Hey Andy Cohen, Here's What I REALLY Think...

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Let’s Not Talk About The Husband"
Episode Title: Hey Andy Cohen, Here's What I REALLY Think...
Hosts: Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin
Release Date: March 21, 2025

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Introduction

In this candid and engaging episode of "Let’s Not Talk About The Husband," hosts Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin dive deep into a range of personal and professional topics, blending humor with heartfelt reflections. The episode, titled "Hey Andy Cohen, Here's What I REALLY Think...," primarily revolves around Lisa’s interactions with Andy Cohen, her introspection on past roles, experiences with medication withdrawal, and insightful parenting anecdotes.

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Encounter with Andy Cohen

Lisa Rinna kicks off the episode by recounting her recent interaction with Andy Cohen during a Sirius Radio interview aimed at announcing their new podcast. She shares an unexpected and somewhat awkward experience that highlights the lingering dynamics from her reality TV days.

• Lisa (01:43): "I really went to announce the podcast. Right, right. And we thought that that would be a good thing."

During their conversation, Lisa reveals how an altercation in the elevator with a Sirius Radio employee set an unusual tone before her interview with Andy. This encounter serves as a springboard for deeper reflections on her past persona as a reality TV housewife.

• Lisa (05:01): "It was the weirdest moment and weirdest altercation I'd ever seen out of the world."

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Reflecting on the Housewife Persona

The episode delves into Lisa's realization of falling back into the "housewife" role she embodied for eight years on "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills." She discusses how this regression was subconscious and linked to her upbringing, likening Andy Cohen to a father figure.

• Lisa (10:37): "I fall back into a role that I played, I believe, for eight years, where I give my power to Andy Cohen, who is my boss."

• Harry (11:09): "Andy was Daddy."

This candid admission allows listeners to understand the complexities of maintaining one's true self amidst public personas and long-term professional relationships.

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Struggles with Medication: The Halcyon Withdrawal

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Lisa’s personal struggle with Halcyon—a sleep medication. She openly discusses her dependency, the resulting withdrawal symptoms, and the lessons learned from this challenging period.

• Lisa (20:45): "I took it for at least four weeks."

She illustrates the physical and psychological toll of withdrawal, highlighting symptoms like tingling hands, numbness, and obsessive-compulsive behaviors. Her honesty serves as a cautionary tale about the dangers of prolonged medication use and the importance of self-awareness.

• Harry (24:12): "You can't take it for more than, like, a week or two, right?"

• Lisa (25:17): "Tell them what happened to me. One of the things that happens, you get flu-like symptoms, then your hands are tingling and hot."

The discussion transitions into the broader implications of substance dependency, with both hosts sharing personal anecdotes and emphasizing the importance of seeking help and understanding one's limitations.

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Parenting Insights and Stories

Lisa and Harry transition to sharing their parenting philosophies and experiences. They discuss the challenges of guiding their children through adolescence, particularly concerning drug use and digital age pressures.

• Harry (31:45): "I know everybody experiments with drugs when they're growing up. I did."

• Lisa (34:14): "The kids were starting to do that [sexting]. If you send naked pictures, they are forever and it will ruin your life."

They highlight the mixed messages parents often face when their children look up to public figures who engage in controversial behaviors. Despite strict guidelines, they recognize the influence of societal trends and media on their children's choices.

• Lisa (35:25): "How do you not go, oh, well, my parents did it. Why can't we do it?"

Their anecdotes provide a relatable look into modern parenting dilemmas, emphasizing communication and setting clear boundaries.

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Light-Hearted Conversations: Haircuts and Fashion

Injecting humor into the episode, Harry announces an upcoming haircut, prompting playful banter between the hosts about grooming and fashion choices. This segment showcases their dynamic chemistry and ability to balance serious topics with light-hearted interactions.

• Harry (17:10): "I'm gonna have a new haircut. You really don't like my hair to be the length that it is right now."

• Lisa (18:00): "You need to keep trimmed up. They just do."

They also touch upon nostalgic references to True Religion jeans, reminiscing about fashion trends and their resurgence in modern styles, further enhancing the episode's entertaining aspect.

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Audience Engagement: Organ Donor Discussion

Midway through the episode, the hosts engage with listener topics, specifically discussing organ donation. This segment prompts both serious and humorous takes on the subject, blending informative dialogue with their trademark wit.

• Lisa (41:36): "I believe I am an organ donor. And if I'm not, I should be."

• Harry (42:08): "I wonder if that happens. Like, you got in a car accident today. Do not use her organs."

The conversation humorously touches on the macabre nature of organ donation while subtly addressing its importance, encouraging listeners to consider their own decisions regarding organ donation.

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Closing Remarks

As the episode winds down, Lisa and Harry reflect on their journey, emphasizing growth and self-awareness. They reiterate the importance of recognizing and overcoming past behaviors to continue evolving personally and professionally.

• Lisa (31:23): "I understand rebound. I understand all of it. Yeah, it's been rough, but it's getting better."

• Harry (33:49): "You get arrested three times for drugs, everybody thinks you must be a drug addict."

They conclude with a humorous yet heartfelt affirmation of their resilience and dedication to maintaining sobriety and a positive public image. The episode wraps up with invitations for listeners to engage via voicemails and social media, fostering a sense of community and ongoing dialogue.

• Lisa (45:34): "See you next time. Next week."

• Harry (46:15): "Until then, let's not talk about the husband."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Lisa (05:01): "It was the weirdest moment and weirdest altercation I'd ever seen out of the world."

• Lisa (10:37): "I fall back into a role that I played, I believe, for eight years, where I give my power to Andy Cohen, who is my boss."

• Harry (11:09): "Andy was Daddy."

• Lisa (20:45): "I took it for at least four weeks."

• Harry (24:12): "You can't take it for more than, like, a week or two, right?"

• Lisa (34:14): "The kids were starting to do that [sexting]. If you send naked pictures, they are forever and it will ruin your life."

• Harry (17:10): "I'm gonna have a new haircut. You really don't like my hair to be the length that it is right now."

• Lisa (41:36): "I believe I am an organ donor. And if I'm not, I should be."

• Harry (42:08): "I wonder if that happens. Like, you got in a car accident today. Do not use her organs."

