.

[Delilah Hamlin]

There's also that. And there's also that about making music that, like, your spouse, your significant others are kind of like, is that about me? Like, what's going on? And it's like, well, that's my art form. So there you go. You're just going to have to deal with it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess so. I mean, I play the guitar every day, and, you know, nobody listens to it. Even the dog doesn't listen to it anymore. She walks outside. But there's a part of me that goes, maybe somebody will walk into this room while I'm playing the guitar someday and say, that sounds really good. And you did that?

[Delilah Hamlin]

I do.

[Harry Hamlin]

One time.

[Delilah Hamlin]

What do you mean, not one time? I always do that twice.

[Harry Hamlin]

You said. I remember. Maybe you said it more, but you're the only person, of all the people in my life who said, that sounds really good. If I'm playing the guitar in the house, I mean, if I ever. If I play for other people, they enjoy it, and they'll tell me they enjoy it. But. But if I'm playing in the house, like, the dogs walk out of the room, you know, Lisa comes in, I'm playing, like, really banging away. I'm, like, wailing on the door.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yeah. With acrylic nails. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

And she. And she, like, comes in and does her thing and walks out, and I go, but wait a minute. Did you like it?

[Delilah Hamlin]

You need to dig deeper into that. You want to feel appreciated.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know. Well, I mean, I love Therapy with Delilah. Yeah. Therapy with Delilah. And maybe we can make some music together someday, too.

[Delilah Hamlin]

We. I. I made. I made a song to your song.

[Harry Hamlin]

You came close to one of the. I gave.

[Delilah Hamlin]

No, I have it, but I need to find it.

[Harry Hamlin]

You have the lyrics to that?

[Delilah Hamlin]

No, like, I fully have it somewhere with Jolene, when I used to write with her. I need to find it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Let's find that. Because, you know, I. I love the tune and the melody of that song that I gave you, but I. And I've tried to put lyrics to it a few times, and I get.

[Delilah Hamlin]

No, I made it cute. I need to find it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Huh? We're gonna do that. Okay. So for whatever reason, well, you've moved back into our house for a while. For a little while. I mean, it's so great having you back.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I know. Actually, when I first came in the door mom goes, I was going through a breakup, and I come through the door, and she goes, so, where are you gonna live? And I was like, what the fuck do you mean, where am I gonna live? I'm gonna live here. What are you talking about? Like, she's immediately setting the boundaries, like, nope, you're not staying here.

[Harry Hamlin]

Mom said that?

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're kidding.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Right at, like, right after my breakup walk in the door, she's like, so are you gonna live okay? She asked me if I was okay first. It's fine.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're living there now? You were in between apartments now, so. And this was now. She said, you can't live here now.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yeah, well, she. No, she didn't say I can't. She was just like, so where are you gonna live? Like, insinuating.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I was like, I think she was just expecting. You were gonna probably get your own place. Of course we would love to have you come and stay there and relive your childhood again. We'll take you. Look, you can live there until you're 80. Okay? I'll feed you every day.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Well, Dimitri's there, and Dimitri's there, too.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, yeah, everybody's in between apartments right now because his place burned down in Palisades. That's the problem there. But.

[Delilah Hamlin]

But, yeah, I'm moving. I'm just excited to, like, start fresh, start clean. Maybe I'll start a podcast. Who knows? Guys? Yeah, how about I kind of enjoy this.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

First podcast. Wow. Kind of love hearing myself talk. I'm kind of loving it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, anyway, what you're saying is very important for kids when. When. When a. When an adult, When a parent finds their. Sees that their kid has a passion for something, it's so great because so many kids grow up today, you without any passion, and they don't know what they're going to do. And they spend all their time. Time on Tik Tok, and they just kind of scroll all day long. And you have a passion. Amelia has a passion. And it's just so wonderful to watch, to see that you guys have a direction in your life. And I had a direction. Your mom had a direction. But I know a lot of kids who don't. You just kind of flounder around and then they end up getting really jobs that they hate, and they can't wait to retire. And, you know, I can't imagine retiring.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I think that makes. That makes me sad because a passion can just. Can be a hobby, too. Like, you can make a hobby a job do you know what I mean?

[Harry Hamlin]

Like, well, one ought to make a hobby.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Do you know, like, you can have passions in anything. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, if you end up doing what you love and people come up to me oftentimes and they say, how long have you been working? And I, I can say without equivocation, I've never worked a day in my life.

[Delilah Hamlin]

I know you do enjoy it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I enjoy whatever I'm doing. I wouldn't.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yeah. I don't feel like music's working. Modeling. That's a job, huh?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Delilah Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you're so good at both of them, so, I mean, I, I, I'm just so proud of you. I mean, Delilah Bell, you are an amazing human. You're also our kid, and I'm. You're going to be my kid forever. I'm sorry. It's just the way it goes. But I'm just so proud of you. And thank you so much for joining me in our podcast today. You have been such a light. Thank you. And thank you, everybody, for coming back to let's not talk about the Husband one more time.

[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

So see you next week.

[Lisa Rinna]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband.

[Delilah Hamlin]

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