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Conclusion

This episode of "Let’s Not Talk About The Husband" offers a multifaceted look into Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin's lives, blending personal struggles with professional insights. From confronting past personas and handling medication withdrawals to navigating modern parenting challenges and engaging in light-hearted banter, Lisa and Harry provide listeners with an authentic and entertaining experience. Their ability to balance humor with vulnerability ensures that the episode resonates deeply, offering both laughter and meaningful reflections.

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Connect with Lisa and Harry:

• Lisa Rinna: [Instagram - @sirinnaofficial], [TikTok - @sirinnaofficial]
• Harry Hamlin: [Instagram - @harryrhamlin]

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Transcript

[Lisa Rinna]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this is. Let's not talk about the husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been together for over 30 years, and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell. And on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Now, I hear that you have some interesting things to talk about today.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, because, you know, when you have those epiphany moments.

[Harry Hamlin]

No.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I do. I mean, I think to myself all the time. I talk to myself all the time.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yes, I know that you talk to yourself all the time. I hear voices. I'll be in the bathroom and I'll hear all these voices coming, and I'll come out and you're not on the phone, and, you know, there's nobody in the room, and it's just you gabbing away.

[Lisa Rinna]

You said, are you talking to me? I go, no. But I'm fully having a conversation with myself.

[Harry Hamlin]

You do? And they must be good combos, because they go on and on.

[Lisa Rinna]

I work so much shit out. I'm not kidding. Okay, so here's my moment that I had, and I just have to talk it through because we haven't talked about it. We kind of talked about it, but I came to something. No, don't be scared. It's not about you. Don't be scared. This is what I came to. So you know that I went to go and do Andy Cohen's radio show, Sirius Radio in New York, and I really went to announce the podcast. Right, right. And we thought that that would be a good thing. And when they first called, you know, I haven't seen Andy since the reunion. That's two and a half years. That's a long time.

[Harry Hamlin]

Where is this going? Is this going to be radioactive?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it's not. I'm gonna tell you exactly what I think happened to me in this moment. Yeah. Okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

So while you were talking to Andy.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let me just go back. Don't rush. Okay, listen. So we go to do the podcast, and it was about, you know, Fashion Week. They said, is Lisa gonna be in town for Fashion Week? To my publicist, Jeffrey, he said, yes. Well, would she want to come on? He calls me, he goes, what do you think? And I thought, well, it actually could be a good thing. You know, I haven't seen him in a long time. I've moved way on housewives and such. So I thought It'd be a good idea. We all thought it'd be a great place to announce the podcast.

[Harry Hamlin]

Why not? It's Andy Cohen. It's, you know, he's your old boss and it's the serious radio. Big audience. What the hell?

[Lisa Rinna]

Big housewife audience. Okay, so I had done Paris Fashion Week and then New York, a lot of it.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you killed it, by the way.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, thank you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Killed it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thank you, Mary. I mean, killed it. It is like me having an acting job every single day. And I get to express myself. So I love it so much. So during all of this in New.

[Harry Hamlin]

York, lots of attention too.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I love attention. You know that frickin love attention. Let's get to the brown here. Yeah, I love attention, but I also love to express myself that way.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you're about to express yourself on Andy Cohen's show.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I'd already done a few shows in New York. I'd done the Marc Jacobs show, and I'm having a real good time.

[Harry Hamlin]

When you say done the show, you sat front row. And did you walk in a show too?

[Lisa Rinna]

I did. I walked in the Jane Wade show. She's a young 29 year old designer who DM'd me on Instagram and said, we would love to have you walk in.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait a minute, she DMed you? That's how you got the gig? Yeah, she got it on YouTube.

[Lisa Rinna]

She DMed me. She's 29 years old and she said, I would love for you to walk in my show. And so I just went to her Instagram page. I actually had never heard of Jane Wade. I went to her Instagram page and I thought, wow, this girl's really talented. And so then I sent it to Jeffrey, my publicist, and I said, what do you think? And it didn't matter what he thought. Anyway, I was already gonna do it cause I thought she was talented. He said, I think she's great.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, good.

[Lisa Rinna]

And so I did it without knowing anything about her. And it was fabulous. It was so much fun to go and help these young people realize their dreams.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did you show me your walk? Have I seen that? Did I see your walk in that show or did you keep that to yourself?

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know if you've seen it. I'm gonna show you the show.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't think I've seen it. I would remember it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, big shoulders. It's like a big.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think I saw a photograph of the big shoulders and you were talking about how you couldn't get into a car or something. Like that.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's a different outfit. That's. That. That's the Victor and Ralph with the big.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, the huge thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

The one I look like. The clown. The clown esque. As our neighbor said, you look like a clown.

[Harry Hamlin]

Anyway, so you were in New York now.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, in New York. Gone to the Marc Jacobs show. Had time in my life. Anyway, on and on. So I go to Andy Cohen's. I walk in, we all. Okay, first of all, we have a little altercation in the elevator before we even get up to Andy.

[Harry Hamlin]

You and Andy?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, me and Jeffrey. So Jeffrey, my publicist is with me, and we get, you know those big, big buildings that Sirius Radio's in. You have to go. And they send you up in a certain elevator going to the floor.

[Harry Hamlin]

Exactly.

[Lisa Rinna]

So we're going to 36th floor. We get in, it's like, I don't know, 9, 30, 10 in the morning. And this woman comes in and Jeffrey just really nicely goes, oh, by the way, we're going up to 36, just in case you're not in the right elevator. And she looks at him and she goes, I don't need your help. I'm in the right. I don't need your help. I'm in the right elevator. What are you talking about? And Jeffrey said, oh, well, I just, you know, we're just going up in 36. And she went on in such an attacking way. I was dumbfounded. He was dumbfounded. And it turns out she worked at Sirius Radio, and when her went about her own way, and it was the weirdest moment and weirdest altercation I'd ever seen out of the world.

[Harry Hamlin]

But do you think she had a bone to pick with you or was she.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, not with. With life. I mean, clearly I had empathy for her because clearly she's a very unhappy woman and just needed to, like. She just was like, mind your own business. You're not the elevator cop.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, we were.

[Harry Hamlin]

So mind your own business. You're not the elevator cop.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, he literally was just being kind. So that's the first moment.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That sounds like some really weird energy.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was really weird energy. And it shook me a little bit, to be honest, because it was so aggressive for absolutely no reason. Absolutely no reason.

[Harry Hamlin]

That happens from time to time. You know, some people are just in so much fear that they have to lash out and act out in the moment or whatever. You meet people like that and you go, but wait a minute, just chill out. Take a chill pill.

[Lisa Rinna]

We were in an elevator, the three of Us. And at one point.

[Harry Hamlin]

And they're strangers, right? She's a stranger.

[Lisa Rinna]

Total stranger.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's so weird. Maybe she. Did she recognize you?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, but. But as she's sort of, you know, browbeating him, she looks over at me and she goes, oh, so she does recognize me in that moment, but after the fact, after she'd already assumed she's already done that. And then she looks at me for a minute and goes, oh. And I go, hi. And I go, just sending you love. That's what came out of my mouth.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, good for you. I'm sending you love. And she clocks me for a second, like, oh, oh, oh, I. You know, I know who she is, or I watch her or whatever. Then she goes right back to Jeffrey and starts in on him again.

[Harry Hamlin]

Maybe she thought he was somebody else. She was.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, no, no, no, no, no. He's a complete and utter stranger that she'd never seen. She didn't like him bossing her around and telling her what floor we were going to. He meant no malice. That's what was so frustrating. So that's the first moment we have. Go in the green room for a second. Anthony as producer comes in. Anthony used to be his producer on Watch what Happens Live. So I've known Anthony for years. Have a nice moment with Anthony. But we tell him about this woman that had this little moment with us. Anyway, takes us down to Andy and John. You know, John says co host, sidekick, who I've known for years. Anyway, sit down. And so the night before, I'd gone to see Erica in Chicago. Erika Jayne, Erika in Chicago playing Roxy. So much fun. I surprised her. And then I went backstage after, and she was talking to me, and she said, I just want to warn you that Andy is going to bring up when he sees you tomorrow on his show about you calling the show the Titanic. I go, what? I didn't even remember I'd said that, you know, on a podcast, because I started doing podcasts to promote our podcast. Are you following?

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm. I'm following you. So basically, podcasts are a minefield for you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, no doubt. Absolutely. Always happen. But. But I didn't really remember saying this. It was something I threw out and just didn't even. Like I didn't clock it.

[Harry Hamlin]

So were you talking about his show or the franchise sinking like a ship to the bottom of the ocean, or were you talking about moving deck chairs around on the Titanic as though that's a frustrating thing to do? Because in the end, we all sink.

[Lisa Rinna]

However, whatever interpretation you take of it.

[Harry Hamlin]

You basically said that Housewives is the Titanic.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, okay. Well, I can see how the producer of a show might think that. Well, that's a little, you know.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right. So she warns me about it, and I go, oh, gosh. Wow. Okay. I will address it with him immediately. And I will. Sounds like he's hurt. His feelings are hurt, and I'll apologize. So I knew it was coming, right? I go. First thing I say to him, gosh, I. You know what I hear? Erica told me that, you know, you didn't like that I said that about the Titanic. And, hey, if I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry. And he giggles and he goes, hi, guy. Wait, we're gonna talk about this on the radio.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, so you weren't on the air yet?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, ma'am.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you brought it up?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, sir.

[Harry Hamlin]

So what if you hadn't brought it up? Do you think it might have, like.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, he was already gonna bring it up. He just wanted me to save it for the radio. He was gonna go there. He was going there no matter what. So what I'm finally getting to after taking 20 fucking minutes to get to it? Maybe 15. Is this what happened to me, I believe is the minute I walked into that space, I fall into a trope of housewife to Big Daddy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait a minute. You're going to have to explain that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

A trope.

[Lisa Rinna]

First of all, I'm not even sure the trope is the right word.

[Harry Hamlin]

Trope of housewives.

[Lisa Rinna]

And, okay, so I fall back into a role that I played, I believe, for eight years, where I give my power to Andy Cohen, who is my boss. Just dynamically, that is where I went right back to. Almost like little girl going back to the role she plays in her family with Daddy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Andy was Daddy.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I always called him Big Daddy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I, in the moment, go into that role of. Because really, when he starts to talk to me about it, all I really needed to say was, yeah, so that's my opinion, and I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but that's my opinion. Like, really, that's all I needed to say. I didn't need to, like, tap dance and hem and haw and leak all over the place.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did you tap dance hem and haw and leak?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Uh, oh, I did.

[Harry Hamlin]

I didn't hear this broadcast, but I did.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then I finally kind of got myself back, and I went, yeah, no, I'm not gonna take that back. It's the Titanic. I said it. So now I figured it out. I Figured out I dropped into that role of playing that housewife to Big Daddy. And I just want to say that.

[Harry Hamlin]

So the point of this conversation that you're having with now is to say that you dropped back into a role that you had played for eight years on the show, but it wasn't really Lisa, it was really the role you had played.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it's Lisa being a housewife.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait a sec. So the reason you use the Titanic in the first place was because you thought that what, the show was going down. Sinking or what.

[Lisa Rinna]

I was on a podcast, like the Biggest Gay Ass Podcast or whatever it's called, and we were talking a lot about different things. This is always. They take things out of context. I don't remember exactly how we were talking about it, but I. As I shared with Andy, I have not watched the show since I left, but I have had the fans come up to me and express some things to me.

[Harry Hamlin]

So maybe like, saying that the show's not as good since you're not on it or something.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, they have a lot of things to say about it, and, you know, the Titanic was one of them.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you were basically parroting what someone else had already said. Okay, yes, a little bit. Like reposting something.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, not really. I mean, I wouldn't have said it if I didn't, you know, agree in some way. But what I really realized, and what I'm trying to say is think about. In life, when you go back into situations that maybe, you know, either held trauma or you have a reaction in some way, I was able to clock it and look at my reaction in the moment and how I really took on a different role than I am right now. Two and a half years later, I'm in a different place, but I reverted back to that old place. Does that make sense?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, it does. And where is this leading? Where is it going?

[Lisa Rinna]

I just wanted to talk about it because I think a lot of people probably have these moments in their lives where their subconscious doesn't really realize it until you get out of that situation and you go, that is. I was acting out of a place that I wasn't necessarily in control of. I just dropped back into what was the. What the roles were in that.

[Harry Hamlin]

And how do you feel about having done that? Do you feel as though. Did you, like, step in something that was icky when you were.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I didn't feel good about it, no. Because I think when you've moved beyond and you've grown from a certain situation and you go back, let's Say if you just go back to your home, you go back to your family, haven't seen your family in a while, and you go back and you drop into the old kind of patterns.

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course you will. I mean, everybody does that. I mean, if you. If you grow up in a household and then you go off and you go to college and you get a job, whenever you go back home, you're gonna fall back into the role that you were playing when you were younger.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's what I'm trying to say. I had a moment like that, and I. You know, my parents have passed, and I haven't. My mom passed three years ago, so I haven't gone home for three years and had those moments, but I hadn't had a moment like this since then.

[Harry Hamlin]

So. Do you regret having had that moment? Do you think that, you know.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, no, I don't regret it. It was a learning experience for me to see that I'm still. I still can be affected.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

In that realm.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so good. So you were affected, and now you're kind of coming clean with it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I just. I'm coming clean with it in the sense that I. I came to the realization of what happened, and this is. For me, this has nothing to do with Andy. I. I don't know what Andy felt and how he was, but this is.

[Harry Hamlin]

How did it go, by the way? Did it. Did it go okay with Andy?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, we had a good time. We had fun. I mean, he was kind of a stinger missile on that. Like, he really kind of wanted to.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I can see why. I mean, if somebody came to me, if I produced a show and somebody came to me and said, oh, by the way, you know, I think your show is like the Titanic, I would go, okay, that's a problem. Why? And are you sure? And where are you getting this?

[Lisa Rinna]

I said, it's my opinion, anyway, this will get a lot of play, I'm sure. But I think it was just really important for me to see that I dropped into that role really quickly, subconsciously, fast. Boom. Okay, well, and then I'm fine now. I mean, I was there for 30 minutes. But I think it's really fascinating how quickly I went back to that, and I just wanted to talk about it. I didn't talk about it, we. With anybody.

[Harry Hamlin]

No. It would have been pillow talk for us since we're married and we sleep in the same bed. But it didn't. Didn't come up over the pillow because.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just figured it out, and I thought, I'm going to tell him on the podcast. All right, I'm going to share with him.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I am so glad to know that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you ever have those moments where you drop into a role? Have you had one of those recently?

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm sure that I have. You know, the parental thing. I haven't had any parents for many, many, many, many, many years, so that's not an issue for me. But, yeah, there probably are times when I revert back. I can't think of one right now, but there probably are times when I do that. But, yeah. So what's the other thing you were going to talk about today?

[Lisa Rinna]

Did I have another thing?

[Harry Hamlin]

You said you were two things you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wanted to talk about. Well, do you have anything to talk about?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I'm going to tell you that you're going to be really happy tomorrow afternoon about this time because I'm going to have a new haircut.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, great.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. See, the thing is, you really don't like my hair to be the length that it is right now.

[Lisa Rinna]

This is.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is when I love it. This is my favorite moment in my hair thing. I mean, I was a hippie for so many years. I had really long hair for many years. And whenever I get a chance to grow my hair during the pandemic, grew my hair down below my shoulders again. Loved that.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I was really great about it. I was so great about it. I just let you do it.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I'm gonna look. What? Don't the kids call me a horse after this haircut? They say I look like a horse.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't recall that. I don't recall the horse.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's the horse.

[Lisa Rinna]

Look. You look 20 years younger.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like a young horse. Like a filly. Like a young or young pinto or something.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love your hair like this. It's so cute. It's. You know, another thing I love because he'll cut all. He'll cut your eyebrows. He does like, a real good male grooming on you. And it's good because, you know, those eyebrows grow and it's like, yeah, I.

[Harry Hamlin]

Need a hose down right now.

[Lisa Rinna]

So it's your kind of hose down that, you know, men need to keep trimmed up. They just do.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Men need to get their ears.

[Harry Hamlin]

I can't trim because itches too much. If I'd like, I trim my chest hairs or if I trim down there, like, I, you know, I'm crazed.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have you ever waxed it down there?

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, no, no.

[Lisa Rinna]

How much would we have to pay you to wax your pubes?

[Harry Hamlin]

Seven figures.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, really?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I mean, A lot.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow. Well, the good news is you're not that hairy. Like, you don't have, like, a bunch of hair all over your back and stuff. I appreciate that.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, no hair in my feet either.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're not that. You're not a hairy being. You're not a hairy, hairy being, but your eyebrows do get out of control.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, as you get older, your eyebrows tend to grow. I mean, they say that your fingernails and your eyebrows grow after you die.

[Lisa Rinna]

They do?

[Harry Hamlin]

That's what I hear. I don't know.

[Lisa Rinna]

And your nose and your ears get bigger when you get older, and I don't think that's fair for everybody.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, my ears get bigger.

[Lisa Rinna]

Everybody's ears and nose gets bigger. Oh, I don't think that's quite right.

[Harry Hamlin]

And your lips get smaller, your ears get bigger, your nose gets bigger, and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Your body shrinks and you get a hunchback.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh. And then you die. Okay, so I got a lot to look forward to here.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God.

[C]

You guys. I'm Gabby. Wendy, your host of Long Winded. You may or may not know me, emphasis on may not. But I did have 26 boyfriends not too long ago and tragically lost Dancing with the Stars. And now I'm back with a more freeing and liberating platform than ever, which, honestly, might make you sorry. Anyways, with all of this under my belt, naturally I do have some shit to say. In my very sweet soft voice and public school education, I'll discuss girly topics with a bit of cheek. Topics like gaslighting. Die for it. Internalized misogyny. One of my faves. Honestly. And the depths of the dark dating world. I will beg you again and again to come and listen. But most of all, I hope you enjoy.

[Lisa Rinna]

All right, so we're going to continue the halcyon journey. We have to still talk about it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess so.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, we have to talk about it because.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, well, so what's the latest in. You know, Because. So as you said on another podcast, you went to Europe, you were going to all these shows, you were doing all this stuff, and you couldn't sleep that well, so you took me to sleep.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I always take something when I go to Europe for, like, maybe five days because I don't do well with jet lag. And you gotta get. You know, when you're working, like when I was doing Housewives, you gotta get right on the program. So, you know, you take something. You take something on the plane. You take something when you're sleeping at night. So I had always Taken either a Restoril or an Ambien.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, yeah, but the Halcyon thing. Because I remember Halcyon back in the 90s. In the 80s and the 90s, actually, my ex used to take Halcyon. And she went on location one time.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think you should tell this story.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so she went on location one time. She was working somewhere, and she went back to her hotel room and called me up, and we were having a nice conversation. She said, I've just ordered some tomato soup. But she said, I'm just taking a Halcyon, so I might get a little. My words might slur a little bit or whatever. And I'm talking to her on the phone, we're talking away, and all of a sudden she just nods off and stops talking to me. And I said, wait, wait. Hello? Hello? Hello, Hello, Hello. Couldn't get her back on the phone. And then I got nervous. I called back the hotel and the line was busy. Called back, line busy, line busy. And I finally called the hotel. I got to the front desk and I said, wait, wait a minute, you guys. I think something's happened. She's not answering the phone. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And so they go. And then they call me back and they say, we think there's a problem. We've looked through the window, and there's looks like blood all over her. And what she had done is, like in the middle of a conversation with me, she had fallen asleep and spilled the tomato soup all over her. So the hotel guys freaked out when.

[Lisa Rinna]

They looked through the window, had blood all over her.

[Harry Hamlin]

They thought she was covered with blood when it actually was just. It was just tomato soup. But that was the first time I'd ever heard of Halcyon. And then there was an article, I think in 1991, a cover cover of Newsweek or Time or something, where they said, the nightmare of Halcyon.

[Lisa Rinna]

Halcyon nightmare.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

All right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So why are they still prescribing that drug?

[Lisa Rinna]

Here's what happened. A friend of mine had some Halcyon, took some Halcyon and said, this is great. It doesn't make you groggy. You take it. It's great. I said, I like to try that. It sounds great. But I didn't really know about Halcyon. Call my doctor. She goes, well, we don't really prescribe that anymore, but I'll prescribe a little bit, and if you just take a little bit, you'll be fine. But you can't take it for more than, like, a week or Two, you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Can only take it for a few days at a time, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. They say just you. Just like I said, I'll just take it five days in a row. That's it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but how can people do. You can't sleep. If you're. If you're traveling and you're having trouble.

[Lisa Rinna]

Sleeping, you have to take.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're going to take something every night.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right, While you're traveling, but usually home in six days. So it was never a problem. But here's where it became a problem. I went. We went to Cayman, I went to Paris, I went to New York. I took it the whole time. Okay, because what happened. Also cut to, when I was in New York, I got that sinus infection. I think I mentioned this last week. Went to my doctor, gave me my steroids, gave me the prednisone. I can never sleep on prednisone. You're like.

[Harry Hamlin]

And the prednisone. Why would you. That's a steroid. Why would you steal.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because I was so swollen, my sinuses were so inflamed.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh.

[Lisa Rinna]

So she gave me that, and I said, you know, I've got my Halcyon, but I'm almost out. Can you just give me enough to get through the prednisone? So she did, but then it just made me take it more, right? So cut to. I'm just feeling terrible, right? I feel awful. And I go, what have I taken in the last month? Like a new vitamin, a new anything. Like, I go down my list. Only thing that's new in my life is Halcyon. I go, you know what? This is too good to be true. I can sleep so easily. I wake up, I'm not groggy, but I feel like shit. I'm gonna stop taking this right now.

[Harry Hamlin]

You mean the halcyone was working so well? It seemed to be too good to be true. Yeah. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because nothing's there.

[Harry Hamlin]

But it is too good to be true because now you're paying the price big time for that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm so in withdrawals. Because you can't just stop cold turkey.

[Harry Hamlin]

Obviously you can't. I mean, I've been dealing with this for a couple of weeks now, and so.

[Lisa Rinna]

Tell them what happened to me. One of the things that happens, you get. Get, like, flu, like, symptoms, right? And then all of a sudden, my hands are tingling and hot. Remember, I'd show you my hands. They'd be hot.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, your hands would be all red. Red and hot and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, my jaw's throbbing.

[Harry Hamlin]

Your jaw's throbbing? You said you couldn't feel your face anymore.

[Lisa Rinna]

I couldn't feel my face.

[Harry Hamlin]

Your nose was. Was numb. And you thought maybe you'd done a lot of cocaine or something.

[Lisa Rinna]

I didn't, though, because I don't do cocaine. But my nose was so numb. And then I had this really sour, metallic taste in my mouth. And it was. I just felt awful. And I was like, okay, you know what? I'm not gonna do this anymore.

[Harry Hamlin]

But that's not the weirdest thing. The weirdest thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, So I don't know. They're all pretty weird.

[Harry Hamlin]

We go and we look at all the side effects, all the things that can happen if. When you're going through withdrawals from a drug like Halcyon.

[Lisa Rinna]

Halcyon.

[Harry Hamlin]

So they list all these different things. You get headaches. You get memory loss. Memory loss. All these different weird things that happen. Cravings, then it says cravings. And also irritability. A little ocd.

[Lisa Rinna]

Ocd.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I come in the kitchen the other day, and you're up on the kitchen counter on your hands and knees, and you're reaching up to wipe the top of the thing that holds the pots and pans, and the top of it is 8ft up in the air, and nobody ever looks at the top of that. And yet somehow you're obsessed with cleaning the top of that thing. That rack.

[Lisa Rinna]

I cleaned every single top of every single frame in the house.

[Harry Hamlin]

And painting, I filmed it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because I've never seen you do that before was insane. I had to clean. And by the way, it was black because of the fires. That's what's so gross.

[Harry Hamlin]

Maybe there was a lot of smoke in the air, but. Yeah, so they needed cleaning, but, man, you were on fire that day.

[Lisa Rinna]

Correct.

[Harry Hamlin]

And so then. And then that. Not to add insult, I come into the kitchen the next day, and what do I see on the kitchen counter that I have never, ever, ever seen before in our house, but a big box of Ding Dongs. Okay. And so, I mean, Ding Dongs. What are the Ding Dongs doing in our house? You want to explain that, please?

[Lisa Rinna]

You would think that I would order on Postmates groceries all the time. You just think I would. But I so enjoy going to the grocery store. Right? I love to go to the grocery store, which.

[Harry Hamlin]

No. What? What?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, you can order your groceries online and they deliver them. You know that.

[Harry Hamlin]

You love to go to the grocery store.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I love to go to the grocery store.

[Harry Hamlin]

Which grocery store? Only one grocery store.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I like to go. I like to go to Gelson's. And Erewhon. And Bristol Farms.

[Harry Hamlin]

And Bristol Farms. Yeah. The three most expensive markets.

[Lisa Rinna]

I won't go to Ralph. In the world.

[Harry Hamlin]

Not just in la, but in the world.

[Lisa Rinna]

I won't go to Ralph's. That's what you do. But I was skimming on my postmates and I saw that you could order from Pavilions. Like, I wanted a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, and so I needed bread. Cause we had no bread. I needed some new jam. And then as I'm scrolling, I see Ding Dongs and I go, I gotta get some Ding Dongs. That's in my crazy halcyon withdrawal whatever. Because I would normally not do that.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, normally. We haven't had peanut butter and jelly sandwich in our house since the kids were there. Since the kids were there. And we've never, ever, ever, Even when the kids were there, had Ding Dongs in the house.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. We did have snowballs. And we did have Twinkies, though. I used to give them.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think I remember a Twinkie one, but I don't know.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know what a snowball is?

[Harry Hamlin]

I do not know what a snowball is.

[Lisa Rinna]

It is pink coconut ball thing that is delicious with cake inside.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, yeah. Well, I do recall you're biting into a Ding Dong and you went, mmm, mmm. And then you said, mm, it could have more cream in it.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's exactly what I said. And what was very disappointing to me, though, is they used to wrap them in foil and you would open it up and you'd unwrap your foil. It doesn't come in foil anymore. It comes in plastic. And that was very disconcerting to me.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So they've taken some cream out, which I like, a little more cream. And I miss the foil wrapping. So I ate at least six of them. Three one night, three the next night. I have had at least three peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

[Harry Hamlin]

And the house is cleaner than a whistle house, by the way. The house looks fantastic. You've been going around.

[Lisa Rinna]

Listen, you maybe want me to be this crazed more often.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because I've had to wear a flak jacket.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, really, for everybody. Anyway, they're clean as a whistle now. Every single frame.

[Harry Hamlin]

How are you feeling today, by the way, about you? How's your. Your withdrawal going?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, it's better. It's so 1415. This is day 16 of my Halcyon withdrawal. You know, I talked to my gp, which is my doctor, and she was trying to help me figure out. We did a Whole blood panel. And she called me and she goes, you know, you're great.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, I looked at your blood panel. It was perfect.

[Lisa Rinna]

I look really good. But then I said to her, well, I'm gonna come clean. I think this is what it is. And remember, I was talking to her, and I go, well, I took the Halcyon for at least four weeks.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, that's right. She was on speakerphone. She went, oh, my God, Lisa. You didn't really.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did she not go, oh, my God, Lisa?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yes, she did.

[Lisa Rinna]

You must feel horrific. I can't believe that you're going through this. It's awful. It's the worst thing you can go through.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, cautionary tale out there, don't take these drugs on an ongoing basis, because you will have to suffer through weeks of withdrawal if you do.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, especially Halcyon. I mean, this has been.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you kind of can empathize with a drug addict who's going through withdrawal now.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, I can. And I can see why they take. They get back right on the drug, because when you feel that shitty, you're like, oh, I don't want to feel this shitty.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you take the drug again right now.

[Lisa Rinna]

I understand rebound. I understand all of it. Yeah, it's been rough, but it's getting better.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember telling our kids when they were growing up, and when the conversation about drugs first started to percolate in the household, and this started with Dimitri, my son, who's now 45, I said to him, you know, I know. You know, everybody experiments with drugs when they grow, are growing up. I did. Everybody did, you know, never did any opiates, but, you know, there are other things out there that, you know, could be kind of played with when you're.

[Lisa Rinna]

You took acid. You took a cute few times. Right?

[Harry Hamlin]

We don't need to go quite there, but why not?

[Lisa Rinna]

It's okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

That was. That was the story of my becoming an actor when I. When the hell's angel popped some. Something in my mouth, which is. That's another story. And I'll tell that story.

[Lisa Rinna]

Was that his fault or. No, I mean, you took it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, He's. I was. I was popped in your mouth, but.

[Lisa Rinna]

You didn't say no.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, he said, open wide, and he flung it in my mouth. And. Yeah, anyway, so. But what's I saying? So I was. I was talking about what I said to the kids. That's what you're talking about. I was talking about what. How I. The. The cautionary tale.

[Lisa Rinna]

We were talking about Dmitry and the.

[Harry Hamlin]

Kids, and I Said, listen, you know, you're gonna experiment with drugs. I said to the girls, too, if I find out that you're taking heroin or addicted to opiates, I said, I'm sorry, I'm just gonna come and kill you.

[Lisa Rinna]

I remember you saying this, you know.

[Harry Hamlin]

I said, because that'll be. That'll be me loving you to death.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

At that moment, that is a parenting total tough love. But I said, if you. Because I've seen people who were addicted. My roommates. Both of my roommates in college were addicted to heroin. Were heroin addicts.

[Lisa Rinna]

Were they. Did they act worse than I was when I was in my OCD halcyon?

[Harry Hamlin]

I never saw them in withdrawals. They always maintained their addiction.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did they nod out? Because I always thought heroin addicts are.

[Harry Hamlin]

Always like, yeah, they were nodding out all the time. Yeah. And, you know, when they would take. They'd shoot up and they would be really loving. Once they shut up, they go, oh, Harry, God, we love you so. You're such a great guy. I loved when they were high on. On opiates because they were so nice. But then they'd come down and they were regular again. But. Yeah, but the whole idea of using opiates and when you're raising kids and you're. You know that there's a minefield out drugs and how they're going to experiment and da, da, da, da. You go, well, yeah, okay. I get like, molly or weed or mushrooms or whatever, but heroin, you don't come back from heroin. Once you do heroin, you're done. And it's like. So I made it very clear to all the kids that if they did it, I would find them and just kill them.

[Lisa Rinna]

Kill them. Yeah. We have some very, very interesting parenting advice and tips, and I think that the audience is really going to get some value out of our par.

[Harry Hamlin]

Your children.

[Lisa Rinna]

I also remember. You're making me remember when, you know, the kids were in junior high, high school and, you know, the phones and social media were just happening and the kids were, like, sending naked pictures to each other.

[Harry Hamlin]

Our kids were sending.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, but they were sending them, like, at school, like, it was a thing.

[Harry Hamlin]

I read about this when people. What's it called when you're sexting somebody or something like that?

[Lisa Rinna]

The kids were starting to do that. And I remember going to, like, a. A home room meeting or whatever, like a nighttime thing. You go, what do you call that? Open house, parent teacher conference, whatever. And I remember the, like, they had an expert come up and talk to us about it. And I went home and I said to the girls, listen, if you. I know you're going to be tempted because everyone is doing it and you're going to feel peer pressure, but if you send naked pictures, they are forever. And it will ruin your fucking life and you won't get into college and your life will be over. So I didn't say I would come kill them, but I basically said if you do that, you will be.

[Harry Hamlin]

But I get it. But think of the mixed messages. They look at Kim Kardashian, they look at Paris Hilton, they look at whomever and they go, because of the sex tapes, these guys had huge careers.

[Lisa Rinna]

Look, they're billionaires because of the sex tapes. Well, isn't that sex tape?

[Harry Hamlin]

That's how they started.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I don't. I can't speak of that. I mean, I know there was such a thing, but, you know, I don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're telling them that their career will be over, their life will be over. If they sex tape. If they.

[Lisa Rinna]

If they sex tape, they won't get into college and their life will be over.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then they see these other people who have gigantic billion dollar careers who started by basically doing that.

[Lisa Rinna]

So how did we keep them from doing it? Because guess what? We did.

[Harry Hamlin]

No. So they haven't done it yet?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, not yet, but now they just do it in public, I mean.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well. Well, that's true, I guess.

[Lisa Rinna]

Amelia just walked to walk to the D Squared fashion show, basically naked.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, she. That seems to be her signature, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. But here's the thing. Think about it. I pose nude pregnant, and then I pose nude again. So your mom does it, and your dad does love scenes with people completely naked. How do you not go, oh, well, my parents did it. Why can't we do it? We have a lot of mixed messaging going on, Harry.

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess there's something like that happening. Yeah. But nevertheless, regardless of all the mixed messages, they've turned out great.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, I gotta say, I'm so, so happy of the way our kids are handling.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's remarkable, isn't it? It's truly remarkable. You know, we always joke and say the bar's really low, that, you know, they didn't go to jail, they never were arrested, and they didn't die. So that's a pretty low bar. It's a really low bar.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, I went to jail.

[Lisa Rinna]

I forget why. You went to jail twice for pot.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. You know, I've never liked weed. I've never really smoked it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. So why, why that?

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't remember buying weed ever in my life.

[Lisa Rinna]

But wasn't that like a thing in the 70s? Like you just smoked weed?

[Harry Hamlin]

People had. People had lids. A lid was an ounce of pot. You one of those. In those days you could smoke the whole fucking thing and not get high, you know, or get only a little bit high. It was $10 for a lid.

[Lisa Rinna]

How much was a lid like that, an ounce?

[Harry Hamlin]

It was an ounce. Yeah. It was like a baggie.

[Lisa Rinna]

But it's illegal if you got caught with it, right?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. You go to jail if you got caught. Well, I never, I didn't smoke it much. I mean, once in a while when I was in college, but I wasn't a pothead.

[Lisa Rinna]

When you weren't taking acid.

[Harry Hamlin]

Exactly. In between acid trips. But every time, every time I was around anybody or around weed around anybody who had, I was arrested along with them or for some reason.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, since on the beach you were arrested.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was arrested for sleeping on the beach in the Hamptons. And then they found the cops found a roach in the sand and they arrested all of us and threw us in jail. But I was also arrested in, in San Francisco at the San Francisco Airport when an upperclassman at my fraternity house had given me some pills to take to USC during exam period. These were speed to give to people to say, wake so they could do their exams. And I got. The cops found it, the stuff in my guitar case, and arrested me for possession of narcotics for sale. Oh, I was, I was, I was looking at a three year sentence in the penitentiary. That's another story altogether. When we have time, I'll tell that story. But yeah, so yeah, and then I was arrested a third time in Hawaii three for walking on the beach with a friend of mine. Was walking 30ft away, smoking a joint. I was down by the water, looking at the water, water. And he got arrested. And since I was with him, I got arrested too.

[Lisa Rinna]

I did not know it was three times.

[Harry Hamlin]

Three times. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, well, I have not been arrested one time. Not once.

[Harry Hamlin]

You get arrested three times for drugs, everybody thinks you must be a drug addict. Well, I don't remember ever even buying.

[Lisa Rinna]

Drugs after these podcasts for sure they're gonna think we are full on drug addicts, you and me both, by the way. So let's just.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we're stone cold sober.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, well, yeah, that's all right. Three times.

[Harry Hamlin]

Three times. That's right. Every time I went to jail, all three times I did went to jail. The first time I spent A good deal of time in jail. Like 18 days or something like that. What, for that pot for the first time?

[Lisa Rinna]

Would no one come get you out?

[Harry Hamlin]

No. Your parents just leave you there? I was ultimately sentenced to that, but I was arrested and thrown in jail. And then my parents wanted nothing to do with that. I called them and said, I got arrested. And they said, oh, that's too bad.

[Lisa Rinna]

And they didn't do a thing.

[Harry Hamlin]

They didn't do a thing? No. I had to a lawyer. My girlfriend was running around the courthouse in the morning after I was arrested. I was being arraigned, and she was saying, is there anybody in the courthouse? I need a lawyer. I need a lawyer. And it just so happened that the most successful famous drug lawyer in San Francisco heard her and took my case on pro bono. His name was Michael Stepanion. He was also David Crosby's lawyer from Crosby, Stills, and Nash, and he took me on.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Anyway, it's a long, interesting story.

[Lisa Rinna]

Is this in the book?

[Harry Hamlin]

It's in the book.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. It's too long a story to tell right now.

[Lisa Rinna]

All right, well, we're on a drug roll, so we might as well just keep going. I mean, wow. I had no idea. I've not been arrested. No dui. No DUI for you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course not.

[Lisa Rinna]

No DUI for the kids.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

God, yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. So, yeah, it's a cautionary tale, what you've been going through.

[Lisa Rinna]

We are cautionary tales, everyone. Right now, right here.

[Harry Hamlin]

But somehow we're still vertical when we want to be, horizontal when we want to be. You know, we've stayed out of jail for years and years.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you. I have. You not so much, but you have stayed out for a lot of years now that you're.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm a good boy.

[Lisa Rinna]

You are a good boy. Definitely are a good boy.

[Harry Hamlin]

So what are we doing, Eve?

[D]

Yeah, let's spin the wheel. I think it's been a sec since we've done this.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, let's spin the wheel.

[D]

So for anyone who's just tuning in for the first time, this is a wheel of topics that Harry sent me, and I'm just gonna spin it, and then Lisa and Harry are gonna riff on it for a little bit, and.

[Lisa Rinna]

You guys call in and leave us voicemails because we want to answer your questions. It's so fun.

[D]

Yes, please leave more voicemails. The link is in the show notes. Okay, I'm gonna spin the wheel.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay.

[D]

Okay, we got it. So today's prompt is, would you be. Or are you an organ? Donor.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, I think I am an organ. Are you an organ donor?

[Lisa Rinna]

I believe I am an organ donor. And if I'm not, I should be. Yeah, I think so.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's a little macabre.

[Lisa Rinna]

Except I wouldn't do it right now. Not with this. Organs. Not with these organs. On the Halcyon. The Halcyon ride. I think I would. Would put it in the notes. Like, don't take them right now. Take them in a month or so.

[Harry Hamlin]

I wonder if that happens. I wonder if, like, you got in a car accident today. God forbid they take your organs tonight and they put them into somebody tomorrow, if that person's gonna go through withdrawals, you know?

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, that is a horrible thought. I don't wish this on anybody. I really don't. I don't wish this on anybody. No, I don't.

[Harry Hamlin]

No.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, organs.

[Harry Hamlin]

So are you. Are you think you are.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think so.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's on our driver's license, isn't it? It.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

Look at my driver's license. Wouldn't it say I'm an organ donor if I am?

[Lisa Rinna]

I think it's in my. You know. What, in your will? In your directive?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, that's a different thing. This is. This is in your driver's license. When. Okay, so I got my driver.

[Lisa Rinna]

I always felt nervous, like, actually making the choice, you know?

[Harry Hamlin]

So I don't know if mine is. Wouldn't it say on here and none.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's so macabre, what we're talking about right now. Yeah, I would say, don't take mine right now. Don't take the organs right now.

[Harry Hamlin]

No restrictions. No restrictions, no endorsements. But I'm sure I'm an organ donor.

[Lisa Rinna]

Can I show you something while we're at it?

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait a minute. What does this little thing say here? It says donor on it right there. There it is, you see a little round red thing. It says donor. So. Because why are you here? I do not recognize those genes. True.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm bringing it back after Timothee Chalamet wore them. Remember? True Religion? We sold them in the store.

[Harry Hamlin]

You gotta get the microphone. Microphone.

[Lisa Rinna]

True Religion jeans. They were the hottest thing on the planet 15 years ago.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember. We had them in our store, True Religion. Are they still in business? True Religion?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, yes, they are. And I believe they're coming back because Timothee Chalamet just wore them and I copied him.

[Harry Hamlin]

Where's the connection between organ donor and true religion? Just curious.

[Lisa Rinna]

There isn't any. I just wanted to, like, what the fuck? I don't know, you were talking about it, trying to find it, and I was like, oh, wait a minute. Look at my genes. Have you not seen how I have a split personality at times? And I talk about a lot of different things at once. I mean, I married that.

[Harry Hamlin]

I married the split personality. Which personality am I married to?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, right now, it's a tricky one. It's an OCD one. Okay, let's look at mine and see.

[Harry Hamlin]

If I. I'm a donor. It's a little kind of orange thing in the model. I can barely read it, but it says donor.

[Lisa Rinna]

So let's see.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I mean, I am too.

[Lisa Rinna]

I am too. Donor.

[Harry Hamlin]

All right, so whatever you do, people, if we get in an accident on the way home, do not use her organs.

[Lisa Rinna]

Not for a while.

[D]

Give it a week.

[Lisa Rinna]

We don't know. It could take a while.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, well, anyway, yeah, so we're donors. And that settles that.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that settles that. And I'm bringing true religion back. Me and Timothy Chalamet.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. What? So where did Timothy Chalamet wear these?

[Lisa Rinna]

He wore them on a red carpet somewhere.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you noticed this or did somebody say, oh, those are true religion.

[Lisa Rinna]

I notice everything.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, God. Really? That's scary. That's really scary.

[Lisa Rinna]

I notice everything.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, okay. Well, I'm gonna be a good boy from now on.

[Lisa Rinna]

I notice everything. And I noticed him wearing the true religions, and I went, I need to do that. And so I did.

[Harry Hamlin]

So did you pull these out of one of those drawers in the house where the jeans have been there for 15, 20 years?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, I bought them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, you.

[Lisa Rinna]

They were online.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, you made a purchase?

[Lisa Rinna]

I did.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, okay. Well, yeah, there you go. More jeans.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Need some more jeans. We need more jeans. That's right. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. Anyway, thanks for watching, everybody. Thanks for checking in.

[Lisa Rinna]

See you next time. Next week.

[Harry Hamlin]

Let's not talk about the husband.

[Lisa Rinna]

Woo. Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[Harry Hamlin]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm harryrhamlin on Instagram.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So see you next week.

[Lisa Rinna]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.